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← 2018-07-01 | 2018-07-03 → ↓
00:07 trinque ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ggQ4D/?raw=true << getting this error when I run your latest. any idea where I'm going wrong?
00:08 deedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/lobbesbot-autobid-functionality/ << lobbesblog - lobbesbot Autobid Functionality
00:08 deedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ << lobbesblog - Mein Kompendium: mp-wp
00:08 deedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/getting-php56-and-mysql-to-play-nice-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/ << lobbesblog - Getting PHP5.6 and MySql to Play Nice On Arm64 RockChip Gentoo
00:08 deedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/arming-your-arm64-rockchip-gentoo-against-the-hordes-of-mindless-bots/ << lobbesblog - Arming your Arm64 RockChip Gentoo against the hordes of Mindless Bots
00:08 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-01#1831136 << np, done
00:08 a111 Logged on 2018-07-01 20:49 lobbes: incidentally, trinque, next time you're in the boiler room plox to try adding http://blog.lobbesblog.com/feed/ once more
~ 33 minutes ~
00:41 ave1 trinque, The directory for the script needs to absolute, i.e. ./build-ada.sh output --> ./build-ada.sh $PWD/output
00:55 lobbes ty trinque
00:55 lobbes !!v 09AC6E34B044CA0F0C914DB999EFB519BEDF759F53928006903595F9D338F706
00:55 deedbot Invoiced hanbot 0.00011568 << http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt, http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/hanbot.txt, http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2018/q2/hanbot.txt
~ 1 hours 41 minutes ~
02:36 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831260 <- heh, like always; the summaries page looks useful to me
02:36 a111 Logged on 2018-07-02 02:29 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831237 << interesting. seems like implementing the tags wouldn't be hard, but choosing the right ones would be
~ 24 minutes ~
03:01 hanbot !!pay-invoice lobbes 1
03:01 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vww8H/?raw=true
03:01 hanbot !!v E029FB276D7C02F20744282D2A3A4D778E4D14750517FB2B585755D8C5B80A42
03:01 deedbot hanbot paid lobbes invoice 1
03:01 hanbot cheers lobbes, thanks for the service.
~ 5 hours ~
08:02 deedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/075-adalisp-prototype-ii.html << The Tar Pit - The return of the lost son of the father of adalisp, now in a genesis
08:06 spyked dun dun dun
08:07 spyked ^ phf, can you pl0x add this to the btcbase patch list? and http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/trilemabot/ ?
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~ 2 hours 24 minutes ~
10:32 mod6 mornin'
~ 23 minutes ~
10:55 asciilifeform ohai mod6
11:08 mircea_popescu nice spyked
~ 17 minutes ~
11:26 asciilifeform !!up fromloper
11:26 deedbot fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
11:27 asciilifeform fromloper: you're on the air! who might you be ?
11:27 fromloper Curious traveller. Got here by the 'Contact' link on the loperos blog.
11:28 fromloper Currently (re) learning LISP and was simply scouting out places to lurk ;)
11:28 asciilifeform fromloper: i recommend to read the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/
11:28 fromloper Much obliged.
11:30 mircea_popescu fromloper we know that, by your name, you see.
~ 15 minutes ~
11:46 mircea_popescu meanwhile all quiet on the weird front. https://78.media.tumblr.com/c2b692b8132b4cbf2ff59a6ab0c1e4ba/tumblr_p3ivxcMy6N1rwygwno1_1280.jpg
11:49 mod6 heheh
~ 49 minutes ~
12:38 trinque ave1: herp, it even said that. must've been tired. chugging along now, ty
12:38 trinque minor niggle, http://ave1.org/tarpit/readme-2018-06-01.txt has the build script's name backwards
12:50 phf !!key spyked
12:50 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/0x541A976BB5FC4B455D7FBC61BDAE9D051A3D3B95.asc
12:52 mircea_popescu spyked re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/074-adalisp-prototype.html what if anything do you plan to do re memory management ? gc in particular, but not just.
