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00:05 trinque asciilifeform: I refer you to the "pay for sunlight" thread. No one contests that there *are* externalities, but their cost is undefined.
00:05 trinque and pointedly not fucking zero
00:05 trinque undefined
00:10 trinque and for fucks sake there is no such thing as "the cost of fission power"
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00:11 trinque no one ever bought "fission power" the concept
00:12 trinque you conflate transactional, monetary cost and ~consequence
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00:30 trinque heh, here, "you cannot buy X unhappenings of chernobyl!"
00:30 * trinque goes to bed
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02:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the substance of the dreamer's dream is always dreamy! and of a creamy consistence!
02:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
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02:29 mircea_popescu there's better ways to learn things than saying the stupidest thing one can thing of to the smartest people he can find.
02:30 mircea_popescu but of course, more generally, the reason civilisation in all its known implementations always flows towards "herd of females, and capons" is exactly that naturally, boys tend to prefer learning by the above described process, which is never popular with the learned.
02:31 mircea_popescu this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things.
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02:34 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Fireside chat with Russ Roberts. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/29/fireside-chat-with-russ-roberts/
02:37 mircea_popescu anyway, to round the matter for the readership, oil is not 100, but about 35 atm. was 40 last year. in this interval of time, about two thirds of the cost of the barrel comes from various royalties paid to governments, both directly and indirectly in the form of "compliance" with myriad idiocies. the cost of refining, owing to technological advance entirely unrelated to government, is under a cent. transportation around a cen
02:37 mircea_popescu t. the 25 cents may not be exact, but they're not far off for one thing, and based on actual reasoning as opposed to "let's say things see what happens".
02:37 mircea_popescu it's true that oil ~futures~ did top 100 for some time some time ago. this is a different sort of "price" than the "price" of interest in the reasoning above, and a different sort of signal.
02:39 mircea_popescu that difference is perhaps best understood as the difference between "find me the real roots of f(x)" and "find me the limit of f(x) with x->inf". different stories altogether.
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02:52 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah, i recall.
02:53 mircea_popescu trinque the important point about "externalities" in a discussion of money, and by extension capitalism, is that they're never anything other than a power play. (much like appeals to "science" in a social setting, notwithstanding the libertard's hollow pretense to the contrary).
02:54 mircea_popescu when i say "You see ? The capitalist found the externality, made his item certainly cheaper and arguably "better" at the expense of unknown things not in his charge." i am not being facetious. the derp's actually being a good capitalist in that example. which is the broader point there : one can't pull himself up by own breeches, "capitalism" is not a cure for stupidity, merely an instrument for smart people.
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03:26 mircea_popescu and in other boobs, http://namethatporn.com/post/333009-where-can-i-find-this-video.html
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06:53 thestringpuller ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18Bb
06:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
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07:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511402 << nobody complained in the 10,001 times i mentioned 'the cost of microshit'
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07:31 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 04:10 trinque: and for fucks sake there is no such thing as "the cost of fission power"
07:34 asciilifeform i'd luvvv to know, why the special pleading for petrocar, it is quite the same as winblowz, x86, and other 'this is mainstream, cheap, normal and stop counting the actual damage from it as cost, you terrorist'
07:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511416 << why should i look at the instantaneous value solely, rather than this limit?
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07:38 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 06:39 mircea_popescu: that difference is perhaps best understood as the difference between "find me the real roots of f(x)" and "find me the limit of f(x) with x->inf". different stories altogether.
07:40 asciilifeform the 100, as i understand, is a more honest figure, it factors in actual trend (no prizes for guessing: down) in production, aint nobody making moar of it.. - and is less affected by the anti-ru dumping presently in effect
07:43 asciilifeform the above is why i never dug into the 'pricing of energetics' thing in detail - i find he subj quite similar to, e.g., usg unemployment figures - i have no access to the seeeekrit evidence required to cut away the fiction from the reality
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07:43 asciilifeform *the subj
07:44 asciilifeform at least partly because ~the usd~ is an artifact consisting largely of fiction;
07:45 asciilifeform but also because the petro market is only partly a market, but partly also a system of tribute collection and other non-commercial exchange
07:46 asciilifeform (e.g., what happened to saddam h's petro deal with fr, and why? where is ghaddafi's?)
07:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry'
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07:49 asciilifeform or did i dream this.
07:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511408 << it is a proper field , perhaps, but makes the spy business look transparent. ftmeade leaks, saudi palace - not, afaik.
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07:56 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 06:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
07:58 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu appears to be deliberately glossing over important difference between asciilifeform in petro thread and the proverbial 'all functions are convex!!1111' kid above
07:59 asciilifeform which is, that mathematics is ~accessible~ to the determined mind. always, with no exception, WITHOUT demanding a swallowing of seekrit evidence.
