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00:17 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-15#1850574 << I also made a keccak implementation, but it needs some tests to verify it is consistent with the standard and then I should make a gensis vpatch for it
00:17 a111 Logged on 2018-09-15 14:42 asciilifeform: this makes for 2 working keccaks nao, unless i'm forgetting somebody's
00:19 PeterL and I should find a better place to keep my files, currently I have it on github
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00:49 trinque somebody should really write a republican version control system someday
00:49 trinque PeterL, unfuck your head.
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02:07 mircea_popescu "and the rest will follow" ?
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02:50 trinque at least it'd have a chance.
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09:55 mircea_popescu meanwhile in random lulz, "Using slang you didn't come up with isn't a substitute for having a personality. And that's the Internet in a nutshell today: a bunch of vapid morons trying to be cool by parroting phrases back and forth to each other. It's meme language, and just like people use memes as a substitute for their inability to tell a joke or make a cogent statement, people use this type of language to seem hip-adjacent
09:55 mircea_popescu . You're not hip, and you're hoping desperately that nobody notices."
09:56 mircea_popescu internet "of today" runs into internet of 1990s : maddox saying "the obvious" that "nobody wants to hear", inexplicably enough nobody gives a shit.
09:57 mircea_popescu ah if only it were 1998 again, how bien trouve shit like "hip-adjacent" would catch wings and fly! what a "dank meme" it'd have been, back before they had a word for it.
10:02 mircea_popescu meanwhile in alt coins, "Super Male Vitality is the result of ancient wisdom reinterpreted over several years in the light of modern equipment and analysis."
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11:02 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=12 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log - 9/02/2018
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11:39 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850437 -> following on from this, I had a look in more detail at the code for gnat.sockets; my conclusion is that gnat.sockets has as main contribution the streams + forcing the weird dance with types; underlying gnat.sockets is the "thin layer" that essentially wraps the system's C functions for sockets
11:39 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 16:48 diana_coman: I certainly have to consider that option too if all that gnat.sockets buys me is some bloat + streams
11:39 diana_coman while initially I considered using this thin layer, on a deeper look at it, I don't like it; here is the code of it: https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__ads.htm and https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__adb.htm
11:40 diana_coman moreover, the thin layer is in principle internal to gnat.sockets so it's not even meant to be directly used from outside (compiler will throw a warning though nothing worse than that afaik)
11:41 diana_coman overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
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11:42 diana_coman for lulz from the above code: -- Return highest numbered socket (what does this refer to???)
11:47 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/best-in-the-world/ << Trilema - Best in the world!
11:47 mircea_popescu diana_coman would this be written in ada then ?
11:48 diana_coman mircea_popescu, it would still wrap recv and send at the very least
11:48 mircea_popescu more specifically : what exactly is the limit of the "c-ness" of the system calls ? can we pretend they're ada system calls until they are ?
11:51 diana_coman I don't know what an "ada system call" is, to answer that question; my aim is indeed to wrap them in one place so that everything else makes ada calls and doesn't care
11:51 mircea_popescu "According to POSIX.1-2001, the msg_controllen field of the msghdr structure should be typed as socklen_t, but glibc currently types it as size_t. " and other joys of the c world.
11:52 mircea_popescu half the fucxking manual on recv deals with a) spurious extra prototypes and b) data size definition soup.
11:52 diana_coman myeah; I did not even pretend I *like* to have to do this
11:52 mircea_popescu diana_coman but would the wrapper be c or ada ?
11:52 diana_coman how would it be c??
11:53 diana_coman or why, lol
11:53 diana_coman if it's c, there's no need for a wrapper
11:53 mircea_popescu why i dunno ; how however -- gnat will compile c.
11:53 diana_coman sure, but what's the point in wrapping a c call in more c code, I'm not sure I follow what you have in mind
11:54 mircea_popescu are you going to write an ada program to treat c-defined syscalls as black boxes and spit out ada acceptable output ; opr are you going to write a c program to treat c-defined syscalls as compatriots and spit out ada acceptable output ?
