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00:11 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349015 << you know that was kinda why i did the whole libc investigation, recall ?
00:11 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 00:03:55; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey!
00:13 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349020 << i'd like to actually press a cd. with the understanding that everything that will ever happen to the reference implementation, incl. compiler, asm, the whole toolchain shebang, all kernels worth looking at from the past, all trb dependencies, etc. WILL BE ON IT
00:13 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 00:06:59; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pressing of cd was perhaps the ONE good idea in openbsd <<< certainly not a bad one.
00:13 asciilifeform and everything that will ever come later in re: trb, will be vpatches on top of the contents of that cd.
00:15 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349033 << 'programmers get off on complexity the way weight lifters get off on weight'
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00:15 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 00:27:34; mircea_popescu: nobody cares to look at the root causes. "hey derps ? you're being as inefficient as humanly possible" "well of course, any other course would be an economic disaster" "your idea of economy is like a rat's idea of hygiene : the more sewers the better" "so ?"
00:16 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349036 << hermaphrodite ?
00:16 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 00:35:24; mircea_popescu: and in anatomy class news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdselsxkRs1rqpz2lo1_r1_500.gif
00:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349039 << closest thing i know of to this is that ru ministry where they installed typewriters last year
00:17 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 00:39:32; ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
00:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349086 << see the thread from 2 wks ago re: benchmarks and intel's 20 year record of elaborate fraud
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00:23 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 03:43:36; BingoBoingo: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1131
00:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349091 << not only no opteron, but the benchmark itself is gimmicked - use of magical intel instructions
00:24 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 04:05:49; punkman: but no opteron?
00:25 punkman for the post-mortem files http://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/alma-lawsuit
00:25 assbot The Real Story Of Why One Of LA's Best Restaurants Is In Trouble - BuzzFeed News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pft3Zm )
00:25 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349099 << there are NO programming problems which merit a million lines of c. FOR THE SAME REASON as there are no architectural problems which merit a megatonne of tongue depressors.
00:25 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 04:33:15; punkman: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
00:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349056 << l0l, iirc this was the self-proclaimed (!) biography of ninjashogun
00:28 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: THEN when that boring shit goes nowhere, he convinces some misfortunate borderlines to... go live in thailand! because totally, shit'll make sense there.
00:30 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349114 << Aha. Yes, just this was the first time I saw such fraud on crypto benchmark other than AES
00:30 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 05:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349086 << see the thread from 2 wks ago re: benchmarks and intel's 20 year record of elaborate fraud
00:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: benchmark fraud is precisely as old as benchmarks and is pestilentially pervasive
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00:31 asciilifeform to the point of total unsurprise
00:32 BingoBoingo Sure, just never paid attention or just never run into this benchmark used
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01:11 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2015#1344231 and the resultant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344736
01:11 assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 06:00:51; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://archive.is/L2CGe
01:11 assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 19:09:17; assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for coblee with note: plagiarist. shill.
01:14 pete_dushenski Nassim Nicholas Taleb: "Another piece of advice. Use an office only when it is strictly necessary. An office dulls the mind, invites cosmetic and circular work, and allows metastatic projects to take over."
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01:14 pete_dushenski George Yazbeck: "This assumes people have a choice or work as private independent contractors. We're not all famous authors...."
01:14 pete_dushenski Nassim Nicholas Taleb: ""We're not all famous authors". This is a type of smart ass easy comment only a bitter loser makes. In addition, it has a logical fallacy. Did it hit you that I have only been a "famous author" part of my life? Did it also hit you that it also applies to employment in general?"
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01:15 pete_dushenski ^sounds awfully familiar
01:15 pete_dushenski for anyone who reads the #b-a logs
01:17 punkman http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/263836-paul-nobody-read-the-11-trillion-omnibus-bill
01:17 assbot Paul: Nobody read the $1.1 trillion omnibus bill | TheHill ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEh4aZ )
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00048492 = 15.275 BTC [-] {2}
01:23 trinque were there bills they read?
01:23 pete_dushenski ;;later tell mircea_popescu: but what if i took being excommunicated as a badge of merit and distinction ? please, tell me what i have to do to 'go spinoza' or 'go galileo' ;)
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01:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:25 punkman chukha writer, not reader
01:25 pete_dushenski besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd
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01:26 pete_dushenski sorry, trb sans glibc on netbsd, to be more precise
01:39 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Works in progress tend to stay in the logs and occasionally get buried there
01:40 pete_dushenski this being the trb progress ?
01:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00048919 = 15.3361 BTC [+] {3}
01:47 pete_dushenski http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/food-inflation-november-1.3371284 << see comments : canadians are none too pleased when their panem gets pricier. "we wunt moar cheep meet nao !"
01:47 assbot Inflation rate jumps to 1.4% in November on higher food costs - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEkw5r )
01:47 pete_dushenski though the number of people who rightly call out the cpi scam is worthy of some mention.
01:50 pete_dushenski i'd be curious to know (and so will endeavour to find out) if there were as many people calling "bullshit" in the late 70s and early 80s when reported inflation was ~10% and loan rates for cars and houses were 20-25%
01:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7288 @ 0.00049002 = 3.5713 BTC [+] {2}
01:54 pete_dushenski even without the internet, you'd figure that there would still be huge swathes of the population (those with brains, pen, and paper) that can figure out that "10% inflation" shouldn't yield a doubling in food prices every 3 years, as we've essentially seen in the last 3 years with only a reported inflation of "under 2%"
01:55 pete_dushenski anyways, looks like the canadians, like americans, are en route to becoming the africans they've so long wished to join.
01:55 pete_dushenski or at least the poor slavic farmers their great-grandparents were back in the old country.
01:57 pete_dushenski (western canada aka the prairies aka the breadbasket of the country has very large ukr, ru, and pl populations)
01:57 pete_dushenski most of whom came here either 100 years ago or 25 years ago.
02:10 BingoBoingo sure trb progress
02:14 pete_dushenski well ya
02:15 pete_dushenski b-a is ground zero for trb-dev
02:15 pete_dushenski and thank god it's only part of b-a because the trb-dev stuff is waywaywayway over my head
02:17 pete_dushenski like so far over my head that i barely have a thread to pull at in sometimes hundreds of consecutive lines
02:23 ben_vulpes funny, it's like 90% of why i'm even here
02:25 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: As penance you should fire up a trb node to test the new version string patch
02:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049158 = 6.5134 BTC [+] {3}
02:27 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWs95AOWIAA411g.jpg:large
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02:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YvgCet )
02:30 pete_dushenski https://www.flexport.com/blog/why-dole-owns-container-ships/ << one for ben_vulpes
02:30 assbot Why Should Dole Own Container Ships? | Flexport ... ( http://bit.ly/1YvgRGe )
02:35 pete_dushenski http://i.imgur.com/8JdtDmC.jpg << heh.
02:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Qjfr )
02:41 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmqAjr0xs04 this guy
02:41 assbot Steve Harvey Announces The WRONG Winner of Miss Universe 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3R1th )
02:42 pete_dushenski i call intentional marketing ploy
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02:42 punkman yeah I guess a lot more of this, very viral, such wow
02:43 pete_dushenski specifically in the vein of http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/03/meta-metastasis-or-how-a-dancing-shark-jumped-the-shark/
02:43 assbot Meta-metastasis, or how a dancing shark jumped the shark. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3RdZn )
02:43 pete_dushenski "omg did you see that silly fuck-up? haha it was totes cray!"
02:44 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/64TVH
02:44 assbot What we learned about SSDs in 2015 | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3RnQz )
02:47 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b52
02:49 * pete_dushenski to bed.
02:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00049197 = 10.7003 BTC [+]
02:57 punkman https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3xksss/coinbase_bans_me_after_i_help_them_fix_major/cy5t83p
02:57 assbot coblee comments on Coinbase Bans me After i Help them fix major Exploit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yvj1Wr )
02:57 BingoBoingo "I believe that soft-fork segwit can help us out of this deadlock and get us going again." - A Negative https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012090.html
02:57 assbot [bitcoin-dev] Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yvj3xE )
03:01 BingoBoingo Other derp: In other words, would a deployment of SW involve the creation of new
03:01 BingoBoingo network message for relaying fraud proofs, a specification that SPV wallet developers can use to validate these messages and so know when to ignore the highest (but invalid) PoW chain...
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03:04 punkman any idea wtf are fraud proofs?
03:04 BingoBoingo I'm more worried about the last six words
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03:07 BingoBoingo in other coprophlology https://archive.is/amKgQ
03:07 assbot [bitcoin-dev] A new payment address format for segregated witness or not? ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3U3Ob )
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03:12 ben_vulpes highest but invalid pow chain?
03:13 ben_vulpes i guess we don't need baby jebus to save the britneychain if the linux foundation's going to fork the phr33 w0rld off it
03:15 ben_vulpes in other news the incal's a not bad romp
03:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00049241 = 13.0981 BTC [+] {3}
03:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00048789 = 2.5614 BTC [-] {2}
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04:04 BingoBoingo And then there were 4 https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99
04:04 assbot Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )
04:07 BingoBoingo Also does is anyone else peristently maintaining many more bitcoin connections then they were when the XT spamnodes flooded? Went from 12-19 range to 24-38 range
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04:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo 100ish is normal for a nonshit node
04:08 punkman http://40.media.tumblr.com/17f6ddd25f483911f38a960448154790/tumblr_mzajhneDNl1rndm2ho1_1280.jpg 4
04:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEB1yg )
04:09 mircea_popescu (ie the sort of thing we run, with its own actual dedicated server, ip, etc. aws instances and similar cloudcrud are more in the dozen range)
04:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Limited pipe gets allocated here. This is cow country.
04:09 mircea_popescu bandwidth is strangely not a problem per se.
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04:11 BingoBoingo Lots of things "aren't really problems" until they are
04:11 BingoBoingo This is basically Africa but with anti-famine
04:12 mircea_popescu heh
04:13 mircea_popescu "their independent 39-seat restaurant in downtown Los Angeles that was a hit in the national food press "
04:13 mircea_popescu motherfucker.... what the fuck is wrong with people ?
04:13 mircea_popescu 39 seats IS NOT A RESTAURANT.
04:14 BingoBoingo It's maybe a large diner
04:14 BingoBoingo Or small diner if freestanding and not a trailer
04:15 mircea_popescu not even large. for the same reason a bike's not a bus, nor a fiddler an orchestra. a restaurant means, without exception, a chef, a sauce and a pasta sous, and at the very least 4 apprentice hands. that's 7 people in the kitchen doing the artwork. this is not counting the 3+ busboys, the 6 waiters and the maitre d'hotel in the salon, nor is it counting the people washing dishes, wiping the floors etc.
04:15 mircea_popescu YOU CAN NOT HAVE A RESTAURANT WITH FEWER SEATS THAN STAFF!
04:16 mircea_popescu not because it's inconceivable the shah of iran would pay enough to keep it in business. but because its minuscule size stupidifies it through "reflection off the boundries" effects.
04:16 BingoBoingo No a diner isn't a restaurant. It's one of those trailer things with one stove that barely works
04:16 mircea_popescu right.
04:16 BingoBoingo But 39 seats seems the right size for that
04:17 BingoBoingo Maybe 3-4 people working total
04:19 mircea_popescu which is a restaurant in the same sense two bums with no prior business experience and no technology knowledge are "a tech company".
