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← 2017-04-27 | 2017-04-29 → ↓
00:24 BingoBoingo The only people really served by mass electrification are marketers
00:26 mircea_popescu how did that go, electricity + power of soviets = socialism ?
00:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D33A6D003FB3DE795015D471B96EEE94F66F6C072D342040BACBCAACA43C526A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1391...5257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.73 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (2709.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
00:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D33A6D003FB3DE795015D471B96EEE94F66F6C072D342040BACBCAACA43C526A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1558...2707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.73 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (2709.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
00:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E513C40B6621513CDF703FE3B0EFDB1B68135E2C9E459CAF01F96CD128EB68A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1458...4359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.131.128.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.131.128.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (netuno.unifei.edu.br. BR)
00:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E513C40B6621513CDF703FE3B0EFDB1B68135E2C9E459CAF01F96CD128EB68A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1494...6389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.131.128.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.131.128.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (netuno.unifei.edu.br. BR)
00:32 phf ^^ http://www.valentin-pikul.ru/images/stories/articles/lampochka.jpg
00:34 mircea_popescu in other electricities, "La exmujer de un oligarca comparte su secreto para ganar dinero en Internet..."
00:36 mircea_popescu truth be told you don't actually need, or for that matter want, electricity to juju worship. be a lot happier with a coupla tubers rather than all this unmanageable complexity
00:36 mircea_popescu and teh juju worship'd come out just as good.
00:46 BingoBoingo That's as a worshipper. As a peddler of a particular juju, electricity helps to sell more jujidgets
00:47 mircea_popescu but it's exactly the same as the rent market : yes, you sell more jujidgets but guess what ? so does everyone else. so now you HAVE TO sell more jujidgets.
00:48 BingoBoingo Or Jewidgets, however the spelling works out
00:48 mircea_popescu electricity is not actually serving you, much like the idea of "stand on tiptoes to see better at ball game" doesn't actually serve you.
00:48 mircea_popescu all you get is... "well now you GOTTA stand on tiptoes, sucker"
00:49 BingoBoingo Well it's inflation. So what about actual value? Gotta march to 120k classroom monitor!
00:53 BingoBoingo So tiptoes on stacked jujewgidgets all because tv said so.
00:58 mircea_popescu sure. but it dun mean they're ~needed~.
01:02 BingoBoingo Naturally. Brb, sleep.
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01:20 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/80D5068863DD5F013D5B4595395297924EC59FF2D20D32347D486BC8648DD427 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1507...1897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.85.175.196 (ssh-rsa key from 193.85.175.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.spih.cz. CZ)
01:20 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/80D5068863DD5F013D5B4595395297924EC59FF2D20D32347D486BC8648DD427 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1715...3769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.85.175.196 (ssh-rsa key from 193.85.175.196 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.spih.cz. CZ)
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01:39 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABED940920ED0364789083EFA6B705C00B3467D5D372FD60803368E66E869800 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1649...7863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.61.96.90 (ssh-rsa key from 79.61.96.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host90-96-static.61-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
01:39 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABED940920ED0364789083EFA6B705C00B3467D5D372FD60803368E66E869800 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1761...1589 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.61.96.90 (ssh-rsa key from 79.61.96.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host90-96-static.61-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
01:48 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C3241B637A9A30400454834C03F9816B3F6AC390A3CBF63CA7102638F841C6B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...2663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.125.200.62 (ssh-rsa key from 85.125.200.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (85-125-200-62.static.upcbusiness.at. AT)
01:48 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C3241B637A9A30400454834C03F9816B3F6AC390A3CBF63CA7102638F841C6B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...9583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.125.200.62 (ssh-rsa key from 85.125.200.62 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (85-125-200-62.static.upcbusiness.at. AT)
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11:22 lobbes http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-04-28.log.html#t06:10:10 << pete_dushenski, if I send a plaintext your way with lobbesbot's commands could you add it to your list?
11:22 lobbesbot Logged on 2017-04-28 06:10:10: <danielpbarron> and a command to query for uncompressed specifics of a named auction
11:22 lobbes Oops, wrong link
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11:46 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
11:47 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1325.09, vol: 7937.54606425 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1290.004, vol: 5832.62338 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1393.5, vol: 12385.97136821 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1131.0029, vol: 9843.39680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1325.343, vol: 3404.35614867 | Volume-weighted last average: 1292.93748819
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12:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64B6EAF797B208717F4341A4F1251FB212242560F4A4BAF5CC1FD6E6FFD673E6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...6903 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.29.51 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.29.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (m18s17.vlinux.de. DE)
12:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64B6EAF797B208717F4341A4F1251FB212242560F4A4BAF5CC1FD6E6FFD673E6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...6529 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.29.51 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.29.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (m18s17.vlinux.de. DE)
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13:07 lobbes http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/28/trump-presidency-easier-previous-life-237728?cmpid=sf << In other lulz, Trump starts coming to grips with his being 70 years old
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13:27 deedbot http://cascadianhacker.com/a-brief-foray-into-the-swamp-of-trb-boost-usage << CH - A Brief Foray Into The Swamp of TRB Boost Usage
13:29 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i must confess -- the font on your www is barely readable on my boxes. gloms horizontally.
13:29 asciilifeform like misadjusted electric typewriter.
13:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i must confess -- styling html makes me impotent
13:33 asciilifeform how about ~not~ styling it.
13:33 asciilifeform like qntra.
13:33 asciilifeform would do a world'o'good.
13:33 asciilifeform it is driving me batshit that this liquishit font is even ~on~ my box.
13:33 asciilifeform (why??)
13:34 asciilifeform i'm half-convinced that just about all commonplace linux fonts were specially made by wreckers in '90s.
13:34 ben_vulpes unrelatedly https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/04/12000-luxury-fyre-festival-is-basically-a-disaster-zone/
13:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/grr.png
13:38 asciilifeform also your last link is broken
13:39 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ty
13:40 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what means "gloms horizontally"?
13:40 asciilifeform see screenshit
13:41 ben_vulpes i am looking. what in particular are you objecting to?
13:41 asciilifeform the characters TOUCH. it is physically painful to read.
13:41 ben_vulpes gotcha
13:41 ben_vulpes yeah that sucks
13:44 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: better?
13:44 asciilifeform yes!!
13:44 asciilifeform ty ben_vulpes .
13:45 ben_vulpes no thank you
13:45 Framedragger verdana sucks. especially when it's not antialiased
13:50 Framedragger actually interestingly, trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i think that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what that even
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14:14 BingoBoingo Seriously, the correct answer is to not style web text.
14:14 BingoBoingo Let reader of text assign style
14:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: one problem -- some things MUST be monospaced.
14:15 asciilifeform ( imho -- i'd much rather have everything monospace, if could only have one. )
14:15 Framedragger thing is, you can monospace with <pre> and let browser decide on monospaced font, too
14:16 asciilifeform aha
14:16 Framedragger so shouldn't be a prob.
14:16 asciilifeform but this in re BingoBoingo's 'just don't style'
14:16 asciilifeform but if you don't know how to style correctly -- then, yes, don't.
14:16 Framedragger you can view <pre> as a content/semantic tag, and 'style' would be 'shit in css'. i mean, if we truly believed in content/form separation on the web
14:17 ben_vulpes web is not even a place where "words have meaning"
14:18 ben_vulpes browser authors happily route around eg multiple identical ids on same page
14:18 Framedragger it's the ultimate zoo, what can i say
14:19 ben_vulpes ultimate poo
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15:15 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> but this in re BingoBoingo's 'just don't style' << <pre> isn't style, it's semantic
15:16 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Any thoughts towards the agriCltural Supremacy Challenge
15:17 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i thought about looking up local fairs
15:18 ben_vulpes but digesting other people's abstractions distracted me
15:19 BingoBoingo It's not such a bad thing
15:22 danielpbarron !!v 14AAE3891C27B0694C3B0DAF888335CD80BBA0E06A1AF618A4A532EBDDA7AFC4
15:22 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 4 to -4 << Stupid harlot, segwit shill, self-admitted enemy of the republic
15:33 mats lel
15:34 ben_vulpes theeeere it is
15:34 ben_vulpes self-admitted enemy of the republic is a new one, gotta citation on hand danielpbarron ?
15:35 ben_vulpes for my lulzporium
15:40 danielpbarron http://i.imgur.com/79t5xNm.jpg
15:44 Framedragger meh. if i was told out of the blue like that, i may respond the same :) (contra is of course "ignorance is not an excuse")
15:44 trinque man, I was hoping for some kind of spy vs spy situation where danielpbarron thwarted her honeydicking
15:45 Framedragger totally
15:45 danielpbarron there is no out of the blue about it
15:46 danielpbarron i have spent considerable time in person with her in which she is very friendly, and she knows well about tmsr, this goes back several years
15:47 Framedragger oh lol, okay, that will do heh
15:47 trinque danielpbarron: I always take "anarchist chick" as "I have daddy problems omg look at me breaking the rules"
15:47 danielpbarron i've met her dad. he's a nice guy
15:48 mats busy building a brand and appearing on cringey venues like 'anarchast' and 'anarchapulco'
15:48 mircea_popescu is that good for the anarchy within ?
15:49 mats good if you want to be roger ver and Bitcoin Mary
15:51 mircea_popescu trinque since we're on it, what do you take "lesbian" as ?
15:52 trinque I've seen both "I hate taking baths" and "holy shit there are zero acceptable men in my wot" variants
15:53 danielpbarron unrelatedly, trinque why can't i deed stuff? i tried again with a smaller thing and i got the same result. bot says "deeds online" much later but my entry isn't on the website
15:53 trinque be specific
15:53 trinque you're deeding huge items yes?
15:54 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647644
15:54 a111 Logged on 2017-04-24 08:04 danielpbarron: !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64.asc
15:54 danielpbarron this one is ~300 M
15:54 trinque couldn't like...
15:54 trinque deed a hash?
15:54 danielpbarron i asked if i should do that and someone specifically told me to do it this way
15:54 trinque otherwise your feature request is noted and I'll have to do something about eating bigger files
15:54 mircea_popescu i recall that conversation.
15:57 trinque know what? I bet it's just a timeout happening
15:59 trinque nope, ram limitation lol
16:00 trinque danielpbarron: I'm gonna stop my bitcoin node a sec
16:01 trinque poar past trinque said to himself "ah this thing's for text, whole download in ram no problem"
16:03 asciilifeform !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DJJ8J/?raw=true << possibly of interest
16:03 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:04 asciilifeform ^ with constant-time mul
16:05 asciilifeform ( and various other useful things )
16:05 asciilifeform does anybody have a favourite constant-time modular-exp ??
