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00:54 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C861200A12C782F8C27435D1223E05DD34AAE06645C9EC8DDE66F522B4A5ED3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1403...7473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.121.219.26 (ssh-rsa key from 91.121.219.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mx.heynen.biz. BE)
00:54 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C861200A12C782F8C27435D1223E05DD34AAE06645C9EC8DDE66F522B4A5ED3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1614...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.121.219.26 (ssh-rsa key from 91.121.219.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mx.heynen.biz. BE)
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03:05 ben_vulpes "The Bindmans LLP law firm, acting on behalf of (green party, house of lords rep) Jones, contacted six of those listed to verify their passwords...In response, five of the six gave passwords that matched those given in the letter and the sixth was nearly a match."
03:05 ben_vulpes staggering lol
03:06 ben_vulpes https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/15/hack-a15.html
03:10 ben_vulpes fun temporal proximity coincidence to http://www.ringroadbug.com/ showing up in #b-a, where i found the hilarious nsf-grantee's website
03:11 ben_vulpes where if i read correctly, chrome udp's passwords to such services as gmail in such a way as to 'encrypt' them but still reveal their length
03:12 ben_vulpes nsf grantee produced a odd little video of a chrome browser running under programmatic control solving captchas and 'brute forcing' passwords
03:14 ben_vulpes odd because in what world is that a "proof of concept", unless there's some bass ackwards msft-trained IT snotrag 'ethics' line that somehow justifies the pretense to proof of a video a twelve-year old could have faked
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06:47 Framedragger asciilifeform: just fyi i am unable to download /sadmods. i am using curl with no retry. no biggie, and i know you have more important things to do :)
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06:47 Framedragger iirc previously was able to do this, tho
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08:39 Framedragger is there a more convenient way of organising and/or sending pgpgrams to irc folx? i have http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iCXI2/?raw=true which is ~fine. (it'll complain about unsigned key if target is such, and gpg will ask y/n there. add `--trust-model always` to gpg command if you don't like this and like to live dangerously)
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08:40 Framedragger (then, just do `ep frame` to encrypt to my key e.g., type msg as per gpg, get paste url)
08:43 Framedragger i could add www endpoint to scriba which would take in encrypt pgpgrams, and scriba would PM them to target. to avoid abuse etc., messages would need to be signed, tho. not sure how useful. (i'd maybe use this. could pgpgram while not connected to irc. maybe overthinking this before impending gossipd)
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08:43 Framedragger s/take in encrypt/take in encrypted/
08:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645915 << wtf, why
08:47 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 12:43 Framedragger: i could add www endpoint to scriba which would take in encrypt pgpgrams, and scriba would PM them to target. to avoid abuse etc., messages would need to be signed, tho. not sure how useful. (i'd maybe use this. could pgpgram while not connected to irc. maybe overthinking this before impending gossipd)
08:48 asciilifeform terrifyingly bad idea imho
08:50 asciilifeform nothing has any business being enpgp'd ~on a server~, wtf
08:51 asciilifeform and how the hell would you 'messages would need to be signed' ?!
08:53 asciilifeform and under what circumstances is it that i can't get to irc, but ~can~ get to 'www endpoint' ?
08:54 asciilifeform lemme guess: iphone !?
08:54 asciilifeform we want this ?!!
08:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645913 << is this really a bottleneck for you, Framedragger ?
08:56 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 12:39 Framedragger: is there a more convenient way of organising and/or sending pgpgrams to irc folx? i have http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iCXI2/?raw=true which is ~fine. (it'll complain about unsigned key if target is such, and gpg will ask y/n there. add `--trust-model always` to gpg command if you don't like this and like to live dangerously)
08:57 asciilifeform how? and have you thought about how possibly other people do not ~want~ this 'convenience' ? i for instance have no intention of ever automating any part of my pgp process. whatsoever.
08:58 asciilifeform it unhygienic, plain and simple.
08:59 asciilifeform nor is it purely a matter of 'oh, i'll automate sending, asciilifeform can choose whether to automate decoding'
09:01 asciilifeform if folx start 'conveniencing' and auto-sending pgpgrams, it will become necessary to require outer signatures (i.e. over ciphertext) and i, for example, will simply not read messages from anyone i suspect of auto-sending.
09:02 asciilifeform some thing has NO business ever being 'convenient'.
09:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645911 << the usual reason.
09:09 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 10:47 Framedragger: asciilifeform: just fyi i am unable to download /sadmods. i am using curl with no retry. no biggie, and i know you have more important things to do :)
09:10 Framedragger 1. it's why i asked, re. convenience, 2. yeah it's a terrible idea, hm, and 3. there was no intention to do any encrypting/signing on the server - god forbid
09:10 asciilifeform Framedragger: then i dun even grasp how it was supposed to work at all
09:11 Framedragger no, fuck it, it's terrible throughout.
09:11 asciilifeform aite.
09:12 Framedragger (current convenience simply allows for "type message, give recipient, get back url to send to", and any additional stuff is ben_vulpes' et al. 'programm0rs like to masturbate with complexity')
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10:39 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/menstruation-lulz/ << Trilema - Menstruation lulz
10:42 asciilifeform https://archive.is/ndyWe << in other hilarities.
10:42 asciilifeform 'Scores of Drupal developers have formed a protest against the exiling of a project veteran who dabbled in kinky sci-fi hanky-panky.'
10:42 mircea_popescu how the fuck does "exiling" work, supposedly ?
10:42 asciilifeform ^ d00d kicked out of genderfuckshitware open sores 'project' for... being aficionado of ancient s&m fiction
10:43 mircea_popescu lol
10:43 mircea_popescu i guess latest trilema should be right up their... alley.
10:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc he was 'disinvited' from some conference and publicly 5minutesofhate-d
10:43 mircea_popescu ONOES!!1
10:44 asciilifeform https://archive.is/4Ie3k << 'confessions'
10:44 mircea_popescu dude, not going to their shitty "conferences" is the best way to a) get some work done and b) eat well.
10:44 mircea_popescu group of dorks complains about the rest of the dorks doing the guy a fucking favour.
