Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2016-04-11 | 2016-04-13 → ↓
01:19 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jaiq_ZZ_eM
~ 35 minutes ~
01:54 ben_vulpes not a barb, asciilifeform
01:55 ben_vulpes more like "we don't make much over here, and you don't ride bikes, so i don't think this cult is for you"
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01:56 ben_vulpes not to mention your explicit hatred of what makes up the bulk of my work.
01:57 * ben_vulpes shrugs
01:57 ben_vulpes what can i say, i muck stables for room and board.
~ 24 minutes ~
02:21 ben_vulpes chrome is now throwing up "dangerous site" pages for...torrent trackers.
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~ 4 hours 24 minutes ~
06:46 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450411 <<< got this warning while visiting kat.cr earlier on gf's lappy
06:46 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 06:21 ben_vulpes: chrome is now throwing up "dangerous site" pages for...torrent trackers.
~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~
07:47 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the whole "for your protection" thing can ever only go one way - to where it "protects" you from sluts and drink.
~ 26 minutes ~
08:14 mircea_popescu and in other forgotten lulz news, http://trilema.com/2011/elemente-de-baza-n-tehnica-trolajului-grav/#selection-27.0-26.1
~ 47 minutes ~
09:01 BingoBoingo Roger Ver gets back into retail, because that worked so well for him in the past https://archive.is/AE045
09:07 shinohai What's he going to do, open up a fireworks trailer in Alabama?
09:08 mircea_popescu lmao
09:14 BingoBoingo He could sell collectibles again for USD while watching US fall compared to the merchandise he sold.
09:16 shinohai I love how he pays Buttnix to write articles, then pops in the comments section like he doesn't own the site.
09:19 mircea_popescu incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
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~ 40 minutes ~
09:59 mircea_popescu $rated alikim
09:59 deedbot mircea_popescu rated alikim 1 at 3669304001 << Euloran
10:00 mircea_popescu $rate alikim 2 Euloran, flash programmer, alikim.com/photos
10:00 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8cd50a8a-efce-46b4-9e27-e288e381ee64/
10:01 mircea_popescu $v B89E246463D3F547D12D54F06755647EBD38CFA5AEDFA76667EFD88070D7C37F
10:01 deedbot mircea_popescu updated rating of alikim from 1 to 2 << Euloran, flash programmer, alikim.com/photos
10:02 mircea_popescu $gettrust alikim
10:02 deedbot L1: 2, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
10:05 phf o_O
10:05 mircea_popescu hm ?
10:05 mircea_popescu darn.
10:05 mircea_popescu o hey, trinque got it to pick itself up off the floor did he. nice.
10:06 phf a weird deedbot crash, which seems to indicate sporadic packet delivery somehow
10:06 mircea_popescu myeh.
10:07 trinque yup, I've seen a couple of those
10:12 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450068 << http://btcbase.org/log-raw/
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10:12 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 09:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
10:13 phf this is only the stuff that i'm producing, in the same format as kako's original
10:13 phf i'll shuffle things around at some point so that the folder contains pre-t-a stuff too
10:13 mircea_popescu win.
10:17 phf it is live (i.e. it's a WAL), but if someone needs to read this data at frequency, talk to me to work something out
10:18 phf which reminds, ben_vulpes you still need me to give you wotpaste urls? i could probably produce a daily structured dump or somesuch
10:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450421 << me. pgpgram detailz?
10:19 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
10:24 mircea_popescu ;;ud wal
10:24 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Walmart | The local 3-generation mom & pop store was run out of town by Walmart. ... C' mon Louann, we gotta go to Wal-Mart and get Mama her Christmas present.
10:28 phf mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-ahead_logging
10:28 mircea_popescu ;p
10:29 phf mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37-GbX3iKbU
10:29 mircea_popescu by now a111 is quite the piece of machinery huh.
10:31 mircea_popescu lol at least they're barefoot. worx.
10:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you get pms rite ?
10:35 mircea_popescu actually come to think of it, http://dpaste.com/2BGGCQE
10:39 phf it gives me an opportunity to exhaustively explore technical questions, so ironically it's a more sophisticated piece of engineering than what i write for day to day
10:39 phf it's definitely not the "fastest" "easiest" "sane" way of doing things
10:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in a meeting, bbs
10:44 mircea_popescu no rush
10:44 mircea_popescu phf word. goes back to my comment re lisp and rl that nearly started a crusade :D
10:45 trinque kinda how deedbot went, decided I'd go balls deep in common lisp and see what happens
10:46 phf by day to day i mean non-lisp stuff, but yeah, even taking that thing live revealed a lot of annoyances in cmucl (asciilifeform will say told you so)
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10:47 mircea_popescu lol.
10:48 mircea_popescu and on top of which the beauty of wot-access-control, perhaps nto apparent yet, is that if you're hit with something it'll be both complex and readily documented. as opposed to the faux-real-world, where one still gets 90% brute force ssh attempts and crap.
10:52 punkman http://www.postphp.com/namecheap-livechat-social-engineering-leads-to-loss-of-2-vps/
10:58 mircea_popescu heh!
10:59 mircea_popescu and in today's random log link, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-22#841603
10:59 a111 Logged on 2014-09-22 23:59 JuliaTourianski_: what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.
11:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: got it
11:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interesting idea, i'd be of more use if i knew ~anything about eulora !
11:04 asciilifeform or hm, looks more general?
11:04 mircea_popescu yes.
11:04 mircea_popescu "there's this open source project which is also a game and they're really into doing a partnership with a cs dept and would you wanna talk to them ?" works neh ?
11:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450461 << phf remind me again what the hell the up-side of cmucl was
11:09 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 14:46 phf: by day to day i mean non-lisp stuff, but yeah, even taking that thing live revealed a lot of annoyances in cmucl (asciilifeform will say told you so)
11:09 asciilifeform it always struck me as a kind of 'bsd 4' - yes, 'hackable', yes, 'small', but the ~wrong kind of small~, the kind that will balloon into the same megalith as sbcl if you were to add all of the missing but necessary pieces.