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12:53 mircea_popescu (there's a lot of discussion of this topic in the logs, but to fish one example out of the many : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595771 )
12:53 a111 Logged on 2017-01-03 20:34 mircea_popescu: all three queues to be implemented as ring buffers of user specified size.
12:54 mircea_popescu the notion of "program allocates memory with beginning and end" could very well go away.
12:57 mircea_popescu and what the hell is wrong with "let byte = 1010001101001011010111010111100" producing byte = 01111001, because 10100011/01001011/01011101/0111100
~ 25 minutes ~
13:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plox to expand ?
13:24 mircea_popescu which way ?
13:24 asciilifeform re gc
13:24 mircea_popescu i'm looking for roads into the os. could be from phf's emacs, could be from spyked 's lisp, could be from your arms, could be from whatever the fuck ends up working.
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13:25 mircea_popescu the original "let's unwind it from the FS end" didn't actually turn out capable to carry water, upon discussion.
13:27 asciilifeform there are 3 basic cuts of gc. 1) simplest -- no gc. you cons N times, and you're through. this is actually practical ( see the last coupla gc threads ) for scripting lang, where proggy runs for a coupla seconds, on inputs of known size, etc 2) 'stop & copy'. simplest gc, implemented in 1950s-1970s lisps, and by erry student in school. proggy runs out of space -- stops, finds what is alive and what is dead via refcounting (circular r
13:27 asciilifeform efs forbidden) , copies to new space. aka 'semispace'. 3) errything else. high-tech , complicated, 'multi-generational' gc, with 'nurseries', etc. imho best implemented in iron, and quite difficult to get it right.
13:27 asciilifeform all known approaches to gc , fall into 1 of these 3 cuts.
13:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how about the implict model we kept implicitly discussing, "program can ask for memory chunks, os will treat all writes to allocated memory as mod allocated size".
13:28 asciilifeform this is sorta what you already get in current-day unixen
13:28 asciilifeform (mmap)
13:29 mircea_popescu just about, though seems somewhat unreliable. and no mod.
13:29 asciilifeform as reliable as the iron. and if you want to mod your pointers, you can, writers of e.g. nintendo, etc emulators, do
13:29 mircea_popescu yes, but linux does not.
13:30 mircea_popescu ~the kernel~. not userspace optionality.
13:30 asciilifeform what's the win from auto-wrapping , anyway
13:30 mircea_popescu ada already has very strong bounds ~checks~. but if he's doing a whole adalisp, well...
13:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno, i'm just asking him things. i wasn't trying to wrap some tellings into a pretense to questions.
13:31 asciilifeform i have somewhat difficult time picturing the win from auto-overwriting. 'ooops you brought home 1 too many potatoes, you just overwrite gurl's spleen'
13:31 mircea_popescu because you overwrite ~your~ gurl's spleen, not some other guy's gurl's spleen.
13:32 asciilifeform even on 386 you won't (accidentally) overwrite other-guy's
13:32 asciilifeform far better, to dispense with 'accidental overwritings', period.
13:33 mircea_popescu i dunno, seeing how all the "bug bounties" ever return is "o wait, off by 1, overwrote other guy's girl"
13:33 asciilifeform only when she is kept with the same potatoes.
13:34 asciilifeform ( to carry on the analogy, in x86's retarded memprotections, you can ~spy on cunt~ of neighbour. but not insert into, unless she is kept in your potato cellar. )
13:34 mircea_popescu if this were strictly true, nobody'd know what a bsod is.
13:34 asciilifeform bsods happen in kernelspace.
13:35 asciilifeform ( where there are, for obvious reason, no memory protections etc )
13:35 mircea_popescu these reasons aren't obvious. rings, yes ?
