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05:15 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
05:15 gribble Current Blocks: 419376 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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05:37 deedbot [Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~1.88% With Subsidy Halving Days Away - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-1-88-with-subsidy-halving-days-away/
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06:29 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: business partner of mine had a really good quote about millennial girls: "everyone decided to raise a fucking princess not a woman"
~ 1 hours 16 minutes ~
07:45 jurov Some illustration pic for qntra: https://i.redd.it/qvynswrwca7x.jpg
08:00 BingoBoingo ty jurov
08:09 shinohai ^ priceless
~ 20 minutes ~
08:30 shinohai Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit.
~ 24 minutes ~
08:55 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4rbypl/saving_thedao_by_breaking_the_split_mechanism/d4zuhcr <<< you shouldn't have told the world our shit was broken, now we might actually have to fix it.
08:56 thestringpuller lol php/mysql is what qntra runs on
08:58 shinohai I still hate it
08:59 shinohai Quite possibly it is this nasty box I am having to deal with, may try to obtain a Digital Ocean box later on this week
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09:21 asciilifeform phf: l0gz down again ??
09:26 thestringpuller oh noes
09:26 thestringpuller asciilifeform: is always first to notice. you must be reading logs most often.
09:28 asciilifeform i woke up, wat
09:30 thestringpuller i'm pretty sure you have logs directly inputted into your brain upon waking every morning
09:39 jurov thestringpuller: no he said just waken up. that means he reads log when sleeping
09:40 thestringpuller aha!
09:41 jurov if i did that, i'd get crazy, too
09:45 phf the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform
09:47 thestringpuller or hire a slave to be on-call
10:01 deedbot [Qntra] Suicide Bombers Strike Saudi Arabia - http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/
10:09 BingoBoingo In other news, Qntra now has a "Weather Category" to document notable instances of Aloha Snackbar http://qntra.net/category/weather/
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10:32 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10CM
10:32 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:37 shinohai Also appears there are some eth users that are going to preserve old chain "Teh REALLY REAL ethereum" http://archive.is/Uf9nW
10:38 BingoBoingo ty
10:41 BingoBoingo shinohai: editing "troubled altcoin" to more accurate "flaming tire fire in a shitpit"
10:42 shinohai kk
10:50 BingoBoingo shinohai: let me know if other new lulz are acceptable
10:51 shinohai I'm sure they will be fine, I'm still at least another year away until I can rattle off lulz in the same manner.
10:52 BingoBoingo Well can't help time
10:53 deedbot [Qntra] Ether Huffers Continue Fall Into Depravity - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/
11:06 thestringpuller Dat short sell tho
11:06 thestringpuller why did i even come to work today
11:12 thestringpuller ;;calc 81690479 * 3.50
11:12 gribble 285916676.5
11:13 thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4rbff1/what_will_happen_to_exchange_trading_duringpost/ << wow this is interesting
11:13 thestringpuller so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut
11:22 shinohai Well looks like Hillary dodged a bullet with the feebs
11:30 asciilifeform muppetshow, snore.
11:30 thestringpuller asciilifeform: only cares about his computer bretheren
11:30 thestringpuller pretty sure when the machines take over that calculator will remember how well asciilifeform took care of it
11:31 asciilifeform just not esp. excited about rigged matches.
11:31 thestringpuller even if its proof of scam?
11:31 trinque thing's well proved at this point.
11:32 thestringpuller so said the prosecution when pursuing OJ
11:32 thestringpuller glove don't fit, you must acquit
11:32 asciilifeform not every muppet knows that it is a muppet.
11:32 asciilifeform http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2005/kermit-visits-doctor.jpg << oblig.
11:36 shinohai I am convinced that asciilifeform is really just some sort of AI comprised of Elbrus chips.
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12:05 mircea_popescu thestringpuller iirc that's in trilema somewhere :D
12:07 deedbot [Qntra] FBI Stooge Affirms Clinton Privilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/fbi-stooge-affirms-clinton-privilege/
12:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497324 <<what'd it do nao.
12:07 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 12:30 shinohai: Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit.
12:07 phf he's probably just reading it :>
12:08 mircea_popescu ahahaha wut.
12:09 BingoBoingo ?
12:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497337 << this is how you train sluts. "there's one pair of panties in the entire house, whichever wakes up first gets them.
12:09 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 13:45 phf: the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform
12:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nobody read mysql what. it's automatically generated code on the basis of an old instance of lotus 1-2-3
12:10 BingoBoingo AHA
12:11 shinohai Nah, it was just setup woes on a remote Ubuntu server, which is getting replaced with Deb as we speak. Hopefully will go a bit smoother.