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11:10 phf what are these "missing but necessary pieces"?
11:10 asciilifeform motherfucking native threads, for one
11:11 asciilifeform i consider a general-purpose language without these, WORTHLESS
11:11 phf well, that's the only one that you keep mentioning, and i heard you about it :)
11:11 asciilifeform there is also the support for various non-x86 boxen
11:12 asciilifeform and, much as folks like to spit on it - unicode.
11:12 phf which cmucl has
11:12 asciilifeform does it?
11:12 mircea_popescu wait, cmucl has no unicode ?
11:12 asciilifeform didn't, last i saw
11:13 phf i think since 2009 or so
11:13 asciilifeform neato
11:13 mircea_popescu im unconvinced multibox support is a good idea. if i am going to run on non-x86, i sure as fuck don't wantall the x86 stuff in there.
11:13 mircea_popescu and vice-versa.
11:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what x86 stuff
11:14 phf sbcl has arm support over cmucl
11:14 asciilifeform i do not rightfully apprehend mircea_popescu's observation here
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11:14 phf but otherwise..
11:14 mircea_popescu mk let's rephrase. if i used a non-x86 box i'd want the thing to be native for that box not an addon to x86.
11:15 asciilifeform i still don't get it
11:15 mircea_popescu this is why i'm even using arm or w/e in the first place.
11:15 asciilifeform what means 'native to' here
11:15 phf mircea_popescu: von neumann machines are a lot more similar than dissimilar. difference between x86 and arm is a very thin layer
11:15 mircea_popescu suppose the language's compiled. the compiler has no reason to know about non-native microcode.
11:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: suppose you want to cross-compile ?
11:16 mircea_popescu suppose i don't.
11:16 asciilifeform and sure, nobody makes you keep the thing around
11:16 asciilifeform you can always run a tree shaker and throw out the src you never intend to use.
11:16 asciilifeform save a few kb of disk !111111
11:16 mircea_popescu security more a concern than disk really.
11:16 phf asciilifeform: i don't think lisps support cross-compilation in general?
11:16 asciilifeform phf: it'd have to be something like sbcl's 'save-lisp-and-die'
11:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in the interest of fits-in-head - sure
11:17 phf which is very very narrowly portable
11:17 asciilifeform phf: aha, commonlisp is unfriendly to the notion of an 'exe' in general
11:18 asciilifeform (which imho is the Right Thing)
11:18 mircea_popescu so then what multibox support.
11:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: multibox means that the thing ~can~ be ported to new cpu with minimal sweat
11:18 mircea_popescu and you just admitted you don't want this.
11:18 asciilifeform rather than some mythical 'one exe for all boxes' winblowz claptrap
11:18 asciilifeform waiwut
11:19 mircea_popescu "can be ported to new cpu with minimal sweat" is not distinct from "windows claptrap one exe"
11:19 asciilifeform all i want is for the jit compiler's back-end to be sanely written and not married to x86, and for there to not be weird endian dependencies baked in.
11:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see above.
11:19 asciilifeform this is ALL it means.
11:19 mircea_popescu ah ok, i didn't get what you were saying.
11:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu was probably imagining something like the old crapple 'fat executables' that have 3 sections for 3 cpus
11:19 mircea_popescu pretty sure cmucl's not married to endian-ness. nfi about sanely written tho
11:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, it's been known to happen!
11:20 asciilifeform cmucl won't invoke pthread and as such is not a finished product in my view.
11:20 mircea_popescu yes yews, but to the other two objections you gave.
11:20 asciilifeform (if a lang runs on unix box and can't pthread it is a toy)
11:20 phf that's just empty rhetoric
11:21 phf it runs logs alright ;)
11:21 mircea_popescu lol check out phf with his newly found "fu because battlefield" rhetoric :D
11:21 mircea_popescu rare to see in lispen battle, a deployment of THAT tank division.
11:21 asciilifeform pretty quiet battlefield.
11:21 asciilifeform wait till there is GB/s log demand.
11:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, in geek world the one-girlfriend guy is king.
11:22 phf asciilifeform: threads are the worst possible solution to gb/s log demand
11:22 mircea_popescu yeah srsly. what ?
11:22 asciilifeform lack of threads is a sure boat anchor when you get a hang somewhere.
11:22 mircea_popescu i thought lisp exiosts so you don't "Get a hang somewhere"
11:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, but then some bozo added tcp to it
11:23 mircea_popescu so he rewrites the tcp state machine in c, what :D
11:23 phf tcp had non-blocking mode for a very long time
11:24 mircea_popescu but is it with utf ?
11:24 phf against, GB/s is consistently solved with non-blocking non-threads
11:27 mircea_popescu ahh this has been a pleasant convo
11:27 phf there are some arguments now (and some successful projects) that solve gb/s with threads, but this whole idea that threads are a solution to gb/s ~in the compotent circles~ is a novel thing. schedulers are getting better, some patterns emerging, tooling is better etc. people coming out with "perhaps doing it with async is not best option anymore". but for years gb/s was achieved with async, reactor pattern, fork/exec
11:28 phf and yes it has unicode :D
11:30 phf but none is the answer to why cmucl, and i don't think there's one. mostly why not? it's a question of discipline for me, can i move slow and not freak out against deficiencies. i think that "looking for silver bullet" is just a waste of time, and there's no way that i can possibly explore entire cmucl solution space, until a whole new set of base capabilities is required
11:31 phf can always switch to sbcl overnight, harder to switch back, since sbcl like any high profile project attracts, accumulates and integrates cockroaches.
11:32 mircea_popescu compotent ?
11:32 mircea_popescu ah you mean component dontcha
11:32 phf competent
11:33 mircea_popescu ah ah.
11:34 asciilifeform phf: i can actually get behind 'thing needs its ~own~ scheduler, ip stack, nic driver...'
11:34 mircea_popescu anyway, the longstanding rule has been that one can use whathever the fuck one wishes, and reap the benefits of maintenance down the road on their own ass.
