Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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07:45 mircea_popescu and in other peopleneeds.lulz, http://archive.is/0mu0N#selection-5131.13-5131.37
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10:19 asciilifeform https://archive.is/LVvRD << in other lulz.
10:22 phf i'd say this could be a new look, but she already looks like a williamsburg hipster from 8 years ago
~ 27 minutes ~
10:49 mircea_popescu that woman killed someone ?
10:57 asciilifeform supposedly
10:57 asciilifeform and with 133337 poison
10:57 mircea_popescu i dunno how leet it is, if it alerts the victim
10:59 asciilifeform well noshit in our native 15th century poison was to avoid 'alert the victim.' but today apparently it is for putting on show. e.g., polonium.
10:59 mircea_popescu eh, everything with these faggots is about putting on a show.
11:04 asciilifeform speaking of which, the show goes on, https://archive.is/bmtZj >> 'Russian intelligence officials made repeated contact' etc.
11:08 mircea_popescu myeah. things are pretty simple : either peace with russia and therefore war with china ; or else bickering with russia while china continues to fatten unmolested.
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11:08 mircea_popescu the women's state very much wants the latter.
11:10 asciilifeform 'Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?' -- mr.t, twatter, today.
11:10 mircea_popescu lel
11:10 mircea_popescu watch nobody on the left engage the point.
11:10 mod6 mornin'
11:11 asciilifeform hey mod6
11:11 mircea_popescu "he's black, of course he's retarded, you're supposed to not say anything about it" being the dem ideology.
11:19 asciilifeform https://archive.is/3Iyj0 << in other dubious wtf's
11:19 asciilifeform 'I spent a cold night huddled in a grimy kitchen, befogged with eye-watering quantities of cigarette smoke, while young PKK militants lectured me on the crisis of late capitalism and the American media's sexual exploitation of women.'
11:19 mircea_popescu again with this ?
11:20 mircea_popescu women aren't sexually exploited. this is THE problem of the west. wtf is wrong with the coolies.
11:21 asciilifeform 'Franceschi was vague about his background, but wore a Mao pin, owned a fortune in Bitcoin and spoke seven languages, including Arabic and Kurmanji. With no military experience, he was sent to the front line, where Kurdish defenders were outnumbered perhaps five to one...'
11:22 asciilifeform quite a yarn.
11:22 mircea_popescu lol. i ran into a few "owned a fortune in bitcoin" dorks here, also.
11:22 mircea_popescu apparently it's a very convenient narrative for the adolescent underclass. the mystery and intrigue of being mp seduces them.
11:23 mircea_popescu anyway. judging by the orwellian reaction of the bedwetters, iraq has every chance of turning into a sort of 1920s spain.
11:24 mircea_popescu must-have cv item.
11:25 mircea_popescu !!up payphone
11:25 deedbot payphone voiced for 30 minutes.
11:29 asciilifeform 'Politically, though, rehab further radicalized him. "All I did was read books on far-left theory," he said. "I started to understand intellectually what I already understood emotionally."' << lelz
11:30 mircea_popescu you know this is traditionally the female maturation process ? "with menopause i did some reading, finally understood my place as i had already spent my life in"
11:30 mircea_popescu i had no idea it worked for men also.
11:31 shinohai /set logger.level.irc 3
11:32 asciilifeform shinohai: 'it works better if you plug it in'
11:32 mircea_popescu lel
11:32 shinohai xD
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12:02 asciilifeform http://archive.is/yulSG << ohnoez, PSEUDOSCIENCE!1111
12:04 mircea_popescu didja see the "mental health care professionals warn" bit ?
12:04 mircea_popescu i lulzed.
12:05 asciilifeform which?
12:06 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/j93ke
12:07 asciilifeform lol!
12:07 mircea_popescu you know ?
12:09 mircea_popescu "the country's mental health organisation".
12:10 mircea_popescu it's not just "laws" in the style of "nobody read this 2k page pile of crap" ; it's not just "regulations", in the style of "whatever random czar and his bureaucracy came up with". there's a struggle to add a further red guard of the revolution! THE COUNTRY'S ORGANISATIONS!
12:12 mircea_popescu "Silence from the country’s mental health organizations has been due to a self-imposed dictum about evaluating public figures (the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 Goldwater Rule). But this silence has resulted in a failure to lend our expertise to worried journalists and members of Congress at this critical time. We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer." or in plain words, "we on the left are aga
12:12 mircea_popescu inst rape for as long as the rapists are mostly on the right ; are against violence for as long as we're more likely to be on the receiving end ; and believe the goldwater rule should be respected at all times it prevents the ousting of a libertard!"
12:17 asciilifeform 'attacking facts and those who convey them (journalists, scientists)' << gold
12:17 mircea_popescu tru fax!
12:18 mircea_popescu i mean, literally, that introduction is exactly on par with the misspelled "petition" linked earlier. "there is a rule agains what we're trying to do which is unfortunate (for the rule!) because we wanna do it anyway!"
12:19 mircea_popescu wtf ?
