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00:07 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/annuitcoeptis/
00:13 mircea_popescu lol not bad oglaf.
00:14 mircea_popescu didn't alfred wainwright invent nude fell walking ?
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00:28 BingoBoingo likely
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01:04 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1053324101 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Niel Ambroz <niel.ambroz@ucw.cz>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F4414C79945FFC7B74189D650F0F50DE2A2091A0B09A532FBF63726E52980316
01:05 mircea_popescu whoa nelly that's a first factor! and of a proper exponent (65537(
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01:05 mircea_popescu check it out asciilifeform we've got a whole new bidniss here!
01:08 mircea_popescu 2009-11-03 1kb key, seems to have been in earnest use at some point back then
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01:53 mircea_popescu http://alexanderstreet.com/page/about-us << check out the new generation of pederasts trying to milk the "intellectual property" faucet
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02:35 deedbot [Trilema] Manpower - http://trilema.com/2016/manpower/
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06:29 asciilifeform ;;later tell trinque phuctor feed here misses ~half of events...
06:29 gribble The operation succeeded.
06:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473538 << eh nothing new, this kind of atrocity dates to '90s even.
06:31 asciilifeform 'authorized full test!11111 for authorized aryans!'
06:31 asciilifeform *full text
06:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473535 << eh we had one last week
06:32 asciilifeform and where the fuck is a111 ?
06:33 asciilifeform this is a disgrace.
06:41 mircea_popescu lol hai alf.
06:43 mircea_popescu anyway, no, the specific scam in question is that ~lists~ are copyrightable no matter their components, and these cocksuckers are trying to make LISTS of ancient / public domain / copyright freee items and then perversely claim copyright in them because "it's in our list", which is a bullshit claim but then again the us entirely runs on vapors and bullshit claims.
06:58 mircea_popescu somewhat disappointingly, if i grep the phuctored page for "ambroz" i discover the latest discovery is printed mid page. the rss page rescues the very recent - latest few items - but does nothing for the rest.
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06:58 mircea_popescu in any case, i recall seeing in here reported the last 3 items there. and 4tyh. and 5th. can't be ~half now can it.
06:59 mircea_popescu 6th an' 7th as well.
07:07 mircea_popescu in other lolz, blondy in train, puts her samsonite up, sits down, next movement of the train the thing falls on her head.
07:07 mircea_popescu "o my god, that looked bad, how's your head ?"
07:07 mircea_popescu "fine, it was empty."
07:08 mircea_popescu "and the bag ?"
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08:30 BingoBoingo Selection https://i.imgur.com/czUw8iF.jpg
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09:51 deedbot [Trilema] That books are dead, and had an easy death does not mean the orphan bookworms are spared their slow motion Holocaust. - http://trilema.com/2016/that-books-are-dead-and-had-an-easy-death-does-not-mean-the-orphan-bookworms-are-spared-their-slow-motion-holocaust/
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09:56 mircea_popescu ^ in lulzy romanian drama, local "intellectual" wipes his blog within minutes of trilema article.
09:59 shinohai Hey asciilifeform looks like you left Chicago before the party really got started: http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2016/05/30/22637783.html
10:00 asciilifeform l0l!
10:00 asciilifeform small party tho.
10:01 shinohai No better way to observe memorial day than dress only in a flag.
10:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473558 << i just now finished reading this and did not find the books-are-dead thing inside! i am disappoint!111
10:01 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 13:51 deedbot: [Trilema] That books are dead, and had an easy death does not mean the orphan bookworms are spared their slow motion Holocaust. - http://trilema.com/2016/that-books-are-dead-and-had-an-easy-death-does-not-mean-the-orphan-bookworms-are-spared-their-slow-motion-holocaust/
10:01 mircea_popescu but it is ? first link.
10:02 mircea_popescu shinohai maybe if the flags had more see through.
10:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suppose we have differing notions of alive?
10:03 mircea_popescu i suppose you just favour peculiar brands of necrophillia
10:04 asciilifeform 'that is not dead we can eternal fuck! and with strange eons even death can cuck'
10:05 mircea_popescu hey, i'm not one to normate the pleasures of others. if you're happy with her, who cares she died a while ago.
10:05 mircea_popescu she certainly doesn't.
10:06 asciilifeform thing is, books were 'alive' for small bursts through the ages. consider medieval scholars - theirs were quite as dead as mine.
10:06 mircea_popescu theirs were also properly called vellum rolls, rather than books.
10:06 mircea_popescu much in the way the "alive part" of books is now called blogs.
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10:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473550 << i'ma fix this in next rev.
10:09 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 10:58 mircea_popescu: somewhat disappointingly, if i grep the phuctored page for "ambroz" i discover the latest discovery is printed mid page. the rss page rescues the very recent - latest few items - but does nothing for the rest.
10:10 asciilifeform it is quite lame yes
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10:43 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand looks like dulap is back to rebooting by itself.
10:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:43 asciilifeform was nice while it lasted.
10:56 asciilifeform also mircea_popescu in the original 'books are dead' you have '...tot asa cum n-ati stiut niciodata greaca veche...' but we know you ~do~ greaca veche !
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10:56 asciilifeform what gives!
11:03 shinohai http://www.newser.com/story/225829/us-may-get-sued-for-dronestrike-on-taliban-chief.html <<< lulzy, maybe Preeeeeeet can defend.
11:10 diana_coman asciilifeform, that is broadly "just as *you* never knew ancient greek, don't come and tell *me* that you still read books" - with the very clear point that the author can and might read books just as they can and might read ancient Greek, but that's not to say anything about the general public who won't read one just as they can't/won't read the other
11:10 asciilifeform diana_coman: ah! ty
11:10 asciilifeform clearly i do not properly apprehend this particular greek yet.
