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00:00 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
00:03 hanbot okay got the planned patch spaghetti untangled, ty asciilifeform. mod6 volunteered to let me torture him tomorrow with release issues. i'll report on how all this goes.
00:05 asciilifeform neato.
00:05 Vexual taste the soup
00:07 Vexual 6-year box still noncom ascii?
00:08 Vexual incomm?
00:08 asciilifeform same as before
00:08 Vexual did you check the clock?
00:08 asciilifeform yes.
00:09 Vexual lol
00:13 Vexual recheck?
00:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00054115 = 36.6359 BTC [-] {2}
00:16 Vexual u suspect blacklist?
00:18 * BingoBoingo still wonders where the small machines are with ECC and 2+ sata II ports
00:18 Vexual why u hate on bigger machines?
00:19 Vexual oh, right
00:19 BingoBoingo Vexual: Bigger machine harder to carry across border in ass
00:19 BingoBoingo And more expensive to colo
00:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nobody's coloing a 'miracast'
00:21 BingoBoingo Yet
00:21 asciilifeform though i showed mine to diametric today and he pointed out that the 802.11 daughterboard speaks standard usb through those 4 pins
00:22 asciilifeform so potentially one could remove it, replace with a usb 'a' jack
00:22 asciilifeform and insert a normal human ethernet card
00:22 Vexual aslo ascii: battery powered iron??
00:23 asciilifeform Vexual: i like'em - lightweight and easier for precision work, on account of not having two metres of mains cable dragging behind it
00:24 BingoBoingo miracast seems to have lots of potential as NuisanceNet
00:24 Vexual im asounded that you balcony doesnt have a proper station
00:24 asciilifeform Vexual: i don't keep nice things out of doors
00:25 asciilifeform the climate makes short work of anything ferrous
00:26 BingoBoingo Similar here, except for a brief window in 2012 when it was 110+F and California like drought
00:35 phf so the end result of incitatus going online was an exercise in sending a version packet to a node to elicit some sort of response
00:36 asciilifeform post?
00:36 phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/152068
00:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjFqDO )
00:36 asciilifeform neato!
00:37 phf so if you do that whole socket-connect, write-command, and then (read-byte (usocket:socket-stream *sock*)) you should be getting bytes back, because the node is primed to talk to you
00:37 asciilifeform between this and the block parser, we have maybe a quarter of a cl implementation of bitcoin here...
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00:37 phf not surprisingly incitatus doesn't respond
00:38 asciilifeform 365910 atm
00:38 asciilifeform barely 200 blocks in one day
00:38 asciilifeform mostly loaded in short bursts, separated by hours of ...
00:38 asciilifeform accepted connection 129.13.252.47:38614
00:38 asciilifeform socket closed
00:38 asciilifeform disconnecting node 148.251.238.178:27135
00:38 asciilifeform accepted connection 129.13.252.36:54354
00:38 asciilifeform socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
00:38 asciilifeform disconnecting node 129.13.252.47:38614
00:38 asciilifeform socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
00:38 asciilifeform disconnecting node 129.13.252.36:54354
00:38 asciilifeform accepted connection 71.230.106.172:60519
00:39 asciilifeform etc.
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53068 @ 0.00056191 = 29.8194 BTC [+]
00:45 phf so something /is/ coming through? that's trully odd
00:46 asciilifeform yes.
00:47 asciilifeform it is exactly like the situation roughly a month ago with mircea_popescu's node.
00:47 asciilifeform which spontaneously resolved when we started discussing it in detail here.
00:48 asciilifeform i'ma let it run until it syncs, and then dump the blocks that ~did~ get through
00:48 asciilifeform and post them publicly
00:48 asciilifeform then i will cancel the contract with that hoster.
00:49 * BingoBoingo likes how corenetworks has had a teaser colo page forever and done nothing to that end.
00:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is a cheap and largely forgotten dc, like 1,001 others
00:50 * BingoBoingo wonders why not can a shitbox and let me pay to put my machien in that space
00:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: because vm cleverly disguised as old penIII
00:51 asciilifeform how else will they rent it to you for 25bux/mo
00:51 BingoBoingo Blowjobs?
00:52 BingoBoingo Escaped from circus?
00:52 asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/19C0DGW
00:53 assbot dpaste: 19C0DGW ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjHr2N )
00:53 asciilifeform ^ last ~40 min or so
00:54 asciilifeform http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33604656 << qntra !??!
00:54 assbot Grooveshark co-founder Josh Greenberg, 28, found dead - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjHBHn )
00:54 asciilifeform Had Problemz (TM)
00:55 BingoBoingo Gat a shiva hand to write it up? You spotted it so you can call dibs.
00:55 asciilifeform nah
00:55 asciilifeform go, write.
00:55 BingoBoingo k
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00054071 = 15.4102 BTC [-]
00:56 asciilifeform http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33584699 << also lulzy
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00:56 assbot South Korea spy kills himself amid hacking scandal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjHKKV )
00:56 asciilifeform folks are 'suiciding' left and right.
00:58 asciilifeform !up Vexual
01:00 * asciilifeform bbl
01:02 Vexual http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/07/22/mp-randall-fair-dinkum-feather-ruffler
01:07 Vexual ^not suicide, theres no kids helpline link
01:10 BingoBoingo https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11057341_940567969313776_6669291060904963243_n.jpg?oh=e0fbbf1582c118b661c01de086314c74&oe=5614BA65
01:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1efFPJp )
01:15 mod6 hanbot: so, this might help you, it's worth a read through anyway -- it's a script that I created to pull down v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and then add ascii's recent patches up through verifyall [ read the script for all that are applied ]: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt
01:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjK0Sy )
01:17 mod6 If you run that script in a directory say ~/sandbox then you can `cd bitcoin-v0_5_3_1` `mkdir -p ourlibs distfiles` - then pull down the boost/bdb/openssl and drop them in distfiles. then finally drop in stator.sh into the ~/sandbox/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE dir and kick it off. that should do the trick.
01:17 Vexual direbeats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IVP8R8jTs
01:17 mod6 I've probably done a dozen builds this way in the last 2 weeks.
01:18 mod6 Anyway, yeah, we can go through it tomorrow. I've also got some curl commands to pull down the distfiles:
01:18 mod6 curl "http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz" -s -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
01:19 mod6 curl "http://download.oracle.com/berkeley-db/db-4.8.30.tar.gz" -s -o distfiles/db-4.8.30.tar.gz
01:20 mod6 boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" ; curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2"
01:20 mod6 those three command should be run from ~/sandbox/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1
01:20 BingoBoingo Anyone running OpenBSD and radeon graphics. 5.7 seems to actually improve quite a bit over 5.6 in this front.
01:22 mod6 Anyone else looking to build the same thing by hand (as opposed to just using stator as is) can use this above process ^^ for now.
01:24 mod6 At some point here we'll have a pre-patched source bundle that will be like a release candidate. I'm workin on it :]
01:24 BingoBoingo ^ ++
01:24 Vexual :)
01:26 trinque mod6: thanks for the script
01:26 trinque great way for us casuals to keep up with what's going on
01:26 mod6 anytime :]
01:28 mod6 oh, i noticed a mistake above in my text, there is no such dir as 'bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE', it's simply 'bitcoin-v0_5_3_1'. hope that doesn't trip anyone up too badly.
01:28 phf asciilifeform: can now receive messages back
01:29 phf #S(MESSAGE-MESSAGE :START-STRING #(249 190 180 217) :COMMAND-NAME "version" :PAYLOAD-SIZE 85 :CHECKSUM #(250 5 185 54)) came from the node and the checksum verifies
01:29 phf i wonder how much of bitcoind can i reimplement by morning..
01:31 trinque haha! well, now you're on record phf
01:31 trinque hear that everyone? common lisp bitcoind is on the way
01:31 mod6 (o(m(g)))
01:32 phf comes with MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM blocksize
01:33 trinque hahaha
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01:55 phf 195.211.154.159:8333 returns by way of version message: #S(VERSION-MESSAGE :VERSION 99999 :SERVICES 1 :TIMESTAMP 1437544122 :ADDR_RECV-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_RECV-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 71 230 106 172) :ADDR_RECV-PORT 46582 :ADDR_TRANS-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_TRANS-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 195 211 154 159) :ADDR_TRANS-PORT 36128 :NONCE 9412825019978737752 :USER_AGENT "" :START_HEIGHT 366396)
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01:58 punkman !up Vexual
01:59 Vexual hey
02:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87400 @ 0.00055435 = 48.4502 BTC [+] {2}
02:02 Vexual another funny thing i saw, someone designed the rax increasers to walk across a university lawn thats taboo
02:02 Vexual *tax
02:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116450 @ 0.00056712 = 66.0411 BTC [+] {2}
02:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151450 @ 0.00054015 = 81.8057 BTC [-] {4}
02:10 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208773 << the worst part is that there was a plan to do exactly this by a couple dozen derps in the parliament
02:10 assbot Logged on 21-07-2015 16:27:25; mircea_popescu: "2. Start printing Euros without authorization from the European Central bank. When accused of forgery, make the forgery harder to detect by changing the letter at the front of the serial number from Y (for Greece) to X (for Germany)." << ahaha gawd.
02:10 BingoBoingo !up SamouraiWallet
02:12 punkman they'd probably run out of paper in a day or two
02:12 Vexual bwahaha
02:12 BingoBoingo SamouraiWallet: How are you handling the forklets?
02:13 Vexual punkmn, it's illegal to mention polymer notes and who prints them here
02:13 Vexual they do smell nice tho
02:13 Vexual not unlikr chanel 5
02:14 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI5rbMDrL3I
02:14 assbot BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Sour Soul (2015) [LEAKED Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OlJIsx )
02:14 Vexual the media was well and truly muted when corruption was suggested
02:15 punkman did they outsource the printing?
02:15 Vexual we did it
02:15 Vexual first with waterproof notes
02:16 punkman well cotton doesn't really dissolve in water anyway
02:16 Vexual plastic is better
02:18 Vexual shit smells delicious
02:18 punkman I wonder if they chose the smell
02:18 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2668
02:18 assbot JL: The Origin of the C-Word ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3Lvba )
02:19 Vexual i think they must have
02:21 Vexual if you can make your money smell like thw world favourite lady perfume for years on end, its no accident
02:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00056714 = 12.789 BTC [+]
02:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47250 @ 0.00056714 = 26.7974 BTC [+]
02:36 punkman !up Vexual
02:38 BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/07/22/0146236/genetic-access-control-code-uses-23andme-dna-data-for-internet-racism
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02:38 assbot Genetic Access Control Code Uses 23andMe DNA Data For Internet Racism - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OlL1rt )
02:40 punkman "must be this white to comment"
02:43 Vexual be this white to comment http://www.australianbanknotes.net/hundred_dollar_banknotes/r616_f.jpg
02:43 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208942 << should test LibreSSL with -verifyall
02:43 assbot Logged on 21-07-2015 20:45:04; BingoBoingo: <trinque> anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually
02:43 punkman Vexual: who's the mustache?
