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00:01 pete_dushenski just left davout a comment on his blog re: 'line in sand'. we shall see.
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03:02 deedbot- [Trilema] Yes there is a difference between rational and correct - http://trilema.com/2016/yes-there-is-a-difference-between-rational-and-correct/
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08:59 mircea_popescu $rated kakobrekla
08:59 deedbot mircea_popescu rated kakobrekla 5 at 3571240878 << too much stuff to list. inquire within..
09:00 mircea_popescu $rate kakobrekla -5 Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
09:01 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a23614d9-074e-489c-9c83-15b4a6390c50/
09:01 mircea_popescu $v 2186181242C57B20D65D0B77F050C169103D6FBE05F0D9DB1307E9F05E26FA1F
09:01 deedbot mircea_popescu updated rating of kakobrekla from 5 to -5 << Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
09:02 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c i dun recall what you answered. are you planning to move btcalpha over to deedbot data or ?
09:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
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09:18 jurov fetching from mpex via rss works fine, too
09:23 mircea_popescu i meant the wot
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10:16 shinohai gm #trilema
10:17 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
10:17 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.88, vol: 4009.71782923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.368, vol: 6935.93952 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.48, vol: 8064.45609267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 414.98, vol: 0.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 423.343905, vol: 23764.06980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 423.822, vol: 683.21392793 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.750727, vol: 57.72957771 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
10:30 shinohai ;;more
10:30 gribble 422.270388271
10:41 trinque $up ____
10:41 deedbot ____ voiced for 30 minutes.
10:53 asciilifeform who's ____ ?
10:53 asciilifeform $gettrust ____
10:53 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
10:55 shinohai Fill in teh blank
11:00 ____ lol i messed up my nick
11:00 ____ i'm only a n00b :P
11:15 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/linux-kernel-lawsuit-sco-v-ibm-is-alive-13-years-and-counting << l0l!
11:17 shinohai For your viewing pleasure: https://i.imgur.com/VqLqb6l.jpg
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11:52 jurov unencrypted http is dead http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.07128
11:54 asciilifeform jurov: e.g., tor nodes, have been substing btc addrs for yearz
11:55 mircea_popescu heh, internet of shit ftw.
11:57 asciilifeform 'Edge ISPs that inject false content affect their customers only. However, in this work we show that not only edge ISPs may inject false content, but also core network operators. These operators can potentially alter the traffic of all Internet users who visit predetermined websites. We expose this practice by inspecting a large amount of traffic originating from several networks...'
11:58 asciilifeform this was called, what, 'foxacid' ?
11:58 asciilifeform or was it 'ferretcannon.'
11:58 jurov QUANTUMINSERT
11:59 mircea_popescu derpysmurf ?
12:00 asciilifeform jurov: ah i think that was it.
12:00 jurov mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
12:00 mircea_popescu aha.
12:07 asciilifeform 'blackholing' ftw
12:07 asciilifeform (if anyone thinks this is not being done to bitcoin, there is a bridge for sale)
12:17 asciilifeform https://www.owlfolio.org/research/bootstrapping-trust-in-compilers << lulzy, folks reinventing the inevitable
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13:05 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/uel.txt
13:09 mircea_popescu $voice deedbot-
13:09 mircea_popescu heh mk.
13:09 trinque that one just died.
13:09 mircea_popescu the botpile!
13:09 asciilifeform mpex.co no longer showing mpoe ?
13:10 asciilifeform bug? feature ?
13:11 PeterL mircea_popescu meant to take down bbet and removed mpoe instead?
13:11 mircea_popescu well, the one bot is unvoiced and so on. but : http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/
13:11 asciilifeform ah.
13:12 mircea_popescu but - that someone noticed & reported within 20 seconds is rather flattering o.O
13:12 * asciilifeform was not first to notice
13:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interesting. am i thick or what am i missing, but afaik 0 implications in re the things that i do...
13:17 * asciilifeform goes back to sleep
13:17 mircea_popescu uh... ok ?
13:17 mircea_popescu does it have to have some ?
13:17 asciilifeform nono
13:17 asciilifeform was trying to get measure of how thick i am.
13:18 asciilifeform though i can see one possible interesting, to civilians, item - that's a megatonne of coin that is now in circulation again.
13:18 ben_vulpes half a mil!
13:19 mircea_popescu "circulation" is a complex thing.
13:19 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: as much congratulations as are due and as many condolences.
13:19 asciilifeform well yes, it is a theoretical thing, entirely conceivable that none of the recipients will blow it
13:19 PeterL but it's mostly just mp shifting coin from one pocket to another, what changed, really?
13:20 mircea_popescu to force a comparison slighty : mergers and acquisitions in new york don't necessarily result in gold reserve trucks moving back and forth between ny and virginia or w/e.
13:20 ben_vulpes PeterL: did you /read/ the thing? it is not longer even remotely possible to own a stake in the thing anymore.
13:20 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes he reads ~half iirc.
13:20 ben_vulpes > and in general remain committed to the success of Bitcoin << aw, that's sweet of you
13:20 PeterL just finishing reading right now
13:20 * mircea_popescu waves
13:20 asciilifeform at least no one will ever call it a pyramid again !!1111
13:20 mircea_popescu ahahaha
13:21 mircea_popescu because why, there's connection between words and things now ?
