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00:00 ave1 So request is to create a rss-reader bot, that can subscribe / unsubscribe on request from L1 only?
00:00 mircea_popescu hey, keep with the zero overhead ada compiles
00:00 mircea_popescu more useful.
00:01 ave1 Yes, that one is almost done, hard part is making a blog item, will do that first
00:01 mircea_popescu cool
00:03 ave1 I will finish blog post this week
00:04 mircea_popescu cool
00:04 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786246 << ahh okay, I misunderstood (glad I asked). So each archived webpage will have its own abstract syntax tree of the code. Now I'm starting to see the utility in deduping (e.g. can ignore 'meaningless' changes between otherwise identical webpages (such as an extra whitespace, etc))
00:04 a111 Logged on 2018-02-26 03:27 mircea_popescu: lobbes you understand what the AST is for a [web]page [of code] ?
00:05 mircea_popescu lobbes webpages are just idiotic programs. you familiar with how the dom works ? it's just a tree structure, more grossly of resources ("img src=" ; script = " etc) and more finely of tagged elements (<b> <div> etc).
00:06 mircea_popescu nobody can possibly force you to save image sluts-in-water-12.jpg EVERY TIME some page links it. yes ?
00:06 mircea_popescu so in this sense, keeping the merkle trees of sites is the ultimate de-duping
00:06 mircea_popescu which is the original problem you started with.
00:07 mircea_popescu but the implications are far-reaching (for one example : sinonymy rings can be declared, whereby a set of images are declared equivalent to trilema's rss.svg, so i can simply see that in there instead of w/e insanity the author picked)\
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00:34 lobbes this is making more and more sense, ty.
00:34 lobbes re: dom, I've been wondering if it would be worth it to leverage this to build the trees. alternative I guess would be to parse the downloaded files from archive.is and build based on that
00:35 mircea_popescu well, it's a huge field, like a major cave-in you stumbled upon here. i don't expect it'll be done in one hack
00:40 lobbes word. iterative approach makes sense. see what works, improve, repeat.
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05:02 jurov ben_vulpes: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4C4FCE69 gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available
05:07 jurov oops i tried to decrypt oG7AA instead of MOuRX, nevermind
05:08 jurov and ack, schedule for reboots and raid corruptions was set
05:11 jurov oops jkjk
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08:46 mircea_popescu soo i'm trying to dig up an ancient discussion (in which i proposed to alf he weighs something PRECISELY). i can't find it, of course, but meanwhile http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336297 http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336298
08:46 a111 Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: Protandrous hermaphrodites refer to organisms that are born male and at some point in their lifespan change sex to female. Protandrous animals include clownfish. Clownfish have a very structured society. In the Amphiprion percula species, there are zero to four individuals excluded from breeding and a breeding pair living in a sea anemone. Dominance is based on size, the female being the largest and the male being the
08:46 a111 Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: second largest. The rest of the group is made up of progressively smaller non-breeders, which have no functioning gonads. If the female dies, the male gains weight and becomes the female for that group. The largest non-breeding fish then sexually matures and becomes the male of the group.
08:49 mircea_popescu then we wonder why the kids are "transgender". but as their life conditions become more like these offered by sea anemone (ie, a very sparse stone cubicle in a very hostile ocean), the clows will naturally be more like clownfish.
08:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you remember this btw ? exact sister argument to the dioxin-less tomato crate, but with "weigh EXACTLY, fucker" instead.
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10:20 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ << Trilema - Technology and Governance
10:22 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/02/argentine-coast-guard-fires-on-and-is-outmaneuvered-by-chinese-fishing-vessel/ << Qntra - Argentine Coast Guard Fires On And Is Outmaneuvered By Chinese Fishing Vessel
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10:48 mod6 mornin'
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11:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite frustrating, i know there ~was~ this thread. but no dice re finding when, where.
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11:55 mircea_popescu myeah. i spent an unpleasant coupla hours earlier at this also
12:07 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786219 <-- hey, that sounds like a really neat project, I wouldn't mind adding it to the list. on a related note, /me has been on a sort of semi-holiday for the last 2 months, which led to a lot of exploration on items of potential republican interest. e.g. the ada lisp scriptlang, an irc logger bot (which I could spin into a rss bot), the text browser thing and some out-of-the-blue ro-en Trilema
12:07 a111 Logged on 2018-02-26 00:39 mircea_popescu: douchebag ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? mats ?
