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00:11 BingoBoingo that's a change
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153300 @ 0.00049958 = 76.5856 BTC [+] {6}
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00:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94950 @ 0.00049569 = 47.0658 BTC [-] {5}
00:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00050754 = 13.8305 BTC [+] {2}
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01:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81322 @ 0.00049502 = 40.256 BTC [-] {5}
01:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18628 @ 0.00049469 = 9.2151 BTC [-]
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01:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24722 @ 0.00049468 = 12.2295 BTC [-] {3}
01:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62828 @ 0.00049441 = 31.0628 BTC [-]
01:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00049947 = 12.1621 BTC [+]
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02:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00049441 = 2.917 BTC [-]
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02:29 BingoBoingo !up STRML
02:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93750 @ 0.00049421 = 46.3322 BTC [-] {4}
02:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66089 @ 0.00049413 = 32.6566 BTC [-]
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02:50 BingoBoingo !up copypaste
02:56 copypaste http://qntra.net/2015/12/paxful-gets-desperate/ lulz
02:56 assbot Paxful Gets Desperate, Priced Out Of Bitcoin | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtRn6I )
02:57 copypaste I never quite understood the purpose of this "company"; founded in USA yet ignoring USG rules to transfer quantities of $1 using Bitcoin
02:57 copypaste I thought for sure this "company" was only founded to capitalize off some Backpage headlines
02:57 copypaste I didn't think its relevance would continue until now
02:58 BingoBoingo It's only relevant now because its flavor of stupid got loud.
02:59 BingoBoingo But yeah. It likely can't live in its niche at any price.
03:00 copypaste Indeed; it reminds me of BitInstant, and we all knew how that went
03:00 copypaste It's incredible how foolish these people are, unable to learn from history, and founding their Bitcoin "businesses" in USG territory
03:00 BingoBoingo Right. Charlie really hung on his bong for that one.
03:01 BingoBoingo The serious problem is their insistence on touching USG money
03:02 copypaste Indeed, and incorporating in the US, and further making it everyone else's problem that they exist in such poverty that the ability to transfer funds one satoshi at a time is a make-or-break for the business
03:03 BingoBoingo Incorporation seems to be the big dose of poison there.
03:03 copypaste At least Charlie laundered millions of dollars, they'll be going to jail over 50 cups of coffee and some $1 prostitution ads
03:04 BingoBoingo To be fair charlie also single dollars at a time too. He even for a while did the fucking SMS deal that bills a phone company.
03:05 BingoBoingo Blockchain.info integrated that one from bitinstant at one point
03:05 copypaste lol
03:05 BingoBoingo How the fuck do you not attract all of the attention doing that.
03:06 copypaste You have to be a complete fool to think that the regime with the most strict "money laundering" laws would allow that to continue for any amount of time
03:06 copypaste I had no idea they were using that SNS system
03:06 BingoBoingo At the point you partner up to an SMS payment network you're asking for the telecom regulators to plumb your butt on top of everyone else
03:06 copypaste Indeed, and most definitely they fradualently applied for the SMS payment network
03:07 copypaste Those things are usually constrained to ring tones and so on
03:07 BingoBoingo Well, these are the things you learn having visited the bitinstant website in August 2012
03:07 BingoBoingo yeah
03:08 BingoBoingo brb
03:09 copypaste "a. Important: Do not mention bitcoin to the teller as banks are reluctant to work with bitcoin and may deny the deposit with no reason why.
03:09 copypaste Surely, this will go well for everyone involved.
03:13 BingoBoingo That actually used to be SOP among -otc traders
03:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30020 @ 0.00049406 = 14.8317 BTC [-] {2}
03:22 copypaste BingoBoingo: yes, because -otc has a WoT. Paxful has empty promises and a GUI.
03:23 BingoBoingo Well, apparently didn't always work out for everybody
03:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124500 @ 0.00049687 = 61.8603 BTC [+] {3}
03:24 copypaste I'm sure Bitcoin-averse bank branches will soon catch on to the computer nerds walking in and all depositing cash to the same account, no?
03:25 copypaste And if one lets it slip what of the others ?
03:25 copypaste A business based on lying to your partners is sure to fail; just a WoT suspends the failure by not letting any moron join in on the fun of transacting
03:27 BingoBoingo pretty muh
03:30 * BingoBoingo still astounded that after playing music on computers for 11 years he still only managed to find cmus in 2015
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03:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65750 @ 0.00049385 = 32.4706 BTC [-] {3}
03:46 BingoBoingo ;;later tell mod6 So far President Hussein Bahamas claims to not have plans to bomb Missouri levees to save Cairo crack houses, though he "might have to" https://archive.is/o0wyJ
03:46 assbot Corps of Engineers not planning on opening Missouri floodway : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTGFcp )
03:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
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04:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00049464 = 14.9381 BTC [+]
04:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7764 @ 0.00049377 = 3.8336 BTC [-]
04:21 BingoBoingo !up Quent
04:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145300 @ 0.00049363 = 71.7244 BTC [-] {3}
04:26 Quent thanks
04:26 Quent you guys in favour of blocksize increase now in the Bitcoin Unlimited style?
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00049358 = 35.3897 BTC [-]
04:28 Quent hmm, guess america is asleep huh so should prob come back in the evening
04:29 BingoBoingo Still in favor of no hard forks ever
04:29 BingoBoingo !up ith
04:30 ith So guys. I know you've been playing tricks on me. Care to tell me why all the receipts I get are saying 2015, and my computer clock says 2015, when it's actually 2017????!!!
04:30 ith Thank you.
04:30 punkman it's actualy 1832
04:31 BingoBoingo Sorry, you have a >2LSD error code ith
04:31 ith No, it is not. Please tell me the truth
04:31 Quent BingoBoingo, aren't softforks hardforks?
04:31 ith You know that I am not lying
04:31 BingoBoingo Quent: Not at all
04:31 ith It IS 2017. Please explain what you are doing to me
04:31 Quent as in, any change by a softfork effectively hardforks older clients
04:32 BingoBoingo Quent: They really don't. The test is whether or not node sealed in concrete without admin port needs chiseled out or not
04:32 Quent for example, BingoBoingo, you can softfork bip101 or whatever bip... you can soft fork anything really
04:32 BingoBoingo You really can't soft fork BIP 101
04:32 Quent and that's according to gmaxwell...
04:32 BingoBoingo Block gets rejected
04:32 ith GIVE ME AN ANSWER
04:32 ith It is important!
04:32 Quent I quote gmaxwell "anything can be implemented by a softfork"
04:33 Quent you just make it super complex to jump through a lot of hoops...
04:33 ith And you gave me the same >2LSD code answer last year. Please explain yourself
04:33 Quent but, conceptually as well, if an older node considers the new rules to be just noise the older node is effectively forked off...
04:33 punkman ith, you are on a time soft-fork, you need to find way back to 1832
04:33 BingoBoingo Quent: Oh no. The new stuff is the noise
04:34 ith And I'm sure you will give the same answer again /next/ year about >2LSD
04:34 ith punkman: you aren't making any sense
04:34 Quent yes, but the network is accepting the new stuff, therefore the network has forked you off
04:34 Quent softforking seems to me to simply be a deceptive way for miners to rule and the network have no say...
04:34 ith "time soft-fork, 1832"
04:35 BingoBoingo But because the "network" accepts new stuff doesn't mean I have to
04:35 Quent like with SW, you can not upgrade all you want, but if everyone else does, and especially if the miners do, then you are forked off if not upgraded
04:35 ith Where is the Japanese guy?
04:35 BingoBoingo Quent: Nah, the special segwit transactions are noise until proven otherwise
04:36 Quent BingoBoingo, yes, but it is just you who is not accepting it and that makes no difference whatever to yourself or the network
04:36 ith mircea_popescu: why don't you help me out with this
04:37 BingoBoingo !down Quent
04:37 BingoBoingo !down ith
04:39 punkman ith, there are many forks, some people are at year 1437, you claim to be in 2017, but I'm telling ya 1832 is where it's at
04:41 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
04:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.28, vol: 6532.86020264 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 422.245, vol: 7059.99027 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 421.08, vol: 23373.03992812 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.09 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.25098, vol: 43890.20740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 419.36001, vol: 71.99322948 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 432.669599989, vol: 33.15629168 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
04:44 BingoBoingo ;;more
04:44 gribble 423.54280074
04:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00049358 = 20.5329 BTC [-]
05:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00049358 = 18.4352 BTC [-]
05:02 BingoBoingo !up ith
05:03 BingoBoingo ith: Current interest rate is 33.8% monthly
05:03 ith When did it get raised up from 0.25%? (whatever bond interest rate that is, which was previously 0%)
05:04 ith And isn't the 0.25% yearly? What happened to get it switched to monthly?
05:04 ith My news is two years out of date :\
05:05 ith or delayed two years, rather
05:05 BingoBoingo rectal squeeze
05:05 ith What's going on with the economy in the US? and who is the current US president?
05:06 BingoBoingo no to both
05:06 ith So you're not going to fill me in
05:06 ith You're just going to keep me locked up, here?
05:07 BingoBoingo There's no economy or president
05:07 ith I see. Totally chaos down there? Civil war? Anarachy?
05:07 ith Total*
05:08 ith Anarchy* lol
05:08 BingoBoingo yes
05:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99200 @ 0.00049464 = 49.0683 BTC [+]
05:08 ith How did that start?
05:08 BingoBoingo unknown
05:09 ith Well if there's no president, how are things working in the United States? What's life like for a person down there?
05:09 ith No president, no economy. That can't be a good time
05:10 BingoBoingo they aren't, not too bad actually
05:10 ith Hmm
05:10 ith How did the president go down, or fail to get elected / come into office?
05:11 BingoBoingo brb, gotta chase a womp out of the garden
05:11 ith lol
05:12 ith But what happened to get rid of the president, though? And which president was -- what -- booted out?
05:12 ith or impeached?
05:16 ith Trump seemed to be a half decent contender. Did he actually get elected?
05:20 ith People are screwing with me from down stairs right now -- you know that right? -- when you just decided to run off out to the garden...
05:21 ith Strange people. Bad people.
05:21 ith Evil people.
05:24 ith When do I get put back on the /live/ internet, and not this two year out of date thing?
05:25 punkman do you know thenewdeal fellow?
05:26 ith I don't know. What's his real name? I don't think I've chatted with him on IRC
05:27 ith Perhaps you'd care to answer some of the questions above that I put to BingoBoingo?
05:28 ith It would be appreciated, if you're willing
05:28 punkman we don't have Trump in 1832, sorry
05:28 ith I see
05:30 ith BingoBoingo: ping
05:32 BingoBoingo Womp's not gone yet, just stopped back inside to get an axe
05:33 punkman what's a womp
05:33 BingoBoingo !up punkman You know the minivan sized furballs that are a pestillence on the North America continent during our as opposed to ith's current epoch
05:34 BingoBoingo !up ith
05:34 ith Buffalo?
