Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo patriotic americanS ?
00:21 BingoBoingo ty fxd
00:21 mircea_popescu also "invaded in their space"
00:31 BingoBoingo ty fxd
~ 23 minutes ~
00:55 mircea_popescu meanwhile at "yes we can" anal camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/94685d9df2332cecde4bb83d576a7db0/tumblr_nyub3n9RxV1u7izcgo1_1280.jpg
01:00 ben_vulpes ho ho ho si se puede indeed
01:00 mircea_popescu lel
01:01 ben_vulpes from the annals of well-engineered application of force: https://68.media.tumblr.com/ae3acc647db92af58702b31087b30b78/tumblr_oohx87Hr2R1vnq1cro1_400.gif
01:03 mircea_popescu annals eh ?
01:08 ben_vulpes ;)
~ 34 minutes ~
01:42 BingoBoingo What if Hussein Bahamas *really* isn't Kenyan and that propaganda was started to hide the fact he is Ethiopian from the moslems?
01:42 danielpbarron BingoBoingo, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8TIrc/?raw=true
01:44 BingoBoingo ty danielpbarron
01:45 mircea_popescu obama's only race is cocksucker.
01:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But as an ethiopian with skinny legs Obama could wreck the Kabba and start moslem end times
01:47 mircea_popescu heh
01:48 BingoBoingo Which would mean Kenya v Hawaii was a double false flag
02:03 ben_vulpes sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/
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02:04 ben_vulpes "You can then add some data protection by remotely encrypting data during the closed business hours when data could be exposed to wiley hackers."
02:05 ben_vulpes wiley hackers, i tell you! they could be trying to get in, right this minute, through the window! or maybe just by talking to their wife, they can learn enough to put into their artificial intelligence hackery machines to make guesses at your password! you need this thing! that we sell!
02:12 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/easter-manhunt-in-us/ << Qntra - Easter Manhunt In US
02:21 ben_vulpes kicker is that they're nsf funded
~ 1 hours 25 minutes ~
03:46 mats bitbet returns
~ 1 hours 34 minutes ~
05:20 davout so it looks
~ 2 hours 11 minutes ~
07:32 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645001 <<< "Everyone has lost their patience with failed technology and broken promises." pretty lulzy
07:32 a111 Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/
~ 1 hours 28 minutes ~
09:01 asciilifeform in other not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/pFmNY
09:02 asciilifeform ^ +26% over last yr.
~ 36 minutes ~
09:38 asciilifeform https://bitbet.us/bet/1361/alphago-to-beat-ke-jie-in-april << 'Bet is not time-weighted.' >> lol
09:40 mircea_popescu o it's back ?
09:40 asciilifeform apparently
09:41 asciilifeform 0 word re where it was for ~2wks
09:43 davout was it two weeks? more like 5 days iirc
09:43 asciilifeform hm
09:44 davout then again i don't visit it erryday
09:47 mircea_popescu cool.
09:59 Framedragger sent email kindly requesting post mortem or *anything*, can't hurt. probably lots of people did that tho.
10:04 trinque !!gettrust znort987
10:04 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
10:04 trinque ^ investing in this would also not hurt.
10:06 trinque rather, this
10:06 trinque !!gettrust deedbot znort987
10:06 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
~ 16 minutes ~
10:22 Framedragger ^ lots of trust from lending *to* folks, heh (well i got a bit of it via that, too)
10:30 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-monday/ << Trilema - The story of Monday
~ 40 minutes ~
11:11 mircea_popescu and in other breakfasts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bac4e5b4cfa3a01a3fb73f221f33b064/tumblr_o89g979iFc1u7c086o1_500.gif
11:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645001 << this has gotta be parody... >> 'Anti-virus, Intrusion Detection, Machine Learning... What does it all mean? We give you security you can understand. You can then move on with your life.'
11:22 a111 Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/
11:25 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: nominal nsf grantee
11:26 asciilifeform i can believe it.
11:27 asciilifeform ( homeopath, astrologer, alchemist, perpetuum mobilist, can quite easily get 'nsf grant' if he sticks to the Official terminology, and -- importantly -- has the right pedigree / institutional cocksuckery )
11:27 mircea_popescu hey, it works because there's a large contingent of morons who "want to move on with their life". what fucking life ? "make money on auto-pilot". bitch... do do what ? i wouldn't make money on auto-pilot if you paid me to!
11:27 mircea_popescu what the fuck do they do in all that time they saved ?
11:27 mircea_popescu and it's universal, "oh, buy the wife white goods so she has more time to grow bitter in!"