12:12 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/ <<< bwahahah
12:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497356 << hey, gotta try and pickle the corpse somehow.
12:13 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 15:13 thestringpuller: so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut
12:14 mircea_popescu (this, incidentally, was the main and is now the ~only reason for the ethereum hard fork. give a plausible excuse as to why nobody's trading it)
12:15 mircea_popescu usg wants to save poloniex (ie, the owners, while somewhat tools, dun wanna be all-the-way tools) so you know, it'll just delist ethereum and that's that.
12:15 mircea_popescu ready to go for the next reiteration of "oh noes, a-guy-that-isn't-mp-i-can-tell-by-some-signapixels beat the shit out of our bitcoin weakening improvements, so now we're making a shitcoin alternative to take over".
12:15 mircea_popescu dat pendulum doth swing.
12:17 mircea_popescu this being the seal on the deal : "Also, be extra careful with leveraged positions. For example, if you have leveraged ETH long pre-fork, you may end up with TWO leveraged long positions of ETH1 and ETH2 post-fork, with each position value at only a fraction of pre-fork ETH."
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12:33 thestringpuller I thought that poloniex exists entirely to allow whales to take money from altcoin scammers...
12:40 asciilifeform 'In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual tr
12:40 asciilifeform ansparency is in order. Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a
12:40 asciilifeform person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.'
12:40 asciilifeform (fbi dir. comey)
12:40 asciilifeform heil clitler.
12:40 shinohai o/
12:41 asciilifeform what, genuinely thought she was prosecutable ?
12:41 * trinque factors reasonable considerations, comes up with "No."
12:42 trinque heh, so similar situations like Petraeus
12:43 asciilifeform 'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.'
12:43 asciilifeform I AM NOT A CROOK!!!11111 (tm) (r)
12:45 asciilifeform the man was telling the truth re 'no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case'. unless 'reasonable' can somehow include 'wants to be nailgunned'
12:54 mircea_popescu "whales"
12:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out, the clapham omnibus prosecutor! novel us doctrine!
12:55 mircea_popescu i thought "our system" was such that the prosecutor, aiming for political office in a decade, will pursue the most fantastic claims out of a misguided desire for publicity, and then cover up the various fabrications. you know, like mayor of new york and ex bhahara giuliani ?
12:55 mircea_popescu apparently they changed the system.
12:56 asciilifeform picture if sov prosecutor tried to indict brezhnev
12:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497399 << check it out, he thinks himself mp!
12:56 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 16:43 asciilifeform: 'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.'
12:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't there that joke with the drunk driving ?
12:57 mircea_popescu "i dunno, but brejnev was driving him!"
13:07 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
13:07 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 669.99, vol: 3056.57236577 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 656.653, vol: 5709.61319 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 671.19, vol: 19882.569183 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 620.0, vol: 0.10022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 676.3005, vol: 37154.05810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 673.76, vol: 885.80969504 | Volume-weighted last average: 672.771656934
13:09 phf fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld
13:09 phf fe[nl]ix: currently QPX cannot be effectively profiled and that sucks
13:09 phf asciilifeform: ^
13:10 phf in case you're wondering who's driving the core of sbcl dev
13:10 asciilifeform it is still developed ?!
13:11 phf what is still developed?
13:11 asciilifeform sbcl
13:11 phf i thought ecl and sbcl are the only lisps that are in active development
13:13 phf unless you're saying that you've been running your own personal fork for years and is ignorant of any going ons around the platform
13:13 asciilifeform more or less
13:14 asciilifeform did i miss anything ?
13:15 phf not particularly, just the fact that sbcl development is now handled by google
13:17 asciilifeform sad
13:18 thestringpuller ;;seen jurov
13:18 gribble jurov was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 37 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <jurov> if i did that, i'd get crazy, too
13:18 thestringpuller $google slovenian time
13:19 deedbot http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/slovenia/ljubljana << Current Local Time in Ljubljana, Slovenia | http://www.sloveniatimes.com/ << The Slovenia Times - Daily News and Features from Slovenia ... | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_SI.aspx << Current local time in Slovenia
13:19 asciilifeform thestringpuller: iirc he is in slovakia, but same time belt
13:30 phf "he's from somewhere near transylvania. he has this whole dracula-cowboy thing about him."
