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← 2016-09-27 | 2016-09-29 → ↓
00:09 asciilifeform in other entomological curios, http://www.envieta.com
00:12 asciilifeform who said 'crypto snakeoil for $maxint while you wait!' died with the '90s.
00:12 shinohai the pic of the security admin alone was worth the visit
00:19 ben_vulpes > some of us even teach web dev in a graduate cs program
00:19 ben_vulpes my eyes
00:21 trinque ben_vulpes: man, last job I had to interact with some guy who was doing a dissertation on... some python/postgresql CMS
00:21 trinque doctor of shitstackology!
00:21 ben_vulpes my evens
00:21 ben_vulpes i can't them
00:21 ben_vulpes > cryptologist
00:21 ben_vulpes waaaaat
00:23 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: what's your standard epoxy of preference?
~ 15 minutes ~
00:39 asciilifeform in other old flimflammeries, http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/auschwitz-angel-of-death-josef-mengeles-unknown-writings-to-be-auctioned-124801054.html
~ 19 minutes ~
00:58 asciilifeform and, somewhat relatedly, https://archive.is/0Etht .
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~ 3 hours 16 minutes ~
04:15 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#486 << plox line in question if possible?
04:15 scriba Logged on 2016-09-27: [20:57:23] <asciilifeform> it missed a line from me.
04:16 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#157 << hm it (znc) *does* replace ACTION with '*', normally
04:16 scriba Logged on 2016-09-27: [14:25:47] <phf> so there's at least two bugs happening here :) somehow it's missing from btcbase and Framedragger's znc (or is it the python bot) is leaking ACTION marks
04:16 Framedragger i'll later check scriba's version of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#132 , it stores raw irc logs
04:16 scriba Logged on 2016-09-27: [13:14:42] <asciilifeform> ACTION woke up from dream where we had 4th conf. this time, at mircea_popescu's house, which turned out to be a gigantic repurposed office park, wunderwaffen in every room, even the nazi 'Glocke' neutron generator; we sat in a great hall and drank mead and thanked odin for the gift of valour; then went to the tank room and each pulled gigantic sea
04:16 scriba slugs, shaped like various animals, e.g., pig, out of a tank, and by the choice mircea_p
04:17 Framedragger aha, i wonder if the sending irc client encoded msg in some strange charset, and ACTION was *not* technically the first set of characters in that message, from point of view of znc.
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04:19 Framedragger <<1474982082.5600033 :asciilifeform!~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform PRIVMSG #trilema :^AACTION woke up from dream
04:19 Framedragger hm seems fine, i.e. it's ^^AACTION
04:20 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Usually JB weld in old or "Klear" flavors
04:23 Framedragger asciilifeform: ...so, how's the rest of that dream, then? did you eat them slugs?
04:23 Framedragger s/^^AACTION/^AACTION/
04:33 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/kwUYH << "Feels good man"
~ 1 hours 23 minutes ~
05:57 thestringpuller is the BingoBoingo still awake?
06:05 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549417 <<< horribru
06:05 a111 Logged on 2016-09-27 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DMu9PKWthLE << for opera connoisseurs si nu numai.
~ 21 minutes ~
06:27 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549523 just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair
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06:27 a111 Logged on 2016-09-27 22:32 pete_dushenski: man alive flights to ireland are priiiicey. more than oz even. /me will be waiting for a deal like a good jew.
~ 3 hours ~
09:27 shinohai http://archive.is/TtEEm <<< That'll stop that hacker from releasing these photos!
09:41 Framedragger http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/11/social-justice-warriors-declare-battle-on-colleague-for-exposing-their-research/ (courtesy of punkman) << good stuff.
09:41 Framedragger new account https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview
09:43 Framedragger https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779780977698574336
09:44 Framedragger "the pleasure of whiteness" https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779238227781808128
09:49 asciilifeform '@Real_PeerReview highlighted more than 1,000 scholarly papers in four months. Many were essentially Mad Libs with various topics inserted between the phrases “whiteness,” “hegemony,” and the “patriarchy.”' << sop since '80s. it will die with usg and not before.
09:50 Framedragger next time i'm desperate for cash i'll make a markov bot which will include those keywords, and will spam research funding agencies.
09:50 asciilifeform not how it works.
09:51 asciilifeform gotta be properly aryan and in their wot.
09:51 Framedragger guess so.
09:52 Framedragger not underprivileged enough
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10:35 mircea_popescu hhhola!
10:36 mircea_popescu ahahaah, getting spam from smaswanganyi@justice.gov.za. actually, not spoofed.
10:37 Framedragger noice.
10:38 Framedragger on my work email end on the other hand, multiple emails as of late, sent from director, with instructions to pay to this fiat bank acct and that fiat bank acct.
10:38 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#39 << for the record, i didn't even know that was a thing.
10:38 scriba Logged on 2016-09-28: [03:06:04] <ben_vulpes> me, sure, give me 500mm and 2 years. instructables though? great hopes for instructables? and wikipedia, right?
10:39 mircea_popescu i suppose there's no end of expert ses change.
10:39 Framedragger like, legit uk and polish bank account details. wonder if they belong to old granny who gives out passwords to her grandson
10:39 mircea_popescu sex change*
10:39 mircea_popescu Framedragger well look in at headers and delivery path
10:39 mircea_popescu if you own the mailserver at least.
10:40 Framedragger didn't even have time to investigate, honestly not sure if worth it, reported bank details to banks in question as per process, but that's about it
10:40 Framedragger yeah.
10:40 mircea_popescu Framedragger the way that works is, you can open business online ; and then bank account from it.
10:40 mircea_popescu anyone willing to spend 1mn can have ~10k us registered businesses by friday sort of thing.
