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00:00 BingoBoingo relatit http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5311
00:00 * trinque lols, but knows not why
00:00 trinque this "female violence" theory is only applicable insofar as it describes something women do in the total absence of functioning males
00:01 trinque as such ought not be discussed as any sort of cause of the thing.
00:01 mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone (of the married with children contingent) know what braxton hicks contractions are ?
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00:04 mircea_popescu http://preggotummys.tumblr.com/post/111569668432/misshellenroxx-the-other-day-i-was-told-that << companion lolz.
00:07 mircea_popescu and now back to the issue : human sexuality is an intertwined ball of yarn, with layer upon layer of complex mechanisms driven over many years by the erosion of evolution. just plain obstetrics holds plenty of mysteries to the average folk (quick, what's cervical effacement ?), and so wide sweeping, far reaching discussions of third and above degree effects, such as the social behaviour of "war" are bound to be pretty nonsens
00:07 mircea_popescu ical.
00:07 mircea_popescu but yes, by and large men will fight "for" women. cuz for what the fuck else, aliens ?
00:09 BingoBoingo LIZARDS!
00:10 mircea_popescu heh.
00:10 BingoBoingo Anyways, a bit on the meta-Lafondiverse http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5306
00:12 mircea_popescu "when he finds out his lead used the company gas card to drive a mini-bus full of whores to Ocean City" dude who the fuck would be upset over this ?
00:12 BingoBoingo Still people suck at evaluating risk and severity. People get all panicked because there's a wee bit of nutsedge in their lawn, it's bruise. At the same time they'll ignore the bermudagrass taking over, and that shit is stage IV lawn cancer.
00:12 mircea_popescu seriously now. what fucking trite boring nitwits are these ?
00:13 BingoBoingo Rabbinical sheep?
00:13 mircea_popescu dude if the company can't afford to ferry some women to the designated fuckbeach it should be rolled up anyway.
00:15 BingoBoingo Some bipeds don't know how to budget, yet still try to business. Very sick fact, but fact.
00:15 mircea_popescu and then ~they~ look down on the whores.
00:16 BingoBoingo Well its the blub thing. They don't grok the more srs bsns.
00:24 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:24 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 603.0, vol: 4310.52045643 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 607.731, vol: 3491.65003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 608.01, vol: 3300.92455516 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 605.388238, vol: 302459.10790000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 606.99, vol: 736.81062458 | Volume-weighted last average: 605.412800565
00:24 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
00:24 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4040.81, vol: 302475.77190000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4040.81
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00:58 BingoBoingo !!up th3nolo
00:58 deedbot th3nolo voiced for 30 minutes.
00:59 th3nolo thanks..
01:05 BingoBoingo Introduce yourself. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
01:06 th3nolo is you and you are chatting right now with me ?
01:06 th3nolo my *daddy
01:16 BingoBoingo Oh
01:17 BingoBoingo Well that complicate things. I'm only at step 3. There's still six more steps before I can make amends for not knowing you existed.
01:17 BingoBoingo !~step9
01:17 jhvh1 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
01:18 BingoBoingo Anyways register a key, give someone a reason to rate you and you can !!up yourself eventually
01:21 BingoBoingo th3nolo: Many have tried to find and easier, softer way, but they could not. With all the earnestness at you command register a GPG key and welcome to the future.
01:22 th3nolo i'm doing that..
01:24 BingoBoingo Also buy a plant. If after one year the plant is thriving you may buy a dog. If after one year it is thriving you may think about starting a srs bsns.
01:26 BingoBoingo And remember that faith without works (for the Republic) is dead.
01:31 BingoBoingo !!up th3nolo
01:31 deedbot th3nolo voiced for 30 minutes.
01:31 BingoBoingo brb, sleep
01:32 th3nolo ok
01:33 BingoBoingo If you wait patiently another peer will be with you shortly. IRC is contrary to popular misconceptions a slow medium, but within 24 hours you should recieve a reply so direct your inqueries.
01:34 BingoBoingo And type the string into your chatbox: !~ty
01:42 th3nolo !-ty
01:42 th3nolo !~ty
01:42 jhvh1 You are very welcome Daddy
01:42 th3nolo oh.
01:42 th3nolo for the advice
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06:43 mircea_popescu lmao BingoBoingo stop hassling noobs omaygerd
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07:10 thestringpuller !~seen jurov
07:10 jhvh1 thestringpuller: jurov was last seen in #trilema 2 days, 18 hours, 3 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <jurov> phf: zero width is prolly okay, negative-width-joiner would be illegal
07:10 thestringpuller damn. he sick again?
07:10 thestringpuller poor guy.
07:13 mircea_popescu you know people can go a coupla days being busy with, eg, a new lover, a dead family member, buying a new piece of real estate / boat / etcetera.
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07:51 thestringpuller seems that way
07:57 thestringpuller hi davout o/
07:58 davout ohai
07:58 thestringpuller how's retirement?
07:59 davout pretty good actually, got my residence permit today
08:00 davout which kinda looks like a badly forged drivers license a 20-yo ustard would use to go have drinks
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08:33 thestringpuller oh nice! so just chillin' for now? a break is good every now and then.
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09:16 asciilifeform aaaah and i think i found a bug in a111
09:16 asciilifeform it refused to log 'oversized' turd at all
09:16 asciilifeform shows up (cut off, inside 'mircea_popescu would tell us which room to enter next')
09:16 asciilifeform in Framedragger's log
09:18 asciilifeform ( http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#132 )
09:18 scriba Logged on 2016-09-27: [13:14:42] <asciilifeform> ACTION woke up from dream where we had 4th conf. this time, at mircea_popescu's house, which turned out to be a gigantic repurposed office park, wunderwaffen in every room, even the nazi 'Glocke' neutron generator; we sat in a great hall and drank mead and thanked odin for the gift of valour; then went to the tank room and each pulled gigantic sea
09:18 scriba slugs, shaped like various animals, e.g., pig, out of a tank, and by the choice mircea_p
09:18 asciilifeform there, now it is in both logs, if only like this...
09:21 asciilifeform in other noose, https://archive.is/cgpZD >> 'This botnet with 145607 cameras/dvr (1-30Mbps per IP) is able to send >1.5Tbps DDoS. Type: tcp/ack, tcp/ack+psh, tcp/syn.'
09:21 asciilifeform USE MOAR TCP
09:22 asciilifeform GIVE MOAR TO ALLCOMERZ
09:26 asciilifeform SYN! SYN!SYN!SYN!SYN! http://oglaf.com/humans
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10:02 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/heel/
10:13 mircea_popescu loller alfie
10:13 mircea_popescu fwiw i see ACTION with the first glyph rendered as 0001
10:16 asciilifeform aha also
10:17 mircea_popescu ohv, possibly the world's shittiest host in terms of all the spam/abuse/assorted crap they push out.