11:35 asciilifeform how else.
11:35 mircea_popescu in other news, i planted something that was supposed to be "curry", which i had nfi is even a plant wtf, isn't that a spice mix ?
11:35 mircea_popescu then went and fondled the foot tall guys and omfg my kbd hand and everything smells like curry and im salivating
11:37 phf indian perfume
11:38 punkman curry leaves are common in europe aren't they
11:39 mircea_popescu yeah it's a sort of daisy apparently.
11:39 punkman it's a full on tree iirc
11:39 mircea_popescu no, that's the sweet neem thing.
11:39 mircea_popescu this is just a bushy plant, helichrysum italicum
11:40 punkman oic, guess there's a lot of different ones called curry leaves
11:40 asciilifeform 'Then they came to Namecheap where I have a couple of VPS servers, this account also had 2factor SMS authentication required for login. However the hacker opened up a live chat with Namecheap and requested a password reset for the SolusVM VPS panel, at which point, in a massive breach of their security protocols, they sent a plain text email to the comprised address containing both the VPS panel use
11:40 asciilifeform rname (previously unknown to the attacker) and a new password. ' << l0l!!
11:40 mircea_popescu hey, customers have come to expect.
11:41 punkman I don't really like the sweet neem thing, definitely don't use it in currys
11:41 mircea_popescu o, recall the guy that made a passport pic of chetty ?
11:41 mircea_popescu where the fuck was that
11:41 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/
11:42 asciilifeform aha, it
11:42 mircea_popescu punkman i'm not advanced enough to mix my own ; generally just get premixed whatever greater minds think fit and proper.
11:51 asciilifeform ;;later tell phf didja ever make a bookmarkable log url thing ?
11:51 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450407 << ben_vulpes this is iirc why the thread was so lulzy
11:59 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 05:55 ben_vulpes: more like "we don't make much over here, and you don't ride bikes, so i don't think this cult is for you"
12:00 phf you mean the recent log bookmarkable url thing?
12:00 asciilifeform it reminds me of a dream i had once, where i was in charge of some kindergarten thing, and a ragged bum knocks on the door, outside - storms, rains, - 'quick, quick, i need to fry in your electric chair!' he gasps. i reply 'sorry, we only have a child-sized one here!' but he persists, squeezes himself in
12:01 phf asciilifeform's dreams are almost kafka stories
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12:32 phf ;;later tell asciilifeform which bookmarkable log url thing?
12:32 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:39 asciilifeform phf: the one where the logs url should behave sanely, i.e. not redirect to anything but to ~always~ point to the head of the log
12:39 asciilifeform so it can be refreshed on pnohe and similar
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13:05 phf i haven't but i'll add it at some point soon. didn't have a bandwidth to hack on anything non-trivial
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13:24 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6W3US8Luo8
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13:58 asciilifeform happy cosmonautics day, folkz
13:58 * shinohai sheds a tear for Yuri.
13:59 phf oh yeah need to call grandma
14:10 ben_vulpes grandma?!
14:10 ben_vulpes phf: just gets cooler and cooler
14:17 asciilifeform >>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=854 << obligatory
14:27 shinohai But MAH MOON LANDING!!!
~ 19 minutes ~
14:47 asciilifeform in unrelated nyooz,
14:47 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/a/XWDvs
14:47 asciilifeform ^ not far from where i live
14:47 asciilifeform ^ house stood empty for a few months, and copper thieves stole the heat exchanger coil
14:49 ben_vulpes > house stood empty for a few months
14:49 ben_vulpes weird
14:50 asciilifeform why?
14:52 ben_vulpes tisn't how things work in my part of the world.
14:52 ben_vulpes turnover ~2weeks, unless there's a full renovation in swing.
14:52 ben_vulpes or the place is a condemned dump.
14:52 ben_vulpes or it's 2010 and someone walked on a mortgage.
14:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it's been 'for sale' for at least half a year actually.
14:53 asciilifeform and, aside from the item in the picture, is not in any seriously bad shape afaik.
14:53 ben_vulpes even /less/ common.
14:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: we have houses here that stood empty for years.
14:54 ben_vulpes and not because people price their houses sanely, no. but because apparently all of california is moving here and will buy at any cost.
14:54 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: insane
14:54 asciilifeform the city maintains the outside superficially so that it is not obvious immediately which they are.
14:54 ben_vulpes the...city!?
14:54 asciilifeform aha.
14:54 ben_vulpes and not the property owners?!
14:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: often there is not a known owner
14:55 ben_vulpes then who is selling it
14:55 asciilifeform ~this one~ has owner
14:55 asciilifeform presumably.
14:55 ben_vulpes ah.
14:55 asciilifeform the empty for years ones - often, not
14:55 ben_vulpes there've been a few squats around town, but with the recent explosion in dirt-demand, they're all getting shuttered and replaced with apartments.
14:56 ben_vulpes http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/15/crowd-gathers-to-support-house-squatters-who-allegedly-partied-with-a-corpse/
14:57 ben_vulpes portland is about as squatter unfriendly as i've ever seen a city.
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16:35 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
16:35 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 424.53, vol: 6113.25250388 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 7357.76405 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 425.99, vol: 14996.78820558 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 3.08677667 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.266568, vol: 31154.96080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 426.61, vol: 1100.17508599 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 429.203115, vol: 43.653074 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
16:38 asciilifeform btc-usd moar stable than my mains voltage...
16:39 mircea_popescu cosmonautics day lmao. you people...
16:41 BingoBoingo ;;more
16:41 gribble 425.273152803
16:43 mircea_popescu lol won space race. ehehehe
16:43 mircea_popescu where did you find the redbeard ?
16:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from, iirc, some ru www. eons ago.
16:46 shinohai So airbnb acquired Changetip. I guess now when people lose 67 cents sleeping on your sofa you can convert it to satoshi right there.
16:47 mircea_popescu dude that copper thieve shit... used ac unit is 200 bucks, contains 8 bucks worth of scavengeable metal.
16:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 8 bux for phreeeee
16:47 asciilifeform and it isn't as if anyone catches these folks, or the buyers, and pours molten copper down their necks
16:47 asciilifeform (or hangs'em high from the hv masts which they - likewise - plunder)
16:48 mircea_popescu still.
16:49 asciilifeform who ever heard of a vermin thinking 'i'ma only make 8 bux but do 10,000 worth of damage, i'd better not' ?
16:49 mircea_popescu see, if ~I~ were running the socialist state, there'd be a tax penalty and a 6 mo administrative (ie, no judge involved) jail sentence for keeping property empty a full quarter.
16:50 mircea_popescu tax penalty = you get no offsets this year. or somesuch. you get bonus next tax bracket. something.
16:50 mircea_popescu shinohai lmao win.
16:50 asciilifeform against whom ? usg's own bank ?
16:50 mircea_popescu great angle for qntra.
16:50 asciilifeform (in virtually all cases, the actual title holder...)
16:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform bank clerk in charge of the particular real estate, sure.
16:51 mircea_popescu my socialism sees through corporate pretense. like the damned thing does by default, except in the crazy us implementation.
16:51 asciilifeform the interesting bit is that the empty, decaying, plundered properties are ~part of the program~
16:51 asciilifeform it is how they keep the bezzlatronic prices up.
16:51 mircea_popescu yeah, and part and parcel of the explanation as to WHY us "won the space race"
16:51 asciilifeform and a natural outgrowth of 'NO cheap houses, EVER'
16:52 mircea_popescu and every other race, war, confrontation and anything else.
16:52 mircea_popescu fucking addicted to bad resource allocation.
16:52 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: didja see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/15/business/dealbook/goldman-to-pay-5-billion-to-settle-claims-of-faulty-mortgages.html
16:53 ben_vulpes also iirc copping to fradulent statements in securitization documents
16:53 shinohai ^ I almost Qntra'd that today ben_vulpes
16:53 asciilifeform ^ guess how many pennies of this will go to the folks ~actually~ shafted (who? the ones who did NOT get phreeeeeee house from obummer's scam)
16:53 ben_vulpes shinohai: what'd the qntra angle be?
16:54 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that's not how things work!
16:54 asciilifeform aha.
16:54 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes aha.
16:54 shinohai I didn't figure out an angle for it, therefore left it to simmer on back burner.
16:55 ben_vulpes AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
16:55 * ben_vulpes cackles madly back into the aws java sdk
16:55 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes kinda why the whole "usg takes as much from 'coffers' of usg corps as it needs" thing in macroeconomy discussion few days ago.
16:55 mircea_popescu it\s a joke, this "enforcing" mechanism. consists of nothing more than me presenting a signed check to a company i own
16:55 mircea_popescu whatever the fuck i write on it, it's still gonna pay.
16:55 asciilifeform the other observation is that the house-builders and title-holding banks do not need anyone to actually live in the property to make their printolade.
16:55 mircea_popescu shinohai wasn't it 3 months ago ?
16:56 asciilifeform they are perfectly ok with the thing being a permanent 'trading sardine' even as thieves rip out the copper pipes.
16:57 mircea_popescu like everything else in that country. this stuff is painfully visible, and so ridiculous on some level.
16:57 mircea_popescu but the sad fact is that most us companies' stock in trade is "intellectual property"
16:57 mircea_popescu mostly, lists of various things nobody cares about.
16:57 asciilifeform gogol's 'dead souls'.
16:57 mircea_popescu it's no coincidence that all the us "culture" can produce is "10 ways to bla bla".
16:57 mircea_popescu it's really all it's about.
17:00 asciilifeform 10 wayz to write 10 waiz list !1111
17:00 phf journalists hate it!
17:00 asciilifeform learn the trick trick learnerz haet!1111
17:01 mircea_popescu 10 sick ways to better health.
17:01 mircea_popescu ;;google carlin is the greatest and "how to make money renting out the space inside your nose"
17:01 gribble George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac>; Humor - Quotes - BG Info: <http://www.bg-info.com/humor_-_quotes.html>; dumb questions - things that make you go hmmm - Corsinet: <http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/stupid.html>
17:08 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/I6EUXwo.jpg <<< looking for pron, find Stalin on the subway instead.
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17:29 mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/?p=854&cpage=1#comment-2720 << if you recall, someone did. a humorless german dude, and as a result italy gets to fraudulently claim it's a "nation" and "part of europe", rather than the arab brothel sicily was leading it towards throughout the middle ages (which, there, last until 1960 and after)
17:30 mircea_popescu possibly the worst political cock-up of all time, trying to empirebuild with italians.
17:30 mircea_popescu and then the dumbass germans went and TRIED IT AGAIN!
17:31 mircea_popescu (and since we're discussing german firsts - the fucking reason steak's so good today is that well... ww1 germanz needed leather, imported as much as argentina could produce. so it begun.)
17:37 phf asciilifeform: http://www.hack.org/mc/mgr/ a very unixy x11 alternative, the windowing protocol is essentially escape codes back and forth
17:38 asciilifeform 'If you want to compare MGR to the X Window System, you might consider the MGR server as something like a combination of an X server + window manager + xterm, but with xterm's Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation and its DEC VT100 emulation in the same window.' << looks to me like it is of archaeological interest solely
17:39 asciilifeform 1.1MB TGZ of src !11 this does not appear to be in any serious way 'lighter' or more fits-in-head-sy than x11.
17:40 asciilifeform and it appears that i could not push arbitrary moving pictures through it, or use 'ratpoison'
17:40 asciilifeform ergo useless.
17:41 asciilifeform if it were 50kB of c, it might've been intriguing.
17:42 asciilifeform here's an observation,
17:42 asciilifeform symbolics co. sold quite a few boxes ~the only~ UI to which was x11 over the lan.
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17:42 asciilifeform there was literally ~nothing~ that beat this, then.
17:42 asciilifeform and there is STILL not.
17:43 asciilifeform note, these were lispms, and they implemented x protocol.