13:21 mircea_popescu check out the mpex magic!
13:21 asciilifeform hey recall, my main criticism of the demo run mircea_popescu gave me in '12 was 'i made too much coin investing in the exchange itself'
13:22 deedbot- [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) Closing Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/
13:22 mircea_popescu lol.
13:28 mircea_popescu all in all, what a spring eh!
13:35 asciilifeform axe-time, sword-time (tm) (r)
13:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i missed the billion mit dollars thing ?
13:36 asciilifeform where was it
13:37 mircea_popescu ;;google mit media lab sucks 900000 dicks
13:37 gribble 20 BTC reward for bitaddress.org issue : Bitcoin - Reddit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3k0sxc/20_btc_reward_for_bitaddressorg_issue/>; Why you must get bitcoin : Bitcoin - Reddit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2c8ikd/why_you_must_get_bitcoin/>; Real life stories of people screwed at Gox... : Bitcoin - Reddit: (1 more message)
13:37 mircea_popescu awww.
13:37 mircea_popescu check it out, all google knows about mit is reddit.
13:38 mircea_popescu apt.
13:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: '...in 2016 common people simply can not buy new miners, no matter what happens and how much money they're willing to spend...' << ahahaha precisely what i predicted when i showed up
13:46 asciilifeform because mega-obvious imho.
13:46 mircea_popescu hey, gotta give people a chance.
13:46 asciilifeform the publicly-sold-miners thing was 100% chumpstrapping
13:46 asciilifeform (bootstrapping via fraudulent preorder thing)
13:46 mircea_popescu in one view. in the other view, it was pure opportunity
13:46 mircea_popescu which the imbeciles passed on, because hey. they fucking know better
13:47 mircea_popescu and are going to make blender gravel.
13:47 asciilifeform which imbeciles ?
13:47 mircea_popescu i was there for it - you weren't there for it. i tell you it was a lot more of this than of that. but yes both existed.
13:47 asciilifeform i was definitely not 'there' aha.
13:47 mircea_popescu "bitcoin community" imbeciles.
13:47 asciilifeform ah
13:47 mircea_popescu look through the list, lemme quote for you.
13:48 mircea_popescu https://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php << you see all those names ?
13:48 mircea_popescu they're ALL names of losers. these people - failed.
13:49 mircea_popescu they could have been someone and done something. instead - they chose to be themselves.
13:49 asciilifeform idk, iirc nanotube came out pretty well ?
13:49 mircea_popescu (yes, yes, "exceptions exist". sure, not all idiots are equally idiotic. nevertheless - none kept up with the coin.)
13:50 mircea_popescu define "came out pretty well".
13:50 mircea_popescu absentee owner of dead irc channel, the kakobrekla before kakobrekla. what's so well about this ?
13:50 mircea_popescu back in 2014, after the wot split, tried to get him to fix gribble so it's no longer retarded. guess what ? still retarded, stateful auth, you name it.
13:50 asciilifeform i do not know enough to usefully say. but iirc mircea_popescu introduced him as 'fuck-you-moneyed' character.
13:51 mircea_popescu he's a bright fellow, an an economics professor. and the opportunity has passed him by.
13:51 mircea_popescu was tall enough for a few years in the beginning.
13:52 asciilifeform 'economics professor' ranks somewhere near 'catholic priest' in my mental order
13:52 asciilifeform is it even possible for honest fella to carry out this job in englisch world ?
13:52 mircea_popescu a lot of the bitterness of pioneers, espoused perhaps in its best form by cagney in that film ? ( http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 )
13:53 mircea_popescu yes, all the indians, and the prospectors, and the homesteaders and the whatnot can be all the butthurt they want at how they got "kicked out of their thing"
13:53 mircea_popescu the problem is that nobody kicked them out. the thing grew, they stayed the same.
13:53 adlai butthurt? i'm froffflmfaong!
13:53 mircea_popescu how are you involved in teh discussion adlai ?
13:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i thought the moral of that snippet was that the folks somehow believed that they had a ~share~
13:53 asciilifeform rather than a fixed parcel
13:54 mircea_popescu people can believe the fuck they want.
13:54 mircea_popescu fuck, or get off the pig.
13:54 adlai mircea_popescu: member of the peanut gallery, warmer of bleachers, leader of cheering squad, etc.
13:54 mircea_popescu adlai ok ok, but the discussion is re old timers that got left behind. you're what, 2015 ?
13:54 mircea_popescu you still got time to fail, what's your rush.
13:54 adlai "time's complicated"
13:54 mircea_popescu heh i guess it is.
13:55 mircea_popescu $unrate assbot
13:55 asciilifeform 13:54 <+mircea_popescu> fuck, or get off the pig. << win!
13:55 adlai all i know is that the 'accounts' abomination thinks i move more coin than s.mpoe at peak frenzy
13:55 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/80078803-4110-4efc-b65e-71ebd0bf3859/
13:56 mircea_popescu $v 8921F9C4D1F47587D6F6E611BD111EB73CE5DD0813C5E3916A5B2C3C0988D892
13:56 deedbot mircea_popescu unrated assbot.