05:34 BingoBoingo sharpe teeth
05:34 BingoBoingo *sharper
05:34 ith Elk?
05:34 ith Bears?
05:35 BingoBoingo More legs
05:35 BingoBoingo brb, gotta take this womp out while I still have a back door
05:35 ith Okay
05:37 ith I'm going to have to disappear in about 30 minutes. Any answers to the above questions would be appreciated when you're back
05:39 punkman !up NewLiberty
05:40 BingoBoingo ;;later tell ith You'll find out once these things reach your time.
05:40 gribble The operation succeeded.
05:40 ith What the heck does that mean?
05:41 ith I can't stay stuck two years in the past
05:42 punkman you can buy cheaper bitcoins two years ago
05:42 BingoBoingo 7 legs, lots of teeth, but very slow. Well the seventh isn't technically a leg...
05:43 punkman furry proboscis?
05:43 ith That's true, and I thought of that... however the problem is that to get me those coins, they would have to compromise the wallet I'd use to receive them, and my computer would stay compromised
05:44 ith I don't know of any animals that have six legs
05:44 BingoBoingo punkman: other end of the torso
05:44 ith Someone let me out of this prison you put me in
05:45 ith And please answer the above questions
05:45 ith :|
05:45 BingoBoingo punkman: And not a tail either, other side of the perineum
05:48 ith How did the US come to not have a president?
05:50 BingoBoingo long story involving monsanto, obesity, biodiesel, and cuckolding
05:51 ith I downloaded a porn video from a site specializing in making people cuckold a week or so ago. I need more information please. It would have to have been serious. How did the president leave office?
05:51 punkman you should write that BB
05:52 ith Who controls the military now?
05:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49643 @ 0.00049493 = 24.5698 BTC [+] {2}
05:52 BingoBoingo Military? more like drug gangs
05:52 ith What about Texas? What's going on with them? They were opposing the New World Order
05:53 BingoBoingo flooded
05:53 ith By what?
05:53 BingoBoingo you don't want to know
05:54 BingoBoingo You can't handle this time
05:54 ith What happened to InfoWars?
05:54 BingoBoingo happened to what?
05:55 ith Hmm.
05:55 ith I don't have much time, and I might not get the chance to speak again. Why don't you give me some information that I can use while I'm here? I could be cut off tomorrow
05:55 ith or dead
05:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00049358 = 15.1282 BTC [-] {2}
05:56 punkman why would anyone kill you ith?
05:56 ith Was Trump elected? Did he take office. If he did, how and why did he leave office?
05:56 ith punkman: Bad people surround me.
05:57 ith They don't like me, I'm afraid. I'm too good
05:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00049717 = 3.3808 BTC [+]
05:57 ith And too intelligent. And too unwilling to go along with their plans (for the New World Order, and the like)
05:58 BingoBoingo ith: You should be safe for some time if you avoid plus sized models and ginko tree pollen
05:58 ith How do I know where I might come into contact with ginko tree pollen?
05:58 punkman ith, should send your bitcoin to BB for safekeeping
05:59 BingoBoingo generally near ginko trees is where you'd encounter it
05:59 ith I have about $40 worth of bitcoin, given it's current price on my two years out of date internet
05:59 ith I don't think we have any of those around here, thankfully
05:59 punkman !up adlai
06:00 ith I could buy a bit more, but that's risky. I might be throwing my money away
06:01 ith They might kill me if you don't give me more information
06:01 ith I don't want to die
06:01 ith Why won't you help me :(
06:01 punkman download a copy of the logs, lots of info there
06:02 ith The copy I'll get will be from 2015, and this is 2017 so I wouldn't learn anything I don't already know
06:02 BingoBoingo duck fat is a going to be a safe investment, it can repel pat
06:02 ith Everything except this chat is from two years ago
06:03 ith you could email me a copy of the logs if you wanted to
06:03 punkman I don't have anything past 2015 either
06:03 ith Damnit
06:04 ith BingoBoingo: what about you. You seem to have newer information
06:04 ith Please.
06:04 BingoBoingo You don't want to know. Don't think and just start making Opium latex condoms
06:08 BingoBoingo ith: Stop PM'ing me. Fine what happens is you die in a shitstorm. Literally. You were on the toilet at 0 flush.
06:08 BingoBoingo !up ith
06:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47457 @ 0.00049717 = 23.5942 BTC [+]
06:08 ith I don't want to die in a shit storm, though. How can I avoid that?
06:08 BingoBoingo Poop outside.
06:09 ith Sigh. Would you kindly email me those logs? I can't get them myself
06:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00049947 = 4.2954 BTC [+]
06:09 ith And I apparently don't have friends, and my movements are tracked 24 / 7 so I can't access an uncompromised computer to get on the current internet
06:10 ith I'm stuck here :|
06:10 BingoBoingo I can't because we stopped calling them logs after 0 flush out of respect.
06:10 ith What is "0 flush"?
06:10 ith I need those logs.
06:11 ith And I've got about 4 minutes left :P
06:11 BingoBoingo ith: You remember http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357128
06:11 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 10:50:44; BingoBoingo: long story involving monsanto, obesity, biodiesel, and cuckolding
06:11 BingoBoingo It happens in the pipes
06:12 ith What are you referring to? _what_ happens in the pipes?
06:12 BingoBoingo 0 flush
06:12 ith And what is that?
06:12 ith 0 day?
06:12 ith holocaust?
06:12 BingoBoingo The most horrid biological distaster in history. We were too greedy. Too careless.
06:13 ith So a bio false flag, then...
06:13 ith And then what?
06:13 BingoBoingo We can out of oil and phosphorous so instead of drilling and mining the ground, we stopped processing sewage and started mining it.
06:13 BingoBoingo This lead to 0 flush
06:14 ith And how many people died as a result of this disaster?
06:14 BingoBoingo Some industrial processes were never meant to exist so close to each other.
06:15 BingoBoingo Every single one on a toilet at a time. "They" emerged at 0 flush
06:16 ith Well I'd love to stay and chat about this further. Thank you for making the end of my day a bit better, anyway. I'm afraid that I have to leave now. Be back tomorrow evening. See you and thank you all for chipping in to unravel this mystery!
06:16 ith Goodbye
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06:34 BingoBoingo !up adlai
06:44 * adlai vanishes behind a cloud of keyboard dust, kicked up from furious typing
06:48 * shinohai imagines adlai as a digital dibbuk ....
06:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13596 @ 0.00050032 = 6.8024 BTC [+]
06:50 * adlai suggests, for con-venience, linking http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/ from http://qntra.net/about/
06:50 assbot Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY9tv0 )
06:50 assbot About | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvMjTr )
06:51 BingoBoingo I'll get to it next revision of all that
06:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26457 @ 0.00050032 = 13.237 BTC [+]
07:03 shinohai https://redd.it/3yw5cz <<< LOLOLOL
07:03 assbot What if Bitcoin Core becomes a major altcoin after a fork? : bitcoin_uncensored ... ( http://bit.ly/1TrDNVD )
07:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00050086 = 6.962 BTC [+]
07:12 adlai pff, "The real problem is if Bitcoin whales choose Core"... the real problem is not getting stepped on by elephants
07:13 adlai this has been known to cause severe maiming, dismemberment, unconsciousness, retardation, and worst of all, loss of bitcoins
07:15 adlai !up punkman
07:15 deedbot- [Qntra] Difficulty Rises 11.16% Adding A New Digit At 103,880,340,815 - http://qntra.net/2015/12/difficulty-rises-11-16-adding-a-new-digit-at-103880340815/
07:16 shinohai In the morning ass department ... https://i.imgur.com/AKvhhrw.jpg
07:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaIfZF )
07:21 adlai shinohai: porn is off-topic unless you shangohai it into tumblr
07:22 shinohai And you are suddenly chatroom content manager?
07:22 adlai also, real porn tends to have fewer clothes, unless it's phashion porn
07:23 adlai no, i'm just suddenly self-voiced...
07:23 * adlai hands the content curation baton back to shinohai
07:23 adlai (this is basically the secret to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-09-2015#1287814 )
07:23 assbot Logged on 29-09-2015 19:37:55; jurov: cargocult masonry aside, i surmised they invented structured discussion, i.e. it was clear at all times whose turn is to speak
07:24 adlai years later to be reinvented by one japanese neckbeard who loved to gamble but hated paying a cut to the statehouse
07:25 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/a7SuymU.jpg
07:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaJoR0 )
07:28 * adlai pushes to the stack of someday blog posts: "10 reasons why arbitrageurs should sell the ride and rent a bike"
07:29 adlai fits right between "how to kill dictators on bitbet" and "why scalpl only trades on mpex"
07:30 * adlai is frankly disappoint that so many people are so waltzy with basshar
07:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51986 @ 0.00050086 = 26.0377 BTC [+]
07:34 adlai lol, protip for those who like to live dangerously: send with joinmarket, but winnings to originating address. 1/N chance you get your money back, or you made a nice donation to phungibility providers
07:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00050273 = 30.5157 BTC [+] {3}
07:36 BingoBoingo lol
07:37 * adlai should really do a blog post explaining how "tinder for coinjoin" works, but then he'd be executed for blatand shillery
07:38 adlai !s from:thestringpuller blog
07:38 assbot 42 results for 'from:thestringpuller blog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Athestringpuller+blog
07:39 * adlai got his answer, returns to irl universe etc
07:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74365 @ 0.00049929 = 37.1297 BTC [-] {5}
07:49 BingoBoingo !up dub
07:52 adlai ;;later tell danielpbarron what's the least you'd be willing to pay for an "mpex shuffle" generator?
07:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:53 adlai !s mpex shuffle
07:53 assbot 2 results for 'mpex shuffle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpex+shuffle
07:54 adlai preferably set to background music, some sorta psytrance blockchain radiomabobber
08:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00050364 = 34.5497 BTC [+] {3}
08:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, let me know when it'd be a good time to do the 128-256gb ram upgrade.
08:23 BingoBoingo Much server
08:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1356966 << alf has a theory that all these low effort "law breaking" things exist as usg-run operations to find and document wreckers.
08:23 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 07:57:10; copypaste: I never quite understood the purpose of this "company"; founded in USA yet ignoring USG rules to transfer quantities of $1 using Bitcoin
08:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, the bottleneck for what phuctor does is ram, so whatcha gonna do.
08:24 BingoBoingo I'm going to enjoy watching big numbers like this get tossed around.
08:25 * BingoBoingo typing from machine with 256 GB of persistent storage
08:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1356977 << you don't understand. jail in the us is actually better accommodations than what most of the world enjoys.
08:25 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 08:03:42; copypaste: At least Charlie laundered millions of dollars, they'll be going to jail over 50 cups of coffee and some $1 prostitution ads
08:25 mircea_popescu it costs n times the LIFETIME AVERAGE INCOME of the world's poorest billion to keep a dude in jail for a year.