11:27 mircea_popescu fuck that shit, grind my coffee by hand every morning and be happy to be naked.
11:28 mircea_popescu there;s no fucking life to "get on with" outside of all the shit you don't do but should have.
11:28 asciilifeform people with 'no theorems to prove' rot, whether grinding coffee is motorized or with pestle.
11:29 mircea_popescu this is not true.
11:29 mircea_popescu there can be such a thing as a beautiful dog, though no dog ever proved a theorem.
11:29 asciilifeform dog.
11:29 mircea_popescu there's such a thing as a beautiful cocksucker too.
11:29 mircea_popescu point of life is to be a maximal you, not a maximal someone else.
11:30 asciilifeform if you have a wife whose maximalized version is a kind of bipedal coffee grinder -- why not instead buy motorized grinder. cheaper, quicker, lighter.
11:30 mircea_popescu because you like your wife.
11:31 asciilifeform wife who was born to grind?
11:31 mircea_popescu hey, you are at liberty to like whatever the fuck you like.
11:31 mircea_popescu i like paintings that do nothing besides just sitting there.
11:31 mircea_popescu what, it gotta do tricks now ?
11:32 asciilifeform i thought we were discussion functional items, 'white goods' etc
11:32 asciilifeform *discussing
11:33 mircea_popescu even so.
11:34 asciilifeform and specifically the 'so she has more time to grow bitter in!'
11:34 asciilifeform by that logic, armless+legless wife is best
11:34 asciilifeform won't stab you in the back!
11:34 asciilifeform won't run off.
11:34 mircea_popescu i don't follow ?
11:34 asciilifeform recall the thread re ru army where folx paint the snow -- white, and the grass -- green ?
11:35 mircea_popescu i do.
11:35 asciilifeform my current understanding is that mircea_popescu subscribes to this philosophy re women?
11:35 mircea_popescu do you recall the threadf where rich people ate white flour, which made poor people want to eat white flour, which made idiots misdirect some of the power of industrialization to give it to them, which made them sick, whichj continued the vicious cycle until someone figuredf it out and now people mostly eat brown flour ?
11:35 asciilifeform 'devil makes work for idle hands' being the engl. proverb
11:35 mircea_popescu nah.
11:36 asciilifeform i thought that one was about the private auto. but it could be about 10,001 things, equally.
11:36 * mircea_popescu believes that it is indescribably stupid to replace the woman with a robot in her most productive activity. EVEN IF the robot would do a better job.
11:36 asciilifeform flour, yes
11:37 mircea_popescu what that most productive activity is depends on the woman, or man, or dog. to replace others may be a good idea (or not -- how smart is it to not walk because car and then gym because no exercise ?) but entirely replacing the poor sod out of productive activity and thereby world relevancy is psychological poison.
11:37 mircea_popescu let her ENJOY the fact that she actually is a thing of this world and contributes with her hands to this world. why shouldn't she.
11:38 mircea_popescu let the woman be a thing as often as practicable, it sure as fuck beats her being a figment of someone's imagination. and other alternatives DO NOT EXIST.
11:39 asciilifeform how does working with a power tool preclude 'contribute with hands, be a thing of this world' etc ?
11:39 mircea_popescu does not preclude. but in most cases, woman who no longer has to cook daily because fridge works with the reddiTV.
11:39 mircea_popescu which is why i say -- depends on woman. if she can be useful with a tank buy her a fucking tank, why not.
11:39 asciilifeform asciilifeform's pet for instance has a full complement of power equipment. and cooks daily.
11:40 asciilifeform which is why i suspect that it ain't about the tools.
11:40 mircea_popescu whole thread is a restatement of "machinery is to enhance not to replace human"
11:40 asciilifeform aha.
11:40 mircea_popescu so no, entirely not about the tools.
11:41 mircea_popescu the strict and unyielding fact of biology is that most women are barely qualified to chase after age-disabled spawn and make food. there's no shame in this, it being entirely natural.
11:41 mircea_popescu nor is there much value in replacing either function "so she can get on with her life." what fucking life ?! that was her life!
11:42 mircea_popescu and i say all this, of course, because http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/
11:43 asciilifeform male office plankton is a similarly abject creature
11:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally ever saw one of those misfortunate dogs who got cured of their hip displasia by having ruedas delanteras attached ?
11:43 asciilifeform waiwat
11:43 mircea_popescu dog on wheels!
