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05:52 adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt
05:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXWc0a )
05:52 deedbot- accepted: 1
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06:47 punkman https://blog.fuzzing-project.org/25-Heap-overflow-and-endless-loop-in-exfatfsck-exfat-utils.html
06:47 assbot Heap overflow and endless loop in exfatfsck / exfat-utils | The Fuzzing Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0mRcH )
06:57 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=628eVJgHD6I
06:57 assbot Wittgenstein: This is a very pleasant pineapple - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0nDXi )
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07:01 punkman http://people.umass.edu/phil335-klement-2/tlp/tlp.html the other tlp
07:01 assbot Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus ... ( http://bit.ly/204pj2U )
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09:16 mircea_popescu punkman i always wondered if he actually deliberately chose his nick that way
09:17 mircea_popescu and for the daily lol, http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/
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09:17 assbot A New Material Promises NSA-Proof Wallpaper - Defense One ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mh0OLO )
09:18 mircea_popescu by now the stupid "reporting" thing is so much a kabuki of its own you can often separate it from the actual event it parasitizes
09:18 mircea_popescu sort of like once shit dries enough, you can just pick it out of the hair of the African in question, leaving behind "clean" hair.
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09:37 mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0a4a7cef8f528ddbaf0c3255c16d89d1/tumblr_no67etsB3p1rzzxego1_500.jpg
09:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H106uF )
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09:59 mircea_popescu and from the word! department :
09:59 mircea_popescu "The question that they are answering isn't "does environment matter more than genetics?" It's a more subtle, sneaky, social-policy questionr: "since we now know that genetics isn't as deterministic as we hoped, is there something else that we can focus on which is equally out of our control? What about the goings-on in utero? So that the environment factors matter only at that time, not later? Then we can safely
09:59 mircea_popescu say that behavior is "innate" and out of our control, while still leaving us the door to intervene in people's lives for their benefit."
09:59 mircea_popescu No one in the behavioral sciences discovers something, and then constructs policy recommendations. "We learned that people are like this, so..." It's the other way around. The policies come first; the money is spent on the research that supports them. In questions about evolutionary psychology and behavior, the question they want to answer is always of the form, "how is it not the individual's fault, but we can medd
09:59 mircea_popescu le anyway?""
10:12 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/are_certain_behaviors--_and_jo.html << excellent article altogether, should be mandatory hs reading.
10:12 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Are Certain Behaviors-- And Jobs-- More Masculine? And Out Of Our Control? ... ( http://bit.ly/1H13MfJ )
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10:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40560 @ 0.00052262 = 21.1975 BTC [+] {3}
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10:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306838 <<<>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-12-2014#951694
10:47 assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 13:17:38; mircea_popescu: and for the daily lol, http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/
10:47 assbot Logged on 12-12-2014 00:01:28; asciilifeform: emp arms powered by chemical explosives are 'sexy', suck in grant money like nothing else, even deployed (!) by usa in gulf war 1 - taking a tv broadcast antenna out of action for a few hours (they had to change an amp)
10:48 mircea_popescu heh.
10:48 mircea_popescu that said, grounded wallpaper would go a long way.
10:48 asciilifeform but doesn't have to be made of unobtainium-shitanium alloy.
10:49 mircea_popescu (ftr, grounded windows are cheap and easy to make, just put mesh in between the two layers of plastic)
10:49 mircea_popescu https://in.news.yahoo.com/unexpected-discovery-comet-contains-alcohol-182309427.html << FINALLY!
10:49 assbot In unexpected discovery, comet contains alcohol, sugar - Yahoo News India ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3uNbS )
10:49 mircea_popescu poate-i vodca! poate-i vin! poate-i pipi de rechin!
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11:35 punkman mircea_popescu: or maybe that's how he chose the quote
11:41 mircea_popescu or that yah
11:51 punkman http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-October/026841.html
11:51 assbot [Cryptography] Other obvious issues being ignored? ... ( http://bit.ly/1S2F6dt )
11:51 asciilifeform punkman: it is in the logz
11:53 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298738
11:53 assbot Logged on 14-10-2015 16:32:27; asciilifeform: 'I don't care if your language lawyers tell you gcc is right. THIS WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO GET HACKED.' << this is not hundred percent idiotic. the c programming language is specified in such a way, with sufficiently pervasive 'undefined behaviours' and nonstandardized but inescapable routines, that it is ~physically impossible~ to program in it as-specified
11:56 punkman asciilifeform: I found this interesting "the STACK UB analyser found that UB code occurs in 40% of all Debian Wheezy packages (that use C)."
11:57 asciilifeform but the basic lesson, which is for some reason hidden behind a thick veil of shitsmoke, is that c is not built to be reasoned about mechanically, ergo relying on the compiler to save you from yourself is retarded.
11:57 deedbot- [Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/
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11:58 asciilifeform and the notion that it is somehow possible to program in 'strictly defined' c is a deliberate lie
11:58 asciilifeform it is not possible.
11:58 asciilifeform not for any proggy written outside of a primary school.
12:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306871 << re: cars in usa: yes, ~everyone~ is expected to drive. something, anything with wheels. even cripples - in most places here you just need one arm and one leg. there are special shops that customize the cars for this, i used to work next to one.
12:11 assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 15:57:23; deedbot-: [Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/
12:12 asciilifeform even bums will often 'drive' a motorized wheelchair thing (provided by usg, through some byzantine and ancient pension thing)
12:14 asciilifeform this sometimes leads to interesting contradictions. everywhere in usa there are strict laws against drunken driving, but if you go into a suburb you will notice pub after pub, each of them accessible ~strictly~ by car
12:15 asciilifeform (with very few exceptions, no 'respectable' person in a u.s. suburb ever sets foot inside of a bus)
12:29 punkman http://www.cbsnews.com/news/students-new-ride-after-dwi-arrest-a-barbie-jeep/
12:29 assbot Student's new ride after DWI arrest? A "Barbie Jeep" - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRjq0 )
12:29 punkman oh that's in the logs
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12:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
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13:19 mircea_popescu so apparently there's a hurricane headed for mexico that's well twice the size of katrina
13:20 mod6 I've been to that place many times: Puerto Vallarta.
