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00:47 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> termite colony in fact uniquely valuable model for us. << And if breeched is ripe for raping by ant colony.
00:55 BingoBoingo Ants vs termites is the oldest ongoing way. Termites soley buff on defensive stats while ants buff on offensive stats.
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01:26 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/there-may-be-lulz/ << Qntra - There May Be Lulz
01:26 BingoBoingo ty shinohai
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07:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521574 << the statement is exactly equivalent to observing that "keeping your mouth shut will prevent your saying of anything stupid". if that's your worldview, you're invited to follow your own advice.
07:27 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 19:41 asciilifeform: mats: mircea_popescu will drill you a new arse for this contention (though i still do not grasp why)
07:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo aha.
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07:44 mircea_popescu heh. aaand a trb node is at height 419220 for absolutely no reason ; 50+ connections, stable etc.
07:44 shinohai O.o
07:44 shinohai ;;blocks
07:44 gribble 425462
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08:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which node ?
08:58 shinohai Peace in our specified time BingoBoingo o/
09:09 mircea_popescu oh since i'm thinking about it : there's two specific items tmsr wants to bring to the field of probate reform : a) no juridical person beneficiary. no government, ngo, corporation, trust etc may obtain as much as a farthing from any succession. physical persons only. b) no tax or fee of any kind may be levied against succession.
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09:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this almost comes 'for phree' out of how bitcoin works - 'corporation' cannot hold a coin, even now, only an individual key holder.
09:21 asciilifeform which is part of the reason why enemy derps on and on with the 'multisig' nonsense
09:21 asciilifeform they feel, in their bones, that the 'individual keyholder' thing is a mega-problem, and it itches, itches.
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10:16 mircea_popescu aha.
10:16 mircea_popescu it is a mega problem
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10:44 asciilifeform in other definite non-news, who recalls http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-27#174617 ?
10:44 a111 Logged on 2013-07-27 16:08 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/culture/2013/7/26/4561176/barnaby-jack-hacker-atm-pacemaker-dies
10:44 asciilifeform .., http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-27#174618 http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-27#174619
10:44 a111 Logged on 2013-07-27 16:08 ozbot: Barnaby Jack, respected hacker of ATMs and medical devices, found dead in San Francisco | The Verge
10:44 a111 Logged on 2013-07-27 16:08 ThickAsThieves: "Jack had been due to speak at the 2013 Black Hat cyber security conference in Las Vegas next Thursday, August 1st. He was allegedly going to present a method of wirelessly hacking a pacemaker"
10:45 asciilifeform so now the octopus tendrils proclaim, that he died of dope, http://publicaddress.net/speaker/the-uncomfortable-silence
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10:45 asciilifeform but how much sense does 'For six months we were lucky. The autopsy report hadn't been finalised. Cause of death: unknown.' make ?
10:50 asciilifeform ( almost enough to make one ask, has usg wetwork arm now grown fond of gassified fentanyl, like ru fsb earlier ? )
11:03 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/SF-judge-to-decide-fate-of-Gurbaksh-Chahal-in-9139376.php
11:03 asciilifeform 'Multimillionaire tech mogul Gurbaksh Chahal — once one of San Francisco’s Internet entrepreneur darlings until he was convicted of domestic abuse and ousted from his own company — was sentenced to 12 months in County Jail Friday by a judge citing his pattern of violence against women.'
11:05 asciilifeform ^ whole turd worth reading, a very MODERN!11111 trial, complete with seeeeeeekrit evidence and absent accusers
11:06 asciilifeform copy >> https://archive.is/9HhFQ
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11:45 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu re d. duke probate case, moar lelz, https://capitalresearch.org/2016/04/on-tearing-down-doris-dukes-home
11:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:46 asciilifeform 'How do you honor your founder’s memory by tearing down her house?'
11:46 asciilifeform hey - they unzipped! why not also piss!
11:55 mircea_popescu heh.
11:56 mircea_popescu at least they're not "promoting the duke family history of individualism". all good.
12:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform note how one gets "ousted" from "his own" company. because it totally was... his own.
12:01 mircea_popescu basically, they stole his shit, transnistria style.
12:01 asciilifeform eh ceo != owner, could always be ousted.
12:02 asciilifeform (unless, in principle, also owner)
12:02 mircea_popescu they didn't say "the company he ceo'd". they said "his own company"
12:02 mircea_popescu words have meanings, even if the lizzards are blissfully fentanyl'd.
12:02 asciilifeform the phrase is often abused, perhaps it was 'his' as apple was steve jobs's.
12:02 asciilifeform when the latter was kicked.
12:02 mircea_popescu yeah, but i don't care. everything the usg says will be used against it in all the ways it can be used against it ; and will not be used for it in any way.
12:03 asciilifeform well i have nfi who formally owned the thing. if it was a public co, as i understand the board can throw out ceo if they decide that they don't like the shape of his nose.
12:03 mircea_popescu hey. the source says he did own it ; therefore the source says usg stole his shit.
12:05 mircea_popescu due process.
12:05 mircea_popescu "we take your words and apply our logic to them.|
12:06 asciilifeform sooo thing looks to be a private co., with ownership structure unpublished afaik.
12:06 asciilifeform the business model is... spam.
12:06 mircea_popescu aha.
12:06 mircea_popescu like... 100% of all vc "businesses".
12:07 asciilifeform and not only, but apparently infamous lolcow previously, e.g., https://archive.is/Y2xN8
12:07 asciilifeform i have nfi why this particular ant ended up sizzling under the magnifying glass.
12:08 asciilifeform there may not even be a particular reason. other than the fact that ~some~ ant had to pop.
12:09 mircea_popescu ho prolly was connected unbeknownst to him.
12:10 asciilifeform if yer 'connected', why not warn victim to bend over in advance.
12:10 asciilifeform or 'ho' were part of deliberate minefield constructed for fella to walk into.
12:11 mircea_popescu it's a natural trap that ; men don't take what women blather five minutes before being smacked too seriously ; women don't tend to land the bomb earlier than it's obvious they're getting smacked.
12:12 mircea_popescu the principal avenue for avoidable bodies is precisely this - guy scores chick above his station, she imagines it's obvious he'll share he imagines it's obvious he won't, then she scores guy above her station because being married to someone else is a significant bonus to high level guys ; then the husband gets uppity, gets warned too late, slaps her arround and then next week gets killed.
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12:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522044 << probably replacement will look like this..!
12:12 a111 Logged on 2016-08-15 19:10 phf: ben_vulpes: http://media.salon.com/2014/03/scott_rnc_ad.jpg
12:13 mircea_popescu between that on the upside and the dude i linked on the mean.
12:14 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03-oY2P0Bgc << moldavian version of the same predicament.
12:15 asciilifeform on black planet they have maxim, 'bros before hos', against this rot.
12:15 mircea_popescu nonsense.
12:15 asciilifeform (i have nfi whether, or how, it helps.)