10:17 mircea_popescu ovh*
10:20 mircea_popescu http://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/submarine-cable/gemini-bermuda << this is pretty good.
10:24 phf so that ^AACTION is actually how irc encodes /me's
10:24 mircea_popescu yea
10:24 mircea_popescu / goes out as ^A
10:25 phf so there's at least two bugs happening here :) somehow it's missing from btcbase and Framedragger's znc (or is it the python bot) is leaking ACTION marks
10:26 mircea_popescu cuz generally you're supposed to replace ^A with eg *
10:26 phf well, if Framedragger is still parsing the znc logs, then znc does it for you. it'll be <foo> blah, or * foo blah or somesuch
10:26 mircea_popescu a leading example implementation of asciilifeform 's point re "ascii is like naked people"
10:27 phf btcbase actually parses ACTION messages and turns the record into message-self
10:28 phf (it's possible the message is missing for other reasons though, that's on august 27th, i.e. the day when i left for burn and btcbase was being spammed to oblivion)
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10:45 asciilifeform phf: message in question was sent ~hour ago.
10:46 asciilifeform not aug 27.
10:55 asciilifeform https://archive.is/f2ogI << in unrelated lelz.
10:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that glocke bs is something else. seriously, rando pole came up with some nutty shit in 2000 and the murican joseph smiths ran with it ?
10:55 mircea_popescu "red mercury" y compris ?
10:55 mircea_popescu the humanity.
10:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: eh you're looking at the nato snow job
10:57 asciilifeform (granted we dun have the actual facts, beyond a landing manifest from buenos aires in '45 where germans unloaded ~something massive~ from a 6-engined monster junkers. but the 'red mercury', 'alien corpses', etc. are what the disinfo folk spray onto anything they dun want in the literature.)
10:57 mircea_popescu well, the origin is a single report from a pole (ie, nato) who is a literal re-enaction of historical mormon guy.
10:58 mircea_popescu literally, the angel moroni showed him some sikrit documents ?
10:58 mircea_popescu im surprised no seer stones in a hat were involved.
10:59 asciilifeform if he'd mentioned those, mircea_popescu would see it for the redmercury sprayjob it was.
11:00 asciilifeform at any rate, it does not stretch the bounds of the plausible that germany had a clumsy, bulky neutron source.
11:00 mircea_popescu so which part of the nonsense is part of your accepted reconstruction ? i don't imagine sponeaneous margerinization of plant matter for a 150 to 200 m radius makes it in?
11:00 mircea_popescu ~undirected~ neutron source ?
11:00 mircea_popescu also, the effects described aren't quite what neutron beams do.
11:00 asciilifeform forget the pole !
11:01 mircea_popescu then tell the story.
11:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: are you familiar with real-life neutron tube ? didja think it is ~directed~ ?!
11:01 mircea_popescu it's a tube dood not a fucking bell.
11:01 asciilifeform if you have a directed one, you can turn that $B into $2B right now.
11:02 mircea_popescu look. what source of neutrons do you have in mind other than a linear accelerator ?
11:03 asciilifeform in point of fact there are two (not counting the small kind you can make on your desk right now out of a smoke detector and beryllium sheet) in commercial use
11:03 asciilifeform one is the accelerator
11:03 asciilifeform other is farnsworth's.
11:03 asciilifeform this is kindergarten material. (granted, it was not in '45)
11:03 asciilifeform neither gives you a directed beam.
11:03 asciilifeform interestingly.
11:04 mircea_popescu well it'd help if you said that. ie, "a clumsy, bulky fusor" not "a clumsy, bulky neutron source"
11:05 mircea_popescu anyway. yes it wouldn't stretch the bounds of the plausible, seeing how eg tesla was dicking around with high electrostatic potentials for his principal entertainment.
11:07 mircea_popescu now, if they managed to source a megawatt, which seems dubious, and if they managed to get the usual 10^5 power loss, which seems also dubious, even if we grant they had the concept 30 years early, then it follows that they might have made 100 watt worth of neutron source.
11:07 asciilifeform fwiw, armchair archaeology of german physics is complicated by the fact that in '45 everyone who was anyone in that wot was jumping out of his shirt to market himself to the americans with fanciful legend
11:08 mircea_popescu myeah.
11:08 asciilifeform it does not however follow that german physics was all vapourware. it was not - turned into the engineering works of the 50s.
11:09 mircea_popescu well sure, but there's a difference between the Vs, which actually did land in london, and in abundance bordering on public nuisance
11:09 mircea_popescu and mysterious single-reference bells.
11:10 asciilifeform plenty of junk gets made in qty==1 and forgotten. but if it's bulky and expensive, and, bonus, makes for picturesque workplace fatalities, it can take on a second life in crackpot archaeology.
11:11 mircea_popescu it doesn't seem likely the device they might have built would have killed much of anyone ; moreover the story of "fatalties" is how pubescent males always tend to lend a shrowd of cool to their fantasious fabrications.
11:11 asciilifeform the reason i regard the matter of the bell interesting at all, is that the very same disinfo tactics are in use by modern usg.
11:11 mircea_popescu im sure the journalist had a bunch of girlfriends "that died" back when he was 13.
11:11 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/chauncey/ << pic vaguely related.
11:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one dude who eats a beam can magnify, with passage of time and armchair, into 'many liquid corpses' etc.
11:13 mircea_popescu especially given that it REALLY helps the story, "oh, last summer i went to this secret palace where all the girls are 19 and spend the whole day nude. unfortunately they all died. curse of the nudist palace."
11:14 asciilifeform el dorados were moar fun when you could still hide'em in unpainted section of the map.
11:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform any idea why it would be that fucking big ? you don't really gain much by making the outer cage 3 meters wide.
11:17 asciilifeform shield.
11:17 asciilifeform same reason modern reactor is a pig.
11:17 mircea_popescu i thought this thing killed people.
11:17 mircea_popescu through a meter thick shield ? how ?
11:17 asciilifeform through the business end ?
11:18 mircea_popescu ugh. so 5 out of 7 people who made it accidentally looked down the barrel ?
11:18 mircea_popescu how stupid are these nazis again ?
11:18 asciilifeform again we're touching the electric wire of the mormon cover.
11:19 mircea_popescu so it wouldn't stretch the bounds of the plausible if the nazis had an early, low efficiency, fusor-like thing ; which would have been no larger than a doberman ; and so isn't related to either some random polish dude's fantasies of "my village is special - look, that mountainside, is where thor sat down!" or whatever argentina landing bills.
11:20 * mircea_popescu is fully satisfied with "precious metals" explanation re that, fwiw.