13:58 mircea_popescu and i suspect a lot of the popular hatred of inflation has absolutely nothing to do with inflation's ills, but quite the opposite ; and instead is a nude and rude displeasure at this "oh, now that i'm on the pig i can't just sit here and pick my nose ?!?!" thing
13:58 mircea_popescu people want to have achieved rather than achieve, apparently. it seems to me a modern affliction, this, but who even knows.
13:59 asciilifeform recall the 'biological stages' thread ?
13:59 mircea_popescu aha ?
13:59 asciilifeform part of it is the senescence thing
13:59 mircea_popescu sure.
14:00 asciilifeform everybody at some point gets to the place where they ~can't~ tread water
14:00 mircea_popescu the bigger part of it however - is the failure to thrive thing.
14:00 asciilifeform but the other thing is that nobody really likes treading water
14:00 asciilifeform and everyone sees folk who aren't treading, and still float
14:00 mircea_popescu from its humble beginnings as "i dunno if i'm ready for you to move in yet" to its full blown "i'm in bitcoin hurr durr", it's the same thing.
14:00 mircea_popescu senescence'd be fine, if the neotenous corpses HAD GROWN AT SOME FUCKING POINT.
14:00 asciilifeform illustrate ?
14:01 mircea_popescu sure. stalin was an unwashed small time thief.
14:01 mircea_popescu that turned bank robber
14:01 mircea_popescu that turned field marshall
14:01 mircea_popescu that turned churchill down.
14:01 asciilifeform how many stalins and how many shoemakers ?
14:01 mircea_popescu he ~grew~ with the fucking thing.
14:01 mircea_popescu yawell.
14:07 mircea_popescu on the other hand, imagine the october revolution if EVERYONE involved had stayed small time govt clerk/whatever the fuck they were. a ?
14:08 asciilifeform in what sense is that a revolution ?
14:08 asciilifeform rather it is 'day job as usual', no ?
14:09 mircea_popescu bickering endlessly in that tedious, god forsaken unreadable style of dostoyevski's, about who should have done what or w.e the fuck , i can never finish a page of his dialogue.
14:09 asciilifeform it sums to 0.
14:12 asciilifeform holy fuq, i'm now getting 'work at ft meade!111' spamola!
14:12 asciilifeform apparently this is a thing!
14:15 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/iceland-pm-resigns-following-protests-over-offshore-investments
14:15 asciilifeform 'The Panama secrecy leak claimed its first casualty after Iceland’s Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson resigned following allegations he had sought to hide his wealth and dodge taxes.'
14:16 * asciilifeform would like to know who imagined that any of these folks paid tax !
14:16 shinohai Yesterday: "I will *not* resign" Today: "I quit"
14:18 mircea_popescu i have nfi, but w/e.
14:29 phf (if people trying to access patches etc. things are at present down)
14:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-little-bit-of-bitcoin-history/ possibly of interest, dunno if you ever saw it b4.
14:32 asciilifeform i recall this
14:32 asciilifeform it is how mircea_popescu came to subj
14:32 mircea_popescu aha
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15:14 phf hehehe, sorry pete you're no longer first #t-a post, i discovered that i had timezone issue, that's now been corrected
15:22 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445586
15:31 * trinque applauds
15:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28 << win
15:32 asciilifeform ^ illustrated ! ^
15:41 asciilifeform https://github.com/blog/2144-gpg-signature-verification << shithub cribs from phf !
15:41 asciilifeform (or from trb at any rate, iirc mod6 had this in his original diagrammator)
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16:06 danielpbarron i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing
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16:24 phf since i fucked up the timezone again, had to refresh the log, so now inaugural first #t-a post belongs to diana_coman
16:26 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440678 << ftr, ^^
16:30 diana_coman ha, love the dragon
16:32 trinque yep the reference links are very nice. thanks phf!
16:36 phf :)
16:38 ben_vulpes super.
16:39 * shinohai also likes the dragon ...
16:40 jurov Fits the mythology, i guess.
16:42 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/Se4oxY3.jpg
16:42 deedbot- [Qntra] MPEx Goes Private - http://qntra.net/2016/04/mpex-goes-private/
16:47 jurov ^ calling our resident conspiration theorist asciilifeform: why mircea_popescu feels necessary to draw parallels with bitbet?
16:48 asciilifeform jurov: i have deeply nfi
16:48 asciilifeform mp's productions are so opaque that i cannot even conjecture about the mechanics, which is, i suppose, precisely how he likes it.
16:50 jurov !b 1
16:50 gribble Error: "b" is not a valid command.
16:50 asciilifeform i have no problem with this, nowhere did he promise a mega-explanation for everything he does, srsly
16:52 ben_vulpes consumers have come to whatever it was
16:57 jurov jus' asking if anyone understood it. or it was only exclusively aimed to meta-trilema
16:59 jurov he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous
16:59 asciilifeform if i had to guess, from my grossly inadequate picture, why he did it, why not the simple hypothesis - buy it back while it is mega-cheap
16:59 asciilifeform but of what interest is my guess.
