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00:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4416 @ 0.00052157 = 2.3033 BTC [-] {2}
00:06 danielpbarron ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra/anybody-can-learn.asc.txt
00:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJQ7Dh )
00:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:08 BingoBoingo ty, another great find
00:10 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: For some reason the line spacing in this one got weird and it was infested with <div> tags, just cleaning them up and it will go up.
00:11 danielpbarron yeah i noticed that too, but i figured since my wordpress generated the stuff it would unpack to the same thing i saw in yours
00:13 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well there's a difference between what it wants to eat and what it shits out
00:14 BingoBoingo Anyways I guess today is danielpbarron shits on the Bill Gates charitable legacy day.
00:14 BingoBoingo * "charitable"
00:14 BingoBoingo forgot the scare quotes
00:17 danielpbarron neato, the thing lets me "privately publish" so I can keep my own copy of it without it cluttering up my draft list or showing up on the rss
00:18 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/03/anybody-can-learn-gets-it-in-the-breech/
00:18 assbot 'Anybody Can Learn' Gets It In The Breech | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJQXQo )
00:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00052815 = 3.1425 BTC [+] {2}
00:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00052816 = 2.4295 BTC [+] {2}
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03:29 BingoBoingo http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/9952758/The-horses-saddled-with-our-obesity-epidemic.html
03:29 assbot The horses saddled with our obesity epidemic - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiesPw )
03:29 BingoBoingo "The study of 152 horses from Devon and Cornwall found that just one in 20 riders is within the optimum weight range."
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03:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00052351 = 5.078 BTC [+] {5}
03:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00052157 = 20.3412 BTC [-]
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04:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00052532 = 3.5722 BTC [+]
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00052709 = 44.5391 BTC [+] {6}
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04:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00052532 = 2.2326 BTC [-]
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05:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27503 @ 0.00052338 = 14.3945 BTC [-] {3}
05:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00052283 = 6.0648 BTC [-]
05:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17283 @ 0.00052282 = 9.0359 BTC [-] {2}
05:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2617 @ 0.00052182 = 1.3656 BTC [-]
05:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00052182 = 8.2448 BTC [-]
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06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28156 @ 0.00052249 = 14.7112 BTC [+]
06:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38506 @ 0.0005221 = 20.104 BTC [-] {4}
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07:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12951 @ 0.00052362 = 6.7814 BTC [+]
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07:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36831 @ 0.00052182 = 19.2192 BTC [-] {2}
07:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31753 @ 0.00052155 = 16.5608 BTC [-] {5}
07:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00052118 = 11.3096 BTC [-]
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07:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14841 @ 0.00052102 = 7.7325 BTC [-] {2}
08:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2153 @ 0.00052079 = 1.1213 BTC [-]
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08:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00052173 = 18.7823 BTC [+] {3}
08:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00051998 = 3.0159 BTC [-]
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08:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00052353 = 17.355 BTC [+] {3}
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09:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00052162 = 17.6047 BTC [-] {2}
09:16 danielpbarron and in the prolly-was-rigged department, AlphaGo is allowed to lose on the 4th match
09:17 punkman danielpbarron: so it's 3-1 now?
09:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110589 @ 0.00051996 = 57.5019 BTC [-] {6}
09:17 fluffypony danielpbarron: it's his strategy
09:17 fluffypony lulling him into a false sense of security
09:27 danielpbarron punkman, yep. The win for Sedol is purely conciliatory
09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00051985 = 9.6692 BTC [-] {2}
09:35 nubbins` i admittedly DGAF about sedol vs alphago, but wasn't the series best 3 out of 5?
09:37 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i have nfi what's going on with those two articles. they don't even make sense.
09:37 mircea_popescu but as a sidepoint, this "style" thing is a lot like make-up. most young women look great without it ; in some cases, when well applied, can turn even mediocre women into total knockouts. but by the time it's measured by the lb, it ain't doing anyone any good.
09:38 mircea_popescu fluffypony> danielpbarron: it's his strategy <<< well, makes perfect sense. 3-2 win looks a lot better than 5-0 win, sez google pr.
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09:38 mircea_popescu they apparently didn't realise this going in. no ai in pr, yet.
09:39 shinohai ;;blocks
09:39 gribble 402478
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10:16 TomServo !up ascii_field
10:17 ascii_field ty TomServo . my relay seems to be b0rked.
10:17 ascii_field mircea_popescu: spent some time going over the games.