12:07 spyked translations. I've been piling 'em up and taking them in small bits, which makes this very much non-productive work on the short term. I can prioritize if you deem any item to be particularly important (and I think it'd be best to first publish some of these before embarking on further quests)
12:08 douchebag hm?
12:11 mircea_popescu spyked the bot is a solved problem, genesis and all.
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12:20 spyked mircea_popescu, do you mean the irc logger? well, I figured moar redundancy can't do any harm; and it started as an occasion to study the various ways in which common lisp can handle the various pieces (database, irc, http). what I have so far is not very different from btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , only I made it a point to avoid quicklisp and use manual imports etc.
12:21 mircea_popescu i guess. but there's so much work not currently bering handled seems somewhat of a waste to re-do things already done.
12:21 mircea_popescu what exactly is the benefit of redundancy in correct code ?
12:21 mircea_popescu redundancy is for known-broken items
12:21 spyked oh, I meant redundancy in "standing a logger bot", not necessarily in re-coding.
12:22 mircea_popescu well that sure, just press it and voila.
12:23 mircea_popescu anyway, more generally, don't do the work-for-drawer idiocy. do things ; publish them, and so on.
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12:30 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'll take 'em in exchange for the note at 0.5. ty!
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12:31 mircea_popescu deal.
12:31 mircea_popescu send asciilifeform shipping deets.
12:31 ben_vulpes ack
12:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: also plox to specify if you want the usb snakes, or sans ( the latter -- slightly faster , i 'jit'-stock snakes )
12:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hfwYb/?raw=true
12:32 ben_vulpes can ya'
12:32 ben_vulpes can you jit them to me instead of your workshop?
12:32 asciilifeform sure.
12:32 ben_vulpes please to
12:34 asciilifeform ok worx. all goes out by thurs at the very worst.
12:37 ben_vulpes mmmmk
12:38 ben_vulpes please let me know when you get a delivery date as well
12:38 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes now getting back to this deal of ours. 0.345773172 for a year of box as detailed ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785941 ) + 0.014 for one month of rack + ??? for a pair fgs
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12:38 a111 Logged on 2018-02-24 18:53 ben_vulpes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.345773172 one year of http://pizarroisp.net/?p=9
12:38 mircea_popescu aaalmost there.
12:41 mircea_popescu also, are you gonna sell 5 to mod6 for an instant paper profit ? lol.
12:41 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'm going to roll the FGs into the rental cost of the machine; 20% markup for a year paid up front for the whole kit and caboodle if that passes with you
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12:42 mod6 lol, if i wanted to get middleman'd, i'd get 'em from dpb!
12:42 mircea_popescu well... it'll pass with me for fairytale reasons (irl i wouldn't have any reason to buy insurance on a fg, seeing how that'll be the day, and besides i got alf to squeeze ; but let's play.)
12:43 mircea_popescu mod6 so is pizarro gonna sell you things at cost ?!
12:43 mod6 i doubt it.
12:43 ben_vulpes aight thanks mircea_popescu
12:43 mod6 tis why, was hoping to buy direct from nsa.
12:44 mod6 but if there are not 5 remaining, then there are not 5. will figure something else out.
12:44 * asciilifeform was just about to retort to 'insurance on fg, lol' with 'fg is eternal iron' but then remembered that cpld's eeprom is rated for somewhere like 20yrs. naturally it can be refreshed via the jtag connector and my signed payload, as many times as one likes.
12:44 mircea_popescu mod6 no offense, and sorry for the contorted ; but in thew business game we're currently playing nsa is going to only want to sell in bulk see
12:45 mod6 Alrighty.
12:45 mircea_popescu so unless you actually want the next 100 once we assemble them... you're stuck dealing with one or the other
12:45 mod6 Fair enough.
12:51 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786295 <-- makes plenty of sense; it never crossed my head to not publish, it's more a matter of discipline (whipping myself up into shape and focusing)
12:51 a111 Logged on 2018-02-26 17:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, more generally, don't do the work-for-drawer idiocy. do things ; publish them, and so on.
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13:16 deedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06c-ffa-egypt-proof.html << The Tar Pit - Egyptian div and mul "work": a correctness proof for the arithmetic operations in FFA Chapter 5
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14:01 mod6 Alright, I'm taking quotes on those 5 FGs now. Please add in a bit for shipping to MN. Would like to see them packaged like this: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170328_125346.jpg
14:02 mod6 danielpbarron, ben_vulpes ^.