04:19 BingoBoingo Right
04:19 BingoBoingo A crude form of XTraunt
04:21 mircea_popescu aymor was just an inexperienced but hardworking 26-year-old when he started Alma as a “pop-up concept” restaurant in early 2012, not long after eating a fateful piece of lamb that, the press has repeated, set him on the path to cooking.
04:21 mircea_popescu god damned...
04:23 BingoBoingo Now that one is clearly a carnival vendor, not a restaurant
04:23 mircea_popescu what the fuck is with these schmucks, "asking for community help" to keep a luxury restaurant afloat ?
04:23 mircea_popescu it's just...
04:23 punkman "Fortunately for us, we’ve had everyone say everything that you can possibly think of about our food, so we are past the point where we need the validation from anybody. I could give a fuck at this point, and we are just happy to try Alma again in the form of a three-month-residency at The Standard hotel in West Hollywood, whether it is critically acclaimed or not."
04:23 mircea_popescu so kickstarter's everyone's mom now amirite.
04:24 mircea_popescu heh, o look at that. they tried and so therefore nobody can criticize them!
04:24 * mircea_popescu braces himself for a flood of young adults with self-reported "experiences" and "validation", and the ensuing tidal wave of women ready to shoot them
04:25 mircea_popescu anyway. maybe time for kickstarter jokes. "yo kickstarter's so fat it wears the css on its javascript!"
04:26 BingoBoingo In other news the Obeast messiah Tess Monster has announced her surrender to FPH using her real name social media accounts https://i.sli.mg/738TTX.jpg
04:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZbr52 )
04:26 BingoBoingo Celebration at https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/737437
04:26 assbot In which Tess demands white knights. | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZbu0T )
04:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349126 << "1. why have a benchmark if you're not trying to tell a story ? 2. why tell a story if you're not making a buck from the telling ?"
04:26 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 05:31:48; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: benchmark fraud is precisely as old as benchmarks and is pestilentially pervasive
04:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so scammer gets called out on history of scamming, proceeds to delete all that he can. fattardstalk.org ftw, but what's the relation to pres. bahamas ?
04:29 BingoBoingo Relationship to Bahamas is jsut this past week People and the other supermarket Mass Ragazines were running pieces in defense of her. Actually though she's being hung out to dry now by the cows she scammed
04:29 BingoBoingo Wait, what is the Mayo pronoun?
04:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349132 << the latter two should be the first. an office for work is like a strip club for sex.
04:29 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 06:14:11; pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: "Another piece of advice. Use an office only when it is strictly necessary. An office dulls the mind, invites cosmetic and circular work, and allows metastatic projects to take over."
04:30 mircea_popescu specifically : if the strip club actually provides advantages to you, that is a sign of your sexual dysfunction(s). same thing with an office :
04:30 mircea_popescu if you can't keep a schedule if you don't have an office, your problems are the adolescentine irresponsibility, not the lack of an office. fix the problem, as it's an absolute bar to being a businessman ANYWAY, office or no office.
04:30 mircea_popescu all other perceived advantages flow exactly the same way.
04:31 mircea_popescu the only time an office is unavoidable is when/IF (and that's a big if) you're actually dedicating your time to squeezing useful work out of lazy stupid drones.
04:31 mircea_popescu i don't advise any man to take this course, but recognize that well... cattle ranching is in point of fact a legitimate line of work, and you don't always get the choices you want.
04:33 mircea_popescu (this happens to be why the government is the largest office consumer.)
04:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349141 << heh, things are only ever that clearly cut a) in retrospect and b) when discussing a cult. such as the catholic church. neither a or b applies here, and so... who's to know ?
04:35 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 06:23:04; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: but what if i took being excommunicated as a badge of merit and distinction ? please, tell me what i have to do to 'go spinoza' or 'go galileo' ;)
04:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36876 @ 0.00048645 = 17.9383 BTC [-] {3}
04:39 * BingoBoingo pretty sure going "Spinoza" requires beginning from a place of tedium
04:42 mircea_popescu heh im writing a novel here brb.
04:53 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
04:54 mircea_popescu here we go
04:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349144 << this is an interestingly mixed bag.
04:54 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 06:25:36; pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd
04:54 mircea_popescu on one hand, the "dominion" approach to thinking isn't particularly useful here, because all it does is provide the limiting (the disadvantageous) part of setting boundries, without delivering any kind of protective (ie, advantageous) offset. Specifically how boundries work is, suppose you have two kids, Amy aged 7 and Adam aged 6. If you set a boundry such as "Adam, never hit Amy!" you are in fact limiting Adam's natu
04:54 mircea_popescu ral agressivity, which will make him less of an Adam, but in exchange you're protecting Amy's identity, which will make her more of an Amy. The argument as to whether this is a good idea or a bad idea hinges on how you value the part of Adam that's lost and the part of Amy that's saved - because yes, wherever spheres touch something's gonna get flattened, that's unavoidable - but in any case an argument can always be b
04:54 mircea_popescu rought and disposed of (either accepting it or rejecting it) because both sides are present. Conversely, if you set a boundry for Amy in the terms of "don't try and think honey, that's for men, just sit there and be pretty" she might listen, especially at 7, but you've set a boundry for her that has no upside. "Men" doesn't even exist per se. So this isn't an argument that can be considered, it only has one side to it.
04:54 mircea_popescu To apply this to b-a affairs : it's not particularly useful to go "I'm not going to X because that's Y's dominion". For one thing, it's not terribly clear if this is even true (people are notoriously poor at communicating things this subtle, and consequently your love for Amy's not Amy's idea of your love for her, not ever, until the day you die). It is perfectly valid to go "i won't be telling X how to Y because Ying
04:54 mircea_popescu is X's thing", or in the more general "I'm not about to go into should mode - that's how you get hanged", but that's not so related.
04:54 mircea_popescu It's also perfectly valid to go "I'm not about to Y, seems X's going to do it and they're probably better than me / I don't want to duplicate the effort". Note however that this is an extremely tenuous argument : if it's true he's better than you then you probably should duplicate the effort - that's exactly the only avenue to learning, duplicating the effort of your betters. If it's the case you're better than him, od
04:55 mircea_popescu ds are you'll end up having to do it later anyway, and once you know this it's always better to do it at a time of choice than at a time of need. Obviously this leaves wide open the "well I just don't care so much about Ying", which is fine, with the caveat that as the reunion of Ys starts approaching the universe, you're getting closer and closer to the nagant ending.
04:55 mircea_popescu on the OTHER hand however, you have to understand biology works on drivers, and b-a is very much a natural system, so biology applies. the whole shebang is driven by need, if you go "I NEED X and Y and Z to be able to do K!" you may or may not get X, Y or Z, or maybe a response as to the usefullness of K, but in any case the b-a itself gains. If you recall a primary driver for historical activity was alf going "I want
04:55 mircea_popescu X so I can Y", for x=printable bitcoin and y=read in bed. He's not gotten it, at least not yet, but you can't say anyone's been the worse for the experience.
04:55 mircea_popescu Thinking in those terms, "Hey, TRB actually running on BSD as opposded to PRB sounds to me like it'd be huge, it must be made a point of public communication, I need datas to support me in discussing this with people, plox to help me here!" is a helluva lot more productive than "this is X's dominion". At the worst this will clarify that "nah, not really", at the best it'll help a lot of idiots understand why it nobody
04:55 mircea_popescu gives a shit about the PRB.
04:55 mircea_popescu 750 words, what's that eh.
04:57 BingoBoingo If only you had a trilema to put that in
04:57 mircea_popescu lol ironically, i wouldn't have.
04:57 mircea_popescu it's to date the largest reply i ever had to make in an irc conversation, but it is in fact a reply in an irc conversation.
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04:57 mircea_popescu some problems more verbose than others.
04:58 mircea_popescu !up nickeeem
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05:06 mircea_popescu !up kcud_dab
05:06 BingoBoingo !up STRML
05:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349167 << lulzy obit. odd that no BSDO mentioned.
05:06 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 07:27:38; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWs95AOWIAA411g.jpg:large
05:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349175 <<and you're probably right - trump & partners've been pretty desperate to promote that show where young women inexplicably expect to attract attention while keeping clothes on. seriously ? get with the kimes!
05:07 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 07:42:06; pete_dushenski: i call intentional marketing ploy
05:08 mircea_popescu full frontal nudity miss america or get off the cables.
05:09 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349167 << lulzy obit. odd that no BSDO mentioned. << Holy shit, how did I miss this in paper newspaper
05:09 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 07:27:38; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWs95AOWIAA411g.jpg:large
05:09 mircea_popescu "I won't comment on the account ban for privacy or regulatory reasons. But I can say that the ban has nothing to do with this person's hackerone reporting. And unfortunately, we cannot be more lenient on him just because he has previously helped us. The 2 issues are independent. And plus, the team that works with banning has no access or knowledge of the hackerone cases. This separation protects our customers' privacy."
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05:10 mircea_popescu what the fuck is all this fucktardation supposed to accomplish ?
05:10 mircea_popescu the FACT still is as the guy described. who the fuck cares what your internal functioning is like ? "regulatory reasons" are no reasons.
05:10 mircea_popescu if you promise me a banana and fail to deliver the banana as promised, whether this is related or unrelated, intentional or unintentional, for regulatory reasons or to protect the privacy, I'M SHORT A FUCKING BANANA.
05:11 mircea_popescu so i guess it's not merely "don't help coinbase, they'll fuck you up" as yesterday, but moreover, "don't help coinbase - they'll fuck you up and then display the unmitigated gall of pretending that it didn't happen, or if it did it shouldn't matter or if it does it has nothing to do wit hthem". herp.
05:12 mircea_popescu next time you have the opportunity to hurt coinbase - hurt coinbase. secure in the knowledge that you're not only hurting some 3rd removed assholes, but a whole system of evil.
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05:13 mircea_popescu (that said, this particular fellow couldn't actually hurt coinbase, which is exactly why he didn't. but anyway._
05:14 mircea_popescu in other news, "Shouldn’t we be surprised to learn that an importer owns and operates its own ships? It’s probably not the comparative advantage for even the largest importers. And here’s the thing: Dole isn’t one of the country’s top three importers of containerized cargo. Instead it’s the fifth, after Walmart, Target, Home Depot, and Lowe’s. But you won’t see boxes or ships owned by these companies. I
05:14 mircea_popescu nstead, they depend on carriers like Maersk, CMA CGM, and Evergreen to ship their freight."
05:14 mircea_popescu derps.
05:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12927 @ 0.00049334 = 6.3774 BTC [+]
05:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349192 << inching towards war. by now, it's inevitable.
05:18 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 08:04:49; BingoBoingo: I'm more worried about the last six words
05:19 mircea_popescu consumers chose to revolt, will be raped, perhaps they learn (fat chance).
05:20 BingoBoingo Stop being polite. The appropriate word selection is "Morbidly Obese Chance"
05:22 mircea_popescu lol @ that bitnodes.21.co thing not listing all my 0.6 nodes etc
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05:23 mircea_popescu herpitty derp, gotta get prb appear over irrelevancy no matter what.
05:23 BingoBoingo It'll list them if you change the version string
05:23 mircea_popescu why should i ?
