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01:03 mircea_popescu $up indoor_jellyfish
01:03 deedbot indoor_jellyfish voiced for 30 minutes.
01:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope.
01:08 indoor_jellyfish Does anyone know of a document that explains the linux boot process in detail? I've lisp code that builds /a/ ResuceCD (http://paste.lisp.org/display/315833) but not /the/ ResuceCD needed for Masamune.
01:10 indoor_jellyfish ie, it the current process doesn't package together the existing libraries / binaries /sources on disk into the bootable USB, and instead uses my re-write of "Roll your own ResueCD" (https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/)
01:10 indoor_jellyfish which uses and unpacked archive of binaries from the author of that blog post
01:11 indoor_jellyfish I don't really understand how the C linker or the rest of the linux "toolkit" works (eg, chroot) and a detailed explanation of how I would arrange a set of files + binaries, bundle them and generate a minimal bootable USB would go a long way.
01:11 * indoor_jellyfish is gabriel_laddel
01:12 indoor_jellyfish without such a document, the masamune replication will get done, but it'll take a while..
01:13 BingoBoingo http://tipthepizzaguy.com/stories/story431.htm
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04:36 punkman ;;later tell gabriel_laddel https://0xax.gitbooks.io/linux-insides/content/Booting/
04:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
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07:05 jurov punkman these look like kernel innards, gabriel was asking more about userspace
07:06 jurov funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted
07:08 jurov ;;later tell gabriel_laddel you'll definitely need this: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Custom_Initramfs
07:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
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09:07 punkman jurov, dunno looks like it covers the whole thing
09:09 mircea_popescu jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv.
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09:10 mircea_popescu maybe good move for gabriel_laddel to actually post that thing on his blog once he makes it.
09:13 mircea_popescu o hey, paymium now joins bitstamp on the list of wanna-be bitcoin exchanges that email spam.
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09:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466138 << aaaaaaassctually
09:41 a111 Logged on 2016-05-12 13:09 mircea_popescu: jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv.
09:41 asciilifeform it is in the logz!
09:41 asciilifeform my pogotron had it all...
09:42 asciilifeform srsly
09:50 mircea_popescu oh right you are huh.
09:53 shinohai I managed to make my own gentoo livecd a few weeks ago ... I used the roll-your-own initramfs thing like jurov posted earlier
10:04 phf asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.jpg
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10:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466148 << whole set?!!??
10:05 a111 Logged on 2016-05-12 14:04 phf: asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.jpg
10:05 phf yes
10:06 asciilifeform where?
10:07 asciilifeform djvu or it neverhappened (tm) (r)
10:09 phf there's really too much documents for my lowly eos 5d, but i'm going for teh ic schematics and such. it's mostly like "here's how you machine part 560345 front left hinge"
10:09 asciilifeform how many schmidts you had to kill to get these!
10:15 mircea_popescu check him out ?
10:17 mircea_popescu phf care to qntra ? :)
10:19 phf no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip
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10:20 phf like there are cable assemblies, that are handy for repairs or new construction, that i just don't have time to capture
10:20 mircea_popescu what's the constraint ?
10:28 phf he still has open maintenance contracts
10:30 phf while the bulk is software, a dwindling part of it is repairs and console upkeep
10:35 phf the intended purpose is to help lispm owners maintain systems on their own since the number of available parts is basically two stables in a barn and those are going to the usual suspects
10:37 phf and since asciilifeform is a lispm owner i don't see particularly reason why s.nsa shouldn't have access to it
10:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466158 << there is one possible boojum that i know of:
10:41 a111 Logged on 2016-05-12 14:19 phf: no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip
10:41 asciilifeform most of the 'good stuff' was GAL listings
10:41 asciilifeform rather than schematics
10:41 asciilifeform as smbx was among the first outfits to use synthesized logic
10:42 asciilifeform i'll be quite surprised if these are to be found in the papers david s releases to machine owners
10:42 asciilifeform and they are what is needed to replicate the thing on fpga.
10:42 asciilifeform (either that or the 'snap4' emulator source code)
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10:44 phf that's true, but those are not lost either
10:46 mircea_popescu this is pretty cool.
10:46 mircea_popescu $rated phf
10:46 deedbot mircea_popescu rated phf 3 at 3668926147 << Teh desire has been expressed and heard!
10:46 phf the main constraint is those same open maintenance contracts, but ultimately guy wants all that stuff preserved
10:47 mircea_popescu $rate phf 4 Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
10:47 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0baf9bd9-c8df-4128-bb9b-76e198b226be/
10:47 mircea_popescu $v 5B32D3412CCCD6B40CAE1CC564C953BE033C546D99BD1E35C62E449B93BCA1E2
10:47 deedbot mircea_popescu updated rating of phf from 3 to 4 << Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
10:53 asciilifeform phf: last thing dks said to me was that the rights to the whole shebang were bought at auction by prof j mallery of mit/nsa.