13:20 mircea_popescu aha
13:21 mod6 nice town. probably will take a long time to rebuild. they had a hurricane that hit back in like 2002 or 2003 that hit them pretty hard, probably not nearly as bad as this though
13:21 mircea_popescu yeah looks monstrous.
13:22 mod6 yeah, gigantic cloud mass.
13:25 mircea_popescu in random internet lulz, http://somethingsensitive.com/index.php?topic=581.0
13:25 assbot Goons Tell us Why Reddit is Bad, Describe SomethingAwful.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3Vtt1 )
13:25 asciilifeform l0l launchpad mcquack
13:25 asciilifeform in-joke. character was based, by some accounts, on john mccain
13:25 asciilifeform (crashed every machine he climbed into)
13:27 mircea_popescu but those accounts only popped up once mccain was in the news, whereas the cartoon looks like silver age/HB
13:27 asciilifeform aha. but m's flying career was long over by the time launchpad appeared.
13:27 asciilifeform at any rate, legend.
13:29 mircea_popescu the fact that republicans have a knack for this is kinda strange. recall the bush record ? BOTH of them ?
13:29 asciilifeform aha
13:29 mircea_popescu anyway, if you ever saw hot shots, the base commander there is also a sort of mccain/mcduck
13:29 asciilifeform simple explanation
13:29 asciilifeform flying was (is?) considered a 'blueblood' thing
13:30 asciilifeform the only peculiar thing about being an admiral's son and another admiral's grandson is that you get to crash machine after machine
13:30 asciilifeform instead of 'flying the mahogany bomber' after the first one.
13:32 mircea_popescu i don't even see much of a problem with tha.t
13:32 asciilifeform no?
13:33 asciilifeform how about the idiot brit officers with their purchased commissions, leading 'charges of the light brigade' one after another ?
13:33 asciilifeform eventually summed to zero
13:34 mircea_popescu how about the "i know you've won the war mr wellington, but what have you done for us lately???"
13:34 mircea_popescu also eventually sums to zero.
13:35 mircea_popescu in any case the reference is particularly weak - the officers in question ACTUALLY LED THE CHARGE. ie, were there.
13:36 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/17bOit3.gif << notbad.
13:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3Xjdx )
13:42 mircea_popescu apparently "biotruther" is a word, now. what libertards call people who know biology that's not been approved by the global warming committee
13:42 asciilifeform see also 'hatefact'
13:44 mircea_popescu is that irl or just meta ?
13:44 asciilifeform ;;google hatefact
13:44 gribble 10 Hatefacts for Those Who Hate Facts - Taki's Magazine: <http://takimag.com/article/10_hatefacts_for_those_who_hate_facts_gavin_mcinnes/print>; Alternative Right: FIVE HISTORICAL HATEFACTS: <http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2014/03/five-historical-hatefacts.html>; Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: #62. "Hate Facts": (1 more message)
13:44 mircea_popescu ie, do the idiots use it themselves or is it just a fuck me
13:44 shinohai Good afternoon, #bitcoin-assets. Anyone here care to make a recommendation for a replacement of my lappy that just died?
13:44 asciilifeform shinohai: plenty of unrecommendations
13:44 shinohai so I don't fuck up and buy a bad machine again
13:44 asciilifeform shinohai: THERE IS NO TOLERABLE LAPTOP
13:45 * asciilifeform spent many, many k-usd establishing this
13:45 mircea_popescu ibm thinkpad.
13:46 mircea_popescu 2004 edition.
13:46 shinohai Me too. I bought two of these shiity Dell i3's last year. One died within 6 months, other died yesterday.
13:46 * asciilifeform had this very box
13:46 asciilifeform but i assumed that 1024x768 and a pen-800 is not shinohai's idea of usable.
13:47 asciilifeform the other thing is that batteries are not to be had for vintage lappy
13:47 mircea_popescu you kidding ? i bought dozens.
13:48 shinohai Buy old batteries, zap with welder. win.
13:48 asciilifeform and they hold a charge ?
13:48 asciilifeform these things sucked donkey balls when they were new..
13:48 asciilifeform (1-2 hrs.)
13:48 mircea_popescu ~4.
13:49 asciilifeform 4 in first month of life, and if screen is at 10%, and cpu is idle...
13:49 shinohai So if anyone needs good touchscreens, I got 'em lol.
13:49 mircea_popescu so buy 50
13:50 mircea_popescu and throw them in the regular garbage, too. teach the plebs a lesson.
13:50 asciilifeform li ion cells age on the shelf
13:51 mircea_popescu the chinese keep making them. seriously, the batteries i bought were so much younger than the laptop it'd have been pedophillia.
13:51 mircea_popescu luckily the battery goes into the laptop rather than the other way around os all good.
13:52 asciilifeform anyway requirements of 'laptop for mircea_popescu's missile launch codes' and for civilian use are not quite same.
13:52 shinohai I rather expected something to go wrong. The day I get my sdr in the mail, lappy takes a shit.
13:53 asciilifeform a year or so ago i chronicled (see logz!) my attempts to get a toshiba 'libretto 100ct' vintage ultraportable going with something like a reasonable unix
13:54 asciilifeform i had one when i was in school, and it worked great. but today - nope. because go and try to install freebsd 4.7 - where do you get the packages? gonna patch by hand ?
13:54 asciilifeform spend whole life ?
13:55 asciilifeform ended up with barely usable openbsd. 500mSec or so delay on fopen() !!! because no ram left over (from the 64M) for disk caching
13:55 asciilifeform because apparently there IS NO SUCH THING as unbloated unix to be had ANYWHERE today
13:55 shinohai So finish your OS asciilifeform and save us from this package maintenance hell.
