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00:00 trinque if we're making our complaints, slashes are not for separating parameters
00:00 trinque URLs already had that
00:01 ben_vulpes yeah, that's what my parens were about
00:03 ben_vulpes Framedragger: if you're really attached to the second-click-extend-highlight-range, consider updating the anchor in the url to use the bottom of the range
00:11 BingoBoingo Anchor to Anchor: The Log Story
~ 37 minutes ~
00:48 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1516249 << surely there's more to it than "l2 only", right?
00:48 a111 Logged on 2016-08-06 21:00 mircea_popescu: the major problem in poker isn't "fair dealing", it's debotting it. but i have a ready solution for this problem too, and im persuaded it's complete.
~ 33 minutes ~
01:22 BingoBoingo "Screen Shot 2016-08-30 at 8.29.25 PM
01:22 BingoBoingo Twenty percent of the respondents declined to pick either of the two leaders in the poll of 1,397 likely voters, which was concluded Aug .29. "
01:24 ben_vulpes i leave you with http://pasted.io/ : web 3.0 meets vaporwave 2.0
01:24 ben_vulpes hoooeee
01:38 mod6 <+hanbot> hey mod6 99994 test worked flawlessly for me tonight. also, my testbox seems healthy again, available for further whatevers. << hey! good deal, thanks for giving it a shot :]
~ 1 hours ~
02:39 trinque http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-eyes-special-declaration-to-take-charge-of-elections/article/2600592 << usg needs moar systemd!
~ 1 hours 38 minutes ~
04:18 mircea_popescu $key Robespierre_
04:21 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:89/to:89#89 << oh it did that ?! i had nfi lol, i just hacked urls.
04:22 mircea_popescu and what ~precisely~ do you mean with this "slashes are not for separating parameters" trinque ? like what, directories exist objectively ? no more trilema/year/name ?
04:23 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nothing to do with l2. i am a man of simple solutiona yes ; i am not a man of copy/pasting holy nonsense, no.
04:25 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:95/to:95#95 << i love that lone red rhombus best. he so perfectly typifies the insane idiocy of "venture capital" backed "entrepreneur" culture in silly cons valley.
04:26 mircea_popescu " Even before the FBI identified new cyber attacks on two separate state election boards, the Department of Homeland Security began considering declaring the election a "critical infrastructure," giving it the same control over security it has over Wall Street and and the electric power grid." << consider the preposterousness embedded in here. really bitch, you have control over wallstreet ?
04:31 mircea_popescu trinque why does deedbot take so darn long ?
~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~
05:45 Framedragger ben_vulpes: regarding the latter point, i'm not sure about the anchor pointing to the last line in the range. i considered it, but if i give someone a link to a chunk of lines, makes sense for them to start reading from the top, no? however, best is probably to have small jump buttons/links to be able to jump to beginning/end of range. <- so i'll do that.
05:48 Framedragger mircea_popescu: ah, yeah, you're supposed to click around, otherwise it surely is too tedious!
05:52 mircea_popescu i like it just fine actually.
05:53 mircea_popescu right click on start line and if i want to make it a range i just edit a value.
05:55 mircea_popescu more generally Framedragger , nevermind the swamp of little shepainting bullshit, little buttons or whatever. first get the line reading bot going ; and the search.
05:55 mircea_popescu shedpainting*
05:55 Framedragger (i suppose it's better than the new web nonsense where "awesome devbro javascript" retains some info that is not part of the actual url, so you can't change shit and depend on the shitty js interface for navigating around..)
05:56 Framedragger mircea_popescu: yep, those are priorities. mkay
05:58 mircea_popescu yes. the usg.web war on the url for the past decades has been nothing short of indicative. imbeciles are so butthurt about individual control, they can't fucking stand urls. gotta hide them! gotta destroy functionality! god fucking forbid the user is at some point in control of anything!
05:58 mircea_popescu "it'd be too confusing"
~ 18 minutes ~
06:16 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:95/to:95#95 << i'll leave you with the observation that of the two people i named to chair the bitcoin foundation years ago, one's been doing a lot of work and the other's been doing a lot of hurr. on the continuum between mod6 and pete_d you're ever sliding towards the end opposite to what i'd imagine you're aiming for, and at some point it'll become a matter of, "well, if he hasn't fi
06:16 mircea_popescu gured out what works and what doesn't in lo all these many years, he never is figuring it out."