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10:53 asciilifeform or rather, he admitted that they were sold, but did not say to whom, i discovered through other informants
11:02 phf i know that mallery owns the entire software side, no idea where the vlsi falls, but afaiu that's the reason why nobody's doing anything with the assets
11:08 phf but after shuffling "assembly" and "harness" papers for two days i know for a fact that some dedicated japanese man will be able to lovingly carve an smbx replica as his chosen otaku hobby
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11:25 asciilifeform l0l
11:26 asciilifeform phf: the vlsi falls squarely in the software side afaik
11:26 asciilifeform it existed almost entirely as src text
11:26 asciilifeform ditto the synthesis system
11:27 asciilifeform (smbx had this, apparently, before ~anybody else, though today it is sop)
11:28 asciilifeform a smbx box actually contained not 1 but ~3~ computers
11:28 asciilifeform the lispm itself, the 'fep' (which did disk/tape/etc. i/o, and was its own m68k machine) plus another m68k in the console
11:29 asciilifeform it might be possible to recreate the last 2 from the schematics.
11:29 asciilifeform fwiw.
11:29 phf there are some funny comments about t.i. people on the margins
11:29 asciilifeform the largest competitor, aha
11:29 asciilifeform (ti sold what was mostly a straight miniature clone of the original mit lispm)
11:35 asciilifeform i will note that there are no unusual cables (other than the long triax console cable) in my lispm
11:35 asciilifeform the internals are mostly on the backplane.
11:37 asciilifeform (disk is on a st-506 cable but the pinout is public and you can buy the cable on, e.g., ebay)
11:38 asciilifeform dc power supply (a monster, iron box in the machine) was made by 3rd party and has labeled screw terminals
11:39 asciilifeform the last true smbx box, xl1200, actually had standard scsi in it.
11:40 asciilifeform (and the 'macivory' product that sat in a 68k mac, was simply a card with the smbx cpu in it... no cables at all)
11:40 asciilifeform at one point i considered buying one, but was not able to swing the access to the needed microscopy
11:40 asciilifeform $up luke-jr
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11:40 deedbot luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.
11:41 asciilifeform what brings you here luke-jr ?
11:41 luke-jr so we're discussing whether we can get consensus for a hardfork with the community here
11:42 luke-jr is there any possibility of that, or is it just impossible?
11:42 asciilifeform luke-jr: what's in your hardfork ?
11:42 luke-jr asciilifeform: not sure yet; ideally, only things that everyone thinks are acceptable (including people here)
11:43 asciilifeform well nobody can answer this mega-question until the concretes are given, neh ?
11:43 luke-jr (unreasonable people demand we support 2 MB old transactions)
11:44 asciilifeform normally folks going hard-forking have some specific idea of why...
11:45 luke-jr asciilifeform: to show the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing
11:47 mircea_popescu luke-jr do your reading.
11:47 mircea_popescu also, please don't refer to tmsr as "a community". it is not "a community", it is your liege.
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11:49 * shinohai makes popcorn
11:50 luke-jr asciilifeform: things I'd like to see in it would be merged mining, additional inputs to the generation transaction, and maybe fix block withholding
11:50 mircea_popescu $down luke-jr
11:51 mircea_popescu as the romanian expression goes, prostu' parca nu-i destul daca nu e si fudul.
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12:15 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465970 << serious wtf; I'll look into it
12:15 a111 Logged on 2016-05-11 21:38 mircea_popescu: world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?!
12:16 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466068 << wrote my bot with the intention of making creating new commands very easy
12:16 a111 Logged on 2016-05-12 01:39 mod6: trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf?
12:18 trinque could be that you expose some api - or SQL - my direction, or otherwise that I somehow sync (rsync?) tickets from you
12:18 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466098 << yeah, "commandbot" is WoTsauce
12:18 a111 Logged on 2016-05-12 01:49 mircea_popescu: quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots.
12:21 trinque http://wiki.deedbot.org/site/recent-changes << shinohai, nice dude!
12:25 shinohai Trying to get all that stuff mioved over to a site we control. I'm actually liking clwiki now, thanks for providing it!
12:26 trinque sweet
12:27 shinohai The bot section will need a whole new writeup though, since everything was merged into deedbot so gotta get a list of all those features compiled.
