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00:07 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:07 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
00:07 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 479128 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 679 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 5 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
00:07 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3102.24, vol: 10186.60970971 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3130.3, vol: 31617.34629133 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3045.557, vol: 16532.34440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3115.0, vol: 8128.02414095 | Volume-weighted last average: 3103.04935822
00:07 BingoBoingo Oh my CRASHING!!!
00:08 mircea_popescu tsk tsk
00:14 BingoBoingo Meanwhil of Failfork: Bitcoin Cash $3,878,816,077 $235.32 16,482,875 BCH $204,338,000 -37.74%
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00:33 mircea_popescu lol. 4 bn amirite. because everyone's mp now.
00:42 BingoBoingo Well, appearance thereof, and crumbling.
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01:12 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ << Trilema - Jud Suss
01:24 mircea_popescu and since i'm doing a nazi film retrospective, asciilifeform phf ever saw der herr der welt ? 1934 sf! robots! death rays!
01:27 phf huh, i haven't
01:28 mircea_popescu kinda not all that good, but anyway.
01:29 phf i might watch it at some point, but i'm downloading Caligula right now.
01:30 mircea_popescu you might have to go through kgb archives to locate a print. i rather doubt the internet has such doubleplusungood material.
01:33 phf huh, even rutracker is failing :o
01:34 mircea_popescu you were too young for the master of the world also!
01:36 mircea_popescu anyway. censorship as usually idiotic, there's really not that much "propaganda" involved.
01:37 mircea_popescu if one can make it throuygh a 30 second superbowl break, one can make it through 30s nazi-sf attempts.
01:42 phf i had a viewing of olympia couple of days ago at my place.. i mean, it's not any kind of a movie..
01:43 phf so this "nazi film retrospective" is very apropos
01:47 mircea_popescu :p
01:47 mircea_popescu anyway. no actual jews were hurt in the makinbg of this retrospective.
01:48 mircea_popescu well, a little perivulvarily, but nothing to write home about.
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02:23 phf and since it's a slow night at tmsr, in other non-news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHGyW3IJZL0
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02:40 phf (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V-b8QIYOpM
02:43 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpDf6XX_j0
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03:11 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDAuaStv2Kk
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04:02 phf this one's for Vexual, https://soundcloud.com/robot-heart/the-scumfrog-on-robot-heart-thursday-night-at-burning-man-2010
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04:19 phf !!up scatha
04:19 deedbot scatha voiced for 30 minutes.
04:21 phf not sure if you want it, but you have the floor.
04:23 phf a quite type eh, well, it's 4:30am, tmsr, i'm waiting for your calls, meanwhile, .. frankie bones, the man, the legend, on … tmsr radio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbogMbh3iM
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05:12 phf !!up Uglux
05:12 deedbot Uglux voiced for 30 minutes.
05:12 phf we have another caller, hello, you're on air
05:15 phf keep those leaps sealed, stranger, but meanwhile … seal, "kiss from a rose" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCol1dhLmco
05:18 phf kiss from a rose … this is tmsr radio! i'm waiting from your calls.
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05:38 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZh2vhmype4
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06:01 phf and now a message from our sponsors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9Iv_2fH_4
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09:25 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
09:25 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3165.0, vol: 13012.42435349 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3177.9, vol: 40739.58972339 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3132.048144, vol: 23651.97710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3157.894, vol: 10929.7870556 | Volume-weighted last average: 3161.24715585
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09:49 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/08/us-dollar-hits-new-all-time-lows-against-bitcoin/ << Qntra - US Dollar Hits New All Time Lows Against Bitcoin
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10:23 BingoBoingo In other lolz, herGerman University no more https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/08/04/study-finds-many-european-academics-are-reluctant-teach-english
10:30 shinohai http://archive.is/i66hf “As of today, we have taken measures to blacklist all addresses associated with the WannaCry attackers that are known to the ShapeShift team"
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11:12 mod6 mornin'
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12:41 asciilifeform !~later tell lobbes should show up some time today or mon.