~ 32 minutes ~
06:49 mircea_popescu $up holgerkpedersen
06:49 deedbot holgerkpedersen voiced for 30 minutes.
06:49 mircea_popescu right.
~ 15 minutes ~
07:05 shinohai gm mircea_popescu yes it seems there were 2 new Eulora ppl contacted me on bitcointalk overnight, but saw one made it here in logs.
07:06 mircea_popescu heya. the robespierre guy ?
07:09 shinohai There was a guy named ImHash and another using tardstalk handle `VladimirLenin`
07:09 shinohai The ImHash guy had the most atrocious spelling and grammar of any potential recruit I've met thus far.
07:11 mircea_popescu yeah, i think a lot of non-english speaking folk are reading that.
07:11 mircea_popescu $up mexxer
07:11 deedbot mexxer voiced for 30 minutes.
07:13 shinohai Takes all kinds.
07:13 shinohai I guess
07:13 mircea_popescu i guess.
07:13 mexxer Hola
07:13 mircea_popescu how goes mexxer
07:15 mexxer So following a post in bitcointalk.org and generated my GPG, How do I register it with IRC?"Sorry but I am a little new to this kind of things"
07:16 shinohai Windblowze or linux mexxer
07:16 mexxer Windblowze 1024 key
07:18 mircea_popescu uh.
07:18 shinohai ok, now just register key with deedbot by typing: $register <your gpg fingerprint>
07:18 shinohai well lol
07:18 mircea_popescu he prolly tried to paste it in.
07:19 shinohai $upo mexxer
07:19 shinohai $up mexxer
07:19 deedbot mexxer voiced for 30 minutes.
07:19 shinohai mexxer: ok, now just register key with deedbot by typing: $register <your gpg fingerprint>
07:21 mircea_popescu da fuck is he doing.
07:22 mircea_popescu $up VAodminnTer
07:22 deedbot VAodminnTer voiced for 30 minutes.
07:22 VAodminnTer Hi, Can I generate my PGP using this site? https://pgpkeygen.com/
07:22 mircea_popescu no.
07:22 VAodminnTer what program can I use?
07:22 mircea_popescu if you're on windows, there's gpg2me
07:23 VAodminnTer Thanks! will do
07:23 mircea_popescu it's free and all.
07:23 shinohai Logged 07:22 +VAodminnTer Hi, Can I generate my PGP using this site? https://pgpkeygen.com/ <<< foflmao
07:23 shinohai *roflmao
07:23 mircea_popescu the advantages of this approach. we find out things about the internets.
07:23 shinohai sorry. please ignore my morth and continue.
07:23 shinohai *mirth
~ 26 minutes ~
07:50 mircea_popescu $up sellbtctraderz
07:50 deedbot sellbtctraderz voiced for 30 minutes.
07:50 mircea_popescu $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b46591b3-2fe5-4f08-9c60-92d8b9bd89a6/?raw=true
07:50 mircea_popescu $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f0bcc036-283d-4d1b-95e3-0dce4d912104/?raw=true
07:50 deedbot accepted: 1
07:50 deedbot accepted: 1
07:51 mircea_popescu $key shinohai
07:51 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/958ef28a-f83e-4c32-b0cf-314b494093c2/
07:51 mircea_popescu trinque hmm, turns out it's not slow - just silent if no key found. can has an "not found" thing plox ?
07:51 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 that key is my correct one, I did switch pre-split from #b-a
07:51 gribble The operation succeeded.
~ 15 minutes ~
08:07 Framedragger shinohai: "you will have to go into the IRC channel #eulora on Freenode - use https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema" << did you mean https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/eulora ?
08:07 shinohai No
08:07 shinohai deedbot is *here*
08:08 Framedragger ah. well ok. i would get confused :p
08:08 shinohai lol
08:08 Framedragger prolly not worth them 0.01btc then :p
08:08 Framedragger "please sir
08:08 Framedragger  i am not understand for this share" good stuff
08:09 shinohai I guess it is for noobs ... I just get amusement from watching all this.