16:05 asciilifeform ( is one even known to exist..? )
16:09 trinque !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64.asc
16:14 trinque danielpbarron: where is this going? infinite Eulora kids going to download it?
16:14 trinque the pipe on this box is not unmetered.
16:16 danielpbarron i wanted to preserve a copy of it for the future in case it's no longer available anywhere else
16:17 * mircea_popescu is still searching for where thid discussion happened
16:17 danielpbarron most noobs do the windows thing and don't need the linux drivers
16:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638343 << there
16:18 a111 Logged on 2017-04-05 22:36 danielpbarron: what is the proper way to deed such an item? clearsign the sha512sum ?
16:20 ben_vulpes IT WAS ME
16:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649343 << it actually will use whatever you want, has a whole list.
16:21 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 17:50 Framedragger: actually interestingly, trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i think that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what that even
16:21 mircea_popescu some people end up with dual char mode because no chinese support in the default.
16:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i hope you bought a cape by now.
16:21 trinque lol
16:22 ben_vulpes cape, top hat, and cane
16:22 trinque danielpbarron: anyhow for now I request that you use deedbot as something to check against, and not as a CDN/archive.is
16:22 ben_vulpes plus a handicapped sticker
16:22 ben_vulpes it's a real site watching me haul my broken carcass out of the muscle car
16:22 ben_vulpes sight*
16:30 danielpbarron trinque, ok
16:31 trinque I can help ya make it eat more large objects (don't mind the archivng) but eventually it's going to need to either deplete the deed author's wallet account for $amountOfBitsServed, or something along those lines
16:31 trinque at which point I'd be more than happy to serve up whichever bits forever
16:31 trinque obviously I'll also make special cases for things like trb deeds.
16:36 mircea_popescu yeah, how's the whole dwallet coming along ?
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16:39 pete_dushenski lobbes: of course.
16:39 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649251 << as the case currency stands with regards to tox, the saddest thing about it is not its pos code, pos design (i think there are some attempts to have a design?), but that some arguably should-know-better smart people are sinking time into it
16:39 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 03:34 mircea_popescu: anyway. anyone seen that tox thing ?
16:40 mircea_popescu this is so totally novel a situation ;/
16:40 Framedragger this one recent time, an actually decent outside person reported a fixable vuln in their craptography https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/issues/426
16:40 Framedragger folks went defensive. very barf
16:41 * Framedragger actually went on their channel (whichever it was, they have like tox-talk and -dev and just tox or sth) to see if any clever people. yes, one iphy (also on ##crypto) understood that (1) it was an issue and (2) these other 'core member' fuckwits were destroying any goodwill
16:42 Framedragger i think in the end they managed to address the fact that they should address it
16:42 Framedragger that exhausted my curiosity, tho
16:42 mircea_popescu but then he promotes "the noise protocol framework"
16:42 mircea_popescu which is one synergy short of a buzz cut.
16:42 Framedragger here i have a problem because i don't think noise is necessarily bad; or that e.g. signal protocol is necessarily bad (yes names are barf'y)
16:43 Framedragger i mean, 'compared to what'. certainly not compared to asciilifeform's actually-fucking-constant-time crypto architecture
16:43 mircea_popescu does it not seem to you that a protocol framework (ie, some sort of method for "creating" or "tailoring" protocols) is broken in the head ?
16:43 Framedragger oops by 'certainly not' i meant 'certainly pos compared to alf's
16:44 Framedragger hold on, that does sound retarted
16:44 mircea_popescu even if we don't consider practical experience (hey, automake tried to be a makefile framework yes ?) and only focus on the theoretical aspect
16:44 Framedragger ah. well, i thought it was a set of lower-level crypto interfaces on which you could build higher-level protocols
16:44 Framedragger naming is shit, yeah
16:44 Framedragger i'm not convinced it's a very bad idea. i'm not advocating such 'we love complexiti' architecture of course
16:45 mircea_popescu to put it another way : when a fundamental problem is well understood enough to approach conclusively, and yet the approach eschews creating a standard in favour of preserving choice, the signal is that the problem was NOT actually understood enough.
16:45 mircea_popescu ie, a "protocol framework" is definitionally premature.
16:45 mircea_popescu either you have a protocol standard, or else you have more prototyping work to do.
16:46 mircea_popescu (at least that's what i parse the words to mean, framework = "standard with a lot of user serviceable knobs")
16:46 Framedragger i think by 'you can create protocol' they meant a high degree of abstraction kind of protocol. e.g. stateless or stateful transport security, etc.
16:47 mircea_popescu and who's going to cover the edge case interplay three feet deep ?
16:47 Framedragger makes sense to have core building blocks. i see protocol framework here in the sense of openssl being a protocol framework
16:47 mircea_popescu openssl is woefully insecure!
16:47 Framedragger yesyes, many issues, sure. and in regards to openssl, you know what i meant, the interfaces that the openssl library exports to its operators
16:48 mircea_popescu the... what ?
16:48 Framedragger the fact that interfaces implement literal crap in the case of openssl is of course not the best advertising for a simile...