12:15 mircea_popescu who the fuck is going to priviledge the lower gainst the higher, and the male against the female ? two strikes against him already.
12:16 asciilifeform dunno, folks who'd like to not butcher their friends ?
12:16 mircea_popescu but the friend is the woman here.
12:16 asciilifeform not, as i gather, in orcland, there the friend is the friend, and the woman - the livestock
12:18 asciilifeform even the godforsaken english have the 'bros' thing in their folklore
12:19 mircea_popescu that's loserdom, really.
12:19 asciilifeform (guinevere)
12:19 mircea_popescu think about it for a moment. you'll know a few hundred people. if you're the emperor most of them will be whores for the simple reason that whores know more people than i dunno, soldiers.
12:19 asciilifeform sooo, roxelana running the empire by pulling on her muppet's strings, this is 'winnerdom' ?
12:20 mircea_popescu you'll have to be careful to distinguish the butthurt of the losers from historical reality.
12:21 asciilifeform unfortunately i do not presently own a working chronoscope, so i'm stuck with the written record.
12:22 mircea_popescu myeah. especially problematic - the part where the successful arrangement doesn't actually get exposed.
12:22 asciilifeform will happily read the butttriumph of the winnerz, when such is available.
12:22 mircea_popescu it becomes obvious when inept derps practice it (see the clintons), but otherwise...
12:22 asciilifeform 'there are good spies, famous spies, but no good, famous...'
12:22 mircea_popescu you familiar with clinton's harem right ?
12:22 mircea_popescu not just wifey, also that "lesbian" what's her name etc.
12:22 asciilifeform superficially
12:23 mircea_popescu alexander's empire existed in no small part because of the various whores, including his mother. caesar very much idem - and marc anthony failed to inherit it.
12:23 mircea_popescu hitler ? need i name hitler ? the fucking point of fuhrerprinzip was "every woman in germany is a whore."
12:24 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522409 << "high level guys" see adultery as a "bonus" ??
12:24 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 16:12 mircea_popescu: the principal avenue for avoidable bodies is precisely this - guy scores chick above his station, she imagines it's obvious he'll share he imagines it's obvious he won't, then she scores guy above her station because being married to someone else is a significant bonus to high level guys ; then the husband gets uppity, gets warned too late, slaps her arround and then next week gets killed.
12:25 mircea_popescu danielpbarron yes. if she's not married, and wants to have kids, some sort of arrangement will have to be made. this has a cost. if she is ALREADY made the fix is already in. this is a value.
12:25 * danielpbarron barfs
12:25 mircea_popescu $up fiddlerwoaroof
12:25 deedbot fiddlerwoaroof voiced for 30 minutes.
12:26 mircea_popescu $up thortron
12:26 deedbot thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
12:26 mircea_popescu you know the joke with "tell me the truth, is he really mine" danielpbarron ?
12:26 danielpbarron nope
12:27 mircea_popescu patriarch lies dying - something like big daddy in the tennessee williams play. he started with nothing, just the rickety box of his bum father, and now has ten thousand acres of the most fertile land this side of the river nile.
12:27 mircea_popescu and he has seven sons. six of which - big, strong, beautiful men. the seventh - well, a repugnant hunchback, like that "marketing director" version of mircea popescu.
12:28 mircea_popescu so he waves them out, to be with his wife of lo these many years, and, taken by a stray thought, he asks her
12:28 mircea_popescu "ida, tell me the truth. that last one - is he mine ?"
12:28 mircea_popescu "yes, darling. that one is yours."
12:28 danielpbarron heh
12:30 danielpbarron at least in the line i quoted, it ends with the husband getting killed. It's better for a man to die than for him to live with his wife taken by another. (2 Samuel 11)
12:30 mircea_popescu moral being that at some point you will have to decide what you want the woman to do. she'll execute your priorities, if she's any good, but they must be clear in your head first of all. so : do you want strong boys to work your farm, or don't you ?
12:31 danielpbarron i would want my wife to not commit adultery; that's more important than whatever benefits might arise from such an act
12:32 asciilifeform 'magic lamp problem'
12:32 asciilifeform rub,rub lamp, 'genie, get my son out of that burning house'
12:32 asciilifeform pause...,
12:32 asciilifeform gas main blows, son is flying 50 metres vertically
12:32 mircea_popescu danielpbarron this is your choice to make. but be aware that there's a perfectly valid interpretation of that joke where the dying man is actually proud of the competent ho on his side.
12:32 mircea_popescu "did you want to try farming with 7 hunchbacks ?"
12:33 danielpbarron and people are proud of the murders they do, I'm sure.
12:33 mircea_popescu an assassin'd better be.
12:33 danielpbarron (forgetting for a moment that pride in ~anything~ is already wicked)
12:33 mircea_popescu for THIS reason, mind.
12:33 mircea_popescu no oher.
12:34 mircea_popescu pride is, in this manner, for this reason, by this avenue, the spark of lucifer, ie, the genius. he who would make.
12:35 mircea_popescu people generally like to think faust is a story about someone else. just like they pretend italian cinema is about, you know, that place in europe, and they're ruled by hollywood nonsense. as if that's how things fucking work now.
12:45 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> like... 100% of all vc "businesses". << Not quite. There's this entire sector of especially spammy companies headed by Preets and based on various forms of click fraud to drive revenue.
12:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't, unfortunately, as if the 'hollywood nonsense' were harmlessly decorative. there are countless cases of, e.g., police AND arrestee both, acting out 'hollywood script' from their heads...
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13:25 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
13:25 gribble Current Blocks: 425491 | Current Difficulty: 2.1737548275723764E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 427391 | Next Difficulty In: 1900 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 47 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
13:26 trinque asciilifeform: this is american life by now, but it's acting out "that pic I saw on instagram"
13:26 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: you mean blog spam?
13:26 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Not exactly
13:26 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you've been watching too much Beavis and Butthead!
13:27 BingoBoingo More the "make money online" farms where they gather saps to collect fiat penny shavings for interacting with ads.
13:27 thestringpuller dat mechanical turk money tho
13:28 thestringpuller i think it was asciilifeform who showed me the chinese app rating farms
13:29 trinque thestringpuller: boy, stop hhhwhackin in my trailer!
13:29 asciilifeform thestringpuller: can't say i've ever seen it..
13:40 thestringpuller asciilifeform: in beaivs in butthead there are several situations when they act out hollywood. they don't die tho cause cartoons.
13:40 thestringpuller like the episode were beavis runs head first as fast as possible into a brick wall thinking he'll bust through
13:40 thestringpuller cuz kool-aid man
13:41 trinque beavis in butthead sounds like fanfic to me.
13:41 * asciilifeform not burning with desire to watch this.
13:48 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/network-difficult-hits-new-high-in-third-post-halving-adjustment/ << Qntra - Network Difficult Hits New High In Third Post Halving Adjustment
13:48 thestringpuller trinque: wow i can't type today. good thing i'm not qntraing today
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14:05 asciilifeform https://xorcatt.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/equationgroup-tool-leak-extrabacon-demo << some fella tested one of the cisco payloads. appears to work.