08:09 shinohai And the inevitable "imma be rich" Filipinos that answer.
08:11 Framedragger purhcasing power differential mothafucka
08:11 shinohai hahaha
08:12 Framedragger i suppose
08:12 Framedragger whoops wrong window, sorry for spam, i am not understand
~ 16 minutes ~
08:29 mircea_popescu it's a complicated problem. world is world, forum is forum. wut do ?
08:34 shinohai Maybe forum *is* the world heh?
08:35 mircea_popescu i dunno dude, a large part of what i like about #trilema is that it doesn't consist of above examples.
08:35 asciilifeform ^
08:36 shinohai lol
08:36 mircea_popescu it's just... kinda easy to forget just how many layers there are in "sexually unattractive" in practice.
08:37 * shinohai goes back and treads Trilema article on Rabbi teaching torah to the ewe.
08:45 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-427662.txt
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09:30 shinohai ;;bc,stats
09:30 gribble Current Blocks: 427670 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 1737 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
09:30 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
09:30 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 571.17, vol: 3892.35313070 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 576.101, vol: 6424.04856 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 575.4, vol: 2849.57571373 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 572.71, vol: 3938.57938954 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.171352, vol: 60891.86780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 575.9, vol: 493.16155842 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 574.32, vol: 1055.18472391 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 576.042606, vol: (1 more message)
09:35 diana_coman $key Robespierre_
09:42 BingoBoingo ;;more shinohai
09:42 gribble 394991.236 | Volume-weighted last average: 575.85613344
09:42 shinohai Gotta have tht OKCoin volume
09:43 asciilifeform https://ico.iconomi.net << hot! nyooo! ethertronic chumpatron: 'ICONOMI provides an opportunity for investors looking for high profits, not possible in the old economy. With newly developed financial instruments, ICONOMI will drive new investors and fresh capital into decentralised economy.'
09:43 asciilifeform 'Cutting edge security. No need to deal with complicated crypto-wallets or be afraid of losing your assets forever because you can’t find your private keys. We employ state-of-the-art security technology for you, with the storage of fiat and digital assets embedded into an Ethereum contract!'
09:44 shinohai `cutting-edge security` not seen in any other game of hot potato EVAH!
09:46 asciilifeform 'To me, coding languages are aesthetic works. I am fond of protocols. My free time consists of purposeless walks and golf.' -- Tjasa Tolj. MARKETING ASSISTANT
09:50 BingoBoingo He calls them "and golf"
09:51 asciilifeform he?
09:51 shinohai Is his life just one purposeless walk to? Or is there a plan?
09:51 shinohai *too
09:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Zhe?
09:53 asciilifeform i have nfi, but pictured item dun look like a dude
09:54 BingoBoingo Haven't looked, but why does it write like a cetain dude broken at conception?
10:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lel, apparently ol' kako knows some of these folks, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2016#1454709
~ 54 minutes ~
10:57 mod6 shinohai: ah, ok great. just wanted to make sure.
10:57 shinohai thx! ^.^
~ 22 minutes ~
11:19 diana_coman $key AllKindsOfBad
11:19 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d894c087-62f6-4d00-9c6b-7811430df415/
11:30 diana_coman $key Robespierre_
11:30 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7cf6f6e4-86b1-453c-9196-cb17700cb8f6/
~ 56 minutes ~
12:26 mircea_popescu nice.
~ 21 minutes ~
12:48 * asciilifeform lelling over ancient mircea_popescu piece, where 'Putin este ceva intre obraznic si periculos, si intre noi fie vorba o tinta excelenta pentru un micut si elegant asasinat politic executat de unul dintre cele cite mai sunt, douazeci de servicii secrete romanesti.'
12:49 mircea_popescu aha.
12:49 asciilifeform and hey, usg dos reads trilema, that was the year they tried to 'colourize' moscow
12:50 mircea_popescu everybody reads trilema, including the local tards. i can spot them, too, i go to a cafe or w/e, there's this dude in a corner being all weird in the specific manner.