14:08 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
14:08 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10246.81, vol: 14354.04888975 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10230.25145315, vol: 43778.80132675 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10248.7, vol: 8600.73993726 | Volume-weighted last average: 10236.1907911
14:18 ben_vulpes mod6: i'll do the 5 for 0.7838890 btc; that's a 10% markup from pizarro's cost plus ~20usd for shipping
14:19 ben_vulpes sorry 0.07838890
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14:27 mod6 Thanks ben_vulpes! I'll leave it open for danielpbarron here yet. See what he comes up with.
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16:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786334 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785964 price drop!
16:07 a111 Logged on 2018-02-26 19:19 ben_vulpes: sorry 0.07838890
16:07 a111 Logged on 2018-02-24 19:23 mod6: !~calc 0.0395 * 5
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16:26 mod6 Aha, very competitive pricing there.
16:27 mod6 Wanna give dpb a chance here tho, before I accept. I feel like 24 hours should be fine since the time of my posting.
16:27 * danielpbarron has no better offer
16:28 mod6 Ok, fair enough, I appreciate your response danielpbarron. I'll probably need more eventually anyway.
16:29 mod6 ben_vulpes: It's a deal then! Can pay sometime today yet. Invoice me if you like even. I'll pay with my deedbot acct.
16:29 mod6 Will provide shipping details later also.
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17:45 BingoBoingo From the Bawlling And Butthurt files: https://archive.is/w4daN "Westminster’s prospective buyer only changed its name from Jiangsu Zhongtai Bridge Steel Structure Co. to Kaiwen at the end of December"
17:50 BingoBoingo !~later tell joecool It looks like you sat too long putting togther that "exclusive". Now the world knows Craig Wright is being sued for 10 Billion dollars and such are the wages of convincingly faking the wrong papers.
17:50 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
17:51 BingoBoingo !~seen joecool
17:51 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: I have not seen joecool.
17:54 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785174
17:54 a111 Logged on 2018-02-19 23:11 joecool: BingoBoingo: probable creators of bitcoin filed suit against each other last week, I have the complaint
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19:42 mircea_popescu talk about waste.
19:44 mircea_popescu !~rated joecool
19:44 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Error: "rated" is not a valid command.
19:44 mircea_popescu !!rated joecool
19:44 deedbot mircea_popescu rated joecool 1 at 2015/05/07 16:00:17 << Approximately new blood :p
19:44 mircea_popescu !!rate joecool -1 wastrel.
19:44 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uVVwR/?raw=true
19:52 mircea_popescu !!up state_bits
19:52 deedbot state_bits voiced for 30 minutes.
19:53 state_bits Hi all - I stopped by a month or so ago. Been reading logs but wanted to register a key
19:53 mircea_popescu go for it
19:53 state_bits ty
19:53 state_bits !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/R0FwM/?raw=true
19:53 deedbot 28FD28682552EE17282217A4A9DFAC7974E1933D registered as state_bits.
19:55 state_bits btw actually stumbled on trilema maybe 4 months ago
19:55 mircea_popescu anything good ?
19:55 state_bits taken that long to unpantsuitify myself
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19:55 state_bits I'm only halfway lol
19:56 state_bits Hope to keep stopping by to sharpen myself against the spinning blades etc
19:56 mircea_popescu cool deal.
19:56 state_bits Also happy to see qntra is back up
19:56 state_bits Anyway I'll pop back if I have anything worth saying
19:57 mircea_popescu cool.
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20:36 mod6 evenin'!
20:45 mod6 !!up pinochle
20:45 deedbot pinochle voiced for 30 minutes.
20:58 pinochle !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YpSse/?raw=true
20:58 deedbot 685BD2BF73D2096B8DBDA3754EE147269B5763CA registered as pinochle.
20:59 mircea_popescu aaand who might ye be ?
21:01 pinochle long time log eater, taking steps a la http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/
21:01 mircea_popescu so good for you.
21:01 mircea_popescu !!rate pinochle 1 new blood
21:01 mircea_popescu !!rate state_bits 1 new blood
21:01 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7KBf2/?raw=true
21:01 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/78UmJ/?raw=true
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