14:06 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/5GxlW )
14:06 asciilifeform (wish they'd quit using kaspersky's idiot euphemism for usg)
14:08 asciilifeform meanwhile, völkischer beobachter: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-github-removed-links-to-alleged-nsa-data : '“Per our Terms of Service (section A8), we do not allow the auction or sale of stolen property on GitHub. As such, we have removed the repository in question,” Kate Guarente, from Github's communications team, told Motherboard in a statement.'
14:08 asciilifeform didja know, usg gets to claim copyrasty on its malware ?
14:09 asciilifeform if you and i write virii, and try to file copyright claim against antivirus co, or against victim, judge will die of laughter
14:09 asciilifeform but nsa - apparently not.
14:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ?
14:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll wait a couple hours and prolly give it the Roundup Xtend treatment. Lotta little lulz around this.
14:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522470 << sure.
14:18 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 16:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't, unfortunately, as if the 'hollywood nonsense' were harmlessly decorative. there are countless cases of, e.g., police AND arrestee both, acting out 'hollywood script' from their heads...
14:19 mircea_popescu " Good morning sir, Can you please see attached, was at the machine shop this morning and he said this has not been paid as of yet. This is really overdue, the machine shop jumps on anything I bring over, does quality work and gets me back the work quickly. Please, anything you can do to expedite this would be greatly appreciated." << speaking of spam. if anyone wants the enclosed JAR lemme know.
14:20 asciilifeform lol jar?!
14:20 asciilifeform turdroid infector.
14:22 mircea_popescu seems like a parallel world, of middle eastern aziz's dwelling in immitation cubicals, running java machines on their "engineering" desktops...
14:23 mircea_popescu the sort of social relations implicit in that text are so fucking NUTS already...
14:23 asciilifeform payload is for a pnoje.
14:23 asciilifeform and yes.
14:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yhou can root iphone with a jar now ?
14:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not i
14:23 asciilifeform pnoje
14:23 asciilifeform but the other one
14:24 asciilifeform the one where they exactly re-created the winblowz ecosystem without ever involving microshit
14:24 mircea_popescu uh. like what, samsung something or the other ?
14:24 asciilifeform complete with 'mother, why is yer phone so slooooow'
14:24 asciilifeform the whole android shebang.
14:24 mircea_popescu turns out microstupid is a way of life.
14:24 asciilifeform and they've standardized enough that it is worth taking the time to write 1 infector.
14:25 mircea_popescu they actually run a java machine on an android-os phone ?
14:25 PeterL android sucks. is there a better alternative?
14:25 asciilifeform PeterL: depends what you ask for 'better'.
14:25 PeterL sucks less, but is not crapple?
14:25 asciilifeform 'sitting on this razor-studded road cone sucks, is there better alternative ?'
14:25 asciilifeform 'here's a cone without razors'
14:25 asciilifeform 'no, i wanted not crapple'
14:26 mircea_popescu PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512335
14:26 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 19:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512301 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502116 seriously.
14:26 mircea_popescu that didn't work so well.
14:26 asciilifeform lel this never recursed
14:27 mircea_popescu anyway - the official tmsr mobile phone seems to currently be samsung e1200.
14:27 mircea_popescu unless you were asking for a desktop, in which case make your own.
14:27 PeterL that is not smartphone
14:27 mircea_popescu there is no such thing as "smartphone". just dumbuyer.
14:27 mircea_popescu there is phone ; there is computer. which did you want ?
14:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wouldn't i make a great soviet shop keeper ?
14:28 asciilifeform sure would.
14:28 asciilifeform 'fish is what they dun have over there!'
14:28 asciilifeform 'now bugger off.'
14:28 mircea_popescu mno. "cardildo is not a thing. did you want a car or a dildo."
14:29 asciilifeform i'ma guess PeterL wants a gadget you can read l0gz on in the train, etc.
14:29 PeterL it is convienient to have phone/texting/camera/music streaming/log reading all on one device in a pocket
14:29 mircea_popescu it is also convenient to have a cardildo.
14:29 mircea_popescu the only problem is the sort of woman that you end up with, if you own one.
14:30 asciilifeform what sort is that ?
14:30 mircea_popescu well... big enough to fit the car dildo.
14:31 * mircea_popescu pictures woman flying around with tip of boeing in her snatch, "YES! YES! HARDER!" for a visual.
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14:33 asciilifeform in some respects it is the beloved desktop that is 'cardildo'
14:33 asciilifeform i.e. something which COULD easily be made small and - when detached from the 10kg keyboard - reasonably portable , being instead gigantic and stationary.
14:34 mircea_popescu if detached from your head you'd also be a lot more portable.
14:34 asciilifeform well - the head
14:34 mircea_popescu what did you think the computer's head is ? the monitor ? the cpu ?
14:34 mircea_popescu it's the fucking keyboard. that little wire running from kbd to ps/2 port, that's its spine.
14:34 mircea_popescu has no other.
14:35 * asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu riding with desktop comp in palanquin, six slaves at the handrails
14:35 mircea_popescu what the computer does without a keyboard is digestion, not thinking.
14:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what, like baal in d2 ?
14:35 asciilifeform 1 gurl to carry trailing mains cord
14:35 PeterL you can have a computer without a keyboard (gets instructions from network or other devices), a keyboard without the computer connected does not do much thinking
14:36 mircea_popescu PeterL similarly to a detached head, yes.
14:38 mircea_popescu and ftr, my principal objection to laptops is that they aren't... WIDE enough.
14:38 mircea_popescu if someone came up with the sane idea of making a 1m x 30cm laptop, whence the screen unfolds and turns 90 degrees, i'd probably consider that item au par with a desktop.
14:39 asciilifeform i thought mircea_popescu insisted on ability to swap boards, etc.
14:39 mircea_popescu there's nothing intrinsically unswappable in a laptop. just, manufacturers elect to be idiots.
14:39 PeterL you want your screen 3 times as tall as it is wide?
14:39 mircea_popescu yes.
14:40 asciilifeform PeterL: mine is.
14:40 mircea_popescu 3.3 actually.
14:40 mircea_popescu and i wouldn't complain if it only ran in 80 x 640 cga mode, for that matter.
14:40 asciilifeform it is actually the ~correct~ way of making computer screen.
14:40 PeterL hmm, I go the other way, two wide aspect monitors side by side
14:41 asciilifeform this was known ages ago, e.g., http://core0.staticworld.net/images/idge/imported/article/ctw/2010/09/20/parc_alto_338-100395532-orig.jpg
14:41 mircea_popescu PeterL what do you do with them ?
14:41 PeterL typically I have several programs open side by side, one or two pwr monitor
14:41 PeterL *per
14:42 mircea_popescu so it's really entirely arbitrary, for all you know you use tall displays.