12:50 asciilifeform (which, one might suppose, also counter-reads trilema and it bounced right off..)
12:50 asciilifeform l0l! what's this look like ?
12:51 mircea_popescu you know, "omg i'm not looking looking" thing
12:51 mod6 :D
12:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever chat'em up ?
12:52 mircea_popescu well actually maybe you don't know, wtf do i know. but anyway, there's a very peculiar thing people/kids do when the inconceivable happens ; like joe di maggio walks into dunkin donuts
12:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform occasionally, when tits bolted on.
12:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik typical cowman filters out 'inconceivable' stimuli. 'oh that's nuffin, that's a dude who ~looks like~ obummer'
12:53 asciilifeform 'rifle? what rifle, that was a balloon pop'
12:55 trinque mircea_popescu │ you know, "omg i'm not looking looking" thing << afraid to look directly into the trilema, eh?
12:55 trinque and yep, gonna add some response mesages to herr deedbot
12:56 mircea_popescu well, especially when i take my head off, place it on the table, and feed it icecream on the shorter path
12:56 * asciilifeform falls down
12:56 mircea_popescu :D
12:56 * asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu walking up to seekrit skvirrel and giving 'the stare', like felix dzerzhinsky supposedly did
12:57 mircea_popescu to quote, "oh no, i wouldn't do THAT. *pause* there MAY have been some instances... in THE PAST! but that's all ancient history now."
13:00 asciilifeform https://youtu.be/T9SeOrGni9s?t=31m00s << specifically the fictionalized zherzhinsky pictured here.
13:00 asciilifeform *dzerzhinsky
13:01 mircea_popescu zher zhinsky!
13:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yup, guy's got a pretty good stare going.
13:02 asciilifeform legendary.
13:07 mircea_popescu lol this "purposeless walks and golf" bit is pretty shiny. deliberate parody ?
13:07 asciilifeform was my thought. but, seeing the rest - probably as real as it gets.
13:08 mircea_popescu nuts.
13:09 mircea_popescu i think ima save this though. "purposeless walks and golf". nb.
13:19 asciilifeform 'As you might have noticed, I'm surrounded by guys, all of whom are enthusiastic about new technologies. They have managed to successfully transfer their excitement to me and have contaminated me with the same urge to discover the numerous possibilities that the crypto world has to offer.' << also great.
13:21 mircea_popescu such goldmine. "baby, just the tip!" applied to enthusiasms etc.
13:21 asciilifeform contaminated with urge !
13:21 mircea_popescu to courge. to contaminate with scourge oops i mean.
13:26 mircea_popescu btw, since i mentioned http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:36/to:36#36 : it is directly evident why it's such a big deal for elliot kid. leaving aside all the insane preposterous nonsense worthy of a tucker max / wolf of wallstreet / suicide kings production : there's one sex scene, in which this kid (totally whitebread, goes to school and does his homework 15yo with no tattoos) is kidnapped by a bunch of derps, and then
13:26 mircea_popescu some models who in practice hang out with them (this almost never happens, even in california) lure/force him into a pool. it's not exactly ~against~ his wishes ; it's irrespective of them, which is the point - males, esp young, esp virgin, are very fucking shy, and i dunno that this even exists, act of male devirgination which is not out and out "rape" by the female. certainly not at a sane age for it (such as 15).
13:26 mircea_popescu but once is not enough : once in the pool, they blindfold him, and then the one twu wuv girl lures him over by whispering "polo" long after he's stoped saying "marco", which, again, is the point.
13:26 mircea_popescu elliot is right in figuring that he'd have perhaps functioned normally, or at least had a better chance at it, in this sort of context.
13:27 mircea_popescu and yes the world is ~so~ cruel : the better have it easier, and the crappier have it harder. because the world is not interested, to any degree, in survival of the everyone.
13:27 mircea_popescu it aims for the survival of the fittest and him only.
13:27 asciilifeform brick would also fly 'better' attached to jet booster
13:27 asciilifeform but who will attach it, and why..?
13:27 mircea_popescu which is exactly brick's point.
13:28 mircea_popescu it IS unfair, and it is also deeply antiequalitarian that the better kid of their year get free jet engine ; while the crummier kids get ankle weights.