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08:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511411 << i'd enjoy reading moar about this
08:08 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 06:31 mircea_popescu: this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things.
08:08 asciilifeform was there an article?
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08:36 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18CL
08:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:37 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 Got your telegram, worked smooth. Tested on Gentto and Debian, will update on Ubuntu.
08:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
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09:08 BingoBoingo shinohai: added a footnote for you
09:08 shinohai ty BingoBoingo ... thestringpuller put me on more comedy lulz incoming
09:11 BingoBoingo brb
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09:30 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18Dz
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09:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
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10:33 trinque hm odd, I've got something to fix in deedbot's ghost logic. apparently ghost doesn't work if the ghosted nick disconnects in between the connection and ghost.
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10:36 asciilifeform from the dept. of lulz: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/2016-07/turkish-academics-human-rights-ban-travel-recep-tayyip-erdogan
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10:37 asciilifeform including the brain-melter: 'Because I stay independent in my science, I am dependent on international funding. '
10:37 shinohai dafuq
10:38 shinohai "Because I stay independent in my Bitcoin, I am dependent on Roger Ver for funding."
10:39 asciilifeform $up omglovethis
10:39 deedbot omglovethis voiced for 30 minutes.
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10:57 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 yeah, i recall. << iirc, there was a whole pile of these second level deps. i seem to remember that at the time, there wasn't a plan in place for how to climb the mountain there. but with the primary artifacts now deeded, we have a pattern.
10:58 mod6 hopefully we can get those ones in, and work towards getting the whole wad frozen.
10:58 mod6 <shinohai> Got your telegram, worked smooth. Tested on Gentto and Debian, will update on Ubuntu. << hey thanks!
11:00 shinohai Finished the Ubuntu build before you got on, so yeah all working nice mod6
11:02 mod6 So, yeah, added in the pull of the deeds, the checking of the sigs, uudecoded, and checked the output hashes. not just on the craptastic four; also put in explicit sig checking on the rotor and V.
11:02 mod6 Previously we were checking this, but I don't know if it was failing properly if there was a bad sig.
11:04 shinohai I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again
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11:06 thestringpuller LOL
11:06 mod6 ah. yeah might still be some changes to come if something doesn't pass the tests. so be prepared for that eventuallity until V99994 is placed in deedbot.
11:06 shinohai Oh I know it will all get changed lol xD
11:08 mod6 so i need to still do some negative testing; i need to kinda run the script a section at a time. and in each section, exiting after it pulls an artifact, diddle the signature by hand on the fs, then resume; this should cause the signature check to fail, and the signature conditional to exit the script with an error as designed.
11:09 shinohai ^ I actually did this to ensure I was getting correct sigs each time.
11:09 mod6 if that stuff works well, then will probably pass around for others to try before it's deed-ified
11:09 mod6 you already did all that!? ^5
11:10 mod6 i was gonna do it late lasntight, but was getting too late.
11:10 shinohai yeah i diddled the sigs on each part and reran. Failed as expected
11:10 mod6 outstanding.
11:10 * shinohai has been up since 4 am xD
11:17 mod6 nice
11:18 mod6 <+shinohai> I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again << this /should/ fail. because buildroot won't be able to pull all of its stuff down.
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11:19 shinohai oh yeah, true
11:19 mod6 however, this is a decent opportunity to go a head, build with the build script, save all your terminal output to say a `script` into typescript or whatever bash logging you wanna do, and gather up the list of deps buildroot pulls so I can start to climb that mountain.
11:19 mod6 s/a head/ahead
11:20 mod6 i've done this before, I was saying in here, but.. it's been a good while since. Might be worth another gathering. If that's a bit boring or whatever, don't worry, I can tackle this later.
11:20 mod6 But if looking for a useful task...
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11:36 asciilifeform mod6 et al: https://buildroot.org/downloads/manual/manual.html#_offline_builds << may be worth looking into
11:37 mod6 asciilifeform: hey, ya, thanks.
11:38 mod6 will certainly be revisiting all of this in August.
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12:34 mats https://imgur.com/TMhU9v6.gifv
12:35 asciilifeform mats: who/whom ?
12:36 asciilifeform or was it exercise.
12:36 mats exercise, idk who those people are
12:36 asciilifeform lulzy
12:50 mats you tracking this year's 'cyber grand challenge'?
12:50 asciilifeform mats: not since i quit the shithole where that was my day job, l0l
12:50 asciilifeform (i was to be sent.)
12:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511423 << this is a political choice, the matter's discussed pluriously. hitler pays the bill for "what he did" AND for what "he made us do". microshit has no way out of liability for the same reason the conclusion of 390 gaul campaign was not "a delegation of older women from each side got together to list each side's complaints and sufferances equally and wail together".