05:23 mircea_popescu fuck em, whose job it is to list, theirs or mine ?
05:23 BingoBoingo No reason at all
05:23 BingoBoingo that list is just still fighting the move to 0.8 war it always has since it was born
05:23 mircea_popescu just pointing out that you know, "here's prb showing 35% (of 40% of the actual network)". which happens to be exactly the mtgox approach to lyf.
05:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo exactly.
05:24 mircea_popescu ohv, hetzner and amazon. heh.
05:24 BingoBoingo But the alf experiment of see how many nodes trb needs before being censored is worth at least two chuckles
05:25 mircea_popescu i guess yeah
05:26 BingoBoingo Because what non answer will the give for nodes using maxint versions being censored
05:27 mircea_popescu "it didn't happen, or if it did it shouldn't matter or if it does it has nothing to do wit them"
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05:27 mircea_popescu pretty much batting 100% as far as memory sees.
05:29 mircea_popescu did buffett have the audacity to claim no shorts could be found with millions riding against him in publicly visible ledger ? sure. ever fixed that ? no.
05:29 mircea_popescu did phuctor happen ? did msm derps steal off qntra ? etc.
05:30 mircea_popescu did the "well we wanted to do xt but mp nixed it so i guess no xt" comunique appear as the last entry on bitcoinxt ?
05:31 mircea_popescu soonish we'll need a dedicated index just to keep track of the various smackdowns we delivered.
05:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50989 @ 0.00048609 = 24.7852 BTC [-] {5}
05:39 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
05:39 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 438.45, vol: 23641.45647734 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 434.27, vol: 11346.57082 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 438.25, vol: 62541.61995173 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 0.2 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.487836, vol: 138361.54340000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 437.99, vol: 193.80572256 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.219971989, vol: 170.15857314 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
05:41 BingoBoingo ;;more
05:41 gribble 446.421248884
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05:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049333 = 3.6013 BTC [+] {2}
05:59 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/LElDU << Why reddit can't ever bitcoin
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05:59 assbot TIFU by giving up my wife's parents to the Feds : tifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfROEL )
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00049334 = 34.6818 BTC [+]
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07:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00049334 = 5.7227 BTC [+]
07:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00048508 = 8.8527 BTC [-] {2}
07:52 punkman "SPV clients can connect to multiple full nodes in the hope that at least one of the nodes is honest and will provide them with the best valid chain, however situations may arise where the non-compliant chain contains more proof of work than the compliant chain. In this situation, there is no way for the honest full node to signal to an SPV client that it should disregard the chain with more
07:52 punkman proof of work. Fraud proofs are a technique which provide honest full nodes the capability to conclusively demonstrate that chain is invalid regardless of the amount of proof of work backing the invalid chain."
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08:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.0004848 = 26.5186 BTC [-] {3}
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09:03 shinohai https://ryanxcharlestimes.com/10-gb-blocks-e7ed69e54a66#.wez1ap2lb <<<fucking hilarious, now after all that hard work changing 1 variable rewrite in your precious javascript.
09:03 assbot 10 GB Blocks — Ryan X. Charles Times — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OhGFQv )
09:05 mircea_popescu punkman aka "we want to redefine honest to mean 'honest' please play along".
09:05 mircea_popescu signatures don't matter ain't good enough, pow don't matter either now. idjits.
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09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00049334 = 13.7149 BTC [+]
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09:54 liquidassets MORNING ASSETERS!
09:55 liquidassets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZyLyKYnLoE
09:55 assbot NOFX - Thank God Its Monday - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAkOdP )
09:59 * shinohai likes NOFX
10:01 liquidassets And Mondays?
10:03 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWmjEXeXIAQaVn9.jpg:large
10:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAmGTU )
10:04 mircea_popescu punkman so ?
10:05 punkman good theme
10:05 mircea_popescu oh
10:05 mircea_popescu lolk
10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0004871 = 6.2349 BTC [-] {2}
10:25 asciilifeform gentlement, please welcome (back) bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333 - a trb node, now running asciilifeform's bleeding-edge (on musl-rotor)
10:25 asciilifeform *gentlemen
10:25 asciilifeform this build is ~4MB incidentally
10:26 asciilifeform ;;later tell VariaVarietatis please ask all trb questions in #bitcoin-assets
10:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:26 shinohai GG asciilifeform
10:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349190 << l0l!!
10:28 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 08:01:58; BingoBoingo: network message for relaying fraud proofs, a specification that SPV wallet developers can use to validate these messages and so know when to ignore the highest (but invalid) PoW chain...
10:29 mircea_popescu you know ?
10:29 mircea_popescu usg gotta split the muppets off bitcoin chain. one way or another, but IT GOTTA BE DONE!!1
10:29 mircea_popescu "hands off our cattle!"
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10:29 asciilifeform just when i thought this couldn't get any lulzier
10:29 asciilifeform 'ignore highest PoW'
10:29 mircea_popescu anyway, i happen to agree. there's absolutely no reason usg.jwz has any business touching bitcoin at any point.
10:29 mircea_popescu it's just not for him.
10:29 asciilifeform anyway i predicted usgcoin shortly after i first logged in here
10:31 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349203 <<>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347639
10:31 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 09:07:36; BingoBoingo: Also does is anyone else peristently maintaining many more bitcoin connections then they were when the XT spamnodes flooded? Went from 12-19 range to 24-38 range
10:31 assbot Logged on 19-12-2015 20:08:33; asciilifeform: so at this point i'm pretty certain where 'black hole' comes from.
10:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349209 << not strangely. cpu and disk i/o is the bottleneck, i determined this to arbitrary precision.
10:32 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 09:09:56; mircea_popescu: bandwidth is strangely not a problem per se.
10:33 asciilifeform and this is reflected in connection count as per earlier link
10:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you would expect, from a very high on view, that bw is the bottleneck in p2p anything, and especially anything dealing with 200gb worth of stored data.
10:33 asciilifeform it ~would~ be the bottleneck if the thing were not written by tards
10:34 asciilifeform and didn't block on blockverify
10:34 asciilifeform and used multiple cpu, etc
10:34 mircea_popescu o btw, didja happen to notice teh speed raid arrangement on phuctor's new server ? :D
10:34 asciilifeform aha it is very spiffy
10:34 * asciilifeform spent a good chunk of the last 2 days getting the multiprocessor phuctor werker into shape
10:35 shinohai nosuchlabs will b back soon?
10:35 asciilifeform shinohai: reasonably soon
10:35 asciilifeform shinohai: trb node is already there, see thread
10:35 shinohai I saw that ppart, thrilled to have node back
10:36 shinohai *part
10:37 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349291 << ahahahaha! RULE OF LAWWWWWW !?!?!!!!!11111
10:37 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 10:09:53; mircea_popescu: "I won't comment on the account ban for privacy or regulatory reasons. But I can say that the ban has nothing to do with this person's hackerone reporting. And unfortunately, we cannot be more lenient on him just because he has previously helped us. The 2 issues are independent. And plus, the team that works with banning has no access or knowledge of the hackerone cases. This separation protects our
10:38 asciilifeform that is the face of the beast.
10:38 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-11-2015#1328022 << see also
10:38 assbot Logged on 20-11-2015 02:04:44; asciilifeform: the scam is not in hitler's ability to 'cut off your lips if he doesn't like your face' but in the ~pretense~ at this strange 'rule of law' fiction
10:38 mircea_popescu amusingly, it's exactly what we'll say as they get impaled.
10:38 mircea_popescu heck, it's EXACTLY what isis is saying right now.
10:39 asciilifeform wai wut, 'we won't comment on this impalement for regulatory reasons' ??
10:39 mircea_popescu well no, who the fuck needs the formalism.
10:40 mircea_popescu prolly something more in line with "you don't get to comment on his impalement because who the fuck are you"
10:40 mircea_popescu same principle anywya.
10:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349296 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348495
10:41 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 10:12:40; mircea_popescu: next time you have the opportunity to hurt coinbase - hurt coinbase. secure in the knowledge that you're not only hurting some 3rd removed assholes, but a whole system of evil.
10:41 assbot Logged on 20-12-2015 18:03:24; asciilifeform: now if camel fucker army had brains and used pgp and gave half a shit, one could send 0day to them and have at least the pleasure of knowing that it will be used to deal max damage.
10:43 asciilifeform afaik the fella in question did not really have a chance. he had a bullet, but not the gun.
10:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349306 << explicit cutoff on that site is 0.8 iirc
10:44 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 10:22:53; mircea_popescu: lol @ that bitnodes.21.co thing not listing all my 0.6 nodes etc
10:44 asciilifeform an echo of the old derpwarz
10:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349319 << l0l, modernized ver. of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-05-2015#1142233 ?
10:45 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 10:27:34; mircea_popescu: "it didn't happen, or if it did it shouldn't matter or if it does it has nothing to do wit them"
10:45 assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:14; ascii_field: shitgnomes and their 'it didn't happen. if it happened, it doesn't matter. if it matters - one of -our- people did it first, of course!'
10:46 mircea_popescu that's if it's good.
10:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349331 << i wonder if these folks know the story of pavlik morozov
10:46 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 10:59:18; BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/LElDU << Why reddit can't ever bitcoin
10:56 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://imgur.com/utXv9EY
10:56 assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ZXia )
11:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/ << older backuped version back online. feel free to log in as per normal, update it, etc. everything should still work as b4, if not lemme know.
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11:12 mircea_popescu trilema also scheduled to be back online later today.
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11:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349134 << i like taleb's www and find it hard to disagree with his conclusions, but i simply cannot stomach his books. tried many times. reading his b00kz feels quite like having a titanic atomic cock shoved in your mouth; of such gargantuan proportions that it blots out the sun, moon, stars.
11:40 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 06:14:47; pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: ""We're not all famous authors". This is a type of smart ass easy comment only a bitter loser makes. In addition, it has a logical fallacy. Did it hit you that I have only been a "famous author" part of my life? Did it also hit you that it also applies to employment in general?"
11:52 mircea_popescu how's that metaphor work asciilifeform ?
11:52 asciilifeform the man has problems reeling his monster ego even partly onto a spool
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11:53 mircea_popescu hahahaha
11:53 asciilifeform even if he stuck to describing own victories, he'd be readable. but i don't need 40 pages about how well-pedigreed his lebanese family tree
11:53 mircea_popescu and this doesn't bother you on his www ? or, for that matter, my www ?!
11:53 asciilifeform nope.
11:53 mircea_popescu i got more ego than taleb damnit.
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11:54 asciilifeform aha but mircea_popescu has a cable spool for the cock
11:54 asciilifeform reels it out as necessary
11:54 * mircea_popescu always thought that nonsense was between patently insane and alienly endearing.
11:54 mircea_popescu seriously, you're a proud scion of a mightly lebanese line of kings and aviators ?
11:54 asciilifeform 'whatcha doing in the bowels of the reich then'
11:55 mircea_popescu not just that, but... lebanese ? seriously ?
11:55 mircea_popescu i suppose what saves it for my benefit is that romanian-ness has a humongous tradition in playing this for laughs
11:55 mircea_popescu so it registers in my head as a merely not very good attempt at that.
11:55 asciilifeform taleb makes wolfram look sane
11:56 asciilifeform at least herr w. merely brags about ~own~ imaginary triumphs
11:56 mircea_popescu that's what i;m saying. somewhere between patently insane and alienly endearing. "he can'rt be fucking serious".