13:35 asciilifeform kernel already runs in (x86ological terminology) ring0
13:35 asciilifeform orig intel's design included intermediate rings 1,2. but microshit never used'em
13:36 mircea_popescu anyway, an adalisp-os could in principle stand down on x86 arch eventually.
13:36 asciilifeform they wrote strictly bicameral thing, '0' (kernel, do whatever to whomever) and '3' (on unix planet, aka userland, process lives in own map)
13:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in principle. in practice, very difficult ( in asciilifeform's understanding, entirely impractical ) to avoid your model being poisoned at the heart by the retardation of the iron ( dma, interrupts, whole orchestra of horrors that prevent anything like effectual isolation of processes , esp in kernel, and -- more insidiously -- prevent sane model of computation even in head )
~ 28 minutes ~
14:05 ben_vulpes lords and ladies, june pizarro statement will be late; my wife is experiencing an all-consuming major depression that will take all of my attention going forward. i am working with mod6 and asciilifeform to ensure continuity at pizarro.
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14:07 mod6 Thank you for the update ben_vulpes. All the best to you and yours.
14:08 asciilifeform sad to hear. duty of commander then falls to mod6 . asciilifeform will take over the sysop duties that ben_vulpes has been volunteering for. the search for treasurer is on.
14:11 mod6 I'll stand in as acting manager for the time being, but now begins the official search for a new pizarro manager. Please let us know if interested in the role.
~ 20 minutes ~
14:31 mod6 One thing that I'd also like to mention regarding the role for pizarro manager: We are looking to de-couple the manager role from the accounting portion. We're really looking for two roles at this moment. One person to handle the accounting role, and another person to handle the day-to-day management.
14:32 mircea_popescu o.O
14:32 mod6 You were disconnected when the news was announced, if you didn't see mircea_popescu .
14:32 mircea_popescu wait a second, this is what, at will employment ? don't even have to put in a full year or w/e, can just walk whenever the fuck it no longer looks pleasant ?
14:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831355 << dude, wake the hell up. you can't quit on a day's notice, what the fuck is this.
14:34 a111 Logged on 2018-07-02 18:05 ben_vulpes: lords and ladies, june pizarro statement will be late; my wife is experiencing an all-consuming major depression that will take all of my attention going forward. i am working with mod6 and asciilifeform to ensure continuity at pizarro.
14:34 mod6 ben_vulpes let us know that he needs to step back due to a family crisis. Not sure what more we can do, it's not ideal, but he's going to be wrapping up the report for June and transfering all of the rest of the information and other things to asciilifeform and myself.
14:34 mircea_popescu mod6 you ever been involved in any sort of multi-person anything where you could walk like that ?
14:35 mircea_popescu and i am including here highschool garage bands, because sure as fuck nobody in employment gets 0day notice.
14:35 mod6 No.
14:35 mircea_popescu so then why are you encouraging it ?
14:35 mod6 Right.
14:35 mod6 I'm not, but I understand that the man needs to help his family.
14:35 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i will do my best to continue supporting pizarro, i won't diappear immediately. but i need to find someone to take over my responsibilities, and i'm going to be stretched very thin.
14:36 mod6 But more over, no, most roles you need to give a months notice or some such thing. It's not my preference, but what can I do?
14:36 mircea_popescu insanity.
14:37 mircea_popescu well... so what are you gonna do, promote in house i suppose ?
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14:38 mod6 Yeah, we're looking for L1, perhaps L2 if there is a good fit.
14:38 mod6 You wanna be manager?
14:38 mircea_popescu i'm a provedly inept manager for pizaroo.
14:38 ben_vulpes i will do as right by pizarro as i can; i will continue to do what i can. i must deliver notice that pizarro needs to find additional help.
14:39 mod6 mircea_popescu: understood. we appreciate your input, however. very much.
14:39 mod6 ben_vulpes: ty
14:39 mircea_popescu what's the delta between what you need and what BingoBoingo can do / has been doing ?
