#trilema | 2016-09-05

http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5164

~ 30 minutes ~

02:00

"Seriously, Jeremy—this segment of my race is not worthy of succor. I agree with the three passersby that refused to help them. Indeed, I applaud the thug for abiding by the instincts that God instilled in his savage breast!

02:01

"

02:01

cold as ice. and delicious as ice cream.

~ 31 minutes ~

02:33

in other hurrs: https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/578

~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~

03:43

shinohai: nah. every rave had lines of hot chicks in skimpy clothes with tons of beta males around. honestly if mircea_popescu was around he would have stolen some wives for the night.

~ 4 hours 24 minutes ~

08:07

;;later tell mircea_popescu need a quick word on the auction when you arrive today, thx!

08:07

gribble

The operation succeeded.

~ 39 minutes ~

08:47

https://archive.is/pXqvt << "Last week I received an email from a dear student with a serious case of writers block. Shes been writing a screenplay for the last four years, and her work is almost finished. To her despair, however, she recently discovered that her very project (idea, locale, plot, and timeframe, all) was made into a film about to be released next month. Im sure you can feel her frustration and disappo

08:47

intment, just as I did."

08:48

no, i fucking can't. pro tip : if your "idea" is made while you're working on it, this means you're a boring, banal schmuck. have better ideas.

08:48

imagine the sort of tedium these "creative" people come up with.

~ 2 hours 1 minutes ~

10:49

!~late

10:49

mircea_popescu: Error: "late" is not a valid command.

10:49

lol

10:49

!~later tell shinohai nice.

10:49

mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.

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!~ty

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You are very welcome Daddy

10:50

ok so dear all : replaced gribble with shinohai's own jhvh1 ; because it is always preferable to have person ion charge here present.

10:50

feel free to test and complain.

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you can still use gribble in pm if you prefer, i'm not kicking it.

10:50

The Bickening: Part Deux

10:50

!~bcstats

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!~help

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mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.

10:51

!~help sex

10:51

mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "sex".

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;)

10:51

nice.

10:51

!~list

10:51

mircea_popescu: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Bible, BitcoinData, Channel, Config, GPG, GPGExt, Google, Later, Listener, Market, MarketMonitor, MarketMonitorTicker, Misc, NickAuth, Owner, Seen, User, and Utilities

10:51

!~ticker --market all --currency rmb

10:51

that reminds me

10:51

you got search ? yes ?

10:51

BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4068.48, vol: 117798.04190000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4068.48

10:51

$rate scriba 3 An instance of a bot I wrote and manage. I trust it with log history, but if it becomes sentient and starts asking for money, do beware.

10:51

Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6c97fd43-421c-41a3-bf05-828dab10ff9c/

10:52

!~google pisi dot ar

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mircea_popescu: Pisi dot ar y otras temas. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2016/pisi-dot-ar-y-otras-temas/>; pisi o tar meye ke chodar golpo: <http://yials.gcylq.com/pisi-o-tar-meye-ke-chodar-golpo-183645.html>; koakjon mile masi pisi ke: <http://yials.gcylq.com/koakjon-mile-masi-pisi-ke-125203.html>

10:52

$v 60ABEF920DBF55ADD38D19C435A2BB51C6A7AD7313F209F23A85FA91AE103B7B

10:52

Framedragger rated scriba 3 << An instance of a bot I wrote and manage. I trust it with log history, but if it becomes sentient and starts asking for money, do beware.

10:52

!~translate micropenis

10:52

mircea_popescu: (translate <source language> [to] <target language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <source language> into <target language>.

10:52

!~translate EN to RU micropenis

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mircea_popescu: микропенис

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lel

10:52

this in particular should be useful.

10:53

http://qntra.net/2016/09/bankrupt-hanjin-desperately-fighting-to-prevent-seizure-of-ships/ << Qntra - Bankrupt Hanjin Desperately Fighting To Prevent Seizure Of Ships

10:53

!~translate RU to FR 'У меня пропали ракетные установки и лазеры. Даже те 4, которые вчера построил!!! Shocked Админ ИСПРАВЬТЕ ПОЖАЛУЙСТА...'

10:53

mircea_popescu: «Je suis allé lance-roquettes et lasers. 4 Même ceux qui ont construit hier !!! Shocked MEND Administrateur S'IL VOUS PLAÎT ... '

10:54

close enough.

10:54

For google haters, ddg search coming soon (tm) (r)

10:55

there was something else i had on gribble wish list but can'tfucking recall now wtf it was

10:55

!~bait

10:55

BingoBoingo: Error: "bait" is not a valid command.

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^

10:55

nah. do the porn by hand.