10:19 ascii_field the pile of 'yes' bets in the last few hours prior to closing, the particulars of how lee sedol went down, and now the 4th - give me a certain picture.
10:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00051915 = 20.0651 BTC [-] {3}
10:24 ascii_field in chinese sphere, there are also suspicions, e.g., lee sedol avoided starting ko (which bots have never shined at) until 3rd game, where he did so quite ineptly and after his loss was quite cemented
10:32 ascii_field my hypothesis is that he was not paid to lose, as such, but to keep a particular style of play, and he believed that he could win regardless.
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10:32 ascii_field fwiw.
10:33 ascii_field note also that, breaking with tradition, lee sedol's contract for this game included NO payment for showing up, nor a loser's prize
10:33 ascii_field he is playing, we are to believe, for phree...
10:35 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431469 << aha.
10:35 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 13:38:44; mircea_popescu: fluffypony> danielpbarron: it's his strategy <<< well, makes perfect sense. 3-2 win looks a lot better than 5-0 win, sez google pr.
10:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7932 @ 0.00051897 = 4.1165 BTC [-]
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11:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00052214 = 4.3077 BTC [+] {2}
11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00052282 = 8.0514 BTC [+]
11:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00052282 = 3.2415 BTC [+]
11:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00052098 = 22.7668 BTC [-] {3}
11:29 thestringpuller dunno what the hate on Neural Nets is...
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9230 @ 0.00052362 = 4.833 BTC [+] {2}
11:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00052161 = 7.6937 BTC [-] {2}
11:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00052079 = 17.3163 BTC [-] {3}
11:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.0005198 = 17.1534 BTC [-] {2}
12:01 danielpbarron !up lexborisov
12:01 lexborisov Hi, there!
12:02 danielpbarron hello!
12:02 danielpbarron You must be the 'myhtml' guy
12:02 lexborisov Yes it's me
12:02 danielpbarron glad to see you could make it
12:03 danielpbarron paging punkman asciilifeform mircea_popescu
12:04 lexborisov Sorry, but I do not understand what's going on here. That is what this chat?
12:06 danielpbarron yes it's a public channel in which people with an interest in bitcoin talk about anything
12:08 danielpbarron conversations may take place over long periods of time through use of referencing lines in the public log, which comes in handy when participants are not available to talk at the same time, as seems to be the case at the moment
12:08 danielpbarron for example: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2016#1431202
12:08 assbot Logged on 12-03-2016 13:14:31; mircea_popescu: let me enlighten you : it's "take a string that is definitionally misformed html, aka html soup, and transform it into sufficiently well formed html to render".
12:09 danielpbarron in the meantime, do you have a GPG key lexborisov ?
12:11 lexborisov No, if admit that I do not even know what it is
12:12 danielpbarron here's some reading material : http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gpg
12:12 assbot gpg [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3Y1rI )
12:12 lexborisov I'm from Russia for a long time choosing my words. My English is not so good as we would like. Sorry
12:13 danielpbarron I understand you well enough
12:18 lexborisov I need to get away for awhile. After returning to read through the links
12:18 danielpbarron ok
12:22 mircea_popescu heya lexborisov
12:22 mircea_popescu nice work with the html parser, how's it going ?
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12:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00052383 = 4.6097 BTC [+]
12:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00052044 = 19.4124 BTC [-] {4}
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13:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24169 @ 0.00052323 = 12.6459 BTC [+]
13:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8255 @ 0.0005243 = 4.3281 BTC [+] {2}
13:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21251 @ 0.00052014 = 11.0535 BTC [-] {2}
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13:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00051921 = 4.7767 BTC [-] {2}
13:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00051903 = 12.82 BTC [-] {3}
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14:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7434 @ 0.0005247 = 3.9006 BTC [+]
14:31 jurov http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/?_utm_source=1-2-2
14:31 assbot Microsoft Has Just Blackmailed Linux Twice in One Single Week and the Media Didn’t Notice or Just Ignored It Because of Microsoft’s Charm Offensives | Techrights ... ( http://bit.ly/1pFcOx1 )
14:33 jurov i wonder what alf will do when he receives inevitable cease and desist letter wrt gossipd/ada/anythingelse patents
14:40 ben_vulpes http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11504377/gdb-fails-with-unable-to-find-mach-task-port-for-process-id-error
14:40 assbot osx - gdb fails with "Unable to find Mach task port for process-id" error - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1QW8qAp )
14:40 * ben_vulpes sighs
14:41 * ben_vulpes sings https://youtu.be/4N7VK7vHwnw?t=37
14:41 assbot Moulin Rouge - Fly Away - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QW8wYI )
14:44 ben_vulpes inanity in detail if anyone cares: http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/lldb/lldb-69/docs/code-signing.txt
14:44 assbot code-signing.txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1QW8Oih )
14:46 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i have nfi what's going on with those two articles. they don't even make sense. << I'll get to cutting
14:51 danielpbarron jurov> i wonder what alf will do << lemme try and fill in while he's away : mega-snore! ubuntu, the winbl0wz of linux, thought it could make a smart-f0ne when obviously the mobile world is for usg-blessed corps
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14:53 danielpbarron i think there's already a precedent for the other part; see SEC vs MP
15:00 * mod6 has fun with scheme
15:02 mod6 im gonna tackle ada this week when my book gets here.