11:21 asciilifeform since it was not obvious, i will point out, 'nazi bell' is a ~proverbial~ object, with some basis in factual history, sorta like the cross of jizzus etc.
11:21 asciilifeform not an actual item i expect to find in mircea_popescu's closet if we go drinkin'
11:21 mircea_popescu wasn't obvious at all, i spent an hour this morning wading through pseudoscience swamp because of you!
11:21 asciilifeform lelz
11:25 asciilifeform ftr, my own digs led me to the hypothesis that germany had, contrary to american official legend, a considerably cheaper method of refining U than the idiot calutron, as early as '43
11:26 mircea_popescu anyway. my fault for not keeping current on physical crackpottery i guess
11:26 asciilifeform and that much of the squid ink we see on subj, then and now, is to obscure the how, who, and what.
11:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this theory is altogether dubious because one of the richest u fields in all of europe was in romania, cvasi-native u-in-quartz deposits. which went unbothered until the 50s, when the soviets dug them up.
11:27 mircea_popescu !!up rAISellers
11:27 deedbot rAISellers voiced for 30 minutes.
11:27 asciilifeform U is really not uncommon.
11:27 asciilifeform 'rich fields' only became interesting when the demand shot up.
11:27 mircea_popescu i dunno. maybe.
11:27 asciilifeform sorta like petroleum.
11:28 mircea_popescu however - the easy access petroleum, as well as copper, iron etc was hit first.
11:28 mircea_popescu so you'd have expected them to ; romania was an ally after all ; and they did hit the oilfields.
11:28 asciilifeform aha, and the places there the water was yellow from the U, were mined first, correct
11:29 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1548932 << braxton hicks are a pre-labor contractions that are painful and annoying to the woman, can start up to a couple months before actual labor, sort of an on-again, off-again random contraction at various intervals (contrast with actual contractions which come at a steady rate and build in intensity)
11:29 a111 Logged on 2016-09-27 04:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone (of the married with children contingent) know what braxton hicks contractions are ?
11:30 mircea_popescu PeterL word. you can also induce them through masturbation ; and the process can result in a slight increase in amniotic fluid.
11:30 PeterL useful to know, I guess
11:30 mircea_popescu can come in handy, if you're for instance repressing men-talking-about-women-and-society-their-own-way.
11:30 rAISellers $register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
11:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how's that work
11:31 mircea_popescu rAISellers use !!register
11:32 rAISellers !!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
11:32 deedbot Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
11:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the whole thing was centered around "third and above degree effects, such as the social behaviour of "war""
11:33 phf asciilifeform: oh you're right
11:33 mircea_popescu rAISellers did you send it to sks server ?
11:33 mircea_popescu trinque any hoap for wotpaste pubkey to deedbot directly ?
11:33 mircea_popescu im getting sick of advertising mit and friends.
11:34 asciilifeform feel free to make'em dump key into phuctor
11:34 asciilifeform and use /download/KEY
11:35 asciilifeform it isn't decentralized by any means, though, boring old medieval central box.
11:35 asciilifeform but at least then it'll be in 2 places, vs 1, and neither'll be sks.
11:35 trinque asciilifeform: actually I could fart them over to you as I receive.
11:36 trinque mircea_popescu: yeah, I'll hammer that out momentarily
11:36 mircea_popescu ty.
11:39 trinque the thing's going through a major cleaving process, nearly done
11:40 trinque logbot-wot, logbot-deedbot, logbot-wallet, so on.
11:40 mircea_popescu but yeah, mutual masturbation with phuctor not a bad idea, if it can be done somehow so it doesn't make the ensemble more friable.
11:40 trinque background cron that flips a "sent_to_phuctor" bit
11:41 mircea_popescu worx
11:42 asciilifeform what'll mircea_popescu do with folks who get phuctored ?
11:42 mircea_popescu what'd i do ?
11:42 asciilifeform well this is perhaps the wrong question.
11:42 asciilifeform what's to be done with'em ?
11:42 asciilifeform they are, by any reasonable logic, 'dead' already. just need burial.
11:43 mircea_popescu i dunno, pretend not to notice, see who tries to scam you ? eat their babies for desert ?
11:43 asciilifeform there is not, and imho cannot be, a pleasant endgame for dude who gets his wot key publicly popped.
11:43 asciilifeform the focus oughta be on avoiding being in said position to begin with.
11:44 asciilifeform (and all else equal, it is better for a key to 'die' earlier in life than later.)
11:45 mircea_popescu why ?
11:46 asciilifeform keyholder has moar years of life left to invest in building up reputation of a replacement key ?
11:46 mircea_popescu there are no absolutes here. better and worse are entirely undefined.
11:46 rAISellers !!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
11:46 asciilifeform 'better' in the sense that it is better to have one's hdd and backups burn down when you're 14 y.o. than when you're 60.
11:46 deedbot Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
11:47 mircea_popescu depends. at 14 you prolly care about all the nude classmates you got there.
11:48 mircea_popescu rAISellers but did you send it to the sks servers ?
11:48 asciilifeform 14yo still has the nude classmates to take new photos of.
11:49 rAISellers mircea_popescu I think so, did not sync yet or something like that...
11:49 mircea_popescu aite give it a half hour or such
11:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe. somehow subjectively this is never perceived the same way.
11:51 asciilifeform subjectivity is a bitch like that. e.g. to 5yo being 'grounded' for month is rather like the idea of year in jail for a 50yo
11:51 asciilifeform subjectively.
11:54 mircea_popescu aha
11:54 asciilifeform while we're on the subject, there may be merit in deedbotting a lamport-style one-shot public key for the event of an 'asteroid' (serious number-theoretic breakthrough, or the like)
11:55 asciilifeform (with which to sign a new conventional pubkey if such a thing were to come.)
11:56 asciilifeform would also have a secondary 'fleet in being' effect
11:57 mircea_popescu or c-s for that matter.
11:58 asciilifeform multiple systems in general.
11:58 shinohai !!up rAISellers
11:58 deedbot rAISellers voiced for 30 minutes.
11:58 asciilifeform but i mention lamport specifically because it does not rely on number-theoretical conjecture (on the other hand, hashing relies on ????????? for hardness...)
11:59 mod6 <+asciilifeform> feel free to make'em dump key into phuctor << very cool
12:01 asciilifeform anyway here is a simple, 'low-tech' lamport-style scheme. let K be my current pgp key; J be a future, continuity-of-life key in some yet-undiscovered system ;
12:02 asciilifeform H is a hashing function.
12:03 asciilifeform at time T, i deedbot Ksign(H(S)), where S is a lengthy random string.
