00:00 |
gernika |
Well, they shouldn't outlaw it, at least. |
00:01 |
BingoBoingo |
It's about aesthetics |
00:07 |
PeterL |
aesthetics or anesthetics? |
00:08 |
mats |
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/army-details-cuts-alaska-georgia-texas-hit-hardest/ |
00:08 |
assbot |
Army Cuts Hit Alaska, Georgia, Texas Hardest « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBnsjr ) |
00:13 |
PeterL |
" “At that point,” Allyn continued, “we will no longer be capable of fulfilling our responsibilities in accordance with the national security strategy.” " << Maybe they should bring some troops home from around the world? |
00:14 |
mats |
meh, hire Triple Canopy. |
00:14 |
BingoBoingo |
PeterL: Totally about aesthetics |
00:15 |
mats |
this reduction in force has been planned for a decade |
00:15 |
mats |
by... politicians |
00:16 |
PeterL |
well, the army is the biggest item in the budget, so if you want to make a dent it is the obvious place to start |
00:21 |
mats |
my understanding is that the long term plan has been to reduce the size of conventional troops to pay for more stuff in the socom budget |
00:21 |
mats |
since rumsfeld/bush |
00:24 |
oglafbot |
http://oglaf.com/synod/ |
00:24 |
assbot |
Cadaver Synod ... ( http://bit.ly/1O54gpA ) |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf << carl force confiscations |
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00:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1O54fCg ) |
00:24 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: ty |
00:25 |
cazalla |
PeterL, hey congrats! missus and i banged it out a few times last month trying for another.. find out if it took this week |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
^ long live the waterfall, aha |
00:25 |
PeterL |
it's funner if it takes longer |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
or will it pay for tx fees once gavinspam runs short of oldcoinz ? |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
(letting blocks fall under 950kB is out of the question, dontchaknow) |
00:28 |
cazalla |
what medication is that guy on? anti-depressants? |
00:28 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: My guess is txfeespam |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2015-info/poor-door-nyc/poor-door-nyc.htm << also lulzy |
00:30 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1O54YDn ) |
00:30 |
* |
asciilifeform did not know ^ existed |
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00:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00054017 = 7.4814 BTC [+] {2} |
00:52 |
BingoBoingo |
poor door is SOP in larger US cities |
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01:27 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell peterl congrats. boy or girl ? |
01:27 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
gernika certainly a good objection. |
01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
seems beyond fucking stupid to frame that discussion in terms of banning tobacco. or for that matter, banning tobacco. |
01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless, obese people are an offense to humanity. |
01:30 |
mircea_popescu |
and speaking of motivation to act healthy - http://31.media.tumblr.com/970b9af35bd767902b45116e3b5ab04a/tumblr_n7k8g6t70m1rl2fgko1_500.gif |
01:30 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1SipssW ) |
01:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34268 @ 0.00053256 = 18.2498 BTC [-] |
01:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15826 @ 0.00053256 = 8.4283 BTC [-] |
01:56 |
BingoBoingo |
SO finally got 0.7.2 ish built on OpenBSD 5.6 again. Turns out the problem this whole week was pointing at the wrong BDB version |
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02:30 |
mthreat |
I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then. |
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02:30 |
mthreat |
I'm going to move it to a different server soon to avoid this problem. |
02:35 |
cazalla |
;;isup qntra.net |
02:35 |
gribble |
qntra.net is down |
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03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
mthreat send you a btc to help bills along ? |
03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla lookin into it |
03:27 |
mircea_popescu |
206.144.86.90 - - [13/Jul/2015:02:19:37 -0400] "GET /2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/ HTTP/1.1" 200 6182 "http://qntra.net/" "PHP/5.{3|2}.{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}" |
03:27 |
mircea_popescu |
lol somebody doesn't grok this entire regex thing |
03:33 |
punkman |
"Greece 'strikes deal with creditors' after all-night talks finally end in agreement following 17 hours of tense negotiations " |
03:33 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the highlights ? |
03:33 |
punkman |
you know, same deal as the one people voted off as "NO" |
03:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
03:34 |
punkman |
but now we've killed all trust in banks |
03:34 |
mircea_popescu |
oxicodone. |
03:34 |
punkman |
which is a good thing of course |
03:34 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, trust. |
03:34 |
punkman |
maybe they wanna buy up Greece before the "long winter" ? |
03:34 |
mircea_popescu |
aren't these the same banks that stole 90% of cypriot funds a coupla years ago ? what trust. |
03:35 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100% |
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03:35 |
mircea_popescu |
much like idiot couples that "can't stand each other" to hear them talk, but then go have bad sex twice a week. |
03:36 |
punkman |
I don't see how they can remove capital controls anytime soon without... going more bankrupt? |
03:39 |
mircea_popescu |
it's probably coming out of land values. |
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03:40 |
mircea_popescu |