11:43 asciilifeform dun think so
11:43 asciilifeform but i can picture it
11:44 mircea_popescu craziest shit i ever saw, mostly because if one has even a vague familiarity with dogs they seem to look sadder than when they couldn[t move barely at all.
11:44 asciilifeform http://ortopediacanina.com/1286-thickbox_default/ruedas-delanteras-para-silla-de-ruedas.jpg << apparently standard equipment...
11:44 mircea_popescu you've never seen dogs so depressed.
11:45 mircea_popescu but then again! ever saw young dog in car ? going fast ? woooooh wuf wuf wuf!!!11 ?
11:45 mircea_popescu it's not the fucking wheels per se.
11:46 asciilifeform !#s power process
11:46 a111 15 results for "power process", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=power%20process
11:46 asciilifeform hm, none of these are it
11:47 asciilifeform !#s kaczynski
11:47 a111 15 results for "kaczynski", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kaczynski
11:47 asciilifeform ^ 'unabomber'(tm) d00d had a very cogent discussion of this principle, with the coffee grinding and meaningless lives, and wheel dog.
11:48 mircea_popescu i dun recall it, but i believe.
11:51 asciilifeform http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt << text. grep 'power process'.
11:51 asciilifeform pretty obvious item imho.
11:51 mircea_popescu (i will for the record point out that the bread example is uniquely adequate because the centurial idiocy that is by now the only meaning of "american" started in this exact manner -- upper class bitches got white goods from westinghouse so they could have their precious butts and worthless heads freed from the chores of everyday so they could focus on... on what ? ON CHARITY!!111. review the "a one woman mission for your own
11:51 mircea_popescu personal salvation" 1950s bs etc.
11:52 mircea_popescu then the lower classes wanted it too, except who the fuck was going to be on the receiving end of all this mass industrialized chairty ?
11:52 mircea_popescu so noncreatures like obama were created for the purpose, and the middle east still bears the burden of this typically usian retardation)
11:53 mircea_popescu by 2010s it's literally a case of "watch tv and vicariously participate in the salvation of imaginary creatures". the keywords are of course "raise awareness" and "educate the public". fruits of a long shriveled vine, that nevertheless the trained eye can readily distinguish.
11:54 mircea_popescu these are the lower middle class women that made it! living the dream of middle class 1910s!
11:55 mircea_popescu somehow the point that "those misfortunate products of teratogenesis were so fucking sad not even their husbands could be paid to fuck em!!1" is never made. but no, ~nobody could be bothered with 1910s "socialite", ie, rich girl with no skills, no utility and no tits.
11:56 mircea_popescu they went into charity because those were the only people who couldn't say no.
11:56 mircea_popescu and even those -- did say no, every chance they got.
11:56 mircea_popescu so how about "i wonder why the terrorists hate us" is rendered as the correct and adequate "boy we must suck -- not even those sandniggers living in goat dung want us."
11:58 asciilifeform sorta why these folx busy themselves with eternal work of manufacturing ever-sadder charitycases
11:59 asciilifeform 'arabs hate us and piss on our charity' 'let's bulldoze syria' 'koreans piss on us and the horse we rode in on' 'let's bulldoze korea'
12:00 mircea_popescu doesn't seem to be working worth a shit, but hey.
12:00 mircea_popescu "gotta do something" "why ?" "because of all that free time we got to get on with our lives!!!1"
~ 43 minutes ~
12:43 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B1A9F452B782A5B514DAE74FD12EA0BA1838FA677C530E11F18FC0D7EB33AA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...3113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.247.235.46 (ssh-rsa key from 220.247.235.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.adamjeelukmanjee.com. LK 1)
12:43 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B1A9F452B782A5B514DAE74FD12EA0BA1838FA677C530E11F18FC0D7EB33AA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...0723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.247.235.46 (ssh-rsa key from 220.247.235.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.adamjeelukmanjee.com. LK 1)
12:44 asciilifeform Adamjee Lukmanjee & Sons (Pvt) Ltd. << 'Our history as Adamjee Lukmanjee and Sons Ltd can be traced back to the mid 19th century when our founder, Adamjee Lukmanjee set sail on a pioneering voyage from the Gulf of Kutch (Gujarat, India) into an unknown future in Ceylon (Sri Lanka)....'
12:46 mircea_popescu as a stowaway on a british vessel.
12:47 asciilifeform probably
~ 30 minutes ~
13:17 asciilifeform in other lulzies, https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/379638-organizator-terakt-metro-peterburg << purported arrest film of train snackbar d00d
13:30 asciilifeform in yet-other lulz, http://archive.is/EuCL6 >> 'A three-month old baby was summoned to the US embassy in London for an interview after his grandfather mistakenly identified him as a terrorist.'