12:37 trinque $help
12:37 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
12:37 trinque shinohai: deedbot's can link to that, as I'll have that autogenerated from its sauce
12:40 shinohai ah ok will do
12:41 PeterL hi all
12:42 PeterL so, I bought a house, I figured it is a good time to lock up a loan at 3.5% interest for 30 years
12:43 PeterL rates can't go much lower than they are
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13:23 shinohai trinque: how do i insert a line break? <br> doesn't work it seems.
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13:34 shinohai and now I am getting 502 error as well :/
13:35 trinque yeah I did that
13:35 trinque it's back
13:35 shinohai Good, I didn't break it
13:35 trinque wait one sec
13:35 trinque :p
13:40 trinque damned thing doesn't shit errors out anywhere
13:40 trinque so I'll be digging for a minute
13:42 shinohai kk no worries
13:51 asciilifeform from the bureau of vintage lulz: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/l/levy-crypto.html
13:55 asciilifeform 'For instance, Diffie quizzed an MIT colleague named Dan Edwards, who would join the NSA after graduating. "He was extremely unhelpful," Diffie later reported, "failing to reveal things which were certainly not classified and which I later saw in the bibliography of his thesis." And when a colleague at Mitre went to work at IDA, Diffie asked him if he could share anything about his work. After a tan
13:55 asciilifeform talizing pause: no.'
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14:22 mircea_popescu PeterL even if they do, if you can't use capital more productively than 5% a year it's time to go back to school.
14:23 mircea_popescu (yes - that's the point of sending kids to school. to get them from where their average capital productivity is < 0% to where they get at least even with average. which should be within reach for an iq 100 fellow ; which is the only meaningful definition of iq available in the first place.)
14:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform goes right back to the whole "gestapo couldn't keep abreast of all the phonecalls from the "innocent public" they kept receiving". just like policeman rarely works there as a job, and generally works there as a hedge against his own inferiority complexes, derps working for nsa work there mostly for to be working there.
14:25 PeterL so are you saying you wouldn't lend money at less than 5% because you have better things to do with it?
14:25 mircea_popescu PeterL something like that. i wouldn't lend money in general, i'm not old and out of touch enough for that.
14:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform to look at it from a different perspective : attaching the attribute "classified" to a specified item has a number of effects on the world, some of which can have associated values that are computable. one such example is : that it triggers interest from the enemy, however defined. this is clearly a -. another one such example is : that it makes the workforce feel more important. since compensation always has to
14:27 mircea_popescu = "opportunity cost" + "self-actualisation value", and since the sort of idiots that actually take jobs with the nsa have very simple "self actualisation" functions, which often evaluate to "be in a place where things are called 'classified'", then this necessarily is a +.
14:28 mircea_popescu it stands then to reason to say that classification is more of a hr/personnel retention tool than a opsec instrument.
14:28 mircea_popescu experience seems amusingly enough to confirm this theory.
14:30 asciilifeform toilet cleaning schedule is classified
14:30 asciilifeform but so is manhattan project.
14:31 mircea_popescu and it ended up with the russians.
14:31 asciilifeform so it did.
14:32 mircea_popescu so that didn't help ; or even hindered.
14:32 asciilifeform usa of the period was a culturally impoverished zimbabwe
14:32 asciilifeform was stuck using foreign specialists.
14:32 mircea_popescu meanwhile, it DID make the job of recruiters that much easier.
14:33 mircea_popescu i am not so convinced the past 60 years made the us any less of a culturally impoverished zimbabwe. it's still not a nation, nor much of a country. it doesn't even make much of a hotel, used to be a sort of cote d'azur, now more like jamaica.
14:33 mircea_popescu "the place where middleaged couples with strange ideas about what'd put the spark back in the bedroom go for massage-vacations"
14:43 asciilifeform my point was, they use aryans now.
14:44 asciilifeform wake me up when princeton leaks even 1 page.
14:46 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466240 << http://wiki.deedbot.org/Text%20Formatting#selection-15.0-15.141
14:46 a111 Logged on 2016-05-12 17:23 shinohai: trinque: how do i insert a line break? <br> doesn't work it seems.
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16:43 asciilifeform http://natashenka.ca/posters
16:46 shinohai ^ kek
16:58 mircea_popescu is this good for bitcoin ?
17:07 BingoBoingo lol
17:14 deedbot [Trilema] The Megawatt standard - http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/
17:21 BingoBoingo Meaningful rebellion in one's twilight years https://archive.is/hyTIq
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20:56 mircea_popescu awww.
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21:30 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://natashenka.ca/posters << lol these should go up everywhere
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22:02 trinque all the abstinence kids look like their genes are quite happy with calling their current derp the end of the road.
22:03 mircea_popescu word.
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23:24 deedbot [ยป Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Outsourcing fever. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/12/outsourcing-fever/
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