02:44 BingoBoingo punkman: I only have foundation builds running on that "Mint" ubuntu like at the moment
02:44 Vexual dunno, cant read the sig
02:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00056126 = 8.7276 BTC [-]
02:53 Vexual whiter http://www.australianbanknotes.net/hundred_dollar_banknotes/r608_r.jpghttp://www.australianbanknotes.net/hundred_dollar_banknotes/r608_r.jpg
02:53 Vexual old paper
03:00 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209407 <> http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/the-athens-affair
03:00 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 04:56:23; asciilifeform: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33584699 << also lulzy
03:00 assbot The Athens Affair - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUwRNl )
03:01 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
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03:29 punkman !up roasbeef
03:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00056126 = 15.7433 BTC [-]
03:39 liquidassets ;;later tell danielpbarron What historically has a pound of flesh equal? Are there any scriptural equivalency tables you can direct me to?
03:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
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04:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71200 @ 0.00056717 = 40.3825 BTC [+] {3}
04:12 trinque punkman | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208942 << should test LibreSSL with -verifyall << I just built a new 0.5.4-beta with mod6's script + libressl, will do that
04:12 assbot Logged on 21-07-2015 20:45:04; BingoBoingo: <trinque> anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually
04:14 danielpbarron ;;later tell liquidassets see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189524 for now and I'll get back to you on a Biblical reference (if such a thing exists)
04:14 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:24:00; ben_vulpes: Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained t
04:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
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04:36 scoopbot_revived Bitcoin Group's IPO Hit With Stop Order By Australian Regulator http://qntra.net/2015/07/bitcoin-groups-ipo-hit-with-stop-order-by-australian-regulator/
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04:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136550 @ 0.00055775 = 76.1608 BTC [-]
05:00 trinque static 0.5.4-beta libressl node is up to about 100k
05:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202758 @ 0.00057985 = 117.5692 BTC [+] {8}
05:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135485 @ 0.00058991 = 79.924 BTC [+] {5}
05:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62545 @ 0.00059723 = 37.3538 BTC [+]
05:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186894 @ 0.00054126 = 101.1582 BTC [-] {5}
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06:13 liquidassets danielpbarron: Actually this story works really well
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06:13 liquidassets ben_vulpes submission for the Trilema GPG Contract short-story contest?
06:14 liquidassets For context, I’m working on opening a retail business in California and I’m kicking ideas around for the concept behind it. I’m thinking of calling it Numéraire Goods. Numeraire good being an economic concept meaning a base good that functions as money in which all other tradable item’s prices are expressed.
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06:15 liquidassets So this idea of a pound of flesh being equivalent to a signed contract…I like it.
06:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00053756 = 19.7016 BTC [-] {4}
06:24 funkenstein_ speaking of numeraire, this scholarly piece on gresham's law likely of interest here: http://www.columbia.edu/~ram15/grash.html
06:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4iBaV )
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06:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol what's this, the russiarchist's cookbook ?
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06:46 mircea_popescu http://gnezdoparanoika.ru/uploads/posts/2014-04/1397487240_6.jpg << that for instance is exactly how you DONT use dogs.
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06:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4lDMi )
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07:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85292 @ 0.00053618 = 45.7319 BTC [-] {2}
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57655 @ 0.00053499 = 30.8448 BTC [-] {2}
07:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118267 @ 0.00053302 = 63.0387 BTC [-] {2}
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07:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241580 @ 0.00052965 = 127.9528 BTC [-] {8}
07:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00054782 = 25.5284 BTC [+]
07:57 scoopbot_revived Night Falls on Manhattan http://trilema.com/2015/night-falls-on-manhattan/
08:08 mats https://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/15-07-07-dyld_print_to_file_lpe.html
08:08 assbot OS X 10.10 DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability | SektionEins GmbH ... ( http://bit.ly/1flwUqv )
08:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92950 @ 0.00054949 = 51.0751 BTC [+] {2}
08:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00052643 = 30.5329 BTC [-] {2}
08:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215750 @ 0.00055356 = 119.4306 BTC [+] {3}
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09:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00055568 = 29.5066 BTC [+] {2}
09:06 mircea_popescu bwahahaha
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09:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1208999 << pretty great article BingoBoingo hanbot
09:24 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 00:00:52; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/07/alm-ceo-cries-terrorism-after-ashley-madison-hack/ and DDos This https://archive.is/i7XvH << hanbot
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09:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209069 << bwhaahah
09:40 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 00:35:20; trinque: next innovation is constructing both sides!
09:41 mircea_popescu what, you mean like people pretending to be judges pretending to listen to people who are pretending to be das pretending to be prosecuting people who are pretending to be breaking the law ? the first in the hopes of selling this into a "political career", the latter in the hopes of selling this into a "career in showbiz" ?
09:42 mircea_popescu INCONCEIVABRU
09:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209088 << sadly there can always be a question of misconfiguration. it's the internet.
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09:42 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 00:40:14; asciilifeform: there can be ~NO~ fucking question of misconfiguration
09:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209134 <<-->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864275 just pro memoria
09:47 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 00:54:28; asciilifeform: the days of plaintext packets sailing around the world unmolested are not merely numbered - but long gone.
09:47 assbot Logged on 08-10-2014 14:52:26; mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k
09:47 mircea_popescu goes pretty well with yest's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-07-2015#1208499
09:47 assbot Logged on 21-07-2015 11:39:59; mircea_popescu: amazon instance -> cloudflare -> internet. all via PKI.
09:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209185 << bwhahahaa WUT
09:52 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 03:04:19; assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB#F79436B629322C70C523BAA5BE0D3D4DDA011578F84122B8CA3ABD15C52A9567>
09:54 asciilifeform it was in the magiclist
09:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209196 << pretty much exactly like originally seen on my node aha.
09:54 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 03:07:07; asciilifeform: ^ posted here because this fragment is typical
09:54 asciilifeform btw that's still going on
09:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209518 << no shit, aha
09:55 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 10:46:44; mircea_popescu: http://gnezdoparanoika.ru/uploads/posts/2014-04/1397487240_6.jpg << that for instance is exactly how you DONT use dogs.
09:56 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209517 << 'illustrated advice to partisans'
09:56 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 10:46:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what's this, the russiarchist's cookbook ?
09:56 mircea_popescu i c.
09:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209539 << what i meant was, no misconfiguration on ~my box~
09:57 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 13:42:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209088 << sadly there can always be a question of misconfiguration. it's the internet.
09:57 mircea_popescu yes but what's that do. i said the same at the time, it was like...mmmkay well... it dun work./
09:57 mircea_popescu "maybe it's the router". "no, because isp has been sane" "well..."
09:58 asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/0DS0BB5.txt << last 10 min.
09:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxbG5e )
09:58 mircea_popescu read the logs at that time, they stand symbolic of this problem. how the fuck is one to prove the internet is broken X way when iot's consistently broken so many ways from sunday.
09:58 asciilifeform presently, long burst of tx spam
09:58 asciilifeform after that it will fall mostly silent for 20 min or so
09:58 asciilifeform occasionally, gets blocks
10:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209282 << yeah this is a good move hanbot
10:00 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 03:44:37; asciilifeform: the whole point of the way the patches were written.
10:00 asciilifeform 'consistently broken' is not quite it. a 'consistently littered' city may have many dog turds, but one does not expect to find unexploded ordnance from ww2 on the sidewalk
10:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "but maybe it's not really from ww2, and ms doolittle's poodle shat it out"
10:00 asciilifeform aha.
10:00 mircea_popescu well ?
10:01 mircea_popescu "there's so much we don't understand about biology"
10:01 asciilifeform it is worth noting that my other two nodes (one of which is on residential fiber, even!!) haven't skipped a beat since powerup
10:01 mircea_popescu "yeah, there is. like how the fuck you didn't abord in the third week like every other case of lethal trisomy"
10:01 asciilifeform l0l
10:03 mircea_popescu (as a boy, /me used to play around a very large unexploded bomb. the crew had taken out the fuse and left it in place, by the 60s the rains had washed it out thoroughly, by the 80s it was a mostly rusted hunk of metal)
10:04 mircea_popescu fun fact : the b52 bombers ? they cost <10mn a piece.
10:04 asciilifeform b29 ?
10:04 mircea_popescu no, 52, the 50s thing.
10:04 mircea_popescu stratofortress
10:04 * asciilifeform expected a ww2 machine
10:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's old rusty bomb fell in the '50s ?!!
10:05 mircea_popescu ah no.
10:05 mircea_popescu i have no idea how it got there. conceivably, dropped during the war
10:06 mircea_popescu upon review, b29 was introduced too late to have been related. romania was out by 1944
10:06 asciilifeform and at any rate, what b29 over ro ?!
10:06 asciilifeform prolly fell out of a polikarpov
10:07 mircea_popescu nah, us bombed romania plenty in the early 40s. major oil supplier for teh third reich.
10:07 mircea_popescu also all sorts of parts an' stuff.
10:09 * asciilifeform recalls the kid in del toro's 'the devil's backbone' and his gigantic bomb
10:09 asciilifeform thing sits in the spanish countryside, and demented kids hug it, talk to it...
10:10 mircea_popescu it was... i think it must have been about a ton or some shit. it was huge.
10:10 asciilifeform ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256009 )
10:10 assbot L'échine du diable (2001) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOfkN3 )
10:12 mircea_popescu https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/B-17F_Destroyed_by_Me-262.jpg << great pic incidentally.
10:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOfDaG )
10:13 mircea_popescu "After Carlos, a 12-year-old whose father has died in the Spanish Civil War, arrives at an ominous boy's orphanage he discovers the school is haunted and has many dark secrets that he must uncover."
10:13 mircea_popescu o.O
10:13 asciilifeform not a bad film
10:14 asciilifeform 'When this variable was added the usual safeguards that are required when adding support for new environment variables to the dynamic linker have not been used. Therefore it is possible to use this new feature even with SUID root binaries. This is dangerous, because it allows to open or create arbitrary files owned by the root user anywhere in the file system. Furthermore the opened log file is never closed and therefore its f
10:14 asciilifeform ile descriptor is leaked into processes spawned by SUID binaries. This means child processes of SUID root processes can write to arbitrary files owned by the root user anywhere in the filesystem. This allows for easy privilege escalation in OS X 10.10.x.' << ahahahahaha
10:14 mircea_popescu re that phoronix thing : isn't it a sad state of affairs when the year is 2015 and yet the best way some computer expert has to convey his problems to others is BY TAKING A PHUCKING CELLPHONE SHOT OF THE SCREEN ?
10:15 mircea_popescu congrats, phoronix, you're now that blonde airhead we like to fuck ?
10:15 asciilifeform sop for yearz
10:15 mircea_popescu how many years ?
10:15 asciilifeform about as many as 'systemd'
10:15 mircea_popescu how many years does it take ffs.
10:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53408 @ 0.00054624 = 29.1736 BTC [-] {2}
10:16 mircea_popescu no way to index that thing.
10:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164742 @ 0.00053325 = 87.8487 BTC [-] {2}
10:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209366 << heh.
10:18 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 04:37:29; asciilifeform: between this and the block parser, we have maybe a quarter of a cl implementation of bitcoin here...
10:19 mircea_popescu btw phf you saw what i said @you in #eulora ?
10:20 mircea_popescu "There was "no evidence of foul play or suicide," police in Gainesville said via Twitter."
10:20 mircea_popescu i don't understand how the us coroners work these days. if a 28 yo man is found dead at home, the traditional way is to require evidence of natural death
10:21 mircea_popescu not to derp about how there's no proof of "foul play or suicide".
10:21 mircea_popescu totally ass backwards this shit.
10:21 mircea_popescu what, he died of old age ? wtf.
10:21 phf mircea_popescu: yes, it'll be done. sourceforge is down, and that's where crystalspace's repository is hosted. it's been down for couple of days now for all hosted projects
10:22 mircea_popescu o.O
10:22 mircea_popescu you want a signed copy ?
