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00:22 mircea_popescu i have nfi
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00:55 ben_vulpes jeebus
00:55 BingoBoingo lol GNOME GuPNP is a thing
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01:49 ben_vulpes > elegant, object-oriented open source framework
01:49 ben_vulpes > written in C using GObject and libsoup
01:50 ben_vulpes but what about GnuKitchenSink?!!?1
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02:21 BingoBoingo Requires JackBoot firmware to load
02:22 ben_vulpes ZhaneBoot you cishetshitlord
02:35 * BingoBoingo would settle for WorkBoot
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03:08 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/libertarian-new-hampshire-forces-altcoin-exchange-out/ << Qntra - "Libertarian" New Hampshire Forces Altcoin Exchange Out
03:11 ben_vulpes asciilifeform, phf: i'm giving up on variable length binary-types for now. my personal pons asinorum for this library is the task of defining either a type or a class whose value could be either u8, u16, u32 or u64, plus the headaches of entirely arbitrary-length scripts.
03:11 ben_vulpes worked swimmingly for the headers, though!
03:14 * BingoBoingo still suggests move to Baudot encoding
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07:19 Framedragger https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160922.txt
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08:19 mircea_popescu incidentally Framedragger , how about a survey of response to intel's magic byte ?
08:20 mircea_popescu you have a reasonably fresh list of respondent boxes, feed them 0x32 at offset 0x47f then poll in 5 and 500 seconds see if they're up.
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08:20 mircea_popescu one of those "not going to find anything" things that experience shows would make a fine first article on your putative blog.
08:24 Framedragger oh! "catching up on logs" is an important thing indeed. you mean http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#139 - wowza.
08:24 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [01:48:02] <asciilifeform> http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-ethernet-controller-vulnerable-to-packet-of-death << etc
08:25 Framedragger mircea_popescu: absolutely - will do! though, those 22mil boxes have ssh running on them; there's prob a semi-quick way to get a broader "is it generally online" list, too. but, gotta start somewhere
08:25 Framedragger i'll prolly do this and make use of vc's cockbox. his /dev/null attitude to abuuuuze complaints is appreciated.
08:27 Framedragger hmm, gotta script this carefully. prolly not gonna be today. but will try and do this.
08:27 mircea_popescu what's the rush you know.
08:27 Framedragger (i mean, polling and re-polling later to check status etc)
08:27 Framedragger probably coffee in my mind
08:28 mircea_popescu by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now.
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08:28 Framedragger actually, half the time you're probably speaking to an overcaffeinated framedragger
08:28 Framedragger yeah for a sec i thought this was new. but totally should be done
08:28 mircea_popescu the deep point here being that this is a fundamental property of usgian "ghidusii" : the long tail of straggling losers.
08:29 Framedragger would be great to have a nosuchlabs observatory lab, with results exposed over sql or w/e, as discussed
08:29 Framedragger but i guess that's what's effectively happening anyway :)
08:30 Framedragger eventually metasploit the whole damn /0, etc
08:30 mircea_popescu heh
08:33 Framedragger btw regarding "there is no sane NIC out there" problem and appreciating the fact that designing a whole proper NIC may not be an efficient effort ("ip stack should be eventually abandoned", lots of work, economies of scale at work in semiconductor production, whatnot), i wonder why asciilifeform hasn't considered investing time not in seeking a sane nic, but rather designing / using a sane transport protocol via *radio* (i don't mean shi
08:33 Framedragger tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
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08:34 Framedragger (i'm sure it's easier told than done)
08:36 mircea_popescu in principle we could have a tmsr radio station. even makes for excellent call sign, TMSR.
08:36 mircea_popescu however, costs money to operate hardware. what's the rush.
08:39 Framedragger it'd be so much fun and would be super educational!
08:39 Framedragger i mean ideally, it'd be a p2p radio station network. antenna + dongle + stuff can be real cheap.
08:39 mircea_popescu was mentioned now and again in logs, yes.
08:39 Framedragger shortwaves bounce around the ionosphere and all that
08:40 mircea_popescu it is on the list, but first gotta have better geographic density of republican lords.
08:40 mircea_popescu not that you can't just go ahead and proof it, if you want to.
08:40 Framedragger that's the thing, i wonder if a few points around the globe wouldn't be enough, in principle!
08:40 Framedragger yeah.
08:41 Framedragger that's the way it works, i guess. talk is easy
08:42 asciilifeform radio has its place.
08:42 asciilifeform but ~long-range~ radio has very limited place.
08:42 mircea_popescu in short : it wouldn't be wasted work, we'll certainly use it later ; it's not yet scheduled, but the scheduler isn't blocking in this sense.
08:42 asciilifeform a megawatt shortwave station is a castle.
08:43 asciilifeform needs to go with cannon, anti-aircraft battery, etc.
08:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform depends how much it costs. in any case, there's a relationship between required-density and square-of-radius.
08:43 mircea_popescu so radius is good.
08:43 Framedragger but all those radio amateurs happily listening to each other's callsigns around the globe - they don't have powerful stations do they?
08:43 asciilifeform Framedragger: they're capons
08:43 mircea_popescu Framedragger not really data links, either
08:44 asciilifeform (i.e. usg-compliant)
08:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not that often.
08:44 mircea_popescu still, a 10kbps link dun help anyone much does it.
08:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 0 crypto
08:44 mircea_popescu because lazy and stupid, not because subservient.
08:44 Framedragger asciilifeform: no disagreement, hence the tone (happily masturbating each other, they are). point was, they're able to listen to each other rather easily
08:45 mircea_popescu in any case : 1 mb blocks, 10 minute blocks, you therefore must have no less than
08:45 mircea_popescu !~calc 1 * 2 ** 20 / 10 / 60 * 2
08:45 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1 * 2 ** 20 / 10 / 60 * 2 = 3495.2533333333336
08:45 Framedragger 10kbps, imho, would be *fine* for the beginning. enough for lighthoused PoC if there were to appear one later, enough to sync state, exchange keys, etc.
08:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not at all lazy, here in usa they do ~100% of the spectrum policing
08:45 mircea_popescu 3.5kBps is the absolute minimum. about 30kbps
08:46 asciilifeform transmit something they can't decode, and they carefully guide the gasenwagen right to your house
08:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ~nobody gives a shit about "there in usa". move.
08:46 Framedragger (i know that ideal lighthoused would have much higher throughput.)
08:46 Framedragger yeah i wouldn't transmit encrypted shortwaves from usa, that indeed sounds like doom
08:46 mircea_popescu Framedragger sure ; even noncompliant channels may have their uses. but still, in general you want to aim for a 30 kbps minimum.
08:46 Framedragger sure.
08:47 asciilifeform ahahahaha yaaah i'ma not only move (~$m+) but build megawatt radio on me new magic island ($10m+) suure.
08:47 Framedragger i mean personally, to be able to exchange pgp-signed sha512 hashes would make me super happy already - maybe premature ejaculation, yes, but it'd be a *useful facility*.
08:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, this suggests an extremely cheap way to fuck with the empire. produce mini board that outputs salt-hashed counter nonce, rsa and emit it.
08:47 mircea_popescu power the thing off battery, dump a bunch around people's houses.
08:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the board is trivial
08:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it counts for 0, they only care about international tx
08:48 mircea_popescu let them "guide the gasenwagen" at $100k to $20mn per guidance, untill they fall over.
08:48 asciilifeform as in 100kW+
08:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. they don't care ; it's you that have mental issues.
08:48 Framedragger (drone delivery to fbi building, etc)
08:49 asciilifeform what can i say, go and put a 100kW pirate in usa, i'll watch
08:49 PeterL did we already do thread "transmit from drone flying overhead"?
08:49 mircea_popescu by now it should be pretty self-evident, to you too. the moment one of these preconceived things gets out the mouth and then starts shapeshifting for dear life in conversation, you got an example.
08:49 mircea_popescu PeterL yes, comes up reliably.
08:49 asciilifeform PeterL: 100kW drone?
08:49 asciilifeform with what, own reactor?
08:50 Framedragger i still don't understand why the hell you need them 100kW
08:50 PeterL drone carrying nuclear reactor ... pretty cool sci-fi
08:50 mircea_popescu are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ?
08:50 PeterL why must be 100kW?
08:50 Framedragger you don't need to cover the whole damn globe (ionosphere bounces notwithstanding). it's just a *node*
08:50 asciilifeform Framedragger: you did say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546849
08:50 a111 Logged on 2016-09-22 12:33 Framedragger: tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
08:50 mircea_popescu desperately needs it to be 100k because protecting some other unexamined notions this way!
08:50 Framedragger "rather long distance" does not imply 100 kW afaik?
08:51 asciilifeform hey short-range pirates are where it's at, because they make actual sense
08:51 asciilifeform cheap, costs enemy more to kill than for us to make
08:51 Framedragger (consider a true radio relay, by which i mean a relay which sends, receives, and *passes on* messages received from one end to the other)
08:51 mircea_popescu something like that. except for the exact definition of short.
08:51 asciilifeform Framedragger: we had a long thread
08:51 * mircea_popescu has personally seen 10W station owner with postcards from fucking australia
08:52 asciilifeform i even handed out chip samples at c3 recall
08:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ionospheric lottery
08:53 * asciilifeform actually listens to shortwave, it is a very mixed bag
08:53 mircea_popescu yes, but lottery works for you when you got a lot of them.
08:53 Framedragger mircea_popescu: and those will of course not have much bandwidth capacity. but i maintain that to usefully PoC the thing, you don't need much at all. jeebus, having a radio-based key server would be amazing already
08:53 mircea_popescu ie, if you have 10k 10w stations rather than 100kw one, you will, if sanely handling errors, get a better channel from cluj to melbourne.
08:53 mircea_popescu and very likely > 30kbps.
08:53 Framedragger for seriously.
08:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on odd full moons.
08:53 mircea_popescu Framedragger this whole convo keeps popping up ; nobody's seriously against it.
08:54 asciilifeform and until usg jam.
08:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, because geodispersed. most of the time, sqrt n etc
08:54 mircea_popescu this is not jamable.
08:54 Framedragger *sigh* i'll look up dongle prices :D
08:54 asciilifeform individual stations are -- recall 'voice of america'
08:54 mircea_popescu there are no individual stations.
08:54 mircea_popescu and i do recall it ; which proves that they aren't eh ?
08:56 asciilifeform at any rate, pretty much 100% of asciilifeform's work re gossipd, incl. prior to mircea_popescu's publication, was so that eventually radio.
08:57 asciilifeform it is why i threw out all handshakes and other items that presume synchronous 2way, fast, and roughly symmetric link.
08:57 Framedragger asciilifeform: so that's the thing, maybe prototyping gossipd designs over usual packet-switched internet is not even worth it?
08:57 mircea_popescu ah also : re "encryption" : we CAN use the eliza involved in gossipd spec (anyone actually did this or just some quick napkin work and then forgot about ?) to eliza the actual emissions.
08:57 Framedragger which is, if i may say so, smart indeed
08:57 mircea_popescu markov chains can be used for the purpose of symmetrically "encrypting" ; make every byte a different word, it will be "plaintext"
08:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pass me a turing test and wake me up
08:58 mircea_popescu as a sort of steganography. who the hell is going to prove that radio chatter is "not really what it seems"
08:58 mircea_popescu Framedragger it is worth it.
08:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: stego is easily a 100x drop in channel capacity.
08:59 PeterL mircea_popescu at one point I demonstrated a script to do that, asciilifeform scoffed at it as useless
09:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: your posited 30kps turns to 0.3
09:00 mircea_popescu PeterL did i see this ?
09:01 asciilifeform PeterL: if i can tell that stego is in use, it ain't stego, definitionally
09:01 mircea_popescu and the alf "useless" signal can be safely ignored. he's decided to shit in own mouth, what can you do.
09:01 asciilifeform ( unless i'm the intended receiver )
09:02 asciilifeform i never say 'useless' unless i can break something in O(1)
09:02 mircea_popescu you say useless all the time for absolutely no reason ; and had a year's + worth of warning. too late to appeal this.
09:03 mircea_popescu do not say it anymore ; or do. for all the difference it makes, you can pick either.
09:03 asciilifeform you can have it broken prior to investing time of yourself and others in it, or after.
09:03 asciilifeform pick.
09:03 mircea_popescu i've picked.
09:06 asciilifeform at any rate if mircea_popescu wants to build sw lighthouse on his dirigible, it'd be quite spiffy, not only do i not have any argument against it, but consider it the right and properly inevitable thing.
09:08 asciilifeform but it remains true that 'eliza stego' is dumb, unless you are masquerading among spam
09:08 asciilifeform it's rather like camo on tank, the scenery matters
09:09 asciilifeform would mircea_popescu paint forest camo on his city t34?
09:10 asciilifeform also if yer gonna do this, do it right - massive net of physically dispersed transmitters, instead of multi-kw hogs
09:11 asciilifeform (at one time al schwartz and i modelled a scheme with ordinary champaigne bottles floating in ocean. it can work)
09:12 asciilifeform can last much longer than balloon (the other obvious choice) at the cost of distance covered
09:13 asciilifeform (balloon is bested only by satellite)
09:13 Framedragger i'd risk getting a visit from the spooks here, honestly been interested in viability of low bitrate (plain-encrypted, in my mind) radio exchange for a whole.
09:13 Framedragger while*
09:14 asciilifeform Framedragger: no1 rule of pirate radio is for your arse to be nowhere near the transmitter.
09:14 asciilifeform nor easily linkable with it.
09:16 Framedragger myeah, i know. but i also think it's only a matter of degree of effort: if i'm not important enough in their eyes, i'll be fine. if on the other hand i am, then they'll find a way to link me to station and will pay a visit. a.k.a. binary "are you important?" security model.
09:16 asciilifeform (alternatively for you to be fidel castro and 'go ahead and take my radio motherfuckers', which is what i originally thought this thread was to be about)
09:16 Framedragger may be a tad bit too nihilistic, sure
09:17 asciilifeform Framedragger: pirates who don't use any crypto at all tend to have problems just the same, for 'tresspassing' on whatever sovereign's 'owned' spectrum.
09:17 Framedragger yeah.
