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← 2017-06-04 | 2017-06-06 → ↓
00:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D51CE11AEBA34A453A079F1B846588882CC952F9C41ECA15812360F2C210888 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1374...8559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.244.88.66 (ssh-rsa key from 62.244.88.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown FR 60 S)
00:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D51CE11AEBA34A453A079F1B846588882CC952F9C41ECA15812360F2C210888 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1640...9107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.244.88.66 (ssh-rsa key from 62.244.88.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown FR 60 S)
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00:52 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:52 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2586.68, vol: 8549.92302101 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2531.9, vol: 5218.59957 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2526.9, vol: 10784.26082203 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2640.780796, vol: 12784.19920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2585.277, vol: 5494.40443755 | Volume-weighted last average: 2580.92180934
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02:04 BingoBoingo In other WaPo lulz: "Despite a recent uptick in the Russian birth rate, the country still has an old undereducated population plagued by chronic disease, and its economy isn’t exactly an innovative dynamo." << Forgetting that USia is a diabetic crisis full of hamplanets useful for little other than biodiesel
02:06 mircea_popescu innovative dynamo! tru because fake media says so!
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09:32 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/411613C287DB5AADF988E2AA6FE5A735E9C448C40E60DB7F2E677417874439C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1562...0897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.152.213.15 (ssh-rsa key from 93.152.213.15 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BG)
09:32 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/411613C287DB5AADF988E2AA6FE5A735E9C448C40E60DB7F2E677417874439C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...7877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.152.213.15 (ssh-rsa key from 93.152.213.15 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BG)
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10:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B59E9E00EEF865CB23F3ADB6B971F4FF32A99FF4CEB399921E063CEDB9C98DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1750...4967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.46.17.6 (ssh-rsa key from 222.46.17.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 11)
10:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B59E9E00EEF865CB23F3ADB6B971F4FF32A99FF4CEB399921E063CEDB9C98DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...4117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.46.17.6 (ssh-rsa key from 222.46.17.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 11)
10:23 mod6 mornin'
10:26 asciilifeform heya mod6
10:26 asciilifeform https://archive.is/zxBmN << in today's lulz
10:26 asciilifeform 'A group of fifteen consortium members from seven European countries has initiated this week a new project to curtail criminals and attackers from using blockchain technology to avoid law detection, while at the same time respecting the privacy rights of legitimate users.' << didjaknow !
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10:27 asciilifeform and at the same time '...will respect individual privacy and other fundamental rights'
10:27 asciilifeform also 5mil euro dun seem like esp. much
10:28 asciilifeform ( would buy... 6-7 gavins and a smallish server or two..? )
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12:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666042 << i don't think the bullshit is ever going to cease, for as long as there's a single socialist-criminal standing up somewhere they're go9ing to engage in criminal socialism.
12:03 a111 Logged on 2017-06-05 14:26 asciilifeform: 'A group of fifteen consortium members from seven European countries has initiated this week a new project to curtail criminals and attackers from using blockchain technology to avoid law detection, while at the same time respecting the privacy rights of legitimate users.' << didjaknow !
12:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666045 << the way the lizards expect the shit to work is exactly in the way mp -saves-openbsd worked : as seen moneyz. recall the story of the us embassy spending a whooping 50k to start an "empire" of fake news tv stations etc ?
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12:13 a111 Logged on 2017-06-05 14:28 asciilifeform: ( would buy... 6-7 gavins and a smallish server or two..? )
12:14 asciilifeform i.e. conductor's baton ?
12:18 mircea_popescu see, they're not really made to function in a reality of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-04#1665942 ; they arose in an agar of "stone soup", and are only really fit to function in that context.
12:18 a111 Logged on 2017-06-04 17:40 mircea_popescu: bunch of old women are supposed to manage to misrepresent their trite idiocies as hip and "universal consensus", though the unlikely venue of marking reddit user groups as spam and deleting shit people said on twitter.
12:18 mircea_popescu if a 50k expenditure isn't "polarizing" and doesn't result in EVERYONE beelining to give at the office, they really dunno what to do, have no plans, nothing.
12:19 mircea_popescu that's why it's so fucking important to http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ ; and why it's so extremely effectual, also.
12:23 mircea_popescu in other lulz : ubisoft (famous as a place where great franchises go do tie) actually CHECKS YOUR PW FOR "BAD" WORDS.