13:28 mircea_popescu it happens to be exactly how it works, too, but hey.
13:29 asciilifeform where's the 'better' though ?
13:29 mircea_popescu in this case, amusingly enough, it's blood ties.
13:29 asciilifeform fortune is by definition random, neh ?
13:29 mircea_popescu the kid in the pool was there because of his family relations.
13:29 mircea_popescu fortune is by definition random when playing the powerball : you'll get half your money on average.
13:30 mircea_popescu fortune is deeply not random when discussing girls. joe rapes rachel and as a result rachel is tankful and joe has a new slave. moe tries to talk to sarah and is forced to waste 30 hours doing "sensitivity training"
13:31 asciilifeform same fortune as in powerball, only diff is that the respective tickets were bought by joe and moe's parents
13:32 mircea_popescu ironically, from this perspective the decision to drive to arizona to play lottery is even judicious. better odds than trying to play the pool party, at any rate.
13:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is not so.
13:32 mircea_popescu if i believed my kids were going to be anything like me i'd even consider having some.
13:32 asciilifeform i did say 'same powerball'
13:33 asciilifeform rather than 'choose parents carefully'
13:33 mircea_popescu what do you mean, explicitly ?
13:33 asciilifeform well, joe is a hero, and moe is a zero, and this quite likely was apparent to a skilled eye when both just learned to walk, neh ?
13:33 mircea_popescu zeros are apparent.
13:34 mircea_popescu it's a field of "zero. likely zero. zero zero likely-meh. zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero "
13:34 mircea_popescu you know, actually a lot like how google go "brain" looks.
13:34 mircea_popescu large field of zeros.
13:37 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so you have confidence in your ability to shape slavegurl into whatever form you please, then why not chitlin ? surely starting earlier has its advantages
13:38 mircea_popescu i have no such confidence. some girls are extremely good at shaping themselves into an extremely sharp tool in the right sort of context ; and the result is by very far much sharper than anything ever produced naturally, or through alternative means.
13:39 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: iirc he doesn't lift random scum off the street to work on.
13:39 mircea_popescu nevertheless, it does not work for most women ; and i never tried nor would i be bothered to try on children.
13:40 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: sure, but nor is fleisch und blut 'random scum off the street'
13:40 asciilifeform ~=.
13:40 mircea_popescu why not ?
13:40 mircea_popescu i mean, i see the point to a certain degree, the street in practice DOES select, for the worst. but i think he just meant "crapshot" rather than proper, street scum.
13:41 * pete_dushenski sees that he's going to be defending biology now, it's so sure it's the wisest against two such opponents
13:41 mircea_popescu problem is biology has no intention of defending you. reversal to the mean is the controlling phenomenon there.
13:41 asciilifeform al 'uncle al' schwartz's father, for instance, was - iirc - a tailor, who never read a book cover to cover in his entire life.
13:42 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu has it.
13:42 mircea_popescu if we are to learn anything from the history of the 2nd millennium, is that marrying performance and lineage is suicidal. so fucking costly a stupidity, in fact, as to sink monarchy, ie, the most perfect form of social organisation possible.
13:42 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: granted, but sultan had whatever 200 pups, a couple were fit for higher life, so why not mp, sultan of tmsr ? too many castles needed to house them ?
13:43 mircea_popescu the model creates a very bloodthirsty litter.
13:43 pete_dushenski that'd be the point i imagine
13:43 mircea_popescu i'm not saying it is impossible. i'm just saying it's a pretty distant bridge.
13:43 mircea_popescu it would ?
13:44 pete_dushenski create tension, conflict, and competition in the brood, let winrar emerge therefrom
13:45 pete_dushenski have two kids ? god help the spoiled brats
13:45 mircea_popescu and who's gonna write the poems ? women only ? literature by females results in the collapse of the empire.
13:45 pete_dushenski i mean, look at me!
13:46 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: winrar can write poems just fine. samurai seemed to at any rate
13:48 mircea_popescu actually matching the japanese gender split of literary production and japanese political situation over time is bound to be shockingly instructive.
13:48 pete_dushenski besides, what's life without a little risk, a little 'crapshot' now and again.