~ 22 minutes ~
13:53 mircea_popescu baby's shenanigans finally coming to end!
13:53 ben_vulpes the spaces gcc wanted for Real True C++11 Standard Compliance appears to have not affected node behavior
13:54 ben_vulpes granted, i'm not looking into it too deeply beyond "m yeah blocks seem to be accruing"
~ 34 minutes ~
14:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: remind me what this was for ?
14:30 ben_vulpes first step towards slicing boost, if that's even possibru
14:32 asciilifeform aaaah
14:32 asciilifeform neato
14:32 asciilifeform always seemed quite possible to asciilifeform after finding out re newfangled 2000s cpp
14:32 ben_vulpes i could be wrong, pre c++11 might have adequate for loops
14:33 asciilifeform it's mostly used for clean loops etc
14:33 asciilifeform aha
14:33 ben_vulpes lol right?
14:33 asciilifeform kinda the point of cpp11
14:33 asciilifeform was to subsume boost etc into the standard
14:34 ben_vulpes origin story of this particular side quest is that i wanted to remove things from a list without having to jump through the hoops of remove and erase by using std::list remove_if
14:35 asciilifeform pretty sure you still gotta destroy the object somehow
14:35 asciilifeform ( and the idiot made this ~impossible to do cleanly for most of'em )
14:39 mircea_popescu this adds ben_vulpes to the list of people who seriously considered the matter of snipping trbn into shape, came to ~same conclusion, ie that rewrite is unavoidable.
14:40 mircea_popescu which is how trb-i even became an item.
~ 19 minutes ~
14:59 asciilifeform not unrelatedly, asciilifeform now has a working mmap glue for ada.
15:00 asciilifeform ( adacore's was terrible, bulky, winblowz-fallback-containing, and overall unpleasant )
15:00 ben_vulpes sweet deal
~ 41 minutes ~
15:42 phf i decided to check out one of those communal work coffee shops, and you get every single stereotype here: startup bros, tinder date in progress, political feminists discussing next protest, but what takes the cake is a guy with a typewriter.
15:42 mircea_popescu what is one of those communal work coffee shops ?
15:43 mircea_popescu and i hope it was a Leika typewriter.
15:43 asciilifeform typewriter?!
15:43 phf i shit thee not(tm)
15:43 asciilifeform as in, mechanical, underwood?
15:43 phf correct
15:43 asciilifeform nuts.
15:43 mircea_popescu i should have kept all those ancient electric ones, made a fortune selling them to hipsters door to door.
15:44 * asciilifeform scrapped his years ago
15:44 * mircea_popescu is old enough to remember the days business ~= telex.
15:44 asciilifeform i still got the dotmatrix printers tho
15:44 asciilifeform and the paper.
15:44 mircea_popescu put that in your "three year experience" pipe an' smoke it.
15:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform those were actually good.
15:44 asciilifeform aha!
15:44 asciilifeform never really obsoleted, imho
15:44 asciilifeform laser dun replace'em
15:45 asciilifeform ( go and make a ~scroll~ with laser printer. )
15:45 mircea_popescu notrly. tractor lister job, 1k pages+, let it do its thing come back in morning.
15:45 asciilifeform ^^
15:45 mircea_popescu current replacement pos jams 100%.
15:45 asciilifeform there ain't a replacement.
15:45 phf i remember when laser was a status symbol..
15:45 asciilifeform nobody makes a tractor inkjet any more
15:45 asciilifeform phf: i also remember when colour laser was, not so long ago
15:45 asciilifeform but i got one for 25bux in scrap shop.
15:45 asciilifeform and it runs.
15:45 asciilifeform ( the FUCKGOATS schematics you get in the parcel, came out of it )
15:47 phf but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop?
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15:47 asciilifeform gotta wonder, why would anybody drag a typewriter to a cafe
15:47 asciilifeform ... demonstratively, loudly show off 'see me write!111' ?
15:48 phf i have a writer friend who claims typewriters keep him focused on task at hand, but in this case he purchased one of those radioshack devices, keyboard with 64k of text storage
15:49 asciilifeform those are great
15:49 asciilifeform because Not A Computer
15:49 asciilifeform !#s alphasmart
15:49 a111 0 results for "alphasmart", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alphasmart
15:49 asciilifeform hm.