10:55

got to have lazerkittens too

10:55

!~roundhouse

10:55

And so I called the Roundhouse the Roundhouse

10:55

shinohai incidentally, if you want to expand, we're still looking for someone to do the btcalpha wot visualizers ever since mike_c disappeared.

10:56

ahahahah OMG

10:56

!~he was in heaven

10:56

mircea_popescu: Error: "he" is not a valid command.

10:56

!~heaven

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mircea_popescu: Error: "heaven" is not a valid command.

10:56

"He was in heaven and I was in hell!"

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!~heaven

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He was in heaven and I was in hell!

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win.

10:58

trinque plox to move deedbot to !! command whenever convenient.

11:02

shinohai alternatively, if you don't feel like gfxing - you can make this into its own V root. or else - you can do a logging extension to it.

11:02

or for that matter all three lol.

11:02

I had actually discussed with mod6 doing V-style wot viewer with ascii graphs

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bot could return simple .html file

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o hey. pretty cool idea.

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if svg weren't such bullshit this'd be pretty stupid. but as it is - i actually prefer it. but txt plox not html.

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works for me

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oh wait. no, dun work - can't traverse without links.

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nevermind. html.

11:05

mod6 guy that started as a tester a year ago is now qualified to the point of check him out huh!

11:09

ok mircea_popescu you ready for some lulz from theymos?

11:09

sure.

11:09

RE: "Sorry, I won't accept your ads. Due to this, I view Mircea Popescu as totally unethical."

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LOL

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so good for him, let him advertise derpy "kibo lotto" or w/e the fuck until he falls over.

11:10

https://archive.is/Xl8Ij << How Do Make Thermos?

11:10

"One father I heard from avoided the word fat at all costs, turning even the Very Hungry Caterpillar from a big fat insect to a great big one. Another parent said she left the word alone when it was used to describe an animal but would replace it when it was used about a person. Another specifically sought out books where fat was used descriptively and without judgment since she didnt want her child to think that the word

11:10

should carry negative connotations."

11:11

$gettrust theymos

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L1: 0, L2: -2 by 1 connections.

11:14

kinda lulzy how wrapped up in their own alt-world teh kids become. mexican whoever "doesn't discuss business" privately. you know, business. because he;'s a businessman. because he says so. meanwhile that hardworking kunicks kid made more money hauling ore by hand the past week than the mexican made dicking around with sites in his entire career.

11:14

Amazing how economies work.

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and amazing how much wilful effort it takes to insulate one from 'em.

11:23

$up Themakat

11:23

Themakat voiced for 30 minutes.

11:24

Nice brazzers article BingoBoingo

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bwahahahaha

11:25

wait wut ?

11:25

http://qntra.net/2016/09/brazzers-hacked-800000-user-records-leaked/

11:25

http://qntra.net/2016/09/brazzers-hacked-800000-user-records-leaked/ << Qntra - Brazzers Hacked, ~800,000 User Records Leaked

11:32

o lol

11:33

Following a hack on an online forum run by the pop-pornographers at Brazzers << win.

11:35

mircea_popescu: like so? !!up trinque

11:35

yeh

11:35

k

11:44

dam

11:44

Can anyone get me a Grandmaster Flash Pelle Pelle jacket?

11:48

$rate theymos -1 Thanks for wasting my time and sorry my submission didn't meet you rigorous criteria for scams http://archive.is/NoL2y

11:48

Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d792dd65-7406-48f2-9c5f-1828e3add50b/

11:50

$v 24C4B894077A8A358AD5377F6414613D778C9B6225A57B8ACBBDEF4DA2E72AE8

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shinohai rated theymos -1 << Thanks for wasting my time and sorry my submission didn't meet you rigorous criteria for scams http://archive.is/NoL2y

11:53

"Roger Verified theymos refuses to advertise Trilema ; tardstalk moderators have to take a 30% pay cut this month."

11:54

^

11:55

*

mircea_popescu suspects this is going to turn into one of those typically maqruardt things where "the auction fees go to pay moderators" if anyone asks, except you know. not really.

11:55

!!google test

11:55

trinque: Error: "!google" is not a valid command.

11:55

http://www.speedtest.net/ << Speedtest.net by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test | https://www.test.com/ << Platform to Create Organizational Testing and Certifications | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test << Test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

11:55

uhhh

11:55

shinohai what did you doo!

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one sec

11:56

alrighty, that's done.

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nice.

11:58

shinohai: Pls to submit explanation for to explain publically

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brb.

11:59

!!help

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http://deedbot.org/help.html

11:59

^ updated

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*

deedbot hands you a broomstick.