what's a thousand sq ft in downtown athens go for these days ? |
03:41 |
punkman |
no idea, but the europeans have been eyeing all that land owned by greek church |
03:41 |
mircea_popescu |
o |
03:41 |
mircea_popescu |
that gotta go. |
03:45 |
punkman |
they'll definitely sell off the telecom company to ze germans, which owns most cables and rents them out to the private telecoms |
03:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the eternal dilemma of the margins : self owned by the local idiots ? or by a distant, thus disinterested if actually competent empire. |
03:47 |
punkman |
Deutsche Telekom owns 40% already |
03:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"Since I am no longer at the helm of UO, lets look at where it has gone in my absence. Elves and ninjas have been added into the game, things I specifically had banned. This is only a small example of why and how Ultima has drifted away from Richard Garriott, but I have not drifted away from Ultima. Overused, irrelevant & reused RPG elements are not the essence of my Ultimate RPG. |
03:47 |
mircea_popescu |
|
03:47 |
mircea_popescu |
It is clear to me that I, Richard Garriott, am an essential ingredient of at least the Ultimate Ultima, if not more broadly the Ultimate RPG. Perhaps one day, now that the people who pushed me out of EA more than a decade ago are long since gone, EA will recognize that together, we could rebuild that franchise in a way that they have failed to do in the intervening years. Richard Garriott is an essential ingredient in |
03:47 |
mircea_popescu |
the Ultimate Ultima!" |
03:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22756 @ 0.00053256 = 12.1189 BTC [-] |
03:48 |
mircea_popescu |
for every actual steve jobs... |
03:49 |
punkman |
is that the portalarium guy? |
03:50 |
mircea_popescu |
well, legendary ultima creator, lord british etc. yes. |
03:50 |
punkman |
all the old game devs are trying to crowdfund games these days |
03:51 |
punkman |
idiots even bought back rights to Carmageddon |
03:52 |
mircea_popescu |
when it rains money, who's not gonna spare a pail ? |
03:53 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, guy sold origin for 30mn. fucking nuts. |
03:53 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine, origin worth 30mn in 1992, watsap worth 20 bn in 2014. |
04:01 |
punkman |
I don't remember playing any of his games, were they good? |
04:11 |
mircea_popescu |
supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series. |
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04:11 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell whaack ever got it to run ? |
04:11 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
04:23 |
punkman |
http://www.gamesradar.com/why-do-we-keep-forgiving-double-fine/ |
04:23 |
assbot |
Why do we keep forgiving Double Fine? | GamesRadar ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwqmV0 ) |
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04:42 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: So now that there's a deal do you want to write up Greece again? |
04:43 |
mircea_popescu |
dat piece o shit site. 3k lines page, content starts at line 798 |
04:47 |
mircea_popescu |
aaaaand by line 862 the schmuck's rehashed the same intro three times while proposing his spin on it also three times. substantiation is still implicitly promised but i lost hope of delivery and who the fuck is the author anyway ? |
04:47 |
mircea_popescu |
unemployed lousy public school teachers on the rampage. |
04:49 |
punkman |
heh |
04:50 |
punkman |
BingoBoingo: maybe end of this week, no reason to cover the derps move-by-move |
04:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Alright |
04:51 |
mircea_popescu |
when did this become a discursive style anyway, "general statement, unsubstantiated claim, restatement of general statement, restatement of unsubstantiated claim, second restatement of general statement, second restatement of unsubstantiated claim, and then move into "we" territory. |
04:51 |
mircea_popescu |
what fucking we. |
04:51 |
punkman |
the psychology of crowdfunders ^ |
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05:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00051355 = 7.3951 BTC [-] |
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06:09 |
scoopbot_revived |
An image worth ten thousand words of sadness. http://trilema.com/2015/an-image-worth-ten-thousand-words-of-sadness/ |
06:11 |
punkman |
"One intriguing detail with the EU statement: as part of market reforms designed to boost the economy, Greece will have to bring in Sunday trading hours." |
06:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17814 @ 0.00051757 = 9.22 BTC [+] {2} |
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06:49 |
cazalla |
;;isup qntra.net |
06:49 |
gribble |
qntra.net is down |
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07:12 |
punkman |
jurov, did ml barf at my last email? |
07:14 |
jurov |
gpg: BAD signature from "punkman" |
07:14 |
punkman |
I wrapped at 74 columns before signing :/ |
07:15 |
jurov |
try copying from sent mail and verifying |
07:17 |
jurov |
there are zillions of way how mail clients try to be helpful with autoformatting body text, not just wordwrap |
07:17 |
jurov |
better be safe and send clearsigned stuff as first attachment |
07:17 |
jurov |
^ explanation also for ben_vulpes |
07:20 |
punkman |
ok, it worked now |
07:21 |
jurov |
what was it? |
07:21 |
punkman |
I suppose squirrelmail did something to the message |
07:22 |
jurov |
one client that can be easily configured and relied on to keep body text intact, is kmail. maybe that's why kdepim shitgnome devs (reportedly) use thunderbird instead :D |
07:23 |
punkman |
made this patch with "git diff", hope it works |
07:24 |
jurov |
looks fine. pls, what version it applies on ? |
07:24 |
jurov |
oh thermonuke |
07:29 |
jurov |
still not added to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html .. this is hopeless |