17:43 asciilifeform just for the ui.
17:43 asciilifeform this was so that buyer could use, e.g., a 'sun', as a console
17:44 asciilifeform instead of buying a symbolics console for the cost of a 'toyota'
17:44 asciilifeform but somehow the company's reputation as 'evil vendor of closed $maxint machinery' did not thereby perish.
17:45 asciilifeform (the fact that virtually ALL of their products shipped WITH SOURCE, also somehow did not affect it)
17:47 mircea_popescu odd how reputation works [in wotless worlds]
17:48 asciilifeform who can fully apprehend that 30 MOTHERFUCKING YEARS was not enough to make ANY notable improvement on xwindows?!!!!111
17:50 asciilifeform (as discussed in an old mircea_popescu thread, there ~is~ room for improvement.)
17:51 asciilifeform but it ~blows my mind~ that, in world where there is an x11, idiot derps for DECADES successfully peddled 'remote desktop' atrocities
17:53 BingoBoingo <shinohai> I didn't figure out an angle for it, therefore left it to simmer on back burner. << maybe start writing, see if an angle emerges?
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18:28 phf asciilifeform: of course it is of archaeological interest, jeez have to make disclaimers on links, else get wall of logs ;)
18:29 ben_vulpes i liked that particular WAL
18:32 mircea_popescu lol!
18:34 mircea_popescu and in unrelated news, h heine is an utter shithead.
18:36 phf speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
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18:36 phf or Qt’. That’s amazingly frustrating and just adds noise to the internet." http://www.shiningrocksoftware.com/2016-04-09-thoughts-on-linux/
18:36 mircea_popescu deprecated my foot.
18:36 mircea_popescu eulora uses opengl, and that's ~100% of all linux gaming.
18:37 phf well, they deprecated gnupg, they can deprecate x11. people on linux!
18:37 mircea_popescu this derpage, i swear.
18:37 mircea_popescu let me guess, it was "community consensus" on reddit, on the basis of their locally mutated gavin and some "experts" they consulted.
18:38 mircea_popescu srsly tho, do a search for linux gaming one day, you'll fall over.
18:38 mircea_popescu it's like 1989 never came.
18:39 shinohai BingoBoingo: been trying to take your advice and do just that, write crap for no good reason
18:39 shinohai though no blog yet.
18:42 BingoBoingo shinohai: It's the only way to learn. I discovered that when I took mircea_popescu's advice and started writing crap.
18:44 phf mircea_popescu: nethack
18:44 phf oh wait, right 1989
18:45 shinohai Only reasonable way I know to acquire shares/Bitcoins to hoard. Unless go back to reddit and suck ass for changetip.
18:45 mircea_popescu phf right ?
18:46 mircea_popescu shinohai he has a point ; there's no other way than practice.
18:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You had that point before I did.
18:52 shinohai anywho am grateful for the opportunity to contribute somewhat.
18:53 BingoBoingo Keep coming back. It works when you work it.
18:58 shinohai SO it appears the airbnb/changetip deal doesn't involve the changetip codebase.
18:59 shinohai Solid use of that 3.5 million in funding for sure, no one wants the shit.
18:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450713 << gtk & sdl ride happily on top of x...
18:59 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 22:36 phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
19:01 phf freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
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19:01 asciilifeform and iirc 'wayland' is one of those infuriating idiocies where 'want remote proggy? here's a DESKTOP, in a 1024x768 box'
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19:02 mircea_popescu phf very much so aha.
19:02 mircea_popescu not a bad strategy either, it got ustards off cars.
19:02 mircea_popescu "nobody could understand what's inside the engine"
19:02 deedbot- [Qntra] FBI Investigates Soup Can Heist - http://qntra.net/2016/04/fbi-investigates-soup-can-heist/
19:03 BingoBoingo ^ From the "of course" file
19:07 phf fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
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19:08 asciilifeform the microshitifucation of linux will not be truly complete until users have to grunt with 'remote desktop' idiocy
19:08 asciilifeform phf: even gtk apps work fine on gigabit lan
19:09 asciilifeform i routinely use, e.g., ida pro under 'wine' over x11 over tcp.
19:10 ben_vulpes the microshitification of linux will not be complete until ms ships a windows that also does all of the linux syscalls
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19:33 mats in progress
19:34 mats i'm curious what is going to happen with the syscalls that don't map cleanly
19:35 ben_vulpes yes in progress that's why i bring it up
19:39 phf mats: i think they are going the linux-in-userspace route
19:40 phf so they have a linux kernel manage the processes, and then they write keyboard/"console"/mouse drivers for it
19:40 phf they could probably make it as intrusive as they want
19:45 mats i don't think so
19:45 mats they're bringing back the 'personalities' feature
19:46 asciilifeform or they could buy & enslave 'cygwin', which was this already.
19:46 shinohai BingoBoingo: perhaps can use: http://ix.io/wpc
19:46 mats what i remember from the BUILD keynote about this is there's an ELF loader and translate syscalls
19:46 BingoBoingo shinohai: ty
19:53 mats phf: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers
19:53 phf asciilifeform: i don't think cygwin translates syscalls, it was more of half-baked mingw
19:55 mats http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/543542/Windows-x-system-service-hooks-and-advanced-debu << this was kinda neat
19:55 phf mats: ah, so that makes sense
19:56 mats i don't understand what kind of strategic advantage they see in this
19:59 mats TIL you can hook syscall returns from usermode
20:11 deedbot- [Qntra] ChangeTip The Company Bought, ChangeTip The Product Still For Sale. - http://qntra.net/2016/04/changetip-the-company-bought-changetip-the-product-still-for-sale/
20:12 ben_vulpes man that's derpy even for airbnb
20:12 ben_vulpes which by the way i use regularly to great effect
20:14 asciilifeform phf: i beg to differ- i had not only x11 built under cygwin long ago (at usg gig!) but ratpoison, firefox, 1,001 unmodified linux proggies
20:17 phf asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~?
20:27 mats standard vc money laundering behavior, no?