15:02 mod6 i did get gnat to work, so at least i can play with sample programs locally etc.
15:05 ben_vulpes here's to the grand unified microsoft-brand-linux-that-can-build-ios-apps
15:05 ben_vulpes let's just cram all the things i hate about my life into one tidy little package
15:08 fluffypony well you can build iOS apps on just about everything, so you can't get away from that
15:08 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/misbegats/
15:08 assbot Misbegats ... ( http://bit.ly/24YAM6y )
15:12 ben_vulpes there is no getting away fluffypony
15:12 ben_vulpes there is only the creeping hell
15:12 fluffypony lol
15:14 ben_vulpes at least i only had to type my password the *first* time i booted bitcoin under gdb
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15:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.0005218 = 10.6186 BTC [-] {2}
15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052135 = 2.3461 BTC [-] {3}
15:47 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
15:48 ascii_field in 4th game lee sedol actually decided to play with both hands and wiped the floor with the bot.
15:48 ascii_field mircea_popescu ^
15:49 ascii_field it is a ~recognizably~ leesedolish game
15:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431536 << danielpbarron has it. ubuntu is not linux.
15:51 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 18:51:57; danielpbarron: jurov> i wonder what alf will do << lemme try and fill in while he's away : mega-snore! ubuntu, the winbl0wz of linux, thought it could make a smart-f0ne when obviously the mobile world is for usg-blessed corps
15:52 jurov but i did not ask about ubuntu. i asked about m$ suing you about infringing their patents
15:52 jurov while you dream about sophisticated torture devices
15:53 ascii_field nothing to stop them from doing it right now.
15:54 ascii_field i have nothing with which to defend.
15:54 ascii_field the only reason it has not happened is that i'm ineffective and uninteresting to anyone...
15:56 jurov O.o
15:56 ascii_field well think.
15:57 ascii_field jurov: in usaschwitz, it is enough to be sued, to be driven into penury immediately, you don't even need to lose.
15:57 ben_vulpes ascii_field: your verditc is 'hrown matches'?
15:57 ascii_field ben_vulpes: see logz from earlier today.
15:58 ascii_field ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431479
15:58 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 14:32:19; ascii_field: my hypothesis is that he was not paid to lose, as such, but to keep a particular style of play, and he believed that he could win regardless.
16:00 ascii_field jurov: since you mentioned it, i will explain that i can be taken off the gameboard in any of 1,001 different simple ways, by the lizards, and i have no defense, and that you and the rest should expect this to happen sooner or later and study accordingly
16:02 ascii_field i already stand on th board with only one foot, in having lately to spend virtually all of my time working on idiotic rubbish so as to pay the rent.
16:03 ascii_field eventually either the lizards will move, or mircea_popescu will grow tired of me, or my health simply gives out, and mircea_popescu will have to learn ada and relearn numbertheory himself...
16:04 mircea_popescu in other news, bitbet headed into receivership : http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/#comment-116766
16:04 assbot The greatly anticipated BitBet (S.BBET) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1phuhuR )
16:05 mircea_popescu i must say the experience has been rather sobering as to all sorts of naive assumptions as to value, wealth and economics in the bitcoin world.
16:05 ascii_field woah
16:05 mircea_popescu ascii_field let me disabuse you of that notion right now.
16:05 * ascii_field takes off hat
16:06 ascii_field mircea_popescu: which
16:07 mircea_popescu that i'm perpetually going to pick up the pieces. i'm not.
16:07 ascii_field i didn't think so.
16:08 mircea_popescu so then no, mp isn't learning any ada. if mp wanted to learn ada, he would have.
16:08 ascii_field i can more easily see mircea_popescu raising a guerilla army in nepal or the like.