14:42 mircea_popescu naggum's 3 ring binder thing
14:42 asciilifeform ( http://toastytech.com/guis/salto.html << see also. )
14:42 PeterL what 3 ring binder thing?
14:42 mircea_popescu $s "less clutter"
14:42 a111 5 results for "\"less clutter\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22less%20clutter%22
14:43 asciilifeform PeterL: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lcd.jpg
14:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429394
14:43 a111 Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
14:43 mircea_popescu check out the crazy quotes. damn.
14:44 phf most right monitor is definitely full screen porn
14:44 PeterL I like to have several things open and easily be able to switch between then by turning head
14:45 mircea_popescu he has a point in that horiz scanning is better in humans than vertical. so if indeed he does something like a stoick trader, 3x2 2x1 etc.
14:46 asciilifeform which is why i have 4xvertical
14:46 asciilifeform but when eye focuses on particular document, is is vertical, as it should be !
14:46 mircea_popescu in old news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f3a930d71480cbce1f5d3cddf2e094c3/tumblr_milrroXn1j1rsnf49o1_500.gif
14:46 PeterL or jumping back and forth between chemical drawing program and spreadsheet
14:47 phf i actually have hard time reading documents when they start all the way at the tall top, but i think that might be from now harmful habit of laptoping
14:48 asciilifeform phf: when the thing is tall enough, it becomes necessary to intelligently adjust the chair/table.
14:48 mircea_popescu PeterL i dunno man, when i did the closest equiv to that, ie, swapping between building project and calculations, i kept the sheets one under the other, not one next to the other.
14:49 phf asciilifeform: proper ergonomics is a novel thing for me, as documented in logs
14:49 mircea_popescu phf not to mention banking.
14:49 mircea_popescu but we understand, orcdom is orcdom
14:49 mircea_popescu :D
14:49 asciilifeform phf: i personally like the resting eye level to be approx. 2/3 of the way to the top of the tallest lcd.
14:49 asciilifeform but that's just me.
14:50 PeterL think of this: if you have two pieces of paper, writing on one and checking data from the other, do you put them side by side or put on on top of the other and have to keep lifting it to read the other?
14:51 * phf goes full tommy devito, "you motherfucker"
14:54 mircea_popescu i put the one i'm reading on top, and the one i note on the bottom
14:55 mircea_popescu in another life, /me got a lot of mileage out of an old painter's table for this purpose, checking civil engineering designs.
14:55 mircea_popescu phf lol!
14:55 mircea_popescu do you mean joe pesci in the "get your shoeshine kit" scene in casino ?
14:57 mircea_popescu ah nm, it was goodfellas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pQ6fd6iO_c
14:59 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/36273b7d7a.jpg << see also.
14:59 mircea_popescu is that a spent dildo next to him ?
14:59 asciilifeform spent?!
15:01 asciilifeform ( i suppose, in the olden days, when a power dildo was a glass tube with bee swarm sealed in, it could be 'spend' when most of the bees are dead .... but this dun look like a beetronic dildo.)
15:02 mircea_popescu every dick's eventually spent, you can make it of whatever you want, metal, glass, dun matter.
15:02 asciilifeform 'water grinds stone' sense ?
15:02 asciilifeform i can picture.
15:02 mircea_popescu neway. i was jus' bein' a little stylistical.
15:04 phf joe pesci in "how the fuck am i funny" scene, but the shoeshine kit works too
15:04 mircea_popescu "tommy devito" eh ?
15:05 phf that's his character!
15:06 mircea_popescu so it is, so it is.
15:06 phf "bing, what are you still doing here, i thought i told you to go fuck your mother?"
15:07 mircea_popescu which reminds me of perhaps the best cartoon episode ever made.
15:10 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3vvu7bFD2Y&t=709
~ 32 minutes ~
15:42 phf i was curious how thye going to make it G
15:50 jurov https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/8/15/445 "Fake Linus Torvalds' Key Found in the Wild, No More Short-IDs."
15:50 asciilifeform jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521810
15:50 a111 Logged on 2016-08-15 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521780 << these take at worst a ~week of (a very modest) cpu, to generate.
15:51 asciilifeform this idiocy, of course, is smoke, being spread to distract from the fact that generating LONG fp collision is now reasonably inexpensive.
15:52 asciilifeform sks, lulzily, continues to insist on displaying the short fp.
15:53 asciilifeform which is where we get the mirrored keys on phuctor.
15:55 phf i suspect that phuctor work has increased attention to gpg both on wrecker and on attacker side. no way that short-id collision would've been a thing without phuctor
15:57 asciilifeform phf: recall the faux peter anvin key ?
15:57 asciilifeform (one of the first phuctor finds)
15:57 asciilifeform it's been a thing, for eons.
15:57 asciilifeform just not, for some reason, publicly discussed.
15:58 asciilifeform (even now, observe the pains to which the supposed 'luminaries', e.g., the kernel folk, go, to avoid mentioning phuctor)
15:59 asciilifeform because It Never Happened! And If It Did, We Had It First! And Better! And Hanno Boeck! And Who Were Those Terrorists Again?
~ 38 minutes ~
16:37 mircea_popescu yeah this entire "id of rsa key" thing needs a fix. i imagine sha512 of tmsr standard is the only way to go.
16:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: with a hash that long, you may as well simply display the modulus.
16:38 asciilifeform 'key id' is a heavy burden to put on a poor old hash.
16:38 asciilifeform ( we dun even know whether hashes work !! )
16:38 mircea_popescu problem is you want a modulus-comment association no ?
16:39 mircea_popescu buy yes, base-56'd modulus is an obv alternative.
16:40 mircea_popescu actually, why the fuck are we even using "base 56", which is braindamaged (no 1 AND no l ? really ?) when we should really be using base-120 or somesuch, ascii-high-byte half.
16:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you mean 58 ?
16:41 asciilifeform (who and where is using base56 ??)
16:41 mircea_popescu $google base56
16:41 deedbot https://www.facebook.com/base56gym/ << BASE 56 GYM | Facebook | http://rossduggan.ie/blog/codetry/base-56-integer-encoding-in-php/ << Base-56 Integer Encoding in PHP | Ross Duggan | http://thebaseyouthcentre.co.uk/about-us/base56/ << Base 56 | The Base Youth Centre
16:42 asciilifeform bitcoin used base68 for addrs.
16:42 asciilifeform pgp - base64 for armourgrams.
16:42 asciilifeform 56 - i have nfi, who ever used, for what.
16:42 mircea_popescu ascii 36 through 126 inclusive (91 elements). much better.
16:43 mircea_popescu perhaps excepting one of 96, 39. make it 90.
16:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ideally tmsr rsa, such as for eulora etc, uses a fp and armored base90 as above. so there!
16:44 asciilifeform which 90 ?
16:44 mircea_popescu ascii 36 through 126 inclusive excepting #96
16:45 mircea_popescu ie `
16:45 asciilifeform why forsaken 33-35 ?
16:46 asciilifeform and what did 96 ever do to mircea_popescu
16:46 mircea_popescu hm.