16:48 mircea_popescu you mean that it runs on linux and consequently you can process its output ?
16:48 Framedragger no, i mean that you can embed it in your $crapchatapp and not worry about IV reuse
16:49 mircea_popescu the part that enables you to not worry thus is in your head not in the openssl.
16:49 Framedragger (you can use more general methods which abstract away the internals)
16:49 mircea_popescu i'd fucking worry. and i'd have great cause to worry, too.
16:49 Framedragger because of openssl or because of this abstraction?
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16:50 mircea_popescu because nobody actually looked at all the edge cases, on the assumption that they were only generated through the interplay of idle abstraction and will "never be encountered in practice"
16:50 mircea_popescu which is of course what your crapapp will do post haste, if you've any luck.
16:50 Framedragger i thought you were *for* a crypto library where operator would not have to use (by which i mean abuse, because he will) low level primitives?
16:51 Framedragger damn i need semantic search on logs
16:51 mircea_popescu let's revisit the early cs classes. if you have state machine A, with 4 states, and state machine B, with 5 states, the composed mechanism AB has... 20 states.
16:51 mircea_popescu abstraction has this cost, that if i have to maintain AB i spend twice the time if i maintained an A and a B.
16:52 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649427 << got some needed hardware to pick up at the post office tomorrow, and a bunch of code to deploy to it, then testing.
16:52 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 20:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, how's the whole dwallet coming along ?
16:52 trinque questions remain on how best to handle incoming deposits; I hear ben_vulpes might be working on something to help
16:52 mircea_popescu if your protocol is, for the sake of this argument, a state machine with about 150k states, and then the "framework" is a further state machine with about a half million or so states, your protocol framework escapes security as a fundamental property of it.
16:53 mircea_popescu trinque epic.
16:53 ben_vulpes trinque: output dumper's not entirely done but closeish
16:53 ben_vulpes gotta back out the c++11 work, implement a predicate and test the shit out of it
16:53 Framedragger mircea_popescu: no disagreement. i honestly don't know re framework, i do think they just abused a term (which isn't a great signal)
16:53 Framedragger mircea_popescu: even then, yes, explosion of statespace, sure
16:54 mircea_popescu see, naggum's (correct) advice in that piece ##crypto barfed at was... MAKE YOUR TAILORED CL!
16:54 mircea_popescu not "download the latest cl framework". that's the opposite approach/.
16:55 ben_vulpes current thinking in re testing dumper is to solo mine and test but that's a not-small pile of test harness to write
16:55 mircea_popescu even more directly : every kid who ever tried maintaining a machine, be it linux, bsd, anything, knows very directly the problem with this framework thing. apt-get is guess what ? a package framework. what's its principal function on anyone's machine ? that it imports packages you a) didn't want or need and b) turned out vulnerable.
16:56 mircea_popescu but to return upstack : if i can't enumerate the states of my machine, i will thus therefore worry about it ending up in a state i can't predict, understand or recover. this is rational.
16:57 Framedragger mircea_popescu: well, you're right, damn. looking at list of thing signal gives though, it's just clean functions for doing crypto. i dunno. i think in the case of tox, its crypto may actually map well to noise, in the sense of them being able to just use stuff that noise provides, and not reimplement same shit in broken fashion
16:58 mircea_popescu (predict : i know what it will do in the future ; understand : i know what it is doing now ; recover : i separated it from what it did in the past.)
16:58 Framedragger but then that whole ecosystem may need to die before there is good in the world.
16:58 ben_vulpes awww he's coming around
16:58 mircea_popescu well, maybe. i'm not really able to evaluate a framework rightnao.
16:58 Framedragger i just thought, asciilifeform's bignumtron is probably not even turing complete yes? if it's not, that *a big plus*
16:58 * Framedragger not ignorant of problem
16:59 trinque nor ignorant in general, but ever wanting to think the best of people, eh?
16:59 Framedragger s/signal/noise/ ^
16:59 trinque THAT HYMEN POPS WITH AGE
16:59 trinque lol
16:59 Framedragger maybe 'tis my function, the forum clown :p
16:59 Framedragger well no clown's function may be more complex
16:59 * ben_vulpes hands Framedragger the cap, nose
17:00 mircea_popescu lol
17:00 * ben_vulpes swirls cape, disappears in flash of powder
17:00 * Framedragger checks clock, 10pm, tilts head, office space, mk
17:06 mircea_popescu oook this bahamas thing is pretty lulzy.
17:12 asciilifeform Framedragger: how, precisely, is any bignumtron possibly turing-complete ?!
17:12 asciilifeform by itself, that is
17:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649464 << gotta understand the principle : if martians landed tonight, and fixed, somehow, all of the bugs in openssl, and god signed off that there are no more -- openssl will STILL be a turd, because does not fit in head !
17:14 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 20:49 Framedragger: because of openssl or because of this abstraction?
17:14 asciilifeform the cost of using an item that does not fit in head, is essentially the cognitive equivalent of curl liquishit | bash .
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17:17 asciilifeform 'Perhaps Tox doesn't care about this, or about many of the threat models that modern AKEs are designed to protect against, in which case, probably it's fine to continue using your homebrewed crypto. But if you actually desire some kind of high assurance security, I strongly recommend not building your own protocols and instead use something designed by an educated expert, such as Noise.' << lol , schneier never dies.