16:08 ascii_field different angle on it all.
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17107 @ 0.00052067 = 8.9071 BTC [-] {2}
16:09 ascii_field i dun think i ever actually saw mircea_popescu pick up pieces.
16:09 mircea_popescu course not, cuz if you're going to you're best not be seen.
16:10 ascii_field anyway while i expect to eventually be smashed into pieces, i do not expect anyone to actually pick any of them up. nor do i really give a damn.
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 52962 @ 0.00005 = 2.6481 BTC [-]
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16143 @ 0.00052006 = 8.3953 BTC [-]
16:11 ascii_field !s from:asciilifeform archaeologists
16:11 assbot 27 results for 'from:asciilifeform archaeologists' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+archaeologists
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16:35 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
16:37 ascii_field 'This line of credit carries seniority above that of shareholders and below that of bettors.' was mircea_popescu's earlier verdict, but now 'Bitbet's liabilities are currently comprised of various bills (such as the 17.94766149 BTC it owes as per this report, such as whatever fee it may owe the receiver for his trouble, and others as may arise), which are the most senior ; with the remainder to go to payouts to th
16:37 ascii_field the least senior.' <<< interesting
16:38 ascii_field is this traditional? (i am not connected with any of this, merely curious how it worx)
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16:38 ascii_field also i realized that i never learned what was the logic for 0asset operations ?
16:41 ascii_field bbet long pre-dates my study of mircea_popescutronics, and i have nfi, was the plan that it could never incur unexpected expense ?
16:43 ascii_field (what if someone had stolen the server, like trilema was once stolen? or the like)
16:44 ben_vulpes the problem appears to not be "unexpected expense" but a disagreement between the founders as to the legitimacy of the expense.
16:44 jurov unexpected expenses are different thing than irreconcilable difference between partners
16:44 deedbot- [Qntra] Miner Problem Pushes BitBet Into Recievership - http://qntra.net/2016/03/miner-problem-pushes-bitbet-into-recievership/
16:45 ben_vulpes oh ffs BingoBoingo with the mythical miner cartel
16:47 mircea_popescu ascii_field it's how it's normally done, yes.
16:47 deedbot- [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Racial (in)equality and you, or why China’s your daddy. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/13/racial-inequality-and-you-or-why-chinas-your-daddy/
16:47 ascii_field ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-03-2016#1425896
16:47 assbot Logged on 07-03-2016 23:23:49; asciilifeform: some bastard is running 3000+ sybils. what's unstable here.
16:48 ascii_field mircea_popescu: creditors first, aha, after i asked, i remembered this
16:48 mircea_popescu ascii_field> bbet long pre-dates my study of mircea_popescutronics, and i have nfi <<< it's not terribly clear to me either, after all these years.
16:48 ascii_field wtf mircea_popescu invented it!111
16:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 110000 @ 0.00005 = 5.5 BTC [-]
16:48 ascii_field if not him then who.
16:49 mircea_popescu i invent things by degrees and i can't always and on the button answer as to the logic of things. they go in a context. i know for a fact the arrangement make sense in 2012, but entirely hazy as to the reasoning.
16:50 ascii_field i suppose it is true that inventor never has half a clue re the long term.
16:50 mircea_popescu and in spite of being uncharacteristically verbose for a human being... apparently i don't write everything either.
16:51 mircea_popescu anyway, to be perfectly clear, i don't think kakobrekla did anything wrong at any juncture, nor am i privately holding anything against the man. while the outcome is miserable, i dun think there's necessarily much that could have been done to prevent it.
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16:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 40000 @ 0.00005 = 2 BTC [-]
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 162122 @ 0.00005 = 8.1061 BTC [-] {2}
16:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i'm sorry, what ?
16:53 pete_dushenski my two cents on 0assets was always that it was a nod towards mpex bitcoin businesses having no bounded geographic constraints. '0asset' always meant '0meatspaceasset' in my head.
16:54 pete_dushenski this obviously couldn't strictly be true, but was a more of philosophical consideration to my mind
16:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15987 @ 0.00052111 = 8.331 BTC [-]
16:54 mircea_popescu there was certainly a tinge of that.
16:55 pete_dushenski for as long as server A in location A' could work just as well as server B in location B', it would hold
16:55 ascii_field yeah but 1 server nuked and you're broke?!
16:56 ascii_field ( for example )
16:56 pete_dushenski then too broke for mpex
16:56 ascii_field this is a tank with no armour
16:57 pete_dushenski then don't get hit !
