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00:04 BingoBoingo Hence kinda win for Trump getting Flynn out. Lack of grabbing determination.
00:04 BingoBoingo Forearm strength is not enough!
00:06 mircea_popescu myeah
00:06 BingoBoingo Military man can do pushups, but does he have it in his heart to grab the pussy and pull himself up?
00:11 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/being-a-sucker/ << Trilema - Being a sucker
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02:40 phf asciilifeform: another one of little languages for your consideration https://github.com/zserge/partcl
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08:52 asciilifeform phf: pretty lulzy, advertises 'Runs well on bare metal embedded MCUs (~10k of flash is required)' but... uses a heap
09:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613801 << one more for the 'if he used crypto, he might still be on his throne' list
09:07 a111 Logged on 2017-02-14 04:48 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-national-security-advisor-michael-flynn-blackmailed-into-resignation-by-us-deep-state/ << Qntra - US National Security Advisor Michael Flynn Blackmailed Into Resignation By US "Deep State"
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09:50 shinohai !~later tell mod6 please republish the pherkin tests for me plox thx
09:50 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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10:12 mircea_popescu not really asciilifeform ; the russians made no secret of it.
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10:33 mircea_popescu it's not like he was some sort of person, with whom you'd want to meet ~for him~. nobody wants to meet with michael flynn for michael flynn, and this includes his own offspring, let alone people who are actually somebody.
10:33 mircea_popescu the only reason they'd meet with him was if it would count ; much like the only reason you take kim's ass out is if you can then put it on your twinstagram
10:34 mircea_popescu for it to count it can't be denied, which comes down to, because michael flynn contains nothing, encryption doesn't help him in any way.
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10:35 mircea_popescu which speaks directly to the greater point : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611824
10:35 a111 Logged on 2017-02-06 17:27 mircea_popescu: Reuel the notion that "the world" somehow "exists" and it is incumbent for reality to "convince it" thus getting that supposed world which somehow exists to empower actual reality is rank nonsense.
10:35 mircea_popescu "i can't see how crypto relates to me" is exactly how phantoms say "i think i mgiht be a phantom masquerading as a person". they're usually right, too.
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11:46 mircea_popescu and in other "stop this motherfucking spaceship i want to get off", try and find a youtube tannenbaum that's not fucking lyrical to saccharine proportions.
11:46 mircea_popescu what the everloving fuck is wrong with these dorks, from bocelli onwards. IT IS NOT A LYRICAL PIECE!!!
11:47 mircea_popescu it's a fucking military march for chrissakes. has the last arranger left in this world died, forgotten and alone ?
12:01 lobbes mircea_popescu, regarding lobbesbot billing for auctions: I'm assuming it should be spitting out a signed bill. Problem being that lobbesbot currently sits on VPS, and I don't want my personal signing key to reside on that box. Would it be a bad idea to sign these bills with lobbesbot's key instead?
12:04 lobbes Other option I guess being I just keep running tabs and bill once a month or somesuch from my local box, signing from there
12:07 danielpbarron does it need to sign things?
12:15 lobbes No real *need*, I guess. But if we are going to be deeding these things then I figured I ought to start thinking about what that'd entail from my end
12:19 trinque I don't see that they need to. Rather, deedbot ought to output regular deeds of the transactions it has processed in a given period (week/month)
12:20 trinque lobbes: there will be a human operator running the auction, right?
12:20 mircea_popescu lobbes it having own key seems logical to me
12:20 mircea_popescu trinque notrly.
12:20 trinque a ok
12:20 mircea_popescu thatr's kind of the gain, since the bot is active minimum auction went from ~1mn ecu (bout 10 bux) to 5% that.
12:26 danielpbarron i was thinking a signed thing per auction for the bidder/auctioneer to do something with
12:26 danielpbarron thinking as in, i thought that's what you were talking about; not that i think it's needed
12:27 trinque mircea_popescu: so if the whole thing gets signed, something like this? >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZG1n8/?raw=true
12:27 trinque where signer is the intended recipient of funds
12:28 mircea_popescu danielpbarron nah the idea is more http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-02-08.log.html#t17:05:28
12:28 danielpbarron what is the purpose of a signature? generally i mean. because as I understand it, if the goal isn't to make the text public, it is possible to achieve whatever you want through 2 decryptions in the place of 1 signature
12:29 mircea_popescu danielpbarron it's an invoice. the idea is you pay to run an auction.
12:30 mircea_popescu yeah trinque something like that. we'd have to nail down a permanent invoice format
12:30 danielpbarron is the invoice meant to be held against someone in public in the case they don't pay? and that's why it is signed?