07:29 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GZZDZT ) |
07:29 |
jurov |
i'm tempted to just abandon it ane let someone else try making turdatron_revived |
07:30 |
punkman |
how did I break patches.html? |
07:30 |
jurov |
not you |
07:31 |
jurov |
it's most likely my cancerous addon to gnu mailman that failed to process it |
07:31 |
punkman |
maybe it doesn't like git diff output? |
07:31 |
jurov |
it does not read the patch at all |
07:32 |
jurov |
if you sent lenna_full.jpg and lenna_full.jpg.sig it should add them to list, too |
07:33 |
punkman |
my .sig verifies right? |
07:33 |
jurov |
just checked.. it does not |
07:34 |
punkman |
wtf |
07:35 |
jurov |
it checks at your side? |
07:35 |
punkman |
yes |
07:36 |
jurov |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000122.html the sha1sums of your files are as shown here? |
07:36 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1fCl6kl ) |
07:36 |
punkman |
also works if I download .sig and --verify it |
07:36 |
jurov |
haven't you updated your key recently? |
07:37 |
punkman |
hmm I downloaded .patch attachment and it fails indeed |
07:37 |
jurov |
check the sums pls |
07:38 |
jurov |
if different, send me your ones and upload the patch, say, to dpaste for me to compare |
07:39 |
punkman |
I think something stripped a newline at eof |
07:40 |
jurov |
there is one empty line in the end of received .patch |
07:44 |
punkman |
I see sent patch ending with "}\n " and original with "}\n \n" |
07:44 |
* |
punkman flaps hands |
07:44 |
* |
jurov flails hands |
07:46 |
jurov |
cancer, indeed |
07:49 |
punkman |
does it work with --sign --armor files? |
07:49 |
jurov |
no it expects detached sigs |
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08:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00051222 = 13.7787 BTC [-] {2} |
08:11 |
punkman |
it stripped the last newline from readme_s.txt as well |
08:21 |
punkman |
well if it doesn't reject files that don't match .sig, I could just put them in a tar.gz |
08:24 |
jurov |
it won't reject any files, it just won't track them either |
08:24 |
BingoBoingo |
The solution to this problem really seems to be all of the retarded mail clients. |
08:27 |
punkman |
guess I should try sending with mutt |
08:27 |
jurov |
BingoBoingo: what do you mean? |
08:27 |
jurov |
punkman: it was squirrelmail that removed these newlines? |
08:28 |
BingoBoingo |
There's just a huge disconnect between how people expect their mail client to behave and how they actually do |
08:28 |
jurov |
punkman pls check the outgoing folder (if you have any), we need to know what caused this |
08:29 |
punkman |
jurov, well I assume turdatron didn't do this, so must be squirrel or something inbetween |
08:29 |
jurov |
and i assume turdatron did. so let's get rid of these assumptions, don the gloves and check what's there |
08:30 |
jurov |
it won't help me if you resend .tar.gz and forget |
08:30 |
punkman |
the attachments in my "sent" folder had stripped newlines |
08:31 |
jurov |
okay. so it's squirrelmail, thanks for info |
08:31 |
punkman |
trying to google "squirrelmail strips newlines" and I get nothing though |
08:31 |
jurov |
and that's why i put "check if your outgoiug mail verifies" in the manual nobody reads |
08:32 |
jurov |
!s squirrelmail |
08:33 |
assbot |
: http://s.b-a.link/?q=squirrelmail |
08:33 |
jurov |
oh search down again? |
08:35 |
BingoBoingo |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199092 |
08:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 06:30:15; mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then. |
08:37 |
jurov |
what a flashback to rg times "nm, phriend pays" :) |
08:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, before my time |
08:44 |
jurov |
basically, rg IPOed bitvps, happily paid divs, even submitted something resmbling monthly reports at first... until DC subscription ran out and nobody was around to pay it in fiat |
08:49 |
nubbins` |
heh |
08:49 |
nubbins` |
that's what happens when you let a 12yo run a business |
08:50 |
nubbins` |
those of you who are familiar with romance languages (mircea_popescu, davout, etc) may find this Canadian road sign amusing: http://i.imgur.com/GAdlYEM.jpg |
08:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GhfOQh ) |
08:52 |
nubbins` |
(literal translation of french: "men's holes on the students") |
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10:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.0005184 = 7.8278 BTC [+] |
10:33 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150713/punkman_debug_sanity_part1_f0023d64470b05705a891da5b52bb1c24eed955b.patch << neato |
10:33 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HqpgCT ) |
10:33 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: but, tell me this, what was the rationale for nuking the random rpc pw generator thing ? |
10:33 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: not particularly needed is it? |
10:34 |
asciilifeform |
imho it was precisely the correct thing. i don't use remote rpc, i don't give a fuck what the pw is so long as it can't be guessed |
10:34 |
punkman |
can put it back |
10:34 |
asciilifeform |
and i don't relish having to create it manually on every new machine |
10:34 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: well, not necessarily put it back, but think of whether there might be a more elegant pill |
10:35 |
punkman |
conf generator bash script that generates one? |
10:35 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
10:35 |
asciilifeform |
in that spirit. |
10:35 |
asciilifeform |
keep in mind that not all systems will have bash |
10:35 |
asciilifeform |
(iirc my pogo build does not) |
10:35 |
asciilifeform |
nor perl, etc |
10:36 |
punkman |
put it in makefile? |
10:36 |
asciilifeform |
i'm not even sure how to do this, other than in c, on a machine with no bash, perl, python, etc |
10:37 |
asciilifeform |
for now i'd just let that thing live |
10:38 |