12:52 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 11:31 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511402 << nobody complained in the 10,001 times i mentioned 'the cost of microshit'
12:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i expected this answer!
12:52 asciilifeform my mircea_popescumulator works!111111
12:52 mircea_popescu see alsohttp://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510475
12:52 a111 Logged on 2016-07-27 17:55 mircea_popescu: "i'll pay your son to rape your wife with money taken from your house" is the byline of the revolution.
12:53 mircea_popescu o look, it nukes links right out of text! neat.
12:53 mats wao
12:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511426 << for ~the same reason you're invited to not value cars by the process of running down the street in a gaggle of boys this age yelling at times "whoa this is a good one, 250!" because the car had a speedometer backing listing that number.
12:55 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 11:38 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511416 << why should i look at the instantaneous value solely, rather than this limit?
12:55 mircea_popescu did they do that in 1990 russia also ?
12:56 mircea_popescu but no, the 100 is not a trend indicator, it's a situation indicator. long term historical prices indicate the trend, future spot indicates the short term.
12:57 mircea_popescu contrary to what you might think for unclear and i suspect unexamined reasons, finance is actually a quite sensible, rather complex and definitely satisfying art.
12:57 asciilifeform point.
12:57 mircea_popescu a
12:57 mircea_popescu in places has a lot in common with "submarine piloting".
12:57 mircea_popescu a submarine doesn't drive, not like a car at any rate. a submarine is a lot closer to a plane, ie, "a dot being moved on a graph". except the plane has a much ampler bubble.
13:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511429 << not as a civilian, and for the very obvious reason. (or at least it should be obvious - past a few hundred or so, adding more "opinion"ators does not improve the overall quality of the resultant opinion, even if it increases the costs of resulting it.which is also why "inclusive" programs always fail. so people trying to figure this shit out really don't need anymore noise. good en
13:00 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 11:43 asciilifeform: the above is why i never dug into the 'pricing of energetics' thing in detail - i find he subj quite similar to, e.g., usg unemployment figures - i have no access to the seeeekrit evidence required to cut away the fiction from the reality
13:00 mircea_popescu ough as it is, with everyone lying to everyone every chance they get, as part and parcel of what economics IS, this branch of cryptocurrency.)
13:00 mircea_popescu but, ~nothing keeps you from taking the oath and then you'll know. and have no time for anything else, included remembering why the fuck you wanted to know in the first place. such is the wonder.
13:01 asciilifeform aha, sorta how many years ago i tried to work in nsa.
13:01 asciilifeform picture, would be there still, watering office plants or sumthing.
13:01 asciilifeform wondering where remanant of brain - went.
13:02 mircea_popescu as balzac would say, "une vie".
13:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511434 << this example doesn't work because when valuing "cars" one makes a deliberate exception of the $15 cost of the raw sheet metal going in. there is no such thing as minerals that aren't also stolen cars. again for the obvious reason - nobody's mommy picks molybden ingots from under her nails as normal part of morning hygiene.
13:07 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 11:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry'
13:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511436 << this is a large part of why my position is and has for a while been derisive of nsa and especially meta-nsa.
13:08 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 11:56 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511408 << it is a proper field , perhaps, but makes the spy business look transparent. ftmeade leaks, saudi palace - not, afaik.
13:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here is where i must disagree: mineral that someone digs up, then sells, and the selling pays for the digging - is not in any useful sense stolen
13:08 mircea_popescu oh ? and purse someone cuts, drives bike to and fro ?
13:08 asciilifeform whereas if syria pumps, isis loots, and then sells for pennies on the dollar - then yes.
13:08 mats i found this and thought it was kinda interesting https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/03/41-months-weev-understanding-how-sentencing-guidelines-work-cfaa-cases-0
13:08 mircea_popescu you have no title over any minerals, not anymore you have it over bitcoin, or that lady's purse.
13:08 asciilifeform i wasn't thinking of title.
13:09 mircea_popescu the minor difference that NO ONE ELSE has title on the first two, and supposedly the lady on the third, is not germane to YOUR position.
13:09 mircea_popescu but title is the point.
13:09 asciilifeform but of the elementary sense in which stolen cars are not legitimately reflective of the cost of making car.
13:09 mircea_popescu title is the problem here though.
13:10 mircea_popescu and the deep reason title is the problem is this : that my own slavegirl, i will beat. but random whore, i will not.
13:10 mircea_popescu ie, one doesn't improve matter he doesn't hold title to.
13:10 asciilifeform title is a convenient fiction. whereas 'does this system run on human fat' is an answerable question. and a car market where mircea_popescu paid for his mazerati but tyrone stole and sold for fiddybux, is not conducive to continued production of mazeratis.