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10:41 Framedragger well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl
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10:41 mircea_popescu i doubt you do.
10:41 Framedragger i tried to do just that while being away from uk!
10:41 mircea_popescu note that what people tell each other and what is actually the case never have yet matched in the history of people.
10:42 Framedragger but maybe didn't try hard enough, because, you know, i could just walk in later
10:42 mircea_popescu exactly.
10:43 mircea_popescu plus there's also the legions of captcha solvers / employees working remote etc. but i doubt anyone spends that much effort.
10:43 Framedragger this relates to the "not a bank if no rsa in relevant wot" point.
10:43 mircea_popescu one obvious explanation would be that the accts in question belong to a derp who has agreed to "handle comissions for international firm"
10:43 mircea_popescu which i think is supported by >1 bn pieces of yearly mail.
10:44 mircea_popescu recall the good old days when people wanted to get money from the cattle ? things have changed, the cattle is now poor enough that people want its moo not its money.
10:44 Framedragger heheh. oh yeah. i also forgot about them craigslist job posts, as well $x's friend's boyfriend who asked $x to temporarily hold some money in $x's acct because reasons
10:44 mircea_popescu this is an important societal change that of course "nobody could have predicted" and nobody noticed. because that's what "modern democracy" governments are for, to stick hand in sand.
10:45 mircea_popescu cattle couldn't have done that independently well enough. needed collective ostrich built.
10:46 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/#comment-119267 << vaguely related, it's ever so sad that the fiat minds never seem quite ready to actually engage.
10:46 mircea_popescu it's like boys in clubs, all they really wanna do is rub on you a little. if that.
10:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549649 << ~hundy each, depending on where registered. the postbox costs more.
10:54 a111 Logged on 2016-09-28 14:40 mircea_popescu: anyone willing to spend 1mn can have ~10k us registered businesses by friday sort of thing.
10:55 mircea_popescu myeah.
10:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549650 << in usa also. 'patriot act'. dun even matter if acct is for human or for corp.
10:55 a111 Logged on 2016-09-28 14:41 Framedragger: well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl
10:55 asciilifeform no exceptions.
10:55 asciilifeform gotta walk in and show govt papers.
10:55 asciilifeform (driving license usually)
10:56 mircea_popescu i know for a fact i registered corp/bank acct/paypal etc while in costa rica.
10:56 asciilifeform in what american state ?
10:56 mircea_popescu delaware.
10:56 asciilifeform corp is easy, dime/dozen
10:57 asciilifeform bank, at least in past decade, demands the rituals. though i could easily believe that if you open acct and immediately drop $mil in it, they will close eyes.
10:58 mircea_popescu there's five billions things. open acct with hk branch, have it transferred. whoops.
10:58 asciilifeform ahahaha so not u.s. bank.
10:58 asciilifeform that there's cheating!111
10:58 mircea_popescu why not ?
10:58 mircea_popescu what, us banks don't have azn branches ?
10:58 mircea_popescu anyway, the notion that this calender would be watertight is laughable on the face.
10:59 mircea_popescu yes it's a calender, ie keeps the pasta in. but if you dump it in the sewer, don't expect you'll fish it out later and contents edible.
10:59 thestringpuller asciilifeform: US banks pretty much require id for nearly every single transaction you intend to make with them...
10:59 thestringpuller cash deposit into another person's account? "Papers and passport please"
11:00 mircea_popescu thestringpuller try a wire.
11:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is far from watertight, but to the lobster trapped inside it may as well be.
11:01 Framedragger thestringpuller: heh; up until maybe ~2012, UK banks allowed these cash deposits without any account or docs; so folks deposited cash into bitcoin exchange accounts; and then that changed. so it goes hm
11:01 mircea_popescu i can believe it.
11:01 mircea_popescu Framedragger it is possible i'm left stranded on some historical branch. i've been doing ever less banking over the years.
11:03 mircea_popescu back before bitcoin fucking banks were like, a major core ; these days, they barely count on the level of gardening.
11:03 thestringpuller capital controls never work.
11:04 asciilifeform eh define 'work'
11:04 asciilifeform it's rather like to say 'traffic police never works'
11:04 asciilifeform most folks stop at the red light without there being such a thing as a police car for miles. internal policeman, inside head.
11:05 asciilifeform and when they stop doing this, no amount of policing will move them, no.
11:05 thestringpuller or you stop so you don't fucking die, like when no light exist i.e. lightning storm
11:05 asciilifeform much of what passes for 'capital control' in usa is to prevent bezzleusd leakage
11:06 thestringpuller leak always gets bigger.
11:06 asciilifeform e.g., uppity salaryfolk getting their dough deposited into non-irs-controlled bank
11:07 asciilifeform when this fails, and it will, there ~will~ be ru-style hyperinflation, as the selfsame chumps use their megabux to bid up the cost of basic necessities
11:08 asciilifeform see mircea_popescu's old article where 'if i get a hundy, i get a hundy, but if everyone gets one - it is a disaster'
11:08 mircea_popescu dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars ; and actual food is already going into a spiral.
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11:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they have this strategy where all of the bid-up/sheepshaving happens in one particular racket, housing
11:09 asciilifeform everything else is kept down artificially, via agro subsidies etc
11:09 mircea_popescu back in 2005 i ate on the boston wharf ; bill came in a hundreds. today they come in the thousands.
11:09 asciilifeform for 1 plate??
11:09 asciilifeform or entire dirigible crew
11:10 mircea_popescu well what's an "eating", four to six people.
11:10 asciilifeform ah ok
11:10 asciilifeform in general, anything that is 'luxury' and not propped up by the great inca, rockets 'to the moon'
11:11 mircea_popescu yes, but anything that isn't luxury is, today unlike the days of the su, ersatz.