10:44 asciilifeform the lulzy bit, is that the entire 'project' would not exist then.
10:45 mircea_popescu heh
10:45 asciilifeform ( what 'red blooded man' and where, uses 'drupal', and for what ?? )
10:45 mircea_popescu i dunno. people kept proposing it "for cms"
10:45 asciilifeform 'we are vehemently opposed to discrimination, harassment, intimidation, bullying, doxxing, secret trials, and digging up information on members' personal lives."' << really nao, appelbaum?
10:45 mircea_popescu lel
10:46 mircea_popescu "vehehehee what was i saying"
10:46 asciilifeform 'The group is asking Buytaert to reexamine Garfield's case and, if he was not found to be violating Drupal's code of conduct, issue a public apology. They also want Buytaert to update Drupal's code to ban discrimination based on "peaceful, consensual, law-abiding beliefs" and craft clear rules on code of conduct that will be applied openly.' << this, apparently.
10:46 asciilifeform didjaknow.
10:47 mircea_popescu looks like a fine substitute for doing any work yet another workday
10:56 Framedragger > find interesting post; follow to interesting person's twitter; get suggestion whom to follow, on the surface it looks good (e.g. "also a hardware engineer", etc.)
10:56 Framedragger > hm, this other person rants about something-politics, can't even be arsed to read. no content
10:56 Framedragger > description/homepage says SJW
10:56 Framedragger > oh
10:56 Framedragger happens all the damn time. :/
10:58 Framedragger used to shy away from generalising based this, i have to admit. but it's such an accurate signal (what are the chances that trans-crypto-engineer-sjw will be posting stuff related to the crpyto-engineer part?), it's mindboggling
10:59 mircea_popescu Framedragger you know who was the original transgender engineer (and of course the smegma stains don't mention her, because why would they!) ?
11:01 Framedragger no, who?
11:02 mircea_popescu companion question : who invented vlsi ?
11:03 Framedragger imma just start googling soon :) vlsi as in opengl, i assume. (i dunno)
11:04 Framedragger one lynn conway.. this name was mentioned here wasn't it..
11:04 Framedragger !#s lynn conway
11:04 a111 2 results for "lynn conway", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lynn%20conway
11:04 Framedragger !#s conway
11:04 a111 15 results for "conway", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=conway
11:04 Framedragger heh
11:06 mircea_popescu aha.
11:15 mircea_popescu meanwhile at social justice camp for women in tech, https://68.media.tumblr.com/64df20c85ac7652be1ba5985e1dd1fcf/tumblr_n6imj27nR71t0969ao1_1280.jpg
11:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-21#521970 << also interesting re subj
11:15 a111 Logged on 2014-02-21 23:57 asciilifeform: conway became the personal nemesis of the author
11:17 Framedragger yeah k. figures :D
11:18 asciilifeform http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/LynnsReviewOfBaileysBook.html << subj. (warning: expert entomologists only.)
11:18 asciilifeform ^ so no, conway was not 'the good trans', went full bore tard not so long after 'switch'.
11:19 asciilifeform set about organizing witchhunts of psychologists who wouldn't repeat the 'party line'.
11:22 asciilifeform and yes, i have the vlsi textbook. ( i also have paul graham's lisps, and schneier's 1993 encyclopaedia, even!111 )
11:22 Framedragger she's been quite productive tho, neh? can't deny that?
11:22 asciilifeform Framedragger: observe ~when~ productive.
11:22 Framedragger i'm not familiar with how good/bad/evil vlsi is.
11:22 Framedragger from initial skim of her bio, after gender change, too
11:23 asciilifeform Framedragger: vlsi today simply refers to the practice of auto-generating (rather than drawing by hand) an ic layout, using 'basic blocks'
11:23 asciilifeform quite analogous to what the familiar compiler does .
11:23 Framedragger aha rightright. that's about as much as i know, tho
11:23 Framedragger k.
11:24 mod6 mornin'
11:24 asciilifeform heya mod6
11:24 mircea_popescu now im gonna have to read that crap. why do i get involved in these things!
11:25 mod6 eatblock is upto 235K+ blocks.
11:25 Framedragger asciilifeform: from skimming her bio, she went into activism after tech career retirement, which followed ~quite a bit after~ the change. inferring cause-effect there is imho stretching it ~very~ much. but then, i haven't met her, etc.
11:25 Framedragger good stuff mod6 :)
11:27 mircea_popescu lol this shit. "The book especially defames trans women who are attracted to men, calling them "homosexual transsexuals" as if they were men themselves." ... which... they aren't, because... reasons ?
11:27 asciilifeform Framedragger: the more general observation is that if 'trans'-creation worked worth a tinker's damn, there would be no 'activist category' for it, there'd be just a set of, e.g., chix, with peculiar biographies that nobody but their mothers even have to know about, theoretically
11:28 Framedragger asciilifeform: i disagree. in their mind, it is completely consistent to do activism as they are 'suppressed', etc.; so i don't see how that would necessarily follow
11:28 mircea_popescu ftr, prostitution is in point of fact the single most common occupation of transsexuals of any description, as well as of "sex activists" of whatever flavour.
11:28 asciilifeform Framedragger: think about it. if it worked --- there's be no 'they'.
11:28 Framedragger anyway, the point is, she did lots of technical work after gender change.
11:28 mircea_popescu this is like observing that not-particularily-bright kid who evidently likes cars is probably a driver.
11:28 asciilifeform it'd be like dyed hair, you have nfi whose hair is dyed.
11:29 Framedragger asciilifeform: that's true, it's "rough around the edges" is an understatement for now. and in general, a ~very~ problematic position to be in. there is that...
11:29 asciilifeform Framedragger: there'd be no even theoretical 'suppressed', think.
11:29 Framedragger yes, yes.
11:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't tell ?!
11:30 asciilifeform but as it is, they have 'movement' which consistently and insistently lies about various aspects. for not especially inscrutable political reasons.
11:30 mircea_popescu but yes, Framedragger has it, the topic was whether engineer, not whether "good" or "bad" or whatever.
11:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can only tell if the dye is poor, or runs, etc. was the idea.
11:30 Framedragger i don't know, i just see an engineer who did engineer work and contributions before and after gender transition; and a person who got caught into politics/issues of genderstuff after involving self in genderstuff. "meh" is my reaction.
11:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not true, no. can tell in almost all cases.
11:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu can probably also tell how many years a wine aged by naked eye.
11:31 Framedragger (the latter may signify that genderstuff is poison, sure.)
11:32 Framedragger asciilifeform: i have to agree re. 'movement' tho, yeah..
11:32 asciilifeform Framedragger: other point is that involvement in a 'movement' characterized by organized intellectual dishonesty -- is not compartmentalizable. it makes me question the 'activist''s entire career.
11:32 asciilifeform ( vlsi -- works. but, perhaps plagiarized ? etc )
11:33 Framedragger yeah, i can see that. compartments of the kind are always leaky. and it's natural to then distrust in general, etc. however, if you wanted to use this as an example why no tech career happened after, you'd be begging the question.
11:33 mircea_popescu the problem with this is that it won't allow you to see engineer-politicians, which is ALSO not compartimentalizable : it will force you to beedog, ie, not become as good as expression and telling women's original haircolor as you could, on the basis of your genetics say, actually be.
11:34 asciilifeform not everybody is a sapper for a living.
11:34 mircea_popescu you know, they don't actually require fishermen to cut off their legs because boat anyway.
11:34 asciilifeform not yet!1111
11:34 mircea_popescu seems silly on the face of it.
11:34 mod6 third collection of ~1Gb of entropy is complete from my first fg. running ent & dh now...
11:35 asciilifeform ( v. pelevin had a hilarious b00k where , in future, 'alexey maresyev' (ww2 ace with 0 legs) 'school of flight', cosmonauts MUST lose legs, it was hilarious )
11:35 mircea_popescu good thing mod6 is doing all this work so we can sit around reading inept reviews of even worse "research" in "psycology"
11:35 asciilifeform lol
11:35 mod6 hahaha
11:36 Framedragger i did feel dirty writing the above lol
11:38 mircea_popescu incidentally, alf is correct on one point : there is a painful spot in the history of psychology (the pseudoscience). let us delve :
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11:39 mircea_popescu 1. psychology is not a scientific endeavour. it can not be, for fundamental reasons put on paper for instance by a certain 1600 english justice ( http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22devil+himself%22 )
11:40 mircea_popescu 2. 1 notwithstanding, in the early phase of the post-industrialization lower-upper class (a faux construction consisting of lower class material enjoying upper class easements, pretensions and expectations) struggling with the question of what the fuck to do with themselves, "studying" "psychology" became a thing.
11:41 mircea_popescu it did not actually have the wings to fly, which is why the social group in question eventually settled on "charity" as briefly mentioned yest. the whys and wherefores are worthy of a volume, and quite well fleshed out, but we won't bother here.
11:42 asciilifeform the same folx switched later to faux-mathematics, faux-softwaredevelopment, etc.
11:42 asciilifeform psychology was simply fashionable in '50s. today -- same role filled by other stillborn disciplines.
11:42 mircea_popescu 3. abandoned in its only possible role (all pseudoscience can do is supply crystal balls for court magicians) by the dominating class (female culture is the larger part of lower-upper middle class culture for very fundamental reasons - they're genetically insufficient) it found a 2nd life among the smaller half.
11:43 mircea_popescu 4. freud, jung and the rest of the "men going their own way" of the 1800s are exactly this - exponents of the minority bourgeois party trying to fashion a crystal ball "just as good" as the prevailing female construct (religion-blabla-etc) out of you know. this.
11:43 mircea_popescu 5. this resulted in a very strongly ~prescriptive~ pseudoscience, the fantasy of all "therapists" etc being that you go to them to acquire permission to be who you are. a sort of, if you will, slavery for infantile inept "masters", cheaply made and mass distributed.
11:44 mircea_popescu 6. the reabsorbtion of this unseemly polyp in the general discourse of lower-upper class was a necessary evolution, and hadn't it punctured through the whole "how dare you say man-women are whores!" it'd have punctured somewhere else. lightning strikles on the basis of charge not on the basis of dielectric failure. heck, it'll create the latter to serve the former.
11:46 mircea_popescu it's unfortunate that a schmuck who actually had the unmitigated audacity to tell people he is a "chair of blabla" was also so fucking clueless as to not know the foregoing, and truly expected he'll be playing with his dickie in the sand unfettered cca 2004. but then again -- this is the just desserts for sinking one's time and productive life in the idiotic line of chasing nonsense.,
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11:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: psychology, such as described here, unfortunately found a second life -- propping up american pharma 'industry'.
11:47 mircea_popescu sure. because guess what -- all transsexuals are whores, and this includes bailey.
11:47 asciilifeform ( has about as much to do with the original psychology as modern chinese 'communism', with lenin . )
11:48 mircea_popescu now : it is not directly evident to me how one engineer riding chariots in battle and raping the women of a different tribe of chariot-riding idiots is in any sense disqualifying.
11:48 mircea_popescu but, let the record reflect that i've myself done all that ; and will. i find it in no sense contradictory or mutually exclusive with understanding or the thought process generally.
11:49 asciilifeform let's briefly visit another time, place : the showdown between lysenko and vavilov.
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11:49 mircea_popescu aite.
11:49 asciilifeform in 1990s-era 'expose' crapolade, the former is painted as 'devil', 'evil genius pseudoscientist', etc.
11:50 asciilifeform and it is not difficult to paint like this, because d00d operated with pre-modern conceptions of genetic mechanism ( his was lamarck-style. )
11:50 mircea_popescu alright
11:50 asciilifeform but the lie by omission, in this analysis, is : so did vavilov & co.
11:50 mircea_popescu this is true.
11:50 asciilifeform they also had nfi re gene expression, regulation mechanism, etc.