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12:41 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:42 asciilifeform shinohai: lulzy usgtorpropping of the monero nonsense
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12:59 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the cellars of the shitreich, https://archive.is/mpbcX >> '...ederal prosecutors also attempted to block Hutchins' request for bail on grounds he had shot firearms at a shooting range last week while in Vegas for the Black Hat and Defcon security gatherings'
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13:38 asciilifeform in other lulz, i DID get netbsd going on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694103 box. but sad part is, it is useless, because 1) no usb 2) nic needs config 3) no way to connect kbd...
13:38 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 23:12 asciilifeform: it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack.
13:38 asciilifeform literally doesn't need usb for ANYTHING but the config
13:39 asciilifeform later on i'ma pull the drive & try guessing the magic params and writing'em in on other box.
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13:40 * asciilifeform bbl.
13:47 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/456A734E6DDFB53A731F4AEF83BD5E7FC76183C407E172C8CF9D85EBF8967751 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1405...6307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.171.47.62 (ssh-rsa key from 46.171.47.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pbv62.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
13:47 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/456A734E6DDFB53A731F4AEF83BD5E7FC76183C407E172C8CF9D85EBF8967751 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...9993 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.171.47.62 (ssh-rsa key from 46.171.47.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pbv62.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
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14:42 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694201 << eh? Reread message I sent (maybe I can't word things). There was a mistake that benefits me, not you :)
14:42 a111 Logged on 2017-08-05 16:41 asciilifeform: !~later tell lobbes should show up some time today or mon.
14:43 asciilifeform 1s
14:44 asciilifeform lobbes: plz examine what you sent , because i dun see anything of the sort.
14:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694208 << in other noose, this worked.
14:52 a111 Logged on 2017-08-05 17:39 asciilifeform: later on i'ma pull the drive & try guessing the magic params and writing'em in on other box.
14:52 asciilifeform habemus netbsd-zoolag.
14:53 asciilifeform ( no trb yet, but enough to re-pour the cement... )
15:07 mod6 cool alf
15:12 * asciilifeform discovers that NOTHING AT ALL works under netbsd for ~building~ ( i had 2yrs ago build a 'stator' FOR netbsd, UNDER linux, worked... )
15:12 asciilifeform not make, not sed, nuffin.
15:12 asciilifeform all heathen liquishit.
15:13 asciilifeform no shell with tabcompletion, even. pure agony to so much as work on the thing.
15:13 asciilifeform i have nfi why anyone still tolerates this sort of thing.
15:13 asciilifeform if i had to pick b/w not having indoor shitter and not having tab completion, i'd pick the former.
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15:15 asciilifeform midnight/'fish' dun work with the heathen shell either, i end up having to tar up whatevers and sftp'em in/out , takes 100x as long
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15:15 asciilifeform if somebody knows how to make it behave like white man os -- plz to write in.
15:16 asciilifeform i have busybox-based linux2.4 shitboxes with 8M of disk that behave better than this.
15:17 phf set -o emacs
15:17 asciilifeform wassat do
15:18 phf binds bunch of keys to "users come to expect", including tab completion to ^I
15:19 asciilifeform oh neato
15:19 asciilifeform ty phf .
15:20 asciilifeform still no fish though
15:20 asciilifeform does weird things, doesn't see home dir on login via fish, and if manually put there, refuses to write
15:21 asciilifeform hm nm, fixed
15:21 asciilifeform (needed perl)
15:21 phf yeah, because presumably it's written by incompetent people who haven't seen anything but linux ecosystem?
15:21 asciilifeform worx nao
15:22 asciilifeform my barf was premature
15:22 phf emacs for example with their tramp has layers of fallback (oh you don't have perl? it's ok, we'll do it with toothpicks, but takes 2x longer)
15:24 phf tramp when it sets up remove ssh scaffolding, sends small inline scripts which defensively retranslate what emacs wants, rather then doing "ssh foo ls"
15:25 * asciilifeform attempts a build of traditional stator trb inside netbsd ( as rotor is unnecessary there, there is no drepper glibc )
15:26 asciilifeform phf: didja do this at some point ?