12:19 mircea_popescu basically the whole dynamic is, "child noticed adults tend to be rule-bound, is trying to get maxcake out of it"
12:20 mircea_popescu and obviously since hacking kids up and feeding the remains to sewer rats is taboo, there's no need to consider anything along the lines of "bitch, that rule is there so your dumb ass may be excused from immediate slaughter"
12:20 shinohai !~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/70L1b/?raw=true
12:20 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
12:21 mircea_popescu the more i think of it the more i'm satisfied this is the ur-underpinning. once women manage to get the slaughter of children taboo-ified, all the rest of the rot flows from there.
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12:56 ben_vulpes > irc: client capability, server supports: account-notify extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl
12:56 ben_vulpes > irc: sasl authentication timeout
12:56 ben_vulpes does *anything* work on freenode?
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13:13 mircea_popescu no.
13:15 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the nsa collector probably worx.
13:15 asciilifeform (when the weather is calm)
13:16 ben_vulpes at risk of boringly rehashing a point there is nothing to collect!
13:16 asciilifeform tell it to ~them~.
13:16 ben_vulpes my freenode password? give me a break
13:17 asciilifeform as pointed out in the last thread, there may theoretically exist 1 or moar idiot who think 'pm' is s33kr1t etc.
13:17 mircea_popescu more practically, there does exist "OUR COUNTRY'S INSTITUTIONS" etc.
13:18 mircea_popescu if tomorrow cia dork makes up story about you sending who knows what over pm to who knows who, we'll laugh and they'll eat it up.
13:18 ben_vulpes iono, aren't republicans in the habit of pasting lulzy pm logs?
13:18 mircea_popescu gotta ugc all that ugc somehow!
13:25 mircea_popescu meanwhile in spain, http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/islamic-state-drown-13-civilians-death-mosul-treason/
13:25 asciilifeform oh hey! noyade !
13:30 ben_vulpes https://github.com/axibase/atsd-use-cases/blob/master/OrovilleDam/README.md
13:31 asciilifeform '1. Install Docker. 2. Download the docker-compose.yml file to launch the ATSD Collector container bundle.' << lel
13:32 ben_vulpes "how do you do delivery?" "we just package a whole linux, anything less than that is annoyingly complicated and we can't hire people who know how to do it"
13:32 ben_vulpes anyways, linked for charts
13:32 ben_vulpes docker just sidebar low dough lols
13:32 asciilifeform 'linux'
13:35 ben_vulpes you think the phb character knows or cares?
13:35 mircea_popescu well manifestly not knows, as per above.
13:38 asciilifeform elsewhere in monkeystan, https://archive.is/7NjO4 >> 'In the late 1990s, the median home price in Washington was just over $150,000. Around 2000, however, prices began to rise, and in just five years, the median home price rose from $159,000 to $420,000.'
13:39 mircea_popescu heh
13:50 asciilifeform in vintage lulz, http://archive.is/4BNQN >> 'Recurring universally unique identifiers (UUIDs), as reported by the smolt hardware profiler client program, had some worried about problems in the kernel RNG. As it turns out, the problem exists in the interaction between Fedora 8 LiveCD installations and smolt – essentially the UUID came from the CD – but it sparked a discussion leading to some
13:50 asciilifeform possible improvements.'
13:52 mircea_popescu such as taking out uuids permanently.
13:53 asciilifeform if only.
13:54 asciilifeform 'The read-only files uuid and boot_id contain random strings like 6fd5a44b-35f4-4ad4-a9b9-6b9be13e1fe9. The former is generated afresh for each read, the latter was generated once.' << what is the theoretically legitimate use for this ?
13:56 mircea_popescu "if you're not a criminal you have nothing to hide"
13:56 ben_vulpes oh we hate uuids now today?
13:56 mircea_popescu i dun know we never didn't hate uuids.
13:57 mircea_popescu we ever*
13:59 asciilifeform in related lulz/disinfo, http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
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13:59 ben_vulpes 'twas never explicit, but care to explain why?
14:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes "universal" anything breaks specificity of diddling.
14:03 mircea_popescu there shall be no man-made universals. it's a heathen practice, and it is also inhuman. this means : no "global state" ; no "global id", not for women, not for their children, cows, computers, whatever other livestock.
14:03 mircea_popescu and so on and so forth.
14:03 mircea_popescu no "global money", which is what the idiocy of "scaling bitcoin for africa" is all about.
14:05 mircea_popescu no "global alphabet" which is why utf may not exist. pretty much everything relates to this refusal of the golden calf.
14:06 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> 'Politically, though, rehab further radicalized him. "All I did was read books on far-left theory," he said. "I started to understand intellectually what I already understood emotionally."' << lelz << What sort of shit rehab is that!
14:15 asciilifeform relatedly vintage bernstein, http://archive.is/xZZmb >> ''Some people argued that randomness generation should be centralized--- whether in the OS or hypervisor or CPU---and fixed at that central location if it doesn't work properly. Other people argued that each library and application should defend itself against failures of the centralized mechanism. There actually seem to be three positions...''