13:55 asciilifeform shinohai: i don't do x86 os.
13:55 shinohai :(
13:56 asciilifeform shinohai: do you know the story of the spittoon ?
13:57 asciilifeform shinohai: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rG1TxJt2
13:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJyjqF )
13:58 * shinohai reads
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14:13 shinohai well I daresay *that* was an interesting tale asciilifeform
14:14 asciilifeform shinohai: understand how it applies ?
14:15 shinohai I may need to mull it over moar ...
14:18 shinohai If I can avoid drinking the whole damned spitoon, I would try to avoid it.
14:19 asciilifeform shinohai: thing is, anything to do with 'i want a WORKING OS with WORKING PROGRAMS' is the entire spittoon.
14:19 asciilifeform it is relatively simple if you are mircea_popescu and the only thing that needs to run is lynx and gpg 1.4
14:20 * shinohai was just busting asciilifeform's balls
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14:49 mircea_popescu acrtually this laptop runs firefox, vlc etc
14:49 asciilifeform but does it ~build~ them
14:49 asciilifeform BUILD
14:50 mircea_popescu sure.
14:50 mircea_popescu dynamic, but sure.
14:50 mircea_popescu not that it has to, but for curiosity.
14:50 mircea_popescu takes a day.
14:51 asciilifeform i was actually not speaking of laptops, but explaining to shinohai that 'make a usable system from scratch with no modern code' is a spittoon
14:52 mircea_popescu not like it's useful anyway, the difference between "run this binary" and "build" is absent in thos context
14:52 asciilifeform as for firefox, it is barely usable (much less buildable) on my desktop iron
14:52 asciilifeform so i can't fathom what kind of masochist would run it on an old pen
14:53 mircea_popescu but it's firefox 16 or some shit. 11 ? i dont even recall.
14:53 asciilifeform (thing leaks perhaps a gb/hr)
14:53 asciilifeform ahahahahaha then it's the one that lets arbitrary www load arbitrary files from your disk.
14:53 asciilifeform (every firefox until a few wks ago, known.)
14:53 mircea_popescu possibly.
14:54 mircea_popescu it's not a secure machine or anything, watch movies in bed off its 10gb hdd
14:55 asciilifeform aha
14:55 asciilifeform so this sheds no light on the building of general-purpose box.
14:55 mircea_popescu yes it does. a general purpose box is the next best thing
14:55 mircea_popescu after a general-gendered wife.
14:56 asciilifeform ('general purpose' to be understood as a box on which one might, e.g., write code.)
14:56 mircea_popescu i dun think i ever wrote a trilema article on it.
14:56 * mircea_popescu is very peculiar about kbds. laptop kbd no good.
14:57 asciilifeform and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
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14:57 mircea_popescu strangely, yes, that one's fine.
14:57 asciilifeform did it even... have keys?
14:57 mircea_popescu nope.
14:57 asciilifeform looked mighty flat
14:57 mircea_popescu but i disover the problem with me actually is SIZE. as in, gotta be this long.
14:58 asciilifeform aha or where to put hands.
14:58 mircea_popescu ya that too. "oh you could put the laptop on a table" well fuck you then, i could jkuist use a kbd ?
14:59 asciilifeform a good deal of modern hardware looks as if it were designed for inhabitants of some other planet
14:59 asciilifeform perhaps where they have tentacles.
14:59 mircea_popescu Planet Kindergarten
15:02 mircea_popescu in unrelated news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/bc7db6cc510a0b6b1a6010fc419cb236/tumblr_nkhjav369P1taid38o1_400.gif
15:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZIqG2 )
15:03 asciilifeform idk how mircea_popescu does it. typing on a kbd with no springs is like fucking a surface with no hole
15:04 asciilifeform yes, it is possible... but borders on redefinition
15:04 mircea_popescu i was corrupted by easy credit.
15:04 asciilifeform l0lwat
15:05 mircea_popescu i dunno, just, somehow, they dun bother me.
15:14 * asciilifeform notices that 90+% of traditional gentoo mirrors in his records are dead
15:15 mircea_popescu obsolete technologye.
15:15 asciilifeform 99% of a typical build time on my box is just churning through dead mirrors.
15:16 mircea_popescu use deedbot ?
15:16 asciilifeform complicated. most aren't 100% dead
15:16 asciilifeform just missing essentials, selectively.
15:16 asciilifeform and not one is 100% healthy.
15:16 asciilifeform nor even 50.
15:16 mircea_popescu quite why.
15:17 mircea_popescu take the time sometime and make the mirror.
15:17 asciilifeform and get the tarballs where ?
15:17 asciilifeform time machine ?
15:17 asciilifeform i suppose one possible place would be my own disk...
15:18 * asciilifeform puts this on list of what to do with the replacement for dulap, when such appears
15:20 asciilifeform i cannot escape the observation that i am keeping alive a very sad and sickly thing
15:20 asciilifeform but there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR IT
15:21 asciilifeform and much of the disease is not specific to this one linux variant but to the entire ecosystem
15:22 asciilifeform gentoo simply appears to be the worst-looking horse in the glue factory on account of not having a protective coating of bullshit
15:22 asciilifeform (namely, in other distros you are not trying to ~build~ the world, and are not thus exposed to the fact that most of it is not deterministically buildable any more without generous helpings of blood magic)
15:25 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/another_diagnosis_of_schizophr.html >> quite worth a read.
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15:25 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Another Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia, This Time With Cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZJvO5 )
15:25 mircea_popescu "so toxoplasmosis is basically a conspiracy against rat's best interests ?" "no. it's basically a selected accident. all the other accidents that didn't close the cycle didn't live to get a name."?
15:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70432 @ 0.00053239 = 37.4973 BTC [+] {3}
15:36 jurov tangentially related, i have done the mistake of emerging pypy and enabling it systemwide
15:37 jurov since there is no gento pypy maintainer, it's running into dep problems
15:39 jurov more and more
15:39 jurov but have not noticed any mirror problems
15:40 mircea_popescu in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc.