10:22 mircea_popescu i had no fucking idea this is even a thing, but given that we link against a specified version anyway, there's really no reason to even use sourceforge.
10:23 mircea_popescu so yeah, ima move it to the downloads page.
10:23 asciilifeform tcpdump -s 0 port 8333 -w turd.pcap
10:23 asciilifeform incidentally.
10:23 asciilifeform already can see, a great many packets of length 0
10:24 mircea_popescu post last ack ?
10:25 asciilifeform will post whole thing later
10:25 phf mircea_popescu: i have a copy, i was hoping to have an svn repo history that i can work with. but a b-a authorative location can be used for build guides
10:25 asciilifeform 'sourceforge', incidentally, is not long for this world.
10:25 mircea_popescu i had no idea the supply chain is THAT vulnerable, thanks god i asked questions.
10:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform clearly.
10:26 asciilifeform it was recently bought by sp4mz0rz
10:26 mircea_popescu oh ? who ?
10:26 phf right now i think every guide has a different recommendation for what to use. some do svn co on specific revision, some pull snapshot from svn, some pull snapshot from elsewhere
10:26 asciilifeform who began replacing winblows exes hosted therein, with malware
10:26 mircea_popescu phf you mean in the wiki ?
10:26 phf yes
10:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'dice holdings'
10:26 mircea_popescu yeah that needs some fixing.
10:26 asciilifeform they also own 'slashdot'
10:27 mircea_popescu oh those schmucks.
10:27 asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/19/dice_acquires_geeknet << them
10:27 assbot Dice swallows Slashdot, SourceForge, Freecode in $20m deal • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOhqwo )
10:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno if you recall stoya's piece i linked some time ago where she decries a very similar process happening to porn.
10:27 asciilifeform can't recall
10:28 mircea_popescu like it or not, my boys = coders / girls = camwhores thing is closer to the reality of the matter than any hopes dreams or aspirations
10:28 mircea_popescu lemme dig it out.
10:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-06-2015#1179799 << old thread where mircea_popescu's node was jammed in same way
10:28 assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 02:54:10; asciilifeform: 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1'
10:28 asciilifeform ^ for those who missed.
10:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all tournament markets are quite alike
10:28 mircea_popescu but i mean this is by the fucking book, where the hell was it
10:28 asciilifeform whether broadway, or pornway, or sv programmerz
10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39434 @ 0.00055756 = 21.9868 BTC [+]
10:29 asciilifeform a handful of 'lucky winners' to lead the cannon fodder to their graves
10:30 mircea_popescu http://graphicdescriptions.com/28-tubes-vs-torrents-the-ethics-of-piracy <
10:30 assbot Tubes vs. Torrents: the Ethics of Piracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxNNpQ )
10:31 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware << for those who missed re: 'sourceforge.'
10:31 assbot SourceForge grabs GIMP for Windows’ account, wraps installer in bundle-pushing adware [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxNNWY )
10:31 mircea_popescu "According to a 2011 feature in New York, a man named Fabian Thylmann bought a company named Mansef in 2010 to mash their tube sites and other properties together to form a new company called Manwin."
10:31 mircea_popescu EXACTLY dice holdings.
10:31 mircea_popescu buy up all this cheap crud (software, pornware) by the kg, "monetize" it.
10:32 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/feds-bust-through-huge-tor-hidden-child-porn-site-using-questionable-malware << possibly interesting, from same fishwrap
10:32 assbot Feds bust through huge Tor-hidden child porn site using questionable malware | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxNYBF )
10:32 mircea_popescu why exactly this doesn't pop up in the search tho, is an open question
10:33 mircea_popescu anwyay. instructive read for the bois interested in their "profession", its place in the world, future etc. heck, might even help understand girls.
10:33 asciilifeform re: 'monetize':
10:33 asciilifeform 'those with title to something worthless will find a way to extract value from it, making it even more worthless. An abandoned suburban subdivision might be worthless as housing, but valuable as a dump site for toxic waste.' (orlov, who else)
10:34 mircea_popescu there's nothing worthless in nature.
10:35 phf windows: http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe, ubuntu: svn co -r 38934 http://svn.code.sf.net/p/crystal/code/CS/trunk, osx: http://crystalspace3d.org/cvs-snapshots/zip/cs-current-snapshot.zip, gentoo: svn co -r 39798 http://svn.code.sf.net/p/crystal/code/CS/trunk cs, fedora: svn co -r 39798 http://svn.code.sf.net/p/crystal/code/CS/trunk cs
10:35 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOigt3 )
10:35 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOijFa )
10:35 phf ^- from eulorum.org
10:35 mircea_popescu yeah right you are.
10:36 mircea_popescu not even sure this actually needs any fixing providing they work
10:36 phf those svn.code.sf.net are down
10:37 mircea_popescu aha.
10:37 mircea_popescu Current Team (1) Kevin Studer Marketing Manager ; Slashdot Media ("leader in professional tech communities") Sep 1, 2012 -$20M (terms undisclosed)
10:37 mircea_popescu imagine! slashdot media worth 20mn. pity they didn;'t have a watsapp slapped on.
10:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209443 << okay ?
10:39 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 05:55:44; phf: 195.211.154.159:8333 returns by way of version message: #S(VERSION-MESSAGE :VERSION 99999 :SERVICES 1 :TIMESTAMP 1437544122 :ADDR_RECV-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_RECV-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 71 230 106 172) :ADDR_RECV-PORT 46582 :ADDR_TRANS-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_TRANS-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 195 211 154 159) :ADDR_TRANS-PORT 36128 :NONCE 9412825019978737752 :USER_AGENT "" :START_HEIGHT 36639
10:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85900 @ 0.00056509 = 48.5412 BTC [+] {3}
10:41 mircea_popescu "Perhaps some users will implement it in a harmless and beneficial way, such as creating a safe space for women. But it’s just as likely that, in a few years, Googling for a snippet of this code yields search results that are the equivalent of a who’s who of racist and misogynist sites."
10:41 phf mircea_popescu: it was for common lispers in the crowd
10:41 mircea_popescu fucktards. "perhaps this racist thing could be used to disadvantage the races i happen to hate, which i call positive. but as the race i happen to hate happens to also be objectively superior to the other races, it will likely play out the other way. OH NOES!"
10:41 mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with these people.
10:42 mircea_popescu how about stop fucking being racist already, if racism bothers you so much. jeez.
10:43 mircea_popescu "i hold an unsubstantiable, borderline pathological belief that the white race is better than all others. i spend my time trying to convince everyone to pick on white people by calling them racist if they do not". the whole libertard agenda on "race" as they understand it.
10:43 mircea_popescu just how self parodic can the "human rights" twerps get ?
10:47 asciilifeform 'Manwin used their traffic to sell ad space to those same production companies they enabled theft from. Production companies paid a lot for banners. Manwin then began buying the companies they had helped devalue, including Digital Playground—the company I was contracted to for a number of years. I believe the worst sorts of capitalists would consider Manwin’s behavior a win of the highest order.' << sop
10:47 asciilifeform classic 'arsonist's fire sale'
10:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209512 << no, we're aware. the word "numerar" is actually how you say cash in romanian.
10:47 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 10:14:26; liquidassets: For context, I’m working on opening a retail business in California and I’m kicking ideas around for the concept behind it. I’m thinking of calling it Numéraire Goods. Numeraire good being an economic concept meaning a base good that functions as money in which all other tradable item’s prices are expressed.
10:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform by the mid 2000s anyone with half a clue had long left porn. the remaining mouthbreathers were kind-of fun to watch, which is why gfy was such a success with people in the know.
10:48 mircea_popescu by now...
10:48 mircea_popescu actually it's probably ready for a revival, if people like stoya, kim kardashian and whoever else of the new slut generation can be arsed.
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10:48 asciilifeform not sure how that would work
10:48 mircea_popescu me either. let them fucking figure it out neh ?
10:48 asciilifeform what, exactly, would persuade anyone to pay money to look at pictures again ?
10:49 mircea_popescu why would it be pictures ?
10:49 asciilifeform what else.
10:49 mircea_popescu cage au folles / moulin rouge. six story building consisting of an orgy + chapters in each campus ?
10:49 * asciilifeform envisions rms chiming in: 'support contractz!'
10:50 mircea_popescu recruit young women in the "Fuck army", as per http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/ ?
10:50 assbot The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxR3lb )
10:50 mircea_popescu just as long as it makes everyone livid, it's got a shot.
10:51 mircea_popescu sexual mercantilism is definitely going to come back in a major way, seeing how a) it's fundamental to black culture (as opposed to muslim culture) which is a major cultural war raging right now that white dudes know jack about ; b) there is no redeeming value to males atm outside of access to resources.
10:51 mircea_popescu no strength no knowledge no will no nothing. so they're gonna be paying.
10:51 asciilifeform l0l what resources
10:51 asciilifeform biodiesel ?
10:51 mircea_popescu their problem.
10:54 asciilifeform what is the 'cultural war' referenced earlier?
10:54 asciilifeform brothel vs harem ?
10:54 mircea_popescu not quite. let's see...
10:55 mircea_popescu the african view on women, somewhat seen in things like "bros before hos" is that they are a numerary commodity. the muslim view on women, somewhat visible in burkas et all, is that they are a funciary commodity. to use the terminology suggested by our young friend with a california shop to be.
10:55 mircea_popescu dja understand the distinction ?
10:56 asciilifeform fungibility ?
10:56 mircea_popescu not exactly. no muslim would try to provide his social proof by lining up a bunch of women behind him.
10:56 mircea_popescu which is why young men are treated that certain way in islam. gotta have a numerary commodity, and money can't be it.
10:57 mircea_popescu (because they're retarded)
10:57 asciilifeform ('bros before hos' (tm) (r) is not strictly african, but almost literally exists as a maxim among ru outlaw folks)
10:57 mircea_popescu russians are african.
10:57 asciilifeform aha in that sense, yes!
10:57 mircea_popescu yeah.
10:57 asciilifeform orc
10:57 mircea_popescu whereas muslims, contrary to the bum job they're getting, are actually quite consumately decadent.
10:57 mircea_popescu golden crescent, a sort of its very own rhine valley.
10:58 mircea_popescu anyway. a funciary commodity, ie like land in medieval europe, is the good that makes all other goods.
10:58 mircea_popescu a numerary commodity, ie money in jewish europe, is the good that measures all other goods.
10:59 mircea_popescu there are numerous points where these orthogonal concerns come into objective conflict, which is always resolved culturally.
10:59 mircea_popescu wherein hitting an idiot over the head repeatedly is patently a cultural process.
11:00 mircea_popescu anyway, this is kinda why putin is so amusing to me personally. he's basically trying to preach a jewish sort of islam to russians!
11:01 mircea_popescu it's the laugh of all time.
11:01 mircea_popescu "oh but look how successful it made me! i can do 50 pushups and eat a bear!" "mmmmkay...."
11:01 asciilifeform can name one other non-emasculated head of state today ?
11:02 mircea_popescu i do not hold it against him.
11:02 mircea_popescu just, it's funny, what do you want from me.
11:03 asciilifeform just about anything to do with orcs is auto-funny
11:03 * asciilifeform bbl
11:06 mircea_popescu anyway. there are distinction. the ru prison theme is "vodka and women / look what they reduce us to". not exactly the same thing.
11:07 mircea_popescu a lot more chtonic, the entire "the pink hole's the hole the night comes through" sorta thing.