16:59 jurov dunno what that makes of the chinese miners theory
17:00 diana_coman jurov, do you mean this: The notion that some fiat pretend-sovereign or other has anything to do with this measure is significantly less sensible than the notion that 17 Bitcoin and change is what caused the closure of Bitbet, as ridiculous as that notion may be.?
17:00 jurov yes that
17:01 diana_coman the way I read it, it says: a. the fiat pretend-sovereign has nothing to do with mpex going private b. bitbet did NOT die because of 17 btc
17:01 diana_coman I don't see the link fiat pretend-sovereign - bbet
17:02 diana_coman how do you make that link?
17:02 jurov i did not know what to make of it and how it goes together
17:02 asciilifeform implication here, if i understand, is that mining as we know it is a work of fiat sovereigns
17:03 danielpbarron what implication? he explicitly stated that other people haven't stepped up to make bitcoin better
17:03 asciilifeform danielpbarron: jurov's
17:04 jurov okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it
17:04 jurov *reads
17:11 BingoBoingo <jurov> he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous << Well gotta consider what happened soon after S.Dice delisted
17:16 asciilifeform speaking of bbet,
17:16 asciilifeform http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-second-progress-report#comment-8398
17:16 jurov what happened?
17:16 jurov what happened after s.dice, i mean
17:18 danielpbarron http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ << this, no?
17:19 danielpbarron $gettrust znort987
17:19 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
17:19 BingoBoingo jurov: Erik settled with SEC over his twitter GLBSE thing
17:21 trinque $up abd
17:21 deedbot abd voiced for 30 minutes.
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17:43 mircea_popescu o hey check it out, new log
17:43 adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0FA22WH.txt
17:44 mircea_popescu phf any chance we get text/author separator vertical aligned ?
17:44 deedbot- accepted: 1
17:44 mircea_popescu ditching the timestamps explicitly i can see, roll-over seems better
17:45 mircea_popescu but really, can there be timestamp ? maybe http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04-21-53#1445586 or somesuch ?
17:46 mircea_popescu ah that'd break links, huh. hm.
17:47 mircea_popescu so if i do http://btcbase.org/log/30-04-2013#7173 i get 404 ; whyssat ?
17:49 mircea_popescu from:mircea 100 entries in 0.29s :D
17:49 mircea_popescu does it only find 100 ?
17:50 * adlai now being contract-free, nestles down to read that other 'closing statement'
17:50 mircea_popescu danielpbarron> i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing << am i missing something ?
17:50 mircea_popescu and what dragon!
17:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> mp's productions are so opaque <<< weren't you running a simulation ?
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17:52 danielpbarron if you link the log, that line gets a reference link to where you mentioned it
17:52 danielpbarron and there's an image of a dragon separating b-a from t
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17:53 mircea_popescu jurov> okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it << what exactly is tortured ? "a is less than b, and b is less than epsilon".
17:56 mircea_popescu o hey check it out. nice dragon!
17:57 jurov you actually worded it as "a is significantly less than b, and b is less than epsilon"
17:57 jurov dunno if anything can be significantly less than epsilon
17:57 mircea_popescu hm. this is actually an interesting question.
17:57 jurov unless there are negative numbers in play or somesuch
17:57 mircea_popescu is your definition of epsilon "such a value that nothing can be picked significantly smaller than it" ?
17:58 jurov depends on definition of "significant"
17:58 jurov whether on infinitesimally small value can be "significantly" compared to another
17:59 mircea_popescu anyway. epsilon just means "very small", in which case the sentence works. i think i actually like your definition better, in which case the word is used frivolously, for stylistic effect.
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17:59 mircea_popescu (the word = significantly)
17:59 mike_c To do deedbot based wot, I'd need dumps
17:59 mike_c do those exist?
18:00 mircea_popescu if you need, you shall have! any requirements ?
18:00 mike_c not really. I currently suck in daily dumps. I'd be open to some more realtime arrangement, which would require further thought
18:00 mircea_popescu trinque can you accommodate the gent ?
18:01 mircea_popescu mike_c maybe hourly diffs ? rss updates ?
18:01 mircea_popescu i tell you one usercase (new eulora players) really makes me want moar realtime.
18:01 mike_c a feed would certainly work
18:02 mircea_popescu is there anything substantially wrong with just polling a rss feed whenever your server feels like it ?
18:02 mircea_popescu iirc we don't hate rss, or do we ?
18:03 mike_c nothing wrong with that. available db dumps would still be good for rebuilding from scratch if necessary
18:03 mircea_popescu yeah.
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18:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446446 <<<< lemme try this shizzel
18:06 mircea_popescu ohohoo
18:06 mircea_popescu neat!
18:06 trinque mike_c: couple of days and I'll get ya both dumps and something to poll for realtime data
18:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446446 <<<< lemme try this shizzel #2
18:06 mircea_popescu howling shit!
18:06 mike_c trinque: great
18:06 mircea_popescu phf what's the most referenced line plox ?
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18:08 mircea_popescu OMFG! so these useless imbeciles have added every last thing to utf EXCEPT A TITS GLYPH ?
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18:08 mircea_popescu for the love of fuck. how can people be this thick.