12:03 asciilifeform at time T1, when i wish to invoke the continuity, i :
12:04 asciilifeform deedbot H(S+J)
12:04 rAISellers !!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
12:04 deedbot Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
12:05 asciilifeform at time T2, i deedbot J
12:05 asciilifeform at time T3, i reveal, and deedbot, S.
12:06 asciilifeform scheme relies strictly on the strength of H (and integrity of the blockchain...)
12:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al : see if you can find a simpler variant.
12:08 asciilifeform note, J can even be another pgp/rsa key, if you are insuring against merely a 'key costs $100M and takes 5years to break' scenario, rather than catastrophic rsacalypse
12:08 mircea_popescu hang on a sec im writing up this horrid movie.
12:14 asciilifeform if K is broken publicly, or privately by the enemy, any time ~after~ T, the breaker (or anyone who learns the privkey) can try to endeedbot his own Ksign(H(S)) for his own S
12:15 asciilifeform but these are to be rejected by the verifier if the latter can locate an earlier Ksign(H(S)).
12:15 asciilifeform which is why for such a scheme to work, it would have to be agreed-upon in advance by the participants.
12:16 asciilifeform perhaps this is obvious from my description, but i have learned that it sometimes helps to restate the obvious.
12:18 asciilifeform at any rate, it is not difficult to generalize this scheme into a wide variety of 'parachutes'
12:18 asciilifeform (incl. multiple hash algos)
12:20 asciilifeform where you demonstrate that you knew Kpriv and a secret S at time T, and at some time T+i you show that 'he who knew S at time T now wishes to use key J for everyday life.'
12:23 rAISellers !!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
12:23 deedbot Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
12:25 shinohai Weird why he hasn't been seen yet, his key imported to keyserver
12:27 mircea_popescu hum.
12:36 shinohai !!up rAISellers
12:37 trinque I'm doing the paste-import thing. patience rAISellers
12:37 trinque oh boy, here comes the tornado
12:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for one thing, unpublished key is a simpler variant. create secret key K, salt-and-hash K, publish K. at later point divulge K. verification is one step and passive for you.
12:38 shinohai !~weather
12:38 shinohai bwahahahaha
12:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this works if your K is known in advance
12:38 mircea_popescu known by me.
12:38 asciilifeform i did say 'key J for a possibly yet-undiscovered cryptosystem'
12:39 mircea_popescu this doesn't matter so much, future cryptosystem will be made on the basis of rng ; rng can work with pubkey as entropy source.
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12:39 mircea_popescu ie all cryptosystems reduce to hash fucntion
12:39 asciilifeform if you divulged the seed, you divulged the privkey
12:40 mircea_popescu nono, look :
12:41 mircea_popescu t1 : i make rsa key K ; don't share it with anyone. i publish hash(salt+pubkey.K)
12:41 shinohai !~weather
12:41 jhvh1 stormy with a chance of packeting
12:41 mircea_popescu t2 : rsa is destroyed
12:41 mircea_popescu t2+epsilon : i publish key J in cryptosystem ? which was created with entropy = privkey.K
12:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here's the lethal boojum: enemy knows privkey.K at t2 and if he can get to his keyboard before you get to yours, you're dead
12:42 mircea_popescu at t2+epsilon, everyone can verify K-J continuity ; at t2 only breaker of rsa can verify.
12:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but he has to also break the salted hash
12:43 asciilifeform or hm, if it's an unpublished key, he does not. but how did you link it with your actual key
12:43 mircea_popescu which is why yours and this are equivalent (they depend on the strength of has function)
12:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform by deedobtting hash(salt+pubkey.K)
12:43 asciilifeform ah in this case with the usual meaning of deedbot, 'sign with wot key'
12:44 mircea_popescu yes.
12:44 mircea_popescu in this scheme, hash has to be epsilon-strong and that's all.
12:44 asciilifeform anyway this is ~= earlier algo, just with one fewer step
12:44 mircea_popescu quite.
12:44 mircea_popescu q was for simpler neh.
12:44 asciilifeform aha!
12:45 asciilifeform though i am still unclear on how mircea_popescu's verification works
12:45 asciilifeform say he published his J. now what do i do.
12:47 mircea_popescu i publish k, you a) verify it hash-salts to same value and b) encrypt to it
12:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i get that part
12:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but how do i verify that J belongs to mircea_popescu
12:48 asciilifeform ?
12:48 mircea_popescu because the only one who could make j is the one who at t1 owned privkey.L
12:48 mircea_popescu privkey.K*
12:49 asciilifeform gimme an algo
12:49 mircea_popescu o.O
12:49 mircea_popescu what do you want, like a c implementation ?
12:49 asciilifeform i can use to determine, for some input J, whether it belongs to the fella who has priv.K.
12:49 asciilifeform no, just pseudo
12:50 asciilifeform recall, we don't know anything about the cryptosystem J is a pubkey for.
12:50 mircea_popescu well how would i know, right. it'd depend on that.
12:50 asciilifeform it is just a string of bits, for the purposes of this gedankenexperiment.
12:50 asciilifeform and we want the algo specifically not to depend on how Jsystem works.
12:50 mircea_popescu so if ? has a encrypt() and decrypt() which seems like a safe proposition
12:50 asciilifeform but to permit ~any~ Jsystem and ~any~ J in advance.
12:51 mircea_popescu and if it further has a create-key() which seems more dubious, but is it allowable ?
12:51 asciilifeform ok, can haz algo? i found a string J, which is a public key for an asymmetric cryptosystem, that purports to belong to mircea_popescu, and published after the rsacalypse. what do i do with it.
12:52 asciilifeform i have the deedbotted hash(salt+pubkey.K) to work with
12:52 mircea_popescu then at t2+epsilon when i publish k you extract privkey.K from it and check that J was made by create-key(privkey.K_
12:52 asciilifeform so you published both halves of the k keypair, correct ?
12:53 asciilifeform public and private /
12:53 asciilifeform ?
12:53 mircea_popescu well no, i just publish the fingerprint. as per t2 = rsa broken, it then follows one can extract privkey.K from K
12:53 asciilifeform fair'nuff, rsa died
12:53 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/florence-foster-jenkins/ << Trilema - Florence Foster Jenkins
12:53 asciilifeform but!
12:53 asciilifeform how does mircea_popescu retain sole knowledge of the private key of J ?
12:54 asciilifeform if J is made wholesale from privkey.K
12:54 mircea_popescu i don't. the point is to prove K-J continuity , not to retain sole control of J
12:54 mircea_popescu can add J' in same message, signed by J for instance.
12:54 mircea_popescu this is, again, a very epsilon affair.
12:54 asciilifeform by WHICH J
12:54 asciilifeform anyone can make their own J'
12:54 mircea_popescu J = create-key(privkey.K)
12:54 asciilifeform and they are all equally poppycock if the private key of J is publicly known
12:55 asciilifeform which in the given algo, it is.