11:57 asciilifeform also i am grossly underequipped to even venture to guess to what extent t. is a meatspace success
11:57 mircea_popescu he's done okay.
11:58 mircea_popescu or what, you mean with the ladies ?
11:58 asciilifeform nah commercial
11:58 asciilifeform specifically, how far did his theories take him
11:58 mircea_popescu his theories took him no far, seeing how he created theories after going places./
11:59 asciilifeform (and if not, why not. as a deservedly obscure crackpot i give a fuck, perhaps nobody else does)
11:59 asciilifeform generally i find 'this is why i won' literature insufferably boring.
11:59 asciilifeform ever try reading, e.g., edison ?
11:59 asciilifeform or worse yet, bill gates.
11:59 mircea_popescu edison was a total nitwit tho.
12:00 asciilifeform aha.
12:00 mircea_popescu bill gates idem.
12:00 asciilifeform hence boring
12:00 mircea_popescu this guy is cultivated.
12:00 asciilifeform but i'm not convinced that the cultivated had anything to do with the win
12:01 mircea_popescu these points are always extremely hard to establish. even in the golden age of cultivated, the argument never was causation, but mere correlation. "lucy, sit like a lady" "why!" "because sitting like a lady correlates with not marrying a bum"
12:01 mircea_popescu that's why the entire progressive bs even caught on in the first place. no causation.
12:03 mircea_popescu anyway, i imagine trying to read taleb to judge paths to success/create a path to success would be ungodly unnerving. i mostly like him because he provides an unalligned datapoint, by some definitions of unallignation.
12:04 asciilifeform it feels like reading brezhnev's 'Малая Земля'.
12:04 asciilifeform like somebody's jacking off into your skull.
12:04 mircea_popescu i like the wesleyan fellow for the same reason, weirdass right wing fundamentalism notwithstanding
12:05 asciilifeform y'know, the mega-ghostwritten backbreaker about how b. won ww2 with own two hands
12:05 mircea_popescu i never read that
12:05 asciilifeform virtually nobody read it
12:05 asciilifeform incl. brezhnev
12:06 asciilifeform (by all accounts he never showed the slightest symptom of having read 'his' b00k)
12:06 mircea_popescu also not particularly cultivated.
12:06 mircea_popescu this is what makes the differece from, say, proust.
12:07 mircea_popescu huge books, utterly meaningless drivel, but nevertheless...
12:10 asciilifeform there is such a thing as the drivel of a cultivated man.
12:11 shinohai https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-184#post-6654 "In my opinion, someone like Gavin Andresen is a genuine Bitcoin expert." <<< LOLOL
12:11 mircea_popescu to try and formalize this, imagine the question in terms of wallpaper. now you, being a sane individual, would never have wallpaper in the house. but, admitting for the sake of argument that you own a slavegirl together enough to be allowed to run her own household, and admitting she inexplicably wants some wallpaper, the difference between "whatever" and "you can't have that" mostly rests on whether the 900 dpi thing
12:11 mircea_popescu is composed of one inch squares repeating ad infinitum (edison, gates, the us generally) or is actually a pattern as large as the wall itself (ie, cultivated)
12:11 mircea_popescu ofcoursethereis!
12:12 mircea_popescu you ever read du cote de chez swann ?
12:12 asciilifeform nein
12:12 mircea_popescu fine. how about newton's approach to alchemy ?
12:12 asciilifeform aha
12:13 mircea_popescu drivel. cultivated man.
12:14 asciilifeform aha and even serious newtoniana aficionados rarely dwell on his alchemical labours.
12:14 mircea_popescu and the list could continue. there's piles of patristics, all the way to the divine doctor himself, doing nothing else. what's plotinus exactly ?
12:14 mircea_popescu well i suspect the reason for that disinterest is simple fear.
12:14 mircea_popescu "oh my god what if i read it and it makes sense to me".
12:14 asciilifeform i'd guess it'd be boredom
12:15 asciilifeform recently i went on an alchemical archaeology kick, motivated partly by desire to distinguish the 'good drivel' (the kind that actually made meaningful context-reference) from the straight drivel
12:16 asciilifeform that is to say, the labours of thinking and honest men, albeit working on pre-scientific priors, from the 'climatologists' of their day
12:16 mircea_popescu yet another theme one can lose an entire team of engineers in
12:16 asciilifeform i never get especially far with this, because the good sfuff is generally not on the net
12:17 asciilifeform and i can't be arsed to get on a plane just for this
12:18 asciilifeform the alchemical matter is of interest to me because i do not (and afaik nobody does) adequately have a handle on the phase transition, if you will, between voodoo and science, of a young field
12:22 gabrielradio !up Newar
12:24 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3xdv9z/what_is_user_agent_btcwire_and_why_is_it_grabbing << lulzy
12:24 assbot What is user agent btcwire and why is it grabbing so much data from my full node? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgtXoq )
12:24 asciilifeform this fella is soaking up the lion's share of the bandwidth of my nodez fleet
12:25 asciilifeform and can anybody give me a good reason not to DROP all the aws/cloud crapola ?
12:31 Newar IIRC btcwire is from the btcd in GO https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd
12:31 assbot btcsuite/btcd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oj6ki9 )
12:32 asciilifeform incidentally, imho accepting multiple simultaneous pipes from a single ip is a bug
12:33 asciilifeform (or at least, doing so by default and to an unlimited degree, is)
12:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00048718 = 3.9705 BTC [+] {2}
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12:55 mircea_popescu the latter, yes.
12:55 mircea_popescu and there's really no rule on what a node owner does to maintain his own network. you want to cut off aws, cut off aws.
12:56 mircea_popescu i can see the argument in favour of isolating all "cloud" crapolade anyway, from everything.
12:56 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349033 << see also >> https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%89%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F (no, afaik there is no engl. discussion of this)
12:56 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 00:27:34; mircea_popescu: nobody cares to look at the root causes. "hey derps ? you're being as inefficient as humanly possible" "well of course, any other course would be an economic disaster" "your idea of economy is like a rat's idea of hygiene : the more sewers the better" "so ?"
12:56 assbot Закрывающая технология — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1OGBQ3S )
12:56 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:56 asciilifeform ah there he is
12:56 mircea_popescu hola
12:56 asciilifeform i'ma translate, brb
12:57 mircea_popescu what do you mean not mentioned ?
12:57 mircea_popescu all marxism is built on this.
12:57 asciilifeform not exactly
13:03 asciilifeform 'A 'closing technology' - is a category of innovation, where as a result of its advent the need for a resource (including human resource) shrinks. A closing technology leads to the disappearance of an entire profession or branch of industry without creating a similarly resource-intensive profession or industry in its place. If one is speaking only of a replacement of a technology with a new one (or of a field, or market niche)
13:03 asciilifeform to replace an obsolete one, then the subject in question is merely 'disruptive innovation.'
13:03 asciilifeform The first mention in the scientific literature of such a phenomenon is in K. Marx's discussion regarding the invention of the weaving mill, after which a great many weavers in Great Britain and India perished, having outlived their usefulness. In M. Delyagin's opinion, closing technologies are unprofitable to market economies and are thereby relegated to postindustrial and preindustrial nations.
13:03 asciilifeform Closing technology leads to technical progress, which in this particular case disrupts the workings of an economic system, upsetting the balance of production and creating structural unemployment. From this point of view, closing technology is both a boon and an evil.'
13:03 asciilifeform ^ rough transl.
13:03 * asciilifeform does not endorse the crackpottery as written, but the concept is not useless
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13:22 thestringpuller hmm i can't reach qntra
13:23 thestringpuller Wait wait for it
13:23 thestringpuller YAAAAAAAAAY
13:24 jurov asciilifeform: isn't it same thing as "disruptive innovation" before derps ran off with the term?
13:27 mircea_popescu not really. disruptive simply means that the industrial pathways have to be reconstructed. not different from war in this sense.
13:27 mircea_popescu tbh the best example of closing technology to date would be organised atheism.
13:31 jurov how so? it removed some of clergy, but replaced it with humanities "scientists"
13:32 mircea_popescu well no, removed the entire religion thing, from the "must build cathedral" to "tithe" - speaking of which, you ever seen l'avare with de funes ? epic tithing scene in there - and on and on. review the literature of the 1800s, about half the drivel printed was various clerics opiniong self importantly on matters they thoroughly ignored.
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13:33 mircea_popescu now, it's true that the self important ignoramus has not been discontinued by this ;' and it's true that he's found new crevices to hide and be gavin andersen in. nevertheless, this is not part of the definition.
13:34 thestringpuller gavin doesnt even deserve to have his last name spelled correctly, cause who cares?
13:34 jurov what is "organised atheism" then?
13:34 jurov if not various branches of philosophy and humanities?
13:35 mircea_popescu there's nothing atheistic about either of those.
13:35 jurov what is "organised atheism" then?
13:37 mircea_popescu a middle aged woman in queens going "when you die you die. that's it. you don't go anywhere." as overheard in "the conversion" seinfeld episode.
13:38 jurov as i hardly know any such person, i suspect hard atheism is actually very rare thing.
13:38 mircea_popescu what is "organised terrorism" ? a large enough group of people who think there's absolutely nothing wrong with setting things on fire if they were government things.
13:39 mircea_popescu well... the thing about rat poison is that the rats don't need to know about it for it to work.
13:39 mircea_popescu it may be rare or common in your environment, but the church sure as hell doesn't dare try and impose a tax, but instead fell back on the b-a taxation model.
13:41 jurov heh, you wish. they learned bo bezzle instead.
13:42 jurov *to bezzle
13:42 mircea_popescu (organised here is used as a psych term of art - same way "organised delusion" works)
13:43 jurov so, if we break organized delusion and now there's 1000s of individual ones, we have released human resources and unleashed immense potential, etc.?
13:43 mircea_popescu huh ?
13:47 jurov i just don't make sense to apply the concept on church. did anyone perish due to church being displaced? no? then wtf we are having such virtual concepts?
13:48 punkman many perished
13:49 mircea_popescu why is "someone perished" the criteria ?
13:50 mircea_popescu it's just that at some point some % of gdp went into researching pewter alloys and making dumbass candlesticks and now it doesn't.
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13:50 mircea_popescu this may not be the case in marginal, primitive lands, but then again technology diffuses on a gradient.
14:00 jurov i suspect it isn't the case. let's say in middle ages 95% was the agriculture and 5% the religion ... and now the 5% remains under whatever guises (new age, dianetics, angelology, you name it) just the 95% moved on
14:01 mircea_popescu religion actually caried 80%+.
14:01 jurov of what?
14:01 mircea_popescu hence back when president bahamas of 1400 ran into "a crisis", what they did was a crusade
14:01 jurov certainly not the GDP
14:01 mircea_popescu not fucking bahamascare
14:02 mircea_popescu yes gdp
14:03 jurov but they *did not* have million-armies. just gathered few thousands of derps, maybe 1% of pop... that could not have made a dent in gdp
14:04 mircea_popescu you're kidding right ?
14:04 jurov no
14:04 mircea_popescu this is exactly counterfactual. the us is fighting the largest battle of a generation, fails to get ANY soldiers over at tikrit.
14:04 mircea_popescu meanwhile the crusades touched pretty much every able bodied male
14:04 mircea_popescu heck, they sent boatloads full of children.
14:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12338 @ 0.00049273 = 6.0793 BTC [+]
14:21 jurov still, if it really was big % of population, the outcome would look like after wave of pestilence&co, which it did not
14:22 jurov in that line, medicine is really the 'closing technology' that unleashed rivers of meat
14:23 mircea_popescu not really medicine. people keep going to "medicine", but this is nonsense. for one thing, medicine is in no better shape than it was during classical times, with one major exception : traumatology. which is what unleashed rivers of black athlete, it's true.
14:23 mircea_popescu but other than that : the rivers of meat spawn from the generalized sanitation, and are fed by generalized refrigeration
14:23 mircea_popescu medicine has ~0 to do with all this (as does democracy).
14:30 ben_vulpes yo trinque why did deedbot- miss this one? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/21_development-costs-of-user-interface-development-and-mitigating-them-with-clojurescript.html
14:30 assbot Development Costs of User Interface Development (and mitigating them with Clojure/Script) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBbIxw )
14:30 * ben_vulpes vanishes
14:32 trinque because it was gone.
14:33 trinque sometimes fleanode issues cause the poor guy to say things to no one but himself.
14:33 trinque my best people are on it
14:37 mircea_popescu lol
14:45 jurov ben_vulpes: do you have publicly available sample outcome of the glorious process?
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14:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82767 @ 0.00049318 = 40.819 BTC [+] {2}
14:53 jurov https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/boring-crypto/48qa1kWignU/o8GGp2K1DAAJ << where djb secretly desires ada
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14:53 assbot Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBefrj )
14:53 jurov As a boring platform for the portable parts of boring crypto software, I'd like to see a free C compiler that clearly defines, and permanently
14:53 jurov commits to, carefully designed semantics for everything that's labeled "undefined" or "unspecified" or "implementation-defined" in the C "standard".
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14:55 mircea_popescu heh
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15:37 deedbot- [Qntra] Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken - http://qntra.net/2015/07/chain-fork-reveals-bip-process-broken/
15:37 deedbot- [Qntra] French TV Venture CANAL+ Hacked, Suppresses News with DMCA - http://qntra.net/2015/07/french-tv-venture-canal-hacked-suppresses-news-with-dmca/
15:37 deedbot- [Qntra] Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis Resigns in Failure - http://qntra.net/2015/07/greek-finance-minister-varoufakis-resigns-in-failure/
15:37 deedbot- [Qntra] Another Post BIP 66 Fork Dies after 3 Blocks - http://qntra.net/2015/07/another-post-bip-66-fork-dies-after-3-blocks/
15:37 deedbot- [Qntra] Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes - http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/
15:37 deedbot- [Qntra] Transaction Fee Market Develops Amid Surge in Transaction Volume - http://qntra.net/2015/07/transaction-fee-market-develops-amid-surge-in-transaction-volume/
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15:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00049448 = 5.3651 BTC [+]
15:56 pete_dushenski is it just me or is the latest qntra from july 10, 2015 ?
15:57 pete_dushenski looks like the last 5 months of archives vanished in the last reboot ?
15:57 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349416 << ahok
15:57 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 16:10:22; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/ << older backuped version back online. feel free to log in as per normal, update it, etc. everything should still work as b4, if not lemme know.
15:59 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349421 << i've never understood this rather commonplace criticism of taleb as being anything other than "ow my fee-fees hurt. that's not nice and it's certainly not how we do things in usistan where being successful and coming from somewhere other than the sewers is bad because reasons mkay"
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15:59 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 16:52:46; asciilifeform: the man has problems reeling his monster ego even partly onto a spool
16:00 trinque weird.
16:00 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349426 << lol it's definitely a close contest.
16:00 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 16:53:56; mircea_popescu: i got more ego than taleb damnit.
16:00 trinque deedbot- knows what date/time it is... did someone touch the entropy dial?
16:03 trinque oh wow, that's what's actually on qntra.net at the moment.
16:03 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: "with the caveat that as the reunion of Ys starts approaching the universe, you're getting closer and closer to the nagant ending." << can you expand on this point ? is it that being overwhelmed on account of previous complacency and previous failures to eat the elephant one bite at a time, as those bites appeared, can only lead to suicide ?
16:04 pete_dushenski and prb = pseudorealbitcoin/pretendrealbitcoin/powerrangerbitcoin ?
16:09 mircea_popescu power ranger bitcoin. how about that!
16:09 mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/628524/Climate-change-shock-Burning-fossil-fuels-COOLs-planet-says-NASA
16:09 assbot Climate change shock: Burning fossil fuels COOLS planet, says NASA | UK | News | Daily Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5VLyH )
16:09 pete_dushenski and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through-forward-secrecy/
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16:09 assbot Page not found | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5VOua )
16:09 pete_dushenski e. also, that glibc is advertised as an 'essential' component of unix osen, but that it's very much something of a flying spaghetti monster
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16:13 mircea_popescu !up silvaedium
16:15 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349278 << sorta hard to play the other side of the conversation when you simultaneously take every possible rebuttal or objection, pin it down, and kill it, like some kind of laboratory experimenter playing with a mouse in a hall of mirrors with no exit ;/
16:15 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 09:57:30; mircea_popescu: it's to date the largest reply i ever had to make in an irc conversation, but it is in fact a reply in an irc conversation.
16:16 mircea_popescu lol
16:18 mircea_popescu Закрывающая разговор or what was alf saying.
16:21 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: but your controlling point about whose dominion is a thing is well taken. the boundaries here are very loosely defined, and yet so broad that i'm bound to miss important things, but mostly as these important things relate to trb development, an area where my only experience was debian testing and v-verification this summer
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16:23 mircea_popescu aha.
16:24 * pete_dushenski unwraps abdy's 'lectures on feudalism', herlihy's 'the history of feudalism', lessing's 'laocoon', and 'the world according to clarkson'
16:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform remind me, where's teh instructions for pressing a trb ?
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16:26 pete_dushenski this set of newly delivered readings is just some of the competition for my time that retards my learnings of trb and related subjects
16:26 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> is it just me or is the latest qntra from july 10, 2015 ? << New backup being loaded nao
16:26 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: neato
16:27 pete_dushenski glanville's and blackstone's commentaries and treatises are also on their way from bookstores around the world.
16:27 pete_dushenski THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH TO READ!
16:28 pete_dushenski though 15 minutes of reading was all it took to appreciate the enormity of alf's glibcless netbsd.
16:28 * pete_dushenski tips cap
16:36 pete_dushenski from bottom of express uk 'climate' article: "Can we trust existing climate change predictions based on this new research?"
16:36 pete_dushenski 86% of respondents: "No, I have never heard before that fossil fuels can cool area - it all needs looking at again."
16:37 mircea_popescu what else "have i never heard of before" ? medieval ice age ? volcano eruption driving cool summers ?
16:37 mircea_popescu nuttin ?
16:39 pete_dushenski what do you expect from brits edumacated in the post-beatings era.
16:47 * asciilifeform back from dentist
16:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349614 << using whose vtron ?
16:48 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 21:24:59; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me, where's teh instructions for pressing a trb ?
16:48 asciilifeform the instructions for mine are in the ml
16:48 asciilifeform mod6's also iirc
16:48 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << mine
16:48 assbot [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
16:48 * mircea_popescu is going to send noob into this, see what happens.
16:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00049448 = 3.3625 BTC [+] {2}
16:49 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000179.html << mod6's far spiffier vtron
16:49 assbot [BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99998 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYf1zx )
16:49 asciilifeform and ben_vulpes also had one (haven't tried) and punkman also (ditto)
16:50 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349603 << l0l pete_dushenski we're talking about ~6 month old newz by now
16:50 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 21:09:58; pete_dushenski: and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through
16:50 asciilifeform (the de-glibc-ation)
16:51 pete_dushenski for some kids, the existence of bitcoin is still news.
16:51 pete_dushenski in trblandia, i'm the 30 iq kid
16:51 asciilifeform jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349578 << this is not as simple as it sounds, there are machine and os braindamages baked in
16:51 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 19:53:52; jurov: commits to, carefully designed semantics for everything that's labeled "undefined" or "unspecified" or "implementation-defined" in the C "standard".
16:52 BingoBoingo No, you're pantagruel in the bouncy harness pete_dushenski
16:52 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: lol if pantagruel's my boy, then i'm gargantua ;)
16:53 jurov asciilifeform: twas just djb citation
16:53 asciilifeform aha
16:53 BingoBoingo Not necessarily. Maybe gargantua in legend was actually cuckolded, and pantagruel's real father was the Jew boy.
16:53 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151108.tar.gz.mod6.sig << da fuyck ?
16:53 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyZQrR )
16:54 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349591 << pointedly ~not~ what it is about. see thread re: brezhnev's book. the latter is not loathesome because i cry from failing to live up to brezhnev's imaginary heroism
16:54 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 20:59:48; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349421 << i've never understood this rather commonplace criticism of taleb as being anything other than "ow my fee-fees hurt. that's not nice and it's certainly not how we do things in usistan where being successful and coming from somewhere other than the sewers is bad because reasons mkay"
16:54 mircea_popescu mod6 any idea ?
16:54 asciilifeform but because it is tedious and repetitive
16:54 asciilifeform whereas, e.g., mircea_popescu's site, is neither
16:55 mircea_popescu that may have a lot to do with the age of the mammals.
16:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite likely jurov's filename munger
16:55 asciilifeform i still wanna know what he was smoking when he did that one
16:55 jurov no, the mailinglist has nothing to do with /v/
16:56 asciilifeform then nfi
16:56 mircea_popescu not related to mailing list no
16:56 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349603 << wait till pete_dushenski remembers about drepper
16:56 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 21:09:58; pete_dushenski: and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through
16:57 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig << correct url
16:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0HBCj )
16:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00049373 = 2.7753 BTC [-]
16:58 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: lol i remember ulrich, musta glanced over his name when skimming for recognisables. now i see him there too.
16:58 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: afaik he is the (in so far as is publicly known) ~the~ wrecker
16:58 asciilifeform with the single most... illustrious record
16:59 asciilifeform there are drepperisms on your box, whatever it might be, virtually guaranteed.
16:59 pete_dushenski do you have a poster of drepper's face on your wall with a hitler stache, devil eyes, and a horns carved in ?
16:59 asciilifeform iirc he is even responsible for the retardation of gnu diff
17:00 asciilifeform the one i had to kludge around to get 'v' to work reasonably
17:00 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: no but don't let it stop you
17:00 asciilifeform i don't even have my own shooting gallery
17:00 asciilifeform (betcha mircea_popescu does)
17:00 pete_dushenski i only copy from my betters
17:01 * pete_dushenski wonders where bounty on drepper's head is if wuille is worth the trouble
17:02 asciilifeform anyway drepper was drepper 20 yrs ago. today there are new dreppers. tomorrow there will be yet other dreppers.
17:03 pete_dushenski bbiab
17:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349605 << libc. there are multiple usable implementations thereof
17:03 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 21:09:59; pete_dushenski: e. also, that glibc is advertised as an 'essential' component of unix osen, but that it's very much something of a flying spaghetti monster
17:04 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: see also http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
17:04 assbot Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQi5O )
17:05 asciilifeform all 3 of my currently operating trb nodes are using a rotor-on-musl build
17:06 asciilifeform (at some point i may or may not do a dietlibc and uclibc variant)
17:15 mircea_popescu so /me gives new girl task to press v, half hour ago. other than the url issue above, "hey what sigs should i put in here ?"
