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00:00 mircea_popescu anyone srsly thought anything but the usg is keeping the prices high ?
00:00 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: From that link: "Jo Ann Hardesty Says She’s the Angry Black Woman Portland City Council Needs. We Agree."
00:00 mircea_popescu governments, the bigest draw on consumers since the invention of consuming.
00:03 BingoBoingo It's an agricultural product. Business seems to draw the "money while you sleep" crowd
00:03 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: oh i suggest you go look into hardesty
00:04 ben_vulpes the lulz are so very thick
00:05 ben_vulpes anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
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00:06 ben_vulpes and yeah farmers get rekt and bankers book it; story of the ages.
00:08 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, borrowing against the future dun work. what, then get the usg to "stockpile" it like sugar/corn ?
00:08 mircea_popescu and then what, base the currency on the piles of thc ?
00:09 BingoBoingo I imagine if you are in Oregon the winning move is to export
00:10 mircea_popescu outside of the imperial racket supporting it, ganja is worth exactly the same as usg's "intellectual property" or usg's "real estate" : ~0.
00:10 ben_vulpes it's entirely saleable as an input to industrial processes in precisely the same manner as nicotine is sprayed on cigarettes
00:10 ben_vulpes just, not at the prices the farmers want.
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00:10 mircea_popescu exactly.
00:11 ben_vulpes and so the bankers will call on margin again and again as the marktomarket value descends.
00:12 trinque the bluehairs thought legal weed meant they were going to get to smoke weed all day.
00:12 trinque this being the reason anyone ever dealt weed: to have a ton of weed around
00:12 ben_vulpes it'll take a decade but there will be a securitizable asset here, just like pork bellies. only nobody stateside even wants to contemplate the notion because it runs so contrary to their self delusions and delusions of special "girl scout cookie" product burn away
00:13 BingoBoingo Well, trinque They might be able to smoke it all day as price goes in the direction it does for robust agricultural commodities
00:15 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, i can't follow your logic. how do you explain eg cowrie shells not being a "securitizable asset" by this same logic ?
00:15 mircea_popescu just because some rasta brains thought "cowrie shells are like, cool! and shit... man" dun mean jack.
00:22 mircea_popescu understand the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a) the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals that eat the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist to produce. there's three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in the discount bin at the cheap st
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00:22 mircea_popescu ore.
00:23 mircea_popescu an acre of land can produce either ONE pig belly or else about half the bud all of san francisco smoked this month.
00:23 mircea_popescu and yes, it's 80 dollars either way.
00:24 hanbot mircea_popescu half the bud all of san francisco lost might not be half the bud san francisco (bought and then) misplaced this month...
00:24 mircea_popescu of course it isn't.
00:24 hanbot er, half the bud it smoked.
00:24 mircea_popescu they suck at everything equally, if they manage to actually inhale 10% i count it a good month.
00:27 BingoBoingo Despite wed having been legal in Uruguay since the Dictatorship legalized consumption in 1973, the Uruguayos still import from Paraguay
00:27 BingoBoingo And the Uruguayos hate being reminded that the Dictatorship gave them their legal weed. Frente Amplia keeps trying to spam that it was their idea.
00:27 mircea_popescu in other similar news : a) prostitution is legal here ; b) lazier, more disinterested in work "working" girls you never did see.
00:28 mircea_popescu turns out that if it's not illegal, it's not really all that demanded, either.
00:29 * hanbot waits for the "illegalize it" wall scrawls
00:29 mircea_popescu lol
00:30 mircea_popescu not likely gonna happen, it doesn't occur to anyone to "make sugar illegal" to bring back dat cookie jar feelin'
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00:52 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: granted, it's a single level of biorefinement, but it's a 'lithium' for the folks who refuse to take their ballas-prescribed sedatives, preferring for whatever reason, the "natural stuff". i'm not saying it's not a pink-sheet securitizable, but that standards for the commoditized (and inevitably, securitized) product (thus and such cbd, that and so thc, viscosities of whatever, optical
00:52 ben_vulpes characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
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00:53 mircea_popescu in principle. but in practice, if nobody cares, nobody cares.