13:11 mircea_popescu mno. title as understood by idiots is a convenient fiction, much like santa-the-gift-giver is a convenient fiction. this fiction does not mean it's a good idea to be a bad kiddy, in either case.
13:11 mircea_popescu title, as a convenient fiction in common parlance, nevertheless translates a deep and important ontological difference.
13:11 asciilifeform it is precisely the 'colour of bits' though, no ?
13:12 mircea_popescu mno. you recall the gypsy stolen gun story ?
13:12 asciilifeform aha?
13:12 mircea_popescu there's a difference between cow and rifle. other than the objectively obvious and in general.
13:13 mircea_popescu ie, that the cow is the product of someone nursing a veal ; whereas the rifle wasn't nursed from pistolhood. the joke's a joke, but "your" car and "your" chunk of copper aren't the same thing.
13:14 * asciilifeform can see this.
13:15 asciilifeform brief interlude:
13:15 asciilifeform 807925151782775182517871917216748799011102566742887100803258635688116378471697272329930035288072836592217949023047450487352988978762273027377203809661207078015771934182524902293754943759741302669901440959601689206919805466065493904045952358461904261764541146300907626072189397288526645215188809978098259658811214042401457294790599323277349910659038507666798966533119515201399710353072749681585595559674
13:15 asciilifeform 8383575217432181074792435301770768726610455339706791900935464128698326897340546560352914870971538835730445303345837491825537422632877761923523966252818257555740374555481868300398678595310369133225524118743778876169
13:15 mircea_popescu i never thought i'd be excited by how long they are.
13:15 asciilifeform is a perfect square.
13:15 mircea_popescu whoa!
13:15 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDDE667282B355D21D9F0E3505442E332AB082F487BFFC440034D11D636FD6A7
13:15 asciilifeform ^ his
13:15 mircea_popescu now THAT is an accident ?
13:15 asciilifeform SURPRISINGLY, the only one.
13:15 mircea_popescu squares ? rly ?
13:15 asciilifeform in whole db.
13:15 mircea_popescu interesting.
13:15 asciilifeform it means he's phucked, as soon as i add the knob for manually augmenting 8ball.
13:16 mircea_popescu heh.
13:16 asciilifeform i would dearly love to know where mr. Khadeer generated his key.
13:17 mircea_popescu anyway, yes "made of human fat" is answerable. the problem is - everything's made of human fat. much more important a question is, to use ballas' exceptionally apt terminology for the matter, "is this an impossible fantasy to be pursued at the expene of your labour and your life" ? the lori gottlieb question.
13:17 asciilifeform follow the 'seen elsewhere' links, aslo
13:18 mircea_popescu it is ALSO answerable, except not in certain ways. from a particular solipsistic position, the "probability" of there existing such a thing as a cube of bronze is just as remote as the probability of there existing a cube of antimatter the same size.
13:18 mircea_popescu THIS incidentally is a problem you run into all the time.
13:18 asciilifeform hm?
13:19 asciilifeform ( meanwhile: Mahmood Khadeer <mhkhadee@hotmail.com>; none <algemeenoptie2@gmail.com>;
13:19 asciilifeform User(s):
13:19 asciilifeform Godless Prayer <godless.prayer@gmx.de>;
13:19 mircea_popescu Mahmood Khadeer , " president and co-founder of the Muslim Association of Puget Sound (MAPS)" ?
13:19 asciilifeform john <john.k.pescador@hawaii.gov>;
13:19 asciilifeform Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern@schroedel.cc>;
13:20 asciilifeform Nick Ruston <alliancemicro@dodemall.redcheetah.com>;
13:20 asciilifeform Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern.schroedel@gmx.de>;
13:20 asciilifeform ^ all share this modulus ^.
13:20 asciilifeform )
13:20 mircea_popescu dodemail ?
13:20 mircea_popescu ahahaha wut.
13:20 asciilifeform i have nfi !
13:20 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy compost matter.
13:21 asciilifeform aha! in what did they generate key, in old rusty stove ?
13:21 asciilifeform or is this elaborate tr0l0l0l.
13:21 asciilifeform or wat.
13:21 mircea_popescu it'd have to be a state the art ownatron. seeing how rusty stoves has small chances of finding squares quite so deliciously.
13:22 asciilifeform eh you get one simply when pgptron sets q to equal p
13:22 asciilifeform instead of bothering with generating a q
13:22 mircea_popescu what's this, the "halfkey" mode ?
13:22 asciilifeform the 'mother dropped me as a baby but i will write a pgptron' mode, possibly
13:22 asciilifeform or shenanigans with diddled keygen
13:23 mircea_popescu seems improbable that dropped baby manages to compile hello world. to my eyes it's rather deliberate, but anyway.