11:11 diana_coman heh, ancient mp-ism already, could be, lol
11:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473575 << let's try a gedankenexperiment. take a bunch of folks who grew up on books, and another set who grew up on blogs (let's say, the spiffiest blogs!) -- and see which set can solve a set of differential equations, build a cement mixer, a house that stands up, write gcd, whatever torture test you prefer.
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11:23 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 14:06 mircea_popescu: much in the way the "alive part" of books is now called blogs.
11:25 asciilifeform fact is, EVERYONE on planet3 who is worth so much as ~two shits~, is a child of books.
11:26 asciilifeform even if he won't admit it.
11:26 diana_coman asciilifeform, my understanding is that this will however not be the case in 10 years or less basically
11:26 asciilifeform then welcome to zimbabwe.
11:26 diana_coman it's not that books were dead 15 years ago but that they are dead now
11:26 asciilifeform the folks worth so much as two shits will be 10 years older and deader
11:26 asciilifeform and fewer.
11:26 asciilifeform the biodiesel candidates, more numerous.
11:26 asciilifeform news at 11.
11:27 diana_coman hm, I think the point was that *content* of books worth saving is saved through inclusion/discussion on blogs
11:27 asciilifeform fact is, this is not happening
11:27 diana_coman hence content is still there, kids can still learn just as previous kids learnt
11:27 asciilifeform except that it isn't
11:27 asciilifeform the most that can be said is that most plain text ru material is on the pirate libs.
11:28 asciilifeform but certainly not in 'blogs'.
11:28 diana_coman hm, don't know; fwiw I was (I think it's still there even) arguing against the original article in Romanian along your current lines really
11:28 diana_coman I think I took it also very literally at that time (and myeah, I was *very* fond of books)
11:28 diana_coman well, then it should better be/be brought ?
11:29 asciilifeform diana_coman: the medium is intrinsically unfriendly on account of every-derp-can-modify.
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11:29 diana_coman basically it's a statement of facts: books are dead people, so if you want all the good and pretty to survive, best move it already
11:29 diana_coman hm, every derp can modify *your* blog?
11:29 diana_coman then it's not your blog basically...
11:30 asciilifeform diana_coman: every derp can distribute mutilated copy. the only pill against this is wot, and it remains to be seen whether the pill even works.
11:30 diana_coman uhm, so what, every derp can (and DOES) print his own books of shit
11:30 diana_coman with mutilated copy of anything
11:30 asciilifeform this was at one point expensive.
11:30 asciilifeform and generally not undertaken without a specific reason.
11:30 diana_coman well, it's not really
11:30 asciilifeform and in any case unmutilated copies abounded and could not be remotely fucked with.
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11:30 diana_coman plenty of "self-published" grand authors successes etc
11:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: i am most sympathetic to precisely the 'anyone-can-print killed the book' argument.
11:32 diana_coman well, that's already going into the reason why books are dead, so in any case you accept then that yes, books certainly ARE dead and that was the original point of the article as I read it really
11:32 diana_coman dunno, maybe it all even started with the printing press then along those lines
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11:33 asciilifeform long ago i wrote an article re the undisputably higher quality of hardware products vs software, on account of the impossibility of patching hardware
11:33 asciilifeform a similar effect applies to the book
11:34 asciilifeform which could not be fixed remotely (legends of 'great soviet encyclopaedia' owners being sent razor blade and list of what to censor notwithstanding)
11:34 asciilifeform hence more effort is put in, prior to printing
11:35 asciilifeform likewise the expense of printing/binding (and in the age of living culture it was quite expensive) was a pretty good bozo filter.
11:35 diana_coman hm, that links to me to some authors' observation that writing digitally destroys the quality of the writing because you can modify more easily what you write, hence they'd rather use a typewriter /write in ink as it "forces" them to think it through before writing it down
11:36 diana_coman to me this sounds more like a personal matter really, not sure I'm buying it as anything more than that
11:36 asciilifeform aha, smaller-scale version of the same idea
11:37 asciilifeform but i find it hard to see how it is not obvious that 'every sewer rat can publish' is a considerable damper on culture
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11:37 diana_coman in any case, I suppose you can argue it the other way: the current cheapness of keeping a blog is not necessarily here to stay
11:37 diana_coman plus it's probably not really all that cheap to have your own blog as in truly nobody can bring it down etc
11:37 asciilifeform the sewer rats impose a considerable cost on thinking folk just by being there.
11:38 asciilifeform diana_coman: generally the rats find it much more cost-effective to 'bring it down' by signal jamming
11:38 asciilifeform and, if it comes to it, news blackouts
11:38 diana_coman well, sewer rats is basically what I was calling the "mountain of idiots" and that is a generic problem, unrelated to books or writing as such
11:39 diana_coman in other words: the only solution to *that* is to..not feed /starve the rats
11:40 asciilifeform there is also another cost imposed by sewer rats, that is not solvable by technical means
11:40 diana_coman + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
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11:40 asciilifeform they result in a thickening of the mental carapace of thinking people
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11:40 diana_coman I mean: if I choose to write on paper because I like it or whatever I'm in love with paper, fine; but if I do it because of rats than all is lost already
11:40 asciilifeform do you know the stories told by math profs, of how up to 1980s or so they would accept unsolicited manuscripts purporting to prove a theorem, but then had to stop ?
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11:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473641 << where do you find this implication ?
11:41 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
11:41 asciilifeform writing on paper - or stone - today, will not help.
11:41 diana_coman well yes, not enough filters + too many idiots -> overwhelmed , certainly
11:41 asciilifeform printing is cheap enough that the rats have excellent access to it.
11:41 asciilifeform (see 'amazon press' etc.)
11:42 asciilifeform the true filter for quality technical literature remains ~vintage dead tree~.
11:42 asciilifeform i wish this were not so
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11:42 asciilifeform but it is.
11:42 diana_coman but you started from "online is not good" and then got onto " because rats"
11:42 diana_coman so either you imply that one should use something else because of rats or otherwise no, online is perfectly good, just kill the rats
11:42 asciilifeform the rats dampen ~new~ developments.