16:57 mircea_popescu hence my comment about fragility. there are two main threads here that would-be bitcoin entrepreneurs must heed quite closely. one is that - your expense structure is not either a) in your own control or b) specificable. for as long as your business model involves bitcoin as it currently exists, you're doing the economic equivalent of linking remote dlls.
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16:58 ascii_field even if bitcoin were bulletproof
16:58 mircea_popescu but it is not.
16:58 ascii_field any operation can take damage and run a loss
16:58 mircea_popescu and all sorts of costs that the fiat system eats, are not here eaten by anything.
16:58 ascii_field if 10,001 orcs show up at the gates
16:58 pete_dushenski this at least saves writing out a business plan :)
16:59 mircea_popescu and the other is that very little actual value exists in serving this market.
16:59 ascii_field aha this is sorta like a superconductor, a very small pocket of not-superconducting-no-moar leads to thermal runaway and quench and boom.
16:59 mircea_popescu something like that i guess.
17:00 pete_dushenski i always found it incredible how prominent and successful bbet was, and how little profit it generated from its nearly monopolistic position
17:00 ascii_field and actually yeah, if bbet were yielding 100btc/day or whatever, it could eat the bird in the engine and keep flying
17:01 ascii_field mircea_popescu has grim but 100% accurat point, as often
17:01 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the way start-ups usually work is that they look good, but if forcibly deflated midstride it's tears all around.
17:01 ascii_field in his venetian beak plague mask.
17:02 ben_vulpes "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?
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17:02 pete_dushenski http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8oz6nG7x1ra4kiro1_500.jpg << mask
17:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkVJlK )
17:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes eventually.
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17:04 pete_dushenski muh coinz !!1
17:04 mircea_popescu well what the fuck, i'm not leaving this in my will fee tail.
17:05 ben_vulpes !up ascii_field
17:05 ben_vulpes no ofc not
17:05 ascii_field thing has almost greek tragedic flavour to it.
17:06 ben_vulpes nor can you pay bettors out after yourself in the process of dissolution.
17:06 * pete_dushenski actually currently has as little ballskin in bbet's maws as he has had in 2 years. blessedly!
17:06 ben_vulpes what fucking tragedy.
17:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5507 @ 0.00052111 = 2.8698 BTC [-]
17:07 ascii_field ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431616
17:07 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 20:51:27; mircea_popescu: anyway, to be perfectly clear, i don't think kakobrekla did anything wrong at any juncture, nor am i privately holding anything against the man. while the outcome is miserable, i dun think there's necessarily much that could have been done to prevent it.
17:07 pete_dushenski thank goodness i've been wearing my plague mask in the bedroom of late. it brought me luck!
17:08 ascii_field or ben_vulpes disagrees ?
17:08 ascii_field how would ben_vulpes have played it differently ?
17:08 ben_vulpes i've been told that i have no business saying anything about bitbet's business, ascii_field.
17:09 ascii_field i have equally little business telling lee sedol how to play
17:09 ascii_field but there i go.
17:09 pete_dushenski 'teaching birds how to fly' (tm)
17:10 pete_dushenski no wait, it was 'lecturing'
17:10 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: into completely opaque steel walls no less.
17:10 ascii_field bird that ends up in engine could have learned something prior ?
17:11 ben_vulpes no fucking engine. brick wall a mile high.
17:11 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: heh
17:11 pete_dushenski in other china news, http://www.ejinsight.com/20160312-how-china-sees-trump-and-what-is-missed/
17:11 assbot How China Sees Trump, and what is missed ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgBAJT )
17:11 ben_vulpes elementary questions like "wtf -- paid twice?!" are dismissed with "you just don't understand how bitcoin works".
17:12 ben_vulpes who is going to even contemplate stepping into receiver's role in this context?!
17:12 ben_vulpes jurov?
17:12 ben_vulpes probably /also/ already disqualified for stating his opinions on the matter.
17:12 pete_dushenski "Moneyed folk in Hong Kong know of his phoniness, mainly because of something that happened in the early 1990s. Trump bungled a real estate deal in New York City, one that would have truly established him as a titan of America, and he needed cash fast. He came to Hong Kong looking for investors, and met them for a game of golf. They wanted to play for US$1 million a hole. Trump knew he was out of his league and
17:12 pete_dushenski declined, though he did manage to leave with US$82 million … in exchange for a US$300 million mortgage. When Trump’s investors from Hong Kong cashed out more than a decade later, US$1.8 billion in profits awaited them. Thin-skinned as ever, Trump sued them."