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16:10 mats morning qts
16:10 ben_vulpes wb mats
16:11 mats thx m8
16:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20061 @ 0.00053834 = 10.7996 BTC [+] {3}
16:22 mircea_popescu what's a qt ?
16:22 mats cutie.
16:24 mircea_popescu o hey.
16:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44282 @ 0.00054173 = 23.9889 BTC [+] {4}
16:27 mircea_popescu in other news, finding http://33.media.tumblr.com/41f654aec95486dfcf3d548c496de998/tumblr_nqjcrdlQRa1r2svjro1_500.gif erotic
16:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJRtwt )
16:28 mircea_popescu correlates with a high probability of being a dangerous pedophile.
16:29 thestringpuller that looks extremely difficult,.
16:29 mircea_popescu not if she's 9.
16:30 thestringpuller that girl doesn't look 9
16:30 thestringpuller (looks are deceptive etc)
16:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00054224 = 13.7729 BTC [+] {4}
16:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/07/why_a_story_about_russian_spie_1.html << i lollered.
16:41 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Why A Story About Russian Spies Who Use Facebook? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJSLaX )
16:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34097 @ 0.00054257 = 18.5 BTC [+] {2}
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17:11 adlai trinque: deedbot.org is not showing the latest deed
17:11 adlai (which had to be submitted twice)
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76100 @ 0.0005393 = 41.0407 BTC [-] {2}
17:21 trinque adlai: might have to do with whenever the last block happened
17:21 trinque but I'll look at it
17:23 trinque adlai: I only see you subitting something once
17:23 trinque *submitting
17:24 adlai !s http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt
17:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXWc0a )
17:24 assbot 2 results for 'http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdpaste.com%2F19HFTMB.txt
17:25 trinque right, when you say "had to be submitted twice" I expected that it didn't accept one of them
17:28 adlai first time, it didn't deed at all; second time got notarized in block 380163, but doesn't show up on deedbot.org
17:30 trinque btcd is barfing on the transaction for some reason
17:30 trinque adlai: I'll figure it out, ping ya when I do
17:30 adlai np
17:32 adlai deedbot put the hash in the blockchain, assbot put the content in the cloud, what more does a man need?
17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7717 @ 0.0005393 = 4.1618 BTC [-] {2}
17:46 mats silk boxers
17:55 trinque adlai: he got ahead of himself and double-spent an output, then lost track of which output to use. I've fixed the db, and expect that he's back on track.
17:56 trinque today I'm actually working on his replacement, which when complete I will provide sources. I'm starting from the bottom (stay online, keep your nick, no seriously) so do not know when it will be complete.
17:58 adlai why not cannibalize existing works?
17:58 trinque because that's what led to this.
17:58 trinque I'm not doing it with duct tape this time
17:59 adlai well you must be using some 'bedrock'
17:59 trinque heh, if you have a proposal, make it!
18:00 trinque every bot I've used, someone highly recommended it, and then I end up having to hit the thing with a wrench to do what I'd expect should come with the definition of "IRC bot"
18:01 adlai cl-irc is good, it doesn't support sasl but you don't necessarily need that
18:02 trinque by good, do you mean it will detect when freenode thinks it has not connected, but it has in fact reconnected?
18:02 trinque and it will subsequently grab its nick back?
18:03 adlai no, but you'll have an easier time building that with the condition system than if you're using $blub
18:04 trinque yep, I am going to use CL
18:04 trinque I've only been farting around yet, so I'll see if I like cl-irc
18:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00054257 = 9.929 BTC [+] {2}
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18:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61300 @ 0.00054339 = 33.3098 BTC [+] {4}
19:00 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306989 << i figured it was his eulora machine seeing as how the photo included a list of base prices for items commonly traded
19:00 assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 18:57:10; asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
19:05 kakobrekla https://gcaptain.com/there-is-a-huge-backlog-of-ships-waiting-to-pass-through-the-panama-canal/ < increase the blocksize nao!!
19:05 assbot There Is a Huge Backlog of Ships Waiting to Pass Through the Panama Canal - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwjQu )
19:12 ben_vulpes http://www.spacebuckets.com/materials << rails. takes 2.9 seconds to serve...a hobby site.
19:12 assbot START YOUR JOURNEY | Space Buckets ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwDPj )
19:12 ben_vulpes remind me to rhapsodize about 'turbo links' some day.
19:13 asciilifeform wawat
19:14 ben_vulpes eh, pipe to haus is slow. still, nearly a whole second from my aws instance.
19:21 shinohai https://loanbase.com/ <<< 3 points xD
19:21 assbot Loanbase: Bitcoin Lending Done Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rux641 )
19:21 mircea_popescu ahaha wut.
19:22 mircea_popescu nothing says "done right" more than spurious name parasitism. really.
19:22 mircea_popescu Mike - eyewear done right!
19:23 mircea_popescu Bouboutin, hats done right!
19:23 mircea_popescu Wenessy, breaks and shocks, done right!
19:24 mircea_popescu come to tyhink abo0ut it, one could open a whole fast food chain / pizzeria call it DeLay
19:24 mircea_popescu "It's not our fault - it's in the name!"
19:25 asciilifeform crunchy frog (tm) (r)
19:26 mircea_popescu Sandy Beaches Brothels.
19:26 shinohai lol @ crunchy frog
19:27 shinohai Am I an asshole if I go there and get a loan then default ?
19:28 mircea_popescu i would expect that is the default.
19:28 mircea_popescu Bankrupt ? It's not your fault, it's default!