18:10 mircea_popescu so i gotta do (•)(•) yet fucking obscure language can't spell out its shit ? burn it down i say.
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18:26 BingoBoingo Shelter in place https://i.imgur.com/qKCnpLa.png
18:29 shinohai Why not let the fuckers stay and take bets on how long the fat will burn?
18:35 BingoBoingo No, the point is it is safest for them to stay because of their immobilities and condishuns
18:38 mike_c ;seen davout
18:38 mike_c ;;seen davout
18:38 gribble davout was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <davout> ouch
18:43 mike_c after much combing of logs and blogs, I can't figure out whether mp decided that davout was actually due another 200 btc and disbursement is pending, or if lists were still being checked and there was not yet agreement
18:44 mike_c i see mp saying "i've got the coin but am verifying lists", but not where that ended up.
18:46 mike_c is it still up in the air?
18:46 mod6 wow. just saw the news.
18:46 mike_c oh, that little thing about mpex going private?
18:46 mod6 Ya.
18:48 mike_c yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr?
18:48 mod6 heheh.
18:52 mike_c I assume mpif can't be far behind, given the lack of anything worth investing in.. talk about a dead zone for btc income investing.
19:00 mircea_popescu mike_c lists still being combed, but in principle agreement yes.
19:00 mircea_popescu and yeah, mpif is prolly going to close next month.
19:01 mod6 maybe a good time to take the chance to say; Thanks for all the hard work over the years. I gather that it's far from easy. Salud!
19:02 mike_c Quite the clean shutdown of a huge listing too
19:04 mircea_popescu cheers.
19:04 mircea_popescu ideally, while the work is never easy, it's easiest for the one doing it. at least, if capital allocation works worth a shit.
19:06 mike_c yes, but davout isn't around
19:06 mike_c sweet jesus
19:07 mike_c new irc client is giving me fits
19:07 shinohai what client did you end up with mike_c
19:08 mike_c i am trying irssi for first time
19:08 mike_c and enjoying it
19:08 shinohai I used irssi long ago before my switch to weechat.
19:08 mircea_popescu sounds like it :D
19:08 mike_c no, I really am. just got to get used to it
19:09 mod6 yeah <3 irssi
19:09 mike_c before I start spilling my private keys in public windows hopefully :)
19:09 * shinohai likes the ability to switch between cli or webclient at any time.
19:09 mircea_popescu lol
19:09 mod6 took me a while to get my conf setup the way i liked it, but its been pretty much the same now for 10 years probably.
19:10 mod6 best thing about irssi, it'll ask you if "you're sure" if you try to paste like more than 5 lines or something.
19:10 mod6 well, maybe not best thing, but ~a~ nice feature.
19:10 mike_c heh, yeah, I can see that being handy
19:14 mircea_popescu mike_c> yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr? << in fairness... mpex listed itself by reverse-merger with the then-listed mpoe ; which continued operation as a distinct profit center but that has meanwhile discontinued. it's such a historical layering of evolutions etc that some restructuring years later seems inevitable.
19:15 mike_c and not a bad thing either for it to be restructured. things change, quickly around here. I was just pointing out that s.mpoe was a steady ride up until the death of mpoe-pr, and then bumpiness ensued.
19:16 mike_c perhaps coincidence ;)
19:17 mircea_popescu true, huh.
19:18 * mircea_popescu recalls the time when mpoe divs were easily in the k's of btcs and mpex barely counted in the mix.
19:19 asciilifeform irssi rocks
19:21 * mod6 remembers translating all of the original MPOE text from .ro
19:22 mircea_popescu ahaha yeah. first year or so huh
19:22 mod6 Yeah, was the autumn of '11.
19:22 mod6 Something like that.
19:22 mircea_popescu at the time trilema readership was mostly ro dudes.
19:22 mod6 No education that you could buy could compare to the last four years.
19:30 mircea_popescu funny thing, people derping in 2012 "oh no way mpex is worth what, almost 1 mn ?!?!?!?!"
19:30 mircea_popescu by 2014 "o no wai it's worth 1bn!111"
19:30 mircea_popescu it's like... ooook.
19:31 BingoBoingo Ending at half a million not bad
19:31 mircea_popescu there's worse fates fs.
19:32 * BingoBoingo hasn't done the math to see what qntra is worth lately
19:32 mircea_popescu $vwap s.qntr
19:32 deedbot $vwap s.qntr is not a command.
19:33 mircea_popescu mebbe one day it is!
19:33 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--j_gUUw4a--/18ich0cl88iu7jpg.jpg << shelby billet
19:33 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:33 mircea_popescu "S.QNTR": {"1d": {"avg": "","min": "","max": "","vsh": "","vsa": "","cnt": ""}, "7d": {"avg": "13600","min": "13600","max": "13600","vsh": "1200","vsa": "16320000","cnt": "1"}, "30d": {"avg": "16574.1269813","min": "13514","max": "19947","vsh": "5552","vsa": "92019553","cnt": "5"}}
19:34 mircea_popescu ;;calc 16574.1269813 * 409368
19:34 gribble 6784917214.08
19:34 mircea_popescu almost 68
19:37 * BingoBoingo applauds
19:37 mod6 that's about 2x the foundation for sure.