12:55 mircea_popescu it's not publicly known until i publish.
12:55 mircea_popescu ie, until t2+epsilon
12:55 asciilifeform at which point every beggar in every street can make own J'.
12:55 mircea_popescu yup.
12:56 asciilifeform this'd be handy if mircea_popescu had otp set up in advance with the people he intends to give the actual J' to
12:56 asciilifeform but otherwise quite useless.
12:56 mircea_popescu can just go in the same message.
12:56 asciilifeform and if you posit the otp (or some other way, perhaps through buttsex, for him to give the True J' to the intended recipients) it turns into my algo.
12:56 mircea_popescu nah, you just posit "one message" is possible.
12:56 asciilifeform recall, if rsa died, mircea_popescu cannot simply pgp the J' to his current circle of friends.
12:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what means 'one message' ?
12:57 asciilifeform outside of buttsex room, there is no such thing as a 'one message' that cannot be mitm'd.
12:58 mircea_popescu J.sign("Here's the laydown : 1. rsa got fucked, this is the process to exrtract privkey from pubkey ; 2. message so-and-so on deedbot was creating by so-hashing this salt and this pubkey ; 3. this here key J was created by using cryptoisystem ? with rng = privkey.K, which guarantees i am the one that made it ; 4. please use this here J' in future")
12:59 asciilifeform i get it, mircea_popescu reeeeeally loves the repudiability thing, but you gotta be careful not to make a cannon that shoots in ALL directions simultaneously. someone has to get privileged knowledge of the true J' or you are cryptodead.
12:59 mircea_popescu this system presumes there's such a thing as ordering of events.
12:59 mircea_popescu this however is a necessary assumption (seen in t1 t2 etc) and not escapable in the current paradigm.
12:59 asciilifeform J.sign can sign anything anyone likes once J is known.
13:00 mircea_popescu but not before. yes.
13:00 asciilifeform you are open to mitm in the act of deedbotting.
13:00 asciilifeform which is ~why~ i had the multiple steps.
13:00 mircea_popescu suppose for safety of this scheme, ? is made so that create-key takes a day.
13:00 asciilifeform this cannot actually be guaranteed physically, realized.
13:00 asciilifeform *realize
13:01 mircea_popescu in general "collapsed cryptosystem" reduces one to a "either you have time-order and single-message or else you restart from scratch".
13:01 mircea_popescu there's no way out of this, i'm affraid.
13:01 mircea_popescu which is why we HAVE both of these.
13:01 asciilifeform my algo from earlier requires only time-order.
13:02 asciilifeform it is not open to mitm.
13:02 mircea_popescu well yes, because it implements a sort of single-message kludge.
13:02 asciilifeform aha, because single-message is not a thing in our universe.
13:02 asciilifeform outside of buttsex room.
13:02 mircea_popescu the correct pill to all of this being, of course, gossipd.
13:03 asciilifeform ugh
13:03 asciilifeform gossipd, in all proposed variants, relies on numbertheoretical crypto
13:03 mircea_popescu because of the whole "array of keys" thing, it'd actually allow jumping over dead rsa
13:03 asciilifeform current thread is re parachute specifically against catastrophe that would burn down rsa, c-s, similar.
13:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i just mean "makes mitm meaningless"
13:04 asciilifeform likewise 'my inner circle knows what the true J' is' is not solving same problem as 'everyone who knew Kpublic can reliably learn true J' ' which in the case of serious 'for the ages' signatures, e.g., vtronics, you actually ~do~ want
13:05 mircea_popescu this much is true.
13:05 * mircea_popescu goes re-reads alf scheme
13:05 asciilifeform btw if mircea_popescu ONLY wants to give J' to his best friends, he can do that already via the otp he has with them.
13:05 asciilifeform no need for deedbot, etc.
13:05 asciilifeform 'the best machine is no machine' -- altschuller
13:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your scheme is actually dead in the water because between t2 and t3 enemy can deedbot in your name.
13:06 asciilifeform elaborate?
13:06 asciilifeform i oughta not have used word 'deedbot'
13:06 asciilifeform replace with 'publish' & reread.
13:07 mircea_popescu at t1.5 hitler deedbots J', at t2.5 hitler deedbots S' so that hash(s'+j') = hash(s+j)
13:07 mircea_popescu this is a much weaker standard of failure for h than "here's h(s) tell me s"
13:07 asciilifeform so, for convenience, i'll reprint: 1) at time T, i publish Ksign(H(S)), where S is a lengthy random string; at time T1, when i wish to invoke the continuity i publish H(S+J) ; at time T2: J; at time T3, S.
13:08 mircea_popescu also enemy has t3-t1 to fish for the pair ; as opposed to epsilon
13:08 mircea_popescu and t3-t1 is in his control, whereas epsilon is in mine
13:08 asciilifeform using the formulation above, describe what hitler should do
13:09 mircea_popescu at time t1+e hitler publishes J' ; at time t2+e hitler publishes S'.
13:10 mircea_popescu H(S'+J') = H (S+J).
13:10 mircea_popescu and see the comments above re weaker standard and bad time exposure.
13:10 asciilifeform mno, he would need an S' such that H(S') == H(S)
13:11 asciilifeform otherwise Kverify(H(S')) will fail.
13:11 asciilifeform and hitler's work is in vain
13:11 mircea_popescu he posts it before you do.
13:11 asciilifeform so?
13:11 asciilifeform it still doesn't link back to K.
13:12 mircea_popescu so nobody cares about your S anymore because afatk, S' is S
13:12 asciilifeform but it isn't, because you signed H(S), the genuine S, with K, at time T
13:12 asciilifeform and we posited time-ordering.
13:13 mircea_popescu ah yeah s is fixed.
13:13 asciilifeform and pre-agreement among the verifiers that said signature was the origin.
13:13 asciilifeform aha.
13:13 mircea_popescu so he'll have to find proper salt-collision, h(s+j') = h(s+j)
13:13 mircea_popescu this is STILL a weaker standard than "gimme s in h(s)" albeit not quite as catastrophically bad as prevbiously thought
13:13 asciilifeform correct, so it stands on the strength of the hash solely.
13:13 asciilifeform (and of the time-orderer.)
13:13 mircea_popescu different notions of "strength of hash"
13:13 mircea_popescu reversibility vs collision
13:14 mircea_popescu and the problem of t3-t1 being an interval at enemy's discretion rather than your discretion remains.
13:15 asciilifeform why at enemy's ?
13:15 mircea_popescu now this said, a provably collision-resistant h might be found ; and would be amply useful.
13:15 asciilifeform interval can be as short as 2 blocks.
13:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because he decides when you find out rsa was broken
13:15 asciilifeform well, if ~he~ broke it
13:15 mircea_popescu this is what we mean by "enemy".