asciilifeform |
other nitpick: the removal of the wx cruft is spiffy - it was next on my personal list. but i'd replace InitMessage with fprintf(FOO, ..... with FOO equalling stdout by default. this is because we might one day have a device with a character lcd screen, or teletype, or whatnot, and preserving the semantics of 'this is an init message' isn't entirely useless |
10:39 |
punkman |
InitMessage already had printf next to it |
10:39 |
asciilifeform |
ah hm |
10:39 |
asciilifeform |
what a crock of shit this thing was, from day 1... |
10:40 |
punkman |
perhaps some things that go to stderr currently, should also go to debug log |
10:40 |
asciilifeform |
ideally it'd all go to debug.log |
10:41 |
punkman |
it's still a mess, will need debug_sanity_part2.patch |
10:41 |
asciilifeform |
what's in that one ? |
10:41 |
punkman |
nothing yet |
10:42 |
asciilifeform |
and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ? |
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10:42 |
punkman |
I remember people complaining about that |
10:42 |
asciilifeform |
it needs to be switchable off, yes |
10:42 |
asciilifeform |
but if it is absent entirely, log will fill disk |
10:42 |
punkman |
if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate? |
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10:43 |
asciilifeform |
one more MB of shit for pogo rom ? |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
no thx |
10:43 |
punkman |
ok so I'll resubmit with those two back in |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
better solution is loglevels |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
max retains all, as your version does |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
min produces no log whatsoever |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
this one was on my list. |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
but i'm very much behind with my list. |
10:44 |
punkman |
what's inbetween min/max? |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
the replacement of various 'if debug ...'-isms |
10:45 |
asciilifeform |
these are to be displayed on max, but not on 'normal' |
10:45 |
punkman |
if(fDebug) is not used much though |
10:45 |
asciilifeform |
was gonna add verbosity in various spots, also, for 'max' |
10:46 |
asciilifeform |
still, nice work punkman |
10:47 |
asciilifeform |
i was certain i'd have to do this bit of cleaning myself, and it is a pleasant surprise not having to |
10:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199135 << wouldjabelieve i played the whole series ~BUT~ for 9 and 'Online' ? |
10:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 08:11:27; mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series. |
10:47 |
asciilifeform |
yes, especially loved the 1980s (commodore-64!) through '5' |
10:48 |
asciilifeform |
but i never got into mmporgs at all. what sort of game is it where player is not the hero! |
10:49 |
asciilifeform |
i can sorta picture the appeal of eulora, by imagining it as a kind of animated #b-a |
10:49 |
asciilifeform |
but items like 'ultima online' never got me hot&bothered |
10:50 |
solrodar |
asciilifeform: hello again, did you get my links above? |
10:50 |
asciilifeform |
solrodar: aha |
10:50 |
asciilifeform |
where's the recipe? |
10:50 |
solrodar |
at the top of the script |
10:51 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
10:51 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu as soon as somebody reports a successful replication of solrodar's recipe, imho he ought get the prize |
10:51 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
10:52 |
punkman |
where's the link? |
10:52 |
solrodar |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1198987 |
10:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 00:02:06; solrodar: asciilifeform: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py and http://178.62.64.22/bitcoin.sexpr |
10:52 |
solrodar |
the latter being the output of the former |
10:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199110 << re: banks, they are a furniture in the jail. so i apply solzhenitsyn's formula, 'НЕ верь, НЕ бойся, НЕ проси' - don't trust, don't fear, don't ask anything of it. |
10:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 07:35:15; mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100% |
10:54 |
punkman |
worthy to note that greece always had huge cash economy |
10:54 |
asciilifeform |
some folks have the meatwot to avoid or mostly avoid fiat banks. (a few of them here, iirc.) good for them. |
10:54 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: so does usa |
10:54 |
asciilifeform |
but not everybody gets to be part of it. |
10:56 |
asciilifeform |
solrodar: there is information loss in your s-expression output. |
10:57 |
asciilifeform |
in particular, i have no idea how many times function x calls y |
10:57 |
asciilifeform |
nor do the 'edges' specify in what direction goes the flow |
10:57 |
asciilifeform |
(is this standardized and implicit ?) |
10:57 |
solrodar |
the order is source and destination |
10:57 |
asciilifeform |
aha thx |
10:58 |
asciilifeform |
then this is usable. |
10:58 |
punkman |
are those nodes the filtered ones? |
10:58 |
asciilifeform |
looks like it |
10:59 |
solrodar |
yes, and overloads and template expansions have been merged into single nodes |
10:59 |
solrodar |
if you don't want that then you can comment out the call to merge_overloads |
11:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199113 << there is an interesting caveat, which is that land prices in the nato reich are proclaimed 'too big to fail' in the sense that they will never be permitted to fall into where a schmuck can buy a serious land holding |
11:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 07:39:32; mircea_popescu: it's probably coming out of land values. |