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14:39 mircea_popescu he seems rather reliable to date.
14:40 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so is she walking on you, is the idea ?
14:41 asciilifeform dunno, mircea_popescu is actually quite effective manager, when he's helped with e.g. minutiae of iron. and asciilifeform appreciates his unofficial help to date.
14:41 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: if BingoBoingo can pick up the statements, that shrinks the delta; i've been flailing at transforming btc into amazon-compatible usd for the ssd shipment over the past week, he may be able to assist with that
14:42 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'm spending a bit of time keeping her from walking across a highway, if that counts as "walking on you"
14:43 mircea_popescu better variant thereof, i guess. so travel, best thing for the suicidal.
14:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's an impedance mismatch, sadly. i've not managed anything without extensive and reliable ops orgs in... well basically forever. reason i was an eff expert/consultant rather than manager was specifically that i never liked minding the middle.
14:45 asciilifeform fair
14:45 mircea_popescu i don't mind helping with the unobvious, but exactly what occured will occur again, "omfg, that was so obvious, where is it" sorta problem.
14:51 asciilifeform maeks sense. 'flag vs field officers'
14:53 mod6 BingoBoingo says he's on his way to the interwebs, was out shopping for hot water heaters...
15:00 mircea_popescu what, he gets hot water ?!
15:02 mircea_popescu meanwhile in curb news, https://78.media.tumblr.com/caebcd8f270c2c96873ecf1e06f17a51/tumblr_omgqhw524f1vpx2zho1_500.gif
15:13 mod6 haha.
15:14 mod6 *2
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
16:16 BingoBoingo Lot of news while I was looking for a water heater.
16:27 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831382 << The big thing other than the statements and billing is ben_vulpes has done a lot of work managing the shared hosting machine.
16:27 a111 Logged on 2018-07-02 18:39 mircea_popescu: what's the delta between what you need and what BingoBoingo can do / has been doing ?
16:28 BingoBoingo !!up tim17
16:28 deedbot tim17 voiced for 30 minutes.
16:28 BingoBoingo tim17: What bring you around these parts?
~ 27 minutes ~
16:55 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-01#1831143 << pretty cool, esthlos!
16:55 a111 Logged on 2018-07-01 23:46 deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/trilema-log-reading/ << esthlos - Trilema Log Reading
17:07 BingoBoingo In other news, here's what you get from the local "leaders" in online commerce: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2xinx/?raw=true
17:08 BingoBoingo tldr: I am trying to buy two chairs of a locally ubiquitous style. This vendor advertised a low price. They didn't come during the delivery window... or the next day.
17:09 BingoBoingo Eventually they bitch that I paid paypal (because I want chairs more than leftover paypal-olade from old country)
17:11 BingoBoingo I give it 25% odds I get the chairs tomorrow versus 75% odds I don't get the chairs and they lose their ability to accept paypal
17:25 mod6 spyked: hey! pretty neat-o adalisp here. I tried it out, was able to build. I did get one error in the test.scm, any thoughts? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wXcA6/?raw=true
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17:27 mod6 BingoBoingo: maybe someone can just pay someone via paypal and they can give you fiat?
17:29 BingoBoingo mod6: It is too late for that to offer them any remedy. Through their website they presented an offer. I tendered payment. Either they deliver the fucking chairs or they and paypal suffer.
17:29 mod6 Fair enough, Sir.
17:29 asciilifeform lol i pictured BingoBoingo's flat as a sort of partizan lair, chairs made from ammo crates etc
17:29 mod6 lol.
17:30 mod6 that's a pretty solid interior decorating idea.
17:30 BingoBoingo (Paypal suffers in this scenario because if they fail to deliver the chairs the idiots on this side surely won't blame their own brain damage)
17:30 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> lol i pictured BingoBoingo's flat as a sort of partizan lair, chairs made from ammo crates etc << Eventually.