00:53 mircea_popescu cryptography is not securitizable for the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
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00:53 ben_vulpes how theoretically wouldja securitize cryptography
00:54 ben_vulpes pot at least has yet to achieve full starbuxxification; and that industrial value-extractor-from-american-moocows will want standardized, homogeneous psychoactive product to spray atop its flavor-of-the-week flower imitation
00:55 mircea_popescu by making it secure.
00:55 mircea_popescu what do you suppose "securitization" is, economically ?
00:56 ben_vulpes refinement and aggregation of physical items into fungible paper
00:56 mircea_popescu there's a reason oil refinery doesn't encounter the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812485 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812816 problem.
00:56 a111 Logged on 2018-05-11 20:37 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, if you think m3 ~screw~ is impossible to find in shops here -- try a ~tap~. one time asciilifeform broke a m3 tap and wanted a replacement quickly, and like complete idiot tried to buy ~in shops~. result : wasted weekend )
00:56 a111 Logged on 2018-05-12 21:57 mod6: We need exactly that, but something that yields an actual working box. I was unaware that since apparently last year, the wreckers junked us.
00:57 mircea_popescu and that reason is... that the supply was made secure.
00:57 mircea_popescu this is the other end of this same rifle barrel, you understand. we're indignant "shitgnomes, shitgnomes EVERYWHERE!!!", but meanwhile people in industry have to jump through flaming fucking hoops to keep the supply lines in working order. and they do. and they get good at it, and are slightly amused at the entitled neckbeards.
00:58 ben_vulpes (imagine living with a foot in both worlds)
00:58 mircea_popescu "what do you mean, if shit only fucking worked and idiots kept their mouth shut and their gefingerpokers in their buttholes heh-heh-heh"
01:01 ben_vulpes perhaps i misunderstand, but when i think "securitized" i think "brent" and the forsakeofargument "bvulpes reserve-grade distillate", which anyone can produce from flower if their heads are screwed on with more than 2 threads
01:02 mircea_popescu your problem is that you're trying "to guess what the word could mean" by "the context". whereas what the word actually means is a lengthy historical story very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-02#1786791
01:02 a111 Logged on 2018-03-02 18:21 mircea_popescu: JUST SO, the bank ~sold~ people bills to itself. if you pay the bank $5, you get in exchange... a bill for $5, that you can give to the bank, as if the bank had sat in your restaurant and ate $5 worth.
01:03 ben_vulpes i will take this rebuke and mull it over with my kindleberger
01:03 mircea_popescu anyway, in the general : much like to say that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" is exactly like saying "the emperor got his crown from the pope -- not the other way around" ie, "pantsuit is the sovereign", just EXACTLY so saying "be liberal in what you accept" is exactly saying "you're not worth two shits".
01:04 mircea_popescu the refinery isn't "liberal in what it accepts" -- on the fucking contrary, everything around it changes to provide it with the ~exact~ expected item.
01:04 mircea_popescu the "robustness" principle is, properly speaking, the "computers are unimportant" principle.
01:07 mircea_popescu and following this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
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11:21 mod6 mornin TMSR~
11:22 mod6 I did get one of the boxes installed so far with 4.9.4 GCC from an old stage3. Interestingly the stage3 from 2015 was too old (was complaining about EAPI things), but my other old stage3 from 20170316 was still ok.
11:22 mod6 Now, just gotta do this again with the 2nd box.
11:23 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/05/pantsuit-unicef-humanitarian-caught-buggering-street-kids/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Unicef "Humanitarian" Caught Buggering Street Kids
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11:48 BingoBoingo mod6: Nice
11:49 mod6 ty. it basically is pure luck the old one worked. it won't work forever either.
11:50 mod6 soon the only bridge will be the 6->5->4 ben_vulpes dance. (until cuntoo)
11:50 asciilifeform ohai mod6
11:50 mod6 mornin' asciilifeform
11:51 asciilifeform mod6: if you still feel like experimenting , i'ma bet stage3-amd64-20161219.tar.bz2 ( the amd64 version of the arm64 stage3 i built the rockchip pilot plant image from ) will work 100%
11:52 asciilifeform without any 6->5->4 massage.