11:50 asciilifeform and, most interestingly,
11:51 asciilifeform afaik, v & co were ~the first instigators~ of invoking nkvd apparatus in 'battle of grantola'
11:51 asciilifeform writing denunciations on the opponents etc.
11:51 mircea_popescu iirc also true.
11:51 asciilifeform also of interest possibly to mircea_popescu is that l & co worked on 'practical' items, how to optimize wheat, potato. v & co worked on flies.
11:52 mircea_popescu i'm aware. hence the strawberry joke etc.
11:52 asciilifeform this did not help v & co's life expectancies when ~they~ decided to politically battle.
11:52 asciilifeform 'brought a knife to gun fight'
11:52 mircea_popescu right. which is exactly a restatement of the above comment re bailey.
11:53 mircea_popescu ie http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646044
11:53 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 15:46 mircea_popescu: it's unfortunate that a schmuck who actually had the unmitigated audacity to tell people he is a "chair of blabla" was also so fucking clueless as to not know the foregoing, and truly expected he'll be playing with his dickie in the sand unfettered cca 2004. but then again -- this is the just desserts for sinking one's time and productive life in the idiotic line of chasing nonsense.,
11:53 asciilifeform i bring it in, because imho the entire conflict does not look good for ~either~
11:53 asciilifeform and does indeed discredit.
11:53 mircea_popescu who does it discredit and why ?
11:53 mircea_popescu let us bring the matter to a trilema article. you've read the definition of the romanian expression "pai nu?" ?
11:54 asciilifeform aha, it was in a recent one
11:54 mircea_popescu so then. am i thereby discredited, slavegirl will say "oh, i only want pencildick masters ?"
11:54 * asciilifeform doesn't grasp
11:54 mircea_popescu suppose we're at cinema and crack whore walks by. if i fuck her, discredited ? suppose crack whore's son/father/husband walks by and i crack him one, for some reason or no reason at all. discredited ?
11:55 mircea_popescu this discreditation theory is what well-meaning old jewish women teach entirely useless jewish boys, for the purpose of having jewish girls running around naked.
11:55 asciilifeform not rly, not intellectual playing field
11:55 asciilifeform 'discredit' is the mental equiv. of negrate, 'set bozo bit', a very personal matter.
11:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the superior can not be discredited from engaging the inferior on his own terms ; because THE ONLY POINT of superiority is that the superior gets to choose whether to superior or inferior, whereas the inferior gets no such choice, but must inferior.
11:56 asciilifeform when you 'no longer certain who you are dealing with'
11:56 mircea_popescu "si quis, inquis, dives est" is all about that.
11:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: forget the jewwishwoman sense of the word, public discredit
11:56 mircea_popescu a world where "the superior with the superior and the inferior with the inferior" is the ideal female world of flat hierarchy.
11:56 asciilifeform i was specifically referring to 'after that, i had reason to doubt conway, and this projects backwards in time'
11:56 mircea_popescu no. i will fuck five dollar crack whores every time i feel like it.
11:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you're serious you'll have no more or less reason than you had before. of course you'll doubt, what is this.
11:57 asciilifeform who doesn't want to -- obviously, i can't make'em. but asciilifeform goes, rate -1 conway, genderactivister.
11:58 asciilifeform in asciilifeform's book, vaviloving is a mortal sin.
11:58 asciilifeform doesn't compartmentalize.
11:58 mircea_popescu well yes, this much we had half hour ago. the whys dun seem to be working out too well though.
11:59 asciilifeform every serious flavour of european had this concept. 'you just don't ~do~ that.' 'you don't rat to kgb.'
11:59 asciilifeform ratted ? then -- rat.
12:00 mircea_popescu yes, but you also are mixing in a personal "kgb == gender activism in the us", which...
12:00 asciilifeform read link re what conway did/does to bailey.
12:00 mircea_popescu yes, i'm aware there's a something awful that twenty years ago used to be a sort of cat-v for socialist tards etcetera. yes i'm aware the "climate science" pseudoscientards had some mailing list they coordinated their nonsense on etc.
12:00 asciilifeform ( i read his b00k, but have ~0 position on his crackpottery 1 way or another. this is about something quite else. )
12:01 mircea_popescu and if tomorrow i get in an argument with some idiot and shoot him, will you be all "dude, you shouldn't shoot people" ?
12:01 mircea_popescu after all, every european ALSO had a concept of that.
12:01 asciilifeform shooting's a-ok.
12:01 mircea_popescu how do you distinguish ?
12:02 asciilifeform because with OWN hands.
12:02 asciilifeform not kgb's.
12:02 mircea_popescu oh. i didn't mean i personally shoot him. i just mean you know, he gets shot.
12:02 mircea_popescu why would i shoot him with own hands.
12:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu does not see diff b/w 'getting' a d00d shot with mircea_popescu's very long hand, vs campaigning to have d00d declared 'enemy of the people' with kgb anon denunciations ?
12:06 mircea_popescu i can see all sorts of differences. which one do you say is controlling here ?
12:07 asciilifeform the one where the latter weapon is 'ecologically' catastrophic, in that it fattens the empire.
12:07 asciilifeform the pistol -- does not.
12:07 mircea_popescu ah.
12:07 asciilifeform aha.
12:08 mircea_popescu this is a valid point -- except note that lynn's excuised by it.
12:08 asciilifeform excused how ?
12:08 mircea_popescu at the time -- this was no empire. it's more or less the transgender stonewall inn moment
12:08 mircea_popescu or whatever they called that low rent ny pub where faggots for the first time fought back against the pigs.
12:09 asciilifeform 'In the Spring of 2003, J. Michael Bailey...'
12:09 asciilifeform spring of 2003.
12:09 mircea_popescu 2004, you recall, wash bush, and a very power hungry and not yet paintsuited abomination running up and down the country trying to create some sort of "future democrat alliance"
12:09 mircea_popescu so the 1k or so transgender freaks got a seat at the table, mostly for religious reasons
12:10 asciilifeform there sure was an empire.
12:10 mircea_popescu (the "our democracy" religious-science needed some weird.)(
12:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suppose this is then the root of difference.