13:32 jurov wut
13:33 deedbot [Qntra] Novel Business Idea - http://qntra.net/2016/07/novel-business-idea/
13:33 jurov i do live in carpathians, but near the more boring end :D
13:44 BingoBoingo Next qntra to hit deedbot is for alf
13:45 deedbot [Qntra] Counterpoint: Maybe Comey Didn't Want To "Crush His Own Throat" #ClintonPrivilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/counterpoint-maybe-comey-didnt-want-to-crush-his-own-throat-clintonprivilege/
13:45 shinohai BingoBoingo on a roll today
13:45 BingoBoingo A lot of things are coming together today
13:49 thestringpuller It's a good news day.
13:51 asciilifeform in not-quite-nyooz, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18880654/why-do-i-get-the-same-sequence-for-every-run-with-stdrandom-device-with-mingw
14:04 shinohai http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ <<< this subreddit has potential.
14:08 trinque "Will fuck my father for 2 minutes and upload video for $50 USD in bitcoin." << slut either has an old boyfriend, or would've fucked her dad for $0
14:08 trinque I call shenanigans.
14:18 shinohai xD
14:25 ben_vulpes http://cruisingwithgunhead.tumblr.com/post/146941117989/new-aesthetic-via-this-guy-irl-on-twitter << nobody could have predicted their using the optic nerve as a weapon
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14:57 BingoBoingo Also look what place is capable of upboating more than reddit: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/1152197/5713439
14:58 asciilifeform $s arkencide
14:58 a111 1 results for "arkencide", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=arkencide
14:58 deedbot [Qntra] CoinJoin Not A Privacy Tool After All - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinjoin-not-a-privacy-tool-after-all/
14:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: lol
14:59 asciilifeform https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/qBVPNvLPjxw/L18xF9cmS7EJ
15:00 asciilifeform Official Truth re same: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
15:00 BingoBoingo More R-kensaw https://i.sli.mg/dXBJxR.png
15:02 BingoBoingo Request: pls to let me know if I left any qntra posts about spree killings out of the "weather" category http://qntra.net/category/weather/
15:04 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/#comment-63127
15:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
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15:34 BingoBoingo 8======D ~~~~o O-;
15:42 wyrdmantis $key mod6
15:42 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f8f3ac91-5161-41eb-85fb-6e3d5d38ba2e/
15:44 wyrdmantis $key asciilifeform
15:44 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/003c8703-b24a-42dd-9ddc-a74536efcc25/
15:52 asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI
15:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:02 asciilifeform soooo it appears that we do not have ~any~ recipe posted for building vtronic trb ?
16:02 asciilifeform or did i misplace.
16:06 wyrdmantis i need it very much because i'm n00b
16:10 jurov wyrdmantis: you need to get stator and press the sources in directory where stator expects them
16:10 asciilifeform stator is obsolete
16:10 asciilifeform use rotor.
16:10 asciilifeform (builds with musl, instead of glibc)
16:23 * wyrdmantis groans
16:23 asciilifeform wyrdmantis: your best bet is to wait for mod6 to wake up, iirc he had a draft of a recipe somewhere
16:24 wyrdmantis ok, thanks asciilifeform
16:30 trinque $s http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
16:30 a111 7 results for "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdeedbot.org%2Fbuild-bitcoind-V99995.sh
16:30 trinque wyrdmantis: ^ afaik that's the latest build script.
16:31 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1482967
16:31 a111 Logged on 2016-06-15 00:24 mod6: so looks like openssl did change to https, and if you want to build with 'http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh', for the time being simply update the script by changing line 63 from:
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16:51 wyrdmantis trinque thanks, i'm trying to follow this > http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
16:51 wyrdmantis with no luck
16:52 trinque "no luck" is a terrible bug report!!!111!
16:52 wyrdmantis it keep saying: Impossible to verify the sig: No public key
16:53 wyrdmantis Lol
16:53 trinque it's telling you the truth
16:53 wyrdmantis i know that between the two he is right and i'm wrong
16:53 jurov wyrdmantis: you're supposed to gather the pubkeys yourself
16:54 wyrdmantis i've followed the guide literally
16:54 trinque wyrdmantis: it assumes you know how to operate gpg
16:55 trinque go find the key it's asking for and import that
16:55 jurov and it assumes you know how to operate bash, too (to get more helpful information about failure, add set -x to the script)
17:09 ben_vulpes buildroot sig?
17:13 BingoBoingo $uo TheFactory7
17:15 BingoBoingo $up TheFactory7
17:15 deedbot TheFactory7 voiced for 30 minutes.
17:19 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI << Is this necessary?
17:19 mod6 o.O
17:19 mod6 I know it still points there.
17:21 mod6 As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them.