11:11 asciilifeform (well, 'propped down')
11:11 asciilifeform increasingly.
11:11 mircea_popescu the soviets had what, fake coffee and whatnot.
11:11 asciilifeform did i ever mention the tin pistol ?
11:11 mircea_popescu they still built housing out of concrete not chewed wasp nest.
11:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the orcs picked scarcity over ersatz.
11:12 asciilifeform because they were not konsoomer-oriented.
11:12 mircea_popescu aha.
11:12 mircea_popescu well, also because not technologically apt.
11:13 asciilifeform as if americans were.
11:13 asciilifeform or made own ersatz.
11:13 mircea_popescu army does not generally favour ersatz, but bulk ; and unlike us, the su was army-run. much like ~much all eastern tyrannies, from turks to what have you.
11:13 mircea_popescu whereas the us is a french colony through and through.
11:13 mircea_popescu ie, bureaucrat run.
11:13 mircea_popescu ersatz is those people's very life ; their existence is subjectively predicated on them being ersatz for actual people
11:13 mircea_popescu through the technomagic of "noblesse du robe" or whatever.
11:14 asciilifeform re: army-run, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508225 .
11:14 a111 Logged on 2016-07-21 19:54 asciilifeform: where my father worked they had always 3 bins.
11:14 mircea_popescu aha.
11:14 trinque it's like living on a cheap TV set. my neighbor's door - when kicked in two weeks ago - broke like balsa wood right along the only (soft) metal in the door, at the "lock"/"latch"
11:15 trinque this with rents at 1600/mo for the smallest
11:15 asciilifeform trinque: they are built like this deliberately, it is cheaper to repair than if the hinges are the weak part.
11:15 asciilifeform trinque: who did the kicking ?
11:15 trinque orcs
11:15 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#100 << for the record i fail to see the problem in the quoted fragment ; and can't be arsed to go read the whole thing. anyone wishes to explain what the problem is ?
11:15 scriba Logged on 2016-09-28: [13:44:43] <Framedragger> "the pleasure of whiteness" https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779238227781808128
11:15 asciilifeform ftr i was not able to decode it
11:16 asciilifeform it was, best as i can tell, the usual meat-assisted shannonizer output.
11:16 mircea_popescu it decodes here. feel free to ask or ?
11:16 trinque the cop was in a nervous sweat when he came to my door asking if I knew anything
11:16 trinque that was a serious wtf
11:17 asciilifeform !!up Mariono
11:17 deedbot Mariono voiced for 30 minutes.
11:17 Mariono i saw a thread on bitcointalk
11:17 Mariono https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1592575.0
11:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly enough, it could be rendered in terms of the mp-alf discussion ; on the alf side. it ~says "tyvm for telling us to be less poor ; here in africa no dirigible."
11:18 mircea_popescu Mariono prolly want to talk to shinohai if you need help ; otherwise register your key with deedbot
11:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly. i simply have trouble with the limba de lemn , it is thick.
11:18 Mariono oke :D
11:18 Mariono i already talk with him
11:20 mircea_popescu so it is. then again, it has to be pointed out that all these "studies" are derivative work of literary criticism and phenomenology as the philosophical discipline (80s variant, see eg stanford's "it is the study of structures of conscxiousness"). consequently they consist almost entirely out of terms of art.
11:20 mircea_popescu this is not in and of itself a bad thing.
11:20 mircea_popescu computer science, for instance, also almost entirely consists of terms of art.
11:21 mircea_popescu arguably about as tenuous a basis in reality (what is "a processor" ? really ?)
11:22 asciilifeform btw it is worth noting that current mathematical, etc. papers are scarcely distinguishable from the quoted rubbish.
11:22 Mariono !!register http://pastebin.com/raw/c2Nxm9ri
11:22 deedbot 738D28589D2CB44F02B44E0E43D55C24AA0E9947 registered as Mariono.
11:22 asciilifeform the cancer's been spreading for so long that it can be seen in the toenails.
11:22 mircea_popescu i can distinguish it. most recently proven for example when i flew off handle over something someone linked with triangles and squares.
11:22 mircea_popescu the person versed in the art can always distinguish art from rubbish. the problem is what versed means.
11:22 shinohai trinque: thank you for that btw, makes my job so much damned easier
11:23 trinque quite welcome
11:23 mircea_popescu shinohai doesn't it though!
11:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i meant 'typical paper'
11:23 mircea_popescu and we get to a) cut one enemy out of process ; b) build one friend into process.
11:23 asciilifeform naturally it is possible to distinguish, e.g., lamport, from boeck.
11:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, typical. suppose you have to go to dinner with the typical female and then with her to the typical poetry reading.
11:23 mircea_popescu there's a reason real men own whips.
11:24 asciilifeform actually this is one of the things that astonishes me about mircea_popescu
11:24 mircea_popescu or need i link again the typical 1800s opera singer.
11:24 asciilifeform i.e. that he can put up with, approx., 'typical female'
11:24 mircea_popescu and why wouldn't i ?
11:25 asciilifeform dunno, let's say you didn't enjoy animal training.
11:25 mircea_popescu but i do.
11:25 mircea_popescu i had dogs as a child ; and horses. and hunted.
11:25 mircea_popescu and had a merry time.
11:25 asciilifeform ain't nuffin' wrong with that.
11:25 Framedragger mircea_popescu: hm. on actually closer inspection, that thing's easier to parse if one reads till end of extract. one of the points is that the notion of female genital mutilation is used to represent african tribes etc. as inferior culturally, sexually, etc.; thesis seems to disagree with this portrayal of that tribal culture. this does indeed not sound original. but, i guess you're right, it's more like meh, and not a lol-worthy outrag
11:25 Framedragger e. lingo is funny to be tho
11:26 mircea_popescu note also that what "things are used to represent" is very rarely a valid concern.