09:18 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-14#1342601 << thread starts here
09:18 a111 Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
09:18 asciilifeform historically successful ('not caught for years') radio pirates normally used either unattended devices, or fast, mobile stations on boats
09:18 Framedragger http://btcscoop.com/steg/ for sale, great. i love the web
09:19 PeterL oh, yeah, I think it just lapsed
09:20 asciilifeform PeterL: consider reposting
09:21 mircea_popescu that's the problem here - ideas are exciting, but for lack of practice western man has all but lost any knowledge of the actual excitement of actually doing things.
09:22 * asciilifeform believe or not, experiments
09:22 mircea_popescu the curse of this language space is that pretty much everything degrades by degrees into this wordy masturbation where people get excited over ideas then agree they can't be done then move on to the next.
09:22 asciilifeform i'll share a tidbit - the place to be is the vast expanse of locally-quiet spectrum.
09:23 asciilifeform (and when it stops being quiet, silently and immediately move, with a pre-agreed scheme)
09:24 Framedragger asciilifeform: silently and immediately because folks will notice if not, and you'll become a point of interst?
09:24 asciilifeform nono
09:24 asciilifeform so that you aren't stuck having to talk about it over the degrading channel
09:24 asciilifeform and it has to be automatic.
09:25 asciilifeform imagine living in obama's closet when he isn't looking. you can actually do that in radio...
09:25 Framedragger mircea_popescu: the sad part is that by "battling out" ideas in this wordspace, one gets a bit of serotonin rush, to feel *as if* they have actually done something material. i know i get this, at least. evolutionary side-effect, this whole "curiosity -> completion" gap used to be much larger, not it short-circuits easily. it sucks, need to make conscious effort to resist sinking into nihilistic bliss, i think. </rant>
09:25 Framedragger asciilifeform: ah, right!
09:25 mircea_popescu myeah.
09:25 asciilifeform Framedragger: mircea_popescu has a point, it is a sin
09:26 asciilifeform like gluttony
09:26 mircea_popescu very much a sin ; now go forth and sin no more.
09:26 Framedragger s/not it/now it/
09:26 asciilifeform !#s esp8266
09:26 a111 28 results for "esp8266", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esp8266
09:27 mircea_popescu the only sane way to look at it is over BingoBoingo 's mayo-enabler pair.
09:27 asciilifeform Framedragger ^ possibly of interest
09:27 mircea_popescu the fundamental point of reddit & co, and the main reason to avoid them, is that they format people into this specific mode,
09:27 mircea_popescu where they take turns to play the obese and the enabler for each other.
09:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik the concept was first described by dan mocsny
09:27 mircea_popescu it's very much a destructive psychiatric condition ; harmful for self, harmful for others. smoke and don't do this, rather than don't smoke and do it.
09:27 mircea_popescu quite possibly.
09:29 Framedragger asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266 - nifty! but this is wifi, i.e. ghz ranges no?
09:29 asciilifeform Framedragger: quite respectable city ranges, 300+ metres
09:29 Framedragger niice.
09:30 mircea_popescu ballas' celebrated "so you feel strongly about something, strong enough to not do anything" is just as much a statement. there's no lack of observation, it's just that piggy likes his truffle.
09:30 asciilifeform Framedragger: the mega-feature was the all-in-one micro (just needs current source, a few milliamp) and unspeakable cheapness
09:30 asciilifeform (chinese)
09:32 Framedragger mmm. i2c interface, etc. yeah. this is a very neat useful thing.
09:33 asciilifeform Framedragger: notice, you don't even need the external i/o pins
09:33 asciilifeform thing is a respectable micro comp on its own
09:33 Framedragger may as well put a power source on it, even a solar cell, and leave in coffee shop for anon wifi, heh.
09:33 asciilifeform can relay, even perform basic crypto, in principle
09:33 Framedragger yeah!
09:33 Framedragger right, right. hm that's pretty great
09:33 asciilifeform i have a crate of'em, waiting
09:34 asciilifeform Framedragger: at one time i suggested thermovoltaic device to mircea_popescu , he wrote entire article
09:35 asciilifeform !#s parasitic relay
09:35 a111 5 results for "parasitic relay", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=parasitic%20relay
09:36 asciilifeform anyway sloth is a sin, motherfuckers. the 2 (3?) dudes i gave esp8266 boards to at c3, have they powered'em up?
09:37 asciilifeform it just wants 3v.
09:37 asciilifeform program with, e.g., 'buspirate'
09:43 Framedragger need to minimize energy expenditure at $job. "go home tired" sort of case, it's sad. i'd like to, e.g., among other matters (incl mkj log etc of course), write a very initial very to-be-criticized gossipd for udp/ip, using (kill me now) python twisted. i guess many live like this, savouring free time, with personal projects falling behind. [i rant today, because exhaustion + coffee infusion => wee bit psychedelic]
09:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546840 << 3 fwiw
09:44 a111 Logged on 2016-09-22 12:28 mircea_popescu: by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now.
09:45 asciilifeform Framedragger: at this point i think everyone here has an unpublished prototype.
09:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546830 << this'd be incredibly spiffy
09:46 a111 Logged on 2016-09-22 12:20 mircea_popescu: you have a reasonably fresh list of respondent boxes, feed them 0x32 at offset 0x47f then poll in 5 and 500 seconds see if they're up.
09:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: another experiment, in similar vein, is fuzzing (yes) nics right on a desk
09:47 asciilifeform feed the thing validly checksummed but otherwise from rng packets, at line rate
09:47 asciilifeform eventually might strike gold.
09:49 mircea_popescu word ; i was thinking of proposing exactly this but then i got distracted.
09:50 mircea_popescu the companion to Framedragger 's exploration to be done at home is evidently - there's only 3 chips, right ? get a realtek, an intel and a broad and fuzz them
09:50 thestringpuller "The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
09:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's ~dozen subspecies of each, but yes
09:50 mircea_popescu thestringpuller ideally you want to do it all in ram and dump to disk 2gb at a time
09:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform tru, but dollars to donuts they didn't change the magic for each chip.
09:52 asciilifeform the intel find (and if you buy the 'bug' excuse, i've a bridge to sellya) was a clue that the bastards never bothered with serious crypto magic for the boobytrap
09:52 mircea_popescu either because lazydumb or because afraid someone might microscope/probe the things and find it.
09:53 asciilifeform the OTHER thing to do, on top of these earlier 2, is to collect martian packets.
09:53 asciilifeform if it lands in your house and your machinery has nfi what it was for - save it...
09:54 mircea_popescu somewhat less conclusive, but more expensive. still, it may turn out very interesting
09:54 asciilifeform it is the least 'sexy' method but betcha it is where the corpse is buried.
09:55 asciilifeform and you'll find 10,001 species of strange.
09:55 asciilifeform !!up andr1976
09:55 deedbot andr1976 voiced for 30 minutes.
09:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: microscope is of course the 4th method. ought to be included for completeness .
09:56 asciilifeform and if anyone knows of a 5th, i'm all ears.
09:57 asciilifeform (perhaps 5th is to steal the crown jewels from the culprit himself)
10:11 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q3/592 << picture if you went into a restaurant and waiter tells you that the chair-dildo system is broken
10:14 Framedragger lol. bug in uefi, me heart is truly broken
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10:31 PeterL http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jfzos/?raw=true << saving for posterity. I archived back about a year, if anybody wants to archive farther back than that they can use this.