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11:25 mod6 So in addition to lastnight's script I posted [ pulls down ascii's latest patches (up through -verifyall) and applies them to v0.5.3.1 ], I've got an updated one that i've just tested & worked for me on x86-64 gentoo w/glibc: http://dpaste.com/2F68T3F.txt
11:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfo21M )
11:26 mod6 This one will do the same as the one before, except this will create the dirs, pull the 3rd party packages, and build "stator" directly though this script. Please read the script. `realpath`, `gnupg` and `curl` are required.
11:27 liquidassets mircea_popescu this cultural war where women are thought to be numerar or funciara is this to say a cultural war where one side is trade for trades sake (pecunia non olet) and the other side is more like fuck your money death before dishonor! Either way with men being the agent either trading women or claiming them as their own as in free hold absolutely.
11:27 mircea_popescu i will need that in the form of a question.
11:29 mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a7f8d0fb0b9bfa6e1223f94cab35021a/tumblr_mxmsee7yOx1s56qg6o1_1280.png
11:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MIiCeM )
11:30 liquidassets is a funciary commodity something you hold as a free hold absolute as you would property?
11:31 liquidassets is this the distinction between numerar which is about being fungible and easily traded?
11:31 mircea_popescu you're not making any sense.
11:32 mircea_popescu a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ?
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11:35 mircea_popescu in other words : forget whether you own it or don't own it. the cogent question is, do you want it ?
11:43 shinohai nice going mod6 on the gentoo build
11:47 mod6 shinohai: thx.
11:47 mod6 i tried it on gentoo, but should build on other x86-64 linux distro's i'd think.
11:51 mod6 s/'//
11:52 liquidassets property only entered into it when I tried looking up meaning to funciary commodity. Yes, the "do you want it?" seems to be the question. Thanks MP always a pleasure
11:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79093 @ 0.00054805 = 43.3469 BTC [-]
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12:16 mod6 er. well i missed an `echo` statement in that last one -- didn't seem to complain on my side anyway, but here's a corrected one: http://dpaste.com/0S2D9YV.txt
12:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQOfJM )
12:16 mod6 Doesn't make that much of a difference. I'm working on a patched bundle now anyway.
12:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 323674 @ 0.00057705 = 186.7761 BTC [+] {4}
12:27 mircea_popescu liquidassets funciary comes from fonsier, "issu de l'ancien français fonds". it's just another way to say "fundamental" (same root these two)
12:28 mircea_popescu and to illustrate the concept, i give you enraged superwoman. http://33.media.tumblr.com/74b24ac4bfdd42d54a2b22b9451314cb/tumblr_mqx2cpQytp1ra163eo1_500.gif
12:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IenTGC )
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12:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71850 @ 0.00058753 = 42.214 BTC [+] {2}
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12:59 mod6 !up ascii_field
12:59 mircea_popescu !up johnsilver
13:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.000595 = 4.9397 BTC [+]
13:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00059581 = 29.7905 BTC [+]
13:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93017 @ 0.00055094 = 51.2468 BTC [-] {5}
13:24 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-07-2015#1203888 < at least one of their mining addresses https://blockchain.info/address/1MoYfV4U61wqTPTHCyedzFmvf2o3uys2Ua
13:24 assbot Logged on 17-07-2015 01:50:46; asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.
13:24 assbot Bitcoin Address 1MoYfV4U61wqTPTHCyedzFmvf2o3uys2Ua ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkKMhR )
13:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34733 @ 0.00052927 = 18.3831 BTC [-]
13:31 mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209185 << i can't find this key in use anywhere
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13:31 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 03:04:19; assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB#F79436B629322C70C523BAA5BE0D3D4DDA011578F84122B8CA3ABD15C52A9567>
13:37 danielpbarron ;;later tell liquidassets http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209510 << see also: http://www.atruechurch.info/debt.html
13:37 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 10:13:11; liquidassets: danielpbarron: Actually this story works really well
13:37 assbot A True Church - Debt ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkMXSw )
13:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
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14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156734 @ 0.00052755 = 82.685 BTC [-] {3}
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00054045 = 23.0772 BTC [+]
14:16 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:16 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209779 << you won't - it is a fraudulent key
14:16 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 17:31:06; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209185 << i can't find this key in use anywhere
14:16 ascii_field the original was, iirc, used to sign winblowz pgp updates
14:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69205 @ 0.00054045 = 37.4018 BTC [+]
14:31 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/incitatus.pcap.gz
14:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:31 ascii_field mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^
14:31 ascii_field mats ^
14:31 ascii_field anybody who knows with what to eat a pcap.
14:34 nubbins` my old fencing instructor fell victim to a knife attack in california a couple days ago o.O
14:37 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/st-john-s-prof-in-serious-condition-after-attack-in-california-that-left-2-dead-1.3162834
14:37 assbot St. John's prof in serious condition after attack in California that left 2 dead - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJC5ul )
14:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152711 @ 0.0005264 = 80.3871 BTC [-] {2}
14:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11689 @ 0.00052453 = 6.1312 BTC [-]
14:46 mod6 ah cool, thx
14:47 mod6 !up ascii_field
14:47 mod6 i'm looking at it now...
14:48 ascii_field nubbins`: reads, i must confess, quite like those 'eaten by friend's dog' reports
14:48 ascii_field 'mr woodchipper was always such a friendly animal'
14:49 ascii_field 'nobody could have foreseen' (tm) (r)
14:56 mod6 did you ever restart nsl?
14:56 mod6 archive.today appears 52681 times
15:01 hanbot mod6> hanbot: so, this might help you, it's worth a read through anyway -- it's a script that I created to pull down v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and then add ascii's recent patches up through verifyall [ read the script for all that are applied ]: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt << neat deal on this & the latter scripts. my mission is to build based on the inferred instructions here tho': http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html . is th
15:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjK0Sy )
15:01 assbot [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn )
15:01 hanbot at too much gruntwork iyo?
15:03 * mod6 looks
15:03 trinque oh btw, libressl build got stuck
15:03 trinque lemme see where
15:04 mod6 ya, post log thx
15:06 mod6 hanbot: ok so to complete your mission. you'll need a x86-64 / glibc linux environment - gentoo is great, others ok probably too.
15:06 mod6 Then..
15:06 mircea_popescu ;;later tell aquentin simmer the fuck down and learn how to use the tools.
15:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:06 trinque my gentoo would not build, so I used the VM
15:06 trinque mod6: ^
15:06 mircea_popescu friggin add generation it's unheard of.
15:07 mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/dc80904f3b46a3cbbee5de45b0e8118d/tumblr_n3i98lVubS1rpyus3o1_500.gif
15:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoC96V )
15:07 mod6 trinque: what do you mean that gentoo wouldn't build? like OS itself from our guide? or you couldnt build stator on there?
15:08 trinque the latter
15:08 mod6 hanbot: pull down http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150627/stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz & http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150627/stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig
15:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoCeri )
15:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoCeHA )
15:08 trinque didn't want to bother with why, so I built in the VM then copied the binary out
15:08 mod6 stick them in a directory like `sandbox`
15:09 mod6 once pulled down do this `sha1sum stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig` and ensure that the output hashes match what's embedded in the file name.
15:09 mod6 then...
15:10 mod6 run this to pull ascii's key: `gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0xB98228A001ABFFC7`
15:11 mod6 then `mv stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz stator.tar.gz` and `mv stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig stator.tar.gz.sig`
15:11 mod6 (if you don't do that last step, you can not verify the sig)
15:11 mod6 next
15:11 mod6 `gpg --verify stator.tar.gz.sig`
15:12 trinque mod6: http://deedbot.org/bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc
15:13 mod6 ok thx trinque, one sec.
15:13 mod6 next
15:13 trinque yeah, whenever
15:13 mod6 cd stator/distfiles
15:13 mod6 and run these to pull down OpenSSL/BDB/Boost:
15:13 mod6 `curl "http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz" -s -o openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz`
15:14 mod6 `curl "http://download.oracle.com/berkeley-db/db-4.8.30.tar.gz" -s -o db-4.8.30.tar.gz`
15:14 hanbot (to be clear, by inferred instructions i mean v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches as asciilifeform outlined here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209307 )
15:14 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 03:52:21; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000088.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000098.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000100.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev
15:14 mircea_popescu hanbot once delving into it, this proves to be anything but straightforward i surmise ?
15:15 mod6 ok. so the stator tarball contains all of the relivant packages. I think by linking you to all of his patches are applied therein.
15:15 mod6 err s/packages/patches
15:16 hanbot mircea_popescu well in my technically handicapped judgement, which may or may not be a viewpoint worth considering
15:16 mod6 that was poorly worded. i wouldn't bother trying to go through that list of emails unless what you want to do is this: download & extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and go through every email, one by one, and patch by hand.
15:17 trinque could just read all the patches in that script you did
15:17 mod6 which is totally doable. there are like ~12 patches up through -verify all
15:17 hanbot mod6 that's exactly what i want to do. after all, the mailing list is the reference point, no?
15:17 mircea_popescu mod6 well look, it's not a meaningless problem. "what's the reader supposed to do". going through the list and following the tree seems sensible.
15:18 mod6 !up ascii_field
15:18 hanbot (not every single patch on the mailing list, just the 8 needed for stator)
15:18 mod6 it is a reference point. the good news is, most of the patches that depend on other patches are linked backwards in the emails (by ascii) and have notes that say "depended upon by <a href=..."
15:19 mod6 but there are a lot of other patches in there that are not a part of that line or "branch" perhaps?
15:19 mircea_popescu it's like the ultimate reference point. all ulterior repackaging may add convenience, but can't contradict it, basically.
15:19 hanbot mod6 yep, i doublechecked asciilifeform's list as linked above, complete & correctly ordered
15:19 mod6 so a lot to look out for... certainly not for the faint of heart. you really hvae to keep up in here and on the list to realize what's going on.
15:20 mod6 at least ... lol, i do.
15:21 mod6 So then.
15:21 * mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this.
15:21 hanbot for sure. gotta start sometime :)
15:21 mod6 What you want to do is to start with v0.5.3.1 and go through his messages that he linked and patch 'em in one at a time after verifying the hashes and the sigs.
15:21 ascii_field hanbot did ask for the whole orchestra, ~manually~
15:21 ascii_field what other answer could i give, than 'go to ml...'
15:21 nubbins` 8)
15:22 mircea_popescu incidentally, the way he does his patches with the referneces is pretty smart.
15:22 trinque that reminds me to turn off the tls requirement on my mailserver
15:22 * trinque prepares postfix's ass for a blastin
15:22 ascii_field mircea_popescu: that's kinda the only way to do a 'muscle-powered version control sys'
15:22 mircea_popescu word.
15:22 ascii_field gotta specify antecedents or reader is sol
15:24 ascii_field hanbot: any problems with your build ?
15:24 hanbot yep, i have the 'what to do' sketched out. atm i'm stuck on the v0.5.3.1 and the errors ./auto.sh threw out. typescript sez: http://dpaste.com/2MNJ748
15:24 assbot dpaste: 2MNJ748 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJIp4N )
15:25 ascii_field hanbot: you are missing a c++ compiler
15:25 ascii_field is this a centos box ?