16:46 mircea_popescu ascii 32! through 126 inclusive excepting #96
16:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's fucking small and looks like '
16:46 asciilifeform lel, not to a lisp programmer!1111
16:46 mircea_popescu yawell.
16:47 BingoBoingo Fuck it, encode with Baudot!
16:47 asciilifeform y'know, if yer gonna have keyboard-typable format for keys,
16:47 asciilifeform why not go the next step and have human-readable key.
16:47 asciilifeform with the moduli, in, yes, hex
16:47 asciilifeform the structure - as sexpr.
16:48 asciilifeform why have the blob code/decode gymnastics at all.
16:48 mircea_popescu because hex takes 2 characters per byte ; whereas this would take ~1.232 characters/byte
16:49 asciilifeform and we will go broke over telegraph time, sending a few moar bits ?
16:49 mircea_popescu 62% more bits.
16:49 mircea_popescu and let it be hand-usable.
16:49 mircea_popescu also, let it look exactly like passwords.
16:51 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1eUa
16:51 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:51 asciilifeform the reason i favour sexpr is that 'magic format fields' are retarded.
16:51 asciilifeform i.e. the whole fucking rfc4880/2440 business.
16:51 mircea_popescu that's not really related is it ? all i'm discussing is a) fingerprint and b) armorer format.
16:51 asciilifeform well ~having~ an 'armourer format' implies the whole bag of shit.
16:52 asciilifeform where book-length turd specifies how the bigint bits must be stored, etc.
16:53 asciilifeform btw if somebody wants to gzip the sexpr and base-whatever it, nobody keeps him.
16:53 asciilifeform 'saving bits' belongs at ~that~ layer, not in the crypto format.
16:54 mircea_popescu and for the record, base-tmsr=` !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_abcdefghijklmnopqrstuVWXYZ{|}~`
16:54 asciilifeform there we go.
16:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, what ? implies ?
16:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suppose it doesn't, does it.
16:55 mircea_popescu i dunno, im trying to follow your idea here ?
16:56 asciilifeform idea is that a fully uncompressed, dearmoured, etc. key will be a sexpr.
16:56 mircea_popescu neways, 95 characters. 95^1.2177 = 256.02008. 2/1.2177 = 1.642440667.
16:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i see no problem with this.
16:56 mircea_popescu beats it being a csv line.
16:57 mircea_popescu the one remaining cowlick is, should fingerprint cover the whole e, N, comment ?
16:58 asciilifeform the e and the N. (in the case of rsa.)
16:58 mircea_popescu i am in favour of includingthe comment. for the following two reasons :
16:58 asciilifeform selfsig, on other hand, covers whole thing.
16:58 mircea_popescu a) it becomes no longer obvious for enemy whether key is or is not = key he wants to look for.
16:58 mircea_popescu b) i do not regard a modulus with a new comment pasted in as "same".
16:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no selfsig.
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16:59 asciilifeform having folks 'die and reborn' because they switched email hosts is braindamaged.
16:59 mircea_popescu wait, what ?
16:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no selfsig in a hand-keyed item is suicidal.
16:59 asciilifeform how will you detect rot ?
17:00 mircea_popescu if your process can't detect rot, you can't use rsa.
17:00 mircea_popescu how da fuck did you get the key ?
17:00 asciilifeform i keyed it in from a napkin, say.
17:00 mircea_popescu and you ask the owner "is this right"
17:00 asciilifeform and he asks 'which this'
17:01 mircea_popescu you can't have his key.
17:01 mircea_popescu if owner asks "which this" you are not sufficiently connected so as for you to has his key.
17:01 asciilifeform who, then, can ?
17:01 mircea_popescu sane people!
17:01 asciilifeform who trade keys using what ?
17:01 mircea_popescu anything they know works.
17:01 asciilifeform magical cable that transmits 0 error ?
17:02 mircea_popescu no cable.
17:02 mircea_popescu keys spread in wetware, not mechanically.
17:02 asciilifeform and modularly-exponentiated also in wetware ?
17:02 mircea_popescu no.
17:02 mircea_popescu machine processes ; people spread/administer. that's rsa key lifecycle.
17:03 asciilifeform realize that when it is moved from place to place via whatever mechanism, it will rot.
17:03 asciilifeform even talmud had checksums.
17:03 asciilifeform srsly we're talking 1500+ y.o. tech.
17:03 mircea_popescu it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
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17:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why should it care ? keep it so it doesn't rot.
17:04 asciilifeform this doesn't exist in our universe.
17:04 mircea_popescu anyway, fp is "checksum" de facto - if your modulus rotted it will no longer match the fingerprint
17:04 asciilifeform issue remains with the first time you encounter a modulus/fp set.
17:05 mircea_popescu the first time you encounter them you're in the presence of their owner.
17:05 mircea_popescu much like dali certifies all copies ; he certifies yours.
17:05 mircea_popescu talmud also had this.
17:06 asciilifeform the 'fp as authenticator' only works if you, as mircea_popescu suggested, hash over the id string.
17:06 mircea_popescu yes.
17:07 mircea_popescu i want it to work this way though. if you take away my comment from my key and add something about how "miss piggy is the hawtest!!1" it's not, in my view, the same item.
17:07 mircea_popescu though material encrypted to it will still only be readable by me.
17:07 asciilifeform well selfsig prevented this.
17:07 mircea_popescu but we don't want selfsig, for many reasons.
17:07 asciilifeform for my edification, can haz some ?
17:07 asciilifeform reasons.
17:09 mircea_popescu sure. some classes : as it's unnecessary in the discussed scheme, it 1) adds weaknes through requiring unneeded computation ; 2) gives crevice for shitgnomery for no reason (see anvin bs) ; 3) possibly creates weakness through unnecessary computation on key generation
17:10 mircea_popescu as it's not acctually correctly designed it 1) creates false sense of security ; 2) creates unnecessary byzantinism and "can't pop the hood on this"
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17:10 asciilifeform well, the way it is done in gpg (rsa sig of sha1) is indeed retarded
17:10 asciilifeform but so is all pgp signature, in nearly same way.
17:11 asciilifeform (yes you can swap out sha1 for 512 in own sigs, but what if i want to sign ACTUAL datum, not hash?)
17:11 mircea_popescu 3) as it's theoretically nonsensical, it feeds a bunch of idiotic yet unconscious expectations in the mind of the user. i am well convinced that the general "i'll pull myself by own breeches" attitude of "creative" people is both due to and resulting in the gpg selfsig
17:11 asciilifeform waiwat?!
17:11 mircea_popescu what the fuck is a "self sig" ?
17:12 mircea_popescu the one thing you can't do is - SELF SIG.
17:12 mircea_popescu find someone to sign for you.
17:12 asciilifeform in gpg it is rsa sig of all the bits in the turd other than itself.
17:12 asciilifeform (sha1 thereof, rather.)
17:12 mircea_popescu so ?