12:24 asciilifeform wat!
12:25 mircea_popescu try it yourself lmao.
12:25 mircea_popescu (also, fuck is bad, idiots is not, whatever)
12:25 mod6 haha
12:26 asciilifeform well! you wouldn't want nsa d00d hand-scraping the pw lists for addition to bruteforcetron collection, to be Offended!111 It Would Be Wrong
12:27 mircea_popescu what if he's an ethnic female in a wheelchair.
12:27 asciilifeform aha, especially
12:27 asciilifeform 'hiv lesbian in wheelchair dancing macarena' (tm)(r)(uncle al)
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13:14 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6CD57C5E5238DBDB2FC4BCD0644BA3CFE77D21AE9B1195E66B504205F01CC128 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1578...4693 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.7.26.40 (ssh-rsa key from 190.7.26.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AR E)
13:14 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6CD57C5E5238DBDB2FC4BCD0644BA3CFE77D21AE9B1195E66B504205F01CC128 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...4563 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.7.26.40 (ssh-rsa key from 190.7.26.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AR E)
13:14 asciilifeform Direccion General de Catastro y Cartografia. Gobierno de la Provincia de Corrientes ^^ lel
13:15 asciilifeform catastrocorrientes.gov.ar .
13:16 asciilifeform !$ssh 190.7.26.40
13:16 scriba ssh banner of 190.7.26.40 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
13:16 asciilifeform Run Moar Debian..
13:22 trinque I read that first as "castrato"
13:23 asciilifeform me too lol
13:24 mircea_popescu torens title = "catastro" in spanish.
13:25 asciilifeform cadaster in engl
13:29 shinohai Well it is Argentina after all. *Everyone* is castrado there, no?
13:29 mircea_popescu cadastrado lol
13:30 asciilifeform ad astra per aspera (tm)(r)
13:30 mircea_popescu ad castera per amsterda!
13:32 BingoBoingo WAPO confuses soy and almond milks with Latex: https://archive.is/JsuvD << "In 1626, Francis Bacon observed that “there be plants, that have a Milk in them when they are Cut.”"
13:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc chocolate, then cheese, already lost this 'war' in usa -- why not nao milk.
13:40 asciilifeform 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!'
13:41 asciilifeform soy even 'kills two birds with one stone' -- not only cheapolade, but feminizing
13:42 asciilifeform almost surprising that soy ain't mandatory yet.
13:42 BingoBoingo AHA, and WAPO fuckers suggest that as a virtue
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13:59 mircea_popescu !!up pikachu
13:59 deedbot pikachu voiced for 30 minutes.
13:59 pikachu hi
13:59 pikachu can i ask question about bitcoin?
13:59 mircea_popescu aite
14:00 pikachu what will happen with bitcoin in august? i cant sleep
14:00 mircea_popescu ...
14:01 pikachu anyone else not worried because of uasf?
14:01 mircea_popescu asking questions about yourself is best directed at someone who a) actually can distinguish you from adam and b) actually gives a shit about your issues.
14:01 mircea_popescu go sleep.
14:02 mircea_popescu in subsidiary, the united states air force isn't actually capable of hindering a herd of goats. totally need better stuff to lose sleep over.
14:03 pikachu i got my life savings on bitcoin
14:03 mircea_popescu why ?
14:04 pikachu i thought it was a good idea, now im worried
14:04 mircea_popescu well as long as you're entertained.
14:06 pikachu im trying to learn asking different people about the situation and i become more confused daily
14:07 pikachu uasf camp say, you must support uasf, or jihan wu fork will win
14:08 pikachu jihan wu camp say, you must support jihan wu camp, or they will ruin bitcoin
14:09 trinque the folly of sticking your "life savings" in something you don't understand, I suppose, eludes you
14:10 pikachu i understand the technology
14:10 BingoBoingo Neither of those camps matter. Go to sleep and wake up somewhere other than dashjr and wu's joint niggeropolis
14:10 pikachu not so much the outcome of the current situation
14:11 pikachu bingo boingo, you believe in middleground consensus can happen?
14:11 mircea_popescu no dude. there's no "believe" and none of the redditards you keep reading matter in any sense / to any degree.
14:12 mircea_popescu we see a set every 6 to 9 months, they say the same things, then disappear without a trace.