17:18 asciilifeform instead he reincarnates as 10,001 cryptoderps
17:18 mircea_popescu the martians didn't make the usg, no.
17:19 asciilifeform 'You might benefit from a bit of humility before comparing your protocol to OTR and SIGMA, both of which were groundbreaking works created by experts, as opposed to a slapdash protocol...'
17:19 asciilifeform experts.
17:19 asciilifeform didjaknow.
17:21 asciilifeform and in the end, 'We acknowledge that the issue exists and will work towards fixing it. ... I will say this very clearly once again: there is an avoidable security flaw in the Tox handshake. This is not something someone made up. The effect is that if your secret key is stolen, an attacker can impersonate anyone to you. We will fix this issue, most likely by adopting Noise for handshakes.'
17:21 asciilifeform schneier won this one.
17:22 asciilifeform 'what, you idiot niggers really thought that pygmies can run a country ? only yale graduates can run a country, shut up get back on yer knees'
17:24 mircea_popescu hey, it's a framework.
17:24 asciilifeform waiwat
17:25 Framedragger ^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
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17:25 trinque I remember the church derps used to say things like "there's a god-shaped hole in everyone". The homoeroticism of that aside, does appear that there's a "metaphysical domination" shaped hole in most folks. looks like this when nobody in your land bothers to stick it in.
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17:25 Framedragger (re. else, later, moving self. but just a quick note re turing complete, well yes a bignumtron should not in itself be turing complete, but i wasn't sure how much additional stuff was planned on top)
17:26 trinque "oh I'll run around and gargle ideological cum from wherever I find it, invariably because of my own wish fulfillment fantasies and onanisms"
17:26 trinque see ##crypto
17:26 asciilifeform Framedragger: the only thing planned on top is a finite-step rpn calculator thing.
17:26 Framedragger right, right, i should have known (you had mentioned this). cool :)
17:27 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581753 << thread . )
17:27 a111 Logged on 2016-12-11 21:09 asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it.
17:28 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer
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17:28 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 21:14 asciilifeform: the cost of using an item that does not fit in head, is essentially the cognitive equivalent of curl liquishit | bash .
17:28 * Framedragger bbl
17:28 asciilifeform in particular, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581793
17:28 a111 Logged on 2016-12-11 21:24 asciilifeform: for instance, p code is required to first thing put on the stack 1) how many p-instrs are permitted 2) how many bits wide the fixints are
17:28 asciilifeform Framedragger: the first step, as the quitting drinkin' folx say, 'is to realize that you have a problem'
17:28 asciilifeform which means NO NEW NONFITTINGINHEAD items!!
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17:29 asciilifeform and a monotonic reduction in old ones.
17:29 asciilifeform until -- gone.
17:29 Framedragger guess so.
17:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649519 << somebody with your key, in fact ~is~ you. just the same as if he had killed, skinned you, and put on your skin.
17:32 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 21:25 Framedragger: ^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
17:32 asciilifeform any pretense to the contrary is fundamentally dishonest.
17:32 mircea_popescu trinque the hole stuff is eerily apt for the article i'm just brewing.
17:32 asciilifeform there is no longer ~a~ you, once enemy has your privkey.
17:33 * trinque just surfing the republican vortex
17:33 asciilifeform there is only then a privkey suffering from split-brain disease.
17:33 Framedragger (what if it's a station key? what if you wanted to be alerted of 'key stolen!')
17:33 asciilifeform Framedragger: who will alert you of this ? martians ?
17:33 asciilifeform how do you propose to mechanically determine that a key has been stolen.
17:34 Framedragger other people, e.g., who yes will be alerting both you and other-you
17:34 Framedragger could just be a social thing, someone literally using your key
17:34 asciilifeform who will know about it exactly how ??
17:34 asciilifeform has Framedragger finally discovered the ancient dream of riaa, the magical bits that tattle when copies ?
17:34 Framedragger it's not deterministic, it's not guaranteed, it's pretty crap, yes, but given the option?..
17:34 asciilifeform what option !
17:35 asciilifeform describe, for my enlightenment, the actual algo contemplated, Framedragger
17:35 asciilifeform bool HasBeenStolen(PrivKey) -- if you like.
17:35 asciilifeform how's it work ?
17:36 Framedragger no, there is no such thing, i said it's social. but hold on:
17:36 Framedragger it's not an algo, i was referring to a possible fix of a further bad-thing that happens when key stolen. bad-thing is: once your key stolen, attacker (in that broken tox scheme) can impersonate as *anyone* *to* you.
17:36 asciilifeform he can also log into your box, say, and impersonate ~that~ way.
17:36 asciilifeform or format your hd.
17:36 asciilifeform or whichever.
17:37 asciilifeform for any practical purpose, he ~is~ you.
17:37 Framedragger so if you have your friend bob's key and bob writes you "dude key stolen wtf", you know that shit went down. but now, attacker can be 100 bobs, with 'signed messages' or whatever, telling you "no don't listen to this impersonator not-bob, you're fine"
17:37 Framedragger i do not believe in "single key" thing. there is main-key. but you can have station keys. which can't format hdd. that's slippery slope
17:37 asciilifeform Framedragger: how do you intend to distinguish this situation from impostor ?