17:13 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i'd open a perimutuel bet that nassim who play receiver, but i don't trust betmoooose
17:13 ascii_field ben_vulpes: folks have destroyed far more precious machines than bbet by elbowing 'wrong button'
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17:13 jurov ben_vulpes: and i also have some 0.8btc skin in it
17:13 pete_dushenski s/who/would
17:13 mircea_popescu but let's not talk of things being moot and sad stuff like that. instead : bitbet isn't actually missing any bettor funds, the whole receiver thing could be done in a week.
17:14 mircea_popescu i'd really ask folk in b-a with busienss experience to seriously consider doing this. a clean close-down of a bitcoin venture would be truly an absolute first.
17:14 mircea_popescu like pete_dushenski, you busy ?
17:14 ascii_field mircea_popescu: unless i misread, there is no way it can fully pay out bettors
17:14 ben_vulpes ascii_field: for that to happen, the receiver'd have to invalidate mircea_popescu's charge.
17:14 ascii_field it has to pay back the 17 first, no?
17:14 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so ?
17:15 ascii_field invalidate?
17:15 mircea_popescu ascii_field well no, you know how this sort of thing works ?
17:15 ascii_field how does that work?
17:15 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i could probably be walked through it
17:15 mircea_popescu when a venture goes into receivership a person is named (usually by the courts) to receive all the assets, and register all the claims against it. then decide which claims are valiud, and how much they're getting.
17:16 ben_vulpes ascii_field: see 4.
17:17 ascii_field so if receiver decides that all bets pay properly and mircea_popescu gets a 17 btc haircut, mircea_popescu will live with this?
17:17 mircea_popescu well who asks me anything ? i won't like it, but...
17:18 mircea_popescu his job to make this sorta calls.
17:18 ascii_field so it is to be auctioned...
17:18 ascii_field today?
17:18 mircea_popescu uh wtf do you mean today lol.
17:19 ascii_field nfi, and i have no legit reason to care.
17:19 ben_vulpes also auction not the best model, lowest bidding receiver is not a particularly good idea.
17:19 mircea_popescu even if somehow all the ducks got lined up, it needs some publicity.
17:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i was thinking, interviews. think senate hearings for appointees.
17:20 mircea_popescu course this'd be a senate of two people, but anyway.
17:20 ben_vulpes ultimately though it'd just be you and kako hearing.
17:21 ben_vulpes this is going to be hung, as the receiver will have to answer as to the disposition of your charge, and either way one of the founders is going to refuse an unfriendly nominee.
17:21 mircea_popescu well yeah, if either vetoes very little can be done.
17:21 ben_vulpes nice little construction.
17:21 ascii_field doesn't this permawedge?
17:21 mircea_popescu i don't specifically care. as long as the person seems competent... hey.
17:22 ben_vulpes ascii_field: game theoretically permawedges obviously.
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17:22 ben_vulpes perhaps mircea_popescu plays a different game here though.
17:23 ascii_field and as i understand, receiver needs the technical ability to unravel kakobrekla's code
17:23 ben_vulpes and the db.
17:23 ascii_field (because he cannot, no matter what, outsource he task)
17:23 ben_vulpes and be in the wot.
17:23 * BingoBoingo suspects a very mike_c sort of flavor on this job
17:23 ascii_field ;;seen mike_c
17:23 gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
17:23 mircea_popescu maybe dooglus is interested
17:24 * ascii_field bbl
17:24 mircea_popescu iirc he did one of the very few clean closedowns in the space
17:24 pete_dushenski ^true
17:29 pete_dushenski ;;later tell mats feel like running another audit on bbet's reserve capital ?
17:29 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:30 pete_dushenski last one was nigh on two years ago now : http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/07/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/
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17:30 mircea_popescu mats also works, yeah.
17:32 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: bbet contract 3.1d refers to 3.1b, correct?
17:34 mircea_popescu hm ?
17:35 ben_vulpes "aforementioned signed document" refers to "special spreadsheet"?
17:36 mircea_popescu seems to talk of a.
17:39 ben_vulpes mk. then the contractual obligation bitbet is failing to uphold leading to its delisting would be kakobrekla's declining to convey his acceptance of the statement, without which shareholders cannot be paid out?
17:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00052446 = 12.6919 BTC [+] {3}
17:40 mircea_popescu well, it gotta produce monthly statements. currently we can't do that. mpex wasn't historically very strict with this, but it certainly won't last forever.