10:31 asciilifeform PeterL: neato
10:31 asciilifeform sooooooo mircea_popescu , Framedragger , et al, while we're on 'pirate radio' thread, i'd like to put a few useful items in the record:
10:31 asciilifeform 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
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10:31 asciilifeform it just needs an amp.
10:31 asciilifeform (and antenna)
10:32 shinohai YAgi's are cheap and easy to make would that work ?
10:32 asciilifeform shinohai: the amp is the tricky bit. and the dirigible.
10:32 shinohai yeah :/
10:33 asciilifeform 2) consider a device of the following scheme. receives luby-coded packets via radio; if packet checksums AND has one of N lordly signatures, it is relayed (transmitted to neighbouring nodes.) otherwise, not.
10:34 asciilifeform this can vary significantly, it is not necessary for ALL nodes globally to use same freq., only for neighbours to somehow agree;
10:34 asciilifeform and likewise the power of the station can vary depending on who the operator is ( if mircea_popescu , megawatt, if asciilifeform living in amphora on the streets of athens, a watt, etc)
10:35 asciilifeform every key gets a timeslot, such that one defeated lord does not result in a perma-ddosed net.
10:35 Framedragger nice reference to diogenes asciilifeform
10:36 Framedragger nice. what of DoS via replay, asciilifeform ? or should this get ignored? i.e. enemy just floods with identical packets (so both checksum and sig ok), and those get redistributed
10:36 asciilifeform this is not, note, a 'gossipd' net per se, but potentially component in one.
10:36 asciilifeform Framedragger: see my lighthouse scheme for the pill against replay ddos.
10:37 * asciilifeform brb
10:37 Framedragger indeed, indeed. and yet incorporating a lighthouse lifts the scheme from pure elegance to additional complexity. but maybe that's not to be avoided, and such is life
10:46 asciilifeform Framedragger: aaaaaaaactually there is a very elegant solution to replay when you have radio net like this
10:46 asciilifeform you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer.
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10:47 asciilifeform this'd have a cost, however, of limiting the number of 'hops' that the thing can propagate along.
10:47 asciilifeform (if what i said does not make sense, draw it on napkin)
10:48 Framedragger asciilifeform: buffer is a rolling window (or how do you call it), i.e. last N messages? hmm
10:48 asciilifeform correct.
10:48 asciilifeform gives 'expiration' without invoking notions of political time etc.
10:48 Framedragger hm sounds nice
10:49 asciilifeform so you don't actually need any elaborate moving parts, lighthouses, etc
10:49 asciilifeform just scheme as-described.
10:49 Framedragger asciilifeform: i wonder, could this not be predicted by the enemy? (value of nonce - say the enemy is aware of the (likely) packets received by the receiving end.) i'm not sure, just trying out all possibilities in the head, because otherwise sounds nice
10:50 asciilifeform Framedragger: enemy can predict all he likes, but unless he has your private key it does him no good
10:50 asciilifeform he cannot sign the payload-cum-nonce.
10:50 asciilifeform the only thing he can replay is a VALID packet, while it is valid! which helps you.
10:51 shinohai !!up burnsd03
10:51 deedbot burnsd03 voiced for 30 minutes.
10:51 burnsd03 ?
10:51 shinohai burnsd03: this is the chan where you register your key
10:52 burnsd03 thanks
10:53 Framedragger asciilifeform: ah, right, i forgot everything's signed, lol. nice! i guess enemy could replay for a (choosably) small window of time, some degree of flooding possible? but this could be minimized and that's the point, right?
10:53 asciilifeform Framedragger: again, what'll he flood with ?
10:53 Framedragger same exact packet - he would assume the nonce in packet refers to a packet that is still in the receiver's buffer
10:54 Framedragger maybe i'm not getting the picture how quickly entries in the buffer can expire, though
10:54 asciilifeform the one thing he could do is to stretch out a packet's life, by setting up own relay net
10:54 asciilifeform one obvious pill against this is to flush buffers periodically.
10:54 asciilifeform (atmospheric noise is likely to result in this naturally, but can be made explicit.)
10:55 asciilifeform anyway the obvious hole in my scheme is the base case of the induction
10:55 asciilifeform i.e. how to transmit the first packet.
10:55 burnsd03 !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
10:55 deedbot Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
10:55 asciilifeform as soon as anybody ( mircea_popescu ? ) figures this piece out, folks can go, build.
11:00 burnsd03 !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
11:00 burnsd03 !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
11:00 burnsd03 !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
11:00 deedbot Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
11:00 deedbot Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
11:00 deedbot Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
11:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
11:02 asciilifeform 'Anyway, I was quite surprised to find a "low cost" version of this kind of ICE over at: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667. Well, I'd like to thank to whoever posted a comment about this ICE in my previous post. It's very interesting nonetheless ;-).'
11:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent
11:04 asciilifeform (even if the ~title~ is terrifyingly cringe-inducing)
11:04 Framedragger asciilifeform: you mean an initial packet after a period of silence? hm yeah; one way would be to have a scheme in place which i think you may have suggested anyway: to have stations constantly stream packets at some rate, 24/7.
11:05 asciilifeform Framedragger: thing needs work.
11:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and i am floored to discover that the man who wrote ~the~ book on subj of bios internals, never had an ICE.
11:06 asciilifeform (the comparison with deaf beethoven invites itself)
11:10 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547078 << when message is recieved using nonce, remove nonce from buffer, then that message cannot be replayed because nonce no longer in buffer
11:10 a111 Logged on 2016-09-22 14:46 asciilifeform: you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer.
11:10 PeterL not sure if that makes sense with what asciilifeform was talking about?
11:11 asciilifeform PeterL: it would if the scheme allowed for any way to send the first packet...
11:12 asciilifeform this is what i get for following the advice to 'post things instead of sitting on'em' - sometimes it will be an escherian house.
11:13 asciilifeform i do not know how to make the house stand up. if you do - post.
11:13 shinohai !!up burnsd03
11:13 deedbot burnsd03 voiced for 30 minutes.
11:14 burnsd03 mircea_popescu could you please make me an account? Just following the quick-start guide :)
11:15 burnsd03 !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
11:15 deedbot E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7 registered as burnsd03.
11:15 burnsd03 great :)
11:19 PeterL hi burnsd03, who are you? name makes me think of burnside, wasn't that the btctc guy?
11:20 shinohai Exactly who I thought of PeterL lol
11:20 burnsd03 nope lol :P
11:20 burnsd03 never heard of burnside?
11:21 shinohai Let's hope not, unless you like scams too.
11:22 burnsd03 nope, i stay clear of hyips etc
11:22 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque i found another debuggable amd board, http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48155
11:22 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:23 Framedragger PeterL: ah, good point. and regarding first packet, i wonder if some very light lighthouse version would make sense, a pre-shared sequence of whitelisted nonces between two given nodes, whatnot. in the beginning, interchangeable over internet. and later, updateable over same radio channel ("here's my payload, and also please add to your whitenoncelist this encrypted sequence of nonces for future channel initiations.")
11:23 asciilifeform Framedragger: you can't have a network of cheapo relays with seekrits in'em
11:23 asciilifeform enemy finds ONE, you're done.