11:42 asciilifeform and wake me up when anyone discovers a means of killing them.
11:43 diana_coman they dampen anything where they thrive, that's why they are rats, no?
11:43 asciilifeform aha.
11:43 diana_coman heh, there was this discussion which might perhaps be interesting to you re freedom on trilema vs censorship of comments on public forums etc
11:44 asciilifeform to clarify, i am not 'in love with paper' so much as with 'paper whose untampered age i can smell with my nose'
11:44 asciilifeform it is a means of authentication almost as good as pgp.
11:44 diana_coman the gist of it being that rats basically do not *want* to comment on trilema for too long because they find it...very uncomfortable; so yes, they have full liberty to come and shit there and be slapped with a hammer in return, sure
11:45 asciilifeform they impose a different kind of cost on trilema.
11:45 diana_coman uhm, I found tons of shit on old pages too, maybe I just read too much through my grand parents' old books or something
11:45 asciilifeform which is that mircea_popescu has thick walls in his head covered in barbed wire, and newcomers are necessarily massaged by said barbed wire.
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11:45 asciilifeform and i have similar barbed wire in my head.
11:45 diana_coman like any sane person I suppose
11:46 asciilifeform and if it were the year 1850 and a letter that comes in can be presumed to be from a learned gentlemen simply by virtue of being a letter,
11:46 asciilifeform no barbed wire is necessary.
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11:46 asciilifeform *gentleman
11:47 asciilifeform fact is, 'intellectual rats' play similar role to 'neutron poison' in fission reactor.
11:48 asciilifeform their mere ~possibility~ inhibits.
11:48 diana_coman well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess
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11:48 asciilifeform which is why imho any future of the net as an intellectual citadel depends on tech for keeping rats out.
11:48 asciilifeform e.g., gossipd.
11:49 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjtiwFZUgAAEeHZ.jpg
11:49 asciilifeform but this is not enough, you actually need the old books.
11:49 asciilifeform without them - zimbabwe.
11:49 asciilifeform immediately.
11:50 diana_coman I think rats will also find it increasingly hard economically to do much on the net
11:50 asciilifeform on the contrary, it is ~people~ who are finding it economically hard to do much on the net.
11:50 asciilifeform for instance, even mircea_popescu does not seem to be able to find me a phuctor box that will stay up
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11:50 asciilifeform and not get molested orifices by usg
11:50 diana_coman my experience so far though has been time and time again that rats simply do not enjoy/survive areas /groups /vicinity of too many people who are clean basically
11:51 asciilifeform they die as individuals, but are immortal in the aggregate.
11:51 asciilifeform as described in mircea_popescu's 'infinite hitpoints' piece.
11:53 diana_coman certainly, my point was not that cleanliness is a way of exterminating rats but rather that cleanliness is a very good indicator of whether you find rats there or not, hence whether worth bothering with some output from there or not
11:54 asciilifeform actually these rats find nothing more appealing than a yet-un-ratted place of clean people.
11:54 asciilifeform hence why we get periodic 'ninjashogun' visitors.
11:54 diana_coman yes, question is: are they able to take over or do they get their tails burnt
11:54 diana_coman well, rats do what rats do, what else
11:55 asciilifeform the fundamental mistake is to assume that it costs us nothing to burn their tails.
11:55 diana_coman no such assumption, no
11:56 diana_coman life costs quite a lot in itself and the more elaborate you make it basically, the higher the cost, of course
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11:56 asciilifeform in other nyooz, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36412487 << buterin's waterfall to extinguish rising exchange rate just in time !
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11:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al ^
11:57 asciilifeform 'A collection of bitcoins worth about £8m, which had been confiscated by police in Australia, will be auctioned off in June. The 24,518 bitcoins will be sold mostly in blocks of 2,000 - each with a value of about £680,000.'
11:57 asciilifeform 'Ernst & Young, the firm organising the auction, said the bitcoins had been "confiscated as proceeds of crime" but did not elaborate on the case.'
12:02 diana_coman asciilifeform> but this is not enough, you actually need the old books. <- this was not contested really; the fact that books are dead doesn't mean that old books are all useless all of a sudden
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12:46 asciilifeform diana_coman: mircea_popescu and i had this wild thread where he actually pissed on the old books directly
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13:13 diana_coman I meant the *content* of the old books does not become useless all of a sudden; reading it and/or extracting it and transferring it (or not) to the new medium becomes a different occupation, much akin to reading ancient Greek basically;
13:24 asciilifeform relatedly, and hilariously, in sov era, the phrase 'classical education' meant, to educated folks, the imperial ru gymnasium, per old euro spec, with latin and greek. and ~all of the great ru writers, INCLUDING sov era, had this education, were old enough. whereas TODAY 'classical education' in ru refers to sov era school !
13:24 asciilifeform i.e. what my brother went to.
13:24 asciilifeform cultured people in all times of decline are aware of said decline.
13:26 asciilifeform (i will not dignify american school, where i went, with word 'education'. it is more of a kind of prison. where, yes, you can perhaps find the time to read books. but it is not why you are in the prison)
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13:43 phf the way i understood that old books thread is that there's no focus on building libraries, i.e. old books as an accumulation of artifacts, but where you get your own knowledge is up to you. so if ascii is keeping a collection of scanz and gives me a copy, it's both purely between us and also about ~my~ education as a cause of ascii's action
13:45 phf there will be no great library of tmsr, but on the other hand no accumulation and exchange of amulets and fetishes of knowledge, because the last can be subverted in all kinds of ways we've seen already.
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13:49 phf pre-80s hard bounds as a source of knowledge is a here and now sort of source, same way as pre-2005 amds, etc. not only is it a limited source, it is also unstable. a year from now, we're going to see all the fullstack developers switching to "classics library", and buying up last-known-prints on ebay for +++ bezzle dollars on ebay
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13:54 asciilifeform phf: in no sense different from the situation on the ground in, say, 1200s cambridge.