20:28 mircea_popescu kik dualboot from redmond itself!
20:29 mircea_popescu mats> what i remember from the BUILD keynote about this is there's an ELF loader and translate syscalls << then alf wants to know what i mean about http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450492
20:29 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 15:14 asciilifeform: i do not rightfully apprehend mircea_popescu's observation here
20:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the fact you use them shows just how badly oyu have it. there's also people who use tampons / shit bags to great effect. we call these people women / the pope, and dun wanna be them.
20:30 mod6 lol @ literotica silent fixing.
20:30 mircea_popescu hey mod6 can you be persuaded to fire up eulora and do a craft for me ?
20:31 asciilifeform <phf> asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~? << no, built locally. but unmodified SOURCES
20:31 mircea_popescu i need moar datapoints.
20:31 mod6 yeah. sure.
20:31 mircea_popescu meet me in town ima give you the gear needed
20:32 asciilifeform <ben_vulpes> which by the way i use regularly to great effect << aha, recall, i even used 'uber'
20:32 phf asciilifeform: well, precisely. they are talking about running unmodified binaries and doing jit syscall translation. not something cygwin supports
20:32 asciilifeform phf: ah
20:32 asciilifeform yeah this'd be something else
20:32 phf this is evil, evil incarnate, i tell ya
20:32 mats if it weren't for uber i'd own a vehicle that sits unpowered 95% of the time
20:32 asciilifeform but what i was pointing out was that building unmodified (sourcewise) linux proggies to run on shitblowz was baked long, long ago
20:33 mircea_popescu mats don't ever get married ; it's like buying a cunt that sits unlubricated 99% of the time!
20:34 shinohai KEK
20:34 asciilifeform mats: do you fire the kalash every day ? how about the electron microscope ?
20:34 mats i don't look forward to the prospect of marriage
20:34 asciilifeform how about the frag ?
20:34 mats but... filial piety and all that.
20:34 asciilifeform do you pull the pin every day??
20:34 mats i thought you hate driving?
20:35 asciilifeform i very much do.
20:35 * shinohai takes tacis everywhere.
20:35 shinohai *taxis
20:36 mats uber's classic service (that is, the 'black car' bidness it was before servicing plebs with 'uberx', 'uberpool', etc) is still good
20:36 asciilifeform mats: but i can't really separate the reason for hating it from my hatred of working.
20:36 mats the simple matter is that car ownership is, to me, a -ev prospect
20:36 asciilifeform if i only ever drove to places where i actually ~wanted~ to be, i might not hate it.
20:37 mircea_popescu this because 99% of people who currently own cars shouldn't own as much as a pocket knife.
20:37 asciilifeform perhaps this is when to point out that they do not in fact ~own~ the things
20:37 asciilifeform but mircea_popescu knew this.
20:38 mircea_popescu hey he was discussing ownersheep!
20:38 asciilifeform (the typical modern auto is built to fall apart within 1% or somesuch of the day the credit is paid off)
20:39 * asciilifeform goes ~100km on a typical day
20:41 mod6 mircea_popescu: alright, building
20:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450744 << this fucking gradient business omfg...
20:41 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 23:07 phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
20:42 mircea_popescu it's like every [unemployable shithead] got all excited about "omaigerd - i know how i'll justify not doing any it work - GRADIENTS !! AWESOME!!!" in like 2002
20:42 mircea_popescu i've been waiting for the idiocy to blow over ever since and it just fucking won't
20:42 mircea_popescu it's now part and parcel of what the idiots have come to expect or some stupid shit.
20:43 mircea_popescu meanwhile i want gradients like i want the "clever" ustard namespace. o woe what the fuck will i do without "laundromat" and "chuck e cheese" !!1
20:43 mircea_popescu such glorious victories of ~world~ culture!
20:43 phf "new and improved gui framework" "what can it do?" "prettier, modern gradients, better than last year's tired gradients"
20:43 mircea_popescu it'd be funny if it weren't literally exact.
20:47 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: thinks i don't know how poorly this place is set up, haw
20:48 ben_vulpes very much yes i would rather stay with some kindly grandmother i've never met than the roach motel up the street.
20:52 mod6 i always thought the airbnb thing was so weird.
20:52 mod6 i couldn't do it
20:54 * asciilifeform long wondered why there is not the next logical step for uber & airbnb - 'restaurant' where you show up to somebody's house and he cooks for you
20:54 mod6 haha
20:55 mircea_popescu isn't this what mistress is traditionally ?
20:55 asciilifeform and of course there is the inevitable whoring app, but that'd have to use coin and is still waiting for wot folk to do it
20:55 mircea_popescu maybe it should be called Ho-Tel
20:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no i meant anonymous you-can-be-anybody-so-long-as-you-got-dough sort of thing
20:55 mod6 "come over, my wife will cook you dinner, fuck you, and bathe you. $42.95"
20:55 asciilifeform y'know, like an illegal taxi
20:55 phf yes actually! it was a thing for a bit on craigslist and such. you could invite over a "chef", they cook for free, and eat with you, but you buy the groceries
20:56 mircea_popescu mod6 ftr that was about 50% of italian GDP throughout the past 1500 or so years.
20:56 * mod6 packs his bags for florance
20:56 mircea_popescu you mean deflorence.
20:56 mod6 haha, yea, there
20:56 asciilifeform iirc serviceable chix cost 4figs in most of usaschwitz
20:57 asciilifeform so no fiddybux deal.
20:57 asciilifeform unless you want to use a blindfold
20:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform blindfold included.
20:57 asciilifeform like british sailors, eating their maggoty biscuits
20:57 mircea_popescu enough with this kulak high falootin.
20:57 asciilifeform l0l
20:57 mircea_popescu no derp left behiney!
20:57 mod6 4figs? depends on how many teef she has
20:58 mircea_popescu mod6 for lack of whorexperience he puts the gals on this pedestal.
20:58 asciilifeform as many teeth, that many benjies, price!