11:24 asciilifeform whole ~point~ of 'relay signed strings' is that you can start releasing balloons, etc.
11:24 shinohai neat asciilifeform ... I haven't sourced one of the others yet :/
11:24 asciilifeform shinohai: the amd thing is for aficionados strictly
11:25 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48194 <<< aaand another
11:25 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:27 Framedragger asciilifeform: ah, so 'private key' is purely 'station key' - i guess like in latest gossipd discussion
11:27 Framedragger which yeah makes sense
11:27 asciilifeform Framedragger: private key is in the thing lords use to inject packets into the relay net.
11:27 asciilifeform remember that the hypothetical scheme is not gossipd.
11:28 asciilifeform the 'signed-packet-relay' concept's entire appeal is that it is more or less jam-proof, and the nodes - disposable
11:29 Framedragger right.
11:29 asciilifeform as for what its use is - could be, e.g., gossip lighthouse, or btc tx relay, or something else. uses are to be conceived of later.
11:30 PeterL could relay messages from one gossipd node to another
11:31 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
11:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the point, which i tried and apparently failed to make earlier, is that gigantic radio stations are a largely-unnecessary luxury
11:32 asciilifeform yes, it is nice to have 100kW sw that can be reliably heard across the atlantic. but you don't need it to cross land, it is much better to have 1,001 small and disposable unattended boxes.
11:32 asciilifeform if you have enough of'em scattered, their removal becomes uneconomical even for hitler
11:38 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent << Hence why very newsworthy. Raises your esteem and that of republic. Harder for a certain sort to ignore than Phuctor.
11:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: eh, whole field is ~dozen people, max.
11:41 asciilifeform and the device is, afaik, ~extinct.
11:41 asciilifeform ( i'd dearly love to be proven wrong about this )
11:42 BingoBoingo Maybe only a dozen people in actual field, but people likely worth having the esteem of.
11:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is presently comparable to astronomy at a time when telescope existed but only 'weirdos' had heard of it.
11:44 BingoBoingo Right, but the weidos were actually doing something. For that actual field of a dozen there's prolly a fandom of hundreds to thousands because less capable weirdos.
11:44 asciilifeform now this i have nfi about, measuring 'fandoms' is 'above my paygrade.'
11:46 BingoBoingo nfi about fandom's value here either, but the people doing things worth esteeming with. Attraction rather than promotion as PR strategy.
11:48 shinohai Need moar groupies.
11:52 asciilifeform for what?
11:53 trinque asciilifeform: my gizmo 1 gets here tomorrow.
11:53 asciilifeform neato
11:53 shinohai To fawn over you incessantly of course asciilifeform
11:53 asciilifeform trinque: let us know if it comes with the probe.
11:54 trinque will take pictures of the kit and write it up
11:54 asciilifeform trinque: and when you feed it the pill, post result...
11:54 asciilifeform cool
12:08 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160922.txt
12:08 asciilifeform 'A malicious client can send an excessively large OCSP Status Request extension. If that client continually requests renegotiation, sending a large OCSP Status Request extension each time, then there will be unbounded memory growth on the server. This will eventually lead to a Denial Of Service attack through memory exhaustion. Servers with a default configuration are vulnerable even if they do not support OCSP. Builds using the "no-
12:08 asciilifeform ocsp" build time option are not affected. Servers using OpenSSL versions prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable in a default configuration, instead only if an application explicitly enables OCSP stapling support.'
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12:34 mats http://imgur.com/a/fOFNj
12:35 asciilifeform y'know when 'picture's worth 1000 words'? this one's worth 1...
12:35 mats :(
12:36 asciilifeform hey it's useful!!
12:36 asciilifeform but can summarize - from 2008, all used CAN bus
12:37 asciilifeform i had once an ancient toyota that had a debug port, but weird proprietary analogue one, i gathered the docs but the thing fell apart before i got a chance to use.
12:38 asciilifeform !!up veter2601
12:38 deedbot veter2601 voiced for 30 minutes.
12:38 asciilifeform veter2601: hello?
12:38 veter2601 hello
12:38 asciilifeform veter2601: who might you be ?
12:39 mats fella in the field once told me a modern car's center console has 6+ microprocessors, 4+ with radio interfaces (the strictly on-board ones, not counting external stuff like TPMS)
12:40 asciilifeform mats: wouldn't surprise me if at this point even the blinkers had own micro
12:40 asciilifeform in each.
12:42 mats heh
12:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-03#1118879 << see also.
12:43 a111 Logged on 2015-05-03 03:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone decided to use a microcontroller. quite possibly because 29 cents instead of 30 for a '555'.
12:46 veter2601 Tell me how I can (Earn 0.01 BTC (one bitcent) per two hours doing computer stuff.) pls
12:47 asciilifeform that's a mircea_popescu question
12:48 veter2601 Thank you)
12:49 asciilifeform ... didn't mircea_popescu have a separate kindergarten for these folks..?
12:49 asciilifeform #eulora ?
12:54 asciilifeform https://archive.is/vvYbd << in other noose, Run Moar Dns!1111
12:54 asciilifeform '“There is a logical possibility that somebody has cracked it and we don’t know,” Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet, told Motherboard in a phone call. He stressed, however, that there is no reason to believe the key has been compromised.'
13:00 asciilifeform 'Another reason for the key switch is that it is going to increase in size, from 1024 bits up to 2048. As time goes on, and computing power increases, the chance of someone cracking the key, although still low, increases.' << mega-l0l
13:01 shinohai asciilifeform: when the tardstalk people come in, just have them msg me or something and I'll point them to the guides
13:02 asciilifeform shinohai: sure
13:02 shinohai Sometimes I miss them.
13:02 shinohai so logs don't get cluttered
13:03 asciilifeform shinohai: i still don't fully grasp why they gotta come here and not #eulora
13:03 shinohai They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
13:03 asciilifeform why not ?
13:04 shinohai I dunno *shrugs*
13:04 shinohai Guess have to ask trinque
13:05 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://lawfare.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/staging/2016/hpsci_snowden_review_-_unclass_summary_-_final.pdf >> atrocious usg ocr >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/n4l56/?raw=true << for expert entomologists strictly
13:05 asciilifeform ^ 'official 5 minutes of hate' for the вредитель trotsk^H^H^H^H^H^Hsnowden
13:05 trinque I don't see a problem with people coming to the forum to announce their existence as a person.
13:05 trinque or at least a potential person.
13:06 shinohai I mean I usually just don't voice them until they actually produce a key.
13:06 shinohai So wasn't a big deal to me.
13:08 trinque not that I'm opposed to parking an instance in #eulora
13:09 asciilifeform 'He claimed to have left Army basic training because of broken legs when in fact he washed out because of shin splints. He claimed to have obtained a high school degree equivalent when in fact he never did. He claimed to have worked for the CIA as a "senior advisor," which was a gross exaggeration of his entry-level duties as a computer technician. He also doctored his performance evaluations and obtained new positions at NSA by exag
13:09 asciilifeform gerating his resume and stealing the answers to an employment test. In May 2013, Snowden informed his supervisor that he would be out of the office to receive treatment for worsening epilepsy. In reality, he was on his way to Hong Kong with stolen secrets.'