15:49 asciilifeform !~google alphasmart
15:49 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Amazon.com: Alphasmart Alpha Smart 3000 Word Processing ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Alphasmart-Alpha-3000-Processing-Computer/dp/B002WJ8VLM>; Amazon.com: Alphasmart Neo - Handheld: Office Products: <https://www.amazon.com/Alphasmart-NEO-AA-0410-10971-AQ-Neo-Handheld/dp/B007BHWRII>; AlphaSmart - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaSmart>
15:49 phf i'm pretty sure we had one or two threads, but about a different device
15:49 asciilifeform ^ cult classic gadget
15:50 asciilifeform there are several of these, aha
15:50 asciilifeform plain ascii text entry thing, that runs for months off a set of 'aa' batteries
15:50 asciilifeform no network, no removable disks
15:51 asciilifeform ( to get text ~out~, you plug it in, and it emulates a keyboard, 'types' )
15:51 phf !#s nec pc8201a
15:51 a111 1 result for "nec pc8201a", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nec%20pc8201a
15:51 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181886
15:51 a111 Logged on 2015-06-30 18:30 ascii_field: ' the NEC still wins over most portable computers of any time for the quality of its keyboard. This is a machine for typing on, and producing content, not for consuming content... Even now, nearly 30 years after production, it still works perfectly. The larger capacity modern rechargeable AA cells means that four of these will keep it running for weeks. Astonishing battery life compared with modern devices.'
15:51 doppler asciilifeform: and some of them ran palm OS and had wireless networking :)
15:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181883 << that one was a (small) real comp tho, phf
15:51 a111 Logged on 2015-06-30 18:29 ascii_field: http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/necpc8201a.html
15:52 asciilifeform and in fact most '80s-early '90s portables had unspeakably great (by today's standards) keyboards.
15:53 asciilifeform 'alphasmart' had a terrible keyboard, similar to late '90s crapple. it was originally made for schoolchildren. but it remains cult classic among certain folx.
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15:54 phf for any consumer device in a set of all consumer devices, there exists at least one very eager japanese collector
15:56 asciilifeform it is imho interesting (and this is, yes, not the 1st or 2nd thread re subj) that the niche of 'comp that runs on batteries for month' is a niche wholly unfilled by 'modern' crapolade
15:56 asciilifeform and if you want one, you gotta hunt on 'ebay' etc. for years.
16:06 * phf ding
~ 20 minutes ~
16:26 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czxZk5CFz4k
16:30 asciilifeform lol
16:30 asciilifeform doppler: i have all of the 'alphasmart' boxes, from 1st to last, the 'palm' one indeed took sd cards (two, no less, even) and had infrared diode.
16:31 asciilifeform its only serious plus was the bigger lcd.
16:32 asciilifeform !~later tell mircea_popescu noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot
16:32 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:47 mats phf: is the coffee shop like these coworking spaces? http://workbar.com
16:49 asciilifeform they have these in dc also.
16:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-21#1281330 << last thread iirc
16:49 a111 Logged on 2015-09-21 21:39 phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there
16:49 phf same principle
16:54 phf i think you had office share for a long time (places like Regus), then around early hackernews you had the whole "working from coffee shop" fad. some places started recognizing the fad and catering to that crowd. at some point somebody had an "idea" to update office share image by adding the necessary signaling of the work from coffee shop "culture". actually this coffee shop i'm at (http://www.trystdc.com) predates recent iteration of coworking s
16:54 phf paces. i worked from here in 2005 or so "building startup"
17:02 asciilifeform phf: i've been there
17:02 asciilifeform but only once, and did not notice the 'culture'
17:02 asciilifeform just got a drink, was all.
17:04 phf i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area
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17:09 ben_vulpes 130/mo for hot desk, not actually too bad
17:09 ben_vulpes but you have to go up to 350/mo for 24/7 access
17:10 ben_vulpes minimum buy 1.2/mo for 'office'
17:10 phf ben_vulpes: the two big coworking places in dc are https://www.wework.com and https://www.1776.vc
17:10 ben_vulpes there is a wework right down the street
17:11 ben_vulpes it has stapled shameful brass brand plates onto the beautiful old customs building
17:14 phf i've never been to wework, but 1776 is lulzy. last time i was there they had a talk "difficulties facing female CEOs" to a roomful. they also have regular classes like "learning how to program, with ruby on rails" etc.
17:15 mats heh
17:15 asciilifeform this always seemed surreal to asciilifeform -- like paying to be sat in jail
17:16 ben_vulpes relatedly, i recently saw a pitch for a very 'colorful' animated tv show (?) that would teach children the basics of html/css/js
17:16 ben_vulpes child abuse i tell you
17:16 ben_vulpes (but this is asciilifeform's line...)