11:53 mod6 ah. if you built the rockchips with that, i bet it would then, ya. yesterday, i was wondering which old one you must hvae used.
11:53 asciilifeform mod6: it is discussed in the comments under http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295
11:53 asciilifeform ( specifically one of my replies, dated apr 25 )
11:53 mod6 ah, crud, must have missed that
11:53 asciilifeform and it represents the most recent asciilifeform-baked gentoo
11:54 asciilifeform ( iirc gentoo on dulap -- and then as supplied to s.mg -- was baked from a stage4 of same vintage )
11:55 mod6 ahh. part of the whole thing is, even after all this time, im still pretty non-clued on the whole portage usage. i guess, one-adventure-at-a-time, im learning more.
11:55 mod6 i really need to wrap my head around some of this stuff; no excuses.
12:04 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812908 << i suspect possible case of 'never say never'; in usa there are traders in... whiskey securities; and 'arbitrary names' abound (scotch, bourbon, etc) ; possible that in e.g. californistan , old man ethyl will give way to the green leaf as 'primary dope' and same agricultural-financial mechanics will apply to the new as did to the old
12:04 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 05:07 mircea_popescu: and following this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
12:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812870 << continuing with this, observe that obtaining alcohol is considerably simpler than prime pig or even 'californirast grade' pot ; and yet there is such a thing as a 200 $ bottle of whiskey
12:05 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 04:22 mircea_popescu: understand the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a) the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals that eat the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist to produce. there's three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in the discount bin at the cheap st
12:06 asciilifeform there's a sufficiently heavy admixture of veblenism , to make engineer-style pronouncement of 'of course you need three acres and three years, and nobody's making more acres or more years' -- questionable
12:08 asciilifeform that being said, afaik folx-with-money in usa prefer whiskey bottle, rather than 'joint' ; but this could change, already recent piles of printolade are distributed in the west, to 'joint' folx, in preference of east cost whiskeyists.
12:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
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12:12 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 04:05 ben_vulpes: anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
12:12 asciilifeform there's an aesthetic component to the habit, in addition to the merely pharmacological.
12:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming
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12:14 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 04:10 ben_vulpes: just, not at the prices the farmers want.
12:16 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812888 << tools that ~don'twork , end up unimportant, as they are 'routed around'
12:16 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 04:53 mircea_popescu: cryptography is not securitizable for the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
12:16 asciilifeform observe that crypto is ~still~ the quintessential lemon market.
12:17 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/05/pantsuit-media-tries-to-dethrone-woke-voice-of-a-generation-kanye-west-with-forced-meme/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Media Tries To Dethrone #WOKE Voice of a Generation Kanye West With Forced Meme
12:17 asciilifeform and by extension, for instance, rng ( witness the lack of excitement among heathens in re fg, for instance : 'expensive, and what exactly does this do that my intel doesn't')
12:18 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812934 << Rather soon after Colorado legalized "dabbing" started to become a thing. Folks vaporize distilled oils with LIon powered pocket exploders. Pantsuitist market this a "healthier and safer" than smoking
12:18 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 16:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
12:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i expect it will be same dynamic as with the battery-powered nicotine thing
12:19 asciilifeform ( i.e. some folx will pick it up, but no visible dent on traditional tobacco market )
12:19 BingoBoingo I would estimate when I left old country that in my area ~25% of nicotine users had transtioned to the vapes for the majority of their nicotine ingestion
12:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812886 << in actual industry ( as opposed to garage dope kitchen ) essential oils are extracted with supercritical co2, rather than petrochem ( i expected that ben_vulpes would know this )
12:22 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 04:52 ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
12:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Per pantsuitist media reports the Hashoilis use butane.
12:24 asciilifeform well yes, currently they do
12:24 asciilifeform because not so far removed from the kitchen lab, at the moment.
12:25 asciilifeform you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
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12:25 BingoBoingo Might be related to the strong non-polarity of stuff they want as a focus. Could be part kitchen lab, could be the butane has a favorable bias as a solvent.
12:26 asciilifeform these regularly explode.