13:55 asciilifeform other than the lower snr.
13:55 asciilifeform and yes, the ~cultural institutions~ that produced my library, are dead as dodo.
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13:56 asciilifeform just as dead as classical greece was in 1200.
13:59 asciilifeform 'great library' is eminently possible, just waiting on gossipd.
14:00 asciilifeform same role as the walls of cambridge, with their arrow-slits.
14:01 asciilifeform not so much even against the copyrasts, thought they are pestilential like mosquitoes in some parts of the world,
14:01 asciilifeform but against the jwzs, the 'i just wanted to's, the amulet-peddlers.
14:02 phf the people who bought up all the symbolics keyboards to connect to their gaming pcs, because "dude retro switch action"
14:02 asciilifeform lulzily, i was quite disappointed with the switches.
14:02 asciilifeform (i have both types here)
14:02 asciilifeform the lack of arrow keys, at least, could be seen from photo
14:03 asciilifeform but the miserably switches, not so much.
14:03 asciilifeform *miserable
14:03 asciilifeform no click to speak of
14:03 asciilifeform quite analogous to 'linear Alps', for those who've used these.
14:04 asciilifeform phf: you reminded me of sov legend of some bloke who bought up a buncha 'deficit' bookz, e.g., complete dumas, and put an iron railroad bolt through the stack and then put on shelf, so guests wouldn't try to borrow'em
14:05 phf ahaha
14:05 asciilifeform and i imagine it must suck to be the owner of a real airplane landed on cargo cult island, it will promptly be ripped apart for parts to decorate straw planes the moment you look away
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14:05 phf no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read
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14:06 asciilifeform lulzily, in usa they print special editions of 'classics' for this use
14:06 asciilifeform you can recognize them by the gold trim
14:06 asciilifeform but if you open, it is on loathesome toilet-like paper
14:06 asciilifeform i wonder why they even bother putting in the text
14:07 asciilifeform at any rate, not all cargo cults are the same! in an american home, you are much more likely to find barbells nobody lifts, elaborate exercise machinery that is rusted solid, etc.
14:08 asciilifeform even expensive trucks that have never seen a load of bricks or cement
14:08 phf expensive trucks reaffirm your masculinity, of course
14:08 asciilifeform my neighbour owns a boat that, i think, has not felt the sea water in decades.
14:09 phf apparently those things are really expensive to run. i used to go on potomac with Georgetown liesure boat crowd, and short, 1-2 hour runs, would cost ~~3k in gas, and that was 8-10 years ago
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14:09 asciilifeform re symbolics keyboards, barbarians smashed roman frescoes to decorate sword handles.
14:10 asciilifeform this sort of thing never goes out of style.
14:11 asciilifeform phf: that's what, a litre/second ?! what was on the boat, jet engine ?
14:12 phf i just remember it being outrageous
14:12 asciilifeform not even piston engine airplane is 3k/hr.
14:12 asciilifeform (a few hundy)
14:13 mircea_popescu o boy.
14:13 * mircea_popescu proceeds to read apace.
14:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i forget which one is dulap ?
14:13 asciilifeform i only got 1
14:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescutronic box, s.nsa
14:14 asciilifeform phuctor, trb
14:14 mircea_popescu ah. lol. so i guess i write to host warning that if this happens again they lose the contract,
14:14 mircea_popescu which they ignore and subsequently lose the contract ?
14:14 asciilifeform as always.
14:15 mircea_popescu you sure it's worth it to you ?
14:15 mircea_popescu i judge the move to have been preeeetty boneheaded the last time around.
14:15 asciilifeform i have genuinely nfi
14:15 asciilifeform it would be great if there existed isp worth using.
14:16 asciilifeform but so far evidence is negative.
14:16 asciilifeform afaik we haven't tried non-nato world yet tho.
14:16 mircea_popescu there exists no such thing as a length of rope made by the fiat world that is genuinely what it claims to be.
14:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: would you tolerate mpex on a box like this ?
14:17 mircea_popescu mpex is written by people who, unlike you, live in the world as it is. consequently, it doth not care. what you see is not ENVIRONMENT.
14:17 asciilifeform (not saying the no-secrets-save-for-sshkey phuctor box is comparable, but simply for argument)
14:17 mircea_popescu it's not fucking CIRCUMSTANCE that makes me rich and powerful, ya prole.
14:17 mircea_popescu and whoever the fuck cuts your neck did not do so because his blacksmith had better steel.
14:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can retract the spikes, no one was proling at you.
14:18 mircea_popescu but the very idea!
14:19 asciilifeform and yes mircea_popescu described his system of disposable proxies and inner boxes guarded by legionaries or how it went.
14:19 mircea_popescu it's expensive as fuck to run because it is redundant as fuck and built out of atomic shit.
14:19 asciilifeform i recall.
14:19 asciilifeform but with phuctor we have the sad of both worlds, expensive AND porous.
14:20 mircea_popescu anyway - since i recall you itching to do it throughout the YEAR LONG outage, which in my best business judgement is not fucking acceptable, suppose you find a server, and once (and only once) you're satisfied it entirely meets your specs we move over ?
14:21 mircea_popescu but not before, because honestly in between a) shrug and make the engineers rewrite the software to be windows proof and b) turn off the service for another year because the world is not ready yet, even an entry level manager would know enough to pick a every time.
14:21 asciilifeform well, thing doesn't suffer from resets per se.
14:21 asciilifeform it is the principle of the matter, i have nfi who did what to the disk while it was off.
14:21 mircea_popescu or, for that matter, on.
14:21 asciilifeform or.
14:22 mircea_popescu so then... call it "modern computing" and let it be.
14:22 asciilifeform but apparently the monkeys need it, for some reason, to be off.
14:22 asciilifeform perhaps only as 'horse's head'
14:22 mircea_popescu because idiots.