11:01 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., near where i live there is baltimore, md. a city where there are 5k usd plots of land. but i go and try to buy, and learn that it comes with a $maxint obligation to clean, build, guard... |
11:01 |
asciilifeform |
fuck that |
11:02 |
asciilifeform |
but logic suggests that if it were not for this 'small print', it'd be the same 200k as in washington |
11:02 |
asciilifeform |
in that sense, all cheap real estate is a mirage. if it could be had for $smallint, a speculator would already own it. |
11:03 |
asciilifeform |
(a large, industrial speculator, that is) |
11:04 |
* |
asciilifeform bll |
11:04 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
11:16 |
mod6 |
punkman: thanks for your patch submission! |
11:17 |
mod6 |
I tried to patch it in as it says in your email, but hit a snag in src/wallet.cpp -- any idea what might be going wrong here? : http://dpaste.com/24ZM2S0.txt |
11:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1K3XjE5 ) |
11:18 |
punkman |
mod6: try adding a newline at end of .patch file |
11:19 |
mod6 |
there alredy was one there. i can add a new one, but then ofc your sha1 wont match. no worries, will try. |
11:20 |
punkman |
mail client ate last line which was part of diff context |
11:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28278 @ 0.00051208 = 14.4806 BTC [-] {2} |
11:23 |
mod6 |
ok, so there is an 0a at the end of the file. tail doens't show it, but when I open it in ViM it's there... weird!: dpaste.com/0F8R1VJ.txt |
11:24 |
jurov |
punkman: just resend it with another mail client |
11:24 |
punkman |
I'll send new one with asciilifeform's suggestions |
11:25 |
mod6 |
alright, cool. thx! |
11:30 |
punkman |
mod6, when you have a moment, could you have a look at my_snprintf, strprintf and error() in util.cpp? do we need all that? |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
11:48 |
mod6 |
punkman: yeah, sure. i'll take a closer look at it here in just a bit. that work? |
11:57 |
mod6 |
might be better to use `diff -uNr a b` on your changes as opposed to `git --diff` too. |
11:57 |
mod6 |
or `diff --git` w/e. |
12:07 |
mod6 |
makes it /slightly/ easier to read. |
12:09 |
mod6 |
i have no idea why (as a lot of things in this code) this is done: btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0080 |
12:09 |
mod6 |
so getting rid of that and just calling vsnprintf looks fine to me. |
12:10 |
* |
mod6 looks at others. |
12:19 |
punkman |
mod6: that's the output of "git diff -p" command. I don't see any differences besides the "index d91d969..6b38259 100644" sections. |
12:26 |
mod6 |
if nothing else could you try with `git diff -pU`? |
12:27 |
jurov |
mod6 i happen to know exactly why _vsnprintf, it's windowsism |
12:27 |
mod6 |
the main annoying thing here is that we see (ex): @@ -77,7 +72,6 @@ T* alignup(T* p) |
12:27 |
mod6 |
type of stuff |
12:27 |
mod6 |
jurov: ahh, ok didn't know that. |
12:28 |
punkman |
it's in std lib http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/cstdio/vsnprintf/ |
12:28 |
assbot |
vsnprintf - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1gxiRPC ) |
12:29 |
jurov |
wanted to use snprintf in a win school project, had to call it as _snprintf |
12:29 |
mod6 |
yeah, `man 3 printf` |
12:29 |
jurov |
never did further research why m$ did this |
12:30 |
jurov |
neither did satoshi, apparently :D |
12:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.0005184 = 27.8122 BTC [+] |
12:41 |
mod6 |
punkman: your changes to strprintf, error and my_snprintf to utilize vsnprintf directly look fine. I see in FormatException you changed snprintf to my_snprintf, which is apparently designed to be "safer". |
12:41 |
mod6 |
Looks related to this: Concerning the return value of snprintf(), SUSv2 and C99 contradict each other: when snprintf() is called with size=0 then SUSv2 stipulates an unspecified return value less than 1, while C99 allows str to be NULL in this case, and gives the |
12:42 |
mod6 |
return value (as always) as the number of characters that would have been written in case the output string has been large enough. SUSv3 and later align their specification of snprintf() with C99. |
12:42 |
mod6 |
Is that the rationale there? |
12:43 |
punkman |
mod6, I just thought I'd remove some useless #defines, I got absolutely no clue what's going on there |
12:46 |
mod6 |
looks like error(const std::string &&format, ...) does the same gyrations as around _vsnprintf/vsnprintf as my_snprintf. which is kinda strange. my_snprintf must have been added later. |
12:47 |
mod6 |
http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0232 |
12:47 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1SjtQYu ) |
12:48 |
mod6 |
and strprintf (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0205) except it checks (ret >= 0 && ret < limit) as well as a few other things. |
12:53 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
12:58 |
mod6 |
punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf (which inturn calls vsnprintf) might be a good change. but unless we know why we're doing it, maybe we should just leave that alone. |
12:58 |
mod6 |
(in FormatException) |
13:05 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes, trinque, other apple users: http://www.lispworks.com/images/lw-ide-cocoa.png << apparently they have lower prices now. if you're still into commercial lisps |
13:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CAmuhJ ) |
13:06 |
ascii_field |
('lispworks ltd.') |
13:07 |
ascii_field |
^ firm was once infamous for charging royalties on runtime (!!!) for commercial apps. apparently no more. |
13:07 |
thestringpuller |
;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d4gbu/no_we_dont_we_dont_owe_you_anything/ << more hippie talk of hippies saying "Bitcoin will make poor people rich social justic and income inequality" |
13:07 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
13:08 |
mod6 |
punkman: also, there is a commandline option for -logtimestamps so maybe just leave fLogTimestamps = false; |
13:12 |