14:16 mircea_popescu as per the very apt asciilifeform observation, rng flux === tty flux. there should be one rng per human, more or less.
14:17 mircea_popescu that's the proper degree of centralization.
14:18 * asciilifeform was reading up on design & history of '/dev/random' and reeling at the lunacy of the very idea of multi-proggy rng pool
14:19 asciilifeform it isn't much less ridiculous than ~multi-user~ one
14:20 asciilifeform what i ~did~ find was a tremendous volume of deliberate, artful obscurantism, e.g. the german linked earlier.
14:25 asciilifeform in other noose, i realized that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613906 is a bad idea.
14:25 a111 Logged on 2017-02-14 19:19 asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r
14:27 asciilifeform if enemy knows that a particular (x,y) come out to a block of, e.g., 0, (via known plaintext), he can store (x,y) for future use
14:27 asciilifeform however what i do not know is whether it is a worse idea than ~block ciphers per se~ !
14:28 asciilifeform because enemy can do this just as easily with, e.g., first two blocks (and iv) of AES-CBC.
14:38 asciilifeform in other lulz, 'Buffett told Charlie Rose in a recent interview that he loaded up on $12 billion worth of stock since the election through the end of January.'
14:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is why you want large blocks. the odds of x, y recurring is given by the size of x and y
14:38 asciilifeform of crapple stock.
14:39 mircea_popescu well, 12 billion ~worth~ is a misnomer, but sure.
14:39 mircea_popescu somebody gotta buy all the dumpage.
14:39 mircea_popescu old man from omaha seems a perfect candidate.
14:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in the scheme i described, and using, e.g., serpent, the p of an (x,y) recurring is ~0
14:40 asciilifeform (32 byte blocks)
14:40 asciilifeform it still bothers me, for some reason, and currently trying to put finger on why
14:41 asciilifeform maybe i simply hate voodoo ciphers.
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14:59 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://archive.is/fsVJ0 >> 'Nearly $1 billion is now frozen in European banks, awaiting a decision by a U.S. district court on the U.S. Justice Department’s forfeiture claim. The assets are subject to U.S. jurisdiction because they were transmitted through U.S. financial institutions on their way to accounts held in Latvia, the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, Ireland, Belgium,
14:59 asciilifeform Luxembourg and Switzerland.'
15:00 asciilifeform '“A really surprising thing about that letter is that the Uzbek civil society would rather the money go back to the treasury of any government, than go back to their own government,” Campbell said.'
15:00 asciilifeform CIVIL SOCIETY!! didjaknow.
15:02 mircea_popescu heh
15:02 mircea_popescu this notion that "subject to us jurisdiction because transmitted" is such lulz.
15:03 asciilifeform 'if it ain't bolted down, it is subject to my jurisdiction' -- every thief ever
15:03 mircea_popescu how about washington DC air is subject to russian jurisdiction because it was transmitted to its current position through russia.
15:05 mircea_popescu check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt.
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15:06 mircea_popescu the numbers are lulzy though : 1trillion stolen from orclands ; 10x the aid inflowing.
15:07 asciilifeform how else.
15:07 asciilifeform occasionally you do hear of thief who drops wallet at the scene containing moar than he stole -- but this is rare.
15:08 mircea_popescu anyway. the bs is pretty thickly laid out, apparently dude at the center of all this is usg agent who got 20mn to try and overturn the govt but then stole the money ? or somesuch
15:10 asciilifeform 'Umarov was released to his family in Tennessee in 2009 thanks to high-level pressure from the U.S. State Department. The former oligarch turned political opponent is now one of the most prominent among many victims...' << lulzy
15:11 asciilifeform apparently ukrtron misfired that time.
15:11 asciilifeform some ukratronicist got stern talkin'-to.
15:12 mircea_popescu seems like he was working for the great orange revolution movement.
15:12 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
15:14 asciilifeform 'For one thing, Uzbekistan’s independent civil society has been decimated. Between 2004 and 2007, the government forced international organizations out of the country. ' << ohnoez!
15:14 asciilifeform uppity orcses!
15:14 ben_vulpes decent odds that cutting funding for abortion services abroad is just a prelude to cutting funding for * abroad.
15:15 ben_vulpes "house of cards" pissed quite a few 'middle class' murkkans off.
15:15 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: or plain rerun of bush-II-era bone thrown to the church, snoar.
15:17 ben_vulpes church of woke or church of born again, water draining out of both buckets.
15:17 ben_vulpes bone, prelude. or, or, or.
15:18 * asciilifeform finds the ceremonial, null-summing back-and-forth components of usg political circus a mega-snore
15:26 ben_vulpes the re-carving of territory up by the replacement right and replacement left could be interesting. not saying that it is yet, or that it mustest be, but that if it does transpire i will pop corn.
15:31 asciilifeform in other trololols, https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gcrypt-devel/2016-November/003973.html
15:33 asciilifeform '...- Polls /dev/random until it's available, then - Reads from /dev/urandom (the non-blocking interface) instead. Most of the code in this patch was lifted from libsodium, which already does this. Libsodium is ISC Licensed (by Frank Denis).'