12:30 mircea_popescu and yes, singer = intended recipient ; this way lobbes can make lobbesbot a deedbot account and get paid.
12:31 mircea_popescu danielpbarron the only reason it's signed (by the bot) is so that deedbot can distinguish it from a spoof.
12:31 mircea_popescu it's a 3 party system, see, biller, billee and banker.
12:31 trinque I will also be piling up the signed material for my records
12:34 mircea_popescu the problem with having unsigned invoices is that one morning you wake up and there's 2 ^ 64 invoices waiting for you.
12:36 danielpbarron how does deedbot deal with having 2 ^ 64 up requests?
12:37 mircea_popescu suppose you have 3 you absolutely must pay among there. i hope youbrought a big http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy/
12:38 mircea_popescu danielpbarron > dev/null/ except if there's something in there you want. then you're sol.
12:38 trinque lol
12:38 trinque "WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT!"
12:39 mircea_popescu danielpbarron make sense ?
12:40 danielpbarron so signatures could be said to put the burden on the one making the request, as an anti-spam measure
12:41 trinque also, the OTP dance doesn't by itself confirm that A received B's invoice as it was intended.
12:41 trinque it was why I asked about human operator
12:41 mircea_popescu essentially. it allows to filter the flood at the gate. if invoices are not signed then deedbot has to talk to person any time an electric interaction happens ; if they are signed person can have whitelists, deedbot need only talk to person when meaningful occurs.
12:41 danielpbarron signature doesn't confirm that either
12:42 mircea_popescu the whole point of republican activity being to leverage computing power to protect wetware circuitry as much as feasible and no more.
12:43 trinque danielpbarron: specifically in transit; I can't control what goes on in your castle, nor you in mine.
12:44 danielpbarron the otp is functionally the same as a signature for the purpose of keeping text unmollested, and also the same in that neither can ensure a message is ever actually received
12:44 trinque elaborate on that "is"
12:45 trinque I get unsigned text, I give you an encrypted OTP; how then are you to know that OTP corresponds on my end to an unmodified copy of your invoice?
12:45 mircea_popescu danielpbarron ie, you'd rather lobbesbot says something to deedbot, then !!v's ?
12:45 trinque I had already considered this, and one avenue there was to put the invoice data back into the encrypted challenge
12:46 trinque that adds a step on lobbesbot's side that's unnecessary
12:46 danielpbarron i'm trying to understand when a signature is prefered over a handshake of encrypted unsigned texts
12:46 trinque sure, explaining.
12:46 mircea_popescu speaking of which trinque : it's somewhat dubious you send plain otps. you should send request.string+otp.
12:47 danielpbarron trinque, yeah the reply contains the first message plus the responce. 3rd message (if needed) contains text of 2nd message, and so on..
12:47 trinque aha, I will change that.
12:48 trinque we're pretty close to me bringing in an updated version of the bot
12:48 danielpbarron that is, 3rd message only needs to contain the reply part of the 2nd message. it's not necessary to keep the entire conversation
12:48 mircea_popescu i don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the otp approach as opposed to the signature approach tbh.
12:48 trinque testing currently in #trilema-trinque
12:49 trinque mircea_popescu: just means that lobbesbot must have state which keeps track of requests sent, then matches them to incoming OTP, then sends OTP if ==
12:50 mircea_popescu yes, it's no longer fire-and-forget to bill.
12:50 mircea_popescu contrairiwise, there's not a lbockchain, ie, ever-growing pile of signed data
12:51 mircea_popescu trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ?
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12:52 mircea_popescu if yes the system's unbound, if no then why the fuck even bother, just do otp from get-go.
12:53 trinque hm, yeah. there's a good argument against building a shitty blockchain here.
13:04 mircea_popescu blockchain technology chiefly consists of knowing when NOT to implement one.
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14:03 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: yellen still planning to raise rates
14:04 ben_vulpes OFC
14:04 mircea_popescu is this good for magacoin ?
14:04 ben_vulpes i think i found some great again in my butthairs last night
14:05 mircea_popescu dingleagain
14:05 ben_vulpes make my butthole great again, baby
14:05 mircea_popescu i... i didn't know you swung that way
14:06 ben_vulpes hey, wiping one's own ass is for poorfags
14:08 mircea_popescu yes but making it great is for proper fags eh.
14:10 ben_vulpes wouldn't really know! just crackin wize
14:11 mircea_popescu did your irc just write checks your mabha can't squash ?
14:15 ben_vulpes in other morning reading: http://68.media.tumblr.com/52d3875c897c25f530683047c2a4d076/tumblr_oate2xx1BW1si95b9o1_500.jpg
14:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've been digging for the thread where we discussed CFB ('cipher block chaining'), the infamous penguin, etc. but could not find
14:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590007 ?