17:21 TheFactory7 did you see netki raising money and working on know your customer aml integration on wallets?
17:21 mod6 shinohai, trinque ^ can someone please help me out with this? or do I not need an account to make the change?
17:23 mod6 ;;later tell wyrdmantis Yea, you need to gather the wot keys manually, this is by design. Please stop back in if you need more assistance.
17:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:23 asciilifeform mod6: wyrdmantis showed up asking for handbook, and i had nfi what to give him.
17:24 asciilifeform TheFactory7: did you see, somewhere in rural china a pig is eating shit ? even as we speak ?
17:24 shinohai hue
17:24 trinque shinohai: you gonna swap them to dash or somethin?
17:24 shinohai mod6: I could try to change it to underscores maybe
17:24 trinque dash plspls
17:25 shinohai ok dashes
17:25 * trinque offers again to just give ssh access to a dir somewhere over wiki
17:25 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10IU <<< test messages per your last instructions
17:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:25 mod6 shinohai: please, please.
17:25 mod6 asciilifeform: calm down.
17:25 mod6 everything that is required to do for anyone is in wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
17:25 trinque asciilifeform likes to pretend he is sgt ru.mil!1!11!
17:26 mod6 it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc"
17:26 asciilifeform mod6: i was damn sure there was a draft cookbook but i slept through it, and it was not yet posted to trb www.
17:26 asciilifeform mod6: but i guess i dreamed it
17:27 BingoBoingo shinohai: better, but SHA512 instead of SHA256
17:27 mod6 There is some extensive documentation to my V. Indeed, and we aspired to make the build recipie as simple as possible for the whole orchastra. So DPB (?) wrote it up and posted it at the previously linked place.
17:27 shinohai Oh shit, my bad.
17:27 mod6 I will not relink any new article until it is a sane url.
17:28 TheFactory7 asciilifeform: no need to go to china for that
17:28 asciilifeform TheFactory7: point being, i have nfi why anyone here would care whether some derp somewhere implemented usg's kyc
17:29 asciilifeform i could be wrong.
17:33 mod6 <+mod6> it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc" << perhaps a parenthitical needs to be added to this that says: (This is a manual process.)
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17:53 mod6 $up wyrdmantis
17:53 deedbot wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes.
17:54 shinohai trinque: links at top of wiki still non-functional for me as well
17:55 shinohai Also, doesn't appear once article is made that I can change title, unless I am missing something.
17:56 mod6 Thanks for checking that otu
17:57 shinohai Meaning I guess that I will have to redo the whole shebang, sorry guise
17:57 mod6 no sweat either way.
17:57 mod6 maybe trinque has a way around this; may be best to see what he says first before you rework the whole shebang
18:01 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4738
18:03 shinohai `Dindustan`
18:07 BingoBoingo What, they dindu it?
18:13 trinque mod6: shinohai: we might want to switch to a better wiki if we're talking about a redo
18:13 trinque if that thing doesn't have article name editing I'd have to add it, and I'd rather not end up developing cliki
18:13 mod6 yeah, alternatively i might just stand one up for the foundation
18:13 trinque cliki seems like it sucks
18:13 mod6 and, i think we're just gonna change course here on that page "The Real Bitcoin"
18:13 mod6 we'll just get the HTML and post it right to the foundation instead.
18:13 mod6 problem solved.
18:13 trinque I'm for that
18:15 jurov O.o and how can be a wiki so slow?
18:16 trinque eh it's just on a busy box
18:16 mod6 asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ?
18:17 asciilifeform it is horribly out of date.
18:17 asciilifeform zoolag = 72.83.9.184
18:17 trinque mod6: 172.86.178.46 << deedbot
18:17 asciilifeform incitatus is long dead
18:17 mod6 trinque: is that the deedbot trb ip then?
18:17 asciilifeform bucephalus is dead until the next time i can get to it, which won't be for ages
18:17 trinque mod6: yeah
18:18 asciilifeform 'mine' is mircea_popescu's box and it doesn't ping and hasn't in eons
18:18 asciilifeform and i have nfi what he did with it
18:18 asciilifeform 'coracle' belongs to ben_vulpes and also hasn't worked in eons
18:18 asciilifeform this rounds out the list.
18:20 asciilifeform $up Joshua-I
18:20 deedbot Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
18:20 mod6 i've got one that isn't public facing, but maybe i'll open it up
18:20 mod6 not right this second, but soon
18:25 Joshua-I Hey I'm friends with Gabe.
18:25 Joshua-I Haven't read all the logs yet, but I'm getting around to it
18:26 asciilifeform Joshua-I: have pgp key ?