11:59

lolwat

11:59

^ hola ?

11:59

*

deedbot hands you a broomstick.

11:59

%hurr

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#hurr

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$hurr

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>durr

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>hurr

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!hurr

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!!hurr

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!~hurr

11:59

mircea_popescu: Error: "hurr" is not a valid command.

11:59

win.

11:59

I know what it is

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*

deedbot hands you a broomstick.

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one sec

12:01

<mircea_popescu> win. << Nah, should return "And I called the hurr the hurr" this way all eggogs are handled by "Artificial Elliot"

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brb

12:01

BingoBoingo wait, wait, you're going to feature me on qntra ? so that i get more traffic than via tardstalk, and for free ? instead of you know, distributing bitcoins in the luzerdom ?

12:01

THIS HAS BEEN THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME

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those sly, sly fuckers! oh how it stings!

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mircea_popescu: Well, if shinohai submits piece

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brb

12:02

hmmmm ....

12:02

where's that "you can't win" seinfeld scene

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See but if *you* write article BingoBoingo it won't appear I have bias

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIMmuMQozc

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I now test whether single character first words choke the bot.

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yay

12:03

!halp

12:03

!!google seinfeld you can't win

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http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheRevenge.htm << Seinfeld Scripts - The Revenge | http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/seinfeld-the-ryethe-caddy-61400 << “The Rye”/“The Caddy” · Seinfeld · TV Review Seinfeld: “The Rye ... | http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheStockTip.htm << Seinfeld Scripts - The Stock Tip

12:05

shinohai what exactly is your bias ? you're making money on this or something ?

12:07

"i met this asshole on irc and i'm biased because hey, totally, this is a thing, asshole-from-irc bias. you know, just like with relatives, except not."

12:09

Perhaps you are right, I was worried it may come out sounding biased.

12:09

*

shinohai signs up for remedial journalistic ethics class

12:09

entirely your call, but conceptually i dun see the basis for this bias.

12:11

mircea_popescu: do you have any trilema's about girls and daddy issues?

12:11

i mean, writing for qntra pays shares, but it's by length not by content ; you played auction agent on tardstalk for me for free, at least according to my papers. it's true that i asked you to, but then again it's also true submit box asked you to not exceed 5k chars or w/e. maybe you're biased in favour of it!

12:12

!~giggle girls and daddy issues

12:12

mircea_popescu: Error: "giggle" is not a valid command.

12:12

turns out not thestringpuller !

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Auction agent was for glory of the republic

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or greater lulz, as it turns out.

12:14

FTGG&LOTR. for the great glory & lulz of the republic.

12:20

could someone voice scriba temporarily please?

12:21

mircea_popescu: ^

12:21

$up scriba

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lol

12:21

!!up scriba

12:21

scriba voiced for 30 minutes.

12:21

does it need voice ? what does it do ?

12:21

testing http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:3/to:3#3 testing

12:21

scriba

[00:23:10] <BingoBoingo> Dd you spray first or cut first? Because if cut first you are doing it wrong.

12:21

excellent.

12:21

it cites log lines. needs to be polished. that's all i wanted to test for now.

12:22

i need to take it off because i want to finish reading the main bot's source - don't trust it yet. this will be completed real soon now. (tm)

12:22

np

12:22

!~heaven

12:22

mircea_popescu: Error: "heaven" is not a valid command.

12:22

:D

12:22

scam

12:23

*

Framedragger off for beer, back in rainy island. (btw visted edinburgh yesterday - botanic gardens etc - nice town, nice town...)

12:23

just don't be caught there in november.

12:23

hah! weather?

12:23

myeah, great suicide weather.

12:24

word..

12:24

right, ttyl.

12:25

[oh, and there's an off-by-one error in the bot - ahem. will fix]

12:26

Ok mircea_popescu I open the tardstalk message in firefox, and this is the reason theymos considers you "unethical" http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/

12:26

*

shinohai did not see this link before

12:27

o hey, the plot thickenz.

12:27

at some point sipa will fake his own death and collect the reward when he goes broke

12:27

honestly i was just going to add rotation, http://trilema.com/?r=tardstalk

12:28

maybe make a special one for the tits article, tho whatevs.

12:29

but anyway - so the guy doesn't like trilema. not a crime.

12:29

also not much of a qntra story.

12:35

Oh well, onward and upward

~ 1 hours 15 minutes ~

13:50

!~later tell jurov Can you check and see if I borked my latest order upon your return? thx

13:50

shinohai: The operation succeeded.