mod6 |
why are boost/function.hpp and wallet.h added to headers.h ? |
13:12 |
ascii_field |
mod6: they used to be in noui.h |
13:13 |
mod6 |
Ah! |
13:13 |
mod6 |
ok. |
13:13 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d4gbu/no_we_dont_we_dont_owe_you_anything/ct1rfi0 |
13:13 |
assbot |
scrimrot comments on "No we don't. We don't owe you anything." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sjv8CS ) |
13:14 |
mod6 |
so other than what I said above about keeping FormatException the same, and leaving fLogTimestamps = false, and asciilifeforms' notes above, looks pretty good :] |
13:14 |
mod6 |
thanks for putting effort into cleaning this stuff up. |
13:14 |
PeterL |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199256 << maybe have two config options, one that determines which things go into log file (min/normal/max) and another option which limits how big that file can get? |
13:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:16; asciilifeform: and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ? |
13:14 |
punkman |
mod6: what kind of insane person doesn't timestamp logs? |
13:14 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: the obsession with 'fair' is interesting - psychiatrically |
13:15 |
mod6 |
punkman: my thoughts too. |
13:15 |
mod6 |
but if we /always/ want them in there, maybe we should remove the commandline flag. |
13:15 |
punkman |
yeah forgot to remove that, will do |
13:17 |
mod6 |
phf: thanks for your submission be aware that this exists : http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0046 |
13:17 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAnhz6 ) |
13:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54400 @ 0.00051166 = 27.8343 BTC [-] |
13:22 |
phf |
mod6: ah good to know. i'll resubmit, not sure how my patch interacts with recent changes from punkman yet |
13:25 |
punkman |
punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf << there was a "#define snprintf my_snprintf" before, which I removed |
13:26 |
mod6 |
phf: yah was just about to say, maybe wait until he submits his, then you can apply yours on top. |
13:27 |
phf |
it might be worthwhile to replace all those printfs with syslog(3) calls, specifically introducing the priority as the first argument, i.e. LOG_ALERT, LOG_WARNING, LOG_DEBUG. maybe have it conditional compilation, so that real bitcoin instance will log to syslog, where's debug instance will still write to file |
13:27 |
mod6 |
punkman: ah, ok. |
13:27 |
mod6 |
i see that now. that's fine then. |
13:27 |
mod6 |
thx |
13:27 |
phf |
this will also let us remove dodgy log rotation and management functionality altogether |
13:29 |
mod6 |
sounds nice, but im wary about relying on outside daemons |
13:30 |
mod6 |
ben_vulpes, ascii_field, et. al. anyone have any other thoughts on this ^^ |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
13:32 |
ascii_field |
see thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199260 |
13:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:55; punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate? |
13:36 |
mod6 |
ah, thx. |
13:36 |
phf |
ascii_field: we seem to agree on loglevels, but what's your take on feeding logs into syslog? |
13:37 |
ascii_field |
phf: i'm biased in the direction of rolling functionality ~into~ bitcoind, rather than ~out~ to unixland |
13:37 |
phf |
understood |
13:38 |
punkman |
I just added a -shrinkdebug option |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
i'll let others comment. maybe i'm wrong about this one |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
and log rotation, etc. ought to happen in separate proggies |
13:38 |
punkman |
doesn't pogo have logrotate or anything already? |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
but keep in mind that the thing needs to work on machines with no perl, no bash, etc |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
punkman: not afaik |
13:39 |
punkman |
what does it do with logs? |
13:39 |
ascii_field |
iirc it has none |
13:39 |
mod6 |
:D |
13:40 |
punkman |
so shall I remove -logtimestamps? |
13:40 |
phf |
i think libc's syslog facility tries to pass messages to syslog and if the daemon is not running, they go into /dev/console instead |
13:41 |
phf |
but i think the easiest option is to adopt syslog interface (since they already have a reasonable list of priority tags), make it go to debug.log by default, and then interested parties can just do #define log syslog |
13:42 |
nubbins` |
people seem to think fair means "everyone has the same things" |
13:43 |
nubbins` |
but that's rarely, if ever, fair |
13:43 |
ben_vulpes |
wb nubbins` |
13:43 |
nubbins` |
ty |
13:43 |
nubbins` |
fair generally means "people have vastly different quantity and quality of things" |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: i'd rather not have compilation involved in configuring logs. |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field: the debug.log thing is horrendous imho |
13:45 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: agreed, I'd like to make the log more parsable |
13:45 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: i'm all ears re: an alternative that doesn't turn my 5MB pogo rom into 10 |
13:45 |
nubbins` |
jesus that reddit diatribe was rough |
13:45 |
ben_vulpes |
great big screaming steamer of "i cannot reason about this system" |
13:45 |
trinque |
I'm sure my cats would have things to say about fair if I stopped feeding them. |
13:46 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field: turn it off on the pogo. they're fire and forget, are they not? |
13:46 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: thing is, i like cutting code. but i dislike inserting dependencies on complicated unixisms like autorotators. |
13:47 |
ascii_field |
i also dislike increasing the subset of libc we use |
13:47 |
trinque |
what about a signal for it to close and reopen the log, and then people can do whatever they please outside it? |