08:26 mircea_popescu and fuck, it has air conditioning.
08:26 BingoBoingo Except in Louisiana
08:26 mircea_popescu do you realise that with temperatures in the 30s and humidity over 5000% i spend about 100w per sq ft to keep the terrariums livable
08:26 mircea_popescu yet about half this city uses... fans ?
08:27 BingoBoingo dayum
08:27 mircea_popescu ;;calc 100 * 24 * 2 * 30
08:27 gribble 144000
08:28 mircea_popescu there you go, 144kWh per sqft, that's over 70 MWh for a two girl apt.
08:28 mircea_popescu and then people derp about mining being eco-unfriendly./
08:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66579 @ 0.00050096 = 33.3534 BTC [-] {3}
08:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo damned things set at 21 throughout. it has not yet happened i've seen it reach 21 yet, anywhere. shittiest unit sucks 3kw to try and fail.
08:30 mircea_popescu it's a fucking soup out there. (turns out cooling humid air is way more energetically demanding than cooling dry air. who knew!)
08:31 BingoBoingo Are you sure you have enough compressor?
08:31 mircea_popescu i think i have enough compressor to oppress a horse.
08:32 BingoBoingo Have you tried vacation?
08:33 mircea_popescu oh, we're gonna talk about the MWh an atomic dirigible burns ?
08:33 BingoBoingo Away from river, closer to penguins
08:34 mircea_popescu anyway. i like it here. instead of "full nudity for all visitors. house rules." "what ?!??!" it's "full nudity for all visitors. house rules." "oh thanks god!"
08:35 BingoBoingo lol
08:36 adlai !v assbot:adlai.rate.anduck.1:0473b62d19bbb27c9f51d26fc6dcba01ebe4c2e1ebf6677b3d594b098ab39f1a
08:36 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for anduck with note: dude seems to honestly care for my mental health, wants me to stop trolling #b-a
08:37 mircea_popescu lol are you gonna be saved bb ?
08:39 BingoBoingo I have no idea yet
08:40 * adlai goes on vacation, it's good for the soule
08:41 * BingoBoingo has spent the entire week safely on high ground
08:41 * adlai vaped on a high chair while yuval cohen did the jazz thing, !rate him 10/10 would listen again
08:44 mircea_popescu here's a fun tidbit i forgot to mention in the dedicated article : out of ~278k female profiles (which really seem to be the total of the meat of okcupid, ie, women under 30) there is exactly NO actual female 180 cm or over. a buncha trannies but those obviously are not female.
08:44 mircea_popescu the intersection between "suprmodel" and "okcupid" turns out to be nil.
08:45 adlai what if they're s/fe//?
08:46 adlai or does transitioning mean you are now a gender-free androgynee
08:46 mircea_popescu dumbgendered, to go with the mayogendered.
08:46 mircea_popescu anyway, "transitioning" means you're an injured-whatever you were born.
08:46 adlai injured, with extreme prejudice
08:46 mircea_popescu an ox is not a "transitioning" cow. it's an injured bull.
08:47 adlai donkey-gendered
08:47 adlai er sorry, mule
08:47 mircea_popescu once some chick fucks an octopus AND CONCEIVES we're in mule territory.
08:47 * adlai has some japanese magazines to sell you!
08:48 mircea_popescu anyway. lo and behold, most of the womenz trying to date online have a god damned reason for it! behind a monitor, nobody knows you're short!
08:48 * adlai goes back to browsing p2sh.info while fantasising about scorched-chain miner defection
08:50 adlai lol, even the donation address is a bounty in favor of sedition
08:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88200 @ 0.00049736 = 43.8672 BTC [-] {4}
08:52 mircea_popescu here's one for phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-n7YfRKqc
08:52 assbot France Gall - Computer Nr3 (Live 1968) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0tN85 )
09:01 adlai http://qntra.net/archives/ !?
09:01 assbot Archives | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYsi4V )
09:02 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski get an actual Archive page for the Contravex already
09:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:02 BingoBoingo adlai: That's a mystery
09:02 BingoBoingo Ah works now
09:03 adlai not from over here! but yes from archive.is... wtf
09:03 BingoBoingo if you click the navbar link
09:03 adlai you know you've had too much to think when computers start breaking from contact merely digital
09:03 adlai https://archive.is/5rSjf works, snapshat just now, http://qntra.net/archives/ - doesn't!
09:03 assbot Archives | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0uhLm )
09:03 assbot Archives | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYsi4V )
09:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357021 << if we could plox not voice this idiot again until he does enough reading to get out of so-dumb-unintentional-trolling-and-it's-not-even-funny ghetto kthx.
09:14 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 09:31:13; Quent: BingoBoingo, aren't softforks hardforks?
09:14 BingoBoingo Sure
09:14 adlai he could just read the margin notes, that's why they're there.
09:15 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357092 << i was just skimming through the unflushed toilet, trying to discern if any ACTUAL PEOPLE had anything to say during all the braying of NON PEOPLE, ran into punkman, lolled.
09:15 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 10:25:27; punkman: do you know thenewdeal fellow?
09:16 * adlai remains in the so-dumb-intentional-trolling-and-i-made-myself-laugh-that's-all-the-difference
09:16 mircea_popescu !rate adlai -1 actually it's time to shut up.
09:16 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2dd7a8aade305961
09:17 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.adlai.-1:0fa48cb748629fa46745f8cd9b2972541cc1408dde31d976415bca5b1869b678
09:17 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for adlai with note: actually it's time to shut up.
09:17 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot adlai
09:17 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user adlai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=adlai | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/adlai/
09:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes asciilifeform jurov if you'd kindly consider whether the noise is worth it i'd be grateful kthx.
09:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00049868 = 19.8973 BTC [+] {3}
09:19 adlai !v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.1:0421af1115e7485bf7f6ea575152d9366302c2228e79bd6d0252bc963348033e
09:19 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: pretty much the only guy who tells me when to shut up
09:20 shinohai !rate adlai -1 Perhaps one day science will discover a cure for verbal diarrhea.
09:20 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6919df6602129ae4
09:21 shinohai !v assbot:shinohai.rate.adlai.-1:577e9b5f9dec54bf911e4373613796d92596268f5a4c210066e5c24e346fbcb0
09:21 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for adlai with note: Perhaps one day science will discover a cure for verbal diarrhea.
09:21 shinohai There, I did my part.
09:22 adlai !v assbot:adlai.rate.shinohai.-1:08af796f1e38afd8cbc76c78ef1a7e3a97c960b254344bab68251dc5e97ad851
09:22 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for shinohai with note: perhaps one day shilling will discover a cure for liquid asset leakage
09:23 * adlai does his... or is this not how the wot works?
09:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31280 @ 0.00050003 = 15.6409 BTC [+] {2}
09:29 mircea_popescu o look, BingoBoingo and shinohai found some chicks too tall to be on okcupid!
09:29 BingoBoingo seriously
09:30 shinohai What can I say, I'm a legs guy.
09:32 mircea_popescu in direr news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/4d90cc15c0bec19d20658897086ff331/tumblr_nwqkb9FuU11rdc5oto1_500.gif
09:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLnJJ0 )
09:41 deedbot- [Qntra] 2015 In Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2015/12/2015-in-bitcoin/
09:41 BingoBoingo ^ Let me know in the comments if I missed anything
09:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24303 @ 0.00050341 = 12.2344 BTC [+]
09:46 mircea_popescu i guess technically speaking there is no such thing as "downward volatility".
09:47 mircea_popescu "volatile downtrend" if you want.
09:55 BingoBoingo ty, fixed
10:06 BingoBoingo Also qntra archives page should work consistently now
10:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73300 @ 0.00050294 = 36.8655 BTC [-] {3}
10:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357250 << any time
10:23 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 13:22:20; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, let me know when it'd be a good time to do the 128-256gb ram upgrade.
10:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357259 << talking about what something costs in usaschwitz is rather tricky
10:24 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 13:25:58; mircea_popescu: it costs n times the LIFETIME AVERAGE INCOME of the world's poorest billion to keep a dude in jail for a year.
10:25 asciilifeform (see the 'turkey-buying dollar' thread)
10:25 BingoBoingo Alright took the opportunity to chop on qntra a bit. Page loading should be still faster.
10:25 asciilifeform guard is paid $x, he - like every other working stiff in usaschwitz - goes back and spends $x-epsilon on housing racket and tax
10:26 asciilifeform 'american is never given money, he is merely shown it and allowed to hold in his hands for a spell to be reminded that it exists'
10:27 asciilifeform so to speak of it ~costing n times avg income on the planet~ or whatnot, is misleading, because the circulatory loop is closed
10:27 asciilifeform the prison guard (or whoever else) cannot take the salary and spend it on N slaves in the turd world
10:28 * adlai wonders re: median Bitcoin income
10:28 asciilifeform adlai: 0
10:28 adlai brb bullshitting it off trb financial statements
10:29 BingoBoingo Enablers https://i.sli.mg/EYMto2.png
10:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YUaXP6 )
10:29 adlai well naturally i'm capping the sample set at positive amounts of satoshi... if you're too stupid to make money, you don't have negative income. you are funemployed.
10:29 asciilifeform let's put it this way, if $firm were to put N additional zeroes in front of my wage, and landlord put the same number of zeroes in front of my rent, does this make any practical difference ?
10:29 asciilifeform (answer: yes! to the tax collector! he gets nonlinearly moar)
10:30 adlai don't forget the lobbyist who asymptotically restores linearity
10:31 asciilifeform adlai: read the hypothetical again. the net money to spend remains same
10:31 asciilifeform at least in effect.
10:32 * adlai redefines "lobbyist" as "collector of sales tax on tickets to the democracy theatre"
10:33 asciilifeform the high wages in usa come simply from the sheer volume of bezzle sloshing around, and don't actually buy anything interesting (the lack of shit rivers in the streets has nothing whatsoever to do with the number of zeroes in front of the decimal point)
10:34 asciilifeform e.g., zimbabwe has many more significant zeros, but also more turd
10:35 asciilifeform so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house a prisoner or pay a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su
10:35 asciilifeform usaschwitz prisoner - even in the Big Zone ('freedom') - is rarely fed actual bread, or even clean water
10:35 asciilifeform eats synthetic sludge.
10:36 asciilifeform like most of his countrymen.
10:36 adlai Soylent Cream is [actually good for] People!
10:36 asciilifeform adlai: what's 'funemployed' ?
10:36 adlai it's when you're not employed, but still having fun
10:37 adlai state commonly encountered among open source programmers, homeless alcoholics, and the mentally retarted
10:37 * asciilifeform bbl.
10:38 adlai take care.
10:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44517 @ 0.00050221 = 22.3569 BTC [-] {2}
10:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00049754 = 5.8625 BTC [-]
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11:05 copypaste indeed mircea_popescu, but you're missing the point; it's worth more to USG to have people that run services like Paxful out of the equation than the costs of putting them in jail
11:06 copypaste it happened to bitinstant, coin.mx, and so on; i see no reason to think why it won't happen to Paxful just because the dollar amounts are on average smaller
11:06 copypaste you're digging your own grave by incorporating there and partnering with companies that all agree to prevent "money laundering", then in the next breath telling your clients to lie to those companies in order to transact
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11:32 mircea_popescu well sure.
11:41 * adlai squares the triangle, stabilising the tripod with the most obvious omission: children
11:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well sure. i was discussing the "what is taxpayer billed" angle.
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12:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00050232 = 21.4993 BTC [+]
12:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64700 @ 0.00050344 = 32.5726 BTC [+] {4}
12:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.0005005 = 18.2182 BTC [-] {3}
12:31 BingoBoingo So qntra website should be even faster still than it was the last time I said it got faster here in channel. Please let me know if it is not.
12:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202150 @ 0.00050605 = 102.298 BTC [+] {5}
12:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38072 @ 0.00050718 = 19.3094 BTC [+] {2}
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12:56 thestringpuller damn BingoBoingo
12:56 thestringpuller this slow as a mollassus
12:56 thestringpuller jk
12:57 thestringpuller qntra is the fastest loading website
12:57 thestringpuller on my bookmarks
12:57 thestringpuller Reminds me of some dumb redditard who was like "This webpage on reddit is 8 megs and I loaded it in 1 second. Blocks should be bigger!" << I was like you're proud of that nonsense?
13:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00049754 = 7.289 BTC [-]
13:10 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/6QOdXb1.jpg
13:10 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXmrfz )
13:13 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357217 did a fake punkman show up, not in my logs
13:13 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 12:15:20; adlai: !up punkman
13:16 adlai !up for an !up leaves the rhyme unfinished
13:16 adlai bot/assbot): You voiced for for 30 minutes.
13:17 thestringpuller punkman: do you not have your nick locked by nickserv?
13:17 punkman sure
13:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17322 @ 0.00050048 = 8.6693 BTC [+]
13:19 adlai so uhm, mircea_popescu tells me to shut up so i did,wandered over to fuckerbergia, troll around a bit, then this happens: http://i.imgur.com/rNWRjU3.png
13:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXngoL )
13:20 adlai those (the edits) are hebrew for "like satoshi himself", and "btw he's a gypsy"
13:20 thestringpuller so evoorhees blasts litecoin with https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjv6l/my_response_to_a_litecoin_advocate/ then goes on to found shapeshift.io ...
13:20 thestringpuller did I miss something?
13:20 * adlai is not a racist, also not qualified to fight such misinformation... just fyi
13:21 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357368 "force them to clean folds and give massages" win
13:21 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 15:29:00; BingoBoingo: Enablers https://i.sli.mg/EYMto2.png
13:24 punkman "She divorced Edward Halverson and returned to using her family name after he was convicted of hitting her with a frying pan during a domestic argument in 2008. Edward Halverson is serving three to 10 years in state prison."
13:28 thestringpuller BitGo says: "My personal view at this point is that it's more important that we successfully accomplish an intentional hard fork"
13:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109333 @ 0.00050725 = 55.4592 BTC [+] {3}
13:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14235 @ 0.00050884 = 7.2433 BTC [+]
13:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20465 @ 0.00050989 = 10.4349 BTC [+] {2}
13:33 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357422 <<< word
13:33 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 18:20:32; thestringpuller: so evoorhees blasts litecoin with https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjv6l/my_response_to_a_litecoin_advocate/ then goes on to found shapeshift.io ...
13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4878 @ 0.00050287 = 2.453 BTC [-]
13:39 thestringpuller !up assbot
13:39 thestringpuller oops
13:39 thestringpuller !up ascii_rear
13:39 ascii_rear ty thestringpuller
13:41 ascii_rear http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357391 << relationship of usg with the penny-ante criminal caste is quite like that of gamekeeper and deer. see also mega-classic 'hitler's table talk.'
13:41 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 16:05:45; copypaste: indeed mircea_popescu, but you're missing the point; it's worth more to USG to have people that run services like Paxful out of the equation than the costs of putting them in jail
13:41 adlai uhh, isn't SOP crystal clear? eric gets a visit, doesn't want to shrem away a single day, so he sets up a "money laundering tool" which tracks IPs and uses 0conf to scam its lemmings
13:41 ascii_rear aha
13:42 adlai reddit is overflowing with shills telling people "exchange -> wallet -> other wallet -> electrum -> exchange -> shapeshift -> exchange ->etc"
13:42 * adlai leaves the role of electrum to the alert/paranoid reader
13:43 * adlai has a shapeshift.io shirt, got for phree in miami (aka GarzaConf), wears it ironically because he's such a hipster
13:43 ascii_rear adlai in usa often ?
13:43 adlai someday it'll be worth more than eric's head on a platter
13:43 shinohai !unrate adlai
13:43 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a26deac33f7f53eb
13:43 adlai ascii_rear: only when people buy my ticket, or sell me a lisp machine
13:44 ascii_rear adlai: let's say you buy that machine. how do you intend to take it home ?
13:44 adlai i don't.
13:44 adlai there is a use for such things which does not require them leaving the greater DC area
13:44 shinohai !v assbot:shinohai.unrate.adlai:2a69c144f0d22304b713b0183bb11a4eebb07b6a75348e1620d823351402b295
13:44 assbot Successfully unrated adlai
13:44 * adlai is speaking, of course, of arbitrage
13:44 ascii_rear adlai: buy cheap sell dear ?
13:45 ascii_rear not so many takers for these, who don't already have one.
13:45 * adlai like any srs trdr does not reveal both source and destination in the same breath
13:45 ascii_rear this is not a rembrandt, after all, but a mass-produced item
13:45 ascii_rear sorta like a 'ford t'
13:45 adlai sure.
13:45 * adlai hasn't given you btc yet... gotta make sure the taker takes as well
13:46 adlai if it's still on the block, and in working order, then i'll get in touch with him.
13:46 ascii_rear also if adlai wants to be a serious broker in lispm, he ought talk to dave schmidt and not me
13:46 adlai shinohai: why'd you brigade me but not liquidassets ?
13:46 shinohai I was busting your balls adlai
13:47 adlai brokers deal with volume, sometimes arbitrage opportunities only exist for a single trade.
13:47 ascii_rear these are quite like a ford t
13:47 ascii_rear with the exception that you can get parts for the ford t
13:47 ascii_rear hence a single, solitary lispm is rather like a solitary mig-29
13:47 ascii_rear won't last terribly long.
13:47 * adlai suddenly recalls being told to shut up, this is excellent advice!
13:49 adlai !v assbot:adlai.rate.shinohai.-1:f5edf6ad4b11b3db91af0e76eb03b41c7fdcbe1b8570f638485f9777a69cf0d9
13:49 assbot Successfully updated the rating for shinohai from -1 to -1 with note: thinks it's a fucking game
13:49 adlai ascii_rear: I'm not kidding about buying it, please let me know if it's in working order.
13:49 shinohai *sigh*
13:49 ascii_rear adlai: i will
13:52 * adlai would also be curious to hear how ascii_rear recommends transporting it [within the greater DC area] such that it remains in working order
13:53 ascii_rear adlai: only by car
13:53 ascii_rear preferably one with nice luxury suspension
13:54 adlai what about a shitty rental? remember, i may be wealthy enough to buy a ford t, but i'm too poorfag to register my own keyid
13:54 ascii_rear once you power it, satisfied, and wheel it away, all bets are off
13:57 * adlai opens a "lispm crashes upon or before delivery to end-buyer" bitbet, funds Yes (as a self-promotion stunt)
14:00 adlai re:litecoin and our dearly departed aryan posterchild for bitcoin entrepeneurship... "It has a little value purely as a backup blockchain in case some critical flaw destroys Bitcoin's blockchain (assuming the same flaw doesn't affect LTC)."
14:01 adlai ie, it has zero value as a backup blockchain, because it's all the same code, only with fewer fixes and more "it wasn't broken, why did you fix it?"
14:01 adlai there's roughly one blockchain i'm aware of which DOES have positive-epsilon backup-value, and it's not fucking woodcoin
14:02 * adlai shuts up again,alert reader can (apply #'adlai #&environment) themselves
14:02 ascii_rear adlai: this thread is good sober adlai
14:03 ascii_rear if there were moar of this, possibly folks wouldn't unrate
14:05 * adlai lets sober adlai pick it up, someday. maybe on his sober blog, although the drunk one is much likelier to see the light of day phirst...
14:06 thestringpuller what does ascii_rear imply?
14:06 thestringpuller rear of spaceship?
14:06 ascii_rear rear (vs front)
14:06 adlai !s from:thestringpuller blog
14:06 assbot 42 results for 'from:thestringpuller blog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Athestringpuller+blog
14:07 thestringpuller what are you looking for adlai lol
14:07 thestringpuller my tumblr blog is stale
14:08 adlai you seemed to also be on the verge of starting one, maybe i misread.
14:11 thestringpuller !up ascii_rear
14:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23651 @ 0.00049847 = 11.7893 BTC [-]
14:12 thestringpuller adlai: slowly but surely. the theme is mainly done but have to do more wordpress-y things which i do enough of at work as is...
14:13 * adlai half-continues the altkoin thread: "Rejection reason: Coinmarketcap is not a usable resolution source. Please resubmit with a reliable source for such data if you can." << does anybody nominate more reliable sources?
14:13 * adlai can't find one, maybe needs new glasses
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44071 @ 0.00049847 = 21.9681 BTC [-]
14:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00049833 = 10.4151 BTC [-] {3}
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14:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62832 @ 0.00049751 = 31.2595 BTC [-] {2}
14:38 ascii_rear in other non-nyooz,
14:38 ascii_rear http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=491
14:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzlLmn )
14:38 ascii_rear ^ 'personal analogue computer'
14:39 ascii_rear http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_big.php?n=2369 << the examples in the manual involve neutron kinetics in reactor
14:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzlT5d )
14:39 pete_dushenski mod6 ascii_rear et al. : the following are the various snippits of error messages from my most recently attempts at 99997k on debian 7 : http://dpaste.com/3SPWKDN.txt : any help is much appreciated.
14:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzlQqd )
14:39 mircea_popescu <shinohai> https://i.imgur.com/6QOdXb1.jpg << traditionally, that's what call girls are for.
14:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXmrfz )
14:39 pete_dushenski recent*
14:40 ascii_rear pete_dushenski: what are you building with ?
14:40 shinohai :D
14:40 ascii_rear and for what machine
14:41 pete_dushenski ascii_rear: was following recipe here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-12-2015#1350145
14:41 assbot Logged on 22-12-2015 04:58:44; mircea_popescu: anyway, for pete_d and anyone else who might have encountered difficulty with trb or fears they might : it's actually rather painless. 1. you create an account on a server ; 2. you cd /home/account_name ; 3. you create a .wot directory (mkdir .wot) ; 4. you put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc ; 5. you download the rotor script (curl deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-9999
14:41 pete_dushenski and lemme check the specs of the machine...