18:26 Joshua-I Yeah I reg'd it
18:26 asciilifeform go ahead and test
18:26 Joshua-I Not rated so I can't up myself yet
18:30 asciilifeform $rate Joshua-I 1 new blood.
18:30 mod6 ok so the Foundation homepage has been updated with a new link -- the page is stored locally.
18:30 Joshua-I Thank you very much
18:30 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
18:30 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6da027a3-9d45-405c-8c63-4803a02bbae4/
18:31 mod6 In the next day or so, I'll get a full list of trusted nodes still up and update the page with that as well.
18:31 asciilifeform $v D9B383045782564C09497E8D018408F4A7BA94601C7C1FC750C7C8372CF7936A
18:31 deedbot asciilifeform rated Joshua-I 1 << new blood.
18:35 mod6 alright.
18:35 mod6 i just added a trusted nodes page with: deedbot's, zoolag's and pete d's ips: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
18:35 mod6 this is now linked from the home page as well.
18:35 mod6 hope this helps.
18:36 mod6 All: Let me know if you have a fully sync'd node (and you're in my WoT) and would like to be in this list. Thanks in advance.
18:40 * asciilifeform cringes at reference to 'trusted' ips.
18:45 mod6 what would you hvae me change in either of the pages?
~ 24 minutes ~
19:09 shinohai I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
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19:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497413 << does this make sense ?
19:43 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 17:09 phf: fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld
19:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497441 << easy enough to check.
19:46 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 18:04 shinohai: http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ <<< this subreddit has potential.
19:48 shinohai mircea_popescu: the collectalldrugs "girl" refused my request to come here and show tits.
19:49 mircea_popescu heh
19:50 mircea_popescu oh, did you submit the thing
19:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497498 << the problem is that currently foreigners aiming to become citizens have no clear path to follow. this hasta be resolved, there must be a well maintained page somewhere they can find and follow.
19:54 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 21:21 mod6: As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them.
19:56 mircea_popescu mod6 oh, nm, it's in http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin ? kay then.
19:58 mircea_popescu $help
19:58 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
20:06 mircea_popescu that should hold us for a while then.
20:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497549 << is not. missing 91.218.246.31 ; 46.166.170.208 etc.
20:11 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 22:16 mod6: asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ?
20:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << his problems is that ips aren't that strong an identification. nothing can be done about it for now, so whatevs.
20:13 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
20:14 shinohai This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately.
20:14 mircea_popescu myea
20:15 Joshua-I Cool! So voicing myself worked. Sorry about leaving abruptly earlier: my free wifi time was up just as I logged in here
20:16 mircea_popescu welcome
20:16 Joshua-I Anyway, executive summary is I do web development typically
20:16 Joshua-I Ty mircea
20:17 Joshua-I And I've been hanging out with Gabe
20:17 mircea_popescu what's a gabe ?
20:18 Joshua-I http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/ <-- him
20:21 asciilifeform 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin to become a citizen.' << this is open invitation to kako to emplace goatse
20:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << mno. there is no mitm countermeasure because bitcoin nodes have no identity.
20:22 a111 Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
20:22 trinque mod6 │ http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
20:22 asciilifeform trinque: neato
20:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497604 << of naked tcp, aha.
20:23 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 00:14 shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately.
20:24 Joshua-I Mmm excellent
20:24 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu try as i might, i can't get the comment-staleness thing to work
20:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:26 trinque mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki
20:26 asciilifeform has anyone other than phf gotten it to work 100% ?
20:26 trinque I see value in keeping old tutorials available as historical items, for one
20:26 asciilifeform (complete with enabling all antispam, etc)
20:27 shinohai Working on it asciilifeform ... I just haven't had a decent box to run it all on
20:27 asciilifeform even after adding the necessary hooks to the comments.php from particular theme, and the resulting html follows the pattern seen on mircea_popescu's site, i still get 'stale' error
20:28 asciilifeform when submitting comment.
20:28 asciilifeform unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item
20:29 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/#comment-63145
20:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016-info/hillary-protection/hillary-protection-2016.htm << possibly entertaining, clitler's guards
20:33 Joshua-I Guess I'll set up that trusted node stuff in a vm
20:33 Joshua-I bbl going for dinner
20:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform got a better link ?
20:45 asciilifeform for which
20:45 mircea_popescu the goatse
20:45 asciilifeform trb? trinque made one
20:45 asciilifeform see l0gz from last hour
20:46 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:47 mircea_popescu now then. what coment staleness ?
20:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497623 << might be worth a shot
20:48 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 00:26 trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki
20:48 asciilifeform 'Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again.' << that one.
20:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497630 << notrly the whole purpose, but a good chunk sure.
20:48 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 00:28 asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item
20:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform link me to your instlal again what was it ?
20:49 asciilifeform asciilifeform.com
20:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're missing comment_post_time
20:50 mircea_popescu $comment_post_time
20:50 mircea_popescu $s comment_post_time
20:50 a111 5 results for "comment_post_time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=comment_post_time
20:50 asciilifeform ah hm
20:51 asciilifeform where does it go
20:53 mircea_popescu either lift it from his patch or else put it in the theme comments under comment_post_ID
20:53 asciilifeform and yeah it worx, ty
20:53 mircea_popescu win.
20:54 asciilifeform except hm
20:54 mircea_popescu and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening ; gpg comments ; auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc.
20:54 asciilifeform does login persist by ip ?
20:54 asciilifeform why does commenting inside fresh browser instance end up 'admin'
20:54 mircea_popescu only admin login should exist ; works by cookie
20:55 asciilifeform hm dun seem to actually work
20:55 asciilifeform other than as logged in user
20:55 asciilifeform try it
20:56 asciilifeform it goes to mod queue
20:56 asciilifeform but with 0 feedback to commenter
20:56 asciilifeform just pops right back up at the form with empty contents
21:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so add feedback if you want feedback.
21:00 mircea_popescu trilema has a info bit above the comment box instead.
21:01 asciilifeform i have genuinely nfi how and where.
21:02 asciilifeform there is a built-in 'if comment_approved' thing in the themes
21:02 asciilifeform but for some reason the flag is not present ?
21:02 asciilifeform this is particular to wp-mp
21:03 mircea_popescu lol that's not claled "it dun work" now is it. for instance, if youy;d like your current "Your email is never published nor shared. Required fields are marked *" to read like my "If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed." then grep for the first string replace with 2nd string.
21:03 mircea_popescu "if comment_approved" can't be a flag at post time.
21:03 asciilifeform in STOCK wp, it is !
21:03 asciilifeform for fucks sake
21:03 asciilifeform hitting 'submit' to be presented with the original page and blank form and NO indication of what happened, is nonsense
21:04 mircea_popescu b
21:04 mircea_popescu b
21:04 asciilifeform and this is not what happens on trilema
21:04 mircea_popescu damn. how would the machinery know at the time someone hits submit whether you'l lapprove it later or not ?
21:04 asciilifeform it knows that it is in the mod queue
21:04 asciilifeform vs immediately-approved
21:05 mircea_popescu ok, so you want it to do a "your comment is awaiting moderation" thing ?
21:05 asciilifeform aha
21:05 asciilifeform most of the themes appear to already have the hook
21:05 mircea_popescu guess what : trilema does this
21:05 mircea_popescu (try, see)
21:06 asciilifeform test (Your comment is awaiting moderation)
21:06 mircea_popescu aha.
21:06 asciilifeform so, how ??
21:07 mircea_popescu teh... normal way ?
21:07 mircea_popescu iirc phf's install does it also.
21:08 asciilifeform it does
21:08 asciilifeform but he never published his theme
21:08 asciilifeform so i have nfi how !
21:09 asciilifeform default theme does no such thing
21:09 mircea_popescu i thought he was using teh default.
21:09 asciilifeform apparently not
21:10 mircea_popescu weird shit.
21:10 mircea_popescu grep for the string what you got there ?
21:11 asciilifeform it is in wp-includes/comment-template.php
21:11 mircea_popescu no, in comments.php
21:11 asciilifeform not in the default theme !
21:11 mircea_popescu well possibly because it doesn't support this.
21:11 asciilifeform the only place in mp tarball that has it
21:11 mircea_popescu obviously. if the text not there you ain't getting it.
21:11 asciilifeform is the template.
21:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mp tarball does not include a theme.
21:11 asciilifeform my theme has it !
21:12 mircea_popescu dude...
21:12 asciilifeform yes i know
21:12 mircea_popescu <? if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><em>(Your comment is awaiting moderation)</em> << in comments.php, where you want it posted.
21:12 asciilifeform <?php if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><span class="unapproved"><?php _e('Your comment is awaiting moderation.', 'veryplaintxt') ?></span><?php endif; ?>
21:12 asciilifeform yes.
21:12 asciilifeform there it is.
21:12 asciilifeform and 0 effect.
21:12 mircea_popescu weird.
21:13 mircea_popescu wtf is "php _e" ?