11:27 Framedragger i guess that twitter acct thought it was funny that FGM could be anything other than bullshit. at the point of lol'ing at those tweets i took this as a given
11:28 mircea_popescu which is perhaps the problem.
11:28 mircea_popescu ie, if you people are going to herd rather than critically analyze, it might as well be that YOU are the reason the account has to be banned.
11:28 Framedragger but this reminded me of clastres' "society against the state", a set of essays on "primitiv kultures". the latter use all kinds of mutilation'y things to do interesting stuff, e.g. if one breaks a law, that law is inscribed on the flesh of the person having broken it; etc.
11:29 mircea_popescu anyway. "the pleasure of whiteness" in particular denotes this peculiar view of human existence, which is very deeply puritan (which they usually call white or white-patriarchy, neither of which have anything to do). ie, typical middle class us female enjoys being in herself, which is why she loves nothing more than to grow fat while watching netflix.
11:29 Framedragger and in general builds an argument against the notion of "primitive" as widely used in western anthropology.
11:29 mircea_popescu this is not true of most sane people, including all africa. girls there wanna be with other girls and sing call-and-response all day long.
11:29 Framedragger right.
11:30 mircea_popescu you can see this in a million places. normal human being eschews reading an announcement, in favour of asking person at the desk personally ; usian "pleasure of white" zealot eschews interacting with this "because there's nowhere to read what to do and have to talk to people"
11:31 mircea_popescu these are very deeply disjunct modes. i'm sure [they like to think] telling us teenager that "honey, never mind what the other girls say, you should have self esteem" works for her. from experience it ~works, for a little anywya. but doth not work for subsaharan chick. at all.
11:31 Mariono all anyone use windows to play the game ?
11:31 mircea_popescu Mariono there's a few, yeah.
11:31 shinohai Mariono: join #eulora
11:31 Mariono what is the minimum specs for me to able play the game ?
11:32 mircea_popescu well, if you don't use windows, there's ~no minimum specs, i've had it run on ten year old laptops. if you do use windows it's unclear as of yet, some people have had problems but seems to be on random hardware
11:32 mircea_popescu still chasing the exact problem.
11:32 mircea_popescu but in principle you must have a gfx card, and 256mb of ram.
11:33 Framedragger s/funny to be/funny to me/ ^ above
11:35 asciilifeform in other noose, the noose spreadz, https://firmwaresecurity.com/2016/09/21/reversing-sages-smartprobe
11:36 mircea_popescu the problem with the political notion of "primitive" is that well, it's the "global warming" from before global warming. there ~is~ a scientific notion of primitive, but it's deeply political inconvenient (such as, primitive society uses hieroglyphics rather than alphabet. making the chinese primitive.) wheres the politically convenient version ("guys in next town over are primitive, because our footbal mascot is a beaver and
11:36 mircea_popescu theirs an iguana, and iguana is reptile not mammal") is always "global warm"ism / "intelligent design"ism
11:37 mircea_popescu lol wtf he republishes it ? weird.
11:38 asciilifeform i have nfi.
11:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i went around looking for 'bios reverser' sites, realized that the community of actual people actually working on subj -- at least in public -- has shrunk to the size of a walnut.
11:39 mircea_popescu the whole internet has shrunk to the size of walnut. in english i mean.
11:39 mircea_popescu should have never fucking allowed the .coms on.
11:47 mircea_popescu !!up haankoammu
11:47 deedbot haankoammu voiced for 30 minutes.
11:50 haankoammu !!register http://pastebin.com/raw/kpkmRxe2
11:50 deedbot 7CF316AACB136D0BA231A2484AF684686CAB5D45 registered as haankoammu.
11:52 mircea_popescu haankoammu you looking for eulora acct ?
11:52 haankoammu Yes please!
11:53 mircea_popescu !!key haankoammu
11:53 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8lxzk/?raw=true
11:53 mircea_popescu shinohai btw put in http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r the tutorial or w/e ? instead of pastebin
11:55 * trinque also linked in deedbot docs
11:56 mircea_popescu hm ?
11:57 trinque !!help << first item links to wotpaste
11:57 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
11:57 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes btw can has link to http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ?
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11:58 mircea_popescu a yes. nice!
11:58 Framedragger AHA! and so, eulora becomes the explicit marketing platform for TERRORISM
11:58 mircea_popescu doh.
11:58 Framedragger CORRUPT VIDEOGAME TERRORISTS ADVOCATE FGM
12:06 mircea_popescu moar like fhm amirite.
12:07 mircea_popescu !!key <Mariono>
12:07 deedbot No such key.
12:07 mircea_popescu doh
12:07 mircea_popescu !!key Mariono
12:07 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/n6a42/?raw=true
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12:56 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> in other noose, the noose spreadz, https://firmwaresecurity.com/2016/09/21/reversing-sages-smartprobe << What did I tell you?
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13:58 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549824 << oui, comme Ãa? or too cute.
13:58 a111 Logged on 2016-09-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw can has link to http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ?
14:05 mircea_popescu Ãa wut
14:05 asciilifeform бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?
14:06 mircea_popescu i guess so lol
14:06 mircea_popescu "oui, comme Ãa? or too cute." apparently turns into ВХРЮК
14:06 mircea_popescu except of course if in quotes
14:06 mircea_popescu "Ãa"
14:06 mircea_popescu Ãa
14:07 mircea_popescu " Ãa"
14:07 mircea_popescu god help it.