14:22 asciilifeform i have nfi, for instance, what - if anything - was removed from, or added to, db
14:23 asciilifeform or whether the trb on the box is worth using any moar
14:23 asciilifeform nor is it possible to easily decide this through mechanical means.
14:23 mircea_popescu even more alternatively, if you're just about ready to move out of nato and place a rack in your own basement i'm definitely just about ready to ship you the server in question. have been for a while nao.
14:24 asciilifeform noted.
14:24 phf it seems the way it's going it's equally "safe" to host box in basement now, and only upload static pages of results to web
14:25 asciilifeform i don't expect to find a massively improved commercial server anywhere, for the reasons mircea_popescu described.
14:25 mircea_popescu phf i'm not entirely sure i wish to risk that much in property behind enemy lines, but i guess if one musts...
14:25 asciilifeform at this point the only thing that can be asked is for the thing to be more often up than down...
14:25 mircea_popescu (and yes i do think you people are ~idiots for keeping chattels there, exactly for the reasons and exactly to the degree i think jews moving around berlin in the 30s with golden whatevers on their person, such as teeth, idiots.)
14:26 * asciilifeform dun look at me, i have nuffin'!111
14:26 mircea_popescu well his proposal was for you to have a server.
14:26 asciilifeform i would already have built 10 if i had where to put.
14:26 asciilifeform this was discussed in older thread.
14:27 asciilifeform i haven't the provisions for cooling or noise isolation.
14:27 asciilifeform (no cellar)
14:27 * phf is living in a tiny overpriced appartment, so assume ascii with his house has space to start tmsr space program
14:27 asciilifeform if anyone tuned in is interested in such experiment, please write in.
14:27 asciilifeform phf: i live in tiny overpriced house thing.
14:28 asciilifeform paying largely from the human-free space ~around~ it.
14:29 asciilifeform *for the
14:33 asciilifeform i do have the keys to a place with a rack, but it has own problems (no cooling in the summer on weekends and roof has been known to leak...)
14:33 asciilifeform in fact, that's what killed 'bucephalus'.
14:33 asciilifeform (who remembers what it was..?)
14:39 ben_vulpes trb node!
14:39 ben_vulpes leastaways one ran there once.
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15:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: was one of my 4, yes
15:13 asciilifeform now there are 2.
15:13 * asciilifeform bbl
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15:38 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/MWa
15:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
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16:33 mircea_popescu and in today's random trilema historical lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/for-capitalism/
16:42 mircea_popescu danke ben_vulpes
16:54 ben_vulpes mhm
16:55 ben_vulpes bitte
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17:58 mircea_popescu and in other web lulz, http://www.turkmenpress.com/ << used to be the website of the state turkmen press agency
~ 21 minutes ~
18:20 mircea_popescu if anyone feels like trolling the shit out of lolcows in languages they don't even understand, tweet https://archive.is/X5oos#selection-1453.1-1453.24 to @lorenalupu and watch the fireworks :D
18:26 shinohai HAd nothing better to do so done mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/737409711570587648
18:28 shinohai /me sits back and waits to get cursed in Romanian
18:32 mircea_popescu should be interesting.
18:34 mircea_popescu curious if i manage to get two idiots to delete their blogs the same day.
18:35 shinohai kek
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19:37 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
19:37 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 527.9, vol: 6150.01588999 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 525.213, vol: 8260.05673 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 535.49, vol: 33565.00986183 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 0.12 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 564.610781, vol: 61484.65420000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.49, vol: 916.25418976 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 532.4442, vol: 159.56181215 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
19:38 mircea_popescu so the various usg exchanges doing fuckall volume are STILL clinging on to their delusional notions of what the price is, days later.
19:38 mircea_popescu cue mp saying there's no bitcoin price signal i guess.
19:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473582 << n-ati = nu ati = you haven't.
19:39 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 14:56 asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu in the original 'books are dead' you have '...tot asa cum n-ati stiut niciodata greaca veche...' but we know you ~do~ greaca veche !
19:40 mircea_popescu a thanx diametric
19:40 mircea_popescu oops i mean diana_coman
19:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473589 << no, that's not the test, that's masturbation. the real life test is, take some kids who grew up on blogs ; and some derps who grew up on books, and see who manage to thoroughly fuck up their interactions with mp. that's the fucking test, the test of life, not the test of school-alike.
19:42 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473575 << let's try a gedankenexperiment. take a bunch of folks who grew up on books, and another set who grew up on blogs (let's say, the spiffiest blogs!) -- and see which set can solve a set of differential equations, build a cement mixer, a house that stands up, write gcd, whatever torture test you prefer.
19:43 mircea_popescu the test for the nascent burgunds / germans / whatever the fyck you'd call them wasn't whether "they could build roman baths", either.
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19:44 mircea_popescu it was whether they'll live or die on the corpse of rome's empire. strictly that. and in my hands locklin will starve.
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19:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473609 << what derp modified trilema ?
19:45 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:29 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the medium is intrinsically unfriendly on account of every-derp-can-modify.
19:46 mircea_popescu anyway, the renaissance happened EXACTLY because of the blog-like organisation of the textual community of the time, and it was for the record largely an oral process ; its notation rather very similar with the btcbase.org service.
19:46 mircea_popescu ie, an afterthought.
19:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473619 << i think you have a very naive view on the matter driven perhaps by the narrow point of the samizdat experience. this was never the case, to this date most apocrypha problems are not in fact solved.
19:48 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:30 asciilifeform: and in any case unmutilated copies abounded and could not be remotely fucked with.
19:48 mircea_popescu perhaps the most amusing example for our purposes here being the late forgery known as "donatio constantini")
19:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473623 <<< i guess ima have to translate that caragiale piece, it's very much apropos.