17:40 mircea_popescu there's been if memory serves exactly one case of delisted company on these grounds, bvps.
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17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32185 @ 0.00052111 = 16.7719 BTC [-] {2}
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00052111 = 1.7457 BTC [-]
17:45 pete_dushenski bbiab
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0005247 = 8.6313 BTC [+]
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18:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26817 @ 0.00052111 = 13.9746 BTC [-] {2}
18:24 BingoBoingo !t m s.bbet
18:24 assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00005 / 0.00005001 / 0.000051 (487224 shares, 24.37 BTC), 7D: 0.00005 / 0.00005068 / 0.00008301 (497396 shares, 25.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00005 / 0.00005106 / 0.000105 (502896 shares, 25.68 BTC)
18:27 BingoBoingo Other lulz https://archive.is/BjSxF
18:27 assbot BayAreaCoins , Steven Steiner is showing all the marks of a SCAMMER! ... ( http://bit.ly/1RfJpFS )
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18:45 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
18:46 pete_dushenski if anyone is having trouble accessing contravex, lemme know. just finished blocking a bunch of ip addresses.
18:46 ascii_field anyone else here read the lee sedol games?
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18:46 ascii_field ( or even care ? )
18:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19425 @ 0.00052281 = 10.1556 BTC [+] {2}
18:51 pete_dushenski https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2021568/GRPublishedJELFinal.pdf << "Why Oragnizations Fail : Models and Cases"
18:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YOIrjA )
18:52 pete_dushenski "Incentive problems arise due to the presence of asymmetric information or imperfect commitment, which lead agents to act according to their own biases or preferences rather than in the interest of the organization" << timely
19:00 pete_dushenski https://www.math.upenn.edu/~wilf/website/PSUTalk.pdf << on the subject of algebra ii as it relates to social sciences
19:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YOJOPd )
19:00 pete_dushenski "Can there be “research in mathematical education”?"
19:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 42313 @ 0.00005 = 2.1157 BTC [-]
19:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00052025 = 41.8801 BTC [-] {5}
19:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6025 @ 0.00052096 = 3.1388 BTC [+]
19:24 TomServo !up mpSCAM
19:25 pete_dushenski https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/1900_killing_of_foreigners.jpg/350px-1900_killing_of_foreigners.jpg << for alf
19:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1V4TEN2 )
19:25 mpSCAM popescu finally outed as a scammer?
19:25 mpSCAM with bitbet exit scam?
19:29 danielpbarron mpSCAM, who are you?
19:33 mpSCAM daniel did you get owned?
19:33 danielpbarron nope i'm up despite taking a pretty substantial loss on bitbet
19:33 mpSCAM thats what happens when you invest into vice
19:33 mpSCAM with a pornographer like popescu
19:33 danielpbarron so i get profit is what you're saying?
19:33 mpSCAM you got owned popescu games the exchange
19:34 mpSCAM him and jurov
19:34 danielpbarron do you think i'm lying?
19:34 mpSCAM idiot went and sent funds from his personal btc wallet made a mistake
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19:34 mpSCAM and tried to blame the miner collusion LOL
19:34 danielpbarron loooky here, either converse with me or i silence you
19:34 mpSCAM whats there to converse
19:35 mpSCAM popescu is a scammer he always was just hid it clever
19:35 danielpbarron !down mpSCAM
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15908 @ 0.00051897 = 8.2558 BTC [-]
19:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00051897 = 7.7846 BTC [-]
19:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27699 @ 0.00051867 = 14.3666 BTC [-] {3}
19:59 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
20:00 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431776 << there will be maxint of these now won't there.
20:00 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 23:34:21; mpSCAM: idiot went and sent funds from his personal btc wallet made a mistake
20:00 ascii_field from under every rock.
20:02 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431738 << was that the one where operator turned out to be a junkie?
20:02 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 21:40:59; mircea_popescu: there's been if memory serves exactly one case of delisted company on these grounds, bvps.
20:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00051898 = 8.3556 BTC [+]
20:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00051995 = 5.9274 BTC [+]
20:17 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 gentoo trb v99995 was a success
20:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00051993 = 19.4454 BTC [-]
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20:41 mod6 shinohai: good to hear.
20:41 mod6 thanks for testing that out
20:41 mod6 <+ascii_field> from under every rock. << yes, im sure.
20:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87000 @ 0.00051904 = 45.1565 BTC [-] {4}
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00051847 = 3.3182 BTC [-]
20:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9926 @ 0.00051847 = 5.1463 BTC [-]
21:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20428 @ 0.00051845 = 10.5909 BTC [-] {2}
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21:21 adlai asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431750 << yes, although i have even less business telling him how to play than you do
21:21 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 22:46:10; ascii_field: anyone else here read the lee sedol games?
21:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00051835 = 36.44 BTC [-] {2}
21:31 thestringpuller asciilifeform: why do you hate neural nets? what did they ever do to you?
21:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108000 @ 0.00052182 = 56.3566 BTC [+] {4}
21:43 adlai thestringpuller: i was gonna link you to `!s from:ascii ersatz` but you're right there
21:45 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: does the bbet receiver have the authority to determine the cut-off date for acceptable wager resolutions and to refund any bets submitted but deemed "too far away" for the receiver to reasonably hold the funds in escrow ? or is this line in the sand to be drawn by you and kakobrekla ?
21:46 danielpbarron oo maybe i get my trump coin back! :/
21:46 thestringpuller danielpbarron: you familiar with the Windsor area in CT?
21:46 danielpbarron the name sounds familiar, but no
21:47 thestringpuller ah. different part of CT you are from.
21:47 * thestringpuller was born in hartford.
21:47 thestringpuller New England has the best pizza ever.
21:47 danielpbarron i mostly know middlesex and fairfield counties
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00051818 = 36.2208 BTC [-] {8}
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 369170 @ 0.00051708 = 190.8904 BTC [-] {13}
21:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130830 @ 0.00051563 = 67.4599 BTC [-] {6}
22:11 danielpbarron !up xm2hi
22:12 xm2hi thank you!
22:12 nubbins` well then!
22:12 danielpbarron sure, what's up?
22:14 xm2hi getting to know the you guys.
22:14 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431596 << i can't imagine any good-faith receiver honouring these terms, no.
22:14 assbot Logged on 13-03-2016 20:38:09; ascii_field: is this traditional? (i am not connected with any of this, merely curious how it worx)
22:15 danielpbarron xm2hi, well who are you?
22:15 xm2hi based in malaysia
22:16 nubbins` welcome xm2hi
22:16 danielpbarron that would be where are you
22:16 xm2hi spent the whole weekend reading MPEX
22:16 danielpbarron you mean reading the listing agreements?
22:17 nubbins` i'd say many people are reading the listing agreements
22:17 xm2hi yeah, and about the ecosystem that Mircea has created. impressive records.
22:18 xm2hi and learning about the risk management.
22:19 danielpbarron i was gonna say, it took you all weekend to read them? but that last bit is probably more than a weekend long read
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00052124 = 32.0302 BTC [+] {2}
22:23 xm2hi yeah....LOL eyes are a bit blur now.
22:24 xm2hi shall get into WOT soon
22:25 xm2hi bye for now @danielpbarron
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76407 @ 0.00052096 = 39.805 BTC [-]
22:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88800 @ 0.00051625 = 45.843 BTC [-] {2}
22:45 * adlai wonders who's bot(s) is/are still buying all this S.BBET (at bargain prices!)
22:53 adlai or rather, the better question for discussion - why would anybody want to own shares now?
22:54 danielpbarron >> (a)The representatives of BitBet have elected to divide BitBet into 10`000`000 (ten million) equal non-voting shares with a total equity value of 100 BTC (0.00001 BTC each). In the event of liquidation or breach of this Agreement they solemnly promise and warrant to repay all investors holding shares at this minimum value.
22:55 danielpbarron >> (j) In the event of the sale of BitBet or voluntary liquidation thereof, all proceeds will be distributed fairly to all shareholders by proportion to the shares they hold.
22:59 danielpbarron !up punkman
23:00 punkman would that 100btc have to come out of bet money?
23:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76950 @ 0.00051483 = 39.6162 BTC [-] {3}
23:04 punkman seems like S.MPOE holders didn't like the bbet announcement
23:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19639 @ 0.00051625 = 10.1386 BTC [+]
23:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00051625 = 26.1997 BTC [+]
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23:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00051625 = 21.2695 BTC [+]
23:43 nubbins` danielpbarron does that say that mp and kakobrekla are on the hook for the 0.00001 BTC per share? it says "the representatives", "they solemnly promise and warrant"
23:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00051625 = 35.7245 BTC [+]
23:52 nubbins` ah appears so, altho it is only ~30 btc
23:55 nubbins` about 750 btc in outstanding bets
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