17:38 Framedragger if scheme works as it should, you get a signed message from bob and you know it's bob who sent it to you.
17:38 asciilifeform ... or the thief
17:38 Framedragger the idea is that your key was not stolen while attacker had root access to your box.
17:38 asciilifeform or bob-with-splitbrainsyndrome
17:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think he's thinking, basically, of divorce.
17:38 mircea_popescu "this woman is not the woman i married"
17:38 Framedragger no, wait, it's *you* who lost the key, not bob.
17:39 asciilifeform Framedragger: describe, in this hypothetical, how my station key was stolen.
17:39 Framedragger oh god.
17:39 Framedragger i typed it into irc while sleeping.
17:39 asciilifeform why you would not also type the 'master' key ?
17:39 mircea_popescu so basically if master key annuls a key it is thereby annulled ?
17:40 Framedragger i don't have a super-plausible scenario. i'm saying such scenario is possible; scheme used by tox can 'minimise damage' (i realise that it's a funny word when describing 'key stolen'); it doesn't, hence that complaint on shithub.
17:41 Framedragger is end of story. not very interesting, yes
17:41 asciilifeform 'i won't describe how an elephant could get to your garden, but your household is not equipped for gardening without this elephant repellent' ?
17:41 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i don't think the discussion about say gossipd station keys vs 'main key' was necessarily finished? i realise that it ain't pretty
17:42 mircea_popescu i dunno, go on ?
17:42 Framedragger asciilifeform: they were already using a scheme which was supposed to protect it, but broke the spec, and implemented poorly. i don't remember but it's probably fixable without migrating to snakeoil or whatever framework
17:42 ben_vulpes good crypto lib name
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17:42 Framedragger mircea_popescu: would love to but not tonight. is big topic!
17:43 Framedragger goddamn tmsr timezones cockblocking muh sleep
17:44 asciilifeform we definitely had the 'key revocation' thread.
17:44 asciilifeform several times, even.
17:44 Framedragger was it conclusive?
17:45 asciilifeform e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527885
17:45 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 21:44 asciilifeform: revocation is a ~promise~, in that there is not such a thing, and never will be such a thing, as a magical lever that instantly makes a key stop working.
17:47 mircea_popescu well, as conclusive as it gets. see the gossipd design document comment section.
17:48 asciilifeform the meaningful subset of 'key revocation' consists of solely those operations which you can do ~in your head~
17:48 asciilifeform e.g., to decide not to make use of a particular key any longer.
17:49 asciilifeform 'i will no longer include 1024b rsa keys in my ~/.wot' , for instance.
17:49 asciilifeform or 'i will never again sign with my dsa key'
17:49 asciilifeform but what you ~cannot~ do is to perform an operation in ~other people's heads~.
17:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527876 << moar.
17:56 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 21:41 asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
17:56 pete_dushenski https://github.com/paritytech/parity-bitcoin << new node software backed by f2pool, haobtc, and bitmain. because you're not cool if you don't have your own alt-trbf.
17:56 mircea_popescu and sometimes not even if you do have it.
17:56 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: shitlang bitcointrons ain't new, iirc even mike hearn had one
17:57 mircea_popescu anyway, it's a funnysituation this, miners just can't stick to mining. gotta gravitate towards the flame. so what if ~only thing flame does is burn butterflies.
17:57 mircea_popescu love knows no such worries!
17:57 pete_dushenski i dun recall shitrons being published directly by miners but i may be forgetting one.
17:58 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: for starters, gotta question the sanity of anybody publicly claiming to mine.
17:58 asciilifeform ( and to keep in mind that there live man more liars than lunatics )
17:58 pete_dushenski some moths haven't been burned before. like ever.
17:58 asciilifeform *many
18:01 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/unVPU << related (antbleed - bitmain). " We planned to add this feature to the code to empower customers to control their miners which often times can be hosted outside their premises. This was after more than one incident of miners being stolen from a mining farm or being hijacked by the operator of the mining farm"
18:01 pete_dushenski "This feature was intended to allow the owners of Antminer to remotely shut down their miners that may have been stolen or hijacked by their hosting service provider, and to also provide law enforcement agencies with more tracking information in such cases. We never intended to use this feature on any Antminer without authorization from its owner."
18:02 asciilifeform 'hijacked by the operator' lolwat?!!
18:02 asciilifeform aaahahahaha
18:02 pete_dushenski these are the people who 'should be more sane' but... aren't. quite clearly.
18:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this happened at least two times i know of.
18:03 mircea_popescu "operator" ie, kid actually on the grounds.
18:03 mircea_popescu think "tech support" in mid sized corp.
18:05 asciilifeform 'kid on site' could also pour petrol, and light match.
18:05 asciilifeform what drm nonsense to cure this ?
18:06 mircea_popescu hey, i am not defending their contortions, i am speaking as to fact.
18:07 asciilifeform and let's imagine that mircea_popescu found remotely-detonatable mine in his mercedes, and astonished to learn that it was part of the ~factory~ standard kit, and answer from vendor was 'this was, ummm, here, umm, in case someone were to STEAL your auto, believe'
18:07 asciilifeform ( laugh , but usg made this mandatory on, e.g., boeing !! )
18:08 mircea_popescu there are some items that have charge on yu
18:08 mircea_popescu yes&
18:08 mircea_popescu iirc the "response bots" also.