12:26 asciilifeform hence the pantsuit coverage.
12:26 BingoBoingo The regular exploding is more the lithium ion batteries
12:26 asciilifeform ( and yes it's the ~only hardware-store solvent that ~works for the purpose )
12:27 BingoBoingo Why sell good cells to vapists?
12:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the funny bit, is that 'good' lithium-ion cell is a mythical unicorn
12:27 asciilifeform they were rubbish when they first hit conveyor, and are rubbish now; good for intended purpose for maybe a year or 2 when new
12:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, entirely improbable. alcohol ~is even the reason america exists~, i'll point out ; the driver for slave trade was sugar cane not cotton, historically, and so on.
12:28 mircea_popescu ie, we're still comparing mud pies to the washington monument.
12:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i cannot comment on the probability. only re the possibility ( it seems -- possible. )
12:29 asciilifeform the demise of the horse, i suspect, seemed equally improbable.
12:30 asciilifeform old crop of lizards preferred the drunken man; perhaps new crop -- prefers the 'pothead' as the ideal 'new sov^H^H^H^american man'..
12:30 mircea_popescu the $200 bottle of whiskey is a product of the EXACT same process as "i have a bf, why would i be your slave" patriotism. there is no whiskey extant today, ever existent in history or ever to be devises worth more than $2 a galon. for the very simple and strictly unassailable reason that grain alcohol is one step above wood alcohol, and approximately equal to gasoline.
12:31 mircea_popescu now FRUIT alcohol, ie, the $200 bottle of wine, THAT exists. but it's also so finnicky to actually make as to justify the price.
12:31 asciilifeform which one of these , pot-growing is closer to , i'ma leave to the folx who know
12:32 mircea_popescu note that there's no veuve cliquot securities, notwithstanding that is a genuinely and on its own merits $50 bottle.
12:32 mircea_popescu (there are no $1000 bottles, either, it's not THAT bad. unless for purely historical reasons, "this is the bottle marie antoinette vaginally inserted" etc)
12:33 mircea_popescu but that said -- seems almost a certainty that the pothead is preferable to the drunk, from the socialist nigger's perspective.
12:33 asciilifeform aha -- sedate, pliant folx
12:34 asciilifeform ( only problem, from pig-farm pov, being their 'munchies' but the corn people will take care... )
12:34 mircea_popescu alcohol is sedative in quantity and uninhibitor in mini doses ; pot is sedative in mini doses and psychogenic in quantity. seems evidently the better deal.
12:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, do you recall, incidentally, the trilema piece discussing the future ? the bit about how "if meth is legal, trucker MUST do meth, like it or not" ?
12:35 mircea_popescu turns out that pot mandate has extended past "the service industry" ie the white girl job (waitress) and the black guy job ("custodian", amirite ?) into the neet lands.
12:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i recall the piece. can't currently picture how it applies to pot tho -- it isn't 'performance dope'
12:37 asciilifeform unless notion is 'opiate for the masses', where 'neet' is herded into barns that are 'undendurable without pot'
12:37 mircea_popescu of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside".
12:38 mircea_popescu as far as the zeks are concerned, their performance is purely performative : they're employed at the task of "being americans", so the chinese can take pictures of authentic.
12:38 mircea_popescu in this sense, pot is as much a performance drug as meth is for trucker.
12:38 asciilifeform the aquarium model is imho spot-on, but with the detail that most of the usa inmates are not fish in the aquarium, but zooplankton, quite invisible to the owner and the fish alike
12:39 mircea_popescu and this is why it started with waitresses and janitors, too. their job is to PRETEND like they're servants so the "upper" class can pretend it's upper.
12:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, sure. and then again there's this pesky algae bloom of maga, and so on.
12:40 asciilifeform aaha
12:40 mircea_popescu but there's a fucking reason they're "concerned" about "russian spies" rather than chinese spies. "those aren't spies, dummy, those are the peopel dropping food pellets in. they should get a good show, put out!"
12:41 asciilifeform pre-q2-2016 fixation was still 'chinese spies'
12:41 mircea_popescu imagine, if you will, wehrmacht-sd being "concerned" about azerbaijani spies.