13:48 pete_dushenski maybe child is crapshot too far, but it's a matter of degrees
13:49 mircea_popescu maybe.
13:49 asciilifeform 'hey come and play powerball with me, i haven't won yet but TOGETHER YES WE CAN!1111'
13:49 * pete_dushenski is prolly ex post rationalising, but how not.
13:50 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: less powerball and more poker world series
13:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not exactly powerball though.
13:51 asciilifeform closer to the, e.g., state of maryland powerless ball, sure.
13:51 mircea_popescu simple criterion : you can not guarantee you will never get the number 7. you can guarantee you will not have mulatto kid.
13:51 mircea_popescu (amusingly, the reverse is impossible : black people ever so often end up with entirely white kid, because slavery.)
13:52 asciilifeform modern americans seem to have caught up with the reverse.
13:53 mircea_popescu howdja mean ?
13:53 asciilifeform with horns, how else.
13:53 mircea_popescu huh ?
13:54 asciilifeform 'say hello to our new mulatto kid' horned husband: '...'
13:54 mircea_popescu oh lol
13:54 mircea_popescu not quite what i had in mind for a couple model here :p
13:55 asciilifeform at any rate, this is 'red herring.' nobody's insured against having kid who can't grasp recursion, or even do addition, etc.
13:55 asciilifeform or elliots.
13:55 mircea_popescu but you do have more control over the matter than over entropy source.
13:55 mircea_popescu so not exactly red herring.
13:55 asciilifeform the degree of control, so small as to rightfully count as 'homeopathic.'
13:56 mircea_popescu also there's a major problem with abstract criteria. i for instance don't grasp recursion.
13:56 asciilifeform somehow i knew that mircea_popescu could not resist pulling such rabbit out of his hat.
13:56 mircea_popescu tis true!
13:56 mircea_popescu recursion is hard, man.
13:57 asciilifeform lel this is the man who drew fractals by hand
13:57 mircea_popescu so ?
13:57 mircea_popescu THERE IS A LOT OF IT
13:57 asciilifeform (or did i dream about reading a trilema with this)
13:58 * asciilifeform does regularly read trilema in dreams, and wakes up and futilely searches for 'the one where he used piss as a lasing medium...' etc)
13:58 mircea_popescu i count self as perhaps middling student of recursion, as a soon to be 40yo. there's a lot to it, what do you want from me.
13:59 mircea_popescu lol asciilifeform you should prolly write those articles.
13:59 mircea_popescu i dream most of mine as it is.
13:59 asciilifeform eh it is different when you do things and then dream article about them, vs when you dream things and then dream article.
14:00 asciilifeform i prefer not to add cheap xerocopies of xerocopies to the world, enough of these as it is.
14:00 mircea_popescu the difference is in the dream!
14:01 asciilifeform though i did see a bizarre crackpot altcoin in dream last night
14:01 mircea_popescu anyway, this xerocopy argument, while at first convincing, readily recurses into a restatement of the children argument above ; but it is flawed because, as granma wittily observed, "cartile nu cer demincare" ; ie books need not be fed.
14:02 asciilifeform all i recall is that it had discrete (nondivisible!) coins, 1 per addr, and mined strictly by 'vanitying' the addrs into existence.
14:02 mircea_popescu iirc we discussed this in the logs. recall, the no-splittable coins ?
14:02 asciilifeform possibly?
14:02 mircea_popescu until the coinbase halves, you can only use 50 btc ; then 25 and 12.5 etc.
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14:03 * pete_dushenski recalls this thread, goes to dig
14:03 asciilifeform ah no, not this. just 'when you discover an addr, which is not easy to do, it comes with 1 coin. which you can then send by ....'
14:03 mircea_popescu was part of a larger discussion cca 2015ish of the problem of unboundness in bitcoin. even as it stands currently - you can end up with 2100000000000000 discrete items to keep track of ? really ?
14:04 * mircea_popescu is too lazy to dig up the trilema piece holding exact figure (no, it's not this, a little lower)
14:04 asciilifeform eh that's sorta like 'using gold means 10^50 atoms in sea water to keep track of'
14:04 mircea_popescu how you figure ?