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17:15 mircea_popescu "ascii and mod6". "ok, here's what I get :
17:15 mircea_popescu WARNING: genesis.vpatch.mircea_popescu.sig is an INVALID seal for genesis.vpatch!
17:15 mircea_popescu Check that this user is in your WoT, and that this key has not expired.
17:15 mircea_popescu Otherwise remove the invalid seal from your SEALS directory.
17:15 mircea_popescu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17:15 mircea_popescu Died at ./v.pl line 112.
17:15 mircea_popescu at which point /me grins
17:15 mircea_popescu seriously mod6, VERY nice job with this. 19 yo can use it!
17:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where did you get the sigs and patches ?
17:16 asciilifeform trb site ?
17:16 mircea_popescu pubkeys yo umean ? i have my own copies!
17:16 asciilifeform nono
17:16 asciilifeform the seals
17:16 asciilifeform and vpatches
17:17 asciilifeform (a seal, recall, is a signature of a particular patch)
17:17 mircea_popescu apparently it has a mirror list and then an init command.
17:17 mircea_popescu so far the mirror list consists of trb site.
17:18 asciilifeform can take the patches & seals from my tarball, which is self-contained
17:18 asciilifeform see what differs from trb site
17:18 asciilifeform (nothing ought to)
17:18 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html
17:18 assbot [BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQt08V )
17:29 mircea_popescu hmm, so this produces a press directory, which contains a bitcoin src, but there's no autogen.sh and how do you make this thing ?
17:29 asciilifeform aha so far this is strictly bitcoin
17:29 asciilifeform for the rest, you need rotor or stator (your choice)
17:30 asciilifeform (rotor is a superset of stator that builds own compiler with - in my latest ver. - musl)
17:30 mircea_popescu damn it.
17:30 mircea_popescu why's it not in teh patch tree ;/
17:30 asciilifeform 'cause it isn't specific to trb
17:30 mircea_popescu so ?
17:30 asciilifeform (it'll be building, e.g., gossipd, later)
17:30 mircea_popescu the idea here is to get a certain result through a certain process
17:31 mircea_popescu obviously just dumping it in as a node isn't right, but we gotta have it somehow
17:31 asciilifeform mod6 had a set of instructions up for cooking rotor ab initio, but it apparently wasn't in the ml
17:32 * asciilifeform digs in logz
17:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform besides the point tho.
17:32 mircea_popescu when one executes v-magic upon the genesis patch one must end up with a ready-to-go bitcoin.
17:32 asciilifeform once mod6 and ben_vulpes shrinkwrap a buildroot, gcc, et al. this will be possible
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17:32 asciilifeform and will go on the magic cd
17:33 asciilifeform presently buildroot fetches crud from the net
17:33 mircea_popescu i suppose we'll have to restate the genesis huh
17:33 mircea_popescu VARDFORK!
17:33 asciilifeform parallel tree
17:33 asciilifeform as discussed about a day ago
17:33 mircea_popescu exactly.
17:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00048714 = 10.2543 BTC [-] {3}
17:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-12-2015#1348564
17:33 assbot Logged on 20-12-2015 18:46:10; asciilifeform: (ergo, has its own 'genesis' somewhere)
17:34 mircea_popescu must say it's endearingly light, this bitcoin press.
17:34 asciilifeform out of curiosity what did mircea_popescu expect ?
17:34 mircea_popescu i expect nothing, thus i live longer.
17:35 mircea_popescu does your rotor live anywhere ?
17:35 asciilifeform in the ml
17:35 * asciilifeform digs
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17:35 * mircea_popescu digs as well
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17:36 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html
17:36 assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 )
17:36 mircea_popescu http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html ?
17:36 assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1hbPG4Q )
17:36 mircea_popescu ah ok
17:37 asciilifeform aha may need trinque's correction on some damaged systems
17:37 * mircea_popescu passes this along and goes to eat.
17:37 mircea_popescu ah what a pleasant day in the resistance.
17:37 asciilifeform warning - this takes FUCKING FOREVER
17:37 asciilifeform as it builds gcc, toolchain, et al
17:38 * asciilifeform sings along, 'Доказали не раз они, что один в поле воин...'
17:41 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu if you do musl rotor correctly, after stripping the elf you get a roughly 4M bin.
17:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349545 << now it goes to fund klimate reeeesearch!!1111
17:46 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 18:50:08; mircea_popescu: it's just that at some point some % of gdp went into researching pewter alloys and making dumbass candlesticks and now it doesn't.
17:47 asciilifeform nobody cancelled the church, it just morphed into 'hjooooman rightz' crapolade
17:47 asciilifeform every bit as virulent and pestilential
17:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349525 << usg's vaguely quakerist state religion eats considerably more than 10%
17:48 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 18:32:56; mircea_popescu: well no, removed the entire religion thing, from the "must build cathedral" to "tithe" - speaking of which, you ever seen l'avare with de funes ? epic tithing scene in there - and on and on. review the literature of the 1800s, about half the drivel printed was various clerics opiniong self importantly on matters they thoroughly ignored.
17:48 asciilifeform (30 to 100 percent depending on how you count)
17:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.0004871 = 7.5744 BTC [-] {2}
17:53 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349611 << if pete_dushenski is interested in the trb affair, prolly best bang for his buck will be to learn ~why~ various things were done, rather than the agonizing particulars of ~how~
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17:53 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 21:21:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: but your controlling point about whose dominion is a thing is well taken. the boundaries here are very loosely defined, and yet so broad that i'm bound to miss important things, but mostly as these important things relate to trb development, an area where my only experience was debian testing and v-verification this summer
17:53 asciilifeform unfortunately this is described nowhere but the logz
17:54 asciilifeform incidentally this is something a fella like pete_dushenski, who is very much fond of writing reviews/expositions/etc. could make a dent in
17:55 kakobrekla ideally should be in the wiki imo
18:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33206 @ 0.00048933 = 16.2487 BTC [+] {3}
18:05 mircea_popescu prolly.
18:06 mircea_popescu !up butts
18:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "6) in it, set up a stator dir, e.g., /home/luser/rotor/stator and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before." << what the fuck do you think this means ?
18:07 mircea_popescu no more passing by reference!
18:07 asciilifeform it means the instructions from stator
18:07 mircea_popescu pfff.
18:07 asciilifeform (which, when i wrote this, everybody had going)
18:08 mircea_popescu http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html this ?
18:08 assbot [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn )
18:08 asciilifeform aha
18:08 mircea_popescu yes yes. the idea being : no reference!
18:08 mircea_popescu so basically, the entirety of work of interest here is : go to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150627/stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz ; In 'distfiles', read 'MANIFEST' and place the tarballs found therein in said dir.
18:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoCeri )
18:09 mircea_popescu the rest of the discussion in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html being irrelevant
18:09 assbot [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn )
18:09 mircea_popescu right ?
18:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00049407 = 12.0553 BTC [+] {3}
18:09 asciilifeform correct
18:15 mircea_popescu aaaand where doth one find openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
18:15 asciilifeform trb www
18:15 mircea_popescu god damned half filled manifest.
18:15 mircea_popescu why the fuck should i need to ask questions AFTER i read it. how am i better off than one who didn't bother reaqding it, for my effort ? and how's this encouraging people to rtfm already.
18:16 asciilifeform sorta why i wanted a cd
18:16 mircea_popescu cd is not what's keeping you from providing path!
18:16 mircea_popescu ;;google openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz site:thebitcoin.foundation
18:16 gribble No matches found.
18:16 mircea_popescu right-o.
18:16 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009833
18:16 assbot Logged on 06-02-2015 02:52:08; asciilifeform: 66ebbad3c8ad98a07b486d39d0c3ae62b00133f8f2877cf8b97c461e7c7f40b29cf9c3cae82cf73a92dcf1daa63d33aa76c910fbcbe60158589fc7cb48f41e6d openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
18:17 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html also has a 1) hash 2) link to original vendor www
18:17 assbot [BTC-dev] UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: AGuide ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMQbV )
18:17 asciilifeform which is presumably where everybody's been getting the turdz
18:17 mircea_popescu curl http://thebitcoin.foundation/ | grep "openssl" comes back empty also!
18:17 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
18:17 asciilifeform looks like mod6's script actually fetches it from openssl site
18:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that style of presumption is 150% of what's wrong with foss.
18:17 mircea_popescu can't fucking use the thing.
18:17 asciilifeform quite
18:21 mircea_popescu oddly the script i'm using as a guide to hack this together uses boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.gz" \ for some reason, unlike in the other two cases.
18:22 mircea_popescu because nonhomogenuous code ftw.
18:22 mircea_popescu 61mb boost. lord have mercies.
18:23 mircea_popescu sha256sum boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
18:23 mircea_popescu eea637a4ce9f9b45a0d5e00bb9462c9f084086264d85d63133dd6d240398b28f boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
18:24 mircea_popescu and this differs from fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 in the manifest
18:24 mircea_popescu oh the manifest is sha512.
18:24 mircea_popescu listen we really gotta pick one of these and stick to it.
18:24 asciilifeform 222b6afd7723f396f5682c20130314a10196d3999feab5ba920d2a6bf53bac92 distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
18:24 asciilifeform ^ mine
18:24 asciilifeform (sha256)
18:24 asciilifeform what givez
18:24 mircea_popescu holy shit sha512sum doesn't match either.
18:24 mircea_popescu i get 8de651beb9a48f91f8a797f44966b8f25c3351d6893c1d79969aeb2ded3adeaf8fc14aa9b8a4410081dde9ef155330b41a4982a62b55adde40bb73f0066c74a2 boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
18:24 mircea_popescu they changed the archive.
18:25 asciilifeform fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
18:25 asciilifeform l0l
18:25 mircea_popescu bzwut
18:25 mircea_popescu oh ffsake
18:25 mircea_popescu nonhomogenous manifests, also. do you hate me ?
18:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: post diff ?
18:26 mircea_popescu your manifest has .bz2 for boost, .gz for everything else
18:26 mircea_popescu http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html script uses .gz throughout
18:26 assbot [BTC-dev] UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: AGuide ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMQbV )
18:26 mircea_popescu im going to proceed on the grounds that i match that sha256 but srsly...
18:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26848 @ 0.00049447 = 13.2755 BTC [+] {2}
18:29 mircea_popescu ok, so i have /rotor/stator/stator/distfiles/boost_1_52_0/ ; db-4.8.30/ ; openssl-1.0.1g/
18:29 mircea_popescu that it, is the distfiles loaded and i can proceed ?
18:29 asciilifeform distfiles has the tarballs
18:30 mircea_popescu it does yes.
18:30 asciilifeform boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 db-4.8.30.tar.gz openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
18:30 mircea_popescu uh.
18:30 mircea_popescu no, all .gz
18:30 asciilifeform odd
18:30 mircea_popescu what could possibly be odd about it. i had to gather them by hand, which i did.
18:31 asciilifeform anyway there is also an 'ourlibs' dir where all of the built crud will go. empty at the start.
18:31 mircea_popescu i have to make this ?