14:42 mircea_popescu thestringpuller> BitGo says: "My personal view at this point is that it's more important that we successfully accomplish an intentional hard fork" << yes, it would be important for their self-validaiton. just like every pimply teenager is right in suspecting that the most important thing they could be doing for their own maturity is actually bedding a woman already.
14:42 pete_dushenski !up ascii_rear
14:42 shinohai pete_dushenski: is this a 32 bit machine?
14:42 mircea_popescu nevertheless - they're not young men, fated to one day be mature men. they're worms. not caterpillars. worms. fated to NEVER be anything but worms.
14:42 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: can you paste the output of `uname -a`
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46950 @ 0.00050995 = 23.9422 BTC [+]
14:45 pete_dushenski shinohai: 64 bit
14:46 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i was thinking the other day. bitcoin just has scammers. just as the world is filled with worms. pirateat40 was very low IQ scammer. then mt. gox tried to hide a little better not by alot.
14:46 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: Linux [name] 2.6.32-042stab108.8 #1 SMP Wed Jul 22 17:23:23 MSK 2015 i686 GNU/Linux
14:46 thestringpuller so scam after scam continues, and we finally get this new class.
14:46 ascii_rear pete_dushenski: there's weird shit in your PATH
14:47 ascii_rear we may have to add whatever this thing is to the rotten linuxen list
14:47 thestringpuller You once said, "More scammers, the more trustworthy the legitimates become", but I see less real business to scam ratio
14:49 pete_dushenski shinohai: heh. make that 32 bit. this is why, children, you measure twice and cut once !
14:50 mircea_popescu thestringpuller you hafta understand this "X is a scammer" bullshit is pretty much ALWAYS some sort of entrenched structure trying to wash its sins on the cheap. oh, "madoff" scammed ? Really ? HE diod it ? not the 1k+ "experts" that recommended him to his clients etc ? not all the various "supervisors" and "authorities" ? it was... maddof ? fuck that.
14:50 pete_dushenski i'll give it another go with a proper 64 bit os
14:50 mircea_popescu there is nothing special about pirate other than the fact that theymos, and gigavps, and grubbles and EVERYONE ELSE kept pushing him.
14:50 shinohai ah ha! mod6 gave me some material on 32 bit builds around here somewhere.
14:50 ascii_rear !b 4
14:50 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0NCJGTZ.txt )
14:50 mircea_popescu there's nothing remarkable about mtgox other than the facrt that merck, and vessenes, and gavin and theymos and ver and who have you kept pushing it.
14:51 mircea_popescu the actual crystal ball involved is just a bauble. could have been any random other item,
14:51 mircea_popescu it's these scumbags that are the problem, the meni rosenfelds and etc of the world.
14:51 mircea_popescu forget about looking where the scam troop tries to direct your gaze and instead look at the man pointing.
14:51 ascii_rear at the root of the league of scumbags is the tacit nod of usg
14:51 mod6 pete_dushenski: are you trying to build rotor+TEST2 on i686? (sorry, i'm kinda coming in the middle of this convo.)
14:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00049729 = 13.6755 BTC [-]
14:52 mircea_popescu ascii_rear which is why mp keeps going Hey SEC... fuck you.
14:52 mircea_popescu !s SEC from:mircea
14:52 assbot 228 results for 'SEC from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=SEC+from%3Amircea
14:52 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357522 << FYI step 1 is mistake #1
14:52 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 19:41:17; pete_dushenski: ascii_rear: was following recipe here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-12-2015#1350145
14:52 ascii_rear in the sense where usg could have burned down gox ages before it died on its own, but see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-11-2015#1322048
14:52 assbot Logged on 11-11-2015 17:42:47; ascii_field: 'Now the Sirens have a still more fatal weapon than their song, namely their silence. And though admittedly such a thing has never happened, still it is conceivable that someone might possibly have escaped from their singing; but from their silence certainly never.' (ol' franz k.)
14:54 mircea_popescu it didn't die on its own.
14:54 pete_dushenski mod6: looks like that's what i WAS doing. taking a crack from another angle now (debian 8 x86_64 bit)
14:55 mircea_popescu it died over the kicking and screaming pile of the aforenamed and more, flying to japan to "Save it" and etc.
14:55 mircea_popescu nor did pirate "die on its own"
14:55 mircea_popescu nor will fucking wuille die on his own.
14:55 mod6 pete_dushenski: ah ok. cool then, but yeah, shinohai was right, there /are/ i386/i686 steps available - although, i think I haven't updated them since V became a thing.
14:56 shinohai Hence why I can't remember where I put said steps now xD
14:56 pete_dushenski mod6: cool thanks. i'll let you know how this test goes :)
14:59 mod6 alright cool. mind if I ask which rotor+TEST2 script you're using?
14:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357485 << re-reading my lines from 2013 is always a fun endeavour
14:59 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 19:00:53; adlai: re:litecoin and our dearly departed aryan posterchild for bitcoin entrepeneurship... "It has a little value purely as a backup blockchain in case some critical flaw destroys Bitcoin's blockchain (assuming the same flaw doesn't affect LTC)."
15:00 mod6 pete_dushenski: you may want to try out trinque's latest changes
15:00 * mod6 digs up
15:00 pete_dushenski mod6: i'm using deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh
15:01 * mod6 looks
15:01 mod6 aha, this is /my/ latest one.
15:02 mod6 which should work fine for you.
15:02 mod6 (on x86-64)
15:02 mod6 trinque's had some subtle changes
15:02 mod6 mainly just to unbury the static binary once built.
15:03 shinohai Also, thanks mod6 for help with signing script the other day, works like a charm now.
15:05 mod6 shinohai: that's awesome =]
15:05 mod6 you're welcome
15:05 mod6 pete_dushenski: here you go: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351958
15:05 assbot Logged on 24-12-2015 16:58:10; trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-151224.sh << made minor changes such that there's a build dir and binary's crapped into bin in the current dir
15:06 mod6 either should work fine for you. try trinque's if you hvaen't started the build yet. otherwise, np.
15:06 adlai mircea_popescu: how many times do i have to tell you, dad, stop treating me like a child!
15:07 mircea_popescu nuts huh.
15:07 adlai toys in the attic
15:07 ascii_rear wtf?
15:07 mircea_popescu psychodramaz.
15:07 adlai it's a pink floyd thing
15:08 adlai ;;google pink floyd the wall the trial lyrics
15:08 gribble The Trial lyrics - The Wall Lyrics - Pink Floyd Lyrics: <http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/the-trial-wall-lyrics.html>; PINK FLOYD LYRICS - The Trial - AZLyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/thetrial.html>; Pink Floyd - The Trial Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-trial-lyrics-pink-floyd.html>
15:10 pete_dushenski mod6: cheers. i'll give trinque's a shot since i haven't started the build just yet. just populating .wot atm.
15:12 pete_dushenski !up ascii_rear
15:15 mod6 pete_dushenski: awesome, let us know how it goes.
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00051 = 31.518 BTC [+] {2}
15:29 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Mebbe if you WoT'd the guy actually talk to him before joining a rate frenzy? << I rated him based on multiple btc purchases, all of them went smooth. I haven't seen/talked to him for many moons. People change.
15:34 adlai hmm. is there a way to `!rated somebody me` so assbot tells how they rated me?
15:34 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you hafta understand this "X is a scammer" bullshit is pretty much ALWAYS some sort of entrenched structure trying to wash its sins on the cheap. oh, "madoff" scammed ? Really ? HE diod it ? not the 1k+ "experts" that recommended him to his clients etc ? not all the various "supervisors" and "authorities" ? it was... maddof ? << this is why goat et. al pumping pirate have vanished from existence.
15:35 adlai thestringpuller: pls to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=someday#sometime << your response
15:35 assbot Logged on 01-01-1970 00:00:00; :
15:35 * adlai apologizes in advance for telling people what to do, i realize that's frowned upon when you're an Outsider (tm) (s) (r) ~~~
15:35 adlai why, you ask? context.
15:39 mircea_popescu and in today's random what the fuck! https://k1.okccdn.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/175x5/650x479/0/11173367338413991822.jpeg
15:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TssOLQ )
15:40 ascii_rear wai wut
15:40 mircea_popescu apparently it's becoming a meme.
15:40 ascii_rear nobody other than mircea_popescu (and napoleon?) ever rode on a horse in egypt ?
15:40 mircea_popescu so i thought!
15:42 * adlai preps the leaflets: "When was the last time anybody actually verified the seals on Napoleon's tomb? All seven of them!?"
15:43 adlai !up ascii_rear
15:43 mircea_popescu "assbot gives it to ascii in the rear"
15:44 ascii_rear hey how else would it be called 'assbot'
15:44 ascii_rear 'smith & wesson rechargeable police broomstick'
15:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050862 = 14.2922 BTC [-]
15:52 pete_dushenski mod6 ascii_rear i have the pubkeys in .wot and also in /root/.gnupg/pubring and yet i'm still getting "can't check signature: public key not found" (http://dpaste.com/3416RC7.txt)
15:52 ascii_rear root??
15:52 ascii_rear and wtf
15:52 ascii_rear dsa/?!!!
15:53 ascii_rear and that's not mine
15:53 pete_dushenski lolk
15:53 ascii_rear 59C36319 is... who?
15:53 shinohai didja /home/user/.wot ?
15:54 ascii_rear !s 59C36319
15:54 assbot 1 results for '59C36319' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=59C36319
15:54 pete_dushenski shinohai: i did
15:54 ascii_rear http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219684
15:54 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 19:15:19; ben_vulpes: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 09:29:39 PM UTC using DSA key ID 59C36319
15:54 ascii_rear buildroot.
15:54 * pete_dushenski reading
15:54 pete_dushenski ascii_rear: ah. bingo.
15:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57768 @ 0.00051005 = 29.4646 BTC [+]
15:59 ascii_rear pete_dushenski gonna set up a node ?
16:00 pete_dushenski yuppers
16:00 ascii_rear neato
16:00 mircea_popescu good fer you.
16:01 * ascii_rear still thinks it could be interesting to set up a number of publicly identifiable (version patch) nodez and watch the enemy reaction
16:08 ascii_rear https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/sec06/tech/shah/shah.pdf <<>> http://dpaste.com/0J0E2WD << interesting oldie
16:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mTMnCb )
16:08 assbot dpaste: 0J0E2WD ... ( http://bit.ly/1mTMnCf )
16:08 ascii_rear circa '06
16:10 ascii_rear 'This paper introduces JitterBugs , a class of inline interception mechanisms that covertly transmit data by perturbing the timing of input events likely to affect externally observable network traffic. JitterBugs positioned at input devices deep within the trusted environment (e.g., hidden in cables or connectors) can leak sensitive data without compromising the host or its software. In particular, we show a practical
16:10 ascii_rear Keyboard JitterBug that solves the data exfiltration problem for keystroke loggers by leaking captured passwords through small variations in the precise times at which keyboard events are delivered to the host. Whenever an interactive communication application (such as SSH, Telnet, instant messaging, etc) is running, a receiver monitoring the host’s network traffic can recover the leaked data, even when the session o
16:10 ascii_rear r link is encrypted. Our experiments suggest that simple Keyboard JitterBugs can be a practical technique for capturing and exfiltrating typed secrets under conventional OSes and interactive network applications, even when the receiver is many hops away on the Internet.'