14:17 a111 Logged on 2016-12-24 01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all schemes where the transform is of 'payload itself' and 0 entropy, suffer from immediate 'penguin problem', https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/Tux_ecb.jpg .
14:18 asciilifeform i found that one. but i thought there was also another where i suggested a sideways cut of the knot
14:18 mircea_popescu hm
14:18 mircea_popescu i vaguely remember this
14:19 asciilifeform specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r
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14:20 asciilifeform you encipher the x1,x2,.....x_n with one key, and the y1,y2...y_n with another.
14:20 mircea_popescu what happens if i find x y and xor em ?
14:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you do this every time, after you decrypt the x- and y- blocks.
14:20 asciilifeform to get the original payload.
14:21 asciilifeform what we've done here is to destroy the structure of the penguin
14:21 asciilifeform without chaining the blockcipher's blocks
14:21 mircea_popescu ie better padding ?
14:21 asciilifeform not only.
14:22 asciilifeform each block ciphrator is now eating what is individually a trng stream.
14:22 mircea_popescu that;s definitionally "better padding" neh?
14:22 asciilifeform right, but this is not normally where 'padding' is used. but yes.
14:22 mircea_popescu right.
14:26 asciilifeform so the win is, since you dispense with feedback, you can parallelize encipher and decipher, blockwise.
14:26 mircea_popescu provided your rng is good.
14:26 asciilifeform at least one of the losses, however, is that you now need a serious rng on the transmitter.
14:26 asciilifeform aha
14:26 mircea_popescu actually : the quality of the rng is the limit on the parallelization.
14:26 asciilifeform and you are also limited now to its bit rate.
14:27 asciilifeform there is no limit to the parallelization (it is exactly (bytes in paylod)/(the block size of the cipher) threads ) but you cannot generate a new ciphertext any faster than your rng will give it to you.
14:28 asciilifeform the good news is that you can stack up as many rng as you like...
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14:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well yes, exactly.
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15:07 Reuel I found your garlic, you vampires! https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=75&v=1_W-7hd4T2I
15:08 Reuel Anyway, loved the plumber stories!
15:14 Reuel Riled me up
15:26 mircea_popescu wassat ?
15:38 Reuel the link? it is the beauty of diversity and the power of friendship
15:38 Reuel hte main ingredients of bitcoin
15:39 Reuel but really I just wanted to say I liked the http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumbin-plumber/ and sequel
15:39 Reuel just couldnt resist posting that video I ran into
15:50 mircea_popescu cool.
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16:21 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
16:21 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1010.01, vol: 6465.29193217 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 994.997, vol: 6574.49599 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1010.5, vol: 11859.53838786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 982.797088, vol: 6661.63570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1012.999, vol: 1909.52092443 | Volume-weighted last average: 1001.98900183
16:21 BingoBoingo That stabilitit
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16:45 mircea_popescu nice.
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17:01 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/14/status-isnt-a-zero-sum-attention-game/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Status isn’t a zero-sum attention game.
17:01 mircea_popescu hey, nice header.
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17:36 asciilifeform in other lulz, 'US President Donald Trump has been tough on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” the Crimea peninsula to Ukraine, the White House spokesman told reporters.'
17:36 asciilifeform '"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at the daily news briefing on Tuesday. “At the same time, he fully expects to – and wants to – get along with Russia."'
17:42 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: cheers. photo was taken on first trip to europe. house exchange in denmark/germany in the days before airbnb.
17:44 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i profit little from things that other people say they plan to do. you also can't dress today for tomorrow's weather.
17:47 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: just trying to cheer you up, buddy!
17:48 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: haha you're very sweet
17:49 mircea_popescu o hey, this should be interesting.
17:52 mircea_popescu o hey!
17:52 ben_vulpes !!up mike_c
17:52 deedbot mike_c voiced for 30 minutes.
17:52 ben_vulpes you there, boss?
17:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: his ghost ship has been orbiting for ages
17:53 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: hope springs eternal
17:53 ben_vulpes a man may be forgiven the odd transmission to otherwise apparently derelict friends' vessels
17:55 ben_vulpes if only join/parts weren't so frequently so spammy; it'd be nicely contextual for eg the previous conversation in logs
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18:51 asciilifeform in other lulz, supposedly fuhrer of northkr finally had his half-brother poisoned:
18:51 asciilifeform 'Malaysian police official Fadzil Ahmat told The Star that Mr Kim had alerted a receptionist, saying "someone had grabbed him from behind and splashed a liquid on his face". But quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama, the same official said a woman had come at him from behind and "covered his face with a cloth laced with a liquid". Earlier reports spoke of a "spray" being used or a needle. His eyes "suffered burns as a result of the
18:51 asciilifeform liquid", Fadzil Ahmat told Bernama, and he died on the way to hospital in nearby Putrajaya.'