13:23 asciilifeform 'redcheetah.com' redirects to http://op.ecisolutions.com/red-falcon.aspx
13:24 asciilifeform ^ they sell some sort of cloud nonsense
13:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511439 << not so, sadly. mathematics is accessible, yes, but only to the clear mind. the determined mind has clarity problems definitionally. you generally see just how fucking accessible mathematics is to the determined mind when reviewing the quality of statistics work produced by determined minds.
13:24 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 11:59 asciilifeform: which is, that mathematics is ~accessible~ to the determined mind. always, with no exception, WITHOUT demanding a swallowing of seekrit evidence.
13:24 mircea_popescu we even did some of that in channel.
13:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is accessible in the sense that i dun need to swear an oath, get tatooed, castrate meself with rusty knife, etc. to become adept.
13:25 asciilifeform nor be of aryan blood, or the like.
13:25 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ << determined minds.
13:25 asciilifeform determined AND 'this tall to play', goes without saying
13:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you do, in a sense. where's that oglaf...
13:25 asciilifeform 'any man can learn to fire a pistol' 'but this one here has no hands' 'wasn't speaking of him , wtf'
13:26 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/
13:27 asciilifeform lol!
13:27 mircea_popescu yawell...
13:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511442 << no, not really, perhaps past the "bitcoin is creating its own set of problems".
13:32 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 12:08 asciilifeform: was there an article?
13:32 mircea_popescu sadly all the idiots are busy "researching" their way out of the hole digging in just about the opposite direction.
13:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the one where 'boys cannot safely misbehave and learn' ?
13:32 mircea_popescu but my vituperations of "iliteracy" as exemplified by your arcane symbology et all is not unrelated.
13:32 mircea_popescu there's problems here.
13:33 mircea_popescu and they ate the lions.
13:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah.
13:33 asciilifeform i very much recall that piece.
13:34 mircea_popescu anyway. the irony of ironies, smooth in its uncanny fineness, is that THERE WOULD BE what to do to pay back the money spent on "studies".
13:34 mircea_popescu they're just not doing it.
13:35 asciilifeform oh btw, http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cair-condemns-attack-on-seattle-jewish-center-57084602.html << mahmoud khadeer @ hotmail etc.
13:35 asciilifeform didja know ! these attract SUCH MAGICal bitrot
13:36 asciilifeform makes perfect square rsa mod, factorable in motherfucking O(1), every time!111111
13:37 asciilifeform http://wizbangblog.com/content/2006/07/29/when-you-cair-enough-to-say-th.php << obligatory metawank re above.
13:40 asciilifeform aaaaand
13:40 asciilifeform https://github.com/johnpescador << john <john.k.pescador@hawaii.gov>
13:41 asciilifeform ^ ~empty
13:41 asciilifeform https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/oahu-state-public-parking-lots-fcdc9 << same. ???
13:42 mircea_popescu heh.
13:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511452 << yeah. it finds nothing to ghost. do a release right before trying to connect i ugess.
13:43 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 14:33 trinque: hm odd, I've got something to fix in deedbot's ghost logic. apparently ghost doesn't work if the ghosted nick disconnects in between the connection and ghost.
13:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511453 << pretty obviously, kickstarter-level spy is stuck now.
13:44 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 14:36 asciilifeform: from the dept. of lulz: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/2016-07/turkish-academics-human-rights-ban-travel-recep-tayyip-erdogan
13:44 asciilifeform independent!1111 woman!111 in SCIENCE!!!!
13:45 mircea_popescu love how they present this "anyone has to assume they are being eavesdropped on" as some sort of bad thing. cuz you know, it's not mother-usa doing it.
13:45 mircea_popescu "protest for peace"
13:45 asciilifeform aha, only orcish eavesdropping, with clicks in the rotary phone, counts
13:45 mircea_popescu should have fucking beheaded the lot.
13:45 asciilifeform just like only orcish murder counts, and not michael hastings et al
13:45 asciilifeform and only orcish 'corruption' is corruption, and not lockheed. etc
13:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511465 << this is a great idea.
13:46 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 15:04 shinohai: I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again
13:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511478 << yeah but you also get to see what all the shit is.
13:47 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 15:18 mod6: <+shinohai> I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again << this /should/ fail. because buildroot won't be able to pull all of its stuff down.
13:52 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511478 << yeah but you also get to see what all the shit is. << yeah totally.
13:52 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 15:18 mod6: <+shinohai> I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again << this /should/ fail. because buildroot won't be able to pull all of its stuff down.
13:55 shinohai Hey mircea_popescu doesn't think I'm *totally* crazy :D
14:03 mircea_popescu :p
14:03 mircea_popescu ima brb dusting off some gear.
14:03 mircea_popescu $up peter___
14:03 deedbot peter___ voiced for 30 minutes.