14:12 mircea_popescu random idiots with "their life savings" "invested" "because they understand the technology" (ie, you, ie, people with no life savings and no understanding) read their crap, get all excited, also disappear every 6 to 9 months.
14:12 pikachu yes i went throught xt, classic, bu, now this
14:12 mircea_popescu in the 7 years of bitcoin we've seen OVER A DOZEN generations of you flies.
14:13 mircea_popescu seriously, just go sleep. you're not part of bitcoin, nothing you do or thing makes any difference.
14:13 BingoBoingo i.e. The problem is not that http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ but that they imagine themselves to be a polis
14:13 pikachu no ive been since the begining
14:13 mircea_popescu !!key pikachu
14:13 deedbot Not registered.
14:13 mircea_popescu i don't think so.
14:13 BingoBoingo Well, you can get another 0.01 BTC to lose sleep over by sticking a sharpie in your pooper
14:15 pikachu i started in 2012
14:15 mircea_popescu and how can i verify this ?
14:15 BingoBoingo Well, so you know that sharpie in the pooper is an easy gamble to take
14:15 pikachu never been worried, until now
14:15 pikachu because jihan has checkmated pow in my opinion
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14:15 BingoBoingo Has anything else about your health changed?
14:15 * trinque relieved that pikachu came to share her feelings with us
14:16 pikachu sorry im a guy no girls on the internet
14:16 mircea_popescu no, see, you keep doing this stupid thing where you imagine that if you say something, effects follow. this is how redditards work, not how reality works.
14:16 BingoBoingo Have you recently noticed changes in your appetite? Been losing weight recently? Anxiety up in other areas of life?
14:16 pikachu yes im developing an ulcer thanks to jihan/uasf
14:16 BingoBoingo Are you sure it's not a tumour?
14:17 mircea_popescu !!down pikachu
14:17 mircea_popescu other than the whole "nude statements from $nobody produce effects", there's also the "i'll just ignore anything that doesn't fit"
14:17 mircea_popescu pretty much complete redditard model.
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14:37 * ben_vulpes frowns
14:37 ben_vulpes not much interesting in that thar log
14:39 trinque could rule earth, and how many generations of "my betters owe me that one secret they don't want you to know" to beat out
14:40 mircea_popescu the funny part being they actually believe their inane shit. "oh, if i type $string then it'll be parsed by all-comers as such! oh and i don't have to parse any strings myself!"
14:41 mircea_popescu how the fuck would someone actually believe this nonsense, self-contradictory on its face as it finds itself, is beyond the scope of comprehension.
14:42 mircea_popescu i suppose a lifetime of save scumming creates strange mental habits in the pikachus.
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15:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666124 << i've thoroughly lost track of these nonsenses by nao
15:01 a111 Logged on 2017-06-05 18:15 pikachu: because jihan has checkmated pow in my opinion
15:02 asciilifeform ... was this one of the 2MB, or 20MB, or 2TB blox d00dz..?
15:02 mircea_popescu $thing like $thing! pavin andresenash has ko'd burble protocol! borger ker has uplifted the tokemon foundation! ETCETERA!
15:03 asciilifeform they've become ~impossible to distinguish from one another, even in principle. like viagra spams.
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15:03 mircea_popescu i wonder why that'd be.
15:04 mircea_popescu the coomin brothers discovered one hip secret squirrels don't want you to see!
15:04 asciilifeform the usual move from k to r strat
15:04 mircea_popescu BUT LIFE SAVINGS!!1
15:05 mircea_popescu the workings of spam being exactly this "there exist idiots / old people dumb enough to parse strings from $nobody"
15:06 asciilifeform not even needed
15:06 asciilifeform 'hey , somebody must! be making money doing this. lemme try also'
15:06 mircea_popescu and this is how we ended up with wikipedia.
15:06 asciilifeform the 'old people' largely ran out in what, 1998
15:07 mircea_popescu you'd hope.
15:07 asciilifeform at any rate, was finite resource
15:07 asciilifeform ( 'new old' not any smarter, but have ~nothing worth stealing )
15:08 mircea_popescu life savings!!1
15:08 asciilifeform lel
15:08 mircea_popescu why wont you believe ;/
15:09 asciilifeform it is interesting how phrase 'life savings' already has an archaic 'patina coat' -- same flavour as 'workhouse', 'savings & loan', 'joint stock'
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15:10 asciilifeform ( and... сберкасса !! )
15:11 asciilifeform there oughta be a museum... of failed financial tech
15:13 mircea_popescu yeah. they got a dictionary of "+ev words", whereby if you say $word it creates +value in the mind of specific sort of imbecile.