17:12 mircea_popescu a key can't certify itself.
17:14 asciilifeform it is a checksum.
17:14 mircea_popescu a.key.can.not.certify.itself. never. not ever.
17:14 mircea_popescu the fact that it appears to breeds idiocy in the youth.
17:14 mircea_popescu the fact that the youth is imbecile crates such designs
17:14 asciilifeform if selfsig did not exist, we would have considerably less clue re where 'mirrorolade' came from.
17:14 mircea_popescu and so on and infinitum.
17:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we'd also care a lot less.
17:14 mircea_popescu and we currently DO NOT have any fucking clue anyway.
17:15 asciilifeform well smart money bets that it isn't keygen-side (or it would have valid new sigs.)
17:15 mircea_popescu this is the problem with socialist solutions : they cap the benefit certainly ; and offer some solution that half works. so you've traded the long tail of the future for the guarantee of current failure.
17:15 phf selfsig seems like a side effect of meta information on key, which should be handled by "separate bits signed by key" anyway
17:15 mircea_popescu phf what meta ? the comment ?
17:15 asciilifeform phf: i have no dispute re packaging the sig separately.
17:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you agree to package it separately, add to that "no automated signing of anything" and you've got my position.
17:16 asciilifeform but it do NOT see the win from letting any arbitrary bit of binary garbage pass itself off as a valid rsa key + userid set.
17:16 phf mircea_popescu: oh bunch of random shit, first name last name comment date generated random DOS era flags. all the stuff that's been brought up before
17:16 mircea_popescu why not ?
17:16 mircea_popescu phf they COULD just have made that "Comment" in some serialization and did the fp over it like i propose and been scott free.
17:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i quite agree. if mircea_popescu wants to distribute his own key without selfsig in the sexpr, he is welcome to.
17:17 mircea_popescu but no, ustard gotta ustard all over himself.
17:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the "selfsig" comes in the form of "i obtained this key of mp from verified channel to mp".that's the sig.
17:17 mircea_popescu it doesn't come from "this item assures me it is this item"
17:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if phrased this way, it sounds quite laughable. but this was never the point of selfsig
17:18 asciilifeform rather, it was a kind of strong checksum.
17:18 asciilifeform 'this item assures me that it has such-and-such structure.'
17:18 mircea_popescu mno. it is idiocy.
17:18 phf well, primes stand on their own, then there's clientside mapping mp -> sexp of primes. anything else can be distributed by any other channel, including "with key", signed by the primes.
17:18 mircea_popescu as they say, "save this sort of idea for when your father gives you your part of heavenly kingdom"
17:19 mircea_popescu phf the only problem is that i want the comment to also be in there.
17:19 mircea_popescu also, N is not a prime.
17:19 phf mircea_popescu: comment needs to be separately signed?
17:19 mircea_popescu and so on.
17:19 mircea_popescu not signed at all.
17:20 asciilifeform sooo if mircea_popescu gets a new userid (say he throws out his polimedia domain because dns is run by hitler) i have to compare the mods manually ?
17:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not manually ; but you will get a notification from me saying "please use 54kh6kl54j3l45 instead of ,mn54,35lkjh4l3 from now on. it's the same modulus".
17:20 phf asciilifeform: wouldn't there just be a process to work with primes primes directly?
17:20 mircea_popescu and you can check that it is, but only BECAUSE you are you and have them both.
17:20 mircea_popescu otherwise, you can check jack.
17:21 mircea_popescu and importantly, to continue this discussion asciilifeform , enemy can not reconstruct fp on the basis of intercepting your comms to me.
17:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what would enemy win if he ~could~ reconstruct the one element he cannot derive from the ciphertext, the userid string ?
17:23 asciilifeform (recall, it is quite simple to generate the public modulus from it)
17:23 mircea_popescu no idea.
17:23 mircea_popescu but i'm not giving one single inch.
17:24 asciilifeform the one nitpick is that you cannot sign with an fp.
17:24 asciilifeform you sign with the pubmod and e.
17:24 mircea_popescu sure.
17:24 mircea_popescu the above was re encryption.
17:24 mircea_popescu signature is a different (ie, public-facing) usecase.
17:26 mircea_popescu not that you couldn't overload it horribly ("if this statement is signed by lkfjl5k shoot obama ; if it is signed by 3k4j5lkj54 shoot trump"signed) means what ?
17:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you take an inch from enemy, but give him many more:
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17:28 mircea_popescu incidentally, cast iron pots make best corn poppers omg.
17:28 asciilifeform he is now free to distribute 10,001 mutated copies of mircea_popescu's key, with user id 'mp@really-mp-bunker.com' and chumps, who were never properly introduced to mp in meatspace, will send mail to this addr, where it will be transparently forwarded to mp with new headers.
17:29 mircea_popescu he is currently free to do that already.
17:29 asciilifeform not with classical gpg format
17:29 mircea_popescu sure.
17:29 asciilifeform if i substitute mp@nsa.gov for the polimedia.us, selfsig barfs.
17:29 mircea_popescu lol. hence all the stuff on phuctor.
17:30 asciilifeform aha. nearly all of it is predicated on broken pgptrons that don't check sigs.
17:30 mircea_popescu the "noob can't think" argument can be used by me too, you know.
17:30 mircea_popescu you don't have monopoly on it.
17:30 mircea_popescu but we're not here to serve the consumer. we're here to make things right.
17:30 asciilifeform well mircea_popescu can specify 'i dun care what happens to the 10,001' idiots
17:30 mircea_popescu which is exactly what i specify.
17:30 asciilifeform we aren't here to serve the idiots. but why help the meat grinder feed ?
17:31 mircea_popescu we do that across the board. help it feed hurts it.
17:31 mircea_popescu helping*
17:31 asciilifeform in this case what is the use of phuctor ?
17:31 asciilifeform consider, not 1 of the popped keys belongs to a 'human' in the sense of somebody we know via wot.
17:31 mircea_popescu this is an argument no different from "oh but mp, why http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ it will just increase the "activity levels" on site". i'm sure it will.
17:32 trinque asciilifeform: that wasn't known before it ran though.
17:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd rather detach the "waht use is phuctor" from current discussion.
17:32 asciilifeform it is a question i get asked quite often.
17:32 mircea_popescu moreover, asciilifeform , the design doesn't PREVENT me from signing my own fp and publishing the fp - e,N,c set so signed.
17:32 asciilifeform 'who are these people and wtf do you care what happens to them.'
17:33 mircea_popescu it just doesn't implement a braindamaged half-sorta-thing
17:33 mircea_popescu that's MANDATORY for all cases etc.
17:33 asciilifeform i've favoured a maximally-configurable design for quite some time.
17:33 asciilifeform including, recall, even ability to specify a new crypto algo in the key itself.
17:33 mircea_popescu so then. i dunno anything cleanner than this, myself.
17:33 asciilifeform fair'nuff.