14:08 ben_vulpes help i'm trapped in character encoding hell
14:09 mircea_popescu lol
14:10 ben_vulpes like fuck i'm going to give a shit about mis-encodings somewhere between os x, tmux, this retarded terminnal application, and linux locales
14:10 mircea_popescu yeah dun sweat it
14:11 ben_vulpes anyways that works for you?
14:11 mircea_popescu odds are it's somewhere in my domain anyway
14:11 mircea_popescu i have nfi what yuou asked me though
14:11 ben_vulpes one of the wotpaste header stars is now a link
14:11 mircea_popescu o yeah, works fine
14:11 mircea_popescu thanks!
14:11 ben_vulpes mk
14:11 ben_vulpes anytime
14:12 * ben_vulpes back to business plans
14:12 * mircea_popescu wonders how long before frisco fills up with "planned businesshood" offices.
14:12 ben_vulpes relatedly, why hasn't that org shattered its brand yet?
14:13 ben_vulpes 50+ different institutions would be nigh-impossible for the right to organize a defunding of
14:13 ben_vulpes plus think about the costs of rebranding all of the attack ads
14:13 mircea_popescu i dun think anyone seriously intends to stop giving young women free pills.
14:13 ben_vulpes some folks get seriously bent about the abortions tho
14:14 mircea_popescu yeah but afaik they just give out pills/condoms ?
14:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu quite likely knows that they ain't phreeee in usa
14:14 asciilifeform ask your pets.
14:14 mircea_popescu what, seriously ?
14:14 asciilifeform aha.
14:14 mircea_popescu b ut... why
14:15 asciilifeform part of the 'health management' racket.
14:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform pets say "they sure did back when i was there"
14:16 asciilifeform prescription-only. so as to make the buyers come in for regular 'doctor visit' which costs a few hundy (paid by usg if you're Officially indigent, by hmo if you're a salaried wretch, and by your own pocket if you're neither.)
14:16 mircea_popescu young women are always indigent.
14:16 asciilifeform Officially Indigent is another thing.
14:17 mircea_popescu and doctor visit is a fine idea. a) gets her used to stranger hands up her snatch ; b) pills do have side effects.
14:17 asciilifeform many folks would rather go to african doctor than american. and i can't blame'em.
14:17 mircea_popescu many folks'd better get with the program.
14:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo has detailz.
14:18 BingoBoingo AHA, yes. Only one available without exam is "Plan B"
14:18 mircea_popescu the notion that females under 30 would be allowed to NOT be vaginally inspected once a month is scandalous.
14:19 BingoBoingo But yes, doctor is mandatory because provides target for torts!
14:20 BingoBoingo http://www.ulc.org/2014/04/gluttony-age-old-battle-excess/ << AHA even church that loves everybody fatshames!
14:20 mircea_popescu incidentally, the above being perhaps the best explanation of what distinguishes third world from civilised world. "are your women regularly diddled or do they grow fucking cobwebs down there."
14:21 mircea_popescu "shaved smooth snatch that saw water today" being reliably what you find between female "students'" legs ~= "civilised world".
14:33 mircea_popescu and in the latest in instructional videos / "how to for dummies" : http://67.media.tumblr.com/e4b4d5dc215d2f56b6fb7884dc671322/tumblr_mihcyvNExc1s3v6d1o1_1280.jpg
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15:22 ben_vulpes aaand in more portlolzland: http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/09/satanic_temple_brings_after-sc.html
~ 41 minutes ~
16:03 mircea_popescu and today in sports : http://65.media.tumblr.com/d3fa3b96b06c082451c0ba4ed1a7f116/tumblr_njrh1hPq991ren9y9o1_1280.jpg
16:05 pete_dushenski japanese looove their baseball
16:05 pete_dushenski and blackballs
16:05 shinohai In U.S. and A. they treat horses like we in Kazakhstan treat our women. They feed them two times a day. They have them sleep on straw in a small box. And for entertainment, they make them jump over fences while being whipped.
16:05 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549622 << not a bad idea actually. cheers.
16:05 a111 Logged on 2016-09-28 10:27 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549523 just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair
16:06 asciilifeform shinohai: 'filtration system, a marvel to behoooold!1111'
16:07 shinohai wrong buffer my apologies asciilifeform
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16:24 diana_coman fwiw pete_dushenski I flew with Ryanair and I would advise against them unless you are either a. desperate b. really curious of how a plane can feel like the old-times local bus for local peasants, chicken and other animals combined; they have the most obnoxious "service" I ever saw filled with loud and frequent "offers" to buy all sorts and *advertisement* in the cabin; not to mention interesting fees such as "fuel fee" (I wou
16:24 diana_coman ldn't be surprised if they added meanwhile some "Oxygen fee")
16:27 pete_dushenski diana_coman: aha. i've heard similar horror stories and given that it'll be a family trip and that i'm NOTPOOR(tm)(r), i'll probably be looking at deals to the mainland and ~cost-effective~ proposals to the isles. the customer "service" and baggage issues that have been relayed to me previously were similarly cautionary.
16:28 mircea_popescu lol
16:29 mircea_popescu they finally made the timeshare scam into flight ?
16:29 diana_coman oh, I did not mention the backseats that do not recline and the very, VERY limited leg-space
16:31 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: more like they finalyl made the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549705 scam into flight
16:31 a111 Logged on 2016-09-28 15:08 mircea_popescu: dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars ; and actual food is already going into a spiral.
16:31 shinohai !!key thestringpuller
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16:31 diana_coman since Lithuania managed to end up in the interesting position of having 2 (at least, I did not even check if it doesn't have more than that) airports and no airline, Ryanair were the only ones to fly directly there
16:31 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7pph1/?raw=true
16:31 mircea_popescu how is lithuania ?