12:42 * asciilifeform was slaving in a 'seekoority'-flavoured salt mine hell at the time, and remembers the switch, quite abrupt
12:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, funny, huh.
12:42 lobbes I will note that some of the moar chronic (decade + of "smoke all day every day") $potusers I know can no longer get high off of the leaves; need the refined "dabs". >> (+asciilifeform) [16:31:35] which one of these , pot-growing is closer to , i'ma leave to the folx who know
12:43 mircea_popescu lobbes, pot has a number of misfortunate qualities that interdict its large scale usage, which is why coca civilisation existed even, but not pot.
12:43 mircea_popescu but why bother the idiots with knowledge, let them "we've done the experiment and forgot to publish results" until they fall over.
12:43 asciilifeform lobbes: afaik even heroin users have concept of 'knock down the dose', where they abstain for a spell. pot smokers -- not ?
12:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, let me simplify this for you : pot smokers are socialist. if their brain worked, pot'd be more of a concern, but as it is...
12:44 mircea_popescu you know the joke with the very brave man, went through the horrible leg-cutting bear trap ?
12:44 asciilifeform hm?
12:44 mircea_popescu a very brave man once braved a horrible leg-cutting bear trap
12:45 mircea_popescu interviewed afterwards, as to how did he do it ?!
12:45 mircea_popescu "i was born without legs, ma'am."
12:46 asciilifeform 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
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12:47 mircea_popescu ahahaha!
12:47 mircea_popescu man this is great.
12:47 asciilifeform there's a whole genre of these.
12:48 mircea_popescu "Понос... Дизентирия... Геморрой. не казала б девка ты худую грудь и в такую попку парни не буть накачаю попку, припаяю грудь пусть меня в деревне парни все буть."
12:49 mircea_popescu Дед Епифан! fucking win.
12:49 lobbes asciilifeform: I posed the same "why not take tolerance break" q to them as well. They claim "doesn't work" but I suspect they simply didn't wait long enough
12:49 mircea_popescu lobbes, it doesn't work as well as it works for say ecstasy.
12:50 asciilifeform sorta like how when asciilifeform suggests to nicotine aficionados, to do it 'like the indians, erry 3-6mo.' they look like at martian
12:51 mircea_popescu you know i kinda lost that ?
12:51 asciilifeform completely ? as in, it does 0 ?
12:51 mircea_popescu for two decades i've been smoking, maybe once or twice a week, or so.
12:51 asciilifeform or as in '6 mo go by, but still dun feel like any'
12:51 mircea_popescu but it's been months, the cigars been piling up, eventually i turned off the supply... and well...
12:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, yeah, i just lost interest in smoking altogether.
12:52 asciilifeform it does happen.
12:52 mircea_popescu apparently.
12:53 asciilifeform the pets dun do cigars ?
12:53 mircea_popescu notrly.
12:54 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside". << Uruguay is the FUTURE!!!
12:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, moar liek futa is da future amirite.
12:55 BingoBoingo Defo
12:55 lobbes Though, I think mr p's "aquarium performance drug" theory is spot on re: pot. Encourages general complacency with less "action" than alcohol inspires.
12:55 mircea_popescu certainly "beautiful ones" look better smoked than drunk.
12:55 BingoBoingo And there are few "people" (cerdos humanos) more complacent than Uruguayos
12:57 lobbes 40+ yr case study right there in .uy huh?
12:57 BingoBoingo lobbes: Well, what is an almost purely tourist oriented economy? If it isn't a type of aquarium...
13:00 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other rude awakenings, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uDvnz/?raw=true
13:02 mircea_popescu !#s beautiful ones
13:02 a111 9 results for "beautiful ones", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=beautiful%20ones
13:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-25#1033675 << there we go.