18:08 deedbot No messages were found.
18:08 asciilifeform what's a response bot
18:09 asciilifeform 'FOF' beacon ?
18:09 mircea_popescu no, those police bot things
18:09 trinque danielpbarron: looks like that one can't make it through with the current code.
18:10 deedbot deeds online
18:10 mircea_popescu in fairness, asc also rather wasteful for large files.
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18:49 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/friday-was-a-good-day/ << Trilema - Friday was a good day.
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19:12 asciilifeform ocelots!!
19:12 mircea_popescu hehehe
19:13 BingoBoingo Dark girls!
19:14 mircea_popescu also!
19:16 shinohai Birds!
19:16 BingoBoingo JAIL BIRDS!!!
19:16 * shinohai is obsessed with birds
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19:19 pete_dushenski in related metaphysical sciences, "Multivariate linear regression analysis indicated that lifetime psychedelic use (but not lifetime cocaine use or weekly alcohol consumption) positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views, after accounting for potential confounding variables. Ego dissolution experienced during a
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19:19 pete_dushenski participant's "most intense" psychedelic experience positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views."
19:20 pete_dushenski shinohai: lel i read 'bards' and thought 'shakespeare'
19:21 shinohai lol
19:21 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn't pan out.
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19:21 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/purdue-university-bails-out-bezos-bezzle-bungle/ << Qntra - Purdue University Bails Out Bezos Bezzle Bungle
19:21 BingoBoingo In the bung hole
19:21 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: not for you!
19:22 pete_dushenski for ~many~ i know in meatspace, worked like a charm, which is how http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/06/a-not-so-new-era-begins-in-alberta-politics/ came to be.
19:22 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> participant's "most intense" psychedelic experience positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views." << Cocaine use positively correlates with an interest in having money
19:23 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: elaborate. what, they were entirely sane prior, and heiled clitler there ever after the dose ??
19:23 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: though causal arrow impossible to draw
19:24 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: this distinction hasn't been noted within individuals so much as between them. same as per this study afaict.
19:24 asciilifeform 'get married, grow taller!'
19:24 asciilifeform snoar.
19:24 pete_dushenski 'listen to bach, grow smarter!' idem.
19:25 pete_dushenski anyways, i thought it was being a ceo that made one taller
19:25 asciilifeform it worx great; done in same clinic where they paint you black to lengthen cock
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19:26 pete_dushenski something about incidence of men >6'5" being <1% in general population but ~20% amongst fortune 500 ceos
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19:26 BingoBoingo Fortune 500 CEO's are hired to project appearance of dominance, not actually be dominant
19:27 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: same clinic also sells 'dubs' for car. lead to whole 'dub culture' in early 2000s. deuce-deuces!
19:28 asciilifeform i assume 'dubs' are the 'torpedo' you bolt to the boot, with the flames painted on ?
19:28 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: depends on the co.
19:29 pete_dushenski or maybe it doesn't depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so...
19:30 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: your wisdom of the streets knows no bounds :p
19:30 pete_dushenski then again, steve j. was fired then hired.
19:30 asciilifeform 'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine.
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19:30 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> or maybe it doesn't depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so... << Fortune 500 usually rides on inertia rather than continued interest of founder in concern
19:31 asciilifeform 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura.
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19:31 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: one wonders what the attendees were seasoned with. salt ? paprika ? a dash of lemon zest ?
19:32 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura. << Hey, thanks to "Real World" cryptographers you too can walk the street wearing privacy invisible pants
19:32 * asciilifeform was once sent, as 'industrial' non-talking delegate, to a lavish usg-hosted gathering of 'seasoned cryptographers'. it was mega-circus, iirc i described it in old thread.
19:34 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474772 << possible thread. )
19:34 a111 Logged on 2016-06-01 17:44 mircea_popescu: sure.
19:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537407 << , etc.
19:36 a111 Logged on 2016-09-08 17:31 asciilifeform: the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit
19:45 pete_dushenski in other alt-civilisations : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gSp9nXkAAdI_-.jpg
19:47 asciilifeform i dun recall any of these nongreen colours on the prophet's banner.
19:47 phf asciilifeform: thanks for the ada updates, i was reading knuth's book 3 on arbitrary precision multiplication, so you're 20 steps ahead of me
19:47 asciilifeform phf: the given algo isn't even 'adult', it's the old ancient egyptian one.
19:48 asciilifeform but worx.
19:48 asciilifeform ( for the given purpose )
19:48 asciilifeform what i don't yet have is a fixed-time modular exponentiator.
19:48 phf so my very very naive algo takes 120 seconds to expt 2345 to 5678
19:48 asciilifeform apparently this might be an open problem, of sorts
19:48 phf err 170s
19:49 pete_dushenski in other walls, https://www.dezeen.com/2017/04/25/turkey-completes-first-phase-900-kilometre-wall-syrian-border/
19:49 phf which i think should be considered a kind of upper bound (this is the most naive algo, without making it intentionally retarded)
19:49 asciilifeform ( best mod exp algo i've found appears to be 'montgomery's ladder', but i am not convinced that it can be made fixed-time )
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19:50 asciilifeform phf: egyptian algo is , afaik, the simplest that's at all practical
19:50 phf in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn't seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow
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19:50 asciilifeform ( repeated addition is not exactly physically plausible for 64b, much less 8192b multiplicand..)