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15:14 mircea_popescu "oh look dad, he produced the string "responsibility". he can't be a useless pothead. o look, thgere goes, "the future"!!!1 let's give him more money".
15:14 mircea_popescu this is what they do, fill a coupla pages with "good words" at school / unemployment office / whatever.
15:14 mircea_popescu should work (tm)
15:15 asciilifeform see also vintage http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429490 .
15:15 a111 Logged on 2013-12-22 18:56 asciilifeform: 'If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.'
15:15 mircea_popescu heck, 99% oif what's left of us intelligence consists of trying to calculate word-value over the whole interwebs. that's it.
15:16 mircea_popescu can just forget about the rest, obviously if the spies aren't any better then neither are the diplomats, the government, and from there on down to corporations and "famblies", whatever else composes the socialist pyramid.
15:16 mircea_popescu "artificial intelligence", a sort of modern kaballism really, is ~nothing else.
15:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#922030 ^ oblig re subj
15:17 a111 Logged on 2014-11-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/~alexs/classes/2011_Spring_585X/readings/02_Principles/AI_Meets_Natural_Stupidity.pdf
15:18 mircea_popescu which also takes the problem home : bayesian faux intelligence is not, per se, a scam. the whole thing is simply the application of tractors to what the dorks already did anyway in their internal forum.
15:19 mircea_popescu you can't claim google-style "ai" is a scam when it simply does EXACTLY what average-voter does to decide who to vote for, average-idiot to pick his friends, average-office-drone to pick employees etc.
15:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had an article re this very thing
15:20 mircea_popescu or a few.
15:21 mircea_popescu but yes, this will be the enduring legacy of the ustardian "culture", such as it is : a really large attempt to calculate the sum-value of strings of words. because "the alternative is hard" and besides "this kinda works".
15:21 mircea_popescu of course, it only works in naive circumstances, as this shit always does. once mp/someome starts deliberately fucking with your words the whole shit goes nowhere. but obvioujsly "nobody could have predicted" etc.
15:22 asciilifeform 'government of laws'
15:22 mircea_popescu right ? finally fair, just add up the wordvalues of the laws, see what comes out!
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15:47 erlehmann what does “~” in front of a word mean? like here: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666145
15:47 a111 Logged on 2017-06-05 19:03 asciilifeform: they've become ~impossible to distinguish from one another, even in principle. like viagra spams.
15:47 mircea_popescu approximate.
15:47 erlehmann i see.
15:47 erlehmann thx
15:48 erlehmann http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666164 << this seems to be some kind of virtue signaling?
15:48 a111 Logged on 2017-06-05 19:13 mircea_popescu: yeah. they got a dictionary of "+ev words", whereby if you say $word it creates +value in the mind of specific sort of imbecile.
15:53 trinque less complicated than that. know how cats don't meow to each other? this is the idiot's imitative noise he thinks he heard coming from the folks supposed to fill his food bowl.
16:01 asciilifeform trinque: iirc this was more of a neoteny / stuck-development thing
16:02 asciilifeform ( e.g. the snow leopard in the central park zoo in nyc -- quite certainly meowed - it was surreal to watch )
16:06 trinque how sad. better to kill the poor thing.
16:07 mircea_popescu yet you'd never know to ask it.
16:09 asciilifeform trinque: if zoo animal could speak, he might say same thing re 'civilized' man.
16:09 asciilifeform 'kill yerself first, idiot'
16:09 asciilifeform 'you think ~you~ don't live in a zoo
16:09 asciilifeform '
16:10 mircea_popescu nah. more likely, something about how violence is not the answer and koombaya
16:10 asciilifeform lol nope , that's what the herbivores said
16:10 asciilifeform ( different cage )
16:11 trinque aha. brings to mind http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579202
16:11 a111 Logged on 2016-12-07 17:35 trinque knows a person who owns a weimaraner, thing paces in her back yard back and forth between back door and window so much there's no grass in the path, has various other compulsions
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17:12 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/06/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-13-90-percent/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~13.90 Percent
17:26 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2017 Statement
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17:56 phf https://mwi.usma.edu/effective-weapon-modern-battlefield-concrete/ on the role of concrete in the iraq war
17:58 asciilifeform the last reich luvvved concrete just as much.