19:39 mircea_popescu well the foundation is mebbe worth a little mroe than its chest.
19:40 ben_vulpes really how?
19:40 mircea_popescu i dunno, by same theory woman is worth more than her earrings!
19:40 ben_vulpes i thought cunt was woman's only saleable asset
19:41 mircea_popescu sealable!
19:41 ben_vulpes heh
19:41 ben_vulpes sorta
19:41 mircea_popescu hanbot seems to have made a bundle out of selling bile and lemonade squirts to the eye!
19:42 ben_vulpes hanbot is not "woman" in the same way that mod6 is not "redditor"
19:42 mircea_popescu well if you're going to distinguish like that...
19:42 mircea_popescu !!! TW !!!
19:42 gribble Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
19:42 ben_vulpes "twu wuv" ?
19:42 mircea_popescu ;;ud tw
19:43 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tw | tw. abbreviation for trigger warning warns the audience that the following media may be triggering for mental disorders such as eating disorders, self harm/injury,  ...
19:43 ben_vulpes ahaha
19:43 trinque lol
19:43 ben_vulpes i am actually noodling on an insanely cynical webapp
19:43 ben_vulpes http://triggerwarning.com
19:43 trinque adblock for triggers?
19:43 BingoBoingo "This site requires JavaScript and Cookies to be enabled. Please change your browser settings or upgrade your browser." << Nice app
19:44 mircea_popescu lol
19:44 ben_vulpes trinque: no, more of a "is this movie going to hurt muh feelz?"
19:45 ben_vulpes mostly 'cause i want a movie index categorized by rape, violence, blood, misogyny...
19:45 ben_vulpes war, ghosts etc
19:45 trinque bahaha
19:45 mircea_popescu why not have a general purpose categorizer
19:45 mircea_popescu also known as fucking dewey
19:46 ben_vulpes dds has rape category?!
19:46 ben_vulpes nyooz to me.
19:46 mircea_popescu it can get as fine as you want it to!
19:47 * ben_vulpes has spent an inordinate amount of time coercing a proprietary db to shit more instances of itself out, is rather fed up with proprietary things
19:49 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes is your classifier based on what, the scripts ?
19:50 ben_vulpes nono this is a /cynical/ play
19:50 ben_vulpes "crowds0urced"!
19:50 mircea_popescu you just doing the software for some idiots with too mcuh money because hey, ustardism/ngo ; and it won't work without data which they won't be able to get ?
19:50 mircea_popescu doh.
19:51 mircea_popescu and to think that if these people were just sold into slavery instead, everyone'd be better off, their misfortunate parents first and foremost.
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19:51 mod6 holy shit there's a log
19:51 mod6 it's almost like the second congress is in session
19:51 mod6 oh wait! :]
19:51 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what, you think i'm so foolish as to try semantic analysis on...all of the scripts?
19:51 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah and pretty cool log at that!
19:51 ben_vulpes imagine what the third congress will have
19:52 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's much easier than you think, because the rigours of producing explained obliquely somewhere on trilema actually force a very strict and mechanical language.
19:52 mircea_popescu read a shooting script once, notice all the capitalised terms ?
19:52 ben_vulpes "EXTERNAL"?
19:52 mircea_popescu for instance.
19:52 mircea_popescu once you get into VAGINA you know you're in trouble.
19:53 ben_vulpes hyuu
19:53 ben_vulpes how does search work on the new logz?
19:53 mircea_popescu shittily i presume :D searched for my stuff got a paltry 100 lines!!11
19:53 ben_vulpes what it's not streaming to the browser for rendering with js over websocket?!?!?!?!?!
19:53 ben_vulpes SHAME
19:53 ben_vulpes SHAME
19:54 ben_vulpes SHAME
19:54 mod6 did we find a bundle of the old logs?
19:54 ben_vulpes mod6: ayup
19:54 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: hey!
19:54 mod6 ah, wunderbar
19:54 ben_vulpes that was a very sneaky dodge.
19:54 mircea_popescu so wtf, derpy spam includes flyer from eatery. it offers... SANDWICHS. and BEBIDAS. which are... coke and shit.
19:55 mircea_popescu what in the ever loving fuck, i'm going to call someone to MAKE ME A FUCKING SANDWICH ?!
19:55 mod6 i love a good sandwich
19:55 mircea_popescu "please drive over with a sandwich, i'm retarded and have no women."
19:55 ben_vulpes how do i /use/ the new search
19:55 mircea_popescu mod6 and when you feel like one you make it!
19:55 mod6 fair.
19:55 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes saywut ?
19:56 mod6 best with my garden tomatoes too. yaaar!
19:56 mircea_popescu ikr ?
19:56 mircea_popescu im growing lovage.
19:56 mircea_popescu illegally imported, unknown in argentina.
19:56 ben_vulpes like from:ben_vulpes etc
19:56 mod6 nice
19:56 mircea_popescu i introduced a foreign species into a new habitat!
19:56 phf Had to connect from phone to address this one, searching "from:something" greps for that exact string, rather than semantic messages "from" "something". So only finds 100 or so messages with "from:mircea" in them
19:56 mod6 this year im goin hard on the cucumbers, so i can pickle the fuckers and make even better sandwiches.