15:33 ben_vulpes https://paragonie.com/
15:33 asciilifeform 'Scott Arciszewski Chief Development Officer Paragon Initiative Enterprises'
15:33 asciilifeform that ml is chock-full of lulz btw.
15:46 mircea_popescu their country's institutions have reached consensus.
15:58 ben_vulpes "There’s no real thought about: what is the purpose of asset forfeiture? What is it designed to achieve?” said Kristian Lasslett, director of the Institute for Research in Social Sciences at Ulster University, who has been working to develop the emerging academic field of 'state crime'."
15:59 ben_vulpes sovereignty gaaaames
16:01 ben_vulpes challenge it on cultural diversity grounds: "baksheesh is how other cultures work, and this inane attempt to 'combat corruption' is really just thinly-disguised cultural imperialism justifying usg statal overreach"
16:01 ben_vulpes "next you'll want to disband the tribes of the fertile crescent!"
16:01 ben_vulpes owait.png
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16:25 mircea_popescu heh.
16:26 mircea_popescu but yes, "fight against corruption" === "usg wants to steal your country"
16:26 mircea_popescu that's the codeword for non-usg-compliant-orc : "corrupt".
16:27 mircea_popescu makes sense on their twisted level, anyone who doesn't see the glory of the libertard revelation is either insane (trump) or else corrupt (if orc).
16:27 mircea_popescu though they're trying to corrupt narrative with trump also. just, they're so deeply racist that they won't believe a "citizen" could possibly be anything but insane. sluggish schizophrenia ftw!
16:27 mircea_popescu whereas an orc is necessarily corrupt, cuz dem niggers are stealing our womenz.
16:33 ben_vulpes superior orc seed
16:33 mircea_popescu anyway. the greeks are handling the postmodern soup a lot better than eg the germans.
16:34 ben_vulpes how's that?
16:34 mircea_popescu testament to how in a dictatorship the whore does a lot better than the engineer.
16:34 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes because they essentially dedicate themselves to extraction out of the would-be bigman.
16:34 ben_vulpes aah
16:34 mircea_popescu there's very little threat to greek national identity the dos can mount
16:34 mircea_popescu whereas german, or japanese identity is i suspect forever lost at this point.
16:35 mircea_popescu they'll never be anything more than a sort of mexicans, i can use them as cumrags but not as germans.
16:37 mircea_popescu hitler remains a very instructive illustration of the pitfals of hatred. yes he did destroy the british empire. there's not now nor ever will be any future for the shitheads spawned by that miserable island. the cost however... there's no germany nor will likely ever be one again.
16:37 mircea_popescu kinda why people tend to be cowardly in realpolitik. "yes i can nuke him, and that'll be the end of us both" sorta thing
16:39 ben_vulpes "The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by 'intelligence' like candy. Very un-American!" god i love realdonaldtrump
16:39 mircea_popescu amusingly, this is 2010 trilema. recently making the rounds on reddit, and such.
16:39 ben_vulpes the distribution of 'intelligence' by bureaucrats?
16:39 mircea_popescu (yes, the problems of the us today played out in romania a decade ago, hurr durr).
16:39 mircea_popescu yup.
16:39 mircea_popescu i can fish out the exact article for you if you're curious.
16:40 ben_vulpes mildly
16:40 ben_vulpes was there bitching at the top about the selective leaking?
16:41 ben_vulpes "Obamacare's markets are nearing failure as premiums climb and healthier individuals drop out" << did someone cancel the penalty for rolling uninsured or am i missing something here
16:42 trinque he told the IRS to stop enforcing it, yeah
16:43 ben_vulpes whoa wait how did i miss that
16:43 mircea_popescu yup.
16:43 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i dunno, was top ticket in my week 1 argument with stan.
16:44 ben_vulpes link?
16:44 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/a-t-spea-dosariada/ for the curious.
16:52 ben_vulpes worthwhile translation candidate?
16:53 mircea_popescu ugh.
16:53 mircea_popescu it's hard ;/
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17:17 ben_vulpes phf: man once i got the simulator all wired up boy howdy was it nice to have unified keybindings for the mobile scutwork
17:17 ben_vulpes appcode: no worse than xcode
17:17 ben_vulpes and at the very least shares keybindings with intellij/android studio
17:21 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://archive.is/M3T2W >> 'These games do not aim to make players feel successful and powerful as conventional video games do, and instead challenge people to look at the world in a different way. Creators of the games said they were more interested in showing the complicated lives of the people and places the world has left behind...'
17:22 asciilifeform 'Conway, the game’s main character, is put through numerous tough situations that evoke economic despair. In one scene, after he suffers a serious injury, his leg is replaced by a gleaming skeletal prosthetic, and he is vaguely informed that he owes money to a corporation. In another, he descends into a subterranean whiskey distillery staffed by animated skeletons, whom he learns are doomed to
17:22 asciilifeform toil endlessly for debts they can never repay.'
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18:19 ben_vulpes possible husseincare hack: sign up for 1 month of high-deductible, max out HSA contribution, discontinue insurance plan.