15:25 hanbot ubuntu
15:25 mircea_popescu seems you don't have g
15:26 ascii_field yum install gcc libstdc++ gcc-c++ glibc-static
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15:26 ascii_field or equivalent
15:26 mod6 apt-get
15:26 mircea_popescu apt-get install gcc libstdc++ gcc-c++ glibc-static
15:27 trinque there's a "build-essential" package that grabs a lot of useful compiler stuff
15:27 mod6 you wanna do this for sure anyway ^^ but maybe wait to build until you've patched?
15:27 mod6 what mp said
15:27 mircea_popescu makes no diff really
15:27 mircea_popescu wtf is a box without c compiler anyway i want to kn ow.
15:27 mircea_popescu what do you do with it, write bash scripts ?
15:27 mod6 haha. perl it up.
15:28 nubbins` install kazaa
15:28 ascii_field can even run bitcoin on it
15:28 ascii_field but, built elsewhere
15:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49069 @ 0.00054907 = 26.9423 BTC [+] {3}
15:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4431 @ 0.00055729 = 2.4694 BTC [+]
15:31 mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/274210f7a08b8b971c8cbba48cec1224/tumblr_mpr55nlk241rwmba9o1_1280.jpg
15:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJJfP5 )
15:32 ascii_field 88.198.6.235:8333 << belongs to anyone here ?
15:33 ascii_field 82.130.102.173 ?
15:34 mircea_popescu if it does they haven't so far said.
15:35 ascii_field accepted connection 82.130.102.211:45537
15:35 ascii_field version message: version 60001, blocks=0
15:35 ascii_field plenty of 60001 folks bringing up new nodez ?
15:35 ascii_field trying to sync from poor old incitatus
15:36 mircea_popescu caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator.
15:36 ascii_field Aha!!
15:36 mircea_popescu petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru.
15:36 ascii_field l0l!!
15:36 mircea_popescu ;)
15:37 mircea_popescu ox in question being one romulus zăroni
15:49 hanbot "The latest Tweets from Quentin Amalou (@aquentin). Doctorant en sciences humaines et sociales à @UnivAvignon. Sociologie du cinema et de la musique." ftw.
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15:50 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:50 ascii_field '60001 Snoopy 0.1'
15:50 hanbot meanwhile glibc-static looks unbuntu-friendly, will report back
15:50 ascii_field and, from that, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=725391.0
15:50 assbot "subver" : "/Snoopy:0.1/" ?? ... ( http://bit.ly/1g67WfZ )
15:51 ascii_field and we then meet a new phriend, http://www.disco.ethz.ch/members/cdecker.html
15:51 assbot Christian Decker ... ( http://bit.ly/1g67XQX )
15:51 ascii_field ^ vaguely usgtronic academitard
15:52 BingoBoingo Oh, look what happened the day before my next evidentiary hearing. Turns out alleged "victim" likes filing false police reports as a political weapon http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article28249051.html
15:52 assbot Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1g689ja )
15:53 hanbot Making Bitcoin Exchanges Truly Transparent [confidential] << lol
15:53 ascii_field 'Data-Driven De-Anonymization in Bitcoin'
15:54 hanbot !up indiancandy1
15:54 indiancandy1 HEEEY
15:56 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> how many years does it take ffs. << I like ffs, just works
15:56 indiancandy1 soo
15:56 indiancandy1 erm
16:02 BingoBoingo For posterity the case of the prosecutor who declines to files charges against Clerk Cook, a self professed libertarian who likes to use police violence as a political weapon https://archive.is/ChrKw
16:02 assbot Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1g6aavz )
16:07 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo you get my pgp-gram/qntra submission ?
16:08 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Yeah, just waking up
16:08 pete_dushenski "The Speed Week races that draw hundreds of racing teams from around the world to Utah's famous salt flats were canceled for the second consecutive year because of wet conditions." << moar climate change eh
16:08 phf connected to incitatus few minutes ago, got verack, version and handful inv's. now it's timeouting again
16:08 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo all good.
16:12 pete_dushenski http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/20/ashley-madison-data-breach-time-to-buy-bitcoin/#comment-267877
16:12 assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Ashley Madison data breach: time to buy Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oy02Hs )
16:12 pete_dushenski ^realised after i shoulda referenced hanbot's article too. alas !
16:12 scoopbot_revived "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death http://qntra.net/2015/07/entertainment-system-vulnerability-turns-vehicles-into-hot-death/
16:13 pete_dushenski lol @ qntra title.
16:13 pete_dushenski why 'hot' death ?
16:13 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: That's what Editors are for
16:13 pete_dushenski this is true
16:13 BingoBoingo "Hot Death" sounds cool, very action movie
16:13 pete_dushenski sounds like vehicle was left out in the sun with the windows rolled up
16:14 BingoBoingo Perhaps it's a cultural thing
16:15 pete_dushenski anyways, such are the perils of turning cars into computers.
16:15 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo nah nah i get it, it makes sense :)
16:22 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
16:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00055299 = 17.9169 BTC [-]
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16:52 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/randizuckerberg/status/623880202548965376 << bwahha wish tlp could see this shit. randi hosting a bitcoin panel on satellite radio
16:53 pete_dushenski relevant : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/01/randi_zuckerberg.html
16:53 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Randi Zuckerberg Thinks We Should Untangle Our Wired Lives ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLRBJ )
16:53 pete_dushenski also : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/03/who_can_know_how_much_randi_zu.html
16:53 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Who Can Know How Much Randi Zuckerberg Is Worth? ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLUxe )
17:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00054538 = 32.7228 BTC [-]
17:00 trinque so, we're going to try Brennan for the murder of Michael Hastings now, right?
17:01 BingoBoingo Which Brennan?
17:02 trinque that lurch-looking one that heads up the KG...er... CIA
17:03 trinque iirc there's ample evidence to suggest Hastings was working on a story on him when he went for a long drive on a short road
17:04 trinque BingoBoingo: oddly, his wife said she'd release what he had 'soon' in interviews after his death
17:04 trinque then... nada
17:04 BingoBoingo Ah
17:04 trinque https://reason.com/blog/2013/08/13/michael-hastings-was-investigating-john
17:04 assbot Michael Hastings Was Investigating John Brennan's Role in Press Crackdown Before His Death - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeMJpV )
17:05 trinque chick was really oddly smiley in interviews
17:05 trinque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elise_Jordan
17:05 assbot Elise Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeMMSz )
17:06 trinque notably worked for the national security council, that group of bureaucrats that decides which pakistani kids are going to die today by robotic death from above
17:07 trinque Due to Hastings ongoing investigations of CIA chief John Brennan and previous critical investigations of other well known figures, there was speculation of foul play.[9] Jordan played a role in clearing up speculations about her husband's death as being nothing more than a "tragic accident".
17:07 trinque bahhahaha
17:07 trinque oh you cleared it up, Elise?
17:07 trinque yeah, everything's crystal clear.
17:09 trinque https://tribfox40.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/john-brennan.jpg << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face?
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17:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeNcID )
17:09 trinque I tend to think there's something to that.
17:10 BingoBoingo I merely asked which Brennan hoping that you might have a connection between the Hastings murder and St. Clair County State's Attourney Brennan Kelly who has declined to prosecute fake Libertarian Dallas Cook for his felony.
17:11 trinque ah
17:18 BingoBoingo Just standard county bumpkin hypocrisy. Keep my misdemeanor case in limbo because they lack evidence while giving some village clerk dude a pussy pass for a politically motivated felony committed with malice.
17:21 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:21 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.66, vol: 9483.04600052 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 272.23, vol: 5591.88464 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 276.87, vol: 12326.91096504 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 5.56044756 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 275.165244, vol: 12451.89750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 276.3772, vol: 22.56746777 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 279.731199989, vol: 82.963955 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
17:23 BingoBoingo ;;more
17:23 gribble 275.645884428
17:29 funkenstein_ re: hastings, uconnect: "boston brakes" is the term used in reportage by veteranstoday and others
17:31 trinque heh, not bad
17:32 trinque !up bosma
17:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300646 @ 0.00054123 = 162.7186 BTC [-] {3}
17:42 scoopbot_revived Grooveshark Cofounder Dead at 28 http://qntra.net/2015/07/grooveshark-cofounder-dead-at-28/
17:43 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/FzHM9 and https://archive.is/lspvC
17:43 assbot Grooveshark Cofounder Dead at 28 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSAAb1 )
17:43 assbot "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSAzUo )
17:50 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209982 << myup. 'physiognomy'
17:50 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 21:09:23; trinque: https://tribfox40.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/john-brennan.jpg << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face?
17:51 pete_dushenski popular most recently with nazis and southern gentlemen
17:51 trinque ha, which am I?!
17:51 pete_dushenski look in the mirror and find out ?
17:52 trinque !b 4
17:52 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DENS1E.txt )
17:53 pete_dushenski 'tis the true mark of a professional : self-assessment
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53450 @ 0.00052427 = 28.0222 BTC [-] {2}
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17354 @ 0.00053124 = 9.2191 BTC [+]
18:05 mod6 alright trinque.
18:07 mod6 looks like you made it 1500 blocks before you started seeing the nonstandard txin
18:10 mod6 ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail
18:10 scoopbot_revived The lessons of the Shoah. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/22/the-lessons-of-the-shoah/
18:11 mod6 this tx: fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d
18:11 trinque mod6: so just let it run?
18:12 mod6 nope. you're wedged.
18:12 trinque ah, balls
18:12 trinque I'll investigate further and verify whether it's libressl
18:12 trinque BingoBoingo: which version of libressl were you successful using, and was that with an existing chain or one started from scratch?
18:16 mod6 so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001
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18:19 gernika mod6 interesting that I ran into that on OpenBSD once, but got around it on a second try, not using libressl.
18:19 scoopbot_revived Counterfeit Coupon Dealer Pleads Guilty http://qntra.net/2015/07/counterfeit-coupon-dealer-pleads-guilty/
18:20 trinque mod6: so this may be an example of relying on an openssl bug?
18:20 BingoBoingo trinque: I did 2.0 from scratch and right now 2.1 is working on an existing chain
18:21 trinque this was 2.2.1
18:22 BingoBoingo Ah, I'm not running -current and have no ideas what changes it might have
18:23 trinque http://deedbot.com/ << lol, who is this?
18:23 assbot deedBot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ehxPr9 )
18:29 trinque ah 'tis punkman
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00052421 = 10.2745 BTC [-] {2}
18:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83293 @ 0.00052994 = 44.1403 BTC [+]
18:34 mod6 gernika: hmm, remember what openssl version & block number? was it our Reference Implementation? feel free to post a log like trinque did next time.
18:35 mod6 In other news, I have 6 automated tests. This is pretty neat.
18:35 trinque nice.
18:46 punkman trinque: nope
18:46 trinque oh really?
18:47 trinque weird.
18:47 punkman well the github link's mine
18:47 punkman domain is Ragnar's
18:47 trinque ah, k
18:47 trinque mistyped my own and was bemused at the elephant
18:48 punkman ;;seen RagnarDanneskjol
18:48 gribble RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
18:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00052385 = 32.8978 BTC [-] {3}
18:50 punkman re:physiognomy, kinda fun book http://www.amazon.com/The-Physiognomy-Well-Built-City-Trilogy/dp/1930846533
18:50 assbot The Physiognomy (The Well-Built City Trilogy): Jeffrey Ford: 9781930846531: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Im2bH1 )
18:52 trinque neat, looks to be one you can get used for peanuts on amazon
18:54 punkman finished the new Fargo series, was pretty good
19:04 pete_dushenski weird that RagnarDanneskjol linked to the nakamoto knock-off of mp's gpg contracts article instead of teh original
19:06 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/19/porscheflation-and-the-death-of-automotive-purity/#comment-23778 << cazalla wins the elusive and much sought after 'contravex footnote reader' award :D
19:06 assbot Porscheflation and the death of automotive purity. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Im3JAT )
19:06 cazalla pete_dushenski, ha thanks, any idea if boy or girl yet?