18:53 asciilifeform ^ this rumour is interesting to asciilifeform because he is unaware of any poison that fits this description that would not equally endanger the wielder
18:53 BingoBoingo Maybe endangering weilder is part of the point?
18:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 1 corpse
18:54 BingoBoingo Weilder willing to die for kimchi fuhrer
18:54 BingoBoingo 1 corpse people makes new, other dies later?
18:55 asciilifeform fwiw i am unaware of a poison where (supposing it was strictly wet-rag delivery) you get this.
18:55 asciilifeform perhaps mircea_popescu can think of one.
18:55 BingoBoingo HF
18:55 BingoBoingo Or anything else mixed with enough DMSO
18:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if dmso, there'd be a dead medic or two
18:56 asciilifeform and afaik there was not
18:56 BingoBoingo Only if medic got solution on skin. DMSO itself is not mega poison, just mega transporter through skin
18:56 asciilifeform we had dmso thread, sure
18:57 asciilifeform ( >> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-13#378362 )
18:57 a111 Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO
18:59 asciilifeform the 'burns' part suggests hf.
19:02 BingoBoingo The early "spray" and "needle" reports way also be true. Perhaps assassins did multiple poisons and administration routes.
19:03 asciilifeform seems like a bother.
19:03 asciilifeform (unless you're fulfilling contract on, e.g., rasputin)
19:05 BingoBoingo If your are loyal Best Korean, how is the Fallen Scion of dear leader different from Mr. Morningstar who taunted Elliot in the hell that was Isla Vista.
19:06 BingoBoingo HF to face for burns and calcium channel disruption and distraction to sneak other calcium channel disruptor into butt.
19:07 BingoBoingo Slow HF face burns force closed vs open casket dilemma as passage of time biases towards closed casket
19:15 mircea_popescu eh, dude prolly grabbed some pussy, got wine to face.
19:16 BingoBoingo Make Korea Great Again!!!
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19:49 BingoBoingo http://augustacrime.com/lakeside-high-students-arrested-for-oral-sex-at-school/?PageSpeed=noscript
19:51 ben_vulpes good for them
19:51 ben_vulpes if only there were an ounce of "prove it" left in america.
19:52 ben_vulpes hang 'em on hearsay i guess
19:54 trinque probably had nonzero amount to do with him being black
19:54 trinque the parent probably looks at too many of those SUPERIOR AFRICAN SEED pictures
19:56 ben_vulpes baww, oroville damn evacuation lifted
19:56 ben_vulpes dam*
19:58 BingoBoingo Seems a bit early...
19:58 ben_vulpes right?
19:58 ben_vulpes so "baww" but perhaps the lols compound
19:58 trinque http://augustacrime.com/augusta-woman-attacks-boyfriend-for-refusing-sex/ << wahahaha meth
19:58 ben_vulpes and by lols i mean deaths-by-bureaucrat
19:58 trinque this site's pretty good
19:59 mircea_popescu i like the "pagespeed" setting
19:59 BingoBoingo !~google "kankakee torrent"
19:59 mircea_popescu at least they're honest.
19:59 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Kankakee Torrent - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kankakee_Torrent>; KANKAKEE TORRENT - Emporia State University: <http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/decinque1/kankeejd.html>; Kankakee Torrent and other Sheet Flooding - Cintos.org: <http://cintos.org/SaginawManifold/Saginaw_Bay/Torrents/index.html>
19:59 mircea_popescu "would you like this slow as shit or slow as snails ?"
20:00 ben_vulpes > threatened to run over one of the deputies with a baby stroller
20:00 ben_vulpes well now i gotta see this f350 of baby strollers
20:00 ben_vulpes i don't have enough compenstors on the ground yet apparently if there's a baby stroller type to be had
20:05 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/ZaRXv
20:09 mircea_popescu ahahaha in the best lulz odf all time, chelsea clinton has political ambitions.
20:10 mircea_popescu (we know this because the ~only portion of the donkey party still standing, ie the socialists that tried to push sanders failfully, are VERY butthurt at the notion.)
20:12 mircea_popescu http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/13/mainstream-media-whines-trump-calls-less-establish/ << in other lulz
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22:26 asciilifeform !~later tell ben_vulpes your client is leaking ip
22:26 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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