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^ neat

13:57

standby 5, doing some work on the paster

14:00

!!up

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Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/oiv1h/?raw=true

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!!v 20832135E6975F34517D5DE94717CBDA14E70D2868598A281A9ADC0942EFCC64

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You are now voiced in #trilema

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have at

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!!key ben_vulpes

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http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rtm34/?raw=true

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Nothing found at that URL.

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dns probably hasn't propagated to you

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my dns never propagates, remember ?

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ah

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216.151.13.77 then

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huh

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shinohai would you consider adding something like !~bash curl http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rtm34/?raw=true | cut -d " " -f 3- | head -c 712 ?

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with the understanding that whosoever fucks up the box gets fined for it.

14:05

Lemme look into that. shinohai fines can be worse than beheading tho.

14:05

limit it to l2, if they don't pay they get unl2'd at the very least.

14:11

danielpbarron

!~bible matthew 22:21

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danielpbarron: [KJV] Matthew 22:21 :: They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

14:14

I should've known, bot with the tetragrammaton as nick...

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lol, I thought danielpbarron would be offended when it first appeared.

14:17

shinohai: what you mean for evil danielpbarron uses for good

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I meant no evil though, just a church of subgenius reference to all-seeing jhvh1

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*

trinque made a bible joke, will now listen to metal to cleanse his soul

14:21

in other "harem fun and games", here's a little bit of sport : girl, naked, on her belly, on bed, such that her ass is more or less on the edge. you grab hold of her ankles. if you can't properly hold her ankles, grow better fingers / send the peasants back to farming and start over.

14:22

now so arranged : her job is to get out of the spot ; and you don't let her.

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see who gives out first. fucking afterwards optional.

~ 48 minutes ~

15:10

!!up GoldBoriska

15:10

GoldBoriska voiced for 30 minutes.

15:11

!~bible sjw 6:66

15:11

mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.

15:11

!~bible 6:66

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mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.

15:11

!~bible alex 6:66

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mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.

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!~bible candi 13:37

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mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.

15:12

i must be doing something wrong

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lol

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!~help bible

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mircea_popescu: (bible [--version akjv|asv|douayrheims|kjv|web|ylt] <passage>) -- Returns text from specified Bible transation matching search parameters. Ex: Job 3:14, Acts 3:17-4:2, Amos 7; Psa 119:4-16, Acts 15:1-5, 10, 15 By default, will consult KJV version. Use --version to utilize a different translation.

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!~bible KJV 13:37

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mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.

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!~bible KJV 6:66

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mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.

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fail.

15:13

!~bible Rev. 21:4

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shinohai: [KJV] Revelation 21:4 :: And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

15:13

hello

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hola

15:14

i have wrong when register rpg key

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do it here let's see

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why

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here

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so we can see what is going wrong.

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like this Import failed for A28D33C4DDC87533BA1A9EE53DDAB37948261874.

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it is not my key it is example

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possibly hasn't propagated yet. try again in half hour.

15:16

http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-two-boys/ << Trilema - The story of two boys

15:17

99% of time, they skip the part where you are supposed to upload key to server.

15:19

how much does mellow ads pay for one pageview

15:19

incidentally trinque since deedbot is keeping its own set anyway, can there be register pastebin_link as well ?

15:20

apparently 4 satoshi

15:22

certainly can

15:22

no need to force people to sks ; not like we're supporting the kochabomination

15:26

sorry but how much does mellow ads pay for one click

15:26

!~sks

15:26

Go back to sucking off Hanno Bock and leave me alone!

15:26

apparently 1k satoshi. not that any of this matters - from what i hear they went under. why do you ask GoldBoriska ?

15:27

i gonna make faucet site

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lord have mercy.

15:27

lel

15:28

i am thinking what are the best ads

15:29

you're wasting your time. do something useful.

15:29

i heard mellow ads is top best network

15:29

why waste

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because "online advertising" is a fucking stupid idea ?

15:32

Have you made an entire bitcent from these ads yet GoldBoriska ?

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i havent any ads

15:33

GoldBoriska do you have any tits ?

15:34

!~tits

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http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/

15:34

haha nice.

15:34

i have any pennis lol

15:35

figures.

15:35

wow fap time

15:37

!!key Pawkevic

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http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/61w8n/?raw=true

15:37

popescu sounds like on my native languge like a pennis lol

15:38

!~translate RO to RU popescu

15:38

mircea_popescu: Попеску

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пиписко

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jurov

mircea_popescu: pls to mpex

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presently.

15:59

openbsd plot bickens with the inclusion of llvm: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=147294297501630&w=2

16:10

is this good for gnucoin ?