13:02 a111 Logged on 2015-02-25 21:16 ascii_field: their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'
13:04 mircea_popescu might as well redrop the orig source for archival http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php
13:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812937 << farming is NOT AMENABLE to any other kind of farming. the pretense to "independent farmers" is how the pantsuit chicks got the less able men off the cattle growing, you understand. the notion of "independent farmer" is a hallucination exactly like the notion of "successful starlet", sold by the press of a commercial concern for a commercial interest. hollywood WANTED a bunch of gir
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13:07 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 16:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming
13:07 mircea_popescu lies breaking off family bonds to come serve them on hands and knees ; and churchgoing uppity "homely" (=ugly) women WANTED a bunch of retards to think "cowboy life is dangerous, dun take guns to town, stay on farm with the sow"
13:07 mircea_popescu but once the specific environment changed, once there isn't a cattle farming interest to join, well... why keep up the pretense.
13:08 mircea_popescu understand, mom will make paper copies of rifles for kiddy for only just as long as the soldiers pass in the street. once they're gone, once the immediate, obvious stimulus ceases, there's other things to do, so why don't you go make your bed.
13:11 mircea_popescu epically more evident in period russia, where choice before every country bumpkin/ciolovek actually had to decide whether stay on farm or go join bandits. and, for that matter, the deep reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811354 is exactly that, german youth deserted the old woman "state" en masse, joined "the bandits".
13:11 a111 Logged on 2018-05-08 17:52 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet was just not long ago singing it, lol
13:11 asciilifeform kolhoz did not happen because martians came, no. technological inevitability, like artillery.
13:13 mircea_popescu rather. farm life is farm life, whadda ya want. waste effort on supporting too many children, pray the mongols don't come to merv you out.
13:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: related, in re period, 'На одной ноге я пришел с войны, / Привязал коня сел я у жены. / Но часу не прошло комиссар пришел, / Отвязал коня и жену увел. ...'
13:14 mircea_popescu it's fundamentally unsustainable, but hey, for while the "headcount is only count that matters" delusion holds, women wanna spawn.
13:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812954 << costa rica is introducing a lulz of al ltime tiered licensing system. the top tier is about 2mn in royalties.
13:20 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 16:25 asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
13:21 mircea_popescu i expect they'll get paid ; the pot lulz is not without financing.
13:23 asciilifeform i still suspect that folx who 'i'ma get in on ground floor and GetRich(tm)', a la ben_vulpes's friend, are misguided , because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044114
13:23 a111 Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
13:23 mircea_popescu of course. but you have to understand, lots of imaginary money sloshing around.
13:24 mircea_popescu the one thing the germans were clamoring for, interbellum, was "for a way to give all this useless paper back to the govt".
13:24 asciilifeform rright. nobody promised that the constraint mechanism would be same as in venice or king leopold's belgium. today it is in the turket vs vapour usd divide
13:24 mircea_popescu because that's what worthless money wants, most of all : to go back an' meet its maker.
13:24 asciilifeform i.e. one investor's 500k builds a co2 extractor; the other's 2m usd -- mysteriously evaporates without building much of anything
13:24 mircea_popescu oh, but it was invested in the great opportunity of groupon
13:24 asciilifeform bahahayes
13:25 mircea_popescu which all the fucktards who hyped it feel no need to ever mention again ; they'll just reuse the hype with s/groupon/apple/g instead.
13:25 mircea_popescu problem ?
13:25 * asciilifeform remembers walking into dc metro and literally every square metre on which paper could be glued -- pavement, walls, trains, escalator -- was covered: 'groupon'
13:26 asciilifeform for weeks.
13:28 * asciilifeform even today has nfi -- though admittedly, did not dig in deeply -- re what, exactly , distinguishes 'groupon' from ye olde 'mmm'
13:34 mircea_popescu exactly nothing. but sometime between Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC and groupon they actually gave up on even pretending to prosecute fraud.
13:34 mircea_popescu otherwise, books cooked ~exactly~ same way in both cases.
13:35 mircea_popescu (there was actually the mf global issue right in between there, as an intermediate stage)
13:44 mircea_popescu "Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. Their most complex behaviors will become fragmented. Acquisition, creation and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial cultural-conceptual-technological society will have been blocked."
13:45 mircea_popescu i find this eerlily apt. the fundamental fact of the neet isn't that it's alienated ; but that it lacks the capacity for alienation altogether.