19:52 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:32 diana_coman: dunno, maybe it all even started with the printing press then along those lines
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20:20 BingoBoingo https://debmcalister.com/2014/01/05/dont-tie-a-yellow-ribbon-on-your-dogs-list/
20:21 BingoBoingo ;;more
20:21 gribble 550.443731305
20:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473642 << this is not merely false, it is backwards to reality. a lot of cocks do not result in a "loose" pussy ; they result in a well musculated, pleasurable fuckhole. similarly so, the only thing that results in thick "mental carpaces" are "healthy" ie deratized situations.
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20:32 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: they result in a thickening of the mental carapace of thinking people
20:32 mircea_popescu which is why "every" imbecile ustard agreed di maggio is some sort of big deal 50 years ago, much like every argentine fucktard thinks messi is "his idol".
20:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about.
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20:33 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: do you know the stories told by math profs, of how up to 1980s or so they would accept unsolicited manuscripts purporting to prove a theorem, but then had to stop ?
20:34 mircea_popescu fuck whatever the fuck derp "can't" (ie, doesn't, DELIBERATELY, want to) get in the WoT. Fuck him with ten thousand dongs borrowed from the leprosarium, he is the enemy.
20:34 mircea_popescu above any obama or any other nigger ; above any "4th column" idiot kids imagining themselves sikrit agents.
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20:59 mircea_popescu "In Texas and a number of other states, it’s legal to shoot a dog if someone is “reasonably” afraid of it." << everywhgere sane, pretty much. wtf.
20:59 mircea_popescu you want to derp with dogs, buy a ranch.
20:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473834 << eh hey i get it, sure, mircea_popescu is odoacer, and doesn't give half a rat's arse if anybody ever builds another aqueduct or blows a glass vase, esp not if it's a stinking dickless city-dwellin' pedo, etc.
20:59 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 23:43 mircea_popescu: the test for the nascent burgunds / germans / whatever the fyck you'd call them wasn't whether "they could build roman baths", either.
21:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473835 << i'ma have to reread the original mircea_popescu-vs-locklin thing aren't i.
21:00 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 23:44 mircea_popescu: it was whether they'll live or die on the corpse of rome's empire. strictly that. and in my hands locklin will starve.
21:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am not going to import as much as a nail's dirt worth of old crap, even for all the vases in the world, be they made of glass bead or kidney stone.
21:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is a defensible position, but so is the fact that folks who don't know what a prime number is are beasts of the field.
21:01 asciilifeform just like folk who haven't any clue how to adjust rifle for wind and fall.
21:01 asciilifeform or can't wire a light.
21:01 mircea_popescu i am not convinced there's twenty people alive who know what a number is altogether, prime or not.
21:01 asciilifeform know in the rifle sense.
21:01 asciilifeform not in peano's.
21:01 mircea_popescu and that should now make a difference.
21:01 asciilifeform it makes a difference precisely where the rifle does.
21:01 mircea_popescu since when does this "functional literacy" constitute a standard.
21:01 asciilifeform if you can't pgp you are a beast of the field.
21:02 asciilifeform and pgp is liable to resolve to 'build it'.
21:02 asciilifeform just like in 15th c. cannoneer and trigonometer was identical.
21:02 asciilifeform dun like this standard? complain to god of war, not me.
21:03 mircea_popescu was never fucking identical.
21:03 asciilifeform well obviously not in the 'every bloke with cannon a pythagoras' sense.
21:04 mircea_popescu king's artillery school "trigonometeer" was trigonometeer much like aol subscriber was "interneteer".
21:04 shinohai http://i.4cdn.org/b/1464656413624.webm
21:04 mircea_popescu there'd better be tits bouncing there i'm in a mood foul as hell
21:04 mircea_popescu close enough.
21:04 shinohai Well there's tits in it
21:04 asciilifeform did mircea_popescu get bitten by peron's zombie or wut.
21:04 asciilifeform i can tell he is throwing things.
21:04 mircea_popescu i have nfi dude, i've never been this sick in my life.
21:04 asciilifeform mosquito bites ?
21:05 asciilifeform perhaps it's that plague
21:05 mircea_popescu it's some obscure common cold branch. ain;'t got nothin' but wastin' my time.
21:05 asciilifeform damn.
21:06 * asciilifeform wishes mircea_popescu a quick return to battle form.
21:06 mircea_popescu this is my battle form.
21:06 mircea_popescu when healthy i'm in more of a scholarly form i guess.
21:06 asciilifeform ah hm.
21:06 asciilifeform in related nyooz i saw what passes for an american military parade today
21:06 asciilifeform it was mightily depressing
21:06 asciilifeform buncha high school bands from midwest.
21:06 mircea_popescu were the nukes pointy at least ?
21:07 asciilifeform and some VERY old men pulled in a wagon thing behind a jeep
21:07 asciilifeform korea vets.
21:07 asciilifeform not ONE rocket or tank or ... any.
21:07 asciilifeform not even motorbikers, apparently those went the other day, in the good weather.
21:07 asciilifeform the americans, so sad, have nfi what a real parade is!
21:08 asciilifeform they think this is it!
21:08 mircea_popescu the chinese are busting the records for that.
21:08 asciilifeform i bet the chinese don't even have to drive the same rocket around a corner 10 times.
21:08 asciilifeform like su did.
21:08 mircea_popescu nope. they actually (from what i hear) make pools and pick which to run
21:08 mircea_popescu so they don't end up embarassed. like, 1 of 3 regiments goes, sorta thing
21:09 asciilifeform as a boy i always imagined that chinese parade includes blokes carrying little stools from which they will - together, and seismically calamitously - jump !
21:09 mircea_popescu lotta changed since you were a boy!
21:09 mircea_popescu used to be, you know, back in the 80s, china was roughly speaking a very large vietnam.
21:09 asciilifeform they had working nukes when i was a boy.
21:09 asciilifeform though people forget this.
21:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473652 << it won't be so, for the same exact reason the "true standard" of "original vellum roll with chain of custody" didn't make it as a "golden standard" past 500ad.