16:11 mircea_popescu yeah, certainly a major concern.
16:11 ascii_rear artificial side channels are old hat at this point
16:12 ascii_rear but the schoolbook demo is lulzy
16:12 mircea_popescu loose-couplings in general, in all cases.
16:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00051007 = 26.0646 BTC [+] {2}
16:22 mod6 pete_dushenski: root@enchante:/home/tevye# ./build-bitcoind-151224.sh << if you made /home/tevye/.wot -- run this as 'tevye', not root.
16:23 mod6 !v ascii_rear
16:23 assbot Invalid verfication string.
16:23 mod6 !up ascii_rear
16:23 ascii_rear ty mod6. re: 'jitterbug', could be interesting to wire up some consumer keyboards to a thing that fakes a press for each key and determines time-to-signal-on-the-wire.
16:24 ascii_rear dollars to doughnuts you will find a signal at some point.
16:24 ascii_rear the reason for this is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-12-2015#1336785
16:24 assbot Logged on 05-12-2015 04:20:16; asciilifeform: (afaik publickeyization of stego is an unsolved megapr0bl3m)
16:26 ascii_rear 'It is widely believed that 0.1 seconds is about the limit for the response time for a user to feel that the system is reacting instantaneously [32]. Therefore in practice, the window size will have to be smaller than that. Our own experience with the Keyboard JitterBug shows that 20 ms is a perfectly acceptable window size and this amount of added lag for each keystroke is effectively unnoticeable by the user.'
16:30 mircea_popescu who the fuck sends passwords over the wire one character at a time is beyond the scope of this discussion/
16:31 ascii_rear ssh.
16:31 ascii_rear or rather, ssh ~over ssh~
16:32 ascii_rear as in, where you pass terminal input to a process on a remote box
16:32 ascii_rear thinkaboutit
16:32 * adlai does this routinely, is he even stupider than he thought?
16:32 mircea_popescu you type passwords into a remote box ?
16:32 ascii_rear most sysadmins end up doing this at some point
16:32 adlai rarely, but ssh-over-ssh? all day, every day.
16:32 mircea_popescu i guess.
16:33 adlai the inner session is opened from direct access to relay box.
16:33 * adlai does roughly 2/3 of his #b-abble via irc-over-ssh-over-ssh
16:33 mircea_popescu i dunno who'd use password-based ssh. then again that paper is from a decade ago.
16:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00049706 = 40.1624 BTC [-] {7}
16:33 ascii_rear even keyed ssh often includes a password
16:33 ascii_rear (for the key)
16:34 mircea_popescu you want two locks on the box ?
16:34 ascii_rear afaik most folks encipher ssh key (for just the same reason as btc hotwallet)
16:35 mircea_popescu afaik most folks copy/paste passwords, but that's besides the point.
16:40 * adlai has typed a btc hotwallet password into ssh-o-ssh, for canarification
16:40 ascii_rear adlai: see the 'glass cannon' thread
16:42 * adlai searches for it, finds just before first log mention - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125824
16:42 assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 23:15:54; mircea_popescu: same reason intel's fundamentally unconcerning : all greedy algorithms are vulnerable to other greedy algorithms. that's what it means.
16:42 adlai totally unrelated, yet... this is why i work on scalpl, and why nobody else cares about scalpl.
16:42 mircea_popescu the only thing that'd be interesting there is discovering a supply chain attack.
16:43 mircea_popescu which... if the chinese aren't doing it already, it's because they're kinda too slow for this world.
16:43 ascii_rear mircea_popescu: i'd expect to find it in chinese iron with american firmware (e.g., apple keyboard)
16:43 * adlai doesn't understand the glass cannon's purpose
16:44 ascii_rear adlai: a glass cannon is a proverbial weapon that can be used exactly once.
16:44 adlai hm. maybe i do? yeah... i was misinterpreting it as a weapon which reveals its usage. headful of canaries...
16:44 ascii_rear (how many times can you use, e.g., a pill against rsa ?)
16:45 ascii_rear each shot had better net you some serious win
16:45 ascii_rear ergo a 'canary' fueled with 0.5 btc is an exercise in self-delusion
16:46 adlai glass cannons are perfectly reusable if you reinforce the firing station, syncronize your shots with other noise (aka soldiering 101)
16:46 ascii_rear adlai: familiar with ww2 story of the bombing of coventry ?
16:46 adlai hmm. it's not all self-delusion... it means, "this target is worth more than X btc"
16:47 * adlai did not mention X!
16:47 adlai goon with the trigger finger might be greedier than his boss
16:47 adlai see Karl Mark IVce etc
16:47 ascii_rear i thought the whole reason behind adlai getting depressed and taking to dope was that he couldn't get enough coin to properly try scalpel
16:48 adlai !b 9
16:48 assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/23S49BB.txt )
16:48 * adlai knows some people who'd kill for $mpexAcct
16:48 ascii_rear aha
16:48 adlai they, at least, have not fucked y boxen.
16:49 adlai (also, an exercise in financial mathematics, for the truly alert lurker - how many times larger a bankroll than $mpexRegistrationFee-$mpexReferralFee do you need for registration to be rational?)
16:49 * adlai gueesstimates 22 mil btc, but has not yet done the math
16:49 ascii_rear adlai: have you read my ancient piece re: mpex ?
16:50 adlai what do i look like, a bunch of text? i have eyes as well.
16:51 adlai don't get me wrong, there is definite noise to be reduced, aka - money to be made. but the question is more "how much money do you need, to earn back the registration fee before your grandchildren die"
16:51 * adlai repeats, for the less-alert lurkers: my +v is a testament to the fact that money can be made on mpex.
16:52 adlai notice how much mircea hates me... he scratches, he moans, he bleeds! but the thorn - remains.
16:52 adlai maybe i'm just an elaborate plot device, myself...
16:53 ascii_rear iirc mircea_popescu (and damn near everybody) isn't terribly fond of clutter in the logz from depressed folks screaming on the stake
16:54 ascii_rear e.g., i could go on about the kind of things that happen to me at $firm but I DONT
16:54 adlai yeah, that's why they tell me to shut up, and when i'm not too drunk to read, i do.
16:54 adlai !up ascii_rear
16:54 ascii_rear ty adlai. my advice is to try for high snr
16:54 ascii_rear that way folks actually pay attention
16:55 ascii_rear even yearz later, reading the logz
16:56 adlai ty ascii_rear . i'll close this babble with my response to mircea_popescu's "-w mode": https://github.com/adlai/TenHundredBitsOfMoney
16:56 assbot adlai/TenHundredBitsOfMoney · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMuQkv )
16:57 ascii_rear adlai: i think we did this before ?
16:58 ascii_rear mircea_popescu had an article about simple text stego
16:58 adlai yes, the PGP-w mode.but PGP stego only needs to work for ~2 people, whereas btc stego should work for 21M.
16:59 ascii_rear problem with all stego is that it runs exactly counter to standardization
16:59 ascii_rear fundamentally.
16:59 * adlai is thinking not of the day when you can't get your tx to the chinaman, but rather of the day when he can't return you your receipt
16:59 ascii_rear standardized/public stego scheme is merely a waste of bandwidth.
17:00 adlai sure, that's why it's tongue-in-cheek... so nobody will take it seriously, nor waste time censoring people saying words over social media.
17:02 * adlai leaves it there. someday if he picks up the meth pipe instead of the tankard, he'll whip together a PoC... or if he found the shot glass instead, he'll find his way to https://xkcd.com/simplewriter/ and tell people how he thinks they should build the system for passing computer money through the words that are said most often.
17:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMvz4U )
17:08 adlai re: snr... i realize it's an Unsolved Problem, and in precisely the same way that "racism works", it makes sense to triage text by the mouth it whenced; but "the opposite of stupid is not wrong"
17:08 adlai anybody making half a bitcent on bitbet knows this.
17:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35169 @ 0.00049562 = 17.4305 BTC [-] {2}
17:21 adlai ascii_rear: oh wait. remember "reveal themselves as tyrants"? that is the value of a ~public~ btc stegotron, esp. one which flows through 'media'
17:22 ascii_rear the reveal happened already.
17:22 adlai does Bitcoin not Exist?
17:22 * ascii_rear isn't entirely sure that it Exists
17:23 ascii_rear exists - yes
17:23 ascii_rear Exists? nfi
17:23 adlai do would-be tyrants other than USG not lurk in the shadows, waiting to replace them?
17:23 adlai think of a public btc stegotron as a probe for "safe space"
17:24 ascii_rear wai wut
17:24 adlai !up ascii_rear
17:25 adlai let's say there's a channel, #bitcoin-words, where blocks are broadcast stegodoodically. freenode lets it live. ditto for the hashtag, and the subreddit... but facebook suddenly closes down accounts that spam such words, even in private groups.
17:25 ascii_rear what'll it be, 100MB posts of crud ?
17:25 adlai (one of the oft-repeated defenses of facebook among meatspace 'anarchists' is that they don't censor private groups, because nobody complains)
17:25 adlai yep.
17:26 ascii_rear they'll be censored because 100MB of crud
17:26 ascii_rear which nobody wants
17:26 adlai imgur deals with far worse...
17:26 adlai and really, it's only 144MB daily, times the concealment factor
17:26 ascii_rear mno
17:26 adlai twitch deals with... how much?
17:26 ascii_rear multiply by whatever the bloat factor of the stego is
17:27 adlai concealment factor = bloat factor
17:27 adlai this is for broadcast. find your miner some other way
17:27 adlai anyway, it's an idea, stupid one at that... i have better ones to defend.
17:27 adlai better theorems to prove :)
17:27 ascii_rear incidentally usg is obsessed with image stego
17:27 ascii_rear (the hunt for, rather)
17:28 ascii_rear since the bush era, even
17:28 ascii_rear a boatload of folk are paid for, more or less, just this
17:28 mircea_popescu <adlai> notice how much mircea hates me... he scratches, he moans, he bleeds! but the thorn - remains. << dude stop being derpy. you're not the only or the first guy to have made or lost money on mpex. it has nothing to do with anything else.
17:29 * adlai is off to defend precisely this theorem, but not with words on IRC.
17:29 mircea_popescu you happen to be the sort of misfortunate fucktard that grew up among idiots rather than parents, and as a result are way too fixated on experimentally verifying this hierarchy thing and way too fascinated by the female "oh may gawd what if i sell myself short".