17:45 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/fbi-busts-ohio-man-for-doing-surveillance-for-fbi/ << Qntra - FBI Busts Ohio Man For Doing Surveillance For FBI
17:45 BingoBoingo ^ In the can't even death ray no moar dept
17:46 asciilifeform 'He seemed to try his FBI handler's patience when he suggested at the last minute that they switch from packing the explosives into remote-control cars and instead use a van.' << lol!!
17:53 BingoBoingo AHA, I knew you'd find that gem
~ 37 minutes ~
18:30 ben_vulpes !!v D1A3E20B77A25846CE47D38CE998C323176774B2494712CC2ED240D510A922AE
18:30 deedbot ben_vulpes paid mats invoice 3
18:34 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831410 << his work in progress parser doesn't handle end of file, so as of right now the error is normal
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18:34 a111 Logged on 2018-07-02 21:25 mod6: spyked: hey! pretty neat-o adalisp here. I tried it out, was able to build. I did get one error in the test.scm, any thoughts? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wXcA6/?raw=true
~ 37 minutes ~
19:12 mod6 phf: ahhh, got it. thanks for the info.
~ 1 hours 9 minutes ~
20:21 * asciilifeform wrapping up a very gnarly ffa surgery, >2x speed boost. thx to ave1 for the gnat clues.
~ 38 minutes ~
21:00 phf asciilifeform: i was using the wrong arch archive, google blessed kernel boots with your user space
21:01 phf oddly, unrelatedly and annoyingly the device reboots when i put it down too hard on the desk. i'm not slamming it, just a bit harder placement, it power cycles...
21:07 mircea_popescu loose screw ?
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21:08 asciilifeform phf: i suspect this is a deliberate google retardation, thing has a gyro
21:09 asciilifeform prolly curable by rebuilding ec fw
21:10 asciilifeform phf: fwiw i put my c101pa in the graveyard for nao, it was massive sink of time with ~0 to show for it
21:18 phf врагу не сдается нашъ гордый варягъ
21:18 asciilifeform что тебе снится, крейсер chromebook
21:24 phf tbh i assumed it was a lost cause around when cr50 was discovered. it's overall a worthwhile direction of exploration since i assume we're still gravitating towards an arm gentoo
21:24 asciilifeform phf: pizarro cluster is running a ( pre-trinqueian, admittedly ) arm64 gentoo even nao
21:24 mircea_popescu meanwhile in practical jewelry, https://78.media.tumblr.com/75bfce53ea94b6e17929a9a5a16d7265/tumblr_oim2ebcr5J1spwl2qo1_1280.jpg
21:27 phf asciilifeform: right, and as far as we know right now cr50 doesn't have a remote/wifi access component. if it can't be wholly removed, maybe it can be "cut" (not necessarily by literally cutting the wire, but the direction of closing the plug hole)
21:28 asciilifeform phf: what plug hole. thing charges from the usbc jacks, cr50 actually drives the charger logic.
21:31 asciilifeform 1st class 'broken glass glue'.
21:32 mircea_popescu honestly, a replacement chareger dongle would be a very good thing.
21:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is approx on par with replacement dog head for hippo.
21:33 mircea_popescu i don't follow
21:33 mircea_popescu this arrangement where "laptop manages its own power" is bullshit.
21:33 mircea_popescu i want my own, wholly separate, universal charger/manager.
21:34 asciilifeform li-ion battery is not mircea_popescu's edison ups , where all you gotta do to charge is apply a voltage. it eats pulse train, with thermometer feedback, etc crapola.
21:34 mircea_popescu ie, exactly the opposite way apple tries to go, with its "proprietary cables" bullshit.
21:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the whole stack has to be broken. if it takes giving up li ion, fine. whatever it takes.
21:35 mircea_popescu no more of this "item manages its own power". it's insanity, and moreover very much of the same feather as "usg manages its own currency"
21:35 mircea_popescu fuck that. worthless sluts go on their kneesd.