13:50 mircea_popescu "In Stand on Zanzibar, John Brunner’s 1972 novel of a hyperactive, overpopulated world, society is plagued by “muckers,” individuals who suddenly and for no obvious reason run amok, killing and wounding others." << now the uncomfortable question becomes, whether that's the actual problem of 2018 because that's what the people of 1972 thought it will be ?
13:50 asciilifeform !#s zanzibar from:asciilifeform
13:50 a111 11 results for "zanzibar from:asciilifeform", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zanzibar%20from%3Aasciilifeform
13:50 asciilifeform ^ see also.
13:53 mircea_popescu certainly there's directly evident a fundamental inability to acquire or process ideas at the root of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812645 / more general "web has failed" discussion.
13:53 a111 Logged on 2018-05-12 01:59 mircea_popescu: 2018 web is ~= 1988 disco or 1968 "rock&roll". there's no beatles, there's no elvis, there's just you know, "rock and roller Little Richard performing in 2007" ie wikipedia. there's fucking F!TV.
13:53 mircea_popescu ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812588
13:53 a111 Logged on 2018-05-11 23:02 trinque: lol what claim? go, divide.
13:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-25#688733 << the shit one finds digging through the logs.
13:57 a111 Logged on 2014-05-25 21:19 mircea_popescu: Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure.
13:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-28#691540 << is dead link, unsurprisingly. replaced with proper quality warez, nao, for now at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/warez/soz.txt.gz .
13:58 a111 Logged on 2014-05-28 00:43 asciilifeform: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/B/Br/Brunner_John_-_Stand_on_Zanzibar.pdf
14:01 mircea_popescu why ty.
14:01 mircea_popescu aaanyway, the problem isn't even the demographic-theoretical identified there ("when there's more mice than social roles, mice society collapses, because the demands upon the role fillers are overgreat wrt individual mice biological capacity ; and the path for the role-aspirants is no longer clear, which definitionally is what "society has failed" even means, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742439 ) ; but rather informatio
14:01 a111 Logged on 2017-11-23 15:25 mircea_popescu: though mostly quoted for the fundamental prpblem -- these are college educated or educating esltards (maybe not ALL at MIT, but if you're on the internet.en you're either out of or currently in college) WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO BECOME MILLIONAIRES.
14:01 mircea_popescu n-theoretical : when there's more ideas than mental capacity for juggling ideas, one's stuck trying to pretend like they're some kind of me, sitting atop a complex apparatus fine-tuned to provide them with summaries and classification.
14:02 mircea_popescu in the end, the remaining "value proposition" of jewish outlets is, "all put together a penny or two, and we'll provide a harem for all of you!"
14:02 mircea_popescu sorta like that bad 1950s film with kim novak.
14:04 mircea_popescu basically, to answer http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812588 : they're a) not doing it because b) if they tried to they'd run out of time before they'd run out of divisions and therefore c) waiting for someone to d) collapse this AND OTHER SUCH things into a more manageable super-idea except e) quid custodiet, which is necessarily at odds with the requirements of b-c, and therefore the whole thing's paralyzed.
14:04 a111 Logged on 2018-05-11 23:02 trinque: lol what claim? go, divide.
14:04 mircea_popescu this is the fucking problem : man who can plow an acre who got a square mile, can't start on plowing the acre he can plow because waiting for tractor, except can not trust item he receives actually plows anything. -> famine.
14:05 asciilifeform the same folx will do mountain of work to, e.g., build 'rust' compiler or other heathen nonsense. but unsurprisingly won't lift a finger to look through terrorist telescope and , heavens forbid, see an extra moon where mother church proclaimed, Officially, there be none
14:08 asciilifeform i suspect (but cannot prove) that there is at least a trace of underlying thought of 'so suppose he's telling the truth. nao wat? throw away mit diploma? eat pistol? eat from dumpsters?'
14:12 mircea_popescu not so.
14:13 mircea_popescu they'll just download a script
14:13 asciilifeform lol script. these people spend all day, erry day, fiddling with the products of one another's dysfunctional hands growing from arse
14:14 asciilifeform ( try and, one day, build one of their supposed 'just worx, run script!' lol )
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14:35 mircea_popescu but they don't care about the eventual results.