19:28 adlai http://support.loanbase.com/hc/en-us/articles/202063482
19:28 assbot When the loan purpose is building reputation, is it possible to withdraw the funds? – LoanBase Help Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ruxrn6 )
19:29 mircea_popescu im not gonna click
19:29 adlai tl;dr "no"
19:30 mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/d4ace669ad744c1724c91318264797d0/tumblr_nt8hwwVTzu1tra78fo1_400.gif
19:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ruxy26 )
19:30 asciilifeform wat
19:31 * asciilifeform didn't know mircea_popescu went in for... this
19:31 mircea_popescu in what ?
19:32 asciilifeform whatever this is called.
19:32 mircea_popescu loanbase ? trannyfucking ?
19:33 asciilifeform the latter.
19:33 shinohai There used to be a tranny pr0n site that accepted btc for subscriptions.
19:33 shinohai I blew 0.1 buying subs for people I hate.
19:35 mircea_popescu did it do anything ?
19:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can't say i do, but what, it should be banished now ?
19:36 asciilifeform l0l
19:37 mircea_popescu "I've rarely met an ADHD kid who sleeps enough, and I've never met an ADHD adult or adolescent who does. When a kid is sleep deprived, he gets hyper; they are too tired to be inhibited, too tired to exert self-control."
19:37 mircea_popescu this is actually a very interesting theory.
19:37 shinohai To each his/her own.
19:39 trinque adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end
19:39 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today.
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19:39 assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxXSb )
19:39 trinque this is the kind of shit that drives me crazy
19:39 asciilifeform the underside of my sorry hovel. turns out, the water hookup is THROUGH A RUBBER HOSE
19:39 asciilifeform (center, by the support column)
19:40 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/oTRtC00 << left: the biggest spiders i've ever seen outside of a collection
19:40 assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxZJI )
19:42 asciilifeform the white cables: 220v.
19:44 * mats doesn't see any spiders
19:44 asciilifeform on the wall.
19:44 mats nvm.
19:57 mircea_popescu !up Garmin
19:57 mircea_popescu but where doesw the cock go ?!
19:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you fucking nut.
19:58 mircea_popescu those are crickets.
19:58 asciilifeform but they don't crick..
19:58 mircea_popescu so ?
19:58 asciilifeform defective!
20:00 mircea_popescu "the greatest peacock i ever saw!" "that's a human from rockefeller center" "but i see no penis ?!?!"
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20:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00054426 = 13.4704 BTC [+] {2}
20:34 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/nyt%20obama%20altered.jpg << bwahahaha
20:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/205hBFJ )
20:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ check it out
20:45 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b3
20:45 mircea_popescu o.O
20:45 mircea_popescu ;;market
20:46 gribble Error: "market" is not a valid command.
20:46 mircea_popescu da fuck was it
20:46 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
20:46 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.63, Best ask: 285.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 285.56, 24 hour volume: 15452.3532551, 24 hour low: 279.7, 24 hour high: 286.22, 24 hour vwap: None
20:46 mircea_popescu dumbass vc "losing interest" is the best thing that ever happened to bitcoin huh.
20:47 shinohai Helping a friend in Brasil set up realbitcoin, trying to get him up to speed on gpg so he can come here.
20:48 mircea_popescu cool
20:48 mircea_popescu are you from brasil ?
20:56 shinohai I'm not, just a guy I have known since I started bitcoin a few years ago.
20:58 mircea_popescu a ok
21:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40621 @ 0.00054427 = 22.1088 BTC [+]
21:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17683 @ 0.0005393 = 9.5364 BTC [-] {2}
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21:39 gabriel_laddel !s Wouter Basson
21:39 assbot 0 results for 'Wouter Basson' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wouter+Basson
21:39 gabriel_laddel !s Lothar Neethling
21:39 assbot 0 results for 'Lothar Neethling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar+Neethling
21:40 gabriel_laddel !s Lothar's potion
21:40 assbot 0 results for 'Lothar's potion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar%27s+potion
21:42 mircea_popescu "There is absolutely no way that anyone who reads The Economist can have concluded that Europe has surpassed America in anything not involving riots, in the way that no one who reads Maxim can conclude that acne is in vogue."
21:42 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: have you, or will you be emailing any of the gentoo mirror maintainers asking around for backups?
21:43 gabriel_laddel I was shocked to find out that they only keep the couple most recent versions of everything in the master repository.
21:43 gabriel_laddel wtf is the *point* if I can't go back in time to something stable.
21:44 mircea_popescu the point is appearing to do a job.
21:44 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: no. see thread.
21:45 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i will be publishing my personal stash.
21:46 mircea_popescu q : is there a way to actually publish this as a discrete item ?
21:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what would this mean ?
21:46 mircea_popescu or is it an utter and impredictable mess in the manner of everything else foss ?
21:47 asciilifeform it's a gigantic dir full of tar.gz
21:47 mircea_popescu that by doing [this thing to do] i now have _everything_.
21:47 asciilifeform it is not everything. merely everything asciilifeform's cockpit has.
21:47 asciilifeform at least such that was 'emerge'-d
21:48 mircea_popescu so "no using any videocards ascii never used" ?
21:48 asciilifeform nope.
21:48 asciilifeform however, this doesn't leave many
21:48 asciilifeform pretty sure i even had a 'tseng' at some point.
21:48 mircea_popescu so it technically is just another bad mirror ?
21:48 asciilifeform and a (pci!) 'hercules.'
21:48 asciilifeform 'there are many bad mirrors, this one is mine'
21:49 mircea_popescu right.
21:49 asciilifeform but it is guaranteed to add up to a civilized box.
21:49 mircea_popescu i don't mean to impugn, btw.
21:49 mircea_popescu just... this is a structural fucking problem.
21:49 asciilifeform that's sorta what i was trying to explain to shinohai.
21:49 mircea_popescu yeah i guess, coming at same from diff path
21:52 mircea_popescu "They are better educated than previous generations and they were raised by baby boomers who lavished a lot of attention on their children," said Andrew Kohut [the director of the Pew Research Center.]
21:52 mircea_popescu WRONGALONGADINGDONG. They're not better educated, they just have more degrees.