18:20 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what does this do ?
18:20 ben_vulpes pile up pre-tax dollars reserved for 'valid medical expenses' without incurring the insurance cost
18:22 asciilifeform and what's to keep'em from magicking away the moneys?
18:22 ben_vulpes which "them"?
18:22 ben_vulpes hsa administrator or usg?
18:22 asciilifeform either
18:22 ben_vulpes nothing as before
18:22 ben_vulpes it's a bezzle hack asciilifeform
18:23 ben_vulpes nothing compares to bitcoin we all know this
18:23 asciilifeform 'bezzle hacks' typically work until plebes start doing'em
18:23 ben_vulpes plebe's can't max out an hsa in one month, get real
18:23 ben_vulpes plebes*
18:24 asciilifeform what's 'max out' here? i slept in a cave, and have genuinely nfi
18:25 asciilifeform 100 $ ? 1000? 1e6 ?
18:25 ben_vulpes "health savings account" is an account into which someone on specific kinds of health insurance plans may deposit a maximum of 3 or 6ish shibux per annum
18:25 ben_vulpes 3e3-6e3 as f(family size)
18:26 asciilifeform aah pittance
18:26 asciilifeform maybe worx then
18:26 ben_vulpes still outta reach of plebs, and yes, pittance.
18:26 ben_vulpes robust tax strategy is a wall of pittances.
18:27 ben_vulpes entails*
18:33 mircea_popescu this is altogether dubious as a theory.
18:35 asciilifeform there was a mircea_popescu thread ! and possibly whole article also
18:35 asciilifeform 'get rich by picking up pennies from asphalt' lulz
18:39 ben_vulpes no getting rich here, just clawing back my pennies from the commies
18:39 ben_vulpes "what income? this other business showed a perfectly-offsetting loss."
18:39 ben_vulpes lest anyone get the wrong idea, i don't tend to pick fights with the irs.
18:40 asciilifeform betcha ben_vulpes cashes in his glass bottles also...
18:41 asciilifeform ( supposing this even exists in usa somewhere )
18:41 ben_vulpes ouch, no
18:42 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i am fair miserly though
18:43 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that's also a rather dubious strategy.
18:43 ben_vulpes can't win!
18:43 mircea_popescu understand that the system isn't there to fuck bahamas the imbecile nigger ; nor buffett the uberrich whiteboy.
18:44 mircea_popescu the system is there to fuck you.
18:44 mircea_popescu and it principally homes in the exact sort of middle class boy cleverness you discuss.
18:45 ben_vulpes what's the second dubious strat? not picking fights with the irs?
18:45 mircea_popescu meanwhile i'm sitting here looking at fy 2016 during which it seems i paid approximately 2.47%, and this is before figuring in the easements from the women i own.
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19:08 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> "Obamacare's markets are nearing failure as premiums climb and healthier individuals drop out" << did someone cancel the penalty for rolling uninsured or am i missing something here << "Rolling uninsured" penalty is trivial compared to Obamacare subscription
19:08 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: sure, if you don't have taxable income
19:09 mircea_popescu what you mean is, "if you're not trying to run a small business"
19:10 mircea_popescu speaking of which, the utter dearth of "small businesses! young people!" verbiage in the tower of maga is perhaps the lulziest part of all this.
19:11 ben_vulpes nono, instead we get "women executives"
19:11 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: iirc it maxed out at ~2k $. even if you were buffett.
19:11 asciilifeform the penalty, that is.
19:11 mircea_popescu "service economy" aka "we'll prosper through doing each other's laundry, babysitting each other's kids and drawing things on each other's napkins" to be replaced by "maga economy" aka "we'll prosper through hipsters in haliburton hard hats" or wtf.
19:11 ben_vulpes if it were "small businesses! young people!" the clamor for universal college debt jubilee would be deafening
19:12 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: max was total annual premiums for a "bronze" plan
19:12 mircea_popescu they actually call it that ?
19:12 mircea_popescu side question : do you get to sniff the plan ?
19:13 ben_vulpes it's a scratch-and-sniff
19:13 mircea_popescu !~google bronze sniffing
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19:13 mircea_popescu hm apparently this dun exist in anglo ?
19:13 mircea_popescu !~google aurolacii
19:13 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Black - Zet Feat. Teakă - Aurolacii (Cassette) at Discogs: <https://www.discogs.com/Black-Zet-Feat-Teak%25C4%2583-Aurolacii/release/5458734>; De ce sufla aurolacii in pungi? - Forumul Softpedia: <https://forum.softpedia.com/topic/848482-de-ce-sufla-aurolacii-in-pungi/>; aurolacii si passat_ul(b31uzzi) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DiZVK_O2uAEU>
19:13 ben_vulpes what is this 'bronze sniffing'?
19:13 mircea_popescu aurolac = instabronze, which is what ro urchins sniff.
19:14 ben_vulpes ah 'huffing'?
19:15 mircea_popescu aha.
19:20 mircea_popescu iirc it was plain glue + toluene + aluminum dust.