17:17 phf i'm not even trying with these things, their current "events" page, https://www.1776.vc/events/break-into-web-development/ and https://www.1776.vc/events/digital-transformation-empowering-people-organizations-in-a-changing-world/
17:17 ben_vulpes > break into the community
17:18 mats https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-art-of-giving-a-tedx-talk-tickets-32306198710
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17:18 mats workbar event on 'The Art of Giving a TEDx Talk'
17:19 ben_vulpes thing is terrifyingly long-lifed
17:24 phf mats: that's beautiful
17:26 phf look at the colouration on its wings, the segmentation of thorax
~ 18 minutes ~
17:44 mats at least its free
17:54 ben_vulpes if your time has no value :D
~ 49 minutes ~
18:44 asciilifeform in other noose... LYSO ( cerium-doped lutetium yttrium orthosilicate ) scintillator is apparently just the thing for rng.
18:45 asciilifeform incl. not needing a gamma source ( Lu-175, stable, is ~97.4% abundant, remainder is mostly Lu-176, 3.8e10 yr. halflife, ~1.2MeV gamma )
18:47 asciilifeform thing fluoresces at 428nm peak.
18:47 asciilifeform so now the mega-question is the obvious one:
18:47 asciilifeform can you do http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636960 by 1) taking 2 of these 2) letting'em 'fuck', i.e. mating open ends of the crystals together, and seeing if same output.
18:47 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 04:00 asciilifeform: ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!)
18:48 asciilifeform ( believe it or not, pieces of LYSO are commercially available and sold in massive qty, they are used in cosmic ray telescopy )
18:51 asciilifeform http://www.ultreo.com/images/scintillators1.jpg << subj.
18:52 asciilifeform https://srs.fbk.eu/sites/srs.fbk.eu/files/styles/adaptive/public/sipm_lyso_22mm_0.jpg << subj epoxied to photodiode.
18:54 asciilifeform http://physicsopenlab.org/2016/02/19/sipm-as-gamma-scintillation-detector << spectra and moar.
~ 29 minutes ~
19:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645175 << oh so a starbucks ?
19:23 a111 Logged on 2017-04-17 19:47 phf: but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop?
19:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform good point. what's the cannonical place i forget ?
19:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which place
19:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot
19:28 asciilifeform aaah
19:28 asciilifeform trinque's , i think
19:28 asciilifeform http://wot.deedbot.org <<
19:29 mircea_popescu someone was making a visual explorer worked pretty well.
19:29 mircea_popescu http://wot.deedbot.org/M.html << this shit's pretty sweet also. who had the visualiser, ben_vulpes ?
19:29 asciilifeform i thought ^this ~was~ the visualizer
19:30 mircea_popescu no, was graphical.
19:30 asciilifeform ah hm
19:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes ?
19:30 mircea_popescu also the various presets on mike's thing were good, with the weighted averages he had.
19:31 ben_vulpes nono, trinque
19:31 ben_vulpes trinque's visualizer lives at http://wot.deedbot.org/
19:31 mircea_popescu gotta integrate all these into a thing
19:32 ben_vulpes well visualizer of 'M' doesn't mean much
19:32 * asciilifeform idly wonders what % of the thing, by mass, is otc randos rating other otc randos in 2011 era
19:32 ben_vulpes http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.html << visualizer in action
19:34 mircea_popescu epic shit
19:34 mircea_popescu sorry for not linking it sooner.
19:39 mod6 update: 453K+ blocks, into blk0050... the last one I had.
19:39 mod6 should be done soon. will publish the results complete with nmon charts.
19:39 asciilifeform mod6: remind me plz what this was
19:40 asciilifeform eatblock time plot ?
19:40 mod6 the offline eatblock of entire chain (or at least what I had before was getting blackholed)
19:40 asciilifeform aaah neato.
19:40 mod6 yup.
19:40 mod6 also, collected another 1.1Gb of entropy from fg since yesterday.
19:40 asciilifeform also neato
19:40 mod6 running ent & dh on the output file. this was produced from the same fg unit that the blog was covering.
19:41 asciilifeform incidentally the moar, the merrier, many of the tests still loop at 1G.
19:41 asciilifeform (ask dieharder author why, not me)
19:41 asciilifeform tbh, imho it is quite ridiculous to loop the input.
19:43 asciilifeform it probably explains oddities like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644367 .