12:12 mircea_popescu moreover here's a different spot of trouble -- suppose a-friend-who-is-not-me has the remarkable bad fortune of beign crowned/acclaimed god-emperor of everything. did thereby his previous a-ok "long hand" now become a very unok "empire" and consequently he's supposed to do what ? leave them behind and move over to washington to be trumped ? or how's the logic here work.
12:13 asciilifeform it'd depend on how he runs his god-king-dom, neh ?
12:13 mircea_popescu oh, we're assuming you'd be privy to that ? "how he runs it" is a box open to your inspection ?
12:14 asciilifeform to an extent
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12:14 mircea_popescu can't reference variables not declared in your scope, alfie!
12:14 asciilifeform e.g. i've not been chums with obummer. but know a bit what it is like to live in obummerdom.
12:14 mircea_popescu and btw, "to an extent" == "new jersey method!!"
12:15 mircea_popescu you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645769 on my system outputs "to an extent yes"
12:15 a111 Logged on 2017-04-18 20:26 asciilifeform: yes | dd of=out bs=1024k count=10
12:15 asciilifeform lol
12:15 mircea_popescu it does!
12:16 asciilifeform 'meat' methods in comp engineering are not objectionable because 'meat methods', approximations, but because there is ALTERNATIVE there.
12:16 asciilifeform in meatdom -- none.
12:16 mircea_popescu this is what the psychology crowd wants to sell, at any rate.
12:16 mircea_popescu of course there's alternative. what the fuck do you suppose a classical education is for ?
12:17 asciilifeform classical education gives you emulator-ready vm image of obummer's brain ?!
12:17 asciilifeform i can see how mircea_popescu might like to imagine that it does.
12:17 asciilifeform but sadly no.
12:17 mircea_popescu no, but it gives you enough sense to not write your minesweeper applet in such a way as to import netbase.
12:17 asciilifeform for that, brain of squirrel suffices.
12:18 mircea_popescu and don't open the pandora's box of "imagine" lest you fall under a hail of arrows wrt irl "alternatives" in compouting.
12:18 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform is in the process of exterminating some squirrels and finding them to be surprisingly clever )
12:18 mircea_popescu (spelling intentional)
12:18 mircea_popescu only reason asciilifeform finds squirrels cleverness suprising is because he himself is shockingly sheltered.
12:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the q of 'live there people sufficiently non-stupid to make alternative' is separate from 'is there alternative'
12:18 mircea_popescu but perhaps now you earn some respect for my bottled mouse!
12:18 asciilifeform we're talking of deterministic machine, neh.
12:19 mircea_popescu neh.
12:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in point of fact i dealt with mice for years and have plenty of respect.
12:19 mircea_popescu in the sense computer "is deterministic machine", so is human brain. "oh OF COURSE he'll get out of rain, what!"
12:19 mircea_popescu "except when he doesn't" "well yeah."
12:19 asciilifeform ( it was surprising in vs . mice! not in the absolute. rodents are pretty interesting imho. )
12:20 mircea_popescu oldest mammal line.
12:20 mircea_popescu point of fact, they prolly made it for longer than humans will.
12:20 mircea_popescu (this is not necessarily speaking of catastrophe -- humans are much more likely to progressively mutilate themselves into unrecognizability than to just extinct)
12:23 asciilifeform possible that already.
12:23 mircea_popescu aha.
12:28 asciilifeform ( speaking of squirrel, apparently just about everything has a www 'fandom'. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BQmuW03-g8 << BingoBoingo ! )
12:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646126 << this, incidentally, is SHOCKINGLY false. when polling the rat in the box, his clue as to how the empire is being run is very very nil. i get this is counterintuitive, but get this : romanians thought the same "common sense" nonsense and ended up with http://trilema.com/2011/procesul-ceausescu/
12:38 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 16:14 asciilifeform: to an extent
12:38 mircea_popescu ie, in tl;dr terms : shooting for an inexistent crime the only politician who provably did not engage in it this century.
12:39 asciilifeform the alternative is what, exactly ? bow and to suck the cock of his holiness obummer ?
12:39 asciilifeform i ain't gonna. period.
12:41 asciilifeform just as mircea_popescu didn't care to bow to brezhnev. ( regardless of how fragmentary was his picture of how -- precisely -- brezhnev's palace decisionmaking conveyor worked. )
12:44 asciilifeform incidentally this was the very substance of , iirc, nixon's argument to somebody re why he ought to bow. 'you don't have access to the mega-seekritz, how can you know that i am scum'
12:45 asciilifeform it, as mircea_popescu likes to say, 'does not prevail!111'
12:46 mircea_popescu nah.
12:46 asciilifeform because assessing scummitude -- of man, or entire empire -- does not require 'eating the whole egg'.
12:46 mircea_popescu i'm not proposing you should do anything. i am pointing out a mechanism you describe is a) part dreamdust and b) not workyirl.
12:46 asciilifeform i dun need to know what lincoln had for breakfast every day of his life, to say 'scum'.
12:46 mircea_popescu this without prejudice or anything.
12:47 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: in related news, Last night I saw a baby bunny hopping through the yard adorably darting in and out of cover. This morning I find bits of baby bunny fur scattered in a narrow open area between structures. Cat 1 Breeders 0
12:47 mircea_popescu ;/
12:47 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/twin-suicides-grip-usian-psyche/ << Qntra - Twin Suicides Grip USian Psyche
12:47 asciilifeform i gotta borrow this d00d's cat
12:47 asciilifeform i have half dozen living in the underbrush here and they dun seem to make any palpable dent in the tree rat problem
12:48 asciilifeform ( then again, i have no accurate idea, perhaps without cats it would be wholly unmanageable )
12:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I haven't seen cat since last year. Crediting kill to cat based on there being parts not eaten.
12:49 asciilifeform why would cat not eat'em
12:50 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Because cats are spree killers whose thrill hunger exceeds their food hunger
12:50 BingoBoingo Owl on the other hand eats fur and all
12:51 BingoBoingo Anyways perhaps the alf vermin problem is filthy neighbors rather than lazy cats?