19:21 ben_vulpes whoa gross
19:21 mircea_popescu i'm pretty sure it's toluene because of the tell-tale parasympathetic lesions leading to loss of ability to regulate body heat in abusers.
19:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: about when did this come into fashion?
19:24 mircea_popescu depends. became a niche thing pre 70s ; otherwise during the 90s
19:25 mircea_popescu there's that picture of the naked kid sniffing from a bag in bucharest cca 2000 that gave it iconic status
19:25 asciilifeform because i have a distinct memory of a piece re 'sniffing' being wholly unknown until popularized by a certain nyt piece (wholly fabricated 'threat-or-menace?' hackjob)
19:25 mircea_popescu but it's self limiting enough that it never was as fashionable as i dunno, raising cats.
19:25 mircea_popescu nah.
19:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Huffing has been a thing since sad man first found petroleum seep
19:27 BingoBoingo Just NYT made it more popular in 1990's
19:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sniffing technological solvents is never going to be fashionable in the ipad sense for obvious reasons.
19:27 mircea_popescu i know the specs and etc because it was in the management class, workforce hazards.
19:27 mircea_popescu meanwhile workforce became you know, "in charge of its own destiny", consequently sniffs the hazards voluntarilt.
19:27 asciilifeform i've found 0 mentions in print dated prior ~1970, in any language. but then again i did not dedicate life to searching for this atlantis.
19:27 mircea_popescu quite the world.
19:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was a thing in the sense gayness was a thing. before the boring lametards got their grubby culturally appropriative hands on it, meausred in ppm but present.
19:31 asciilifeform plenty of descriptions of every conceivable type of buggery remain from ~all times and places for which we have text at all
19:31 mircea_popescu really ? what you got from 1950 ?
19:31 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VtO9G/?raw=true
19:31 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
19:31 asciilifeform where do i read about petrosniffers pre-70s
19:31 mircea_popescu that's my point. post ww2 there's very marked silence-post-centralisation.
19:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: j.e.hoover's papers alone
19:32 mircea_popescu well yes but sniffing solvent and writing on paper are rather mutually exclusive.
19:32 asciilifeform the witnesses write?
19:33 mircea_popescu http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632858/The-ultimate-living-How-poor-carve-living-SEWERS-Eastern-European-city.html << there
19:33 mircea_popescu the text is useless, but the images authentic.
19:34 asciilifeform looks to be re modern-day?
19:35 mircea_popescu decade ago or so. anyway, it's a subculture, inconsequential as it may be. in certain ways infinitely more authentic than the alternative interpretations.
19:38 asciilifeform in other 'news' -- 'modern watergate' etc. 'woman state' will remove mr.t, seems quite clear. even as a figurehead, too much of an irritant
19:38 mircea_popescu i'm kinda curious how this plays out myself.
19:42 ben_vulpes let us not forget how committed you were to "can not possibly win, clitler and lizards would never stand for it" you were, asciilifeform
19:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there is no time bound on 'clitler wins'
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19:43 mircea_popescu well, he likes to play the roll-up. win one, get to have been right all along :D
19:43 mircea_popescu right.
19:43 ben_vulpes good grief
19:43 mircea_popescu win symbolically, win eventually, win ironically, just as long as it's win!
19:43 ben_vulpes unfortunately, without skin in the game the man can keep "doubling down" forever.
19:43 mircea_popescu ikr ? pretty cool loophole he found there.
19:43 trinque anybody who fancies an interesting life might prefer he gets removed
19:44 trinque it'll piss the people who voted him in off quite a bit.
19:44 asciilifeform win in the concrete sense of obummery continuing ad infinitum
19:44 mircea_popescu trinque yeah, i wouldn't particulartly mind seeing the answer to that riddle play out
19:44 ben_vulpes anyways, asciilifeform is there a particular thing you're citing or just "moi moi, uber alles"?
19:44 mircea_popescu "is there such a thing as a white man left in the new world ? or did the redskins totally eat the colonists"
19:44 trinque if they did nothing after, piss on them; they aren't people
19:44 trinque aha
19:45 asciilifeform trinque: recall the oregon uprising thread ?
19:45 mircea_popescu anyway, it's funny how "winning" works out. white man went to new world to make the local idiots stop sucking. much like iraq today.
19:45 trinque asciilifeform: you need to go travel the parts of the country you consider "fly over" before we continue the thread
19:45 mircea_popescu in the end... the stupid side of the planet ended up dragging them to its own level.
19:45 mircea_popescu who knows how many before ?
19:46 asciilifeform trinque: let me know where to buy airplane ticket for, where, e.g., irs doesn't work
19:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform pick any large down ; go downtown. irs doesn't work.
19:46 mircea_popescu go to bucharest, talk to the guy depicted. no irs in those gutters.
19:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i understand , trinque was speaking of usa locales
19:47 mircea_popescu alrighty. los angeles. roxbury, since i just mentioned it. pittsburg.
19:47 mircea_popescu you name it.
19:47 mircea_popescu if it's got brownstone, irs dun work there.