16:12

<+mircea_popescu> mod6 guy that started as a tester a year ago is now qualified to the point of check him out huh! << yeah! pretty helpful over the last year to have a dedicated individual such as shinohai to help specifically test. and yeah! seems to be a handy bot mechanic.

16:12

one thing that's pretty nice, is that he seems to be readily available when I've got something to test

16:12

cool huh.

16:13

results within a day or so, which is very very helpful.

16:13

indeed, Sir.

16:13

o7 mod6

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:]

16:14

anybody have a real critique of llvm/clang aside "is more clearly written, has API for hooking in tools, and is therefore evil?"

16:15

i think alf has said a number of things about it in the logs.

16:15

I've seen all the threads.

16:17

alf would you be willing to write up a critque/review of llvm/clang in your blog -- something that rounds up the previously stated?

16:18

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485758 << this kind of thing.

16:18

Logged on 2016-06-20 18:35 asciilifeform: Framedragger: because it is a political instrument of the enemy.

16:18

and RMS is an ally? looks like a communist to me.

16:19

well, this, of course. comes from shitgnomes, et. al.

16:20

maybe i should have said "technical critque". anyway, he probably doesn't have the time. i'd hate to distract him from the one big project he's working.

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on

16:20

trinque i never used it.

16:20

maybe review should be left as an exercise for us all

16:21

seems technically excellent and the only criticism has been "apple made it" of which, nazis made this and that modern medicine, what

16:23

i think the whole discussion there was moreover political, in the sense of ecosystem struggles.

16:23

that seems more like a condemnation to me. they make a lot of things that "work". what of it?

16:23

fact remains, i couldn't trust it, any farther than I could throw it.

16:24

and you trust gcc?

16:24

tmsr will probably, eventually, have to write its own translater/compiler.

16:24

<+trinque> and you trust gcc? << lol. f no.

16:24

but better the devil you know...

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but you don't know it.

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no one does.

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aha.

16:25

it is undecidable which is better aside having read and understood both

16:25

well, "better". a comparator being defiend first would also help.

16:26

<+mircea_popescu> but you don't know it. <+mircea_popescu> no one does. << indeed, Sir.

16:26

it's just what we currently are shackled with. chains will be broken.

16:27

to ben_vulpes link, it does not diminish my regard for openbsd that it is moving towards llvm. considering solely the political aspect, they've previously used their own old (and maintained) fork of gcc.

16:28

not that I'm saying "i'm going to write a tmsr compiler this year."; however, seeing the need for this years ago, having one written by us that we can trust, is a worthwhile project. i've taken steps in this direction by doing some very much required reading on the subject.

16:28

So again, eventually.

16:28

I would not be surprised if they forked llvm if they ever needed.

16:32

possibru

16:33

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534601 << freebsd did same, and at the same time removed ~all~ entropy from rng. and distributed this crock of shit for year+.

16:33

Logged on 2016-09-05 20:27 trinque: to ben_vulpes link, it does not diminish my regard for openbsd that it is moving towards llvm. considering solely the political aspect, they've previously used their own old (and maintained) fork of gcc.

16:34

and it cost them their head, pretty much

16:34

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534586 << ~maintains~ it. for own ends.

16:34

Logged on 2016-09-05 20:21 trinque: seems technically excellent and the only criticism has been "apple made it" of which, nazis made this and that modern medicine, what

16:34

understand the difference.

16:34

idiot can injure himself with whatever he wants

16:34

this is not an argument

16:35

llvm is a work of evil and i will actively avoid any project that rests on it.

16:35

asciilifeform his idea is that any software is made of discrete software-states, and if he doesn't like something definite later on he just freezes and forks.

16:35

how does work rest on the compiler ?

16:36

asciilifeform: also not a damned argument! obviously I cannot reason about "work of evil"!

16:36

aha lel you're gonna freezes it with 0 support for non-x86/arm, and sans ada?

16:36

point isn't "llvm is good"

16:36

have fun

16:36

it is a work of evil, what.

16:37

I would go to church if I wanted to make decisions based on that kind of argument.

16:37

evil is not actually a theological category.

16:37

we had the thread.

16:37

work on llvm helps hitler more than it helps us.

16:37

i have 0 interest in using or improving facebook, either.

16:38

help africa, give them fb!

16:39

mircea_popescu: "drugs are bad mkay" form of argument I mean.

16:40

the last thread had a quite complete summary of the history.

16:40

asciilifeform: I could as easily say this whole "free software" thing ruined the industry and start from *there*

16:40

trinque: but that's idiotic.

16:41

it was, and remains, the only escape hatch from microshit.