17:34 mircea_popescu yeah, been thinking about that. my current idea on the topic being - that it's stupid to do THAT, because the key is subnode not overnode of algo.
17:34 mircea_popescu if you want a diff algo make a diff key.
17:34 asciilifeform problem is that key handling mechanisms tend to get baked in.
17:34 mircea_popescu and i would propose this as an example of the pernicious effects of category 3 of bad stuff selfsig did. it made people think "key" is "identity". when in fact it's algo->key.
17:35 mircea_popescu there is that.
17:35 asciilifeform (recall how sha1 ended up perma-fixed in pgp.)
17:35 mircea_popescu yes, but i suspect we solve all that through not including idiocy in the spec.
17:35 asciilifeform incidentally usg is so mortally afraid of reconfigurable crypto that it is SPECIFICALLY banned in the export ban list.
17:35 mircea_popescu should we tomorrow move to cs crypto, there'd be no reason to "upgrade" "extant" rsa keys.
17:36 mircea_popescu just make new keys, why carry along the twin headed eagle of austria.
17:36 mircea_popescu heh.
17:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i had two arguments. one is that it dramatically simplifies the design of the cryptotron. (essentially becomes a mildly scriptable bignum calculator.)
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17:36 asciilifeform another is specificity-of-diddling.
17:36 mircea_popescu now asciilifeform if cs were well specified and well understood from usage ; i wouldn't be against making "key" ambiguous as to which of rsa, cs it is.
17:36 mircea_popescu but this isn't current situation.
17:37 mircea_popescu and i fear instead of simplify it'll byzantinize it.
17:37 asciilifeform e.g., if mircea_popescu wants to use a hash algo of his own design, with ben_vulpes's pgptron, he can.
17:37 asciilifeform or if he wants to use sha512 on thursdays and keccak on tuesdays, also can.
17:37 mircea_popescu at the cost of what, carrying the implementation i nthe key ?
17:37 asciilifeform it isn't so big.
17:37 mircea_popescu kills hand-typing
17:37 asciilifeform nah
17:38 mircea_popescu i'd like to leave this matter open for further thinking.
17:38 mircea_popescu not exactly bad arguments.
17:38 asciilifeform i suppose i ought to dust off an' publish the 'p' demo.
17:38 asciilifeform as mircea_popescu can probably tell, i really loathe publishing half-cooked items.
17:39 mircea_popescu there's a time for that. some spaces really could do without a lot of cruft.
17:40 mircea_popescu nevertheless - we're fortunate, in that the job for eulora is for rsa only.
17:40 mircea_popescu should provide some decent basis for later improvement
17:40 asciilifeform speaking of this, where did we leave off there
17:40 asciilifeform bitrate ?
17:41 mircea_popescu yes, benchmarks
17:41 asciilifeform aha!
17:43 * asciilifeform will have usable measurements, packaged with code which produced them, by end of month.
17:43 asciilifeform incidentally what is eulora built with ?
17:43 mircea_popescu gcc ? or what do you mean ?
17:44 asciilifeform which gcc.
17:44 asciilifeform (and is always gcc ?)
17:44 mircea_popescu uh.
17:44 mircea_popescu well no, jurov compiles the client for windows with something ; iirc llvm also worked.
17:44 mircea_popescu ggc 4.x something.
17:45 asciilifeform aite.
17:45 mircea_popescu visual c confirmed also lol.
17:46 asciilifeform this is not fatal, but will need certain provisions.
17:47 mircea_popescu aha.
18:01 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/16/cn-sms-mitm/ << because deedbot fell asleep on the lookout tower, a capital offence!
18:01 shinohai lol
18:05 pete_dushenski ^contained therein is a translation project for readers of 'traditional' chinese script. my connex seem to think it's gibberish, but 'moar eyez halp' (tm) (r)
18:06 BingoBoingo Wait what feifdom does pete_dushenski hold to decide offenses, much less capital ones?
18:08 pete_dushenski i am but a resident as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521208
18:08 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 14:32 mircea_popescu: "resident ; show income of one bitcoin ; or holdings of twenty bitcoin ; may vote"
18:09 BingoBoingo Well, then you gotta petition the peerage.
18:09 pete_dushenski but that falling asleep at one's lookout post is punishable by death has been sop from day one in most every culture worth the mention. even canada.
18:10 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i dun think you get to shoot deedbot until replacement shows up.
18:10 asciilifeform sorta how we're still using gpg.
18:10 BingoBoingo But is deedbot RSS reading a lookout post or is it a town crier?
18:10 pete_dushenski i was joking! jeez!!11
18:10 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/08/github-enforces-usg-nsa-copyright-and-other-lols-roundup-xtendd/
18:10 asciilifeform this is the other 'every culture worth mention' bit.
18:11 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: good chunk of folk went through entire ww2 with a suspended death sentence, because there was elementarily no replacement for them.
18:11 pete_dushenski ww2, sure. ww1 less so.
18:12 trinque y'know, I publish to date the simplest ball of code ever to IRC-bot and all you people want me to do is polish some w3c dumbshit's standard
18:12 * trinque begins to drink
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18:12 asciilifeform trinque: just pete_dushenski .
18:13 asciilifeform drink - at him, strictly.
18:13 trinque ahaha
18:13 pete_dushenski omgerd...
18:13 pete_dushenski lol
18:13 * trinque drinks at pete_dushenski... intensely!
18:13 pete_dushenski make it cognac eh
18:13 trinque cheers
18:15 pete_dushenski trinque: ftr, i appreciate your contributions. goodness knows you save me the effort of manually dropping contravex links in here myself. plus authing! and searching! /me would be up shitcreek sans paddle w/o deedbot.
18:15 trinque ah I'm just giving shit
18:15 pete_dushenski plus, it's not deedbot's fault that rss is weird.
18:19 pete_dushenski http://www.wsj.com/article_email/a-gift-for-music-lovers-who-have-it-all-a-personal-utility-pole-1471189463-lMyQjAxMTE2MzE4NjExMjY1Wj << in other 'that's it i'm making my own' news
18:20 pete_dushenski 'The 82-year-old lawyer already had a $60,000 American-made amplifier, 1960s German loudspeakers that once belonged to a theater, Japanese audio cables threaded with gold and silver, and other pricey equipment. Normal electricity just wouldn’t do anymore. To tap into what Mr. Morita calls “pure” power, he paid $10,000 to plant a 40-foot-tall concrete pole in his front yard. On it perches his own per
18:20 pete_dushenski sonal transformer—that thing shaped like a cylindrical metal garbage can—which feeds power more directly from the grid.'
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18:26 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/08/buterins-previous-waterfall-exposed/ << actually this was lolled about at conference 1 iirc.
18:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522908 << lel, and to think, i get this fir phreeeee
18:27 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 22:20 pete_dushenski: sonal transformer—that thing shaped like a cylindrical metal garbage can—which feeds power more directly from the grid.'
18:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522894 << he has a point, at that.