21:52 mircea_popescu heh.
21:52 mircea_popescu one day i'll meet the usian who is better educated than people in the 50s.
21:52 mircea_popescu and it'll be a russian/irani/whatever.
21:52 asciilifeform pew?! what next, we quote völkischer beobachter ?
21:53 asciilifeform 'the secret strange hole in his dubious pew' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu's www)
21:53 mircea_popescu i am quoting tlp who quoted him!
21:53 asciilifeform ah!
21:53 asciilifeform l0l
21:54 mircea_popescu that makes it ok!
21:54 mircea_popescu lol.
21:54 mircea_popescu shit, i wrote that didn't i. pretty cool.
21:55 gabriel_laddel Does any commercial Lisp IDE have a fast autocomplete that works like "apropos at point" ie, across all packages?
21:55 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: afaik there is precisely 1 commercial common lisp ide
21:55 asciilifeform lispworks
21:55 asciilifeform but afaik nobody uses it, most folks run emacs+slime even there.
21:55 asciilifeform but iirc it does have apropos.
21:56 asciilifeform if you must... grap the eval version from their www, see for yourself.
22:06 mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/1b298dbb6a9a973d3f32d678cba08957/tumblr_ns4sg8CQ7T1uc86zfo1_500.gif << how about sporty chicks ?
22:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO8Mf1 )
22:15 mats at least its not a tranny this time
22:20 mircea_popescu tough crowd eh
22:20 mircea_popescu fine, how about sluts in heels ? http://38.media.tumblr.com/277cea03b111a9664d3a3d2b7334ee24/tumblr_nspl9lFAKl1tvjjruo1_400.gif
22:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO9N6F )
22:21 gabriel_laddel How about a working linux?!
22:21 gabriel_laddel O wait
22:21 asciilifeform ^
22:22 gabriel_laddel http://imgur.com/NK8gdQd
22:22 assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO9Say )
22:22 gabriel_laddel All that CLIM, all that desktop.
22:23 mats i miss summer already
22:23 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: spiffy
22:23 mats laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice
22:23 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: how laggy is it ?
22:24 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: the debugger works too!
22:24 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: not at all
22:24 asciilifeform the other thing is that i always fucking hated athena
22:24 gabriel_laddel If I get like 30 views in climacs, that slows
22:24 asciilifeform can't stand it
22:24 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel sluts are way easier.
22:25 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: athena?
22:25 mircea_popescu <mats> laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice << you know ba weather is nude indoors weather throughout the year.
22:25 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the ancient mit project from which those gui elements (e.g. the scroll bar) came
22:25 asciilifeform the 'default ghastly gui of x11'
22:25 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: ah. Well at some point I'll have someone fix it up all nice and minimalist.
22:26 asciilifeform afaik with clim it's athena or nothing.
22:26 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.82672004 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b4
22:27 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: nah, there is one other.
22:27 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: pixie or something like that
22:28 gabriel_laddel (the pixie "look and feel" doesn't work with tabs though)
22:28 asciilifeform so it's garbage.
22:28 mats mircea_popescu: i'm envious. boston is under siege during the winter... i believe last year was the snowiest on record, ~110in
22:28 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: fixing only the tabs is easy
22:29 mircea_popescu yeah, i lived there.
22:29 gabriel_laddel how to geometry
22:29 mircea_popescu brutal. practically sweden.
22:29 mircea_popescu pronounced snowed-in
22:31 mats hue.
22:31 mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/c80020b1c225b7fc5d20c5d95f8e0128/tumblr_mlzz0fq9bd1s9ngl0o1_1280.jpg << this is known in french as "l'embarras du choix", which means "the shame of the cauliflower".
22:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1POapcv )
22:31 mircea_popescu because the french are that weird.
22:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62767 @ 0.00053485 = 33.5709 BTC [-] {2}
22:40 gabriel_laddel apropos of nothing: if anyone here is addicted to coffee, and finds that caffine pills don't cut it, I've found that brand EasyUp works WONDERS.
22:41 mats i'm seeing a lot of results for tents with the 'easyup' search query
22:42 mats and something known as a 'paramotor', which is kinda cool.
22:42 gabriel_laddel ;; google easy up wake up aid - take tonight. wake up easier & alert tomorrow morning amazon
22:42 gribble Easy Up - Wake Up Aid - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/TryEasyUp>; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: ZzzQuil Nighttime Sleep-Aid ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Zzzquil-Nighttime-Sleep-aid-Liquid-Warming/product-reviews/B007OSBYRY>; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: The Sleepeasy Solution: The ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Sleepeasy-Solution-Exhausted-Parents/product- (1 more message)
22:43 gabriel_laddel useless google
22:43 mircea_popescu !up btc
22:43 mircea_popescu srsly, that nick's not taken ?
22:43 gabriel_laddel http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Up%C2%AE-Wake-Up-Aid/dp/B0081UVHPI
22:43 assbot Amazon.com: Easy Up® Wake Up Aid - Take Tonight. Wake Up Easier & Alert Tomorrow Morning - 36 Night Supply: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb4uH )
22:44 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel why not just have some coffee ?
22:44 btc hi
22:44 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b5
22:44 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I drink about 2 pots a day without it sometimes.
22:44 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: the amout of liquid is irritating.
22:44 mircea_popescu ...
22:44 mircea_popescu a) you should drink about a gallon of water a day ; b) if you don't like how much coffee you drink just make a point of drinking a little less each day for a while ?
22:45 mircea_popescu who're you btc ?
22:45 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I try to make a point of drinking less, and it works. for a while. then I'm back to a pot or two a day.
22:46 mircea_popescu so make a point of paying attention for longer ?
22:46 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I need it to think.
22:46 gabriel_laddel (IMHO, I actually need some sort of medication, but have not really looked into it)
22:46 mircea_popescu yesyes.
22:49 mircea_popescu it is taken.