13:47 |
ben_vulpes |
is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you? |
13:47 |
trinque |
(I'm not aware of whether it already has this) |
13:48 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: no. |
13:48 |
ascii_field |
i want log on mine, for example. |
13:48 |
phf |
ascii_field: autorotators exist because people don't know how to syslog mostly. i.e. you build a syslog demon based on the constraints of your system, i.e. on pogo might just be busybox's syslog, that does rudimentary truncation. elsewhere syslog writes to postgresql or whatever |
13:49 |
phf |
not running any syslog daemon turns it into fire and forget, so you won't get any logs unless you are physically connected to console |
13:51 |
ascii_field |
again this is entirely logical except that it creates a new dependency |
13:51 |
ascii_field |
i.e. one more thing i'd have to reimplement for msdos or bare-metal port. |
13:52 |
ben_vulpes |
can we get the best of both worlds? eg log to standard debug.log if unconfigured, syslog if configured? |
13:52 |
trinque |
you could have the best of both by having it just fart messages out stdout and stderr, then attaching it to something like svlogd if/when you want that in a file |
13:52 |
ascii_field |
^ |
13:52 |
trinque |
^ my usual setup when running services with runit |
13:53 |
trinque |
dat unix philosophy |
13:53 |
ascii_field |
^ |
13:53 |
ben_vulpes |
also logging is a pretty low priority ticket. if it looks better, has more information, is less braindamaged, is more consistent, great. does not deserve major surgery atm imho. |
13:53 |
ben_vulpes |
"ticket" |
13:53 |
* |
ben_vulpes still booting |
13:55 |
jurov |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d26tk/did_mike_hearn_work_in_sigint_does_he_now/ |
13:55 |
assbot |
Did Mike Hearn work in SIGINT? Does he now? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY5wvQ ) |
13:55 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: I disagree, how the hell are we supposed to debug with insane logs? |
13:56 |
trinque |
"But if so, he'd be the least well hidden operative ever." << lol |
13:56 |
trinque |
yes because you as a reddit user know what an operative looks like |
13:56 |
trinque |
having watched many movies on the subject |
13:56 |
ascii_field |
https://archive.is/nAitN << archive-d. somebody wanna deedbot this ? |
13:56 |
assbot |
Mike Hearn - Binding to a specified symbol version ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY5MLg ) |
13:56 |
trinque |
sure |
13:59 |
trinque |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2W904B9.txt |
13:59 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HY6acT ) |
13:59 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
14:00 |
trinque |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/262H0V4.txt |
14:00 |
assbot |
Mike Hearn - Binding to a specified symbol version ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY6pEO ) |
14:00 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
14:00 |
trinque |
both direct and as seen by archive.is |
14:03 |
nubbins` |
!up ascii_field |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
14:26 |
felipelalli |
is gribble down? |
14:26 |
ascii_field |
'Disconnected by services' << ??? |
14:27 |
ascii_field |
qntra also down ? |
14:28 |
felipelalli |
ascii_field, yes. http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://qntra.net/ |
14:28 |
assbot |
Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYak4v ) |
14:28 |
felipelalli |
!8ball |
14:29 |
felipelalli |
gribble seems sick. |
14:29 |
felipelalli |
;;8ball |
14:29 |
felipelalli |
nothing. |
14:29 |
gribble |
I doubt it very much. |
14:30 |
felipelalli |
ah! up again. |
14:31 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: i'm not advocating insane logs, i'm just saying pretty it up and make it consistent but perhaps we don't waste too much time arguing about syslog and logrotation at precisely this moment? |
14:34 |
ben_vulpes |
!up ascii_field |
14:35 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: actually sane logs are rather essential for other work |
14:37 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm not arguing against sane logs! |
14:37 |
ben_vulpes |
out of curiosity, what is 'other work'? |
14:37 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: say, figuring out how long it takes to verify block N |
14:38 |
ascii_field |
would be neat if i could learn this from looking at timestamps |
14:38 |
ben_vulpes |
ah indeed |
14:38 |
ascii_field |
or say i wanna pipe my node's log to a thermal printer. |
14:38 |
ben_vulpes |
eatblock doesn't provide for that? |
14:38 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: eatblock returns immediately |
14:39 |
ben_vulpes |
hm |
14:39 |
ascii_field |
(iirc the process is asynchronous.) |
14:39 |
ben_vulpes |
relatedly, i'm always amazed at how `getinfo' blocks on...something. |
14:40 |
ascii_field |
prolly the innumerable 'critical section' nonsense |
14:40 |
phf |
ascii_field: i don't think that's the case. i changed block processing to return false when the block is bastard, and eatblock started returning false for those. |
14:41 |
ascii_field |
neato |
14:41 |
ascii_field |
phf: post patch ? |
14:41 |
ascii_field |
in other nyooz, |
14:41 |
ascii_field |
https://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/2502 << mega-l0l |
14:41 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOh16 ) |
14:41 |
ascii_field |
'Trend Micro Threat Intelligence Manager installs a secure web interface (httpd.exe, tcp port 443/https) which listens for incoming requests. Several vulnerabilities have been found in the product that would allow a remote attacker to cause the product to execute arbitrary code.' |
14:42 |
trinque |
lol! |
14:42 |
trinque |
yet they called it a "secure web interface" |
14:43 |
ascii_field |
http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 << other lulz of the day |
| |
↖ |