19:48 trinque didn't the oregon militia people get off anyway?
19:48 asciilifeform if yer white and with net worth denominated wholly in irstronium -- mega-surprise, irs works in antarctica. and on pluto.
19:48 trinque aside the guy they shot, and iirc it was *one* guy that died
19:48 mircea_popescu one died the rest walked iirc.
19:48 mircea_popescu kinda how enforcement works at that level.
19:49 trinque waco to letting 'em walk in two decades
19:49 trinque progress!
19:49 mircea_popescu "there's nothing we can do but we realloy really wanna do something so we'll accidentallty shoot one".
19:51 trinque I recall having a neighbor from $southernshithole a while back
19:51 trinque guy roughed up a girl he liked so he carved his lungs out
19:52 trinque cops let him skip town
19:52 trinque "irs didn't work" there
19:52 trinque asciilifeform: there are people you've never seen in your life
19:52 asciilifeform it also dun work for jon corzine
19:52 asciilifeform (granted i never met him in the meat either.)
19:52 asciilifeform or that saudi prince d00d.
19:53 mircea_popescu yes but fewer of these.
19:53 asciilifeform there are plenty of interesting folx i never met, trinque . but meeting them does not magically turn anyone into them.
19:53 mircea_popescu i would offer it as a fact that there's more people within the contiguous 51 states (bahamas addedone, what!) on whom the irs dun work than there's webdevelopers.
19:55 asciilifeform quite likely
19:55 asciilifeform btw i suspect this is where the real bile re 'invading mexican' comes out of.
19:56 mircea_popescu lafond makes a great point at some point, that "violence" in the millitant style the us represents it as is principally a product of the second sons of a favoured class.
19:57 asciilifeform from the humblest retail monkey to the dourest engineer, folx paid in irstronium can agree to hate the paperless d00d who has nfi that tax even exists.
19:57 mircea_popescu this is entirely correct, "black thug" is generally the neglected son of a respectable black accountant with an earned college degree.
19:57 mircea_popescu similarily, the "invading mexican" is the son of a woman who moved there in the 50s barefoot and married the police chief.
19:58 mircea_popescu so yes, it's a class warfare thing. two heads of the aspirational hydra - one that aspires through "stem" and the other that aspires through "business".
19:58 asciilifeform ~all adventurers are 'second sons', i thought this was elementary
19:58 mircea_popescu in between sucking their cock for coke bumps, there's nothing the ironic cumrags from wellesley agree more heartedly about than how lame business majors are.
19:59 mircea_popescu the same dynamic repeats, yes, the dorky kids who took programming class hate the jocky kids who took fast and furious on tv.
19:59 mircea_popescu "it was supposed to be my pie in the sky and now you're eating it!"
20:00 mircea_popescu the only way a pie in the sky can even be eaten in the first place is this.
20:02 asciilifeform american 'academia' and 'business' differ only cosmetically
20:03 asciilifeform largely identical pyramids.
20:11 mircea_popescu hence the hatred.
~ 53 minutes ~
21:05 ben_vulpes in other amazings interpellating me on the way to the train: https://www.sites.google.com/site/superhappypoliticalparty/
~ 16 minutes ~
21:21 trinque legalize flying cars fuck yes, about time
21:23 asciilifeform gotta legalize antigrav first
21:23 asciilifeform firstthingsfirst.
21:27 mircea_popescu legalize getting killed.
~ 21 minutes ~
21:49 hanbot what's the proper name to ascribe to this super fun phenomenon wherein trb node happily catches up on blocks until 99.x% and then drops connections and stops seeing new blocks after <10mins?
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21:49 mircea_popescu blackholed ?
21:50 hanbot i assumed that entailed eventual unblackholing. granted i haven't had the patience to wait more than a day to see.
21:57 trinque might be interesting to collect some wireshark packets while this is going on.
21:57 trinque and to look at those alongside your log
21:57 mircea_popescu large project this, but yeah.
21:58 mircea_popescu i suspect one willing to live a monk's year with this might end up with a handful of servers inside ft meade in his hands.
21:58 mircea_popescu spinoza sort of job though.
22:08 mod6 shinohai: hey, thanks!
22:21 asciilifeform hanbot: first apply the basic litmus: does the thing eat rpc commands while blackholed ?
22:22 asciilifeform (if answer is no --> thing is choking on long-verify-and-dud blox from somewhere. find out from where.)
22:23 mod6 my test node gets bh'd all the time, still responds to rpc commands. i typically do the samething, stop. wait a bit, restart.
22:26 asciilifeform mod6: that'd be the other kind of blackhole, aha.
22:28 asciilifeform also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command)
22:33 mod6 yup, i should add that I am running with malleus.
22:45 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command) << Bloom isn't what disconnects most PRB nowadays. It is "BIP 151 compact blocks".
22:58 * BingoBoingo enjoys the plot of every Tom Clancy novel playing out in role reversed fashion. Brave russians help patriotic Americans save nation from decades old KGB plot.
23:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo has it.