20:58 mod6 yeah, i know a walmart where you can $12 bjs behind the store
20:58 mircea_popescu the last time a woman made 1k+ to fuck some guy, he was some engineer with a love/hate relationship with usg.
20:58 mod6 bang you for $20 + a taco
20:59 mircea_popescu the usd, backed by half-n-half.
20:59 asciilifeform yeah but then you bang something that bangs for 20+taco
20:59 mircea_popescu you got it backwards.
20:59 mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is what fat ugly dumb cunts use to exploit your kind, alfie.
20:59 mod6 hey, think of it this way, you can shag every work day for half a days labor + a taco
20:59 mircea_popescu it doesn't MEAN anything.
20:59 asciilifeform waiwut
21:00 asciilifeform mod6: you can also eat 'chocolate' from the pharmacy, aha
21:00 mircea_popescu "something that bangs for 20+taco" in your statement does NOT evaluate to anything.
21:00 asciilifeform and drink some 'beer'
21:00 asciilifeform (that is mostly pisswater)
21:00 mircea_popescu there is no such "something".
21:00 asciilifeform well just as there is no 'american beer', there are only concrete pisswaters
21:00 asciilifeform but all meaningfully related.
21:00 mircea_popescu could be queen of the whores, or rando feminist. the future does NOT reach into the past to rearrange it somehow magically.
21:00 mircea_popescu it's an untouchable, absolute barrier.
21:01 asciilifeform naturalist cannot afford to treat every blade of grass as a particular!
21:01 asciilifeform gotta form hypothesis.
21:01 mircea_popescu besides the point. this strawman won't work any better than all the previous ones.
21:01 mircea_popescu the objection t oyour broken mental process isn't that you generalize unwarrantedly.
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21:01 asciilifeform this sophism won't work better than all the previous ones either, l0l
21:01 * asciilifeform straps on gas mask
21:01 mircea_popescu it's that you attempt to re-value the item in quiestion [woman] by future considerations [the sort that will have done X[
21:02 mircea_popescu this is not how it works.
21:02 mircea_popescu whatever she sucks&fucks for, she's exactgly the same object.
21:02 asciilifeform so mircea_popescu proposes that i cannot infer anything interesting from the fact that chick fucks for 20bux ?
21:02 mircea_popescu exactly.
21:02 asciilifeform anything useful at all?
21:02 mircea_popescu and in general, you can never use this mechanism, ever.
21:02 mircea_popescu you use it plenty, and the results are always crapolade.
21:02 mod6 i guess i can see how a high-class georgetown hooker might charge like 1k per night or someshit, but you can just drive down to baltimore and get laid 3x for 60, and keep the change for the crack.
21:03 asciilifeform let's try different profession. can mircea_popescu infer anything from the fact that mr joe programmer writes entire project for 200 bux ?
21:03 asciilifeform anything useful at all?
21:03 mircea_popescu mod6 or you can offer her 150 and unless she smells sucker she'll go for it.
21:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're yet to make 200 bux for tmsr work.
21:03 mod6 sure, put in a bid. see if some takers. always a solid bet.
21:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i said 200, specifically not 0
21:03 asciilifeform plenty of folks allah snackbar into small pieces for 0.
21:03 mircea_popescu fine, i'll buy you a steak.
21:03 asciilifeform but nobody - for 200.
21:04 mod6 actually, i'd bet there are folks, even here, that would do small spec'd out work for .50000000
21:04 mircea_popescu this is such trite nominalism. if they'll do it for 0, 200 bux really is not here or there.
21:04 asciilifeform i am somewhat floored that mircea_popescu appears to think whoring to be exempt from ordinary market mechanisms!
21:04 asciilifeform 2000 car is quite different from 200,000
21:04 mircea_popescu that is yet another strawman.
21:05 asciilifeform but cheap whore is precisely same as expensive?!
21:05 asciilifeform how strawman ?
21:05 mircea_popescu i do not think whoring is extempt from market mechanisms. i KNOW that what you misrepresent as "market mechanisms" is pure usg ideology and has not ever SEEN a market.
21:05 mircea_popescu ie, this "item is bad because it was cheap" nonsense is ONLY THERE to prop up the "item is good because was expensive" idiocy.
21:05 mircea_popescu neither of these are market related. they're pure ustardia.
21:06 asciilifeform is mircea_popescu telling me that 'expensive whore' is 'veblen good' ? (if he is, i will believe him, i know ~as much re whoring as about deep ocean currents)
21:06 mircea_popescu she's not made of fucking soap!
21:06 asciilifeform i did not say 'sucks because high mileage'
21:06 mircea_popescu doesn't wear down with use.
21:06 asciilifeform but because why doesn't the high-quality one charge moar
21:06 mircea_popescu yes but wtf is she going to charge 1k for ?
21:06 mircea_popescu think for a moment. she does 4 an hour.
21:06 mircea_popescu whose work is in SUCH high demand specifically that they HAVE TO charge 4k an hour to control the herds ?
21:07 asciilifeform for there being a queue 25km long, vs the fiddybux whore's 1km ?
21:07 asciilifeform thin the queue, make moar?
21:07 mircea_popescu all i ever seen were whores queuing
21:07 mircea_popescu seeing how erection still only item in short supply in sex market
21:07 mircea_popescu where did you see dudes queing to cunt ?
21:07 asciilifeform this is still a mega-puzzler
21:07 phf i personally know girls that charge the entire range from about 200 to 1500, they list on high end escort services, because they can pull it off, but they also list on various adultfinder variations, because that's a quick buck. i don't know what's the lowest they went for, i should ask, but this definitely doesn't work like "market forces"
21:07 mircea_popescu except on specially arranged sets catering to this particular fantasy, there's one guy in a car buying and a buncha chicks queuing.
21:07 asciilifeform erection is literally cheapest thing in known earth.
21:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and the soviets thought "satellite launch cheapest- costs nothing"
21:08 mircea_popescu yeah, while empire lasts.
21:08 mircea_popescu erection is hard and difficult and lasts but a trifle.
21:08 mircea_popescu cunt's wet for 40 years straight.