14:05 asciilifeform coin that is fragged beyond a certain point, is ~lost.
14:05 mircea_popescu why ?
14:05 asciilifeform for the reason stated earlier.
14:05 mircea_popescu consider for a second here : the year is i nthe future, the world is numerous planets, a single satoshi is worth trillions in today's money. literally, enough to buy a larger town.
14:05 asciilifeform 'too many items, O(N)'
14:06 mircea_popescu most txn will be satoshi-sized then.
14:06 mircea_popescu and the cavallier "oh, we'll just introduce subdivisions" nonsense pushed by the prb folk utterly fails to consider the implications
14:06 mircea_popescu just as every other "expert" opinion they ever came up with to date.
14:08 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/ << lol i even levitan'd it
14:08 mircea_popescu o hey. it was 2015. nice find pete_dushenski
14:11 * pete_dushenski doesn't want to appear ~too~ useful, lest ben_vulpes become overly attracted to this end of the continuum
14:11 asciilifeform lel
14:11 mircea_popescu lol
14:11 asciilifeform poor ben_vulpes , iirc he never even had time to run the rng i gave him during c3
14:11 asciilifeform probably busy washing shit off light bulbs.
14:12 mircea_popescu no, today has been the day of giving nice fellows a hard time, let him suffer.
14:12 asciilifeform re suffer, aha, i've been reading motherfucking microshit docs all day.
14:13 asciilifeform for sins in past life.
14:13 mircea_popescu aaand i'll bbs
14:13 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: if only your father had died in kaunas parachuting like he was supposed to, you'd be free of such burdens. alas.
14:14 asciilifeform somethinglikethat
14:19 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu colour me thick, but i still dun get why 'oh noez there'll be 2100000000000000 potentially-movable satoshis.' everybody still gets to sit down in 1MB block. so tx-ing will be eventually like what launching satellite to orbit is today - had better be worth the cost. but will still work quite the same.
14:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:20 asciilifeform so today there's what, 10,001 derps per minute who 'just want to' but cannot, and aren't worth even a bullet.
14:21 asciilifeform and tomorrow there will be 10,000,001. what of this.
14:22 asciilifeform the ~actual~ terminal instability in the thing is that the folks who eat the cost of disk (nodes) are not the folks who get tx fees (miners).
14:22 asciilifeform ~this~ crack ~will~ eventually fissure.
14:23 asciilifeform long before any other 'too manies'.
14:23 asciilifeform but iirc mircea_popescu already has good piece re subj.
~ 1 hours 27 minutes ~
15:51 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/31/death-to-procurement-professionals/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Death to “Procurement Professionals”
15:51 * pete_dushenski to shop for new bathroom vanities
15:55 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Just shop for lumber and stone slabs. Teach the tot carpentry.
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16:01 BingoBoingo apparently whatever derp developed >bitaps.com chose the wrong PR strategy and their block explorer et al are now instaspam'd
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17:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform at the time part of the discussion was "making larger blocks".
17:10 mircea_popescu moreover, the important point is, "where are the true large edges of this item".
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17:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well yes.
17:40 asciilifeform and the disk cost thing is one leg of what old mircea_popescu article called, iirc, 'responsibility collapse triangle'
~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~
18:55 mircea_popescu anyway, not like the problem isn't both well understood and well solved.
18:55 mircea_popescu we eventually migrate to sane bitcoin and that's that.
18:56 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/once-darling-theranos-takes-a-beating-on-zika-test/ << Qntra - Once Darling Theranos Takes A Beating On Zika Test
19:00 mircea_popescu and in other monkey news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwy2nsFP5W1r7efkjo1_500.gif
~ 17 minutes ~
19:17 asciilifeform lel what's she wearing ?
19:17 asciilifeform does that thing have a name ?
19:20 mircea_popescu yeah, it's a garter belt.
19:21 shinohai It's a pearl necklace asciilifeform :D
19:21 mircea_popescu no that's when you ejaculate on her collarbone.
19:21 shinohai Just give her a few minutes ...