12:52 asciilifeform how's that
12:53 BingoBoingo they just produce too much food for the breeding vermin and cats simply lack time, or scale of vermin problem is bad for cat morale?
12:53 asciilifeform them squirrels aren't eating rubbish, no.
12:54 BingoBoingo Perhaps you haven't landscaped in enough ambushes and other tactical features for cats to enjoy.
12:55 asciilifeform not landscaped, but place came with a bunch
13:00 mod6 Alright asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et. al. Here's the 3rd run of the dh & ent against the third collection of ~1.1Gb of entropy. http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run3.txt
13:01 asciilifeform looks pretty typical ^
13:01 asciilifeform ( 'weakness lottery' in the 'hungrier' stats. )
13:01 asciilifeform speaking of which, any answer from dh author ?
13:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, mod6 ^ ?
13:02 Framedragger mod6: just fyi, your `dd if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg3.bin` doesn't look to include that padding flag?
13:02 mod6 Framedragger: alf's discovery of the padding flag wasn't found until after i had started this collection.
13:02 mod6 I'm doing that test next.
13:02 Framedragger mod6: ah ah, gotcha! :)
13:03 Framedragger ah yeah, timing's mixed up in ma head
13:03 asciilifeform '8.000000 bits per byte ... randomlyerror 0.00 percent ...
13:03 asciilifeform would exceed this value 50.00 percent of the times.
13:03 asciilifeform ' << neato
13:03 asciilifeform (hm, that paste got munged)
13:03 asciilifeform but still
13:04 mod6 will collect like: `dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg4.bin`
13:05 asciilifeform in other noose, i have a quote from chinese crystal grower, 3x3x10mm LYSO crystals @ ~8 usd ea.
13:05 mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, 8.000000's everytime from ent.
13:07 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/04/twin-suicides-grip-usian-psyche/#comment-94803
13:07 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> not landscaped, but place came with a bunch << Catnip is a perenial herb, gets respectable size...
13:07 mod6 ok, collecting another ~1Gb, this time using iflag=fullblock
13:07 mod6 will report back in ~1 day
13:08 * Framedragger will move ass time permitting and collect his 1gb, too
13:08 jurov can fuckgoat be overclocked?
13:09 mod6 :D
13:13 asciilifeform jurov: sorta
13:14 asciilifeform jurov: put it near something warm.
13:14 asciilifeform ( a few %+ )
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13:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's actuyally cheap
13:36 asciilifeform ikr?
13:36 asciilifeform i was floored
13:36 mircea_popescu last time i looked at this it wouldn've been 1k+
13:36 mircea_popescu and that's 90s dollars.
13:37 asciilifeform and each one is good for, by my current reckoning, a coupla MB/s of entropy.
13:37 asciilifeform just sittin' there.
13:37 asciilifeform (no external gamma source)
13:37 asciilifeform possibly a few 100Mb/s.
13:38 mircea_popescu well, 6.023e23 rite.
13:38 asciilifeform quite possibly we have usg/ru/etc. Official nyook-paranoia (detectors everywhere) mania to thank for the cheap lyso.
13:39 mircea_popescu that'd be the ultimate rng pump. "We have this array of matter -- think memory stick. at every given tick, each either decays or doesn't. tick here has no physical meaning, it can be shorter than measurable irrespective of measuring mechanism"
13:39 asciilifeform correct
13:39 asciilifeform the straightest way to rngize decay is to count ticks (shorter -- better) between decays, and then vonneumannize.
13:42 asciilifeform traditional geiger tubes, i rejected for this ( they 1) wear out quickly 2) require ~1kV dc, which has to come out of an oscillating boost converter 3) need very energetic photon to work, which means collecting radioactive crud locally, you typically won't be able to post it )
13:43 asciilifeform that leaves semiconductors (pin diode) and semiconductor+scintillator combo.
13:44 asciilifeform one of the items on asciilifeform's back burner recently has been to properly test various variants of this.
13:44 mircea_popescu nah, just make ram stick with lyso instead of doped si, then read it normally.
13:44 asciilifeform mno.
13:44 asciilifeform you don't want to zap the deterministic parts.
13:44 mircea_popescu anti-ecc ram. "we guarantee no bits can be read as they were stored!"
13:44 asciilifeform (debiaser, serial encoder, etc.)
13:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that can be done in software
13:45 asciilifeform software ~on what~
13:45 mircea_popescu i hear drupal has a library for it.
13:45 asciilifeform lol
13:45 asciilifeform at any rate you don't want mEv photons hitting your die.
13:45 asciilifeform from inside, or outside.
13:45 asciilifeform the holes are often permanent.
13:45 mircea_popescu so ? PERSONALIZED!
13:46 asciilifeform it 'goes blind'
13:46 asciilifeform same reason, i found, using ZnS is a mistake
13:46 asciilifeform it degenerates over ~decade
13:46 mircea_popescu anyway, run it at 70 C or so, i expect electron cloud will just eat it up, no crystal lattice deffects induced
13:46 mircea_popescu then again i did no math for this expect.
13:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~whole point of gamma rng is to divorce from electronic effects.
13:47 mircea_popescu there is that.
13:47 asciilifeform electronic one -- we have already !
13:47 mircea_popescu pity, the anti-ram stick had such great sci-fi power.
13:47 mircea_popescu i guess this is why sci-fi is pulp rather than literature.
13:47 asciilifeform ( mircea_popescu oughta have gotten his already, btw, or at least any day nao )
13:47 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15D8D6376893F358B6A33931E8A2B035898FEFF90F8899F073C4E8680037D620 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1370...6437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.134.96.26 (ssh-rsa key from 188.134.96.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (188x134x96x26.static-business.iz.ertelecom.ru. RU)
13:47 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15D8D6376893F358B6A33931E8A2B035898FEFF90F8899F073C4E8680037D620 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...5959 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.134.96.26 (ssh-rsa key from 188.134.96.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (188x134x96x26.static-business.iz.ertelecom.ru. RU)
13:47 mircea_popescu at odds with reality.
13:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at one point we had a thread with d00d who sold 'sram as rng' iirc.
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13:48 asciilifeform can't seem to unearth it nao.
14:02 asciilifeform in other lulzies, http://scintillator.lbl.gov << Official!111 american list of scintillators, with lit. citations.
14:03 asciilifeform ^ the numberz which refer to commercially-available items -- seem to agree with the vendors'.
14:03 asciilifeform HfO2 << lol, where do i buy.
14:05 asciilifeform anyway in this application it ain't 'the best' scintillator that wins, but specifically lyso -- because it is own gamma source.
14:05 asciilifeform (high self-noise floor, which in any other application is a downer. but in this one -- not.)
14:06 asciilifeform bonus: your rng also doubles as a radio-shenanigans detector!111
14:06 asciilifeform (if count is substantially above the expected count -- ring the bells, yes )
14:18 asciilifeform in other lulz (sequel to earlier film) -- https://topspb.tv/news/2017/04/19/v-moskve-zaderzhali-brata-vozmozhnogo-organizatora-terakta-v-metro-peterburga .
14:18 jhvh1 Scintillating conversation!
14:19 mircea_popescu lol!
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15:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'm really enjoying the notes from scintillator quest
15:32 ben_vulpes extremely educational
15:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: many lulzy finds. for instance, anthracene ( from coal ) is still the all-time champ. BUT you can't buy it in proper crystal, other than su-manufactured on 'ebay' !
15:43 ben_vulpes oh interesting
15:43 asciilifeform (why ? i have nfi. maybe americans never learned how to grow it..? srsly? 19th c. process )
15:44 ben_vulpes san francisco no es un pais pobre: http://68.media.tumblr.com/d10d40d189e246943eefd0a39cc0078c/tumblr_oon71r8Ttw1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg (from bruces)
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15:44 ben_vulpes prehispanic!
15:44 asciilifeform or, for instance, PET/PETE plastic (as in 'soda' bottle) is a pretty good one
15:45 asciilifeform but go and buy a brick of it.
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15:46 asciilifeform the immense difficulty of 'human' getting small qty. of just about anything that doesn't live in lolmart, is why i piss on people who piss on 'ebay' etc.
15:49 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://archive.is/f1FVJ << somebody doing 'god's own work', fleecing blueblood idiots
15:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646279 << these are found in every 'chinatown'
15:52 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 19:44 ben_vulpes: san francisco no es un pais pobre: http://68.media.tumblr.com/d10d40d189e246943eefd0a39cc0078c/tumblr_oon71r8Ttw1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg (from bruces)
15:52 asciilifeform but normally labeled in chinese, not english
15:58 phf fwiw, it's socially acceptable to cook cicadas in maryland, every 9 or whatever years that they come out
16:00 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes crickets are supposedly delicacy, yoiu can get them chocolate covered or with nuts.
16:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646282 << you can get feeder plastic, what.
16:01 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 19:45 asciilifeform: but go and buy a brick of it.
16:01 ben_vulpes silly me
16:01 mircea_popescu sold by the 100k ballots.
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16:01 ben_vulpes here i was thinking that rooting around in the dirt for grubs was for teh poors
16:02 mircea_popescu in other lulz, it rained so densely here antennas couldn't see each other half mile away.
16:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you know how truffles are made ?
16:02 ben_vulpes found by trained pigs, no?
16:02 mircea_popescu in where ?
16:03 ben_vulpes "trees", but to answer the first question i suppose a resounding "no"
16:03 mircea_popescu in mud, what.
16:03 mircea_popescu "trees" in the sense that at the root of certain oak trees.
16:03 ben_vulpes at least there's a trained pig involved, that sounds like some sort of capital investment.
16:03 ben_vulpes also truffles are hard to find, aren't crickets farmed? or was that cockroaches
16:04 mircea_popescu i've no idea, not much of a fan
16:04 mircea_popescu azn stuff afaik
16:04 ben_vulpes this concludes the #trilema daily episode of ben_vulpes is wrong about everything
16:04 mircea_popescu see you tomorro!
16:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646293 << didja miss the part re 'humans' ?
16:13 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 20:01 mircea_popescu: sold by the 100k ballots.
16:14 asciilifeform you can buy ~anything at all, if you're willing to invest in megatonne of it.
16:14 mircea_popescu dude, pet is like 50 bucks a ton, buy a ton.
16:14 asciilifeform i dun have a 100K$ injection mold.
16:14 asciilifeform nor place to put it, etc.
16:15 mircea_popescu you might be able to buy pre-made bricks on chinazon
16:15 asciilifeform they dun do qty1. of anything.
16:15 asciilifeform it's simply not +ev for'em.
16:15 asciilifeform we had this thread, in re pogo's marvell cpu.
16:16 mircea_popescu alibaba ?!
16:17 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X8zty/?raw=true << in embedded shitware noose.
16:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile in titillation today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d60bb13709bf3c22d64d7701da9e0d40/tumblr_oogy83tEbk1sh9c67o1_1280.jpg
16:22 mircea_popescu aaaahahaha, guess who was invovled! http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SPLC/SPLC-IR.html << our good friends at state-funded kgb outreach!
16:23 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646262 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756992
16:23 a111 Logged on 2014-07-15 20:17 Rassah: asciilifeform: Atmel SAM4L series running the software, with random number being generated only from SRAM, in combinaton with other things we're considering, like a salt you can add in a TXT file
16:23 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 17:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one point we had a thread with d00d who sold 'sram as rng' iirc.
16:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: waiwat, involved where
16:23 mircea_popescu all in all, the whole conway/bailey pile of shenanigans is a fine de-facto blueprint of "activism" of the ilk every idle nobody and her star-sister's trying to engage in.
16:23 asciilifeform oh hey ty danielpbarron
16:24 danielpbarron yw
16:24 mircea_popescu danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/
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16:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as per link, "RAGE ON THE RIGHT A rage is growing on the right. Before it is done, untold numbers of men and women may have to die, casualties in America's ongoing culture wars. By Mark Potok, Editor, SPLC Intelligence Report".