19:57 mircea_popescu phf ah ah. dun fret, we'll survive till you get out of social engagements and get back to computer.
19:57 phf Haha k
19:57 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah proper pickles are a must. but the salt kind
19:57 * mircea_popescu fucking hates the vinegar bs.
~ 15 minutes ~
20:13 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/ << lol check out the antique, from back when ben_vulpes was benkay
20:19 mircea_popescu $s "and the boys mircea mircea after me"
20:19 deedbot $s "and the boys mircea mircea after me" is not a command.
20:20 mircea_popescu oh no search integration as of yet huh.
20:20 mircea_popescu trinque phf this is happening amirite ?
20:20 mircea_popescu (for the curious, the sauce of that lolz http://trilema.com/2013/i-was-right-you-were-wrong-again-feel-the-burn/#selection-323.1-272.53 )
20:25 adlai ben_vulpes: actually i think webapp works just fine: http://i.imgur.com/i0gQuzk.png
20:28 mod6 normally i have these dill ones. i don't dig the bread and butter ones much.
20:28 mod6 i gotta look and see here...
20:30 mod6 yeah, the kosher dills. these look to be like water, vinegar and salt for the brine.
20:30 mod6 i'd go as far to say that I've never even had a salt pickle.
20:31 mod6 "salt pickles like your great grandmother used to make..." yeah, i'd bet i've never even had one.
20:32 mod6 have to give that a try
20:32 * adlai don't want a pickle... just wanna ride on his motor sickle
20:32 mod6 get in line
20:32 adlai and iiii don't wanna die... just wanna ride on my motor sigh. ckle.
20:34 * asciilifeform revvs up motorsigh
20:35 adlai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPx2t7xoF1k
20:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446433 << that was ~cauchy~
20:37 asciilifeform y'know, back in the good ol' dayz
20:38 asciilifeform (def of epsilon)
20:38 mircea_popescu aha. nb.
20:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446421 << clearly my simpopescu needs wurk!111
20:39 mircea_popescu mod6 salt pickles are really fermented, not vinegared. they preserve because the lactobacillum keeps other bugs out
20:39 mircea_popescu anyone know how the fuck do i wipe dos blank lines in cli ?
20:39 mod6 this is neat-o. im gonna have to do some jars of those. i've got a lady who knows how to jar, is gonna show me this summer.
20:40 mircea_popescu sed / grep don't match ^$, awk doesn't match with NF > 0, i'm totally wtf'd.
20:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'dos2unix'
20:40 mircea_popescu can't i not have to do that ?
20:40 asciilifeform sure, awk, l0l
20:41 asciilifeform you'll have to explicitly spell out the cr lf heathenry tho
20:41 mircea_popescu :blank: also dones't catch it
20:41 asciilifeform it dun count as a lineend
20:41 mircea_popescu wyhat is it \r\n ?
20:42 mod6 oh like [CTRL+V CTRL+M]? This will yield you a matchable '^M'
20:42 mircea_popescu holy shit, -v "\r\n\" also doesn't catch it
20:42 mod6 so you can do like `sed s/^M//` or whatever
20:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446423 << i read it as 'here be dragonz' re the continuing but no longer tmsrtronic old logz
20:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446562 << surely you meant : sold for ~biodiesel~
20:45 asciilifeform (who wants these slavez?)
20:46 mircea_popescu mod6 crazily that matches nothing
20:46 mircea_popescu wtf.
20:46 asciilifeform try the actual escaped hex
20:47 mircea_popescu sed '/^
20:48 mircea_popescu oops i mean
20:48 mircea_popescu sed '/^\s*$/d' did it eventually
20:48 mircea_popescu i guess ghiost whitespace orf w/e
20:48 mod6 huh. yeah weird.
~ 26 minutes ~
21:14 mod6 while im rounding out the lib, any mega-b00k reccos on DFA?
21:16 asciilifeform hopcroft & ullman ?
21:17 asciilifeform or papadimitreou
21:17 mod6 hey thanks!
21:17 asciilifeform np.
21:18 asciilifeform get the h&u with the hot chick on cover!111
21:19 asciilifeform http://www.jeanmariechauvet.com/images/ref_automata.jpg
21:20 mod6 lol
21:22 asciilifeform unless you're actually mathematicizing, you prolly don't need a b00k re dfa...
21:22 asciilifeform simple enough concept.
21:22 mod6 werd. just something for shelve reference.
21:22 mod6 *shelf
21:36 asciilifeform in other not-quite-news, http://ideone.com/a1ky4l << ada mandelbrot generator, safely threaded, ~170 lines.
21:36 asciilifeform (by author of the 'random walk in ada' article.)
21:38 mod6 cool man
21:42 * adlai loves the ads for SPOJ claiming "learn how to code" in a site that lets people who know math compete in who knows more math
21:43 adlai but those glyphs have me wanting to learn braille again.
21:44 mod6 you learned braille?
21:44 adlai no, but i've wanted to ever since i realized my eyesight (which is pretty damn good) is not good enough.
21:44 adlai learning braile does not play well with practicing guitar, due to calluses.
21:45 mircea_popescu braille is a dead pursuit.