16:31 diana_coman still, after one trip with them I prefer by far to fly into Riga and take the bus or car to Vilnius from there
16:32 pete_dushenski obligatory, http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/kaunus-lithuania-the-least-terrible-place-for-the-conference-fourth-edition/
16:32 mircea_popescu ah i recall that.
16:32 diana_coman is that kaunas, pete_dushenski ?
16:33 pete_dushenski the only and only!
16:33 pete_dushenski or one and only, if you prefer
16:33 diana_coman aha, yeah, that's the smaller airport, quite all right for what it's used actually
16:35 pete_dushenski like most second-biggest cities, kaunus also doesn't feel overly polished, uberglitzed, and overrun with tour busses the way vilnius or riga do
16:35 pete_dushenski it's well kept but not ~too~ well kept
16:36 diana_coman heh, pete_dushenski have you been to some of the smaller/more provincial ones? Panevezys comes to mind, lol
16:37 pete_dushenski iirc i drove through pranvezys on the road back from vilnius to riga but didn't really stop. spent a bit more time in klaipeda and area
16:38 diana_coman vilnius got a total makeup when it was eu cultural capital thing (and yes, several locals complained to me that it's worse for all that polish) but the uberglitzed area to my mind is just the very-very small bang-centre: cathedral and that molehill they call the castle
16:39 diana_coman well, there is ~nothing to see in Panevezys, that's the point: kind of industrial, provincial town, poor and stinky all around
16:39 pete_dushenski heh i can see that.
16:39 diana_coman for the more touristical thing I'd say probably Trakai
16:40 * pete_dushenski looks up trakai, swoons slighty
16:46 pete_dushenski diana_coman: it's true that the over-polished vilnius area is scarcely larger than a football pitch, but it's still a chunk of real estate devoid of the character of the rest of the country. eu-ification for all! rationalism uber alles! it's a shame, yes, but mostly for the inconsistently - the partial transplant - like the handsome black man with a single emaciated white arm surgically attached where his
16:46 pete_dushenski own once was. it's... off.
16:47 diana_coman hmmm, I think you are reading into it from a predefined perspective really
16:47 diana_coman they *rebuilt* the damn "castle"
16:47 diana_coman out of desperation to have the "lithuanian" thing
16:48 diana_coman iirc took out the red pavement on the red street because ahem, RED
16:48 diana_coman but you know, they are in the end in quite a pickle because "lithuanian" would be what, Grand Duchy of Lithuania, right?
16:48 pete_dushenski lol! and yet this doesn't strike you as surgical mengelism ?
16:49 diana_coman it doesn't strike me as specifically eu per se
16:49 asciilifeform speaking of baltic heroes, pete_dushenski will probably enjoy http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549604 .
16:49 a111 Logged on 2016-09-28 04:58 asciilifeform: and, somewhat relatedly, https://archive.is/0Etht .
16:51 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: aha. glanced at it. some people know how to hold a grudge, what can i say.
16:52 shinohai !~later tell thestringpuller http://ix.io/1rjz
16:52 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
17:00 pete_dushenski diana_coman: what's specifically 'eu' about the baltic, yugoslavian, romanian, what have you arrangements is that the fancy town squares and rebuilt castles were the bait and switch in exchange for monetary hegemony. there are exceedingly few examples of such peaceful expansion of territory in my historical memory banks (though i'm open to being disabused of this notion)
17:12 diana_coman well, at the end of the day that IS the local character; previously it was the all-the-same blocky/stocky/commie townhalls, what; previous to that it was the catholic cathedrals etc; really what you deem "local character" vs "uberglitz, eu-ification" is just a matter of personal preference I'd say; I was suggesting you visit Panevezys precisely because that IS more of the "local" character than the well-groomed Kaunas at the en
17:12 diana_coman d of the day
17:13 diana_coman fwiw Vilnius' really "old" area is slightly behind the so-called "old town" and perhaps the more "artsy" area along the river
17:23 pete_dushenski http://cascadianhacker.com/the-hilarious-unprofitability-of-uber#comment-16 << paging ben_vulpes
17:37 pete_dushenski diana_coman: my take on the eu-ification and commie blockiness is the same and quite disjunct from the catholic era : it's that the latter day ("tomorrow is a latter day", anyone?) implementations are superficial and have no particular bearing in the locality. in the same way that having modern art and architecture looks identical worldwide is nauseating, so too is the token clean street in whatever
17:37 pete_dushenski eu-expansion capital. it's all to evident that, like the romans in palestine or usd as world reserve or facebook as #1sm, it's a temporary occupation.
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17:53 pete_dushenski in other transformations, http://sgmacro.blogspot.ca/2013/07/transformation-of-mirror-spider.html
17:54 pete_dushenski https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8646/16594020176_e5d7ddfb03_o.gif << and you thought jooz were shifty.
17:56 shinohai http://archive.is/R5PKk <<< Man in gorilla mask shows up at blm protest to hand out bananas wrapped in nooses.
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18:05 pete_dushenski "According to a news release from the public safety office, freshman Tristan Rettke was charged with civil rights intimidation." << not charged with mocking the gorilla-gendered students ? weird. i guess there's a lot of ways to cut the phony pie.
18:06 shinohai Some speech is more protected than others.
18:06 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/dd1zs << photo of bathing ape preserved
18:07 pete_dushenski shinohai: gorillas inter pares
18:09 shinohai lo
18:10 shinohai I insist they are not nooses, but merely handy lanyards to assist with transport.
18:11 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: shit damn
18:14 pete_dushenski ikr.
18:14 pete_dushenski shinohai: sort of like the plastic rings for 6-packs!
18:14 pete_dushenski just... southern style
18:15 shinohai Exactly! He was probably just concerned about everyone's potassium intake, it's still kinda hot during the day here in the South.