14:04 peter___ thanks
~ 25 minutes ~
14:30 peter___ is this interview happening today?
14:35 thestringpuller interview?
14:48 asciilifeform wat
~ 17 minutes ~
15:06 asciilifeform phf ^ ??
~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~
16:09 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Mahmood Khadeer <mhkhadee@hotmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DD
16:09 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'none <algemeenoptie2@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06C393B10
16:09 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern.schroedel@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgke
16:09 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Nick Ruston <alliancemicro@dodemall.redcheetah.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.
16:09 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern@schroedel.cc>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/78
16:09 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'john <john.k.pescador@hawaii.gov>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C2F16F6
16:09 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Godless Prayer <godless.prayer@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C2
16:09 asciilifeform there ^ .
16:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ^
16:10 mircea_popescu mm ?
16:11 mircea_popescu dun tell me log off again ?
16:11 asciilifeform ah i forgot that phf's rubbish log is down again
16:11 asciilifeform try Framedragger's
16:11 mircea_popescu link ?
16:12 asciilifeform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today
16:12 mircea_popescu ty
16:13 mircea_popescu lol this one munges links.
16:13 mircea_popescu srsly, gpgkey/DD ? what's this, its titsize ?
16:13 asciilifeform that's trinque's thing
16:14 asciilifeform or possibly limit of irc blob
16:14 asciilifeform i have nfi why he doesn't simply transmit N blobs.
16:14 mircea_popescu ah there's that.
16:14 asciilifeform anyway they are all in same place as before,
16:14 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDDE667282B355D21D9F0E3505442E332AB082F487BFFC440034D11D636FD6A7
16:14 trinque asciilifeform: nfi eh?
16:14 trinque haven't fucking gotten to it
16:15 mircea_popescu so what is ^ about this ?
16:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that there is now a generic hopper that takes 'F may be a factor of M, if verifies, entered in db'
16:15 asciilifeform at some point in near future i will expose it publicly.
16:15 mircea_popescu ah! manual expansion added ? neat.
16:15 asciilifeform aha.
16:16 asciilifeform manual with verification that 1) M exists in key db and 2) F divides M.
16:16 mircea_popescu publicly going too far imo, not even sure it's for lordship.
16:16 mircea_popescu why exactly would someone pop a magic number in there ?
16:16 asciilifeform leaked privs ? dunno.
16:16 mircea_popescu let them push the keys then
16:16 asciilifeform do we want a public rape pit ?
16:16 asciilifeform it takes a few msec to test one of these.
16:16 mircea_popescu a msec is a msec.
16:17 asciilifeform about same number of cycles as a page load, mircea_popescu .
16:17 asciilifeform this is not really a dos vector.
16:17 mircea_popescu you're then stuck storing them...
16:17 asciilifeform we're storing keys anyway
16:17 asciilifeform any idiot could generate a TB of crud keys.
16:17 asciilifeform so long as they are rfc-tronic.
16:17 asciilifeform and put in.
16:17 asciilifeform (for some reason, nobody's bothered.)
16:18 mircea_popescu i dunno, your thing, your call. i dun see the benefit.
16:18 asciilifeform only correct answers are stored.
16:18 asciilifeform benefit is that anyone who, via whatever means, factors a mod, can pop it.
16:18 asciilifeform thus far it exists for my own convenience.
16:19 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo consider qntra-fication for the Mahmood Khadeer find ?
16:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:23 trinque +asciilifeform │ ah i forgot that phf's rubbish log is down again << I don't remember anyone in-wot signing any code for whatever shoddy IRC daemon freenode uses.
16:24 trinque thought somebody was working on a replacement for all that
16:24 mircea_popescu yeah about time for something like that hm ?
16:24 asciilifeform lel aha.
16:24 asciilifeform i must point out that kako's log somehow didn't spend good chunk of its time being down.
16:24 asciilifeform (i do not know how.)
16:24 trinque eh assbot was disconnected time to time as well
16:25 asciilifeform but reconnected.
16:25 mircea_popescu not lisp :D
16:25 asciilifeform lolsp
16:26 trinque I clearly recall him going to kick it time to time
16:26 mircea_popescu it was pretty stable. current situation is by comparison pretty scandalous. not perfect, sure, but perfecter.
16:29 trinque I've shared some code with phf, but can otherwise just feed him log data from deedbot if he ever wants
16:29 trinque all mine lacks at the moment is knowing to just switch to the nick if ghost fails
16:30 trinque shared a vpatch with him to look over the other day
16:37 asciilifeform incidentally, holy fuck,
16:37 asciilifeform 0x4000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000483000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
16:37 asciilifeform 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000145b09.
16:37 asciilifeform ^ today's maaaagic mod.