13:15 asciilifeform then he can sit on it for so long as he likes
13:15 asciilifeform silently churchilling
13:16 mircea_popescu well yes, but in my secret-k scheme the epsilon is my domain alone.
13:16 mircea_popescu still, i wouldn't say these differences allow for a strict determination.
13:16 asciilifeform didn't we just 'it doesn't solve same problem' ??
13:16 mircea_popescu i suppose so.
13:16 asciilifeform it solves another, also useful problem, yes, but not same..!
13:17 asciilifeform call remains open for 'shorter algo that solves same problem'.
13:17 mircea_popescu the one important salient point here is that what we would really like for a hash function would be a H so that it is mathematically proven that NO j' exists so that h(s+j) = h(s+j')
13:18 asciilifeform this is provably impossible
13:18 asciilifeform think about it for a minute.
13:18 mircea_popescu hey, you're breaking rsa over there, do some useful stuff!
13:18 * asciilifeform opens his circle-squaring tool chest.
13:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't require that len(h(x)) < len(x).
13:19 trinque deedbot back in a moment.
13:20 asciilifeform this is probably a good time to remind readers that hash algos as we have them today (incl., yes, keccak) are pseudoscientific kit, similar to the block ciphers, rather than items where the strength is of some provable kind
13:21 asciilifeform and that the 'do trapdoors exist' fundamental question is not only not settled, but afaik there is not the faintest clue where one might begin from to settle it, nor what the proof would look like.
13:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform t1 you publish K.sign(hash(S)) ; time t2 you publish J.sign(hash(S+S')) ; time t3 you publish S and S' thus proving J knew before everyone else.
13:23 mircea_popescu still simpler than your thing, and imo better collision resistance (now h(s) = h(s+s') is required which iirc is tougher than (s+x) = (s+y) )
13:24 asciilifeform this question does not, afaik, have an answer, mircea_popescu
13:24 mircea_popescu just vague memories from back when i knew friends with rainbow tables.
13:24 asciilifeform not a ~general~ answer
13:24 mircea_popescu entirely lens polisher apocripha.
13:24 asciilifeform it had answers for some peculiarly braindead hash algos from the '90s, yes.
13:24 asciilifeform there is no expectation that modern-day ones will fail along same fault-lines.
13:25 asciilifeform (when's the last time you made a rainbow table.)
13:25 mircea_popescu like last week, lol. eulora db work has a lot of similarities.
13:25 asciilifeform lulzy
13:26 mircea_popescu the bitch with high level cognition, be it math, fucking, programming horses, riding computers et all is that you never fucking know which the same thing you'll be doing this time
13:26 mircea_popescu it's pretty trippy/
13:26 * asciilifeform adjusts stirrups on his comp
13:27 mircea_popescu i propose to you that if jockeys were sent to write software and code monkeys sent to ride horses, the overal results would sum to more.
13:27 asciilifeform likely.
13:27 trinque !!up bizarrotrinque
13:27 deedbot bizarrotrinque voiced for 30 minutes.
13:28 bizarrotrinque !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/39l52/?raw=true
13:28 deedbot Import failed for bizarrotrinque.
13:28 trinque bah!
13:30 bizarrotrinque !!register 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D
13:31 deedbot Import failed for bizarrotrinque.
13:31 bizarrotrinque alrighty, back to the old code for now.
13:33 trinque derp, I didn't upload the key, so of course the second one didn't work
13:33 trinque omaigad, I think I just had an empathy
13:34 mircea_popescu lol
13:44 mircea_popescu !!up thepirlo
13:44 deedbot thepirlo voiced for 30 minutes.
13:47 mircea_popescu !!key thepirlo
13:47 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/06fjm/?raw=true
13:59 trinque !!up bizarrotrinque
13:59 deedbot bizarrotrinque voiced for 30 minutes.
13:59 bizarrotrinque !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/39l52/?raw=true
13:59 deedbot 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D registered as bizarrotrinque.
13:59 trinque sweet.
14:00 * trinque unpersons bizarrotrinque in db
14:11 mircea_popescu nice!
14:11 bizarrotrinque !!register 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D
14:11 deedbot Import failed for bizarrotrinque.
14:12 bizarrotrinque !!register 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D
14:12 deedbot 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D registered as bizarrotrinque.
14:13 trinque mircea_popescu: alrighty, both paths workin.
14:18 mircea_popescu such win.
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14:39 trinque ;;later tell pete_dushenski new docs for !!register on http://deedbot.org/help.html
14:39 trinque !%later tell pete_dushenski new docs for !!register on http://deedbot.org/help.html
14:40 trinque !~later tell pete_dushenski new docs for !!register on http://deedbot.org/help.html
14:40 trinque ermergerd.
14:40 * shinohai sighs
14:40 jurov thestringpuller: done. not sick, just afk for a bit
14:40 trinque shinohai: what was the thing?
14:40 asciilifeform wb jurov
14:41 trinque oh, not voiced I guess
14:48 * BingoBoingo hopes jurov had a happy afk https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a7/3b/ee/a73beefdbfd7eb4dccc9c90b89e692fe.jpg
14:50 jurov ty asciilifeform BingoBoingo
14:51 shinohai trinque: yeah it's due to the freenode brouhaha
14:51 trinque nbd
14:53 thestringpuller jurov: glad you're well! :D
14:58 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/record-high-pumpkin-harvest-on-the-way/ << Qntra - Record High Pumpkin Harvest On The Way
14:58 BingoBoingo ^ Rumours of a pumpkin spice shortage are a Debeers style fabrication. Unless the shortage is on the spice side of things.
15:00 * trinque chants clim, clim, clim, in the hopes that gabriel_laddel shall appear
15:01 trinque wtf am I supposed to do, go query the cucks in #clim ?
15:03 pete_dushenski trinque: haha cheers
15:03 asciilifeform trinque: whatcha doing with clim anyway
15:05 trinque embedded doodad that puts some data on an LCD screen for an app of mine.
15:05 BingoBoingo Summoning Herr Ladedel it appears?
15:05 trinque sometimes it worx
15:07 * BingoBoingo chants clam, clam, clam, hopes that Poseidon appears
15:11 pete_dushenski trinque: http://bots.contravex.com updated.
15:11 trinque ty
15:13 pete_dushenski np
15:22 mircea_popescu ahahah
15:22 mircea_popescu #clism
15:24 mircea_popescu http://youtube.com/watch?v=DMu9PKWthLE << for opera connoisseurs si nu numai.
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15:38 asciilifeform Run Moar Tcp.
15:44 ben_vulpes assault on the republic!!1
15:45 * asciilifeform pictures toady in tempest black van, on sat phone: 'yessir, start the fleanode ddos right NOW'
15:46 asciilifeform imho we really oughta lamportize the voice mechanism.