18:00 mircea_popescu mostly a testament on how ~useless weaporny is.
18:08 asciilifeform road mine still worked great.
18:08 phf ied's vs concrete
18:09 mircea_popescu the pretense of calling the enemy manufacture chain "improvised" is particularly lulzy coming from some people whose entire industrial process consists of impovising mixes out of chinese inputs.
18:09 mircea_popescu ad-hoc littoral ship vs improvised explosive device ftw.
18:09 mircea_popescu !!up scriba
18:09 deedbot scriba voiced for 30 minutes.
18:10 mircea_popescu !!up scwid
18:10 deedbot scwid voiced for 30 minutes.
18:22 mircea_popescu !!up ave1
18:22 deedbot ave1 voiced for 30 minutes.
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18:42 BingoBoingo Further Redditard String Production Sourcery: https://archive.is/Brm9v "Suzuki I am Fat"
18:45 BingoBoingo " Yes Suzuki, I am FAT! 315 pounds and my passenger is another 225, plus 50 pounds of our junk to carry for a total of 590 pounds on my 08 Burgman 400! My 400 is great on power, but supension is weak, even when set on 7 (the highest setting). We need a VERY HEAVY DUTY SUSPENSION FOR THE BURGMAN 400!" << "Get rid of the 400 ... Problem solved"
18:45 BingoBoingo Punchline: "I am staying with the lighter, nimbler, simpler B400. I love my 400. Thank You. "
18:47 BingoBoingo FUCK YOU, STOP WEIGHING A WHOLE 'NOTHER VEHICLE!!!
18:53 BingoBoingo Vehicle should ride hamplanet until human sized!
18:53 mircea_popescu for srs.
18:58 BingoBoingo Not knowing that fucking exhaust system means needing to fuck carb to match can be forgiven, that is much math. Not knowing why vehicle designed to carry passenger ~25-33% of it's own mass objects to passenger ~70-200% is unforgivable hamplanetry
18:59 mircea_popescu the fatsos are really offensive by now with their "oh, i have a right to exist" bullshit.
19:00 BingoBoingo And all this bullshit is polluting my searches for "Can [vehicle] suspension handle ramp jumping"
19:00 mircea_popescu need obesity euthanasia law.
19:00 BingoBoingo No instead as soon as you invoke "suspension" in a string google/Bing/CuckCuckGo all return fatso pandering
19:01 BingoBoingo Need ~25lb portable Lipodiesel refinery
19:01 asciilifeform this is a little bit like complaining re ants, when kitchen has not been cleaned since reagan
19:02 asciilifeform multiply buffett by 0 --> no obesity.
19:02 mircea_popescu meanwhile the piece of shit un is all going into overdrive with trying to get states to implement the usg-tronic "we'll just steal shit because it belongs to criminals hurr durr".
19:03 mircea_popescu fuyck that shit. there's no need for a "united nations office of organized crime".
19:03 mircea_popescu what's needed is an office for killing fat people.
19:03 asciilifeform what's even left for them to steal ?
19:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the heuristic is, "hey, this shit not owned by aparatchik ? give it to aparatchik then!"
19:04 mircea_popescu "proceedings in rem" and all the rest of that scandalous bullshit.
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19:26 asciilifeform incidentally BingoBoingo -- imho encouraging these folx to take up motorcycle is a wholesome thing
19:26 asciilifeform will cure -- one way or the other.
19:40 BingoBoingo Motorcycle is too safe to be cure for hamplanetry
19:41 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the old, nearly forgotten usefulstuffonwww galaxy, http://www.rhunt.f9.co.uk/Glass_Blowing/Glass_Blowing_Menu.htm
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20:13 phf i keep losing ascii's original gentoo recipe. anybody got a link handy?
20:15 phf of course as soon as i asked, i figured out the right keywords
20:15 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << ascii's original gentoo recipe
20:15 a111 Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet
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20:32 asciilifeform lol 404
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20:35 asciilifeform incidentally phf, i've been using the machine i built wih that recipe, ever since, and the list of proggies that - turns out - won't build ( because terminally infested ) is getting ever longer
20:36 asciilifeform 'chromium', 'wine', 'gimp', 'wireshark', other commonplace items.