19:43 a111 Logged on 2017-04-16 03:45 asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly -- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jtwkB/?raw=true << 1G of bytes from /dev/urandom on linux 4.2.3 . )
19:49 asciilifeform http://www.global-mind.org << in other 'parody? or not..' lulz !
19:50 asciilifeform 'The Global Consciousness Project Meaningful Correlations in Random Data ...when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured....'
19:50 asciilifeform didjaknow!!1
19:52 asciilifeform in yet-other lulz, the tardano makers don't sleep, http://ubld.it/products/truerngpro << New! Improved! with two... soldered-down shields. and oscillating voltage booster right on the pcb.
19:59 mod6 Here are my results from the second run from the 1st FG tested: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run2.txt
19:59 mod6 I'm going to collect one more 1Gb+ from this 1st FG, run the ent & dh again, and then move on to the next one. Results should be done in ~24hrs.
20:00 asciilifeform neato mod6 .
20:00 asciilifeform incidentally how did you power yours ?
20:00 asciilifeform (usb hub ? direct plug into pc ?)
20:00 asciilifeform if using hub -- be sure to use powered hub.
20:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform seems looping over 1g is rather nonsensical.
20:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dieharder's ~tests~ loop.
20:01 mircea_popescu i know. and i don't see why they would.
20:02 mircea_popescu which is why i said should prolly talk to guy see what he says
20:02 mod6 I'm using the USB-TTL cable that I bought, separate from the one shipped with the fg. There's a picture of the connection up close in the blog post. It is plugged directly into the computer.
20:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu wouldja try and get him in here ? pretty pleez?
20:02 mircea_popescu i dont have an email!
20:02 asciilifeform mod6: nice.
20:02 asciilifeform hanbot around?
20:02 mod6 lemme see if I can dig him up
20:03 mod6 rgb@phy.duke.edu
20:04 mircea_popescu win.
20:04 mod6 (Robert G. Brown)
20:05 mod6 copyright at this www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php page is denoted as 2017, so he must still be ~somewhat~ active.
20:05 mod6 version listed at the site is 3.31.1, which is the same version I'm using.
20:06 mod6 (see posted output files on my site)
20:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645221 << were you any good at that ?
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20:06 a111 Logged on 2017-04-17 21:04 phf: i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area
20:07 asciilifeform mod6: i have 3.31.1 also.
20:07 mod6 ok good to know.
20:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645236 ><< speaking of, there's a whole "ted talks costa rica" "culture".
20:08 a111 Logged on 2017-04-17 21:18 mats: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-art-of-giving-a-tedx-talk-tickets-32306198710
20:14 asciilifeform prng, e.g., aes(aes(...(0))) , or urandom, etc. give uniform distrib. and quickly ideal montecarlo for 'pi', etc. but , interestingly, same sort of dieharder out as FG, in that the level of 'happy' is directly proportional to the size of the collected blob, or rather, inversely proportional to # of the idiot rewinds.
20:14 asciilifeform http://qubit.lncc.br/trng << this d00d must have been very frustrated. i wonder if he understood the above.
20:16 asciilifeform now at the rate dh eats bytes, a fully rewind-free test of, e.g., FG would take...
20:16 asciilifeform ~6 years.
20:22 asciilifeform http://archive.li/SnwEH << recall these ? << illustration of the rewind thing.
~ 40 minutes ~
21:03 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://archive.li/SnwEH << recall these ? << illustration of the rewind thing. << ah, interesting. who ran that, anyone recall?
21:04 asciilifeform !#s http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ehdip/?raw=true
21:04 a111 1 result for "http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ehdip/?raw=true", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwotpaste.cascadianhacker.com%2Fpastes%2Fehdip%2F%3Fraw%3Dtrue
21:04 asciilifeform looks like it was ben_vulpes
21:07 mod6 i wonder if that was the one from osx.
21:08 asciilifeform mod6: my point was, small samples look like shit on dh, because 1000s of 'rewind'
21:08 asciilifeform regardless of where you got'em
21:08 mod6 ah
21:09 asciilifeform and, apparently, the same tests weaken/fail in proportion to rewinds, regardless of whose rng you used, or even prng.
21:09 asciilifeform which i find quite odd.
21:10 asciilifeform ( i am speaking here strictly of rngs which ~do~ eventually converge -- as defined by 100% 'pass' -- at some realistically attainable sample size. )
21:12 asciilifeform dh also does a very, imho, questionable thing, of throwing away most of the input (yes) on account of insisting on using new segment of the input for each test
21:12 ben_vulpes that last tidbit is interesting
21:13 ben_vulpes also the weakening tests
21:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: try it yourself
21:13 asciilifeform (with urandom or whatever else is in your box conveniently)
21:13 mod6 wonder if the intent is to provide greater coverage of the pool
21:13 asciilifeform mod6: i still have 0 idea why author did this.