19:51 asciilifeform phf: karatsuba's algo is in knuth
19:51 asciilifeform ( and gpg )
19:51 asciilifeform however it is unsuitable, because it branches.
19:51 phf right, i figure as much from reading cmucl's source code (which uses k.)
19:51 asciilifeform k incidentally died not long ago iirc
19:52 asciilifeform was a titan of a man.
19:52 asciilifeform ( karatsuba, that is. knuth afaik zombies along still. )
19:52 phf philistine that i am, for a longest time i thought karatsuba was japanese..
19:52 asciilifeform lol!!
19:53 phf i.e. ka-ra-tsu-ba
19:53 asciilifeform http://www.mi.ras.ru/~karatsuba << subj.
19:55 asciilifeform phf: https://archive.is/j4Lue >> 'Умножение многозначных чисел на автоматах' (1962), subj2
19:56 asciilifeform hmm, cut off
19:56 phf aah cheers
19:58 asciilifeform anyway the pdf loads.
20:00 asciilifeform phf: you will notice, i also 'de-optimized' some of the arithmetical functions, to help clarity.
20:00 asciilifeform imho it does not particularly matter if generating rsa key takes a second, an hour, or an entire day.
20:01 asciilifeform if rsatron becomes slightly more readable, and a dozen lines shorter, and less 'clever', and as result generating key takes two days instead of 1 -- i call it a win!!
20:02 * phf nods
20:02 asciilifeform observe also the 'mux', it is fundamental building block for nonbranching ops.
20:03 phf vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don't share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
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20:03 asciilifeform i bet most of these were simply never scanned.
20:05 phf probably not. unless there's a djvu archive somewhere of "доклады академии наук ссср"
20:05 mats http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630579 << similarly, did amd mole get a red star for 'f00f' bug? ;)
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20:05 a111 Logged on 2017-03-21 18:03 asciilifeform pictures intel mole getting 'order of wintel red star' pinned on his uniform
20:09 mats relatedly - a trivia q i didn't know the answer to, until it was shared - what is the proper way to test for support for the cmpxchg8b instruction?
20:10 asciilifeform mats: run it and see if trap? like any other oddball instr?
20:17 mats allegedly some non-intel CPUs lied in CPUID, and some had MSRs to address but others didn't - some bios would set the MSR bit, and others wouldn't even when it was available
20:18 mats the provided answer was - first test for Intel CPU with CPUID (so you don't trigger f00f) and then for anything GenuineIntel, run it and check for undefined opcode exception
20:20 mats Transmeta and Rise processors both had issues with it
20:25 asciilifeform i'd naively suppose that there are more 'cyrix' left in operation today than 'transmeta'.
20:29 mats why did transmeta die? it predates my interest in computers
20:30 mats i remember reading about it years after the fact, 'brightest minds' working on it and so on
20:32 asciilifeform was a pretty typical 'brightest minds' tarpit, aha. 0 useful product.
20:33 asciilifeform linus, involved, iirc. never mentions it today.
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20:41 mats hpa, paul allen, too. my impression is he didn't really do anything besides lend his minor celebrity to the org
20:43 mats think he ported linux kernel to their chipset but no record of anything else
20:43 mats made out like a bandit with those shares, i hope
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21:00 phf asciilifeform: hey, how's overflow supposed to work in your fz_mul?
21:00 phf (i'm on train so might disappear)
21:00 phf i'm doing 2345x1 on ffa(64*5, u64) and it's giving me overflow 1
21:03 asciilifeform phf: paste whole routine plox?
21:04 phf FZ_Set(A, 2345);
21:04 phf FZ_Set(B, 1);
21:04 phf FZ_Mul(A, B, R, Overflow);
21:04 phf Dump(R);
21:04 phf package Foo is new ffa(Width => 64*5,
21:04 phf Word => Unsigned_64);
21:04 phf use Foo;
21:04 phf err
21:04 phf Dump(Overflow);
21:05 phf gives 929, 1
21:11 * asciilifeform looks
21:13 asciilifeform 2345 = 0x929 ...
21:13 phf correct, but why overflow
21:19 phf (about to hit comm dead zone, be back in an hour or so, but will check log on hpone)
21:25 asciilifeform actually this is a 'classy' bug, turns out
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21:25 asciilifeform does anybody want to try his hand at it before i post answer ?
21:27 phf asciilifeform: i want to
21:27 phf post tomorrow
21:27 asciilifeform aite.
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21:43 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/229639940255F1BC2F610ECBCD63FEF5F5602846C6BADE6A6D2DF4E04882684A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1647...9399 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.20.131.4 (ssh-rsa key from 163.20.131.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TW)
21:43 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/229639940255F1BC2F610ECBCD63FEF5F5602846C6BADE6A6D2DF4E04882684A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...7973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '163.20.131.4 (ssh-rsa key from 163.20.131.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TW)
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22:38 lobbes pete_dushenski, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VOmlr/?raw=true
22:39 lobbes and thank you sir!
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23:48 asciilifeform http://www.nugae.com/encryption/index.htm << one of those rare, 1990s people-who-are-people .
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