13:09 asciilifeform oh noez, an Unlicensed Liar !111
13:09 asciilifeform without permit from clitler.
13:11 phf what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
13:12 trinque if he had any Real Honor he'd come have his ass perforated in a federal CMU
13:14 phf is this like the cry of every school yard loser, "he wasn't fighting fair"
13:14 asciilifeform the cry of every loser who ever lived.
13:21 mats there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
13:30 PeterL http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/22/are-stem-syllabi-gendered-a-feminist-pro << lols. tldr; feminidiot says it is sexist to say there is objective truth
13:32 PeterL http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/21/mass-high-court-rules-black-men-may-have legitimate reason to run from police << USG.MA admits it is bad at policing
13:43 mircea_popescu !!key burnsd03
13:43 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ttqjx/?raw=true
13:47 asciilifeform https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/09/22/ethereum-network-currently-undergoing-dos-attack << in other lelzies
13:48 mircea_popescu aww
13:49 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#395 << this is a pretty good point.
13:49 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
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13:50 mircea_popescu could prolly make 100W emitter strictly out of 200 bucks worth of old lappy +/- old car battery.
13:57 asciilifeform or if you just want 10mW or so, just ordinary cable, no amp.
13:57 asciilifeform this idea doesn't belong to me, either, it is ancient.
14:02 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#311 << word. meanwhile this merged in my head with the eliza-for-gossipd thread (re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541643 ) ; there should in principle be a way to have the same tool do both things, and therefore probably should do it that way.
14:02 a111 Logged on 2016-09-14 12:34 mircea_popescu: incidentally, and re http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119099 : if anyone likes to fuck around with markov chains etc, a prototype implementation of that would be perfect at this juncture.
14:02 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [13:18:17] <a111> Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
14:07 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#449 << "There was at least one mistake I did in my BIOS book that I didn't realize due to my handicap in not having an ICE and its related skills." gimme a break ; that dude read nothing past cereal boxes.
14:07 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:02:23] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
14:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have b00k with his name on the cover, and it is genuinely valuable.
14:08 asciilifeform (who wants 133337 w4r3z copy, pm)
14:08 mircea_popescu writes book on bios, has no hardware knowledge ?
14:08 asciilifeform he's a reverser
14:08 mircea_popescu aite.
14:08 asciilifeform and this education gap is surprisingly common.
14:13 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#495 << aha. power dun help so much after a while.
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14:13 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
14:14 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#515 << nice! need a whole lotta this.
14:14 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:54:05] <trinque> will take pictures of the kit and write it up
14:15 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#520 << the servers prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable thing is the paydirt there.
14:15 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [16:08:42] <asciilifeform> ocsp" build time option are not affected. Servers using OpenSSL versions prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable in a default configuration, instead only if an application explicitly enables OCSP stapling support.'
14:15 mircea_popescu they broke it. 1001 ways.
14:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: linked solely for that detail.
14:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547255 << this point doesn't get much press, but radio - just like, e.g., nuke - suffers from severe case of diminishing returns
14:17 a111 Logged on 2016-09-22 18:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#495 << aha. power dun help so much after a while.
14:17 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
14:18 mircea_popescu on current tech sweet spot seems to be somewhere in the 1 to 10 W ; which is how and why wifi is even a thing ; and which drives the question that wouldn't it be much better to just use wifi instead ?
14:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wifi is crowded already nearly to death.
14:18 mircea_popescu this is not automatically a disagvantage.
14:19 mircea_popescu moreover, at 10 bux an item, if you end up with sqrt (distance) items to cover a distance expressed in 10 meter increments, you're looking at what, 150bucks per km of comms. this is way the fuck cheaper than laying wires ; and works on all terrain etc.
14:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: except in serious city it has become difficult to hear a 2.4G wifi even in next room.
14:20 asciilifeform much less across the street.
14:20 asciilifeform everything has a breaking point.
14:20 mircea_popescu sure. but there's a sweetspot for the wifi, where they're impossible to find from a distance. that same pollution also protects them.
14:21 asciilifeform now if you're in ~no~ kind of hurry, and know luby algo, you can wifi.
14:21 asciilifeform which is why i'd like to get folks playin' with esp8266.
14:22 asciilifeform and i have a box of 20 here waiting for the first fella who gets interesting result
14:22 mircea_popescu " Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet" << there's a gavin everywhere!
14:22 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
14:22 asciilifeform i bet he sits in 'linux foundation' board also.
14:22 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#552 << could just as well pm deedbot.
14:22 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:03:40] <shinohai> They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
14:23 mircea_popescu but honestly, a little bit of exposure can't hurt anything.
14:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, his brother.
14:25 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#567 << the usg bureaucracy is very much dumb-woman-from-montana as depicted by frances mcdormand in fargo. there's this list of formal sins that's all they comprehend and consequently serve as their only interface wioth the world. "said nigger" "didn't eat veggies" "doesn't recycle" "cheated on spouse" etc.
14:25 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:11:17] <phf> what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
14:25 mircea_popescu to them, this is what's important.
14:26 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#571 << i'm of the same persuasion. nevertheless, snowden pre-greenwald and snowden post-greenwald are very much different animals.
14:26 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:21:35] <mats> there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
14:27 asciilifeform btw do we have even 1 pgp-signed thing from herr s ?
14:27 mircea_popescu experientia docent ; de raadt pre bob beck and post bob beck very much different animals also. list can continue.
14:27 asciilifeform either kind
14:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude had very little operational foresight, ability or competence.
14:27 asciilifeform ~0
14:27 mircea_popescu so no, there's not much useful anything, sadly.
14:28 asciilifeform alternatively, never existed. any more than sherlock holmes.
14:28 mircea_popescu in no small part the point of even having a republic is that the next snowden does a much better job. and having the occasional noob show up in here to work the bots is part and parcel of this same.
14:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, this is the sort of determination that only they who were there can make. just as arguably mengele never existed ; wholly creation of jew victimlobby.
14:29 asciilifeform tru
14:30 mircea_popescu ahahaha laura parson kicks all ass! "stem syllabi are gendered because they promote the idea that knowledge can be ascertained through reason, which is a masculine concept that hurts women's feelings and makes it difficult for them to succeed."
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14:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re mengele, mega-st0ry, http://samlib.ru/editors/m/mironow_andrej_aleksandrowich/konzlager.shtml
14:31 mircea_popescu heh.
14:32 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#573 << ahahaha what, black men only ?
14:32 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:32:15] <PeterL> http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/21/mass-high-court-rules-black-men-may-have legitimate reason to run from police << USG.MA admits it is bad at policing
14:33 PeterL well, black men seem to be targeted most by police, so therefore they have that excuse to run away
14:34 mircea_popescu so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them.
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14:34 PeterL but I think anybody could point to this and say running away was not reasonable cause for suspicion, but IANAL
14:34 mircea_popescu the problem is that the police machinery of the rogue state bestows its blessings particularly on tall women with nice tits, and therefore it's all about ~that~
14:34 mircea_popescu how are these idiots so good at self-falsification ?
14:36 PeterL you want rogue state to outright admit that it is a rogue state?
14:37 mircea_popescu independence of judiciary an' all that eh ?
14:37 PeterL what independence? they all get elected by the same people, don't they?