22:50 gabriel_laddel Does anyone have some "grey goo pipe dreams" re mechanical program optimization?
22:50 gabriel_laddel If you do, I'd love to hear them.
22:56 mats modafinil is p great.
22:56 gabriel_laddel mats: doesn't work for me...
22:57 gabriel_laddel my thoughts get all disjointed, but then again, I've only tried the racemic stuff
22:57 mircea_popescu honestly, if i actually needed some substance to think i would probably drop everything and go shoot bears for a while.
22:58 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: you have that option.
22:58 asciilifeform ^^
22:58 asciilifeform cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick
22:58 gabriel_laddel furthermore, I have actually quit coffee now, twice.
22:58 mircea_popescu omg teh haet.
22:58 gabriel_laddel but I dislike being 'sober'.
22:59 gabriel_laddel or uncaffinated, or whatever you want to call it.
22:59 gabriel_laddel It's boring.
22:59 mats well, if you'd like to try non racemics, guess I'll shill mymodafinil.com and its armodafinil
22:59 mircea_popescu problem is - drunkedness is strictly for people who don't dislike being sober.
22:59 mats discount if invoice paid with buttcoins
23:00 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: pardon?
23:00 asciilifeform mats: did you personally analyze it ?
23:00 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel it's a paradoxical thing, what can i say.
23:00 mats whaddya mean? lab test?
23:00 asciilifeform yes
23:00 asciilifeform as in, wtf is actually in that spam pill.
23:01 asciilifeform last i checked, every spamarmacy is actually shipping indian adrafinil, which rots the liver.
23:01 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I simply don't understand what you're saying.
23:01 mircea_popescu this is probab le.
23:01 danielpbarron asciilifeform> cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick << or a Bible
23:01 mats no. but my understanding is that the operators buy the generics from indian rx mfgs and resell the stuff
23:01 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel that not liking being sober is a very poor reason to be drunk. or whatever you call it.
23:01 mats well nao...
23:02 mats guess it's a good thing I've only consumed a few dozen of em
23:02 asciilifeform mats: recrystallize a few pills and find the melting point (it isn't hard.) you might be in for a surprise.
23:02 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I agree with you, but the *amount of work* I get done when caffinated, and the amount of fun I have doing it makes it simply impossible to do otherwise.
23:02 gabriel_laddel I'm an addict, what can I say.
23:03 mats I know next to nothing about chemistry
23:03 asciilifeform mats: this experiment does not require a first class education in it.
23:03 mats what if there's filler besides the moda? etc.
23:03 asciilifeform hence you recrystallize
23:03 asciilifeform (find what the active substance dissolves in which the fillers do not.)
23:03 asciilifeform rinse, repeat (literally)
23:03 mircea_popescu etoh ?
23:04 mats the most experience I've had with testing chemicals is using various reagents to ensure I was consuming actual mdma
23:04 mats but I'll give it a go, soon as I acquire a hot plate
23:05 mircea_popescu can make out of wire and battery.
23:05 mircea_popescu depending on wire thickness, either the wire or the battery shall be the hot plate.
23:05 mats for folks curious about moda, gwern had written extensively on the subject
23:05 asciilifeform interestingly, if mircea_popescu were to take a dose of modafinil (racemic or isomeric, pick whichever) he would notice NOTHING AT ALL
23:05 asciilifeform guaranteed.
23:05 mats has*
23:05 asciilifeform and i bet mats knows why.
23:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's probable. i have a poor reaction to many of these.
23:06 asciilifeform no i mean literally NOTHING
23:06 asciilifeform no side effect either.
23:06 mircea_popescu whyssat ?
23:06 asciilifeform because it is a very peculiar kind of dope, which does (as far as most folks notice, or - for the most part - across a few million eaters / a few decades of sales) precisely one thing.
23:06 asciilifeform simulates a full night of sleep.
23:07 mircea_popescu lol that's fucking useless.
23:07 asciilifeform for mircea_popescu - guaranteed useless.
23:07 mircea_popescu "take this pill, it simulates taking a piss" "or i could... take a piss ?" "yes, of course".
23:08 asciilifeform countdown to broomstick...
23:08 mats I mostly used it to retain cognitive power and wakefulness for studying binges and v late nights
23:08 * mircea_popescu never binge studied either. wtf, if it's not worth reading normally it's not worth reading.
23:09 * mircea_popescu also started his final thesis in college 5 months early, and was done with it about a month and a half before it was supposed to be turned in.
23:09 mats http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2654794/
23:09 assbot Mechanisms of modafinil: A review of current research ... ( http://bit.ly/1POdbhS )
23:09 mats topical
23:10 mats curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
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23:10 mats ;;later tell bingoboingo haro, ^
23:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:10 gabriel_laddel mats: I'm curious as to why you're curious as to BB's opinion?
23:10 mircea_popescu other than peterl, bb is like the resident chemist huh
23:11 gabriel_laddel ?!
23:11 gabriel_laddel since when?
23:11 mats did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?
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23:11 mircea_popescu since when he keeps ranting about chem topics ? dunno.
23:11 mircea_popescu alf too, but alf only took a kindergarten level chemistry class
23:11 mircea_popescu so he doesn't count.
23:11 gabriel_laddel riiiigt
23:11 mod6 haha
23:11 gabriel_laddel *riiight.
23:12 mats I liked moda because it was, for me, an adderall without the negative effects,
23:12 mircea_popescu you lot could just as well have a glass of water and go takle a nap.
23:12 asciilifeform aaaaaha sure.
23:12 asciilifeform on dirigible.
23:13 asciilifeform in the magical room where you only do things you want to do.
23:13 mircea_popescu this shit isn't free. in the time you took to research it and the time it takes you to earn what it costs you coulda caught up on sleep.
23:13 trinque I would wager this is more to do with "wow, this is what a smart person must feel like" and thereby actually doing some work than the effect of the chemical.