20:36 asciilifeform these will need specially made cures.
20:37 asciilifeform if you want to use'em.
20:38 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates?
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20:39 mircea_popescu never seems to work out in practice.
20:41 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you've had this tried?
20:41 ben_vulpes would be neat to hear a field report
20:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: afaik there has never existed a full portage archive. some crud or other is always 'elsewhere'.
20:42 mircea_popescu i thought this is what we're all trying. only to discover that whatever, xorg now no longer builds without gcc5 etc.
20:42 ben_vulpes oh christ xorg needs gcc5 now?
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20:42 mircea_popescu whole fucking log is a slow, grindsing field report of "united nations has an office for combatting independence, not obesity".
20:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and likewise no one ( or at the very least, nkt asciilifeform ) knows of a moment in time when it was wholly healthy, with 0 wormy bits
20:43 asciilifeform *not
20:43 mircea_popescu never was the case.
20:44 asciilifeform even original unixen were wormy. ( heterogeneous undesigned slimemold dogvomit )
20:45 mircea_popescu for historical accuracy : /me had bozo bit set on the above linked item when it couldn't emerge video.
20:45 asciilifeform ( re gcc5 : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 )
20:45 a111 Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
20:45 mircea_popescu after eating however many woman-weeks as the stupid shit is wont to do.
20:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 3d gpu on linux is lost cause ages ago
20:46 mircea_popescu pretty much
20:46 asciilifeform blobulated to death
20:46 asciilifeform which is why asciilifeform's boxes run... 2d
20:47 asciilifeform as if year were 1997
20:47 asciilifeform 0 'acceleration'
20:48 asciilifeform and noshit it won't 'emerge video', a stock gentoo won't suck in closed crapolade
20:49 asciilifeform ( unlike 'africa' )
20:49 mircea_popescu pretty sure the bitching is in teh log at the time or something.
20:49 asciilifeform probably
20:52 asciilifeform btw ben_vulpes et al : might be worthwhile to find the last uninfected ver. of xorg.
20:53 asciilifeform and preserve.
20:53 trinque this appears to lead to infinite regress
20:53 asciilifeform trinque: howsthat
20:53 mircea_popescu i briefly tried to do that on s.mg. it... didn't work out.
20:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: say moar?
20:53 trinque asciilifeform: same reason you barfed writing a lisp for x86
20:53 trinque the thing's recursively hairy
20:54 trinque something else will pop out next
20:54 mircea_popescu what's to say. the volume of shit you gotta preserve rapidly expands > the gb. the work your techs are required to do in order to accomplish this scales ~liniarily with the shithub "work" of the maggots.
20:54 asciilifeform trinque: a finite # of these releases, existed... theoretically could try'em all
20:54 mircea_popescu not a sane use of our limited resources.
20:55 asciilifeform ( gentoo per se automates a good chunk of the work. iterate over xorgs until one builds with gcc4... )
20:55 mircea_popescu in theory there's no difference between theory and practice.
20:56 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666252 << as was mentioned in logs before, portage doesn't contain sources. it downloads sources from elsewhere
20:56 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 00:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates?
20:57 asciilifeform phf: i assumed he meant 'the mirrors'
20:57 asciilifeform and point out -- afaik there was never a 'whole world' mirror.
20:58 asciilifeform ( one of the appeals of bsd is that something like it -- existed )
20:59 phf i don't think bsd mirrors it either, it's not mandatory by design anyway
21:00 phf afaiu the only distros that preserve the whole thing are debian and redhat
21:01 asciilifeform rathead preserved sources?!
21:03 phf yeah, i think they package them into srpms, but i'm not sure if they are mandatory step in the distribution process
21:04 asciilifeform i'ma hazard a guess, that you will barf long before ever succeeding in actually tracking down 100% of the src that adds up to a given rathead install.
21:05 phf yeah, cursory interneting reveals as much
21:05 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel_p
21:05 deedbot gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
21:05 phf e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/603865/
21:05 gabriel_laddel_p I don't have the disk space to back these up myself, but someone can start with: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1552071
21:05 a111 Logged on 2016-10-03 21:36 gabriel_laddel: $$ later tell dina_corman gentoo distfile backups
21:05 gabriel_laddel_p If you google for "funtoo distfiles mirror" and review all google results, should provide a decent start.