14:38 mircea_popescu i have nfi.
14:38 mircea_popescu i think in texas judgeships are elective, but in mass nominated ?
14:38 mircea_popescu but in other bounce, http://67.media.tumblr.com/8c5d6e91bb2cbf449730cea0bcea7d37/tumblr_ngamkcpJ5N1tpox31o1_400.gif
14:39 mats the country's about split half and half with elections and appointments
14:40 PeterL "The seven justices of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court are appointed by the governor with the approval of the Governor's Council." looks like you are right
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15:21 asciilifeform https://archive.is/Utpzd << in other lulz, from earlier rag
15:22 asciilifeform '...state lawmakers on Thursday heard from local officials in cities like Nashville, which requires homeowners obtain a permit before renting their homes on Airbnb and similar websites. Nashville's regulations also cap short-term rentals at no more than 3 percent of all homes in a given neighborhood—so if 3 percent of your neighbors are listing their homes through a room-sharing service, you won't be allowed to get a permit even if
15:22 asciilifeform you meet all the other qualifications the city has set.'
15:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547305 << in what country on what continent do normal people ~not~ avoid police when possible..?
15:23 a111 Logged on 2016-09-22 18:34 mircea_popescu: so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them.
15:24 asciilifeform that being said, plainly and obviously ~running~ from policeman more or less blows your cover, neh ?
15:25 asciilifeform like running from dog.
15:25 asciilifeform beast has 'if running, chase' burned in its firmware.
15:26 PeterL police are like the T-rex in Jurrasic Park - hold still and they can't see you
15:26 asciilifeform approx.
15:27 asciilifeform and i have exactly same sympathy for 'stotters' who deliberately provoke the idiot cop as for those dudes who fuck wasp hives.
15:27 asciilifeform srsly, why.
15:28 asciilifeform ( can anyone find, in the logz, that iconic photo of the fella spinning wasp hive on his cock ? try as i might, it refuses to turn up )
15:31 mircea_popescu lol
15:32 mircea_popescu i dunno if you've ever heard of the "national sovereignity" thing ; but let me point out it was originally enacted by europeans through the process of deliberately provoking the austrohungarian police.
15:33 asciilifeform if yer wasp-proof -- fuck away
15:33 asciilifeform if not - either refrain, or dun complain...
15:33 mircea_popescu well, nobody's wasp proof. including the derpy archduke.
15:33 mircea_popescu and in other stottings, http://66.media.tumblr.com/13ff53844d29ac2e31658c23de5aefcc/tumblr_ng7xhcK7zl1rpr8w3o5_400.gif
15:34 asciilifeform note, i didn't paint wasp-fucking as a sin. simply another hobby, that requires adequate preparation and equipment.
15:34 asciilifeform folks who go in without - well, you can try and go sailing without boat, also
15:34 mircea_popescu "token's life matters" people seem uncharacteristically well equipped.
15:34 asciilifeform (dunno, hold up old newspaper for sail..?)
15:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lulzy - what kind of vehicle is that
15:35 asciilifeform hearse ?
15:35 mircea_popescu looks like one of those rental limos
15:35 mircea_popescu prolly seen its fair share of homecoming orgies.
15:35 asciilifeform neato
15:35 asciilifeform i oughta take a ride in a limo, so as to even know what it looks like.
15:36 asciilifeform this is not the first time i had nfi.
15:36 mircea_popescu gasenlimo
15:36 asciilifeform gas in style!111
15:49 BingoBoingo Oh, Yahoo git breached, newsing
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16:09 shinohai O.o
16:12 BingoBoingo Him in our time motherfuckers!
16:13 * BingoBoingo in other news in playing with houseplants and working on invading the indoor portions of my spider hole with gardening.
16:21 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> gasenlimo <+asciilifeform> gas in style!111 << haha
16:29 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/peace-comes-to-yahoo-half-a-billion-users-affected/ << Qntra - Peace Comes To Yahoo – Half A Billion Users Affected
16:36 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/qntra/status/779056042583793664 << Obligatory Spam
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17:08 mircea_popescu lulz
17:10 asciilifeform lulzy
17:10 asciilifeform now if anybody ~used~ yahoo...
17:15 mircea_popescu all sorts of idiots use yahoo.
17:15 mircea_popescu of the same crop who use windows etc.
17:16 BingoBoingo Most people don't use Yahoo to Yahoo. They use Yahoo to do X thing a yahoo attached tool purported to do.
17:16 asciilifeform btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547240 -- oblig. reading -- 1) http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic ; 2) http://bellard.org/dvbt << modern-day.
17:16 a111 Logged on 2016-09-22 17:49 scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
17:18 asciilifeform incidentally, vga is not the only possible illicit arse for radio
17:18 asciilifeform gB ethernet has 125Mhz base frequency...
17:19 asciilifeform but vga is the champ because it does not expect anything ~back~
17:20 asciilifeform though if you are using a traditional os, you will need to fool the card re display's 'ddc' being connected
17:20 asciilifeform either this, or boot dos etc., drive card directly.
17:22 asciilifeform http://lambda-diode.com/electronics/tempest << other well-known experiment with exotic (0 added hardware) transmission, via, e.g., cpu looping
17:22 asciilifeform (this is much harder on modern x86 than on the 8bit micros we grew up with)
17:33 asciilifeform and further re 'pirates'. http://darkliferadio.proboards.com/thread/554/crystal-osc-class-linear-transmitter << anthropologically interesting.
17:38 phf wasn't there also a radio hack, using crt output
17:40 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7yQ_Z4vB4c
17:43 phf oh never mind that's what you already posted
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18:02 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1ps9
18:02 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
18:08 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/relaxing-white-house-gmail-lulz/ << Qntra - Relaxing White House Gmail Lulz
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19:15 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
19:15 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431038 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 385 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
19:21 shinohai !!up Bit4u
19:21 deedbot Bit4u voiced for 30 minutes.
19:25 asciilifeform the jet circus over dc has been going since monday - today at its loudest, squadron of 4 jet fighters now joined by 2 'hercules', and at least 1 little prop thing that looks like it escaped from ww2
19:25 asciilifeform they go in circles, circles.
19:30 BingoBoingo lol, crop circles?
19:30 asciilifeform crop?
19:31 BingoBoingo You know alien crop circles to go with alien lizard masters?
19:33 BingoBoingo !!up Bit4u speak and fix your connection or face ignoring!
19:33 deedbot Bit4u voiced for 30 minutes.
19:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo must be posting from 1947 or wat.
19:34 BingoBoingo Well do you have a better year to live in?
19:35 asciilifeform http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/prosecutor_preet_bharara_trial_will_show_state_corruption_in_gory_detail.html << in other preet
19:36 shinohai preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
19:41 asciilifeform https://archive.is/9KNIH << in related vintage lulz.
19:46 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://dcleaks.com/index.php/mel_may_jun_jul16 << brainmelting snore
19:48 asciilifeform 'From: Victorio, Armando I. SSgt USMC WHMO/OPS <Armando.Victorio@whmo.mil> Sent time: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:53:58 +0000 To: ianmellul@gmail.com <ianmellul@gmail.com> Subject: Statement from White House Military Office, Operations To Ian : Attached is your statement for food consumed on government aircraft. DO NOT REMIT! Your credit card will be charged within 3-5 business days.'