21:13 asciilifeform how the hell would i know
21:13 mircea_popescu apparently your interpreter doesn't either.
21:13 mircea_popescu nfi what _e function is, myself.
21:13 asciilifeform https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/_e << appears to be a thing..?
21:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. a thing introduced after 2008
21:14 mircea_popescu stick to echo.
21:14 asciilifeform my php has it
21:14 asciilifeform or, e.g., 'Post a Comment' would likewise fail to appear.
21:15 asciilifeform and numerous other strings similarly encrudded in the theme.
21:15 asciilifeform so this isn't it.
21:15 shinohai php _e <<< that is a wordpress turd that makes it display in multiple languages iirc
21:15 trinque yeah but the span doesn't appear either
21:15 trinque in teh html sauce
21:16 asciilifeform waiwut
21:17 asciilifeform <h3 id="respond"><?php _e('Post a Comment', 'veryplaintxt') ?></h3> becomes <h3 id="respond">Post a Comment</h3>
21:17 asciilifeform so i dun see the problem ?
21:18 trinque if _e were emitting empty string that'd be one thing
21:18 trinque but the span around it doesn't show up in the source on the next page after POST
21:19 trinque asciilifeform: maybe <pre><?php print_r($comment) ?></pre> in that template somewhere
21:19 trinque or whatever it was, it's been a while
21:22 asciilifeform trinque: and this will tell me what ?
21:23 trinque print_r will dump the contents of that var into the template
21:26 asciilifeform trinque: i have nfi where.
21:27 asciilifeform or why i should be spending time emplacing 1,001 printf debuggeries
21:27 asciilifeform when this thing apparently WORKS in mircea_popescu's unpublished original.
21:28 asciilifeform i confess that i have not found this exercise to be either pleasant, or educational, or productive.
21:28 asciilifeform it is about as much fun as reading cobol.
21:28 trinque ahaha
21:30 trinque there is always "not to be"
21:31 asciilifeform phf apparently knows enough to replicate working setup without the missing pieces and without using the pig-ugly default theme.
21:31 asciilifeform i - do not.
21:34 asciilifeform i will become a php monkey shortly after i learn to run the deep fryers at mickeydee's.
21:35 asciilifeform how the fuck do folks put up with a thing with no debugger ?
21:37 trinque it's an overgrown templating language that came of needing to turn db queries into html and not much else
21:37 trinque written by some guy that needed to make a website one time
21:40 trinque even if you had your debugger it wouldn't be meaningfully attached to the browser
21:40 trinque sure there's skewer and whatever other *awful* madness I've dipped my dick into now and again
21:40 asciilifeform even half a debugger, that meaningfully steps through the process of shitting out the html, would be useful
21:41 trinque runs afoul of your "no, whole earth must burn" though
21:41 asciilifeform it must.
21:41 trinque I agree 100%
21:43 trinque and hell, you want a proper blog^H^H^H^H command line interface to a bunch of articles gimmeh teh gossipd
21:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497752 << yeah. you're also infinitely more expensive to support. i'm guessing maybe this is just not for you ?
21:44 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 01:31 asciilifeform: i - do not.
21:44 mircea_popescu no idea how that'd be possibru in computing, but somehow apparently.
21:44 asciilifeform it is quite possible, this cobol is ~entirely foreign to me.
21:44 mircea_popescu but yes, trinque has it : html crap is by definition undebuggable.
21:44 asciilifeform back when i set up original www, i used a heathen shitpress with as much as could be removed.
21:44 asciilifeform and the result ~worked.
21:45 asciilifeform and left it at that.
21:45 asciilifeform this was in 2007.
21:46 mircea_popescu well so copy it over or w/e.
21:46 asciilifeform i don't want to akismet any moar !
21:46 mircea_popescu ah. well, maybe let it be give it another try once shinohai produced a version.
21:46 trinque then bite the dowel and put the print_r in
21:46 asciilifeform i'ma install it trb-style
21:46 asciilifeform which is to say, once somebody shares a COMPLETE package
21:47 asciilifeform without 'now re-invent this wheel i didn't feel like posting'
21:47 shinohai TIL php may possibly be asciilifeform 's kryptonite
21:47 mircea_popescu ...
21:47 asciilifeform shinohai: i always despised wwwtronics and made no secret of it.
21:48 shinohai :D
21:48 trinque god I think I have surrogate indigestion
21:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ironically, if your original is from 2007, mp-wp should work with your theme out of the box.
21:49 mircea_popescu maybe try that.