18:17 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: also, i'd humbly suggest ch add at least one layer of embedded replies. also, one excellent habit that i picked up from mp was to answer any and all comments on the blog. it's a two-way street this internet thing and responding with something as simple as a "cheers" is encouraging for readers.
18:18 pete_dushenski given that the us pretty much only has soft power left, encouragement is one of its few remaining weapons.
18:19 ben_vulpes good points all
18:20 ben_vulpes i don't know what you mean by embedded replies
18:20 pete_dushenski tabbed, indented
18:20 ben_vulpes try <blockquote>?
18:20 ben_vulpes oh, the comments themselves
18:20 pete_dushenski bingo
18:21 ben_vulpes well feedback received. i'm not particularly in the mood to dive into the php any time soon.
18:21 ben_vulpes grunting on wwwtronix is bad for the soul.
18:22 pete_dushenski no rush, it's your blerg
18:23 shinohai http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/karma-1.jpg <<< I like how there is handy sign asking la gente not to steal the hangars
18:23 shinohai What kind of neighborhood do you live in mircea_popescu ?
18:26 ben_vulpes lol shinohai karma!!!
18:27 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i would also like to shoot the inane smileys in the head, but there are only so many hours in the day and i only have two hands.
18:29 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i know i'm using heathen-wp but is there not a checkbox in the settings in wp-mp for emoticon switch-off (if that's the smileys you mean) and comment indentation ?
18:30 ben_vulpes ah found the nested option
18:31 ben_vulpes and the smileys
18:31 ben_vulpes thanks pete_dushenski !
18:31 pete_dushenski np amigo
18:31 ben_vulpes comments should also approve if you've commented before, but...
18:32 pete_dushenski my guess is different ip addys caused the hold-up last time
18:33 ben_vulpes c'est possible
18:33 ben_vulpes checkbox schmeckbox, nesting doesn't appear to be working
18:33 * ben_vulpes shrugs
18:34 pete_dushenski o.O maybe mircea_popescu has pixie dust he can share then
18:35 ben_vulpes possibly the template doesn't support it?
18:36 pete_dushenski aha that's entirely possible
18:36 phf i don't think classic supports nesting (default does though)
18:36 ben_vulpes ah thanks phf
18:37 ben_vulpes let me tell you how much i want to port comment threading between wordpress themes
18:37 pete_dushenski in other nuts and bolts (of possible interest to machinists present), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptAkpqjtMQ
18:38 phf ben_vulpes: i was using intellij idea to hack on it, and i have to say, it's not that bad.
18:38 ben_vulpes that is some grade a advertronix
18:39 ben_vulpes odd heat shape
18:39 ben_vulpes head*
18:42 * ben_vulpes now watching midair refueling mishaps on the "joint forces channel"
18:42 pete_dushenski bbl.
18:42 ben_vulpes "here let us show you how many times we can fuck this up"
18:42 phf my recommended for you is "Angelina Jolie Admits To Illuminati Sacrifice In Leaked ..."
18:44 ben_vulpes unrelatedly, refactoring spreadsheets suxx
18:45 phf should've kept some employees to do it for you
18:52 ben_vulpes employees
18:52 ben_vulpes faugh
~ 35 minutes ~
19:28 mircea_popescu shinohai what do you mean kind ?
19:29 mircea_popescu i generally park the girls on a circle a few miles around the local university campus.
19:29 mircea_popescu seems to work best for everyone involved.
19:34 ben_vulpes phf: sarcasm level at...0? 5?
19:35 * asciilifeform has a veryspeshulsurprise for folx, coming up.
19:36 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#447 << it's a setting in settings. you're not the only one.
19:36 scriba Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
19:36 shinohai rhetorical question poking fun at hilarious signage xD
19:36 scriba Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1488: invalid continuation byte]
19:36 mircea_popescu shinohai ah, that was in the province. some small town north of ba
19:37 shinohai I dunno why I find that so delightfully hilarious ....
19:37 mircea_popescu hey, you're not the only one :)
19:38 shinohai Future home of an Argentine abortion clinic.
19:40 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#472 << phf is becoming an online ad network!!1
19:40 scriba Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
19:40 scriba Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1488: invalid continuation byte]
19:40 mircea_popescu Framedragger eh could this stop being a thing!
19:42 ben_vulpes encoding
19:42 ben_vulpes pain
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20:01 shinohai thestringpuller apparently we missed this giant blockchain meet in Atlanta everyone was a part of https://twitter.com/bandofcoders/status/781261716034158592
20:01 shinohai Standing room only.
20:08 mod6 in mom's attic
20:10 shinohai fluffypony was guest speaker and got monero to sponsor the hot pockets for lunch
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20:54 asciilifeform aaaaand...
20:55 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 << Loper OS - How to Make Your Own Lamport Parachute from Common Household Materials.
20:55 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, PANZERS
20:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al ^
20:55 phf asciilifeform early today http://65.media.tumblr.com/fc0a3d8f787458407801a272028d7746/tumblr_oe8af78O5f1uu4f9zo1_500.jpg
20:55 asciilifeform phf: lel
20:57 * mircea_popescu likes the new blog-inclined alf!
20:59 asciilifeform i blame mircea_popescu for this one!111
21:00 mircea_popescu why blame! did you know blaming uses 79 muscles whereas hitting someone over the head only uses 21 ?
21:01 shinohai With a V-genesis and all asciilifeform ... impressive stuff
21:02 asciilifeform anyone who followed along and was able to (or not...) to fit-in-head, please let me know.
21:04 mircea_popescu very apt observation re the value of bitcoin as forever-time-anchor btw.
21:05 mircea_popescu most derps miss the important points.