19:48 asciilifeform lel.
19:48 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Except for the part where someone is likely collecting aug_sep_oct16 in real time
19:48 asciilifeform see, and betcha the muppet won't get so much as a pay cut, much less sacked.
19:48 asciilifeform that's what i mean by 'they're unkillable'
19:48 BingoBoingo Likely get promoted to somewhere more boring
19:49 asciilifeform perhaps, one day, to president!
19:49 asciilifeform or neh, not vaginal enough
19:50 BingoBoingo That's like saying desk cactus is not metal enough for home defense. It has spikes and lives in very tossable clay pot.
19:51 asciilifeform 'About a week ago, House Republicans snuck an anti-LGBTQ measure into the National Defense Authorization Act. When Democrats fought back with an amendment to take out the discriminatory language, Republican leadership extended the voting time and flipped some of their members' votes to defeat it. Our democracy must be better than this.'
19:51 asciilifeform this has gotta be a parody.
19:52 BingoBoingo Nah, purely and formally Byzantine use of language.
19:52 asciilifeform '>>>>> Can we vet Sylvia Q Davis, she is a 6th grade math teacher at Picacho >>>>> Middle School to introduce the President.'
19:53 asciilifeform '>> Vetting has cleared Sylvia Davis. Let us know if there are any others >> that need to be vetted. '
19:55 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/22/drake-summer-sixteen-tour/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Drake: Summer Sixteen Tour
19:56 asciilifeform 'From: Marcus McClendon <mmcclendon@hfaadvance.com> Sent time: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:53:14 -0400 To: Ian Mellul <ianmellul@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Your DC motorcade driver | Tuesday Thanks Ian! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ian Mellul wrote: > > Joshua Francis Cote > DOB 08/03/1995 > SSN 032-78-2211 > US citizen, born in the US > MA Drivers license: S65036661 > Josh's cell phone: (781) 738-637
19:56 asciilifeform 4'
19:56 asciilifeform lel.
19:56 asciilifeform anyway whoever wants these ( mircea_popescu ? ) come an' wget'em while they're hot.
20:01 BingoBoingo https://i.redditmedia.com/yLEAGWpwJuYXhh4k1c06bhnBujqPNqWsut2zzEBe-Uk.png?w=708&s=2d43caaad50103c6a1fcf67f446f2974
20:03 BingoBoingo Remember when Buzzfat posted more than a thousand pictures of "white supremacist icon" Pepe in a single gallery? I don't but it dangled in the mines https://archive.is/0jQk2
20:08 asciilifeform 'From: Ian Mellul <Ianmellul@gmail.com> Sent time: Mon, 4 May 2015 03:44:15 -0400 To: Grant Verploeg <gverploeg@gwmail.gwu.edu> Subject: Ashwani When a Deputy White House Liaison reaches out to you, you respond.'
20:09 asciilifeform gold.
20:10 asciilifeform incidentally, these folks are allowed to use 'gmail' since when ?
20:10 asciilifeform since clitler ?
20:10 asciilifeform i dun recall this being a thing last decade.
20:11 asciilifeform 'Ian Jacob Mellul 5/24/1994 204748809 Born in U.S. Delray beach FL Male Ian Mellul Sent from my iPhone ' << our hero!111
20:14 shinohai lolz
20:22 asciilifeform http://dcleaks.com/index.php/pow_jul_aug16 << colin powell. even more boring, but at least not born in '94.
20:31 asciilifeform 'From: Jacqui Johnson <jjohnson@hillaryclinton.com> Sent time: Thu, 19 May 2016 11:39:10 -0400 To: Michael Stennis <mstennis@hillaryclinton.com>, Maia Johnson <mjohnson@hillaryclinton.com> Subject: Greet in Houston Hey Stennis, For the Houston event, there are four groups who will greet HRC. We’ll keep her in place, and bring the different groups to her. Names below. Is that okay? '
20:31 asciilifeform heil clitler.
20:33 asciilifeform paraded, like circus elephant.
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21:07 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/suf03/?raw=true << this has to be a parody.
21:07 asciilifeform ( from http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/carl-pistole/ . )
21:07 asciilifeform ftp!
21:15 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vcve2/?raw=true << for ukr connoisseurs.
~ 34 minutes ~
21:50 asciilifeform !!up thortron
21:50 deedbot thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
21:51 asciilifeform or hm, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487351
21:51 a111 Logged on 2016-06-22 18:36 thortron: Used to be gernika :)
21:51 thortron Yup. Anyway, my pcengines box has arrived. I will follow along with any experiments published here.
21:52 asciilifeform thortron: did you get the debugger also ?
21:52 thortron I cannot find it.
21:52 asciilifeform might want to ask trinque .
21:52 asciilifeform seems like he found a seller.
21:52 thortron also, I have the new one, with the intel nic, so - that sucks.
21:54 asciilifeform it looks like they still sell the classic one (apu1) though.
21:54 asciilifeform while they last.
21:54 asciilifeform at any rate the thing has 3 minipcie slots, can put in own nic if you like.
21:54 thortron trinque: were you able to get a sage?
22:00 trinque thortron: http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524 << linked from the gizmo 1's website
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22:01 trinque description only says "connector" but http://www.gizmosphere.org/products/gizmo-explorer-kit/ says it has the sage itself
22:01 trinque so I said fuckit and bought
22:01 trinque I can let you know tomorrow if it was actually in the box
22:02 thortron ah ok. thanks.
~ 16 minutes ~
22:19 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#757 << ~nobody cares.
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22:19 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [23:56:52] <asciilifeform> anyway whoever wants these ( mircea_popescu ? ) come an' wget'em while they're hot.
22:20 mircea_popescu wtf is a "deputy liaison" and etcetera already.
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22:20 shinohai Democracy at work.
22:21 mircea_popescu !!gettrust thortron
22:21 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
22:21 mircea_popescu !!key thortron
22:21 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/3a5d5/?raw=true
22:21 mircea_popescu !!up thortron
22:21 deedbot thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
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22:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547450 << i thought you wanted these folks for guillotine etc.
22:44 a111 Logged on 2016-09-23 02:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#757 << ~nobody cares.
22:44 scriba Logged on 2016-09-22: [23:56:52] <asciilifeform> anyway whoever wants these ( mircea_popescu ? ) come an' wget'em while they're hot.
22:44 asciilifeform otherwise ~useless find.
22:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547452 << i pawed through nearly whole pile of shit and was not able to say for certain what the answer is !
22:55 a111 Logged on 2016-09-23 02:20 mircea_popescu: wtf is a "deputy liaison" and etcetera already.
22:57 asciilifeform best as i could tell, he's one of 2-3 dudes in charge of vetting muppets for photo ops with clitler, by... ordering some monkey to check their names against Db of Badness.
22:57 asciilifeform and counts that there are enough chairs for the arses. or rather, orders monkey to count.
22:59 asciilifeform and apparently while working on degree, yes, in Imbecility Studies
22:59 asciilifeform or sumthing.
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23:47 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/island-occupied-by-us-forces-experiences-major-blackout/ << Qntra - Island Occupied By US Forces Experiences Major Blackout
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