15:26 asciilifeform i have this memory of phf barfing
15:27 phf that memory is incorrect, the correct memory would be of ~you~ barfing at the then suggestion of supporting bsd :>
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15:27 asciilifeform i had a year+ of unsuccess with openbsd
15:28 asciilifeform but possibly because плохому танцору яйца мешают (tm)
15:28 phf that's because you didn't try to simply use the patch to makefile that i posted on the list
15:28 asciilifeform hm.
15:28 asciilifeform phf: remember by any chance when/where this was ?
15:30 phf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html
15:31 asciilifeform phf: ty
15:31 asciilifeform yes indeed this is exactly it.
15:31 phf and the most important part is to replace -l pthread with "-Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" which in fact should be happening on all os
15:32 asciilifeform phf: the result runs ?
15:32 phf of course, why would i suggest it otherwise? :o
15:33 asciilifeform dunno -- possibly because it never turned into a proper vpatch ..?
15:33 asciilifeform so i assumed it was a dud
15:34 asciilifeform incidentally i have nfi how you got bdb to build, bsd libtool seems to be broken , tries to write to /include and barfs ( rather than to the demanded local dir )
15:35 asciilifeform aaah lol 'realpath' dun exist.
15:42 phf which reminds me that i need to regrind my shiva swank patch, which is broken
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16:09 deedbot http://trinque.org/2017/08/05/otp-bot-services/ << trinque - Towards a Reliable OTP Mechanism for Bot Services
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16:18 asciilifeform trinque: this looks neato
16:20 asciilifeform however one of the things that i always had ill ease about re pgp challenge-responsetrons , is that enemy who somehow substituted one, can get you to decrypt a message of his choice. (e.g. last year's launch codes.)
16:20 asciilifeform i do not know of anything that would qualify as a final solution for this.
16:21 asciilifeform noting ftr strictly.
16:25 trinque that yes, user has to be careful, not automate response, inspect the item in his hands before !!v
16:26 asciilifeform it's a hex string, neh
16:26 asciilifeform random
16:26 asciilifeform what's there to inspect ?
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16:26 trinque the challenge includes the request
16:26 asciilifeform you have nfi whether it is actually a last year's hex string, fed back to you again.
16:26 trinque so the encrypted item is both the hex string and what you told the bot to do.
16:27 asciilifeform better.
16:28 asciilifeform phf: worx!!!!
16:30 asciilifeform 4.8MB static elf, amd64, worx
16:31 asciilifeform about to put zoolag back in service. it will sync, for some days.
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16:51 asciilifeform motheFUCKER 'route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable' when rebooted with the by-the-book static ip config.
16:52 asciilifeform why would it demand a working network PRIOR to assignment of static ip ?!!!!
17:03 asciilifeform ...fixed. the docs lied re default route
17:04 asciilifeform ACHTUNG PANZERS , welcome back the new zoolag
17:04 asciilifeform it won't be much use until syncs
17:04 asciilifeform but worx.
17:10 asciilifeform gentlemen, if anybody wants his wire back, write in. but it won't do you much good until the thing is synced.
17:10 asciilifeform also at some point i'ma document this build and put own seal on phf's quite useful bsd fix.
17:11 asciilifeform zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 .
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17:12 asciilifeform blockheight ~= 60k or so
17:23 shinohai \o/
17:36 * asciilifeform bbl ( much meat )
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18:43 mod6 <+asciilifeform> zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 . << thanks for the update.
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18:44 mod6 <+asciilifeform> blockheight ~= 60k or so << ah, bummer, no chain backup?
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18:45 mod6 <+phf> that's because you didn't try to simply use the patch to makefile that i posted on the list << i've had a trb openbsd since you posted this yes.
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20:50 asciilifeform mod6: neato
20:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694293 << i dun like relying on contents of rotten hdd any more than i have to
20:51 a111 Logged on 2017-08-05 22:44 mod6: <+asciilifeform> blockheight ~= 60k or so << ah, bummer, no chain backup?
20:52 asciilifeform and been a while since i synced from empty
20:52 asciilifeform worth a comparison
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21:53 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> worth a comparison << Aha someone steps up to duplicate my December 2016 to May 2017 experiment!
21:58 BingoBoingo But yes, phf makefile mod powers my OpenBSD builds.
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23:01 asciilifeform wedge at 168000 apparently.