18:31 asciilifeform aha
18:31 asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/2CNDJ6Y << my rotor.sh
18:31 assbot dpaste: 2CNDJ6Y ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjN7vE )
18:31 asciilifeform incidentally do you have the toolchain built ?
18:32 mircea_popescu god damned it.
18:32 mircea_popescu listen to me : TWO HOURS ago i gave a girl a task.
18:32 mircea_popescu she returned with an error, after going very smoothly throughout everything mod6 made, hour and a half ago.
18:32 mircea_popescu i fixed that and went to eat. she returned with an hour within minutes, and i've been spending my time debugging your inept shit.
18:32 mircea_popescu it is unconscionable, this.
18:33 * asciilifeform did not write the build script on trb site
18:33 * asciilifeform wrote strictly what appears in http://dpaste.com/2CNDJ6Y
18:33 assbot dpaste: 2CNDJ6Y ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjN7vE )
18:33 mircea_popescu the moment we go off mod6 instructions and into alf instructions we suddenly need a rear admiral and five airline pilots.
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18:33 mircea_popescu so lettuce see if this thing can be made to work sanely once and for all.
18:33 mircea_popescu i have exactly nothing anywhere. the disk is fucking empty. this is deliberate.
18:34 mircea_popescu no "as before" ; no "mine", none of the bs.
18:34 asciilifeform somehow i thought that mod6 et al had something like a build system
18:34 mircea_popescu it doesn't appear so.
18:34 asciilifeform apparently !
18:34 trinque he does. I have run it and am syncing a bitcoind from its product.
18:34 mircea_popescu trinque link ?
18:34 * trinque looks
18:37 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349766 << indeed.
18:37 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 22:53:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349611 << if pete_dushenski is interested in the trb affair, prolly best bang for his buck will be to learn ~why~ various things were done, rather than the agonizing particulars of ~how~
18:37 trinque mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1333964 << I had to dos2unix the script before running.
18:37 assbot Logged on 30-11-2015 04:08:01; mod6: trinque, et. al: The updated [version 99997 K] rotot v054-TEST2 (via `V') script: http://dpaste.com/3J5SA2V.txt
18:38 mircea_popescu holy shit it's in a dpaste in the logs ?
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18:38 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349859 << /me recalls many hours spent on this exact back-and-forth and hack-and-saw over the summer
18:38 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 23:33:24; mircea_popescu: the moment we go off mod6 instructions and into alf instructions we suddenly need a rear admiral and five airline pilots.
18:38 trinque did output a usable product thereafter, and it's running on a debian, was built on a gentoo where it also ran.
18:38 * mircea_popescu goes to punch out baby seals
18:38 trinque definitely needs to be released on the site..
18:38 mircea_popescu trinque mind dpasting your fixed version then ?
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18:38 trinque sure
18:38 trinque hell I'll put it on deedbot.org
18:38 mircea_popescu ok.
18:38 trinque so it is not lost to the sands of dpaste
18:39 mircea_popescu and fwiw i'm on rotor 99998 iirc.
18:40 * pete_dushenski also recalls this particular dpaste, even having tried it on fresh os!, and failing for reasons i shamefully didn't have time to delve into further
18:40 pete_dushenski that it was only in logs was a bit odd
18:42 mircea_popescu mod6 as a purely aesthetic point, i hate that your v puts its files/dirs straight under ~. it would be much better if it made them under current dir.
18:42 mircea_popescu as it is i put .wot in /trb/.wot but the .seals are still up one level ;/
18:44 trinque http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh
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18:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MslfyQ )
18:44 trinque http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh.asc
18:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msldar )
18:47 mircea_popescu Peter Korsgaard and his 1024D bullshit
18:48 mircea_popescu this is what we're hinging on ;/
18:48 mircea_popescu how the fuck is 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 even worth loading into a system in 2015.
18:49 mircea_popescu anyway, rm -rf rotor and let's see this script
18:50 mircea_popescu trinque am i expecting any particular output ?
18:51 trinque the first output is it verifying signatures of various curl downloads, as I see it running it again.
18:52 mircea_popescu right. so i now notice it made a rotor dir
18:52 mircea_popescu V-20151129.tar.gz
18:52 mircea_popescu ../ V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig
18:52 mircea_popescu buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz v.pl*
18:52 mircea_popescu buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign v.pl.mod6.sig
18:52 mircea_popescu rotor.tar.gz v_quick_start.txt*
18:52 mircea_popescu rotor.tar.gz.sig v_quick_start.txt.mod6.sig
18:52 mircea_popescu TEST2/ v_users_manual.txt*
18:52 mircea_popescu toolchain/ v_users_manual.txt.mod6.sig
18:52 mircea_popescu polimedi@polimedia.us [~/trb/rotor]#
18:52 mircea_popescu pointedly absent, an autogen.sh or any sort of obvious make target.
18:53 trinque yes, and after building the binary will be buried at rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/bitcoind
18:53 trinque I would say that the file tree here needs some work.
18:53 mircea_popescu building what ? how ?
18:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we don't use automake, it is of the heathens
18:54 trinque it is running the rotor/TEST2/rotor.sh ...
18:54 mircea_popescu so what do we do ?
18:54 trinque yes but this is seriously layered and needs to be smashed into one script.
18:54 mircea_popescu my test2 is empty.
18:54 asciilifeform (my rotor.sh would have been a standard makefile, but gnumake has problems invoking makes recursively)
18:55 trinque mircea_popescu: the build script ought to be making all this
18:55 trinque it blew up?
18:55 mircea_popescu it finished without error, created the dir quoted above and thats it
18:55 mircea_popescu /home/polimedi/.wot directory does not exist. Refer to help.
18:55 mircea_popescu o god damned it.
18:56 mircea_popescu i can't choose where to put anything, right ?
18:56 mircea_popescu ima wipe this entire thing and start over. god damned tis frustrating.
18:59 trinque also would be good to have curl output some progress info when downloading. it otherwise appears hung when pulling down boost, or did to me.
18:59 mircea_popescu currently spewing stuff in terminal, seems ok.
19:00 mircea_popescu yeah seems to be building boost.
19:03 mircea_popescu i just downloaded the linux kernel...
19:03 mircea_popescu yup there's musl too. aaaite, ima let it be for a bit then
19:12 deedbot- [Qntra] Pirate Bay Four Acquitted Of Charges - http://qntra.net/2015/07/pirate-bay-four-acquitted-of-charges/
19:16 deedbot- [Qntra] Mining Difficulty Reaches New High - http://qntra.net/2015/07/mining-difficulty-reaches-new-high/
19:17 trinque BingoBoingo: are you loading data back into qntra?
19:18 trinque if so perhaps I should turn off the feeds until you're done.
19:18 BingoBoingo in a way you could say that
19:18 trinque feeds are off.
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31478 @ 0.0004871 = 15.3329 BTC [-]
19:21 mod6 woah
19:21 * mod6 reads
19:27 * mod6 reads again
19:29 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> seriously mod6, VERY nice job with this. 19 yo can use it! << sarc?
19:30 * trinque out to dinner, will turn feeds back on when I return.
19:30 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6 had a set of instructions up for cooking rotor ab initio, but it apparently wasn't in the ml << no. it "works" as far as I and others have tried it -- it relies upon haveing my, alf's, mp's, ben's, and trinque's keys in a ~/.wot dir iirc.
19:31 mod6 but until we wrap up the final parts as discussed yesterday, i wont clutter up the ml
19:32 trinque oh and btw, linked the script to say "I have used this and it works" not "this is a release according to mod6"
19:33 mod6 +asciilifeform> looks like mod6's script actually fetches it from openssl site << yes. for now, for testing. i haven't actually put up the stuff yet because until yesterday, wasn't finalized, wasn't signed etc.
19:33 * pete_dushenski to dinner
19:34 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 as a purely aesthetic point, i hate that your v puts its files/dirs straight under ~. it would be much better if it made them under current dir. << alright
19:34 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> as it is i put .wot in /trb/.wot but the .seals are still up one level ;/ << noted.
19:34 mod6 so where are you at now, and how can I help you accomplish your goal.
19:35 trinque mircea_popescu │ currently spewing stuff in terminal, seems ok.
19:36 mod6 and yah, btw, you can tell V where to put .wot .seals and your patchdir.
19:36 mod6 this is all in the doc.
19:36 mod6 if you don't tell it where to put them it creates ~/.wot ~/.seals and then drops the patchdir in your pwd.
19:44 danielpbarron WARNING: asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch!
19:45 mod6 Who/What/Where/When DPB
19:45 danielpbarron that's where it ends for me when using trinque's script 'build-bitcoind-99997K.sh'
19:46 mod6 is that with my 'V', or post the log line where he gave you that.
19:47 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349889
19:47 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 23:44:06; trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh
19:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0004903 = 4.1921 BTC [+]
19:48 mod6 Ok mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque : The latest version of my rotor+V+TEST2 script is here: http://dpaste.com/1R04312.txt : All you should need to do before hand is create a ~/.wot dir and add; "asciilifeform.asc", "mircea_popescu.asc", "mod6.asc", "ben_vulpes.asc", "trinque.asc", and "punkman.asc" into that directory.
19:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjOV7T )
19:49 mod6 Then if you take that paste, chmod +x it, run it, it /should/ pull down all of the deps (still not complete, grabs stuff over the web), pull down V, press a 'TEST2', then build rotor, and then finally bitcoind inside of it.
19:50 mod6 danielpbarron: do you have "asciilifeform.asc" in your .wot directory?
19:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00048803 = 2.8062 BTC [-] {2}
19:54 danielpbarron ah, that was the problem. I had named it asciilifeform.key
19:54 mod6 yeah, the manual says about ".asc"
19:54 mod6 sall good now
19:54 mod6 ?
19:56 danielpbarron yeah appears so
19:56 mod6 ok
19:57 mod6 I am following my exact instructions above ^^^ nearly done building a rotor+V+TEST2.
19:57 mod6 If anyone else wants to do this tonight, to replicate my thing, I am here.
19:57 mod6 Let's do it.
20:08 * asciilifeform increasingly certain that his magic rotolinux cd will have to be... a bootable one
20:08 asciilifeform there is no other way to flamethrower the ubiquitous braindamage that prevents every single thing i ever publish from building on half the boxes
20:15 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> listen we really gotta pick one of these and stick to it. << will sort this out with the manifest/file-o-hashes
20:16 mircea_popescu # ./bitcoind
20:16 mircea_popescu ************************
20:16 mircea_popescu EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error
20:16 mircea_popescu locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid
20:16 mircea_popescu bitcoin in AppInit()
20:16 mircea_popescu terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
20:16 mircea_popescu what(): locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid
20:16 mircea_popescu Aborted (core dumped)
20:17 mircea_popescu but other than that, latest script was pretty spiffy mod6
20:17 asciilifeform LC_ALL="C"
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20:17 mod6 ^
20:17 asciilifeform prefix when starting bitcoind
20:17 asciilifeform this is necessary when running a musl executable on a heathen (glibc) linux
20:17 mircea_popescu wut sarc
20:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform waitwut ?
20:18 asciilifeform you gotta put that envir var there
20:18 asciilifeform or it will croak as pictured above
20:18 asciilifeform one of these days i will saw out the locale idiocy from gcc
20:18 mircea_popescu yteaH srsly
20:19 mircea_popescu so export LC_ALL="C" ?