16:37 asciilifeform in hex.
16:37 trinque holy mask batman
16:39 asciilifeform http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7FB82C851C5F7748 << the lul is quite visible, incidentally, to naked eye
16:41 asciilifeform none of the keyz (they are, note, independent, other than by containing this mod turd) seem to have valid selfsig.
16:44 asciilifeform but,
16:44 asciilifeform unlike earlier mutilated 'piltdown men', none seem to have extant earlier, uncorrupted versions of themselves:
16:44 asciilifeform e.g., http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=alliancemicro%40dodemall.redcheetah.com&fingerprint=on
16:45 asciilifeform ^ only the magic key
16:45 asciilifeform http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=mhkhadee%40hotmail.com&fingerprint=on << ditto.
16:46 asciilifeform http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=john.k.pescador%40hawaii.gov&fingerprint=on << ditto.
16:47 asciilifeform actually
16:47 asciilifeform 1 does,
16:47 asciilifeform http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=bjoern.schroedel%40gmx.de&fingerprint=on << him.
16:48 asciilifeform ^ BUT! his other keys is NOT the uncorrupted original of the one we see.
16:48 asciilifeform it is a wholly different key.
16:50 asciilifeform the diddled key has a distinct self-sig (my pgptron will not eat it, so i cannot easily evaluate where it may have come from)
16:50 asciilifeform and claims a time of Tue Jun 16 06:26:53 EDT 2015
16:50 asciilifeform original : Tue Jun 16 02:36:44 EDT 2015 .
16:52 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fe0a4476-e67d-445c-a3b6-cd6f84d2e2ed/?raw=true << dump outputs.
16:59 asciilifeform http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/288757371.html << moar khadeer.
17:00 asciilifeform jan 15 2015: 'Mahmood Khadeer, the president and one of the founders of the Muslim Association of Puget Sound (MAPS) in Redmond, echoed this sentiment in a letter he sent out to the mosque’s community. In the letter, Khadeer — who said MAPS condemns the acts carried out by the terrorists last week — said some opponents of the prophet “insulted him, mistreated him, gathered filth at his door
17:00 asciilifeform and threw camel entrails at him,” while others “taunted him and pelted him with rocks until he bled.” And yet, Muhammad forgave them, Khadeer wrote.'
17:01 asciilifeform http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2016/07/06/muslim-association-puget-sound-greets-governor-eid/53426 << and again him.
17:01 asciilifeform too many of these pr turds to list. most quite ununteresting.
17:01 asciilifeform but fella does get around.
17:01 asciilifeform *uninteresting
~ 28 minutes ~
17:30 mircea_popescu yeah pocket astroturf element.
17:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform thinking about it, dead drop for key factor would in fact produce a very cheap and effective leak method. someone finding themselves in possession of such data doesn't currently have a good way to dump it, gotta go through the greenwaldwall at best.
17:39 mircea_popescu but for this to work will have to be public rather than wot.
17:39 mircea_popescu anyway, i now see teh wisdom.
~ 30 minutes ~
18:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo or any other energetic fella , might be interested in writing to khadeer about 'his' pubkey ?
18:11 mircea_popescu maybe interview the guy about muslims etc ; drop it sideways mid interview.
18:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, and it prolly will need the ability to eat straight privkeys - 'i found this here thumb drive, and it had...'
18:12 mircea_popescu an unpredicted direction but not obviously invalid.
18:13 asciilifeform i suspect that most 'finders' have nfi how to get p and q out, why not give a little helpin' hand.
18:14 mircea_popescu aha
~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~
19:22 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo consider qntra-fication for the Mahmood Khadeer find ? << Maybe do a draft?
19:23 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo or any other energetic fella , might be interested in writing to khadeer about 'his' pubkey ? << WHo wants this scoop?
19:24 BingoBoingo ;;later tell peter___ Who is your daddy and what does he do. Also what interview?
19:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:25 mircea_popescu $up smickles
19:25 deedbot smickles voiced for 30 minutes.
19:25 mircea_popescu you /pm deedbot $up
19:31 mircea_popescu that moment when you realise that the two funny looking horn items a foot apart embedded in bathroom wall are NOT actually towel hangers.
19:32 shinohai >.>
19:35 mircea_popescu EXACTLY right height for 1.79 girl to hold on for dear life on.
19:49 BingoBoingo brb
~ 2 hours 11 minutes ~
22:01 phf autoreconnecting log bot is coming this weekend, thanks in great part to trinque. i rewrote a bunch of stuff last weekend, need to test it and take live somtime in the next few days
22:01 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffing-gossip-continues-exchanges-risk-insolvency/ << good point bb. derpy "tech leader" coinbase caught with pants down, now has no option but to pretend nothing happened. this has worked ever so splendidly in the past, too...