16:41

it may very well have reduced the market price of building software to *below* what could sustain actual software companies

16:41

and in this, GNUshit is an ally of Microshit

16:42

trinque: the market value of programmer was doomed to zero.

16:42

long ago.

16:42

this much is not so.

16:42

would have happened sooner yet without microshit.

16:42

observe that even whores manage to extract > 0.

16:43

it never happened for it to reach 0 ; nor ever will.

16:43

software stays written.

16:43

and tits stay seen.

16:44

haha

16:44

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534602 << i am not convinced that this is possible.

16:44

Logged on 2016-09-05 20:28 mod6: not that I'm saying "i'm going to write a tmsr compiler this year."; however, seeing the need for this years ago, having one written by us that we can trust, is a worthwhile project. i've taken steps in this direction by doing some very much required reading on the subject.

16:45

c++ does not fit in head.

16:45

do you own a copy of the standard? obtain one and see.

16:45

the problem here (as well as above, with llvm) is that without the strongarm to kill sipa / force obedience from hardware vendors etc, you will never be able to make a compiler that works

16:45

for a definition of "works" you'd accept today

16:45

this also

16:45

which is how i interpreted your "freeze it ? pshaw!"

16:46

but i am speaking of fundamental problem with the language.

16:46

this also.

16:46

and so, the only remaining pill is ~age~

16:46

gcc is old.

16:46

hm.

16:46

but in this sense, merely writing c code is the sin ; compiling it in the nazi flavour of socialism or in the soviet flavour of socialism, llvm vs gcc, is sort-of like, what flowers to leave on the raped body, roses or tulips.

16:47

very much this.

16:48

This sort of leads us back to the original question: to Ada, or not to Ada.

16:48

or maybe lisp

16:48

or maybe who the fuck knows.

16:48

there is no lispm.

16:48

tgere is no adam either.

16:48

all else has c in the mix.

16:48

coupla forth-a-trons about

16:50

but the worst part about all this, and the true reason i'm inert on the topic, is this : the situation is evidently unhinged, and changing much faster than the sort of process which is involved in making a software stack, compiler kernel et all.

16:50

asciilifeform: lemme restate that the "stuckness by sheer mass, age, etc" of gcc brings to mind a giant's dead body that, before it decomposes, maybe serves as shelter or warmth

16:50

unhinged?

16:50

i agree mircea_popescu

16:50

even if i could spend a million engineer hours a second, brought from another galaxy, i would not commit them to making me a sane compiler+kernel by friday.

16:50

BECAUSE in another three years we'll have to redo it.

16:50

asciilifeform as in, unanchored.

16:51

mircea_popescu: without ability to make hardware, we have exercise in polishing brass on the titanic.

16:51

^

16:51

asciilifeform the thing here, which of course isn't visible from english, because anglopress is made by niggers and retards, and so forth :

16:52

i came to this conclusion years ago. the hard way.

16:52

chinese world infrastructure is in flux right now, and with humongo changes afoot

16:52

it's pretty impossible to make predictions of the scale required here.

16:52

mircea_popescu: i see 0 signs of demicroshitification in china.

16:52

it is as hidebound as ru in that respect.

16:53

'What, abandon warez?!'

16:53

how would you see anything in china ?

16:53

it leaks into ru sphere

16:53

to limited degree.

16:53

what the ru understand, leaks. what not, not.

16:54

there is also the fact that making wholly new arch , on new model of computation, is lunacy, of the precise kind that no respectable confucian would contemplate.

16:55

these are micro considerations.

16:55

maybe in another 500 yrs.

16:55

the macro problems is that it's not altogether clear which side of what will end up facing where.

16:55

well, they probably don't need a new model of computation.

16:55

they just need to stab "wintel"

16:55

mod6: they love wintel.

16:56

i very much doubt this is their long term strategy.

16:56

mod6 they actually have multiple discernible alt models. one we even discussed in logs, ifyou recall. alf, much in character, hated it etc.

16:56

it's just that little meaningful can be said about any of them. and im sure not a complete lsit.

16:56

mircea_popescu: the license-built arm?

16:56

mega-snore

16:56

ya. but alas, not a different computational model; just new hardware. non-usg shit.

16:56

right.

16:57

loongson is there if usg.intel fails

16:57

anyway. point being the situation's windy rather than calm.

16:57

not as fast yet, but who cares?

16:57

trinque: it is unobtainable. like elbrus.

16:57

is elbrus 'also there' ?

16:57

<+mircea_popescu> anyway. point being the situation's windy rather than calm. << agreed.

16:57

and both are straight cribs of western designs.