21:10 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:42 asciilifeform: i wish this were not so
21:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they had norking wukes ~in the sense the brits do : the americans gave them some.
21:11 asciilifeform in '70s?!
21:11 asciilifeform afaik american 'donation' to cn began with clinton.
21:11 mircea_popescu at whatever point they had that fallout with moscow.
21:11 mircea_popescu naw.
21:11 asciilifeform interesting...
21:11 asciilifeform and to india, they also gave ?!
21:12 mircea_popescu there was military tech transfer to china right around the cuban crisis.
21:12 asciilifeform btw according to brits the american nuke was a fair trade for the gas
21:12 mircea_popescu india i have nfi, possibly brits gave them.
21:12 mircea_popescu sure, and according to every divorced woman the house was fair trade for the nagging.
21:12 asciilifeform lol aha
21:14 mircea_popescu now, not to say that current chinese capacities in rocketry and so on aren't mostly chinese. they are ; with a little dab of helping from anyone available to help for a reasonable fee, the swiss, romanians, jews, whoever the fuck.
21:14 asciilifeform iirc that khan fella went round and round, helpin'.
21:14 asciilifeform and that's just the 1 who advertised his name.
21:14 mircea_popescu truth be told this isn't particularly advanced tech.
21:15 asciilifeform i'd idly like to know if anyone is using the laser separator.
21:15 mircea_popescu wasn't in the 40s either, more of a "holy shit engineering feat" than a "omaigerd its incomprehensible arcana"
21:15 asciilifeform (~100x cheaper than centrifuge isotope separation device)
21:15 asciilifeform in '40s the separation machine was ruinously inefficient.
21:15 asciilifeform esp. the american abomination
21:15 asciilifeform calutron.
21:15 asciilifeform remember it? gigantic mass spec.
21:15 asciilifeform with a funnel.
21:16 mircea_popescu very deeply embedded in my skull as an example of "american engineering"
21:16 asciilifeform usa had cheap electric, but was not remotely cheap enough.
21:16 asciilifeform aha, every literate man's skull i think
21:16 mircea_popescu good thing they didn't make a tin woman, in the shape of a raindeer with a funnel up its butt.
21:16 asciilifeform which is why the crackpot hypothesis that they plundered german uranium is so popular
21:17 asciilifeform there is, in archive, a letter from general groves to truman stating, plainly, that there will not be REMOTELY enough U for bomb.
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21:17 asciilifeform in '44.
21:17 asciilifeform (at the production rate then.)
21:17 mircea_popescu it's doubtful wtf the germans had.
21:18 asciilifeform what exactly patton (who died in strange circumstances right after war) found when he plundered the seeekrit shit, is still Officially Seekrit.
21:18 asciilifeform ditto what was in the massive 6-engined junkers that flew to buenos aires in '45.
21:18 mircea_popescu yeah, but he's fondly remembered as the "let's keep going" guy.
21:18 asciilifeform aha.
21:19 asciilifeform at any rate, germany had the gas centrifuge, it is where su found it.
21:19 asciilifeform worked great.
21:19 asciilifeform ;;google "nazi bell"
21:19 gribble Error: We broke The Google!
21:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473666 << eh you kidding, i'm the nicest guy there is.
21:20 asciilifeform eh.
21:20 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:45 asciilifeform: which is that mircea_popescu has thick walls in his head covered in barbed wire, and newcomers are necessarily massaged by said barbed wire.
21:20 asciilifeform relatedly, i can see ( re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1473848 ) the argument.
21:20 a111 Logged on 2016-05-31 00:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473642 << this is not merely false, it is backwards to reality. a lot of cocks do not result in a "loose" pussy ; they result in a well musculated, pleasurable fuckhole. similarly so, the only thing that results in thick "mental carpaces" are "healthy" ie deratized situations.
21:20 asciilifeform 'nice' ain't nice, makes axenic mice.
21:20 asciilifeform ^ ought to be advertisement jingle...
21:20 mircea_popescu just don't step on any of the invisible tripwires that are found in places which don't even necessarily make geometric sense. TO YOU, NOOB!!1
21:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1473851 << was less 'demoocracy' and more about how world used to be less verminiferous on the whole and folks had a bit moar surplus to throw around.
21:21 a111 Logged on 2016-05-31 00:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about.
21:21 mircea_popescu ironically, this whole thing is also discussed on trilema. lemme fish it out, mostly for diana_coman 's interest mebbe.
21:21 asciilifeform including thrown at promising n00bs
21:22 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/nu-exista-prosti-online/ << check it out, i found it.
21:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473670 << this is a fallacy of the first order. it could be presumed to come from some sort of cleric, who could be presumed to be some sort of transposition of that horror which today i call a nigger. i see no benefit accruing to me on this score for going back to 1850 or 1650.
21:24 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:46 asciilifeform: no barbed wire is necessary.
21:24 mircea_popescu even then i'd still have had to ask "but do you know voltaire" and gut them if not.
21:25 asciilifeform would rather be ritchie at bell labs, or voltaire ^, or hard-nose british surrounded by angry niggerz to machine gun all day long
21:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473674 << yeah, except we're fucking that up with euloran noobs ;/
21:25 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 15:48 diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess
21:25 asciilifeform i have not been tuned in.. mircea_popescu, how is the experiment in driving all-comers to pgp coming along ?
21:26 asciilifeform i recall a very recent post re some derp who had to be formally drummed out on account of persistent idiocy
21:27 mircea_popescu the one time when "has Latin", that, specifically, not "can write" or other junk would have served as you wish it to serve, was cca 500 ad. and at that time it served like "knowing idish" served you in the new york harbor cca early 1900s. plenty of people were there because specifically "Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realta fuggivo, da lei, da quelle emozioni, da i sogni, da i ricordi, da tutto. E pensavo che dovevo dimenti
21:27 mircea_popescu care."
21:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-30.log.html#t21:26:47
21:28 mircea_popescu miserably.