19:07 pete_dushenski i'll be damned if it isn't a boy
19:08 pete_dushenski saves me from pumping out 5 girls or something just to get that one name-bearer !
19:08 cazalla i am grateful my first was a boy, hoping the next will be too
19:10 cazalla for some reason i thought you were a bachelor
19:10 pete_dushenski cazalla that reputation is well cultivated ;)
19:11 pete_dushenski !up julmac
19:16 pete_dushenski how goes julmac ?
19:19 mod6 hey this is good thing: http://dpaste.com/2EMM9H3.txt
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19:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ehEXnm )
19:19 mod6 asciilifeform: ^^
19:21 pete_dushenski o hey wd.
19:25 trinque pete_dushenski: congrats and best wishes on fatherhood.
19:25 pete_dushenski cheers :D
19:25 gernika mod6 stator, openssl-1.0.1g.
19:26 pete_dushenski trinque i'm already practising the not sleeping lifestyle
19:30 trinque yep, probably going to need that skill
19:30 trinque though I'm told I mostly slept like a rock
19:30 trinque still do, too
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19:45 hanbot does anyone have or know where i can get a glibc-static deb package?
19:48 hanbot mazel tov pete_dushenski
19:49 pete_dushenski hanbot why thank you :)
19:49 * pete_dushenski 's jaw is getting sore from smiling
19:53 trinque hanbot: glibc should already be on there; it is the C standard library most commonly in use on linux
19:53 trinque "static" would be in reference to how your bitcoind is built against it and other libraries
19:54 trinque that said I could be wrong, and perhaps the files required to statically link are in a separate package
19:54 trinque apt-cache search <package name fragment> is useful for finding packages
19:56 trinque I want to say it's called libc6 on debian, and I don't see a separate static pkg
20:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76700 @ 0.0005341 = 40.9655 BTC [+] {2}
20:00 trinque you'll need libc6-dev for the headers and whatnot
20:01 trinque probably pulled in by that build-essential package
20:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20695 @ 0.00054057 = 11.1871 BTC [+]
20:12 hanbot trinque have libc6-dev, no idea if that's sufficient for ref imp building purposes. build-essential doesn't seem to have any explicit reference to static flavoring either.
20:13 hanbot if glibc on its own is insufficent tho, i have little faith libc6-dev without the -static moniker would work
20:15 trinque hanbot: see 8.3 here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html
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20:15 assbot Debian Policy Manual - Shared libraries ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jga8wj )
20:16 trinque build-essential is a big meta-package which only serves to depend on many of the other packages necessary for compiling things
20:20 hanbot aha, that link is a great lead, bless you trinque.
20:21 trinque np
20:21 trinque https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libc6-dev/filelist << the .a files are the ones
20:21 assbot Debian -- File list of package libc6-dev/jessie/amd64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgaCTg )
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20:45 shinohai I have rebuilt boost, made symlinks, and recited pages from The Necronomicon, but still cannot get rid of /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_filesystem
20:57 mod6 <+gernika> mod6 stator, openssl-1.0.1g. << what did you do to get around this?
21:01 ben_vulpes hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html
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21:01 assbot [BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build reference implementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlPThQ )
21:02 trinque ben_vulpes: neat, looks great
21:02 trinque mind if I bolt my gcov stuff to it later in the week?
21:02 gernika mod6 I changed nothing :(
21:02 ben_vulpes "patches welcome"
21:03 trinque bonus points for using push/popd
21:04 ben_vulpes only sane way to manage implicit state of shell imho
21:04 trinque yup, keeps one from littering information about path structure throughout the script
21:05 ben_vulpes defensive bash programming
21:05 ben_vulpes i'm down to a single finger and i intend to kepe it
21:05 mod6 gernika: you just restarted it and then it it verified the sig?
21:06 gernika mod6 I set a new (empty) datadir and started over.
21:10 mod6 we saw stuff like that before with the 168`001 Verify Signature fail too. most of the time it failed for us... the three of us who were independantly testing it. But sometimes, it'd pass. Maybe 30% of the time. I was pulling my hair out.
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21:10 mod6 any idea what block number it was? or txid?
21:10 gernika I have the last block
21:11 gernika Not sure how to get the txid
21:11 mod6 do you hvae the log?
21:11 gernika I have the debug log yes
21:11 mod6 nice. put it somewhere for me to look at.
21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20646 @ 0.00052785 = 10.898 BTC [-]
21:13 punkman trinque: at which block did libressl barf?
21:14 mod6 <+mod6> ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail
21:14 gernika mod6 http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/debug.log
21:14 mod6 <+mod6> this tx: fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d
21:14 mod6 thanks gernika
21:14 gernika np
21:15 trinque punkman: 124276
21:15 gernika mod6 let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with this. Would suck if x% of pogos wedged at 168001
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21:15 trinque er yeah, 275
21:15 trinque mistyped
21:16 mod6 it didn't barf on 124`275
21:16 punkman trinque: yeah I think I got stuck at the same block using some other openssl version
21:16 trinque mod6: right, that was the last that worked
21:16 mod6 it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276
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21:16 trinque I can try a few other libressl versions later tonight, I think
21:17 punkman trinque, you could recompile and make it skip that one, find the next weird one
21:17 mod6 for us we thought that the 168`001 verify signature issue at first was due to the fact that 168`000 is the last checkpoint. but totally unrelated. threw us off for a bit though.
21:18 trinque I ran with verifyall btw
21:19 mod6 that's good.
21:20 punkman hmm, so what's special about this one I wonder, http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d
21:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRy75 )
21:20 mod6 my one gentoo (all ascii's patches through verifyall x86-64/glibc) build got all the way up to where nsl is wedged. but my openbsd one is crawling along on verify all also... so far: height=220047
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21:21 mod6 punkman: good q.
21:21 ben_vulpes http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000130.html << panzers: snipped some assperimental macos turds
21:21 assbot [BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build referenceimplementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRDra )
21:21 mod6 gernika: sure, we should be beyond that now with 1.0.1g but, we'll see.
21:22 punkman tx is here btw https://gist.github.com/jgilmour/6215961
21:22 assbot Bitcoin secureRandom affected address list - #1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRFPT )
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52221 @ 0.00052945 = 27.6484 BTC [+] {2}
21:24 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, frere
21:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:24 punkman http://hdiff.luite.com/cgit/haskoin/commit?id=0.1.0 "-- Signature in input of txid fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d Strange DER sizes. But in Blockchain"
21:24 assbot haskoin/ - haskoin - http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnkiPM )
21:27 mod6 holy yikes gernika
21:27 mod6 you got wedged on the 168`001 block? aka: you were stuck on block 168`000 according to this.. although, i dont' as of yet see a Verify Signature failure in here...
21:28 hanbot so .deb package checked against .rpm file list shows libc_stubs.a missing, the other eleven are present. debian says no .deb packages contain this guy. i'm assuming i need it. auto.sh still errorful after grabbing everything else here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209888 (errorflurry: http://dpaste.com/26ZEG17 ). doesn't look like that missing library has anything to do with it, but prolly problematic down the line?
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21:28 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 19:26:16; ascii_field: yum install gcc libstdc++ gcc-c++ glibc-static
21:28 assbot dpaste: 26ZEG17 ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnkyy7 )
21:29 hanbot (in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210086)
21:29 assbot Logged on 23-07-2015 00:15:18; trinque: hanbot: see 8.3 here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html
21:29 gernika mod6 correct it just ... got stuck
21:30 mod6 and in your memory you don't remember seeing the "Verify Signature failure" in there?
21:30 trinque hanbot: dunno, I tend to stick to gentoo
21:31 * trinque looks at pastes
21:31 mod6 This goes for all: If you get wedged for some reason while running the R.I. please stop in and ask right away. Back up the debug.log for us too plz.
21:31 gernika mod6 restarting on the same blockchain didn't help
21:31 mod6 im sure it didn't. that's really bad.
21:31 mod6 s/that's/this is/
21:31 gernika mod6 I wasn't looking for it, but no I don't recall seeing it
21:31 mod6 hmm. alright.
21:32 mod6 well, if you see it again, let us know. thanks!
21:32 trinque hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db
21:32 mod6 punkman: good find
21:33 trinque hanbot: it may be helpful to change the script at the top, where it says /bin/sh, changing to /bin/sh -e
21:33 trinque it will then at least bail out at the first error, will otherwise happily derp past errors to the next command
21:33 mod6 if you need to check that you have indeed statically linked in openssl 1.0.1g into your binary, you can do this: hexdump -C bitcoind | grep "1.0.1g"
21:33 BingoBoingo https://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=143760023528979&w=2
21:33 assbot 'Re: Keyboard Interactive Attack?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlSEQj )
21:33 mod6 that /should/ tell the tale
21:36 hanbot <trinque> hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db << this, despite " Found 'openssl-1.0.1g', skipping... Found 'db-4.8.30', skipping... Found 'boost_1_52_0', skipping..." ?
21:37 trinque hanbot: yep, because those messages are coming from commands in the build script, whereas further down there are warnings galore of missing headers
21:38 trinque which are coming from the compiler
21:39 ben_vulpes hanbot: i put my little kalash together to address some of the pain you're experiencing
21:42 hanbot ben_vulpes very cool. as said earlier, i'm explicitly going the "painful" route 'cause that's what stator ml post describes. i'd love to use the tools you & mod6 have put up --just, not the point of this specific exercise
21:42 hanbot which i'm not sure will work out, but gotta try
21:43 ben_vulpes gl
21:43 ben_vulpes hf
21:46 hanbot hehe ty.
21:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118728 @ 0.00053991 = 64.1024 BTC [+] {2}
21:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00054077 = 27.6874 BTC [+] {2}
21:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00054078 = 20.0359 BTC [+]
21:52 scoopbot_revived Brute Force for keyboard-interactive OpenSSH Logins Discovered http://qntra.net/2015/07/brute-force-for-keyboard-interactive-openssh-logins-discovered/
21:54 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/3WiUG
21:54 assbot Brute Force for keyboard-interactive OpenSSH Logins Discovered | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlUfpg )
21:54 BingoBoingo ^ People demand knob with which to hang self from. Get hung from knob.
22:00 hanbot ben_vulpes ofc, the dependencies arguably sh/could be handled before someone lands on RI stuff. hm. i guess i'll have to self-debate a while.
22:02 ben_vulpes hanbot: i wrote it entirely fed up with doing this dance every. single. time.
22:03 ben_vulpes i now have a kalash that i can point at most linuxes, fire, and produce a static build
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62919 @ 0.0005418 = 34.0895 BTC [+] {2}
22:11 hanbot right. but then my question to you (& mod6 ) would be, if this is -the- way to get it done, should the RI be re-released to reflect that? though again, if the pain is in (reasonably straightforward) dependencies, rather than the release itself, i'd imagine that's another matter.
22:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126150 @ 0.00052366 = 66.0597 BTC [-] {2}
22:13 hanbot yeah, i think i'll user yer kalash to just get dependencies sussed before i revisit this notion.