23:00 BingoBoingo Seriously fucking cultural marxism was THE soviet wunderwaffen. Putin is doing the world a service by trying to disarm it.
23:01 BingoBoingo !~step8
23:01 jhvh1 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
23:01 mircea_popescu no i meant re bip 151
23:01 BingoBoingo AHA
23:02 BingoBoingo Coding patch to simply say "no" to compact blocks and restore TRB/PRB communion would likely be trivial, BUT setting that precedent is impossibru
23:03 mircea_popescu eh, not like they run any nodes anyway.
23:03 BingoBoingo Still power rangers don't get to add faggy pinky stuff to node handshake.
23:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they run enough nodes to be palpably annoying.
23:06 mircea_popescu consumer + cloud junk
23:07 asciilifeform btw folx, don't forget about my handy aws-banhammertron.
23:07 asciilifeform worx wonders.
23:09 asciilifeform incidentally i realized that, sadly, trb will need a (simple) patch in order to link via 'g'. from simple fact that, by default, it does not like to connect to 127.0.0.1:weirdport
23:09 mircea_popescu not the end of teh worlds.
23:09 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
23:09 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1022.38, vol: 3983.27409306 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1004.736, vol: 4677.29534 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1024.4, vol: 7022.72149854 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1025.07, vol: 1271.51227339 | Volume-weighted last average: 1018.55100047
23:13 asciilifeform in other lelz, https://archive.is/TanpJ >> 'U.S. intelligence officials have withheld sensitive intelligence from President Donald Trump because they are concerned it could be leaked or compromised, according to current and former officials familiar with the matter.'
23:13 mircea_popescu this'd be a hanging offense wouldn't it.
23:13 asciilifeform theoretically.
23:13 BingoBoingo !~google "navy seal" "trump flag"
23:13 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Navy SEALs caught flying Trump flag on Humvee - The San Diego ...: <http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/the-intel/sd-me-seals-flag-20170203-story.html>; Navy SEAL convoy spotted flying 'unauthorized' Trump flag: <http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/navy-seal-convoy-spotted-flying-unauthorized-trump-flag/>; A special warfare unit was spotted flying a Trump flag in public. Now ...: (1 more message)
23:13 asciilifeform but they pulled on his balls -- and afaik they came right off.
23:14 asciilifeform vizier -- thrown to the vultures.
23:14 mircea_popescu let's not overstate flynn lel. bannon's teh vizier. so far he outranks cia on the nsc.
23:14 asciilifeform i'd picture that he is next 'ru stooge' then.
23:15 mircea_popescu as i said, it's fun to watch.
23:15 asciilifeform for 'special investigatory commission' to remove.
23:15 mircea_popescu beats the superbowl at any rate.
23:16 asciilifeform '“This is not about who won the election. This is about concerns about institutional integrity,” said Mark Lowenthal, a former senior intelligence official.'
23:16 mircea_popescu anyway. certainly not "next". they've been whining about him since day one, he'd have been 1st, 2nd and 100th, if only could. but the noise is soundly muted out of apparent desperation.
23:16 asciilifeform the last d00d who has this problem, AND solved it 100% -- was stalin. in '37.
23:16 BingoBoingo This year's superbowl was rare good game, and Trump/Brady won in the end
23:18 asciilifeform 'institutional integrity' folx : 1. mr.t : 0. so far.
23:19 trinque no denying flynn was a "rein in teh shadow state" guy, and got popped
23:19 asciilifeform trinque: the correct response would be top 500 of cia org chart found hanging on meat hooks. and afaik no report of this.
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23:20 mircea_popescu myeah.
23:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude that is like the most inept scoring i ever saw. for one thing, trump scored like 500 touchdowns. for the other, srsly flynn is half a point.
23:21 mircea_popescu get out of here with this dumb shit, you're the equivalent of the prison bitch who "prison bitch : 1 ; prison system : 0" because asshole already loose anyway.
23:22 mircea_popescu and if you're going to count flynn, then "some judge" is worth about what, 72 points and three superbowl nipples ?
23:22 asciilifeform how many judges removed by mr.t to date ?
23:22 mircea_popescu all of them, +/-.
23:22 mircea_popescu us president stated on the record that us federal judge is inept and not to be taken seriously.
23:22 mircea_popescu what more can you want ?
23:23 asciilifeform meathooks.
23:23 * asciilifeform is simple man.
23:23 mircea_popescu i don't see flynn on any meathooks. be consistent.
23:23 BingoBoingo Anyways, gotta make meathook factory first
23:23 mircea_popescu inconsistent simplicity is indistinguishable from wilful stupidity.
23:23 asciilifeform i'd guess that if he doesn't end on a meathook, it is because he is willing to follow instructions.
23:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hecho en mexico!
23:24 trinque no shit huh? now they know how to meathooks
23:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why not guess the same but the other way ? "i never made a budget in a public institution, but if i had i'd know you always overprovision so the '''watchdogs''' can cut something and feel useful. i guess flynn was that."
23:25 asciilifeform balloon ballast?
23:25 mircea_popescu fits flynn better than "vizier" at any rate.
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