18:27 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 22:12 trinque begins to drink
18:29 asciilifeform (in usa, 'audiophiles' at least occasionally do things that make physical sense, e.g., install doubleconverter ups.)
18:29 mircea_popescu wtf is that crazy bloodshit.
18:29 asciilifeform cargocultism and veblenism, what else.
18:30 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522288 << my guess is 'invited'. same reason he's on fbook despite having own blog.
18:30 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 01:00 asciilifeform: soooo why is taleb on 'medium'..?
18:30 trinque pete_dushenski: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xbb' in position 52: ordinal not in range(128) << rss is supposed to be xml, hence ascii
18:30 mircea_popescu i don't get this nonsensical theory. “Electromagnetic interference from appliances being used by neighbors could propagate through a shared transformer and have an audible effect. That’s not an unreasonable thing.”
18:31 mircea_popescu sure, they could. what's keeping them from propagating into "your" transformer ? will github ban them if they don't respect notions of propriety ?
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18:31 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522320 << np :)
18:31 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 01:35 mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: pleased to report that 99994k spins up on deb7 without fuss. only comment would be on 'trb-howto' to suggest '-lows' command when booting bitcoind for the first time. << hey! Thanks for testing that!
18:31 pete_dushenski trinque: what am i looking at there ?
18:32 trinque your thing shat non-ascii
18:32 trinque xml way of doing this is &#666;
18:32 pete_dushenski qntra too ?
18:32 trinque no, but it's gagged on yours, which is a bug on my end
18:32 pete_dushenski guureat...
18:33 trinque well mine's easily fixed; however, I'm putting it here show that this is the kind of moron busywork that comes of taking something like RSS as bedrock
18:33 pete_dushenski trinque: can you check if my blog rss has barfed xml before ?
18:34 shinohai my twitter bot died bcuz new link first schema
18:34 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522372 << like hanging man died of 'rope'
18:34 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 14:45 asciilifeform: so now the octopus tendrils proclaim, that he died of dope, http://publicaddress.net/speaker/the-uncomfortable-silence
18:35 pete_dushenski ie. 'let's sprinkle some crack on this nigger and get outta here'
18:35 mircea_popescu and in other great successes of provisioning, i fucking found horseradish. i rule.
18:36 shinohai actual horseradish?
18:36 mircea_popescu yes.
18:36 shinohai :D
18:38 BingoBoingo <trinque> your thing shat non-ascii << AHA, pete_dushenski's rss has long been the bane of town crier bots
18:39 BingoBoingo $s horseradish
18:39 a111 8 results for "horseradish", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=horseradish
18:39 * pete_dushenski is ashamed of his rss.
18:39 BingoBoingo ^ mircea_popescu All you need to do is axe
18:39 shinohai the mp-wp rss feed worked out of box for me
18:39 mircea_popescu axe ? what, for men ?
18:40 pete_dushenski shinohai: hey cool. i'll look into that.
18:40 mircea_popescu one mp-wp to rule them all and in the darkness diddle them or how did that go.
18:41 pete_dushenski http://www.recode.net/2016/8/16/12504008/univision-is-buying-gawker-media-for-135-million << in other darkness news
18:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: axe, like you know... I axed this dude for some horseradish
18:43 mircea_popescu oh, the item simply doesn't exist down here.
18:43 mircea_popescu much like lovage.
18:43 mircea_popescu by now my path of biodestruction is pretty awesome.
18:44 BingoBoingo lol
18:48 trinque BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com/feed/ is shitting mysql errors
18:48 trinque hm, gone now
18:48 trinque intermittent
18:48 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: AHA HYPOCITE
18:48 BingoBoingo trinque: Thing will likely be staticified at some point. Tis the juggler's ball of least concern.
18:49 trinque nbd, just saw it while in there
18:49 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/univision-beats-ziff-davis-in-bidding-battle-for-gawker-media-corpse/ << Qntra - Univision Beats Ziff Davis In Bidding Battle For Gawker Media Corpse
18:50 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Different issue, resource exhaustion.
18:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522921 << veblenism (e.g., audiophilia, homeopathy, etc.) is a disease caused by idiot coming into possession of money. and there is only ONE cure.
18:50 a111 Logged on 2016-08-16 22:31 mircea_popescu: sure, they could. what's keeping them from propagating into "your" transformer ? will github ban them if they don't respect notions of propriety ?
18:50 asciilifeform removal thereof.
18:51 BingoBoingo trinque: If feed on personal blog fucks up feel free to remove. Updates atm are infrequent enough to manually drop.
18:51 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i seem to recall that kako was 'audiophile', which lends some credence to your theory
18:52 pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2016/08/buterins-previous-waterfall-exposed/ << why isn't quote in <blockquote> ? BingoBoingo shinohai
18:53 BingoBoingo ty fxing
18:53 shinohai probably because in rush I forgot proper tags
18:53 shinohai xD
18:54 * pete_dushenski has qntra editor's rules scarred into memory banks
18:54 BingoBoingo AHA pete_dushenski, "It works when you work it"
18:56 shinohai BingoBoingo graciously accommodates my faults
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19:19 BingoBoingo Symbolism! https://archive.is/ZTfyE
19:28 pete_dushenski http://www.usglassmag.com/2016/07/breaking-ppg-sells-assets-of-flat-glass-business-to-vitro/ << nuts. mehicanos snap up 100+yo us glass business. not even trump's wall can stop pesos from being launched over the border.
19:33 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> heh. aaand a trb node is at height 419220 for absolutely no reason ; 50+ connections, stable etc. << did this get fixed? or is it stuck at that same block still?
19:38 mod6 ;;bc,blocks
19:38 gribble {"blockcount":425523}
19:51 mircea_popescu mod6 alf's black holing, it seems.
19:58 mod6 ah, hm. ok.
19:59 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/arZVm
20:03 BingoBoingo ^ anti-advice
20:03 mircea_popescu also totally trollage.
20:07 BingoBoingo Well lovage breeds trollage
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20:26 asciilifeform http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-time-that-the-us-turned-an-olympic-village-into-a-prison << lulzy. e.g., 'If prison construction in urban and suburban areas triggered not-in-my-backyard backlash, prison construction in rural areas, and upstate New York in particular, became seen as an economic development solution. According to officials of the local antipoverty program, half of Essex County households survived on an income
20:26 asciilifeform under $8,000 a year. The Olympic Prison promised over 200 new “recession-free” jobs, at a starting salary of $15,000, a huge boon for an area with the state’s highest unemployment rates for much of the ‘70s. "It's the most sensible idea anyone's come up with yet," Lake Placid Mayor Robert Peacock told the media. As manufacturing and agriculture moved out of rural America, the prison industry moved in.'
20:32 shinohai $up Daysylover
20:32 deedbot Daysylover voiced for 30 minutes.
20:35 Daysylover hola mircea_popescu aqui quiero hacer http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
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21:37 shinohai heh
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23:50 phf "Our records show that you are the owner of 2 Urbit planets."
23:52 trinque heh, I got that too
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