21:05 ben_vulpes so xorg-drivers 1.18-r1 pulls in xorg-server-1.19.3, which pulls in xorg-drivers-1.19.3 which conflicts with the requested version
21:05 mircea_popescu as i was saying, been there, done that, got no tshirt.
21:06 mircea_popescu there's no problem with the provision of "decent starts".
21:06 asciilifeform 'The use of Git and SSL/TLS sets a very high barrier for in-flight tampering. This is not the point of discussion.' lel
21:06 mircea_popescu that's what this whole tower of idiot boy excrement consists of.
21:06 * ben_vulpes rubs face
21:06 mircea_popescu the idea is to have acceptable ends.
21:07 ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true << this still pulls gcc 5 in, yes?
21:08 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it doesn't cure gcc5ism, no
21:08 asciilifeform now you might try same recipe, cum a gcc5 ban
21:09 asciilifeform see if it ends up pulling last-sane vers of various.
21:09 asciilifeform before you say 'nowai' -- i was equally surprised that the poettering ban worked as well as it did
21:10 asciilifeform (i.e. resulted in a very usable box, that i still use every day)
21:10 asciilifeform the important bit is that it has to be done on a ~virginal~ gentoo
21:10 asciilifeform that hasn't been shat in yet
21:12 ben_vulpes hm
21:12 trinque if you put chromium on it, you're done
21:13 ben_vulpes trinque: kinda what i'm looking at
21:13 asciilifeform btw there is a dbus-remover patch for chromium, somewhere
21:13 asciilifeform i have not tested it.
21:14 trinque then somebody will get in via your unicode parser
21:14 trinque or sound driver via malicious porn soundtrack
21:14 trinque or...
21:15 trinque point being how does one not say to himself, "if connected to net, what you've got there is an NSA terminal, and that's it"
21:15 asciilifeform trinque: in the multiGB tub of liquishit, there are million years' worth of 'surprise'
21:15 asciilifeform it must die.
21:15 asciilifeform all of it.
21:15 trinque obviously what I said.
21:16 trinque considering the million years worth of surprise, I'm inclined to believe that standardization on gentoo or whatever else is insane.
21:17 trinque attacker will know exactly what surprises to apply to all.
21:17 asciilifeform trinque: to the extent gentoo was interesting, it was because it enabled ~nonstandardization~.
21:18 asciilifeform i.e. ~0 required programs.
21:18 asciilifeform ( one weak point -- it did demand python )
21:18 trinque could have, but nobody beat anyone when ebuilds decided to pull down deps out of band into /var/tmp or wherever
21:19 asciilifeform i speak of gentoo in past tense. but it remains that every box i will ever, likely, live to use , will still be made from bricks of the ruins of gentoo, and not from anything else.
21:20 mod6 werd
21:20 trinque asciilifeform: no disagreement there either; here I sit on my own heirloom pistolchair
21:21 asciilifeform because there isn't actually an alternative.
21:21 asciilifeform not if you actually ~work~ with the comp.
21:21 asciilifeform ( vs 'glorified ipad' )
21:23 mircea_popescu trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different".
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21:23 trinque I think phf is right in pointing to old debian cd sets as dep time capsules.
21:24 mircea_popescu i don't. there's nothing to capsule. have some lulz-debian with their epic rngs capsuled ? noty.
21:24 trinque true also.
21:24 mod6 yah, that shit is br0k3d
21:24 mircea_popescu "oh, but we patch that". sure you do. and who's gonna feed the boy genius that manages all the patchcomplexity ?
21:25 mircea_popescu it's "decent starts" all the way down.
21:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666349 << spoken like a true 'my comp is ipad with keyboard' fella.
21:27 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 01:23 mircea_popescu: trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different".
21:27 mircea_popescu dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
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21:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform don't make me dig into what "work" is!11
21:27 trinque asciilifeform: in other threads you're the one making the same claim.
21:27 trinque "no different!!111!!!1!!!1" << moar recognizable?
21:27 trinque :D
21:27 asciilifeform trinque: link?
21:28 trinque you can't recall the "but intel nics" loop yourself?
21:28 mircea_popescu tis a bitter pill this, "computing never actually worked. ever. period."
21:28 trinque not as if I wouldn't like there to be recourse here.
21:29 trinque one advantage of being one of the least educated guys here. "my life is wasted" happened ~decade ago.