16:25 mircea_popescu cca 2003.
16:30 asciilifeform splc is ~the~ 'j00z-hunting-crimethinkers-by-whatever-means' org in usa.
16:31 asciilifeform they, e.g., got the heimbach d00d (see logz) thrown out of school, various folks - from wherever they worked, etc.
16:31 mircea_popescu no i know.
16:32 mircea_popescu i was just observing that intel dug out stuff in your linkpile making my earlier position that less tenable.
16:32 asciilifeform aah
16:32 mircea_popescu "what kgb ?!" "the poverty law center dorks" "oh."
16:34 danielpbarron http://i.imgur.com/aaRxUD1h.jpg << for asciilifeform, i snapped this yesterday near Williamsburg MA. also possibly interesting to BingoBoingo (can you identify the vehicle i was driving)
16:35 asciilifeform danielpbarron: what am i looking at
16:35 danielpbarron the sign
16:36 asciilifeform iirc it is at&t euphemism for usg bugwagens ,
16:36 asciilifeform for whom parking spot is always reserved at telco stations.
16:36 asciilifeform the house in the background doesn't look like a telco tho, no bars on 2nd story windows
16:36 danielpbarron i just watched Brazil the other night, maybe the reference is not as obvious as i thought
16:37 asciilifeform it was in my head, but eclipsed by reality, lol
16:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly ~now~ you can picture why asciilifeform's picture of conway switched , at that time, from 'hmm, but vlsi!' to 'i wonder where conway stole the credit for vlsi'
16:39 mircea_popescu a lust fo powa will do strange things to habitually powerless people.
16:40 asciilifeform hence vavilov, aha
16:40 asciilifeform i'd imagine at this point in the neverending 20th c. it'd be obvious at least to literate folx, that this type of 'power grab' is about as great an idea as grabbing live hv cable .
16:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other-asian-cuisine, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bda5a1b8b2a9f884b1d07f2b1b0cb6d1/tumblr_ooep7c4QRN1ust2lpo1_1280.jpg
16:52 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646329 << relatedly: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ldvN5/?raw=true
16:52 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 20:24 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/
16:53 asciilifeform lol. straight to oven.
16:57 danielpbarron http://i.imgur.com/VnfAvHih.jpg << text linked above came from this
16:57 asciilifeform that tattoo is really sumthn
17:05 ben_vulpes wow reads like an ebonics student
17:06 ben_vulpes > mothin fuckin uhhhh
17:07 ben_vulpes great scenery though. walls all the same color the landlord left 'em in.
17:07 asciilifeform what colour ben_vulpes's walls ?
17:07 ben_vulpes a few black, a few a dark green, kiddo's room is blue
17:08 ben_vulpes off-white above eye-level, colors below
17:08 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: does not twiddle living space aesthetics?
17:08 asciilifeform asciilifeform doesn't have much exposed wall !
17:09 asciilifeform wall is this slot where you put b00kcase.
17:09 ben_vulpes nobody said anything about now much exposed
17:09 asciilifeform or lcd grids, etc
17:09 asciilifeform asciilifeform doesn't see much wall paint.
17:09 ben_vulpes guitars, but yes
17:09 asciilifeform guitars, sitars, swords, whichever.
17:10 ben_vulpes part of a balanced interior decoration diet.
17:22 mircea_popescu lol da fuck is this.
17:22 mircea_popescu anyway, random chav or w/e you call the plebs where you live. what's notable ?
17:28 ben_vulpes nothing, was being sarcastic
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18:02 Framedragger re. bitbet (unsigned), http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/csimk/?raw=true (from https://bitbet.us/bet/1361/alphago-to-beat-ke-jie-in-april/#c7085 - archive.is failing to archive this as of now)
18:05 asciilifeform Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645407
18:05 a111 Logged on 2017-04-18 04:36 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 0 word re where it was for ~2wks << "BitBet Mod 17-04-17 at 14:49 Dear BitBet users, Our apologies for the extended downtime. We underwent a ddos attack, motivated by a rather base extortion attempt (the 4th or 5th this year, but this one was unusually large). We have taken steps with our ISP to buy additional ddos protection capacity and are back to normal operations. All funds under our
18:07 Framedragger oh, thanks. not been a diligent reader of logs for last coupla days.
18:07 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/ << Trilema - FUCKGOATS, unboxing of ~
18:07 asciilifeform oh hey hey hey.
18:11 mircea_popescu :)
18:12 mod6 pretty awesome :]
18:13 Framedragger that address is hella prustian
18:13 Framedragger proustian*
18:22 mircea_popescu innit though!
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19:09 ben_vulpes in other news, portland fashioning itself as a testbed for robocar experiments
19:10 ben_vulpes *urban* robocar experiments!
19:10 ben_vulpes by which i mean a testbed for hooligans with GPUs, bad attitudes, and a cursory interest in adversarial image generation.
19:16 mod6 do some magic, make every destination river
19:17 asciilifeform or the river -- a destination...
19:19 mod6 AWS: Account has been closed.
19:19 mod6 win.
19:22 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that actually sounds pretty cool.
19:30 ben_vulpes pedalpalooza's coming up
19:31 ben_vulpes might be fun to distribute large fabric squares to bike scum that say something like "THIS PATCH HACKS ROBOCARS" with a nonsense illustration below
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22:55 mircea_popescu and in other vintage, https://68.media.tumblr.com/59dee5b0fa46082499c5aea2a0dee150/tumblr_omaxhcNpvk1vvow1po1_1280.jpg
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23:16 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
23:16 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1205.16, vol: 6172.59109839 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1210.999, vol: 6126.70945 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1265.2, vol: 7570.22494824 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1030.21, vol: 4136.78500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1212.778, vol: 2144.25208046 | Volume-weighted last average: 1196.85786652
23:16 BingoBoingo very stabilitit
23:19 * asciilifeform in other noose, now has a pretty clean 'transparently mmapize arbitrary object to disk' ada thing.
23:31 BingoBoingo Anyways, color of paint is secondary or even tertiary concern. Promary purpose of paint is as protective coating
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