21:13 mod6 even if, misguided.
21:13 asciilifeform it'd be easy to patch around. but i wanted to begin with classical dh.
21:14 ben_vulpes the last one strikes me as terrible experimental design
21:14 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i quite agree
21:14 mod6 i'd like to have the discussion with rgb himself and see what the intent was there.
21:14 ben_vulpes sure yeah
21:14 asciilifeform that would be pretty neat.
21:15 * ben_vulpes bbl, BABIES
21:15 mod6 l8r
21:15 asciilifeform the sad thing is, dh was mostly used historically to test prng. so the 'waste' was, i picture, not seen as problem.
21:18 mod6 I think I just reached the end of my eatblock test...
21:19 asciilifeform congrats mod6
21:19 mod6 height=454254
21:19 asciilifeform lessee the numberz!
21:20 mod6 aight, lemme work on getting a post put up here.
21:21 mod6 9181:40 = ~6.375 days
21:21 asciilifeform this was on a what?
21:22 mod6 2x Xeon 5650 (24 core) / 64Gb RAM / Kingston 1Tb SSD
21:22 mod6 ok
21:23 asciilifeform ^ all but the last is mostly wasted on trb
21:23 mod6 yah. this thing is like single thread.
21:23 mod6 save your lulz for the charts
21:23 asciilifeform yeah, i'ma bbl.
21:25 mod6 ok c-ya
21:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> which i find quite odd. <<
21:36 mircea_popescu mod6 killing it with the quality blog posts
~ 22 minutes ~
21:58 mircea_popescu !!up joerose72
21:58 deedbot joerose72 voiced for 30 minutes.
~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~
23:04 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/5L7Ov >> BingoBoingo , qntra ?
23:05 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/5L7Ov/image gets rid of the js idiocy )
23:06 mircea_popescu eh, bitfinex.
23:10 * asciilifeform was a little surprised to learn that it was yet alive
23:11 mircea_popescu pretty much been trying to ride the news since day 0. sorta like the divorcee in rhodes island pretending she can't sleep because she's heard all the new york chicks got insomnia.
23:19 * trinque been out all day, replacing shitty broken laptop
23:19 trinque x1 carbon's got bad ram, actually freezes its own firmware memory test.
23:19 mircea_popescu o.O
23:20 trinque gives one fail on "address test" before it's gone for good.
23:21 trinque I put one of those new AMD chip boxes together today; no moar thinputers.
23:21 trinque mircea_popescu: wot.deedbot.org is my wotviz thinger, needs an SVG capable browser and not much else
23:21 mircea_popescu yes it is splendid. i linked it.
23:22 trinque ah cool
23:22 * trinque on 80char black and white display atm. obsd doesn't know what to do with this gpu
23:22 mircea_popescu no idea why i didn't before, but anyway. doesn't seem to have gone down from it either, so all good.
23:22 asciilifeform trinque: is that one of those boxes with soldered-down ram ?
23:22 trinque asciilifeform: but of course
23:23 asciilifeform ain't cheap, either. was there an up-side?
23:25 trinque got suckered in by the display resolution, 2560 by something.
23:25 trinque great fonts
23:26 trinque but no, that was the last purchase of that kind of item.
23:27 mircea_popescu getting rid of the whole "laptop" paradigm is great for both wrists and productivity anyways.
23:28 asciilifeform the big one was decent (w540)
23:29 asciilifeform still not a real comp, but you can't fit a real comp in airplane tray
23:29 asciilifeform no soldered-down ram, fwiw.
23:29 asciilifeform (even cpu -- removable)
23:30 mircea_popescu what % of your time last year did you spend in an airplane and what exactly would have happened had you taken a nap / chatted up random chicks / thought about your nails for the interval.
23:30 asciilifeform me -- ~none. but i also didn't use the stinkpad that year.
23:31 mircea_popescu i spent what, 0.3% or so of this year in airplane. had thinkpad with multiple batteries loaded up with films etc by diligent travel assistant / cocksucker. in the overhead tray it stayed.
~ 22 minutes ~
23:54 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/buttfunexs-fiat-banking-partners-move-towards-becoming-exs/ << Qntra - Buttfunex's Fiat Banking Partners Move Towards Becoming Ex's
23:55 BingoBoingo Ex's in the Butt Fun!
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