16:57

trinque the big state secret here, and the problem the chinese are spedning about five trillion over twenty years to solve is

16:58

that they want to pilot ten billion rockets in flight over their geosphere.

16:58

this is a project roughly of the style that created the us bomber command after ww2 victory.

16:58

i will point out that if their solution involves c machine, that's five wasted trillion.

16:58

china can't waste.

16:58

typical asian tunnel vision.

16:58

mircea_popescu: iirc you discussed this area denial strategy a year or two ago

16:59

trinque i discussed all sorts of things ; including "buy a boat" about a month before the world was "shocked" by a certain bankruptcy. not that anyone notices, to my eternal amusement.

16:59

lol

16:59

" Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later. " <<< perhaps theymos should reconsider taking you ad revenue in order to buy functioning servers.

17:00

again who the fuck needs a rustbucket that costs a dollar per metre to move??!

17:00

asciilifeform: god does not deduct points for cribbing, ftr. see: mongols

17:00

that thread too was "already had"

17:00

anyway. it's evident that the cray which the us used (ie, max centralization) doesn't work for this. arguably it didn't even work for the us, in 1950. it's vaguely clear that per-rocket chips as currently used (ie, max decentralization) also doesn't work - for obvious computational reasons.

17:00

trinque: crib the goods, crib the bugs and boobietraps.

17:00

whether they find a real root in between these or not is up in the air.

17:01

trinque: who cribs, has not ~understood~.

17:01

shinohai database not needed when one has "ethics".

17:01

ah, mircea_popescu, maybe i'm wrong then; in that sense of "models"

17:01

asciilifeform: I do not claim to know, but hesitate to say the major industrial powerhouse of earth lacks understanding of what it does.

17:01

it's usually a safe bet.

17:02

i can't think of one historical example where they did.

17:02

trinque: c machine is physically incompatible with understood software stack.

17:02

trinque: if you disagree, you are welcome to demonstrate to me how , e.g., openssl 5.2 produced the recently broken keys

17:03

or show me all of the overflows in linux kernel, and mathematically demonstrate that there are no others.

17:03

or bake him a pie.

17:03

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trinque invents the universe

17:04

at any rate i have entire www devoted to subj.

17:04

afaik the ~only~ such www

17:04

and if you have not read and understood every single page on it, you are unfit to even contemplate subj.

17:04

lol simmar down alfie.

17:04

I am not easily moved by feelings.

17:05

but apparently easily moved by crapple's free candy?

17:05

you know, some little girls actually enjoy the penis.

17:05

the claim that china cannot do anything involving what's currently understood as "computing" is not nearly the same one as "can create asciilifeform's personally designed diamondputer"

17:05

and the might of the asian anthill ?

17:07

GNU's political philosophy is exactly communism.

17:07

since we're bouncing everywhere at once.

17:08

trinque: their bureaucrats sit on winblows. just like in ru or usa. or were you thinking of 'meta-china' hidden beneath the sea somewhere..?

17:08

ahahaha so china cannot meta!

17:08

only nsa

17:09

lol ima go watch soutpark.

17:09

i have nfi, trinque , but 'read and understood the complete c stack' is a proposition on the scale of 'built undersea cities and no one noticed.'

17:09

nobody said this once.

17:09

speaking of which : one of their latest episodes was sheer genius. they completely deconstructed the sjw + advertising bullshit. and their conclusion ? you know what it was ? WE WILL HAVE TO DO A BETTER SJW!!!!

17:09

only "will not need usg for anything"

17:09

i fucking kid you not.

17:09

i nearly fell down

17:10

*

trinque will have to watch.

17:10

same

17:10

defo. must watch.

17:10

incredible example of "smarts don't help the castrated"

17:12

hmm, just returned into civilization. so before leaving for my vacation i replaced the bot with trinque's reconnecting version, i haven't touched the server since, so obviously reconnecting worked. for 29th specifically i see a flooding spike of bogus http request, which presumably saturated the digitalocean connection, because ping/pongs were still going through, until only pings were being sent, until bot would timed out. then it

17:12

attempted to connect for the duration of attack, which in turn timed out for the rest of the day. i'm not sure how i could've mitigated this attack, short of running bot and web on separate machines, with bot's ip hidden.

17:13

i'm sorry for failing, whoever put this nailgun in my bed, congratulations. there were no similar spikes in the past, and the attack happened precisely on the day i left for vacation, which was publicly known. given the swift and strong reaction i'm not quiet sure i'm even welcome on the channel anymore, which sucks.

17:14

after it went away for a while I did a wget -R on the www as a backup, hoping the www wouldn't also disappear.