21:35 asciilifeform well yes. it is possible to build something like a 1990s lappy. but not really out of ultraminiaturized crapple-style claptrap under microscope.
21:35 asciilifeform one builds it from 0.
21:35 mircea_popescu maybe there's a cut in between. anyway, as a matter of principle -- laptop may not manage its own power.
21:37 asciilifeform i dun disagree with the 'no own power' thing, if i were designing a lappy i'd make it something like a https://archive.li/SAqOz , separate box for battery etc.
21:37 mircea_popescu and along these lines, i'll dispute your ~0 to show for it. there's two classes of (very important!) things to show for it. one class is that now when i tell amstan he's the repugnant son of a stupid whore, there's loglines backing it up ; and when we discuss google as an instrument of evil, also.
21:38 asciilifeform we already knew what google is, lol
21:38 asciilifeform but otherwise sure.
21:38 mircea_popescu obviousaly this was never ~needed~, but then again oil deposits were not ~needed~ either. yet in its wisdom mother nature has provided.
21:38 mircea_popescu the other class, is that specific statements, such as the above, "item may not manage its own power" had opportunity to be stated.
21:38 asciilifeform right
21:38 mircea_popescu this, again, not needed, in the sense "obvious". yet, there they are, same deal.
21:39 mircea_popescu now, i believe if you say we ate all the cheese that was in that trap, no further point in fucking with it.
21:39 mircea_popescu but i don't believe you when you say there was no cheese.
21:39 asciilifeform can't even be 100% sure of this. prolly doomed to come back to it at some point.
21:39 asciilifeform but asciilifeform has massively backed up conveyor of urgent matter.
21:39 mircea_popescu i would certainly not mind a "fuck you -- power control replacement" item just for the fuckshow of it.
21:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did describe a theoretical 'bake pad-for-pad replacement for cr50' variant.
21:40 asciilifeform would need somebody to xray the pcb, and map the pads.
21:40 asciilifeform possibly worth doing, if the hands can be found.
21:40 mircea_popescu hey, i have a dime out or w/e waiting for a guy who's gonna do it this month cuz prev month was busy or w/e.
21:41 asciilifeform lol
21:41 mircea_popescu it's what it is.
21:44 asciilifeform and naturally, ftr if http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829605 ever gets burned, insta-cure.
21:44 a111 Logged on 2018-06-26 02:49 asciilifeform: ftr : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829540 >>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBB714BB058A1C4E7038551D7311FD597B374E3EDAB9984D7D0A9470E9E1A804 ;
21:45 mircea_popescu right.
21:45 * asciilifeform extracted all 3 magickeyz, they are in the l0gz
21:45 mircea_popescu ie, just because you didn't get almond puree doesn't mean you weren't served desert.
21:46 asciilifeform similar story to the amd keys thing.
~ 17 minutes ~
22:03 phf asciilifeform: are there screws under the pads on that thing?
22:03 asciilifeform phf: yes
22:03 asciilifeform phf: 3 out of 4 of'em have chassis screws
22:05 asciilifeform phf: if you're about to spudge it open, lift the kbd slowly, i tore the touchpad hirosi connctr straight off the pcb in mine
22:05 mircea_popescu alf is used to DC level couplings lol
22:06 asciilifeform ( and it dun solder back on, comes off right with the tracks , bestest chinesium )
22:06 mircea_popescu WHERE IS MY ELECTRONICS HAMMER!!! NOT THAT ONE, TOO LIGHT. THE HEAVY ONE!
22:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763925 << oblig
22:06 a111 Logged on 2018-01-04 17:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'целый день пилили и рубили -- не смогли компьютер починить...' (tm)(r)( asciilifeform's brother )
22:06 mircea_popescu heh
22:09 phf like most chinatech this thing looks good only before you start touching it with a screw driver :/
22:09 mircea_popescu confucius sez no screw while driving plz.
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