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23:01 asciilifeform and nfi why.
23:02 asciilifeform ( this ain't an ancient liquishit press )
23:04 asciilifeform mod6, phf didja see 168kisms on openbsd?
23:04 asciilifeform i seem to recall.
23:04 phf i remember people wedging around there, but i didn't personally observe it
23:06 asciilifeform i walked the logs , found no record of a nailed root cause or finalsolution
23:08 asciilifeform fucking disgrace, is what this is
23:11 asciilifeform i duneven know if to blame bsd ( how..? ) or the imbecile's sync algo where all depends on who first node syphilitically fucks on warmup
23:12 asciilifeform ( and where if the addnode people get hiccupped it will pick a rando scum to rely on, and never drop him no matter how many hours, days, WEEKs without newblock incoming)
23:16 * BingoBoingo addressed by restarting bitcoind on wedge
23:18 * phf covers his face
23:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the absolute most total nogood.jog
23:19 asciilifeform does not meet cement standard.
23:19 asciilifeform trb on linux : does
23:19 phf that's a nice round number too, 168000
23:20 BingoBoingo last sync test WAS trb on linux
23:20 asciilifeform ( i have 0 instances of wedged bring up on linux since mircea_popescu's bdb patch, in 30 or so shots on machines in various spots )
23:21 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=168000
23:21 asciilifeform phf: there was a bdb idiocy iirc that wedged at 168k
23:21 asciilifeform but fixed by mp's patch 2.5y ago. and apparently unfixd by bsd
23:21 asciilifeform somehow
23:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i was reading plusminusweek of each of those search res for past 2h
23:23 BingoBoingo Assumed, dropping for other esteemed readers
23:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632985 << see also
23:23 a111 Logged on 2017-03-28 04:32 asciilifeform: mod6: imho manual knobs ~for unwedging~ are a fundamental mistake. nodes shouldn't be wedgeable, period. and the only use for a wedged node is to learn why it wedged and to make said scenario impossible in the future.
23:29 asciilifeform anyway phf mod6 BingoBoingo et al taking suggestions ( other than the beneath-contempt nonsense of 'reboot and jiggle the handle blindly until it works and forget about cement fleet ' )
23:31 phf i don't remember every suggesting anything remotely similar. my suggestion would be to debug it, and solve the problem, rather than "mp's fix somehow magically resolves it"
23:31 asciilifeform debug how?
23:37 phf well, if i were approaching this, i'd replay to 167998 or so, setup a script to ensure that every time i start trb it starts from that state. i would then see if on forward play it would wedge. i would then investigate what is the nature of wedging, and slowly instrument the code along the various paths to tell me where exactly it decides to stop doing the right thing, etc.
23:38 asciilifeform replay??!
23:38 asciilifeform how?
23:39 phf split the current blocks, eat block until 167998, then on each restart copy the 167998 state folder over the settings folder
23:40 asciilifeform eatblock doesn't replicate the unknown stream of wild sewage that thing ate.
23:40 asciilifeform nor the timings.
23:41 phf if it consistently wedges at 168000 across various machines and settings then it's not a question of wild sewage
23:41 asciilifeform 1 particular machine
23:42 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/05/the-bitcoin-crash-fork-failure-chronology/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Bitcoin Crash fork failure chronology.
23:42 asciilifeform on 1 particular os previously afaik untested
23:43 phf you replay to 167998, you then let it run till 168000 on the network. if it doesn't wedge with that setup, than you have two possibilities. it is either a heisenbug, or you need to replay to an earlier block, say 167000 and let that run on the wild network, etc.
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23:43 asciilifeform my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd
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23:43 phf ~you can't reason about locks patch~
23:44 asciilifeform i am increasingly of the notion that i can't rreason about ANY of it
23:44 phf until you can actually reproduce the nature of locks patch vs. block (or whatever wedges)
23:45 asciilifeform all this time i thought there were reproducibles. but it is nonsense to speak of reproducibles in 200Mb of liquishit dep that does whatever the fuck it wants
23:56 asciilifeform phf, mod6 , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/168k.txt.tar.gz << log
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23:57 asciilifeform ^ whole debug log since t=0
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