20:19 mod6 i think i usually execute this like: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=1.2.3.4 ... ect`
20:19 mircea_popescu a ok\
20:19 asciilifeform aha what mod6 said
20:19 asciilifeform sample from one of my boxes,
20:19 asciilifeform LC_ALL="C" /home/bitcoin/bin/bitcoind -datadir=/home/bitcoin/.bitcoin -myip=$wanip -addnode=195.211.154.159 2>&1 &
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20:20 mircea_popescu yeah, seems to work actually.
20:20 mircea_popescu sweet!
20:20 asciilifeform (replace $wanip with yours)
20:20 mod6 nice!
20:20 asciilifeform congrats mircea_popescu !
20:20 mircea_popescu Error: To use bitcoind, you must set a rpcpassword in the configuration file
20:20 mircea_popescu trhis sounds like home.
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20:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how big's your stripped bin ?
20:21 kakobrekla im not saying congrats arent in order but the fact they are is sad.
20:21 mod6 this is a good point kako.
20:21 mircea_popescu 4884832 Dec 22 00:14 bitcoind
20:21 mircea_popescu kakobrekla word.
20:21 mod6 it /will/ get easier. it's our mission.
20:22 mircea_popescu but in fairness the stack has improved HEAPS and bounds from its state pre-mod6-99997 release, so ima not say anything more
20:22 asciilifeform 4884896 <<< asciilifeform's
20:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform EXTRA DWORD!
20:22 mod6 hehhe, we went through that once didn't we.
20:22 mod6 about the offsets
20:22 mircea_popescu lol
20:23 mircea_popescu anyway, i could in principle put up ~60 of these overnight
20:23 mircea_popescu it's really not so bad, <1hr whole script
20:23 mod6 yeah mine just finished.
20:23 mircea_popescu and, most importantly, script works.
20:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gcc embeds local paths (aha quite retarded) in the elf
20:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so it's a marvel we're only off by a dword
20:23 mod6 mine took ~30 minutes.
20:23 mod6 on an old ass core2duo too :]
20:23 asciilifeform 'cause mine has strings like /home/stas/br-super/stator/ourlibs/lib/engines in the stripped elf
20:24 mircea_popescu mod6 one thing to consider : rather than a wd to set the wot dir, simply have it put stuff under current dir ?
20:24 mod6 yeah, noted. i think the design decision there was "if i put it in pwd, someone might not know where it is, they may just check ~/ first."
20:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 60 actual physical boxes would be mighty spiffy
20:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not sure it'd actually do anything useful.
20:25 asciilifeform it'd fill some pants i bet
20:25 mod6 ofc it could be helpful and spit that stuff out to stdout and let a fella know.
20:25 mircea_popescu im not in the business of filling pants tho!
20:25 asciilifeform also would be interesting to spot the octopi
20:25 asciilifeform (the boxes that are simply out to hog sockets)
20:25 mircea_popescu anyway. the only congrats that are in order go to teh foundation. well done peeps.
20:26 mod6 mircea_popescu: I'll reflect on this conversation and your trials/tribulations and use it to guide us going forward to the finish line here.
20:26 mircea_popescu mod6 in fairness 99% of tribulation was because i wasn't using 99997
20:26 mircea_popescu sorta went at it obliquely. but definitely gotta make it a release.
20:27 mod6 ah, ok. It's not super easy to follow unless you've been keeping up with all the testing. I'm trying to keep the ML clean so people don't get tripped up later.
20:27 mircea_popescu yes but a "here's where you start" pointer must exist.
20:27 mircea_popescu prolly should exist on the main page of trb site, at that.
20:28 mod6 yea, we need a "get your TEST2 up and going" section.
20:28 mod6 I've got a short week this week. I'll get some of that cleaned up.
20:29 mod6 There's a bunch of loose ends. We're getting there...
20:29 asciilifeform at any rate even if mircea_popescu doesn't feel like making 60, it would be great if you lot came up with another dozen or so. take some of the load off my poor junkers
20:30 * asciilifeform uncrates brand new half-TB ssd for zoolag
20:30 kakobrekla its a fast moving targer
20:30 kakobrekla target
20:34 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> wut sarc << oh thought you had sarc tag on about the seals warning your 19yo got. :]
20:34 mircea_popescu what's that ?
20:35 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> seriously mod6, VERY nice job with this. 19 yo can use it! << this
20:35 mod6 cause it died right then. heh.
20:36 mod6 anyway nm.
20:39 mod6 <+trinque> yes but this is seriously layered and needs to be smashed into one script. << this is a good point there a bunch of gyrations in the current script that could be folded all into one better script.
20:39 mod6 one thing at a time though.
20:43 mircea_popescu of course... "blocks" : 0, "connections" : 0,
20:43 mircea_popescu thius dun seem right.
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja -addnode=1.2.3.4 ???
20:44 asciilifeform gotta breath'o'life it
20:44 mircea_popescu o right
20:44 mircea_popescu -addnode=195.211.154.159 << this ours ?
20:45 asciilifeform replace with one of the currently-live nodez
20:45 asciilifeform (one or more! can have multiple -addnode)
20:45 asciilifeform iirc 195* belongs to mircea_popescu
20:45 mod6 also -verifyall should be an option for you with TEST2
20:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00049028 = 4.4615 BTC [+]
20:46 mircea_popescu !s zoolag
20:46 assbot 69 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag
20:47 mircea_popescu !s bucephalus
20:47 assbot 20 results for 'bucephalus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bucephalus
20:47 asciilifeform fastest sync is prolly from dulap
20:47 asciilifeform with zoolag a close second
20:47 asciilifeform (Gb fiber)
20:47 mircea_popescu what's the rush.
20:48 mircea_popescu dja see me ? 46.166.170.208
20:48 asciilifeform on which
20:48 mircea_popescu zoolag / bucephalus
20:49 mircea_popescu "blocks" : 2034, "connections" : 10, << we're in bidnis.
20:50 asciilifeform i see a 46.166.160.36
20:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00049002 = 7.3503 BTC [-] {3}
20:50 mircea_popescu sounds like gateway aha.
20:51 asciilifeform and there you are on dulap.
20:51 asciilifeform and on bucephalus.
20:51 asciilifeform not on zoolag tho
20:51 mircea_popescu cool beans.
20:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3811 @ 0.00049029 = 1.8685 BTC [+] {2}
20:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what didja press ?
21:00 mod6 <+trinque> http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh << If Mr. P. used this, then it does this (in the script): ./v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch
21:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MslfyQ )
21:01 asciilifeform was wondering if he has the programmable verstring
21:01 asciilifeform ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html )
21:01 assbot [BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY )
21:02 mod6 that would have had to have been placed in the local pdir (patch dir) and sdir (seals dir) manually - it's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ yet
21:02 assbot Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl )
21:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30046 @ 0.00048901 = 14.6928 BTC [-] {2}
~ 43 minutes ~
21:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00048806 = 6.0519 BTC [-] {3}
22:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00049091 = 15.6109 BTC [+] {3}
22:07 thestringpuller !gettrust mframe
22:07 assbot mframe is not registered in WoT.
22:08 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349573 << i could crap out a limited subset of toolchain adequate to demonstrate workflow with/out emacs if you'd like
22:08 assbot Logged on 21-12-2015 19:45:02; jurov: ben_vulpes: do you have publicly available sample outcome of the glorious process?
22:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, signs off as 5.4
22:20 asciilifeform ah ok
22:21 mircea_popescu "blocks" : 122106 heh
22:21 mircea_popescu first 120k in ~90 mins
22:21 mod6 nb -verifyall ?
22:21 mircea_popescu ye
22:21 mod6 coo
22:24 mod6 shinohai: btw, i can walk you through getting an openbsd version going. you have to manually add some patches posted to the ML by 'phf'?
22:24 mod6 yeah phf
22:25 asciilifeform ;;seen phf
22:25 gribble phf was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 53 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <phf> or maybe it's picking up your gcc since you have it installed. homebrew compiler selection algo is all kinds of creative
22:26 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html
22:26 assbot [BTC-dev] openbsd patch ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdP6EL )
22:31 phf i'm still around, my dad died on the 10th, so i've been busy arranging his affairs
22:31 * asciilifeform takes off hat
22:31 mod6 Sorry to hear that phf.
22:32 phf so it goes
22:37 phf he was a strong willed man, and many people from former su countries paid their respects, i'd feel accomplished in life if i can live up to his legacy
22:37 mod6 <+danielpbarron> yeah appears so << did the whole thing build for you alright?
22:37 danielpbarron yes
22:37 mod6 kewl
22:38 danielpbarron still stuck on block 367850
22:39 mod6 are you trying to sync against a single node?
22:39 danielpbarron using this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350003
22:39 assbot Logged on 22-12-2015 01:19:57; asciilifeform: LC_ALL="C" /home/bitcoin/bin/bitcoind -datadir=/home/bitcoin/.bitcoin -myip=$wanip -addnode=195.211.154.159 2>&1 &
22:41 mod6 is that one Mr. P.'s node? i seem to remember maybe that one was stopped or something? asciilifeform /just/ updated Zoolag and Bucephalus
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22:41 mod6 i think he said he did anyway
22:41 mod6 maybe restart with one of these? http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes
22:41 assbot the_real_bitcoin:nodes [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkrP9b )
22:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35450 @ 0.00048698 = 17.2634 BTC [-] {2}
22:48 mircea_popescu o.O condoleances phf
22:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44843 @ 0.00049445 = 22.1726 BTC [+] {3}
22:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24657 @ 0.00049552 = 12.218 BTC [+] {2}
22:59 phf thanks, mp
~ 33 minutes ~
23:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00049595 = 7.2161 BTC [+] {2}
23:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20405 @ 0.00049607 = 10.1223 BTC [+]
23:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.0004909 = 13.0825 BTC [-]
23:58 mircea_popescu anyway, for pete_d and anyone else who might have encountered difficulty with trb or fears they might : it's actually rather painless. 1. you create an account on a server ; 2. you cd /home/account_name ; 3. you create a .wot directory (mkdir .wot) ; 4. you put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc ; 5. you download the rotor script (curl deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh > build-bitco
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23:58 mircea_popescu ind-99997K.sh) and make it executable (chmod +x build-bitcoind-99997K.sh) and then you run it (./build-bitcoind-99997K.sh). that's pretty much it, takes half hour or so, spits out an executable bitcoind (in /rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src).
23:58 mircea_popescu You can then run this with something like LC_ALL=C nohup ./bitcoind -myip=<yourip> -addnode=trusted_node_1 -addnode=trusted_node_2 -verifyall 2>&1 &
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23:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00049626 = 11.2155 BTC [+] {3}
23:59 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo (or any other ebay junkie) http://www.ebay.com/itm/USSR-SPY-KGB-Secret-Phone-line-Digital-Scrambler-GNC-9-3-9-3-/290854902161 << interesting piece of shit, with no historical record anywhere net-accessible of its existence. might make for a mega-article.
23:59 assbot USSR Spy KGB Secret Phone Line Digital Scrambler GNC 9 3 ГНЦ 9 3 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5omlP )
23:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:59 asciilifeform precious little is known about 1980s su crypto
23:59 * mircea_popescu wonders why amazon doesn't include price in page title
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