21:30 asciilifeform trinque: there was a thread, at one point, with philosophical puzzle -- if chained to wheelbarrow at butugychag, would you rather have one with spikes on handles, or not. or something to this effect.
21:32 asciilifeform trinque: what'd it even mean for life 'not wasted' ? i gotta ask
21:35 trinque to have one's life's work end up on the longest chain, and not discarded.
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21:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666358 << phunphakt: dos drivers (tsr!) exist for ~all recent nic chipsets. i don't even know why, but they do. they figure in my eternal 'reverse rtlink GB chip' thing.
21:36 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 01:27 mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
21:36 asciilifeform ( reasonably compact )
21:36 trinque ada sits down happily on DOS eh?
21:37 asciilifeform trinque: on bare iron, too
21:37 asciilifeform dun really need an os
21:37 asciilifeform ( has own scheduler, for instance )
21:38 asciilifeform dos per se is crippling in re sticking you into 16bit x86 idiot mode
21:38 asciilifeform ( have fun with 640k and segments )
21:40 asciilifeform but for some purposes 640k is 10x moar than you would ever even need,
21:40 asciilifeform e.g. i fully intend a dos port of 'p'.
21:41 asciilifeform ( would need a rs232 FUCKGOATS attached )
21:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666370 << this is quite fundamentally unknowable. e.g., europe was so very certain that it lives on longest chain... and then poof!!!
21:45 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 01:35 trinque: to have one's life's work end up on the longest chain, and not discarded.
21:45 asciilifeform ~gone
21:45 mircea_popescu ayup
21:48 asciilifeform one could ask for, i suppose, 'i dun want to consciously mine on orphan chain', but this is not up to you, and in the degenerate case it reduces to... asking to be stupider
21:48 asciilifeform '...dun want to consciously...'
21:49 trinque point being, someone will have to argue the merits of stacking blocks on linux, and all the other turds contained in the term.
21:50 asciilifeform trinque: as soon as credible alternative -- poof, linux is bad memory
21:50 trinque also, I said "no recourse" earlier and you balked
21:50 trinque now you claim "no recourse"
21:50 trinque so we agree.
21:51 asciilifeform trinque: can take wheelbarrow with spikes, and anal waltz with lube; or without. matter of taste.
21:51 asciilifeform fact: FG would not exist if i had to design and test it on a winblowz box.
21:52 mircea_popescu it's a fortunate thing, then, that nobody's making you do anything.
21:53 asciilifeform eh hey i got another room where i do things for pay, and there are all kinds of horrors there, even winblowz vm
21:53 asciilifeform even crapples
21:54 asciilifeform ( i haven't a nintendo yet, at least!111 )
21:54 mircea_popescu in another castle, there's even an ipad!
21:55 asciilifeform but indeed there exists this marvelous world of items folx made 'because were made to', 'use what you gotta', 'deadline', 'pays the rent', etc. these items are called, generally : shitware.
21:55 asciilifeform it is how shitware reproduces.
21:56 asciilifeform the next fella gets your thing and is ordered to 'make X run..' etc
21:56 asciilifeform naggum described process 'perl accretion' but it applies in general case.
21:57 trinque thus there is no republican linux.
21:58 asciilifeform no republican comp, either
21:58 asciilifeform ( the two, i maintain, are not unrelated )
21:59 asciilifeform it was tricky enough to make 'republican rng', an item closer in order of complexity, to a knife or a fork, than to a comp
21:59 asciilifeform but possibly asciilifeform is just thick
22:01 trinque no, only the latter item is not made by single monk toiling alone
22:01 asciilifeform we don't presently know of any other means of making worthwhile things, sadly.
22:02 asciilifeform mass market --> nintendo.
22:02 asciilifeform want good eats ? cook it. ( or someone close to you -- cooks )
22:02 asciilifeform speakingg of which, brb
22:05 trinque I've seen instances before where a guy made a tool, went around to a few folks showing them "the greatestest X" thinking "they're smart, will pick up my tool and use"
22:05 trinque obviously it's better.
22:05 trinque 0 did.
22:05 * trinque has ever since made his money lifting makework out of incompetents with software, making tools for himself to do so.
22:05 trinque works better in this environment, and I understand why the notion is revolting.
22:06 * trinque brb
22:10 trinque *makework out of incompetents' hands
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