23:13 mats e.g. distracting euphoria, I could still sleep while on the tail end of a 100mg dosage 7-8hrs in
23:13 mircea_popescu trinque you know that AWESOME tlp article on placebo ?
23:13 trinque no but I will now want to search it out
23:13 mircea_popescu lemme feed it to you.
23:13 trinque ty
23:13 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/no_one_likes_a_sure_thing.html
23:13 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: No One Likes A Sure Thing ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBmRx )
23:13 asciilifeform mats: you can actually sleep ~immediately~ after eating whatever dosage.
23:14 asciilifeform mats: try it if you don't believe.
23:14 mircea_popescu i just had the girls lined up with their mouths open while i swore as to the various aspects
23:14 gabriel_laddel I'm rather envious of the 50s. You could get benzedrine otc, and it was widely used by e.g., Norbert Wiener
23:14 mats asciilifeform: I believe, have done so on a few occasions
23:14 mircea_popescu "no, parkinson, this is a legitimately defined disease with a biological backing. no, he is actually measuring the chemistry involved, dopamine. no, actually." etc
23:14 mats when I was apparently too exhausted, or perhaps took an insubstantial dosage
23:15 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i got benzadrine otc here. asked for cyclobenzapyrine, derp showed up with benzos.
23:15 gabriel_laddel benzos != benzadrine
23:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not the muscle relaxant!!
23:15 mircea_popescu yes.
23:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in 1950s usa, 'benzo' meant benzoamphetamine.
23:16 mircea_popescu oh, he actually meant amphetamine ? mkay.
23:16 gabriel_laddel yep.
23:16 asciilifeform (not, say, benzodiazepine)
23:16 gabriel_laddel widely used in the war effort.
23:16 mircea_popescu icnow.
23:16 asciilifeform in every country there was a separate name for it, for some odd reason
23:16 gabriel_laddel I asked someone who was around, he claims that he "couldn't distinguish it from coffee"
23:16 asciilifeform germany and anything warsaw pact say 'pervitin' (nazi brand) - folks will recognize.
23:16 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel you have any idea whbat the tolerance to benzo-* is like ?
23:16 mircea_popescu after a few years you can take it by the gram.
23:17 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: not really.
23:17 asciilifeform actually the relevant piece here is mircea_popescu's own 'how to smoke' article.
23:17 asciilifeform (don't be an idiot and eat $dope every day)
23:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is the article about how to feed whores caviar.
23:17 asciilifeform hm. perhaps was thinking of another.
23:17 asciilifeform there was one about how to smoke, i distincly recally.
23:18 asciilifeform *distinctly
23:18 mircea_popescu i sometimes repeat myself.
23:18 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/caviarul-si-fata/ < one i was thinking of.
23:18 assbot Caviarul si fata on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBCja )
23:18 mircea_popescu "I. Ersteklasse. Crema a ceea ce poate oferi natura, icrele cele mai bune, din care in principiu un cetatean, oricit de bogat s-ar gasi, are totusi a consuma cantitati limitate, dintr-un motiv foarte simplu : daca nu alternezi cu produse inferioare te vei obisnui, si-apoi te vei deprima. Oamenii inteligenti le gusta lunar si traiesc fericiti pina la adinci batrineti."
23:19 mircea_popescu "the cream of what nature can offer, best roe, of which in principle a person no matter how rich still should only consume limited amounts for a very simple reason : if you do not alternate with inferior product you wiull become used to it, and then depressed. intelligent people eat it once a month and live happilly ever after."
23:19 asciilifeform ^^^^
23:20 asciilifeform entirely pertinent, even if the wrong article.
23:20 mircea_popescu thinking about it, i do recall i also said about smoking.
23:20 asciilifeform 'used to it, then depressed' followed by 'can't quit usa because that's where they serve up $x'
23:20 mircea_popescu lol. you are not at all far off.
23:21 mircea_popescu perhaps travelling by bus is now much more obviously comprehensible.
23:21 * asciilifeform speaks with the studded and corpulent anal pineapple of experience
23:26 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/dodi/2015/dodd-5205-14.pdf >>>>>> http://dpaste.com/32ACSQ3.txt << lulzy, possibly qntra material ?
23:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBVe4 )
23:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBXCJ )
23:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:27 asciilifeform 'The Department of Defense shall work with other U.S. Government (USG) departments and agencies and with partner nations to deny, disrupt, or defeat and degrade adversariesÂ’ ability to use global licit and illicit financial networks to negatively affect U.S. interests.'
23:27 asciilifeform (followed by a few kb of mostly generic usg claptrap)
23:29 mircea_popescu and this is remarkable why ?
23:29 mircea_popescu they got a stretched asshole the size of the gulf, and they're gonna work towards stitching it back together ?
23:30 mircea_popescu da fuck else would it say.
23:30 * asciilifeform did not read whole thing
23:30 asciilifeform hence feeding it to connoisseurs
23:30 mircea_popescu the problem here is that dod is uniquely unequipped to do this. this is a job for the ss, which is WHY they handlwe counterfitting in the first place.
23:31 mircea_popescu except ss knows enough about this to not want to touch it, so the aspirational down kids over at dod get a chance to shine.
23:31 asciilifeform there is not a meaningful separation between various seekrit skvirrels in usa today
23:31 asciilifeform (if there ever once was.)
23:31 mircea_popescu oh but there is.
23:31 mircea_popescu the only kind that counts : by intellect.
23:34 asciilifeform quite a bit of lateral motion and unclear separation of concern between the spetzagencies
23:34 asciilifeform e.g., nsa is civilian-staffed but managed largely by active or retired dod folk
23:34 mircea_popescu sure. but it still works exactly like it worked in the other soviet union.
23:34 mircea_popescu ie, the real-special guys despise the wanna-be-special guys
23:34 mircea_popescu which is why nsa is the internet forum pisspot.
23:38 asciilifeform iirc ss handled the known/public aspects of the mtgox dekulakization ?
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