21:49 asciilifeform i specifically wanted a new site, independent of old and producing no down time when tweaked
21:50 asciilifeform and i dun like me old theme either
21:50 asciilifeform it sux quite mightily, as discussed in original thread
21:50 asciilifeform (mutilated images)
21:50 mircea_popescu ah.
21:50 asciilifeform was trying for clean start here.
21:50 mircea_popescu well then find a theme that doesn't suck.
21:50 asciilifeform i did !
21:50 mircea_popescu "fails to do what i want with queued comments" = sucks.
21:50 asciilifeform and it run work with mp-wp
21:50 asciilifeform though it was written for 2.x !
21:50 asciilifeform *dun work
21:50 mircea_popescu mno. you found a theme that sucks. find a theme that doesn't suck
21:51 asciilifeform where?!
21:51 mircea_popescu where "does exactly what i want" = not sucks
21:51 asciilifeform i tried dozens
21:51 mircea_popescu well that i dunno.
21:51 asciilifeform they all suck.
21:51 mircea_popescu hm.
21:51 asciilifeform so answer seems to be 'write theme'
21:51 mircea_popescu this complaint i heard befoar.
21:51 asciilifeform which phf is qualified to do, and i am not.
21:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, eventually serenity is gonna produce one i think.
21:51 asciilifeform then i will use, and say 'thank you'
21:51 mircea_popescu cool. not emergency anyway.
21:52 mircea_popescu but odds are you'll say "this doesn't work".
21:52 asciilifeform but i'm a bit sad that there is no place to put the submarine pics.
21:52 asciilifeform they were spiffy.
21:53 mircea_popescu incidentally, if any web / css / designer people wants to do something useful, an old amiga/dos style theme for the tmsr wp would be apparently mucho appreciated.
21:54 asciilifeform muchly so.
21:54 asciilifeform or even simply a plain text, minimal bytemass sort of thing.
21:55 asciilifeform i dun so much care that it 'looks like commodore64' but it really ought to fit in the address space of one.
21:55 asciilifeform simply matter of principle.
21:55 asciilifeform 200kB css is loathesome.
21:59 Joshua-I Interesting. I'll look at some c64 UIs to get a feel
22:05 Joshua-I This is neat: https://wordpress.org/themes/commodore/
22:06 Joshua-I demo: http://unitednetworksonline.com/themes/commodore/
22:06 asciilifeform i had no doubt that this exists.
22:06 asciilifeform but i'd rather just have a <64kB thing.
22:06 asciilifeform that i could read + understand.
22:07 Joshua-I Like css wise right
22:07 asciilifeform whole mass minus payload.
22:07 asciilifeform and ditto on server side.
22:08 Joshua-I Wondering if that's even possible with wp
~ 29 minutes ~
22:38 BingoBoingo Joshua-I: You obviously haven't seen qntra theme
22:38 Joshua-I Yeah I did a quick check and the answer is yes
22:39 Joshua-I I have seen it just though jquery was built right in there, since I've never seen wp without it
22:39 Joshua-I thought*
22:40 BingoBoingo And no, qntra theme has not yet been tested with mp-wp. Runs own wp fork.
22:40 BingoBoingo Which is still different from thedrinkingrecord.com wp fork.
~ 19 minutes ~
23:00 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/Kv9GOVZ.png
23:10 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
23:11 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 677.03, vol: 3280.11410402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 659.208, vol: 5607.44156 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 677.82, vol: 18782.23503567 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.0, vol: 1.12022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.36845, vol: 36156.96860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 679.98, vol: 1004.31958923 | Volume-weighted last average: 679.854440681
23:17 Joshua-I Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around
23:26 BingoBoingo Prolly best to read the last monthe first and then jump back to 2013
23:27 BingoBoingo Just want the most recent month to put history into context
23:28 Joshua-I Hm ok thanks
23:30 BingoBoingo Or mebbe start in January 2016 and read to no and then do 2015, 2014, and 2013
23:30 BingoBoingo Lots of ways to break it up.
23:31 BingoBoingo But hanbot's 6 month quote was from 3 years ago so I assume best to to just read ONLY six months of logz and be like "I r Bitcoin nao"
23:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497830 << make sure you're working off the correct version.
23:35 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 02:08 Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp
23:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497840 << logs stretch out to 2012. at this point prolly best approach is to put word of your interest in search, read the results and the references.
23:37 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 03:17 Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around
23:40 mircea_popescu and in udder baltimore news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8231ba173d2c6988fdf7d67788c7cd54/tumblr_nd97jtht0E1tgqup7o1_400.gif
23:50 Joshua-I I have some guddens for sure
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