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19:51 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-the-negro-mate/ << Trilema - Introducing the Negro Mate
20:03 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
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20:07 trinque cheers mod6
~ 15 minutes ~
20:23 mod6 o7
20:24 shinohai o7 mod6 thanks! nice address this month as always!
~ 15 minutes ~
20:39 mod6 thanks for all the help, much appreciated. :]
20:47 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/qntra-s-qntr-august-2016-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2016 Report
~ 20 minutes ~
21:08 mircea_popescu oh and in early xmas greetings, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwdv1mSk791qf8vgko1_1280.jpg
21:21 BingoBoingo Blasphemy. Everyone knows Ded Moroz is African!
21:24 mircea_popescu oh right
~ 19 minutes ~
21:43 BingoBoingo https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1261229
21:58 mircea_popescu and in other white pride worldwide news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvr0puOihe1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
~ 48 minutes ~
22:47 trinque winner for least flattering ass grab of all time
22:48 mircea_popescu you only say that because you're butthurt :D
22:48 trinque pow, right in the supremacy!
22:48 mircea_popescu "that butt has hurt me retinas sir"
22:48 trinque lol
22:48 mircea_popescu dat*
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23:05 mircea_popescu and in other excessive opulence news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loa4f0dV5g1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
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23:05 mircea_popescu because nothing quite says prestigious luxury like a full option package where the leotard anti-matches the car paint.
~ 23 minutes ~
23:28 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/ma4yR
23:33 mircea_popescu ahahaha what
23:33 mircea_popescu who does this
23:40 BingoBoingo M'urican Fuck Yeah?
23:40 BingoBoingo OSHA IS going to have a shitfit over that shitfit.
23:43 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-august-2016-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), August 2016 Statement
23:49 BingoBoingo $up boolcrap
23:49 deedbot boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
23:50 BingoBoingo $t m s.mg
23:50 asciilifeform eh boolcrap .
23:50 boolcrap yo
23:50 boolcrap sup ladies
23:50 asciilifeform where's yer key
23:50 mircea_popescu where have all teh tickers gone...
23:51 mircea_popescu oh and in other "female ejaculation is real" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8nwexGWWo1qc61zuo1_500.gif
23:51 asciilifeform didja keep it in that watermelon boolcrap .
23:51 boolcrap it has been lost, along with the mans pride in america
23:51 boolcrap that explains why its gone, its in the groundhogs belly
23:52 asciilifeform boolcrap: make another, will ya
23:52 boolcrap i really have it i even plugged in the disk it was on
23:52 boolcrap hot plugged amazingly
23:53 boolcrap how is your slave job stas
23:54 asciilifeform boolcrap: i was windbg-ing and thought of you.
23:54 boolcrap oh
23:54 boolcrap wow
23:54 boolcrap i bet you never thought you would see the day
23:54 asciilifeform lel
23:54 boolcrap i figured you would be idaing for life
23:55 asciilifeform also i had a dream where i visited ye olde rupturefarm and all you lot were long gone and there were mexicans instead...
23:55 boolcrap lol
23:55 boolcrap haha
23:55 boolcrap that was a premonition.
23:55 boolcrap not a dream
23:55 asciilifeform also there was nazi party headquarter on 3rd floor.
23:55 boolcrap lol
23:55 boolcrap all working for mr I?
23:55 asciilifeform looked a bit like level1 of 'wolfenstein'.
23:56 asciilifeform nah he was mexican also.
23:56 boolcrap dam
23:56 boolcrap i often wondered if my grandfather would have liked to play wolfenstien
23:56 boolcrap the nazis were mexican?
23:57 asciilifeform i once met a fella who played 'call of duty: iraq' in actual iraq.
23:57 boolcrap they were dressed in hitler gear?
23:57 boolcrap yeah ive heard stories like that as well ;o. I'll never understand
23:57 boolcrap maybe he just really likes war,
23:57 boolcrap who am i to judge.
23:57 asciilifeform he was bored.
23:58 boolcrap not enough ppl to shoot?
23:59 asciilifeform technically none at all, in 'green zone'
23:59 trinque from what I've been told, Iraq was "patrol here and wait to be carbombed" for many
23:59 asciilifeform aha
23:59 asciilifeform though also 'drive there and wait to be road mined'
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