15:46 mircea_popescu what is with all the bullshit connections you people get!
15:46 ben_vulpes no dedicated microwave to the dirigible
15:46 mircea_popescu whay ?
15:46 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes shut up it's not micro
15:46 mircea_popescu macrowave, bish!
15:47 asciilifeform that one's on mircea_popescu's nuke sub
15:47 asciilifeform ELF.
15:47 asciilifeform (btw i'd run ~that~ instead of shortwave, if i were a mad king)
15:47 asciilifeform so what if receiver needs to be 100 metres long.
15:47 asciilifeform you can put it literally anywhere on planet's crust.
15:48 asciilifeform (and, likely, elsewhere)
15:48 mircea_popescu aha
16:02 BingoBoingo To the MOON!!!
16:02 thestringpuller !~ticker
16:02 thestringpuller ;;ticker
16:02 thestringpuller @_@
16:03 mircea_popescu in other news, http://montalk.net/conspiracy/55/how-to-block-microwave-mind-programming-signals
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16:15 ben_vulpes "dear elon, why won't you hire foreign nationals"
16:15 ben_vulpes "because rockets are weapons tech, you dipshit"
16:15 ben_vulpes "and i'm on the usg.rocket.dole"
16:19 mircea_popescu seeing the success of the littoral beercan program, i'm vaguely surprised the usg doesn't bless its doomed effort of catching up with china/russia with cubical rockets.
16:20 mircea_popescu cylinders are disrespectful to women and africans, after all.
16:20 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: or "i'm an alien and am trying to get home, so usg would have to admit they are harboring a martian"
16:21 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: zing
16:21 ben_vulpes "spreading, works!"
16:21 mircea_popescu think about all the advantages : a cubical rocket doesn't need to be steered as much.
16:21 mircea_popescu just put spikes on all sides.
16:21 ben_vulpes 2/10 troll
16:22 ben_vulpes mount linear aerospikes on the edges
16:22 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtahqXjFcxU << rocketry likbez.
16:22 ben_vulpes now *thats* a retarded brick.
16:22 mircea_popescu "it has to be pointy"
16:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548698 .
16:24 a111 Logged on 2016-09-26 17:33 asciilifeform: incidentally i find it quite hilarious that three years after the snowden catalogue leak, the constellation of symptoms of rf bug illuminator victims is still Officially 'schizo'
16:24 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: u.s. 'export control' law is a real hoot. e.g., read what counts as 'exporting'
16:24 asciilifeform lol wtf just happened
16:25 shinohai a111 is becoming sentient
16:25 asciilifeform no not that
16:25 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: is that movie any good?
16:25 asciilifeform i (and a111 simultaneously) got a burst of what must be 10 minutes' worth of convo
16:25 asciilifeform in 1/2 s or so
16:25 mircea_popescu not really.
16:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fwiw, the author reads rather disturbed to me.
16:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: noshit
16:26 mircea_popescu in particular, the "pay attention to your own thought process" is pretty miserable advice.
16:27 asciilifeform aha, as per naggum's 'stop telling people to lick their teeth'
16:27 mircea_popescu tends to create the psychogenic equivalent of what happens when you go live on your local radio station with the phone next to the radio set.
16:27 asciilifeform aha, how else.
16:28 mircea_popescu imo the ~best advice in that situation is "go fuck many whores". nothing beats it and fits on a page. which is why i always suspected the pua folk of being a lot more reasonable than anyone realises.
16:29 mircea_popescu marginal and subclinical psychiatric cases abound in "modern democracy"
16:31 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/classiccoin-supplanted-by-unlimitedspamcoin-as-social-engineers-forking-brand/ << Qntra - ClassicCoin Supplanted By UnlimitedSpamCoin As Social Engineer's Forking Brand
16:33 BingoBoingo http://www.themaneater.com/blogs/the-newsroom/2016/9/19/columnist-dismissed-maneater-staff/ https://archive.is/56zrB << Win!!!
16:34 asciilifeform this is getting ridiculous.
16:34 asciilifeform re: earlier: caveat is that a man being correctly microwaved will, in all likelihood, present the symptoms of 'rather disturbed' in short order
16:34 asciilifeform if, as some of the lucky fellas seem to suggest, he can be prevented from sleeping, say.
16:35 mircea_popescu eh, so move to mongolia.
16:36 asciilifeform on dirigible, aha.
16:36 asciilifeform and enemy cannot follow you there because... reasons, aha.
16:36 mircea_popescu man who is married to a place he can't defend was already pretty disturbed.
16:36 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
16:36 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
16:36 mircea_popescu check it out trinque , it works.
16:37 gabriel_laddel It does. I search the logs for clim and my handle ~daily
16:37 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel could possibly just set up a dinger
16:38 mircea_popescu ima bbl.
16:40 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Perhaps set up a Climsten bot to ping yourself?
16:43 shinohai "Notorious transmayogendered hamplanet and serial fraudster Marshall Long has yet to complete his life's mission of eating himself to death." <<< perfect BingoBoingo
16:44 trinque lel
16:44 trinque gabriel_laddel: ahoy!
16:44 trinque what's the frame resize hook thinger, so I can redraw a pane when my frame changes?
16:53 asciilifeform the sheer, breathtaking idiocy of synchronous protocols on a plebified channel.
16:54 asciilifeform 'sorry i couldn't hear your pong in time, frogs were croaking too much'
16:55 BingoBoingo Macrowave!!! 512bps is enough for anyone!!!
16:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc it's more like 1.
16:57 asciilifeform Framedragger: your logger is dead ?
16:57 asciilifeform or hm.
16:57 asciilifeform it missed a line from me.
16:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc it's more like 1.
16:58 BingoBoingo But this is marketing Fase!!!
16:59 BingoBoingo Use seperate antennas of differing lengths to allow FM!!!
~ 15 minutes ~
17:15 asciilifeform https://archive.is/7aEnx << in unrelated olds. where hanno boeck was 3 yrs ago.
17:15 asciilifeform encouraging the use of sha1.
17:16 asciilifeform 'Hanno Böck is a freelance journalist and volunteer developer with Gentoo Linux. He also works for web hosters schokokeks.org, who rely entirely on free software for their service offerings.'
17:16 asciilifeform might be worth tracking down what specifically he's shat into.
17:16 asciilifeform to the extent that answering such a q is even possible in heathendom.
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17:54 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/us-sports-team-loses-bidding-war-to-russian-sports-team-for-sportsman/ << Qntra - US Sports Team Loses Bidding War To Russian Sports Team For Sportsman
17:54 BingoBoingo ^ Still moar altcoin news today!