22:22 asciilifeform tratatatata
22:22 * asciilifeform hands hanbot new mag
22:23 * asciilifeform sits and tries to figure out why it is that folks had to add anything to 'stator' to make it go
22:23 asciilifeform considering that it went, without any major changes, not only under gentoo but under the most wretched centos etc
22:24 ben_vulpes auto.sh has never worked well for me.
22:24 asciilifeform in other nyooz, incitatus is at full height
22:24 asciilifeform and mostly putters along.
22:24 asciilifeform 24 connections.
22:25 asciilifeform i never really got the point of 'auto.sh'
22:25 asciilifeform are there really so many patches, that it is a major labour to verify them manually ?
22:26 asciilifeform they took days, in some cases, weeks, to write - 10sec./each to verify is too long?
22:28 decimation http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zEH_vydUPPk/S48zqfAZfKI/AAAAAAAAACM/Og7E73HE62E/s1600-h/new_zone.gif < on the way to bombing romania (wwii)
22:28 assbot new_zone.gif (image) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWd8S )
22:28 ben_vulpes there is working on the thing and distributing the thing
22:28 ben_vulpes and gradations between pogo and "to ml"
22:28 decimation I built stator on centos
22:28 decimation err, rhel6 just fine
22:29 decimation without mod (other than eater)
22:29 asciilifeform decimation: i have paper magazines somewhere with that picture in'em
22:30 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1210020 << !!!
22:30 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 22:16:20; mod6: so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001
22:30 asciilifeform plz details ?
22:31 decimation my node (connected to 'zoolog' is almost to 316k, going faster now it seems)
22:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1210060 << aha that's correct behaviour
22:32 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 23:19:24; mod6: hey this is good thing: http://dpaste.com/2EMM9H3.txt
22:32 trinque asciilifeform: there's my debug.log a few lines up
22:33 trinque http://deedbot.org/bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc
22:34 asciilifeform woah
22:34 asciilifeform that's quite a few of'em
22:35 mod6 <+asciilifeform> plz details ? << log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2015#1009754
22:36 asciilifeform ^ did we ever determine the particular tx ?
22:36 mod6 sure
22:36 asciilifeform link?
22:36 mod6 sec
22:37 trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-07-2015#1210129
22:37 assbot Logged on 23-07-2015 01:16:30; mod6: it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276
22:37 mod6 http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c
22:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWxVf )
22:37 asciilifeform neh that's not 168001
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22:37 mod6 trinque: we're talking about the origina barf on 168`001
22:37 trinque ah, sorry
22:38 mod6 1629931 ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed
22:38 mod6 from my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx
22:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWBo3 )
22:42 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210095 << dearglub, that this is looooooooong
22:42 assbot Logged on 23-07-2015 01:01:08; ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html
22:42 asciilifeform whyohwhy
22:43 asciilifeform $ wc -l stator.sh
22:43 asciilifeform 42 stator.sh
22:43 asciilifeform what was wrong with ^ that
22:48 ben_vulpes i said something was wrong with it?
22:48 ben_vulpes anyways, i'd written mine earlier.
22:49 asciilifeform ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMkPo2RGK28
22:49 assbot Chava Alberstein- Jewish partisan song with english subtitles - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXjBI )
22:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:49 ben_vulpes all of these "do this and then do that and then do the other thing" shell scripts that a) don't bail on error and b) aren't easily twiddled drive me up a wall.
22:50 ben_vulpes i wrote the kalash because it addresses needs of mine: being able to run arbitrary bits of the whole process
22:50 ben_vulpes don't like, don't use.
22:50 asciilifeform fair.
22:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152800 @ 0.0005228 = 79.8838 BTC [-] {2}
22:58 asciilifeform ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhlwy6d8vBk << not a bad likbez re: that other incident, also.
22:58 assbot To Live and Die with Honor: The Story of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Short - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXMnn )
22:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:58 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/23/us-usa-biden-security-idUSKCN0PW2AG20150723 << the crime being "had a gun"
22:58 assbot Armed man arrested in LA where Biden was due to speak| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXJrN )
22:59 trinque I suppose he forgot to unload it, bad luck.
22:59 asciilifeform armed man arrested in munich where hitler was due to speak.
22:59 asciilifeform etc.
23:00 mod6 ok i think i fixed the dumpblock param issue, but it'll hvae to wait until tomorrow or when i have a bit more time to test
23:05 decimation 82.130.102.173 < keeps connecting and dropping to mine too
23:08 BingoBoingo http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/becoming-the-new-barbarians
23:09 assbot Becoming the New Barbarians — RADIX JOURNAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnzsA1 )
23:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: '¡A las Barricadas! ¡A las Barricadas! por el triunfo de la Confederación.' (tm) (r)
23:18 * asciilifeform tripping on the fact that this existed
23:18 mircea_popescu o which reminds me.
23:18 BingoBoingo lol asciilifeform
23:20 mircea_popescu re "And so a better example for Syriza to follow, were they to suddenly stop being Europe's pathetic poodles and don the mantle of fearless, heroic revolutionaries, is still the good old Russian revolution of 1917." << one willing to eat up this dollop should best remember that socialist revolution failed.
23:20 asciilifeform Alza la bandera revolucionaria...
23:20 mircea_popescu it failed when che tried it abroad, and humiliatingly. it failed in castro's hands, at home.
23:20 mircea_popescu it failed in moscow as it failed in beijing - the successors are today more capitalist than hamilton, and for good reason.
23:21 asciilifeform eh that's sorta like saying that 'forest fire failed' - because there are still, somewhere, trees.
23:21 mircea_popescu socialism is still the doctrine of unadorned stupid, and it's still this in large things as it is this in small things - be it revolution or your daily dealings. stupid stays stupid.
23:22 * asciilifeform admires the audacity and virility of che et al separately from the peculiar follies of 20th c. mega-empires
23:22 mircea_popescu sure.
23:22 asciilifeform the 'blade of grass in the concrete'
23:22 mircea_popescu who'd women fuck screamingly is a good proxy for quality
23:22 asciilifeform to borrow a mircea_popescuism
23:22 mircea_popescu but it's notreally the same thing. just an exam
23:23 asciilifeform brezhnevobama - the concrete, yes
23:23 asciilifeform che - no.
23:23 asciilifeform grass.
23:23 * BingoBoingo was kinda sad when mega fire did not hit during mega drought year of 2012 here. Would have been good for the Morels.
23:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the virility, audacity etc aside, and the guy's very seductive smile aside - he wasn't very intelligent.
23:26 mircea_popescu this is a problem. and, much more importantly - he failed. he failed uniformly, predictably, throughout. hard to see past this.
23:27 asciilifeform the intelligent are sitting in some cellar, cranking out nth numerical approximations to schrodinger's eq. for system of five atoms.
23:27 asciilifeform not cutting throats
23:27 mircea_popescu meanwhile any random mexican cartel owner is right now out of jail and if he's in he's running a brothel of the guards.
23:27 mircea_popescu this is patently untrue.
23:27 decimation managed to get loads of betas in frats to wear his face
23:27 mircea_popescu decimation this is already suspicious.
23:27 mircea_popescu haven't seen that many lambs in lion tshirts so far.
23:28 asciilifeform i am broadly unconvinced that mr cartel is in any sense more intelligent than che. more narrowly focused, yes.
23:28 mircea_popescu i was speaking as to success.
23:28 mircea_popescu intelligence is a more... spiritual problem.
23:28 trinque I'm not much convinced che's anything other than a celebrity
23:28 trinque *was
23:28 trinque or that populist movements like that are at all desirable
23:29 mircea_popescu right. i suppose to bring this to an edge, we could ask alf to explain difference between jack warner and clark gable in terms of che.
23:29 mircea_popescu so whioch is he ? gable also had a "very seductive smile".
23:29 mircea_popescu and died broke if memory serves.
23:29 asciilifeform trinque: getting killed by a dedicated usg death squad is an exam of sorts. can one pass this exam and not be someone worth considering ?
23:29 trinque eh I could get myself done that way this evening if I wanted
23:29 trinque hehe
23:29 trinque but I see what you mean
23:29 asciilifeform DEDICATED
23:29 asciilifeform not some street cop
23:30 asciilifeform as in, folks who board five unmarked planes to get to where you're dug in
23:30 trinque I will admit to reading about various revolutions over the years wondering "where's mine?"
23:30 * BingoBoingo actually pretty pumped about hearing tomorrow
23:30 * asciilifeform has been wondering this since he was 4 y.o
23:30 decimation more likely: haho jump from the next border
23:30 mircea_popescu srsly ?!
23:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you gonna blog about it ?
23:30 trinque asciilifeform: need "force amplifier" like your "mind amplifier" and forget about the derps
23:31 trinque I don't think anything good can come of anything which requires populist buy-in
23:31 decimation revolution is the last thing anyone should want
23:31 asciilifeform address all inquiries re: force multipliers to herr tesla
23:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The aftermath likely. Dun want to tip the hand too early.
23:31 decimation a bunch of crazy egotist adventurers taking power
23:31 mircea_popescu trinque the better q, of course, being what are you going to say ?
23:32 mircea_popescu this entire "my revolution" thing seems to me a lot like "i wanna be on a stage, like carlin!" well ok. and to say what ?
23:32 trinque mircea_popescu: mhm, and I don't claim at this moment to have a proposal
23:32 asciilifeform 'populist buy-in' is what we have now.
23:32 mircea_popescu then why'd you care ?
23:32 mircea_popescu a lot of thankless, boring work, that.
23:32 phf revolutions look like fun though, "we were trully free on the barricades", that's why all those bored aristocrats would travel to third world countries, if they failed to start shit up at home. positive long term effects not so much
23:32 decimation I like this 'new barbarian' guy
23:32 asciilifeform ^
23:32 mircea_popescu phf they ARE fun, yes. but only for the stupid.
23:32 asciilifeform see also limonov
23:32 mircea_popescu organised crime is also fun. also for the stupid.
23:32 trinque mircea_popescu: I'm gonna die anyway, and this sucks.
23:32 decimation follow his advice, be tribal, give less of a shit about govt
23:33 asciilifeform what trinque said.
23:33 asciilifeform and limonov was there in 1995.
23:33 asciilifeform even re: the 'tribal' bit.
23:33 mircea_popescu this is all fine, but there's a bridge between "my cunt itches" and "i'm married now"
23:33 mircea_popescu is there even ?
23:33 trinque hahaha
23:34 asciilifeform very easy to 'give less of a shit about govt' all the way until you find yourself trying the 'be tribal' thing in a usg death camp.
23:34 mircea_popescu see ? not so fun for the stupid. "true freedom" comes from a neglect of consequences.
23:34 trinque I figure I'll keep educating myself and getting ahead, and see what happens in a decade.
23:34 phf i move few blocks away from where they burned down MOVE compound. though those guys were genuinely .. not quite there
23:34 mircea_popescu whosoever can not do this is stuck being a bureaucrat not a revolutionary, no mattert the context.
23:34 decimation meh. usg doesn't have the energy to startup death camps
23:34 decimation and they would likely be easy to escape
23:34 asciilifeform they are already in business
23:35 asciilifeform go escape from fed pen.
23:35 mircea_popescu decimation obviously trhey'd be outsourced.
23:35 mircea_popescu the 100 mn business majors looking to change the world in the US notably ARE energetic enough to run macdonalds.
23:35 BingoBoingo mircea I mean https://archive.is/ChrKw happened. I don't want to say "civil case" may be in the pipes, but... thank scientology http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/slap-can.htm
23:35 assbot Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1g6aavz )
23:35 assbot Malicious prosecution no longer risk-free in Illinois, thanks to CAN ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy4evB )
23:35 mircea_popescu death camps are nothing compared.