17:15

that actually ended up bringing the bot back, then was bouncing on/off, so I slowed the crawl

17:15

*

asciilifeform welcomes phf back

17:17

*

shinohai waves to phf, hopes he enjoyed vacation.

17:17

trinque: i think that the timing is just overlapping, i'll have to grep for you wget's specifically, but the day is basically an endless stream of /log/2016-05-22&docid=nDn56WVkvV-86M&tbnid=wQqrCY5i08s2qM:&w=245&h=244&hl=en-US&source=sh/x/im and /log/?date=01-05-2014%27%20or%20(1,2)=(select*from(select%20name_const(CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114),1),name_const(CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114),1))a)%20--%20%27x%27=%27x

17:17

ah, someone's dicking you for sql injection

17:19

diana_coman

!!v 63BCBF85AEBECBA84E6539E0984DC1FF79BF6F51CF12651E1E5F88F15B95BCDE

17:19

diana_coman rated phf 2 << Only known fault so far is making public the day he leaves for vacations.

17:19

right, second one, don't know what first one is. maybe it's metasploit doing fuzzing? i took two representative examples though

17:20

diana_coman: thank you

17:22

!!rated phf

17:22

trinque rated phf 2 at 2016/02/09 09:32:36 << provided example CL code for next deedbot, made excellent v-patch viewer, intelligent fellow

17:24

ha, well, so far i've ensured that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1531824

17:24

Logged on 2016-08-30 13:49 mircea_popescu: the republican experience with lisp to date is very sorry indeed.

17:24

cmucl!1!

17:27

that is fair, but i'm not yet sure if it was cmucl networking stack not keeping up, or digitalocean being saturated. in either case it could've been brought down by increasing the number of attacking bots.

17:27

!!rate diana_coman 1 Eulora sorcery, I bow to your greatness.

17:27

Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/h80de/?raw=true

17:28

$v C02DB3894AE08B7AAC411C1DAFFFCCE7F1DAAFF63A113987B91C63E4AB87DB67

17:29

bah

17:29

!!v C02DB3894AE08B7AAC411C1DAFFFCCE7F1DAAFF63A113987B91C63E4AB87DB67

17:29

shinohai rated diana_coman 1 << Eulora sorcery, I bow to your greatness.

17:35

diana_coman

ha! welcome shinohai to the mess of planeshift legacy code

17:35

I won't lie, it has made me reach for the excederin already.

~ 3 hours 56 minutes ~

21:32

<shinohai> lol, I thought danielpbarron would be offended when it first appeared. << BingoBoingo is offended the Good Book is in, but the Big book is out... Perhaps add !~step and !~tradition

21:33

I still need to do that special help message

21:36

<ben_vulpes> openbsd plot bickens with the inclusion of llvm: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=147294297501630&w=2 << Supposedly they wanted it for a while to make Graphix wurk, but who knows anymore how far it will be taken now that it made the CD cut

~ 17 minutes ~

21:54

<mircea_popescu> but in this sense, merely writing c code is the sin ; compiling it in the nazi flavour of socialism or in the soviet flavour of socialism, llvm vs gcc, is sort-of like, what flowers to leave on the raped body, roses or tulips. << Kalanchoe!

~ 56 minutes ~

22:51

<Framedragger> it cites log lines. needs to be polished. that's all i wanted to test for now. << Excellent line to test. Many people got the order of the spraying and the cutting wrong to their loss.

22:58

phf: bot being diddled again?

23:00

is there a way to search the logs from one of these bot?

23:00

*bots

23:00

nevermind

~ 19 minutes ~

23:20

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/05/calais-residents-protest-jungle-refugee-camp-not-racist-problem-getting-worse << lorry drivers vs. the monkeys in al-paris : the grudge match continues.

23:21

hey wd shinohai! spiffy bottery.

23:25

bible and translate are welcome additions. never know when those might come in handy.

23:33

http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:45/to:45#45 << why wouldn't you still be welcome ? i dunno if i've been skimming the logs too lightly but i don't recall a part where mp said that having bots/services go down/be replaced meant out-and-out excommunication. afaik mike_c, for example, is still welcome.

23:40

that being said, a clearer explanation (if there is one) would make a solid trilema piece. there might not be a formula for this process in these early days of the republic, but i'm not one to underestimate mp's fertile mind.

23:51

danielpbarron

http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-19#681658 << related

23:51

Logged on 2014-05-19 09:35 mircea_popescu: in a world created of tailored punishment and precision strikes, the incentive is for the bullshit you see.

23:56

https://youtu.be/oaF_NwVbIgo?t=1h2m37s << also related if you're a 'criminal alien' stateside. watch out come november.

23:57