17:30 mircea_popescu forget the stupid shit, you're just some nobody that'll soon die, just like everyone else. you have no intrinsic value or importance, just like everyone else. you have no opportunities, you have no chances, there's nothing to manage. go do something useful already.
17:30 adlai how exactly am I shorting myself?
17:30 ascii_rear incidentally does adlai behave like this in the .il army ?
17:30 ascii_rear what happens to a fella who 'experimentally verifies hierarchy' there
17:30 mircea_popescu so much fucking packaging and meta-packaging for, in the end, ~ a hundred pounds of organic turd.
17:31 adlai ascii_rear: you can ask my superiors, who incidentally are all on their way to various CS degrees, and periodically ping me (not meni,and not mircea)with their dumb questions about bitcoin... someday maybe they'll even show up here.
17:31 mircea_popescu well he did get kicked out didn't he ? or what was the story ?
17:31 adlai different hierarchy.
17:31 ascii_rear i don't recall adlai getting drummed out
17:32 * adlai is not a fan of directed acyclic graphs, where humans are concerned... age has improved his patience, but teen-adlai was really bad at this
17:33 adlai ascii_rear: apparently the MPIA got hold of my diploma
17:33 ascii_rear l0l wut
17:33 adlai exactly, there is none (the latter, that is)
17:33 * adlai blames it on the parents, because that's what mircea_popescu said!
17:34 ascii_rear max planck institute for astronomy ?!!
17:34 adlai freenode academy for crackpot shillery.
17:35 mircea_popescu captive in this "let's go out" "omaigerd i have so many questions and stuff i gotta say about it and and" "nevermind" "WAIT WAIT HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT TO ME!11" bullshit 16yo females are supposed to have outgrown.
17:35 ascii_rear i thought it was just logorrhea
17:36 mircea_popescu seems well structured to my eyes, in this cyclic pattern.
17:36 mircea_popescu guy gotta defend his bower, because totally, we're collecting blue items over here, that's what we're doing.
17:37 ascii_rear i see this mainly among folk who never learned to interact with their environment in a mechanical way, and are stuck playing strictly by talking to people
17:37 ascii_rear but adlai is a literate fella and seemingly oughta know better
17:37 ascii_rear ergo i recommend less dope, perhaps
17:37 mircea_popescu literacy is no defense against stupidity.
17:38 mircea_popescu that's the thing. education is mere power. stupidity is drive. the two have almost nothing in common.
17:38 ascii_rear there is organic stupidity; there is also the exogenous kind
17:39 mircea_popescu anyway, perhaps because i've broken the stupid in too many slavegirls, or perhaps for whatever other reason, but the pattern's obvious to me. guy gets a shot at working on mpex, blows it, out of dedication to protecting a certain identity flaw. has shot at b-a voice, blows it, out of same. will continue to blow everything in same manner for same reason indefinitely.
17:39 adlai there is also miscommunication, exacerbated by the limitations of ascii (give or take a unicode page)
17:39 mircea_popescu yes, there is also miscommunication. like you know, exactly how noise on the channel breaks the jitterbug.
17:40 * adlai shorted his identity to hell, that's not what he's defending...
17:40 ascii_rear i'm kinda curious what ~is~ adlai defending
17:41 adlai i'd put a youtube link to "ideas are bulletproof", but conjuring assbot is noisier than letting people google/recall for themselves.
17:41 ascii_rear my understanding is that he suffered from general-purpose depression on account of not being mircea_popescu - something that happens to most folks here periodically
17:42 mircea_popescu eh that's just plain silly.
17:43 ascii_rear well for a long time he posted interesting lispisms, etc. and then it was suddenly... Vexual
17:43 * adlai wishes it were that simple, the solution for such is even in the logs! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-12-2015#1348638
17:43 assbot Logged on 20-12-2015 19:04:29; asciilifeform: 'every morning, when you wake up, look in the mirror; if you notice that you are not a mircea_popescu,
17:43 adlai perhaps "depression" or "vexual" are not as monochrome as prices on a ticker.
17:44 ascii_rear adlai: shorthand for 'nobody can make sense of wtf this fella is on about'
17:44 ascii_rear fwiw i normally try
17:44 adlai (nor "dope", but that really is too long a story, and resides "in another castle")
17:44 ascii_rear i even (be astonished!) talk to vexual.
17:45 ascii_rear if cats could speak, i would speak to cats.
17:45 ascii_rear (but not homo redditicus.)
17:45 * adlai has Come To Expect (tm) that nobody here shares any of the context which he relies upon, and henceforth [tries] to say pure signal, supported by maximal context, devoid of humor... it's less fun but let's give it a try
17:45 ascii_rear idk i like to think that i grasp some of this context
17:45 mircea_popescu adlai may also be the first humorless jew i ever saw.
17:45 adlai so say we all.
17:49 adlai to trivialize the bulletproof idea which survives[1] long after i'm devoiced, whether by shifting social fashion, failed trades, or failed biology: ((though we might see Bitcoin cease to Exist before any human shows up to defend it))
17:50 ascii_rear adlai: which idea ?
17:50 ascii_rear can we have the idea plox?
17:51 adlai Markets -- while -EV for animals, idiots, and the tone-deaf -- are positive-sum for people who play in tune.
17:51 ascii_rear adlai: this is an old idea, among, e.g., poker players
17:52 * adlai is not talking about 'manipulation', which doesn't exist anyway... that's a fiat fiction
17:52 ascii_rear unless i misunderstand
17:52 ascii_rear (unrelatedly, http://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/25/601b55e7-2c2b-11e4-9e6a-00505685119a/resize/1170x878/39572d42055bb7343015774fcf00cb2d/r-blue.png )
17:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/22Bdna3 )
17:52 mircea_popescu new york right ?
17:52 adlai hmm. honestly, i'm not enough of a poker player to tell (see what i did there?) how this extends to card games.
17:52 ascii_rear ( and http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/25/5f3c948f-2c2b-11e4-9e6a-00505685119a/resize/1170x878/1c2cc75d58a9792e63174cd81357265a/n-875f510b0d515f7f42077a1bde7c4ccd.jpg )
17:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/22BdnHi )
17:52 * adlai is talking about markets where people trade one thing for another, and some people try to arbitrage across time or space
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77304 @ 0.00049595 = 38.3389 BTC [+] {2}
17:53 adlai among fiat finance professionals, voicing this idea invariably results in devoicing.
17:53 ascii_rear well sure. market moves money from 'stupid pockets' to 'smart pockets'
17:53 mircea_popescu this is a common delusion of the young. you will notice, nevertheless, that in general funds underperform.
17:54 mircea_popescu market has its own definition of stupid and it's never socially palatable.
17:54 ascii_rear no shit
17:54 * adlai points back to the key word: 'trivialize'
17:54 adlai this is a blog post, dissertation, or life's work... not ten hundred words on irc.
17:55 thestringpuller when did bitcoin-assets become shark tank?
17:55 adlai !up ascii_rear
17:56 adlai ascii_rear: please prefix porn with "in other news", i almost didn't click!
17:57 ascii_rear l0l
17:57 ascii_rear have some moar, http://www.lowpoly.com/keyboard/tipro_staggered_800.jpg
17:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/22BdF0T )
17:57 adlai somehow, chix with dix doesn't cut it for me
17:58 ascii_rear moar still, http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f64/keyboards-at-teknisk-museum-dansk-t11407.html
17:58 assbot [Photos & video] Keyboards at Teknisk Museum Dansk • deskthority ... ( http://bit.ly/22BdH8I )
17:59 ascii_rear (the standard among connoisseurs appears to be - keyboard you can break a skull with. but i say you oughta be able to break a DOOR)
17:59 adlai ascii_rear: so, re:poker... my guess is that once i'm more familiar with poker, and know how to Win(tm) at it, i'd analogize "positive-sum poker" to penny stock games pretty much 1:1
17:59 ascii_rear and it shouldn't take more than 1-2 blows
17:59 adlai but i lack experience in both fields to make a stronger statement.
17:59 ascii_rear adlai: there are no 'positive-sum' things on planet3, you gotta burn something (or push somebody out of a sunbeam) to run
17:59 adlai but they're all positive-sum, because "feel like a trader"
18:00 adlai the planet as a whole is positive sum, except for brief instances that give enough of an artistic experience that they're worth more than the sunlight they obscure
18:00 * ascii_rear bbl
18:02 * adlai wonders what the "SLUT XXX" key does... `!s "other news"` perhaps?
18:03 adlai ( https://i.imgur.com/GaI8mdC.jpg courtesy of asciilifeform's last link)
18:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/22Be4QK )
18:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00049562 = 14.5464 BTC [-] {2}
18:20 shinohai http://trannyart.us/images/tranny-art-6.jpg /me thought this was ur gurl http://trannyart.us/images/tranny-art-6.jpg
18:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/22BfydR )
18:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/22BfydR )
18:20 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357842
18:20 assbot Logged on 31-12-2015 22:57:51; adlai: somehow, chix with dix doesn't cut it for me
18:20 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: b-a became shark tank around the time kevin o'leary left cbc's dragon's den :P
18:21 pete_dushenski !rated mod6
18:21 assbot You have not rated mod6.
18:22 pete_dushenski !rate 3 mod6 co-chair of trbf. gentleman.
18:22 assbot 3 is not registered in WoT.
18:22 pete_dushenski !rate mod6 3 co-chair of trbf. gentleman.
18:22 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/49feb75b92cbe172
18:23 pete_dushenski !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mod6.3:ecaf0cac8db3e64cbde65c7cae7c4bdd755719b7604214178db50f9ae402f346
18:23 assbot Successfully added a rating of 3 for mod6 with note: co-chair of trbf. gentleman.
18:24 * adlai revives-by-mention the thread about "wot poker", wondering what the purpose / whence the pleasure of poker-over-plaintext... most importantly, what tells!?
18:26 adlai for the purposes of this discussion, anything webby/graphic short of a pgp-signed livestream is roughly equivalent to plaintext
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00049562 = 14.7695 BTC [-]
18:35 danielpbarron WoT poker just needs to be like Eulora, in that they only way to play is by first being in the WoT
18:36 danielpbarron adlai> what's the least you'd be willing to pay for an mpex shuffle generator? << 10k coppers
18:37 * adlai only accepts satoshis (or finished product produced by expenditure of time, cutting out the middleman codeslinger), but apparently there are brokers around
18:38 ben_vulpes good day, tourists
18:38 danielpbarron coppers can be turned into satoshi, although it's not really worth making a transaction over 0.0001 worth
18:38 adlai still, even for people you know personally. isn't computerized interaction too low-dimensional to allow for interesting leakage in a poker game?
18:38 danielpbarron i don't understand the question
18:39 ben_vulpes more relevantly to the problem, how would a webpoker designer address collusion?