14:35 mircea_popescu they get fifty, run them all, pick whichever result looks least banged up and there, that's gonna be their wife now.
14:37 mircea_popescu see, there's a difference between work and activity. they're not completely inactive, yes, but they do no work. cuz work is when you know what's gonna come out. if you don't know what's gonna come out, it's fucking not work.
14:37 asciilifeform they do 'work' of the rat turning a wheel, yes
14:38 mircea_popescu rat lacks the capacity for work. it can do "work" in the physical sense, of ef-delta-dee. but in the social sense, work is directed activity not merely activity undirected.
14:39 asciilifeform activity of shaman, or rust programmer, is 'directed', from his pov
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15:56 BingoBoingo In other agricultural products: http://trilema.com/2016/pili/#selection-89.445-89.546
15:58 asciilifeform meanwhile, in euroclassics, the ~original~ malleus ( http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm has decent engl. trans. ) is actually pretty great. e.g. :
15:58 asciilifeform 'And what, then, is to be thought of those witches who in this way sometimes collect male organs in great numbers, as many as twenty or thirty members together, and put them in a bird's nest, or shut them up in a box, where they move themselves like living members, and eat oats and corn, as has been seen by many and is a matter of common report? It is to be said that it is all done by devil's work and illusion, for the senses of thos
15:58 asciilifeform e who see them are deluded in the way we have said. For a certain man tells that, when he had lost his member, he approached a known witch to ask her to restore it to him. She told the afflicted man to climb a certain tree, and that he might take which he liked out of the nest in which there were several members. And when he tried to take a big one, the witch said: You must not take that one; adding, because it belongs to a parish pr
15:58 asciilifeform iest.'
15:59 asciilifeform ( part 2, ch. vii )
16:01 asciilifeform or, p. 1., 'question' xviii, '...why do not witches become rich? Secondly, why, having the favour of princes, do they not co-operate for the destruction of all their enemies? Thirdly, why are they unable to injure Preachers and others who persecute them?
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16:01 asciilifeform For the first, it is to be said that witches are not generally rich for this reason: that the devils like to show their contempt for the Creator by buying witches for the lowest possible price.'
16:15 BingoBoingo And I found the green Rio de la Plata parrots on Trilema http://trilema.com/2016/peruvian-immigrants-argentine-natives/
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16:58 esthlos trinque: gonna try to get most of this thing done today
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19:13 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2018/the-unbearable-lightness-of-being/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Unbearable Lightness of Being
~ 3 hours 30 minutes ~
22:44 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ << Trilema - An examination of conflict
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23:12 esthlos question for all: should the gnupg temp files be deleted in all_ cases of a failed press? perhaps someone might want it for debugging?
23:23 mircea_popescu afaik the idea is to go to our own rsa eventuyally anyway
23:24 mod6 alright, both machines finally installed with Gentoo & 4.9.4 GCC.
23:25 mod6 Thanks for the help all.
23:25 mircea_popescu win.
23:26 mod6 srs aventure this weekend
23:26 mod6 an adventure too.
23:27 mod6 how's it goin mircea_popescu?
23:27 mircea_popescu not bad.
23:27 mod6 right on.
23:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1813108 >> pretty fucking great huh
23:29 a111 Logged on 2018-05-13 20:01 asciilifeform: or, p. 1., 'question' xviii, '...why do not witches become rich? Secondly, why, having the favour of princes, do they not co-operate for the destruction of all their enemies? Thirdly, why are they unable to injure Preachers and others who persecute them?
23:30 mircea_popescu danielpbarron, figure of speech
23:34 danielpbarron ty
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23:54 trinque danielpbarron: eh you know, I was going to call the book the (apparent) movie is based upon garbage, but gears began to turn, and if recollection serves, the thing's a passable depiction of what happens to meaning in the aftermath of destroyed structures of authority, a la mircea_popescu
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23:55 trinque the narcissism of each character is cartoonish, but here we are amidst even more cartoonish pieces of shit claiming their bundle of infantile urges is an identity.
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