11:54 mircea_popescu i'm just checking things!
11:54 diana_coman first
11:55 mircea_popescu how are you going to handle the weird data models implied by teh nutty syscalls in an ada proggy ?
11:55 diana_coman as I dig into them deeper, I shall know! lol
11:55 mircea_popescu lol ok.
11:55 diana_coman if I knew all that, it'd be ...ready
11:56 diana_coman not like typing takes a lot of time
11:56 mircea_popescu alrighty.
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12:17 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other lulz, the middle english word for "raise awareness" would be... animadverting.
12:17 mircea_popescu strangely enough disused, seeing how it's shorter.
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12:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850630 << i spend past day cleaning up mine, but not quite done yet
12:32 a111 Logged on 2018-09-16 15:41 diana_coman: overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
12:32 asciilifeform diana_coman and mircea_popescu can read and use if they like it, i'ma genesis
12:32 diana_coman asciilifeform, please do
12:33 mircea_popescu certainly.
12:33 asciilifeform it only does udp tho
12:33 mircea_popescu that's quite fortuitous!
12:33 diana_coman atm it's only udp I want to do
12:34 asciilifeform then diana_coman may find it useful, i'ma hurry up & genesis ( realistically tomorrow posted. )
12:35 asciilifeform simple enuff item, has small example harness, and eggog handling
12:35 diana_coman asciilifeform, tomorrow sounds good!
12:35 mircea_popescu honestly, FEWER "this is my fork design" would be way better than more. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/basini-unique.jpg and all that.
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12:35 asciilifeform ok i'ma bbl
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17:43 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2018/best-in-the-world/#comment-126692 << LOL unintentional entertainment
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18:01 mircea_popescu ima install traffic stops in the dungeon.
18:05 BingoBoingo You mean observatory
18:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plox to clarify, is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850668 an arg in favour or against posting $subj
18:05 a111 Logged on 2018-09-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: honestly, FEWER "this is my fork design" would be way better than more. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/basini-unique.jpg and all that.
18:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a++++ ocelot
18:07 * asciilifeform had nfi their face were this level of... round
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18:52 mircea_popescu i mentioned alf to him, his tongue came out
18:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform all for posting $subj, this way minigame can just use it rather than make yet-another-new-one
18:53 asciilifeform aa ok
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20:44 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850424 << Ah, thank you!
20:44 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 16:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
20:45 mod6 !Qcalc 308.28/6745
20:45 lobbesbot mod6: 0.045704966642
20:47 mod6 0.04570496 BTC good asciilifeform ? (I'm using the price point for sept for the calc)
20:52 asciilifeform mod6: worx
20:52 asciilifeform 1s, will cough up invoice
20:53 asciilifeform !!invoice mod6 0.04570496 8 new-gen rk disks + 20 adhesive-backed hedgehogs + s&h
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20:53 asciilifeform !!v FC2D6272E9AF4411FE0E8ABE50E84DA17246A8042AC4D92F4EFD5E76CE380E04
20:53 deedbot Invoiced mod6 0.04570496 << 8 new-gen rk disks + 20 adhesive-backed hedgehogs + s&h
20:55 mod6 Thank you, Sir. I appreciate the invoice.
21:00 asciilifeform mod6: np
21:06 mod6 !!received-invoices
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21:09 mod6 !!pay-invoice asciilifeform 1
21:09 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RCgKB/?raw=true
21:12 mod6 !!v A06C4D8D64F662393218FB552D1D54866648D05485A95F0D169A2F07B05E1A29
21:12 deedbot mod6 paid asciilifeform invoice 1
21:12 asciilifeform ty mod6
21:12 mod6 yw!
21:12 mod6 !!sent-invoices
21:12 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J1wVH/?raw=true
21:13 mod6 !!ledger
21:13 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/s405X/?raw=true
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23:02 PeterL is there a process to get voiced in #pizarro?
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23:24 PeterL !Q later tell bingoboingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KDpD9/?raw=true
23:24 lobbesbot PeterL: The operation succeeded.
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