21:28 asciilifeform where do these even come from.
21:29 asciilifeform they, what, search google for 'i'm out of gamez, i need a game' ?
21:29 asciilifeform and find eulora somehow
21:29 asciilifeform woah,
21:30 asciilifeform 'zakorus123 is no one able to rescue me by buying my 1.2m coppers 07:59
21:30 asciilifeform zakorus123 mircae PLEASE 07:59
21:30 asciilifeform zakorus123 *makes sad puppy eyes*'
21:30 asciilifeform pretty special.
21:30 asciilifeform i dun even play, and i cringe.
21:30 deedbot [Qntra] Darkode Member Sentenced - http://qntra.net/2016/05/darkode-member-sentenced/
21:32 asciilifeform unrelatedly, the most pathetic thing at the parade was a GIGANTIC american flag carried by buncha korean derps, emigres,
21:32 asciilifeform one set carrying banner, 'korean unification league' or somethinglikethat
21:33 asciilifeform hard to imagine moar pathetic set.
21:33 asciilifeform except possibly if they had czechs
21:33 asciilifeform at whose embassy there is a shrine to patton, who took ~one town~
21:33 asciilifeform (and nothing at all about, well, the folks who actually kicked the jerries out of their pesthole)
21:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so dude goes in, wants to buy coppers, which me and n other people tell him to simmer down and figure out the game first ; then spends the next weeks hussling bitcent at a time.
21:34 mircea_popescu his whatever subscription UNEXPECTEDLY ended today, he had no idea this is gonna occur you know, 4 days ago.
21:34 asciilifeform eulora has subscriptions ?!
21:35 mircea_popescu nope.
21:35 asciilifeform then ???
21:35 mircea_popescu i dunno what he was paying, something steam or whatever
21:35 asciilifeform what's it to do with eulora ?!
21:35 asciilifeform what am i missing
21:35 mircea_popescu dude had an unexpected expense in the form of a lapsing subscription, being the idea.
21:36 asciilifeform ah he wanted btc
21:36 mircea_popescu ~like "hey, my electricity bill came thursday, i had no idea monday this might occur"
21:36 asciilifeform and ~demanded!1111~ to be fed
21:36 asciilifeform this apparently is an actual thing, some folks were taken down from the trees by mistake, and cannot handle any timed process more complicated than skinning banana
21:36 mircea_popescu "i've never observed these things show up regularly on a monthly schedule befoar"
21:37 shinohai ty BingoBoingo
21:37 mircea_popescu it's a very "western world" phenomena, roughly half the beatings in half the girls in the first half year have something to do with "i was surprised by X periodic event", usually a bill or w/e
21:37 asciilifeform one would naively imagine that GURLS would have no problem with this !1111
21:38 asciilifeform srsly do they not menstruate.
21:38 asciilifeform does it not behave even approximately as timer.
21:38 asciilifeform or is it, too, 'surprise' ?!
21:38 mircea_popescu honestly i think it's an outgrowth of the "college experience"
21:38 asciilifeform where, what, there is no such thing as semester ?
21:39 mircea_popescu college in teh modern democracy being this roughly speaking featureless insane asylum. getting terms extended becomes then positive attention, and so they start seeking it for lack of anything else more meaningful to seek
21:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was in the asylum, it had the seeds of this at the time.
21:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a) most surpriseful of all surprises b) girls of the age living "alone" ie, not tonsils deep in other girl's cunts don't usually have regular periods.
21:40 asciilifeform but generally folks had to at least feign illness to get terms extended
21:40 mircea_popescu it's a funny if poorly studied phenomenon : much like immunity in young children is mostly herd-based,
21:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i thought they synced with roommates / officemates
21:40 mircea_popescu period regulation in young females is ALSO herd based.
21:40 mircea_popescu not without biological exchange though.
21:40 asciilifeform there is ~no such thing in usa studentland as 'chick living alone'.
21:41 mircea_popescu think in terms of "hepatitis alone" rather than "influenza alone"
21:41 asciilifeform i thought all they had to do was be in smellin' range.
21:41 mircea_popescu notrly. i think that only works in rats.
21:41 mircea_popescu wearing each other's underwear works though.
21:42 asciilifeform in the kind of close quarters dorm folk live in, they may as well be eating each other's undies.
21:42 asciilifeform (have you ~seen~ the rat pits.)
21:42 mircea_popescu condomsharing (ie, when you enter them alternatively without bothering to change the condom) definitely does.
21:42 mircea_popescu yeah well there's that.
21:43 mircea_popescu i suspect sweat actually is also a major factor ; definitely urine. complicated matter and i'm lazy. let the curious mind run their own studies.
21:44 mircea_popescu neways, this log is long an' the flesh is weak. bbl!
21:44 * asciilifeform also bbl, pet was waiting.
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22:10 shinohai https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fbi-agents-gun-stolen-from-car-in-san-francisco/2016/05/30/113d22c0-26cf-11e6-8329-6104954928d2_story.html <<< bwahahaha
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22:27 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> miserably. << But no one joined just to gank your mining barge
22:35 trinque asciilifeform: you are reusing the ID field in your atom feed
22:35 trinque my assumption is that is why posts are missed.
22:36 trinque were that unique as per (iirc) the spec of atom it'd not be skipping posts
22:38 trinque can just put #timestamp on the ID or something if you like
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22:54 trinque checked code, ID field indeed. were I to use timestamp, then some asshole would give me two of the same timestamp
22:55 trinque I can either check each field for differences like a retard or just be given an ID that identifies the event, not the thing to which it happened
23:09 BingoBoingo In other old trilema http://trilema.com/2013/the-title-is-in-the-pudding/
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23:38 asciilifeform another great oldie: http://trilema.com/2013/the-delusion-of-infrastructure
23:39 asciilifeform 'If the herd becomes too loud or too otherwise noticeable in any one place, the people will just move to another place.'
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