18:39 danielpbarron WoT addresses collusion
18:39 danielpbarron poker designer just needs to serve up well shuffled cards and move the chips around
18:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00049938 = 4.7441 BTC [+] {2}
18:39 danielpbarron players can sniff out cheaters
18:40 ben_vulpes and how to arbitrate?
18:40 ben_vulpes "danielpbarron sez ur cheeting, out witcha"?
18:41 danielpbarron more like, "i think you're cheating, so i won't sit at any tables with you"
18:41 danielpbarron and make public note via assbot
18:45 * ben_vulpes can dig
18:45 * adlai is not talking about collusion, but the reason people play poker to begin with: to feel like a poker player (leaving aside the money aspect)
18:46 adlai "most" poker players will lose money, and that's fine. but the few that win it, will have no noobs to fleece, if nobody shows up after a couple games.
18:48 danielpbarron there is plenty of online poker going on, it just isn't in a WoT
18:48 mod6 hey thank's pete_dushenski
18:48 mod6 *thanks
18:48 mod6 which reminds me... i gotta update my wot ratings one of these days.
18:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00049945 = 6.9174 BTC [+] {2}
18:50 ben_vulpes adlai: d'you intend to do something about the snr complaints?
18:53 pete_dushenski mod6: my pleasure. thank you as well :)
18:53 ben_vulpes ;;later tell asciilifeform subkeys ruining someone's day?
18:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:56 phf hehe, gall looks pretty fucked up in that video
18:57 adlai ben_vulpes: no, i have a death wish and can't translate sarcasm into text.
18:57 * adlai may be noisy at times, but he's not an idiot.
18:59 adlai danielpbarron: do you think online poker's target market overlaps this WoT? i'm trying to guage viability... plaintext WoT poker is a weekend project, for me or any lurker looking for one.
19:00 mod6 happy new year tmsr~
19:00 adlai ben_vulpes: so, see, that's a tricky question. some people have told me that small offers are noise, and i intend to do roughly zero to address that complaint, because mpex accepts them, so they're signal. if you're asking about psychobabble - of course, although i'll use my judgement, which has been known to differ from that of other people.
19:01 adlai damnit mod6, isn't that a fiat thing? someday trb should fix the calendar, too
19:02 adlai but thank you for reminding me:
19:05 mod6 well, time doesn't matter.. it's in the logs.
19:07 ben_vulpes adlai: i dun much care one way or t'other, but if you don't want to get null-routed you're going to have to give more of a shit about how the other people here judge your 'psychobabble'.
19:08 ben_vulpes you know where the void is, and the invitation to scream into it probably won't close any time soon.
19:08 ben_vulpes hail satan, smoke meth, write c etc.
19:11 * adlai cat >/dev/random
19:17 adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1SFFJ0D.txt
19:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NY6kyD )
19:17 deedbot- accepted: 1
19:18 * adlai pushes to the blog-stack: "Version String Malleability Considered Harmful"
19:21 shinohai Happy New Year ben_vulpes o/
19:21 ben_vulpes hola shinohai
19:21 shinohai Qye hay de bueno? >.>
19:22 ben_vulpes nada.
19:22 ben_vulpes all is void
19:23 pete_dushenski i'm off for the evening. happy 2016 b-a !!!
19:23 shinohai o/ pete_dushenski enjoy your trb node!
19:23 adlai congratulations pete_dushenski !
19:25 ben_vulpes http://bikeportland.org/2015/12/30/activists-place-traffic-cones-to-improve-safety-of-bike-lane-along-new-orange-line-max-171493 << cascadians taking road rules into their own hands
19:25 assbot Activists use traffic cones to improve safety of bike lane along new Orange Line MAX - BikePortland.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1mU0urn )
19:26 shinohai @ ben_vulpes when you have time some evening I have a very crude bash script I would like you to help me improve.
19:27 ben_vulpes gpg-gram and paste it to me, i'll get to it eventually
19:28 shinohai kk
19:29 ben_vulpes may as well just gpg-gram it to everyone in l2, who knows if someone else might get to code review before me
19:29 * ben_vulpes amazed to be doing this in b-a now
19:29 ben_vulpes fwiw the rules are simple
19:29 ben_vulpes set -xeu
19:29 ben_vulpes jam discrete bits of side-effect into functions
19:30 * adlai knows bash better than he'd like, would rather have ben_vulpes fix it
19:30 ben_vulpes pass args to functions for anything that might change ever
19:30 adlai isn't this why satoshi spent two years funemployed? so ben_vulpes could have some coin again?
19:31 ben_vulpes for big bash shit (heaven help you) have a single file with the project functions exported, and smaller scripts that import that file and then call the relevant functions
19:31 ben_vulpes shinohai: savvy?
19:32 * ben_vulpes lives in usa, will likely never own coin
19:32 shinohai I like small, so I prefer bash whenever possible.
19:32 ben_vulpes shinohai: anyways i have some time right now so choppa choppa
19:33 shinohai I'm drinking so it may take me a minute to gpg
19:33 ben_vulpes if its onerous skip it
19:33 shinohai I assure you it isn't anything worth all that lol
19:34 ben_vulpes well then skip it
19:34 ben_vulpes https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/30/really-rich-people-are-suddenly-paying-quite-a-bit-more-in-taxes/ << http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4tk8aP0s1qdpcoso1_1280.png
19:34 assbot Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more in taxes - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NY7ABE )
19:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NY7ABO )
19:35 * adlai loves this "I don't own any BTC"-poker... if your paranoia is that bad, you should expatriate.
19:37 adlai (it happens in zion as well, meni is the only guy who owns any btc and everybody else is starving for donations and 'investment' in their shartups)
19:37 ben_vulpes terrorist, extirpate thyself
19:41 mats hes in wot, can buy whenever he pleases
19:43 adlai meni!?
19:44 adlai meni has a) meatwot probably larger than this place ever got (though who knows what the future may hold), and b) no need to ever buy anymore, these days he only sells, or loses them over a game of chess
19:51 mats idk who meni is -- am talking about ben_vulpes
19:52 adlai the main problem with buying btc is not whence, but s/ce//
20:01 ben_vulpes if you're long and have regular income, dollar-cost-averaging isn't the worst thing in the world.
20:01 ben_vulpes of course one misses out on all the traderfeelz
20:07 * adlai raises the SNR a little, by "leaking" the address of the local 'bitembassy's ATM: 1DdfiZffjxNypZ6NbLuMP3w84vfzXfxiqc
20:08 adlai lots of DCAs stick a few bills there every week... and a bunch of suspicious types show up with QR code photos to buy obscene amounts with some lame story about online poker
20:09 ben_vulpes what, it only has one?
20:09 ben_vulpes is that its send-from or send-to?
20:11 adlai both. it gets funded periodically, and drains itself down. hot wallets ftw
20:12 adlai (it's a one-way Lamassu, eats bills in return for a QR)
20:20 danielpbarron adlai> danielpbarron: do you think online poker's target market overlaps this WoT? << I think it might be fun to play poker in Eulora, in a casino built brick by brick by noob labor
20:22 shinohai $up TRS80_
20:22 shinohai $game
20:22 shinohai !up TRS80_
20:22 shinohai $game
20:22 TRS80_ shinohai: Donate:1uckyHF7bPLqMhdv3yPtqRu7wE4HrCsaZ, The unique hash for this game is, d4673f586242f70f12e08572c531ff3ad7c572601a64f47123a7a3e213efcada -, Minimum bet is (1 mBTC). Good Luck!, [ 2 ❤ ] , [ 2 ♠ ] , [ J ♣ ] , [ Q ♠ ] , [ T ❤ ] , Rank for your hand is: 6066, Dealing a new hand..., The board:, [ A ♠ ] , [ 6 ♣ ] , [ 2 ♠ ] , [ A ♦ ] , [ Q ♠ ] , Player 1's cards:, [ 8 ♠ ] , [ T ❤ (2 more messages)
20:22 shinohai $part
20:22 adlai !rated shinohai
20:22 assbot You rated user shinohai on 31-Dec-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: don't hae the player, hae the gae... and don't ever let'em catch you slippin'..
20:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52443 @ 0.00049955 = 26.1979 BTC [+] {2}
20:23 * adlai awaits S.POKE
20:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 208857 @ 0.00049515 = 103.4155 BTC [-] {7}
20:35 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000188.html
20:35 assbot [BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZDOsAp )
~ 35 minutes ~
21:10 mod6 ;;bc,stat
21:10 gribble Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
21:10 mod6 ;;bc,stats
21:10 gribble Current Blocks: 391196 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
21:13 mod6 ;;ticker
21:13 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.3, Best ask: 429.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 429.45, 24 hour volume: 20264.31002025, 24 hour low: 412.5, 24 hour high: 432.59, 24 hour vwap: None
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21:36 mats http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=23c_1451561257
21:36 assbot LiveLeak.com - Extraordinary FSA special forces training ... ( http://bit.ly/1mmYc3V )
21:36 mats 'extraordinary'
21:38 shinohai Adobe Flash lel
21:44 mats chromium loads as html5 vidya
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131520 @ 0.00050342 = 66.2098 BTC [+] {3}
21:55 shinohai Last time I tried chromium it was memory hog
~ 23 minutes ~
22:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58908 @ 0.00050633 = 29.8269 BTC [+] {3}
22:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00050934 = 13.5994 BTC [+] {2}
22:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00050935 = 16.5539 BTC [+]
~ 16 minutes ~
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12411 @ 0.00050935 = 6.3215 BTC [+]
22:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24389 @ 0.00051016 = 12.4423 BTC [+]
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23:19 PeterL Happy New Year!
23:21 shinohai Happy New Year PeterL o/
23:21 PeterL Spartans are sucking at handegg today, bleh.
23:21 shinohai >.<
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23:45 BingoBoingo deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/256EX4X.txt
23:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU2z3f )
23:45 deedbot- accepted: 1
23:45 deedbot- [Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2015 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2015-report/
23:48 BingoBoingo Peter_L At least they got this much handegg
23:48 BingoBoingo Roll Tide!
23:49 PeterL does deedbot accept wotpaste, or only dpaste?
23:49 PeterL Why is the Tide's mascot an elephant?
23:50 BingoBoingo Wotpaste is experimental so gotta ask trinque and ben_vulpes
23:50 BingoBoingo I have no idea why they are an elephant
23:54 PeterL The silliest mascot is Stanford's, my wife calls it "the happy dancing christmas tree"
23:55 trinque deedbot accepts whateverpaste from people he likes
23:55 PeterL deedbot-: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/019d9371-aa7b-41b1-8fb9-ad5266a1a7fa/?raw=true
23:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjhVfk )
23:55 deedbot- Bad URL or network outage.
23:56 PeterL maybe he doesn't like me?
23:56 trinque :|
23:56 trinque well. the shit isn't signed, broham.
23:56 PeterL meh, right
23:56 BingoBoingo Peter_L I like the story of the Illinois mascot, because it ends with him being murdered
23:57 PeterL I have to hear this story now?
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