21:08 mod6 death is free
21:08 mircea_popescu phf i know from experience pretty much EVERY escort, even those who charge 1-2-5k to corporate accounts, actually work for 1-200 ish.
21:09 asciilifeform the 'rare erection' thing is only even possible to picture if you discount the billion frustrated teenagers walking around hard 24/7
21:09 mircea_popescu similarly, plumber will charge you 4500 if you're paying, why not.
21:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they walk around hard 24/7 until they meet a girl, after which they discover teenaged female needs 5-6 of them.
21:09 phf mircea_popescu: exactly
21:09 mircea_popescu in sane countries happens around 10th grade, but ustardia is its own world.
21:10 asciilifeform i dun get this, a healthy bloke reloads in 10, 20 (if he shoveled dirt all day) min.
21:10 mircea_popescu once.
21:10 mircea_popescu and no, shoveled dirt all day bloke does fine, good blood. office twerp, not so fine.
21:10 mircea_popescu but anyway. once. and then ? she's still there.
21:12 phf there's no shortage of stamina in the head
21:12 mod6 anyway, my point was, if you wanna fuck, no need to drop a stack.
21:14 asciilifeform mod6: if you're young/pretty you can fuck for phreeee, sure
21:14 mircea_popescu for women you mean ?
21:14 asciilifeform anybody
21:14 mod6 well, there's always "phreeee". but... just sayin, you don't need to spend $1k. $100 is a long way from $1000
21:15 mircea_popescu not really. young boys have a terrible time. nigh on impossible for old women.
21:15 mircea_popescu maybe if they're very careful.
21:15 mircea_popescu meanwhile if you keep in decent shape, you're good till you finally lose interest
21:15 mircea_popescu w/e that it.
21:15 mircea_popescu is&
21:15 phf wasn't lafond talking how the older he gets the more attention he gets
21:15 asciilifeform the man was a boxer!
21:15 mircea_popescu im not so sure how far i trust his self-evals, but anyway
21:15 asciilifeform certainly didn't rot in no office.
21:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat".
21:16 * asciilifeform has deeply nfi, will believe mircea_popescu.
21:16 mircea_popescu it's not a good athlete.
21:16 mircea_popescu ex-runner, you got something. ex swimmer.
21:16 mircea_popescu olympics anything generally.
21:17 mircea_popescu but not us football / boxing / hockey etc.
21:17 phf that's like those office "college quarterbacker" guys, almost always in the worst shape, particularly since delusional about past achievements
21:19 phf can be challenged to feats of athleticism when drunk with predictably sad results
21:20 mircea_popescu heh
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21:43 mod6 mircea_popescu: ok i made you a thing
21:44 mod6 actually 54 of 'em @ 181q
21:53 mircea_popescu trade me mod6
22:03 jurov z/znc clearallchannelbuffers
22:04 jurov doh
22:17 mod6 ah sorry, got distracted.
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22:46 mircea_popescu btw trinque what was the thing with btcalpha interconnect ? got a rss or something for mike_c ?
22:58 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat". << His pictures seem to acurately represent his self declared 50 or so pounds over fighting weight.
23:03 mircea_popescu a ? never seen any pix
23:08 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He has some author photos on Amazon and places he guest writes.
23:09 mircea_popescu a ok
23:15 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/dragons-tale-a-bitcoin-linux-mmorpg/ << checkj out what i dug up
23:20 trinque $gettrust mike_c
23:20 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 5 by 2 connections.
23:20 trinque mike_c: you want a postgresql connection?
23:21 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/04/fbi-investigates-soup-can-heist/ << ok i lollered :D
23:21 trinque mike_c: then you can perform whatever queries are useful to you when you sync data
23:21 mircea_popescu wow is that actually practical ?
23:22 trinque sure, he's in my WoT, happy to grant him access to some tables
23:22 mircea_popescu hm. i wonder why this isn't more often done then ?
23:23 mircea_popescu i mean, make him a user, give it select priviledges, done.
23:23 trinque exactly
23:23 mircea_popescu basically once bdb is killed in bitcoin we can just have a standared tmsr db and just do this ?
23:24 trinque I had an old boss who thought the web ought to be composed of interlinked databases rather than "websites", certainly not the only man to say this
23:24 trinque but makes a hell of a lot of sense
23:25 mircea_popescu at least temporarily, for as long as the usual fucktards don't "improve" sql to be more... "responsive"
23:25 mircea_popescu "to the users' perceived needs".
23:25 mircea_popescu i'd sure as fuck trade in html soup in exchange for sql.
23:25 trinque may its hellish syntax hold the line
23:26 trinque yep
23:26 mircea_popescu and this is even before any flash blabla.
23:26 mircea_popescu i still suspect there's a good reason this doesn't work tho.
23:29 trinque there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db
23:30 trinque wot seems to solve that, and is exactly the reason I'm willing to open the db to mike_c
23:31 trinque but then, you could even split it such that certain users may only use certain views, others may create their own queries
23:31 asciilifeform this smacks of the proverbial 'for 20k, i drill my OWN holez!'
23:32 trinque I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing.
23:40 trinque further, any system that manages a large pile of persistent data will end up reinventing ACID, relational integrity, so on, in the same manner that any object system may eventually find it is some degree of shitty subset of CLOS
23:40 trinque there are obvious problems that fall out of many programs diddling the same data concurrently, or users of different levels of access interacting with the same data model, or what happens when I didn't write all the damn data successfully, or... or...
23:53 mod6 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 << these are the real deals 'eh?
23:53 a111 Logged on 2014-07-16 17:44 mike_c: need zocchi dice
23:54 trinque mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
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23:54 trinque and ftr, the dream described above *would be a motherfucking database*
23:54 trinque lol
23:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1450999 << ip?! invitation for mitm?
23:56 a111 Logged on 2016-04-13 03:54 trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
23:56 trinque and what the fuck is rss
23:59 trinque I am entirely willing to do a shitty thing that doesn't kill me while I am waiting for something else.
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