23:35 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo need some dough to press that
23:35 decimation well, keep the local da as part of your tribe :)
23:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Or time.
23:35 mircea_popescu heh
23:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209919 << lmao ok.
23:36 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 19:49:51; hanbot: "The latest Tweets from Quentin Amalou (@aquentin). Doctorant en sciences humaines et sociales à @UnivAvignon. Sociologie du cinema et de la musique." ftw.
23:36 mircea_popescu "sociology of the theatre" ? such deadly refinement by now.
23:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180250 @ 0.00054114 = 97.5405 BTC [+] {4}
23:36 mircea_popescu i am bracving myself for the "sociology of sociologists of obscure fields" phd.
23:37 phf mircea_popescu: i see now what you mean by "for the stupid", re "neglect of consequences". i always thought that was a character flaw though, not necessarily sign of intelligence
23:37 trinque mircea_popescu: I think seeing the world as it is, one imagines there could be another where there are leaders with as you say, interesting things to do
23:37 mircea_popescu a lot could be said about it, let aside that nobodyu'd care, so why shouldn't a phd be offered ? once it's offered, why should it wear a red striope in its id, "this shit's pointless nutso stuff fopr rich people" ?
23:37 asciilifeform mno
23:37 mircea_popescu and then get clueless working cl;ass kids thinking "it's theiur calling" because totally, that's how the world works, with "Callings"
23:38 mircea_popescu phf well if you can explain the difference between these two...
23:38 mircea_popescu trinque not for most people.
23:38 asciilifeform actual revolution means that 25 y.o. schmuck can transform to commander with personal death authority over ten thousand.
23:38 asciilifeform overnight.
23:38 mircea_popescu authority, sure.
23:38 asciilifeform this is appealing for perfectly reasonable, if not practical, reasons.
23:38 mircea_popescu random derp who inherits a wall street firm, also authority.
23:39 asciilifeform random derp 'chose parents carefully'
23:39 mircea_popescu which brings us right back to, "what do you wish to say, anyway"
23:39 decimation it's possible the derp could be Napoleon
23:39 mircea_popescu because, mind, if you actually got something to say might as well say it.
23:39 mircea_popescu and if you don't, why even bother with the trappings.
23:39 mircea_popescu ;;google monty python "the theory which is mine"
23:39 gribble Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs>; Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zWjUhfj-M>; Monty Python's Flying Circus: Brontasauraus Theory - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM10y4XgTG0>
23:39 asciilifeform trying to formulate a hypothesis here
23:39 mircea_popescu aite.
23:40 * mircea_popescu is all ears.
23:40 asciilifeform re: what is appealing about violent upheavals
23:40 asciilifeform for the 'armchair general'
23:40 mircea_popescu ah, that's plainly obvious. they;'re appealing like rape is appealing. their bloody violence is sexually satisfying.
23:40 decimation it's appeal to Napoleon to finally rule the world
23:41 asciilifeform the idea of biodieseling the sclerotic aristos and their imbecile offspring is appealing to healthy folks, imho
23:41 trinque doesn't my being embedded in the world necessitate being concerned with its state?
23:41 trinque if I care about myself in the slightest?
23:41 asciilifeform for the same reason why pink prime gurlflesh is more appealing than the circus horrors BingoBoingo linked
23:41 decimation asciilifeform: the thing tends to feed itself. the new army officer's position depends on the old officers being exiled, thus they are married to the adventure
23:42 trinque asciilifeform: everyone likes when a shithead gets his; is laughter for anything else?
23:42 asciilifeform is it better to be married to a desk ?
23:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you see it's sexual.
23:43 mircea_popescu trinque it doesn't follow you should give a shit about yourself ; it doesnt follow even admitting that the world is of interest.
23:43 asciilifeform in more or less the same sense that all other vigorous and healthy activity is sexual
23:43 decimation well, desk isn't as exciting, if safer
23:43 trinque mircea_popescu: who says should, I do
23:43 mircea_popescu ah, sure then.
23:43 phf i guess if your life is dull, might be better to be limonov. so it's a wish fulfillment, i.e. "when the zombies come i'll be the badass survivalist guy". i'm still not sure why byron did it though
23:43 mircea_popescu normally "necessitate" is a hidden should.
23:44 decimation plus, maybe if the 25 year old is Napoleon you can get rich on some awesome loot
23:44 mircea_popescu phf why byron "did it" = had a bunch of chlorotic virgins say stupid shit about him ?
23:44 * trinque brb
23:44 phf heh, fair
23:44 mircea_popescu decimation sure, rich like the chiabur.
23:44 asciilifeform when considering what byron's likely alternatives were...
23:45 asciilifeform did not want to marry desk. i respect this.
23:45 mircea_popescu (tk kibār, eq of rus kulak)
23:46 decimation heh chiabur isn't english
23:46 decimation ah
23:46 mircea_popescu being rich isn't english either.
23:46 asciilifeform l0l
23:46 mircea_popescu puritan bunch
23:46 decimation well, better kulak than starving peasant, plus you get to pillage a few neat italian cities
23:46 asciilifeform who the hell sees the appeal of revolution in 'get rich' ?!!!
23:46 mircea_popescu entirely up to you, this.
23:46 asciilifeform that's a new one to me
23:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do you think el dorado was ?
23:47 asciilifeform a treasure hunt ?
23:47 mircea_popescu revolution for people who couldn't afford to fight the king.
23:47 mircea_popescu what else.
23:47 decimation asciilifeform: lol 'get rich' is almost immediately what the revolution turns into
23:47 asciilifeform well yes.
23:47 mircea_popescu well so then.
23:47 asciilifeform and in many ways, that time's 'silicon valley'
23:47 decimation once they gain power and can't figure out what else to do
23:47 asciilifeform considering the grantsmanship that went into el doradoism
23:47 mircea_popescu decimation no buyt see, it's an important problem. "so you're on the stage, alright now - what do you say ?"
23:47 asciilifeform one more or less had to scam a king to play
23:47 mircea_popescu "everyone should walk funny from now on" ?
23:48 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah absolutely I see that
23:48 decimation especially since 99.999% of 25 year olds are not napoleon
23:48 mircea_popescu you're moses, up on the mountain, you're smith with his fucking stupid hat and the even more stupid but full of themselves early americans
23:48 mircea_popescu what do you sya ?
23:48 asciilifeform you say things like: 'you - spread yer legs.' 'you - spat on my father. spread your arse cheeks for sharpened telephone pole.' etc.
23:48 mircea_popescu "ummir and fuckthir" ? why ?
23:48 mircea_popescu with a straight face ? seriously ?
23:48 mircea_popescu this is why "power corrupts", incidentally.
23:48 mircea_popescu this will break a man.
23:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is not unlike street urchin's idea of wealthy
23:49 asciilifeform i could, i think, watch telephone poles enter arses for 25 years.
23:49 mircea_popescu "sandwich every day!"
23:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/revenge/english/e_revso << possibly
23:49 assbot George Orwell: Revenge is Sour ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy7mra )
23:50 mircea_popescu i happen to enjoy revenge,
23:50 mircea_popescu but i must point out that it's likely same as how i enjoy horse riding
23:50 mircea_popescu an acquired taste. not something one can just jump into.
23:50 mircea_popescu and that "acquired" part is a lot of time and a lot of resources and so on.
23:51 decimation on the other hand, when raw power is rushing around - available for many to grasp - someone's hand will be strong enough to keep hold
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 315 @ 0.00390473 = 1.23 BTC [-] {5}
23:51 mircea_popescu again, that you hold the ring is not the issue.
23:51 mircea_popescu what do you tell it to do!
23:51 asciilifeform the mega-appeal of revolution is, just as limonov summarized, it is a chance to trade in guaranteed-die-behind-desk for die-with-sporting-chance
23:51 mircea_popescu sure.
23:52 decimation invade italy; get rich, become emporer
23:52 mircea_popescu but, provided you don't actually die. what. do. you. do.
23:52 mircea_popescu "become emperor" is not a thing.
23:52 decimation but then get bored and declare ware on the entire world
23:52 mircea_popescu "lived happily ever after"
23:52 asciilifeform mno
23:52 phf i the wrath of god will marry my own daughter and with her i'll found the purest dynasty the earth has ever seen
23:52 asciilifeform you play again.
23:52 mircea_popescu it only exists from this side of the silver screen
23:52 asciilifeform or what phf said!
23:52 mircea_popescu phf srsly ?!
23:53 mircea_popescu why the fuck would i want my own daughter. i suppose i should table this until i somehow have one,
23:53 mircea_popescu but it seems a lot to me like making my own car. holy shit i'd much rather have a car someone else toiled with.
23:53 asciilifeform making own car has appeal
23:53 asciilifeform i've given it serious thought at times
23:53 mircea_popescu o, i know this about you.
23:53 phf mircea_popescu: well, the scene involves everyone being dead by that point, and aguirre just making mad proclamations on a drifting raft besieged by invisible indians
23:54 asciilifeform ^
23:54 mircea_popescu problem is - you'll prolly start a revolution by first building a country.
23:54 mircea_popescu phf ah i entirely missed this was a reference.
23:54 asciilifeform or better yet, alive, and not being able to lift a finger, on account of them all wearing remote-switched detcord collars
23:55 mircea_popescu such a mmorpg view of politics.
23:55 decimation !up Erika-Mustermann
23:55 asciilifeform !up Erika-Mustermann
23:55 decimation the nordic system returns?
23:55 mircea_popescu whossat ?
23:55 BingoBoingo No, I though Nordic system started with a j or some shit
23:55 decimation was gibt's?
23:56 BingoBoingo !s Nordic System
23:56 assbot 15 results for 'Nordic System' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Nordic+System
23:56 decimation BingoBoingo: it has a deeper bench than that
23:56 asciilifeform hey, this could be the ~other~ nordic system !
23:56 asciilifeform can hope!
23:56 mircea_popescu you know, incidentally, im not so sure that 99.999% figure.
23:57 asciilifeform ?
23:57 mircea_popescu it may well be 14% of kids are in fact napoleon.
23:57 mircea_popescu rest is luck, and having bernadotte.
23:57 asciilifeform that's close to limonov's figure iirc
23:57 decimation asciilifeform: isegoria did a thing on finnish baseball - looks awesome! http://www.isegoria.net/2015/07/what-finland-can-teach-america-about-baseball/
23:57 assbot What Finland Can Teach America About Baseball « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnvVWV )
23:57 mircea_popescu im enamoured with this ballas notion - 1%, 14% aspies, 85% derps.
23:57 asciilifeform 1% who ?
23:58 decimation mircea_popescu: certainly napoleon had an aspie-like grasp of tactics, etc
23:58 mircea_popescu heh. know about that one time he forgot about a coupla divisions ?
23:58 mircea_popescu or that other time when he thought he had lost and well... the officers carried ?
23:58 BingoBoingo finnish baseball sounds like the worst! When do you go to get your next beer?
23:59 asciilifeform when nth beer is empty
23:59 mircea_popescu i thought finns drank fermented herring and what is this "beer".
23:59 asciilifeform nah that's jp
23:59 decimation he was called the 'little corporal' because he went out and sighted guns himself http://napoleonsightings.blogspot.com/2010/08/napoleon-sighting-002-little-corporal.html
23:59 assbot Napoleon Sightings: Napoleon Sighting #002: The Little Corporal ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy9e3m )
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