17:54 pete_dushenski duffel bag fulla rubles > usg.bezzle
17:55 shinohai BingoBoingo I haz stripper news incoming soon
17:55 BingoBoingo cool shinohai
17:56 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Ironically the weather in Omsk seems to roughly mirror that of St Louis except the summer and winter extremes of temperature are still more extreme in Omsk
17:57 pete_dushenski also, fewer taxes and still fewer negroes in omsk. sorta tought to beat.
17:58 pete_dushenski at least for non-brashiers and non-subbans
17:59 asciilifeform funnily enough pete_dushenski i traded a bag of rubles for 1 usd as a boy.
18:01 pete_dushenski shoulda hodled
18:02 asciilifeform lel those ain't worth, outside of numismatic few u.s. cent/each, no more.
18:06 pete_dushenski bitcoin pizza guy thought the same!
18:07 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: alf's old rubles went through at least one official devaluation since his move
18:17 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1r1h
18:17 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
18:29 shinohai BingoBoingo was right, furries are dangerous http://archive.is/xUaJM
18:32 pete_dushenski man alive flights to ireland are priiiicey. more than oz even. /me will be waiting for a deal like a good jew.
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18:34 ben_vulpes sounds like a frivolous waste of money
18:34 ben_vulpes PRECIOUS CAPITAL
18:35 pete_dushenski eh gotta live a little
18:35 pete_dushenski da fuck are the chitlin gonna do with ALL of it
18:35 ben_vulpes chitlin?
18:35 ben_vulpes it's for drilling holes in people.
18:35 ben_vulpes buying people to drill holes in, exotic drills...
18:36 pete_dushenski mebbe irish are cheeper to buy. i have to go there to find out.
18:38 BingoBoingo Great LOL: Tonight on NBC Nightly news half of their segment on last night's debate was spent accussing Trump of fatshaming 20 years ago!
18:39 shinohai Make America thin again!
18:44 BingoBoingo shinohai: Too much legal circle jerk, too little strippers
18:46 BingoBoingo The outrage should be over America's cloaca hating healthy women, not their laws having or not having legal grounds
18:46 BingoBoingo rewrite
18:52 shinohai Meh I'll probably can it since I can find no info on stripper id's
19:03 BingoBoingo Eh, if you want to pursue it there's prolly angles. Existing draft just leans too much on legalisms nest
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20:10 mircea_popescu aaand first.
20:10 mircea_popescu let's make it stick. http://67.media.tumblr.com/85c55745cce04597861650ede0ae1210/tumblr_n63md7m2pB1t0qrbco1_1280.jpg
20:12 ben_vulpes two! two! two kinks in one!
20:13 ben_vulpes my aren't we having/the bestest of fun
20:14 asciilifeform pyronecrocryptozoophilia!1111
20:19 mircea_popescu well technically "bad tan lines" is a third
20:22 mircea_popescu in other news, vk.com ftw. https://vk.com/doc143790965_361473501?hash=f21e86f3164707edfd&dl=2eebe155c8564118c8
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22:14 mircea_popescu !!key <th3nolo>
22:14 deedbot No such key.
22:14 mircea_popescu !!key th3nolo
22:14 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/egfns/?raw=true
22:24 BingoBoingo !!up th3nolo
22:24 deedbot th3nolo voiced for 30 minutes.
22:26 th3nolo thanks bingo
22:29 mircea_popescu and in other "i just wasted all this coke" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/be0798b981a4d1fa746e4bd79c89fd1d/tumblr_njow5kDpHD1rhzk0mo1_1280.jpg
22:36 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
22:36 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431863 | Current Difficulty: 2.4122720022999103E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 433439 | Next Difficulty In: 1576 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
22:42 ben_vulpes ahaha okay this is notbad http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-orbital-rocket/
22:43 ben_vulpes > keyboarb cleaner
22:44 asciilifeform in other 'news', holy FUCK is the unix userland retarded, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8402181/how-do-i-get-bc1-to-print-the-leading-zero
22:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo third consecutive years ?
22:48 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty fxd
22:49 mircea_popescu "I was browseing the web for some cool thing to call my next project I swooped by Mike Davis's web page where there is alot of cool stuff and was checking out his homebuilt jet engine and it reminded me of a drawing I had in my fileing cabinet from years ago when I was still in grade school. I dug a little and whiped it out and asked my girl friend if she want to see something cool, she replied yeah so I showed my drawing,she
22:49 mircea_popescu said what is that a new toilet invention.
22:49 mircea_popescu I kinda giggled and said yeah. So after some hard thought planning I thought, "why not" and started to redraw my picture on windows paint, so I got my initial layout ready to post on i'ables, first here is picture of a model rocket I found online perhaps an ideal candidate for my fusilage design. ofcorse mine will have to be different,unique,personalized. " << this is what ben_vulpes makes me read.
22:50 * asciilifeform also wishes to know why he had to read this
22:52 mircea_popescu lol wife, 39, husband, 34, and "billy" friend, 28, dead.
22:53 mircea_popescu maybe it... wasn't about teh daughter ?
22:57 ben_vulpes i want to know who expects home made orbital rocket to make any sense
23:00 mircea_popescu we have great hopes for you!
23:02 BingoBoingo Seriously go orbital cannon or go home. Piss off ATF with electric ignition too!!!
23:06 ben_vulpes me, sure, give me 500mm and 2 years. instructables though? great hopes for instructables? and wikipedia, right?
23:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: theoretically a ~very~ small balloon-launched rocket is orbitable.
23:10 asciilifeform so the notion isn't wholly nonsensical.
23:11 asciilifeform but just short of wholly.
23:11 mircea_popescu theoretically i could carry a pregnancy to term.
23:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not just theoretically. Just a challenge to get baby out.
23:13 asciilifeform wake up the alices and leahs when you pull this off, i hear they're quite interested in subj.
23:14 mircea_popescu i have about the same interest in achieving either feat is the problem.
23:14 asciilifeform not really problem, i dun need these for anything.
23:15 mircea_popescu maybe they could be joined together at the hip. have moon rocket carry baby to term.
23:18 BingoBoingo Eh, add hormones, inject zygote into abdominal fluid 2x daily until one sticks.
23:21 mircea_popescu do you also do boob jobs ?
23:22 asciilifeform aside from balloons, you could possible julesverne something out of a 'hochdruckspumpe'.
23:23 asciilifeform *possibly
23:23 asciilifeform ('why' is separate question.)
23:37 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah. Boobs matter. Particular lives tend not to.
23:37 shinohai Just make sure they are 21+
23:37 BingoBoingo Anyways, pregnancy is just a particular kind of cancer.
23:37 BingoBoingo A contagious one.
23:38 BingoBoingo !~tslb
23:38 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 20 seconds
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