21:05 asciilifeform old hat. everything in this piece is old, old hat. but i was unable to turn it up in one place, and so here it goes.
21:05 mircea_popescu you know, quantum mechanics is "old hat" in the sense that well... it was there since forever.
21:09 mircea_popescu that zdnet article is shockingly braindamaged.
21:10 asciilifeform there is not, sadly, a sane exposition known to me.
21:10 mircea_popescu by now it's pretty much a game of duck duck goose in republican writings ; whenever the empire products get linked they stand out like that finger ( http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/patau-trisomy.jpg )
21:10 asciilifeform lolyes.
21:11 mircea_popescu ooooh
21:11 mircea_popescu dude, yes.
21:11 asciilifeform which yes
21:12 mircea_popescu "To make use of such a key, the owner hashes the payload being signed, and for each bit that is equal to 0 in the resulting hash, reveals the original pre-hash string from column A, whereas if it is equal to 1 he reveals a pre-hash string from column B." << this is the RIGHT THING.
21:13 asciilifeform aha, the good doktor lamport knew what he was doing.
21:13 mircea_popescu do you have a check that A and B count is at least payload bytes ?
21:13 mod6 asciilifeform: hey, cool!
21:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~no checks.
21:14 asciilifeform thing is for DIDACTIC use.
21:14 asciilifeform write yer own.
21:14 asciilifeform like v.
21:14 mircea_popescu aite.
21:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it might interest you that your blog sent out 0 pingbacks
21:18 asciilifeform iirc i nuked'em
21:21 mircea_popescu ah. it is a public disservice though, people reading through eg, one of the trilema pieces you linked, might wish to know that there's something on loper related to the discussion.
21:22 asciilifeform i like backlinks to be a deliberate thing, rather than pissed into the aether willy-nilly
21:22 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu wants to link to my www, he can do it when ~he~ feels like it
21:22 mircea_popescu alrighty.
21:22 mircea_popescu well that's a link. a backlink is backwards.
21:23 phf fyi, http://btcbase.org/patches/lam-par-genesis
21:24 asciilifeform ty phf !
21:24 mircea_popescu nice
21:24 mircea_popescu lol try http://btcbase.org/patches/ phf
21:24 mircea_popescu anyway, wouldn't it be nice if /patches/ includes a list of all heads ?
21:26 phf oh, yeah, i introduced that bug during recent rewrite, and forgot to fix..., it should properly redirect to http://btcbase.org/patches
21:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=lam-par&search= << neato.
21:28 asciilifeform aaaanyway comments/nitpicks welcome.
21:29 mircea_popescu nice
21:29 mircea_popescu dude this is such a great thing.
21:37 asciilifeform note that we hash the raw random bits, and not their ascii representations. this may seem unnecessary but we do not want any known structure in the inputs to H.
21:38 mircea_popescu aha.
21:38 asciilifeform lamport did not specify this, but imho it is obvious.
21:38 mircea_popescu it is quickly becoming apparent that the one strategic material of the coming war shall be random bits.
21:38 mircea_popescu gotta build some oilfields stat.
21:39 asciilifeform at least partly the purpose of this piece is to make the reader understand that his household is short on rng bitz.
21:47 ben_vulpes i'll keep reading this until my illness subsides and frees my brain
21:47 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: linked piece does not require much brain, fortunately, it is about the simplest publickey sig algo ever devised
21:48 asciilifeform ~wholly mathematics-free.
21:50 shinohai ./lamport_mkpriv.sh 256 512 > privkey.txt #Go make tea and smoke
21:50 asciilifeform shinohai: or urandom.
21:50 asciilifeform if you just really wanna see what happens.
21:50 shinohai I'm Patient
21:50 asciilifeform shinohai: could take a week, easily.
21:50 shinohai O.o ok urandom it is
21:55 * asciilifeform bbl
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22:18 mod6 asciilifefor some good news (your seal verifies with your genesis vpatch), and some bad news (your genesis vpatch contains timestamps): http://dpaste.com/2TCT5ND.txt
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22:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550091 << oh for fucks sake
22:19 a111 Logged on 2016-09-29 02:18 mod6: asciilifefor some good news (your seal verifies with your genesis vpatch), and some bad news (your genesis vpatch contains timestamps): http://dpaste.com/2TCT5ND.txt
22:20 asciilifeform i'ma fix this when i get back up
22:20 asciilifeform from bed.
22:20 asciilifeform and ruthlessly hunt & kill the old vdiff.sh on all of my boxes.
22:21 mod6 no prob. just thought i'd report.
22:21 mod6 have a good night
22:21 asciilifeform oh i'm not sleeping
22:22 asciilifeform just horizontal .
22:22 mod6 ok :]
22:24 shinohai http://archive.is/516O8 "Go and Rust are compelling, safe languages for writing the type of systems software that has traditionally been written in C."
22:25 shinohai Eat your heart out, covertress.
22:25 BingoBoingo !!up fromloper
22:25 deedbot fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
22:25 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> just horizontal . << The decadent life of a Saint!
22:25 asciilifeform too many deadly sinz here fer sainthood
22:26 asciilifeform right now - sloth
22:26 asciilifeform ( for a while, lust )
22:26 asciilifeform soon - gluttony
22:27 BingoBoingo Only sins when taken to excess. Otherwise merely instincts.
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22:49 mod6 phf: you may want to add the 'makefiles.vpatch' to your patch thingy.
22:56 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/datskovskiy-publishes-tool-for-making-parachute-lamport-keypairs/ << Qntra - Datskovskiy Publishes Tool For Making "Parachute" Lamport Keypairs
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23:53 BingoBoingo Quite the cliffhanger on South Park. Will the Cartman vaginaballs plot be resolved!
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