22:01 mircea_popescu phf cool.
22:01 phf i literally came back to a hotel from a beach drinking shit show, because i noticed logs are not updating :>
22:02 mircea_popescu ima start making "hexdump on your tits" flyers for you to spread out yo.
22:03 phf girls, girls, there's an important republic business i need to take care off
22:03 * phf off
22:03 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo plox to check authorship of last submission
22:03 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:03 * mircea_popescu writes in book "phf does cocaine off beach bunnies asscrack instead of attending to republic business."
22:03 mircea_popescu shinohai did he steal your article ?
22:04 shinohai Nah, I often catch him sleepy or somesuch and he merely mis-attributes
22:05 * mircea_popescu reaches for book again...
22:06 shinohai I bought 2 bottles of muscadine wine this evening. I have almost finished one and I'm flying so hard I don't even need to crack open 2nd.
22:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo btw my porncomment got quarantined!
22:11 mircea_popescu shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v9i95/sent_eth_but_20_hours_later_4900_block/ << incidentally, apparently coinbase just stealing all ether, either kind.
22:14 shinohai LOL mircea_popescu I just tweeted someone about that
22:14 shinohai #SFYL
22:14 shinohai We gotta follow fiat rules, but no big deal, reddit says it will drive adoption!
22:15 mircea_popescu heh
22:16 mircea_popescu so basically, "the business case for ethereum is just as good as for bitcoin" just got kicked a little in the teeth with a big fat "DO NOT USE CONTRACTS FOR ANY PURPOSES!!111".
22:16 mircea_popescu clearly this is good for the shitcoin.
22:17 mircea_popescu this is possibly the proxy war i most enjoyed in the history of proxy wars.
22:18 shinohai I have gotten more entertainment out of Ethereum than I have from anything in this space in a long time
22:18 mircea_popescu and in other "nothing happened" ivy league news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/d49a0eeebee0df1394a50d393a147c30/tumblr_my8xg474Xt1r2svjro1_400.gif
22:18 mircea_popescu shinohai by now it's getting close to bitdaytrade levels of powerlolz.
22:19 mircea_popescu brb.
22:33 BingoBoingo <shinohai> ;;later tell BingoBoingo plox to check authorship of last submission << ty fxd
22:34 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo btw my porncomment got quarantined! << ty found. Note tumblr.com comment links usually go straight to the shredder.
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22:35 BingoBoingo <shinohai> Nah, I often catch him sleepy or somesuch and he merely mis-attributes << twas case
22:37 shinohai No harm, no foul.
22:41 shinohai BingoBoingo: did you miss my other submission or is it pending?
22:41 BingoBoingo What sumbission?
22:42 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511450
22:42 a111 Logged on 2016-07-29 13:30 shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18Dz
22:42 BingoBoingo ty
22:43 shinohai np. Coinbase PR may have ruined the lulziness some by now
22:43 shinohai xD
22:51 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
22:51 gribble Current Blocks: 422833 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 526 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
22:51 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
22:51 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 655.96, vol: 1226.17168275 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 646.287, vol: 3966.49672 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 657.1, vol: 8517.78705999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 656.696772, vol: 67512.57390000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 655.76, vol: 930.43749086 | Volume-weighted last average: 656.21437321
22:53 deedbot [Qntra] Brian Armstrong Still Has Hard On For Harkforks - http://qntra.net/2016/07/brian-armstrong-still-has-hard-on-for-harkforks/
22:54 shinohai Goddamnit BingoBoingo dat title
22:55 BingoBoingo shinohai: Titled that way because everyone knows Brian Armstrong allegedly can't make own hard on without pharmacological assistance. This way title stings when he reads.
22:55 shinohai toppest of keks
22:56 shinohai Let's hope I have enuf btc sitting around when I get sued for libel one day xD
23:00 BingoBoingo It can't be libel if you preface it with "allegedly"
23:01 shinohai :D
23:02 shinohai Of course he may have bigger legal fish to fry in near future, depending on the ire of customers.
23:06 BingoBoingo In the existential dread of an Ether terror fish fries you
~ 25 minutes ~
23:32 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/07/rbg-black-rebel-sanctioned-further-as-police-apparently-fear-mysterious-organization/ << Mega lulz I nearly missed
23:35 deedbot [Qntra] RBG Black Rebel Sanctioned Further As Police Apparently Fear Mysterious Organization - http://qntra.net/2016/07/rbg-black-rebel-sanctioned-further-as-police-apparently-fear-mysterious-organization/
23:42 BingoBoingo shinohai: sorry for accidently taking your smug https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4v870d/ethereum_hardfork_has_exposed_exchanges_to/d5wccxk
23:53 BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/xivy4To.png
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