21:45 mod6 ah, yeah, like having wax fingertips
21:45 mircea_popescu it had its niche before computers. ~ nobody still learns it today.
21:45 adlai would chetty consume accelerated audio?
21:45 mircea_popescu and all sorts of screen readers and whatnot.
21:46 mircea_popescu she did learn braille originally ; never used it much past the 90s. also of course there's two.
21:46 adlai two?
21:46 mircea_popescu yes, two.
21:46 mod6 i had no idea her vision was that bad. i must be oblivious
21:46 * adlai doesn't understand what mircea_popescu means by "there's two". is this like "another skywalker"?
21:47 mod6 hell, sat there and talk to her for a good while, had no clue.
21:47 mircea_popescu mod6 she was EXTREMELY good at taking cues from, say, me. but generally people.
21:47 mircea_popescu adlai ie, two brailles, like they did a braille-ext or some shit
21:47 adlai oic
21:47 mod6 mircea_popescu: ah.
21:47 adlai my guess is that much more useful secret tongues are sign language and morse
21:49 adlai although realtime caesar cryptanalysis on permuted morse is probably past even mp-complete
21:51 mircea_popescu ahaha what ?
21:51 mircea_popescu check out amateur sigint
21:53 asciilifeform adlai: caesar cryptoanalysis on arbitrary symbol set is ~literally~ first week's homework at any half-decent school
21:53 asciilifeform second week's - same, with 'rotors'
21:53 adlai "week's homework" /= realtime
21:53 mircea_popescu ...
21:53 asciilifeform adlai: a few msec
21:53 asciilifeform srsly this is begging for mircea_popescu's article
21:54 asciilifeform where was it
21:54 adlai 'fits in head' has another interpretation.
21:54 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto
21:54 * adlai unlike trb donators has much more creative paranoiae
21:54 mircea_popescu he seems to propose that he'll takamakatotopipi so quickly you won't know what hitcha!
21:55 asciilifeform l0l
21:55 adlai it's the other way around. haven't you ever realized everybody around you is communicating in front of your face in a language you can't parse?
21:55 adlai cf meta-#t-a
21:56 * adlai is all about freedom of information; analysis, not concealment.
21:56 asciilifeform adlai is also about lsd ?
21:56 asciilifeform this is not a sin per se but makes it difficult to communicate
21:57 mircea_popescu see ? his crypto wurx
21:57 asciilifeform apparently!
21:57 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-03-2016#1436476 << yes, yes, etc. the awakeness knob goes to 11!
21:57 asciilifeform adlai: there is a proper log now
21:58 adlai it still doesn't insert quotes, this is not proper
21:58 asciilifeform adlai: e.g., ^ == http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-19#1436476
21:58 * adlai demonstrates: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436450 << adlai awake? or is he still digesting that kg of lsd.
21:59 asciilifeform adlai: click the arrow
21:59 adlai i don't want to click shit, i want text quoted in weechat without me moving an eyeball.
21:59 adlai this is what assbot did back in the good ol' days.
21:59 asciilifeform imho it would be optimal for the thing to spew old-style assbot spew, aha
21:59 asciilifeform so long as the latter doesn't interfere with the log browser's mechanisms re arrows
22:00 asciilifeform i can't be the only one who takes in the log at least half the time from the logtron
22:00 adlai recursing into inner links, across the log.b-a.chasm, left as an exercise to the industrious lisper
22:00 * adlai goes back to trying to make money make money
22:01 trinque wtf is this disconnected by services shit?
22:01 trinque why is IRC so damned terrible?
22:02 adlai in other news, http://www.learnmorsecode.com/pix/learn.gif is what i didn't even know i needed.
22:02 asciilifeform adlai: aha, huffman
22:02 asciilifeform whatever floatsyerboat
22:16 mircea_popescu trinque noidea.
22:27 asciilifeform so in other 'news', somewhere b/w 1/3 to 1/2 of ~all~ public nodez are ~admitted~ sybils at this point.
22:36 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That was January, mebbe February news and previously August-September news
~ 16 minutes ~
22:53 asciilifeform i find it difficult to imagine that mircea_popescu would not have known this. ergo on 'day x' he believed that he was connected directly to a mine.
22:55 asciilifeform (incidentally, the node/mine dichotomy is an excellent illustration of the 'protocol vs promise' principle. in that initially, they were one and the same - cpu miner was enabled. but this was 'promise' in the sense that nothing kept the two tethered together)
23:04 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-26#1 << new url to first log line, and its 2nd reference :)
23:18 adlai asciilifeform: would you argue that satoshi should've switched PoW each time a new optimized (ie, gpu, fpga, etc) miner was released, at least, before he sepukkud?
23:19 phf adlai: i'm half expecting bot to fall over at any second, you want it to spew log lines, you crazy, mang
23:20 asciilifeform adlai: iirc he vanished before gpu even.
23:20 adlai asciilifeform: not quite, iirc he wailed and gnashed teeth at the ungentlemanly conduct of ArtForz.
23:21 adlai http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/20/
23:23 asciilifeform the idiocy is of interest strictly to archaeologists.
23:26 * adlai sleeps, dreams of ketsaknives
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