14:43 |
assbot |
ProxyHam anonymising router project mysteriously closed down - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOp0F ) |
14:43 |
ascii_field |
^ seems to be a modernization of the ancient 'gold box' |
14:43 |
ascii_field |
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_box_(phreaking) ) |
14:43 |
assbot |
Gold box (phreaking) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOwt4 ) |
14:44 |
ascii_field |
pretty snoreworthy idea, but apparently hamhandedly desaparecido by usg |
14:44 |
ascii_field |
and now famous as result. |
14:46 |
ascii_field |
'Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device... Existing #proxyham units will be disposed of and no longer be made available at @_defcon_' |
14:48 |
ascii_field |
'it appears that his hand was forced – legally – complete with gags and destruction orders.' |
14:48 |
ascii_field |
( http://www.csoonline.com/article/2947377/network-security/privacy-talk-at-def-con-canceled-under-questionable-circumstances.html ) |
14:48 |
assbot |
Privacy talk at DEF CON canceled under questionable circumstances | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYc5yq ) |
14:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20030 @ 0.0005184 = 10.3836 BTC [+] |
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15:16 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
15:17 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198964 << the 'open source chinese phones' thing is a complete snorefest. wake me up when street urchins can fab even a, e.g., z80 |
15:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-07-2015 22:24:39; *: jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^ |
15:17 |
ascii_field |
any moron can get a pinout. |
15:18 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198977 << we had a 'novena' thread. sad joke |
15:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-07-2015 22:52:47; phf: jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop |
15:18 |
jurov |
z80 is closed source turd, too, no? |
15:18 |
ascii_field |
perhaps the ultimate joke. yet another schmuck helping to redefine what 'open' means, to the peanut gallery |
15:18 |
ascii_field |
jurov: not if you can read ru! |
15:19 |
punkman |
"Designed to augment existing privacy tools, ProxyHam is a Raspberry Pi computer with Wi-Fi enabled." << gag order for this?? |
15:19 |
ascii_field |
punkman: not like usg considers the question 'is this trivial to make' before they gag |
15:20 |
ascii_field |
for all we know, usg just finished installing 900Mhz intercept network and now is banking on 'streisand effect' to get us to use it. |
15:21 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198976 << the point i'm trying to make is that 'open' design is meaningless if it cannot be made, or, once made, verified at reasonable expense |
15:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-07-2015 22:31:52; jurov: but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice |
15:21 |
ascii_field |
in that sense jurov is right, all microprocessors ever made are 'closed source' |
15:22 |
jurov |
what russians did with z80 was not "reasonable expense" |
15:22 |
ascii_field |
aha |
15:22 |
ascii_field |
jurov has it. |
15:22 |
* |
ascii_field idly wonders how big z80 would be if turned into discrete ttl |
15:24 |
ascii_field |
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MXCHIP/MICO/master/MICO/Library/RF%20driver/wlan_firmware.c << and ~here~ is an example of what chinese consider to be 'open source'. |
15:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1RuHM70 ) |
15:25 |
punkman |
verified at reasonable expense << can you ever verify SoC in jungle conditions? |
15:25 |
punkman |
or back to wirewrap? |
15:25 |
ascii_field |
why wirewrap ? |
15:25 |
ascii_field |
solder. |
15:26 |
mod6 |
haha @ wlan_firmware.c |
15:39 |
nubbins` |
nasty magenta print head clog |
15:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30670 @ 0.00052756 = 16.1803 BTC [+] |
15:39 |
nubbins` |
turns out it's an issue with the cartridge in the CIS kit |
15:39 |
nubbins` |
or so they say, anyway |
15:39 |
nubbins` |
replacement part otw |
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15:44 |
punkman |
ascii_field: solder, sure. what's the most complicated component we can verify in jungle? (is there previous thread?) |
15:44 |
ascii_field |
ttl |
15:45 |
ascii_field |
other thing is, items like z80 or rom of ~known vintage~ can be considered 'verifiable' in a weaker sense of the word |
15:45 |
ascii_field |
stockpile ~now~ |
15:46 |
ascii_field |
not 5 years from now when the fakes are stamped out by the millions. |
15:47 |
punkman |
ttl? |
15:47 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
15:48 |
punkman |
oh nm, found it |
15:52 |
trinque |
ascii_field: might be cool to get a rough list of interesting historic artifacts from you sometime |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
trinque: what is interesting to one is just old junk to another. |
15:53 |
ascii_field |
but i like the idea of owning a lifetime's supply of non-nato cpu. |
15:54 |
mats |
http://i.imgur.com/3E4znLe.gifv |
15:54 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1K4pJ0F ) |
15:55 |
ascii_field |
wat. |
16:01 |
punkman |
ascii_field: so btc node on some kind of cray-sized monstrosity? |
16:01 |
ascii_field |
doubtful |
16:02 |
ascii_field |
in other news, |
16:03 |
ascii_field |
http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/2/9/0/4/1/1/4/md321_front.jpg?key=4vm4IxchvTR9PpuKsJQPcQ&ts=1436817817 |
16:03 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1K4qaIa ) |
16:04 |
ascii_field |
arm a9, 256M ram, video, usb; $12 or so in qty. 1 from cn |
16:04 |
ascii_field |
but afaik there is no (public) linux port |
16:04 |
ascii_field |
these are sold as 'miracast wireless hdmi receiver' |
16:04 |
ascii_field |
802.11 built in |
16:04 |
mats |
I have one like it |
16:04 |
ascii_field |
mats: ported linux to it ? |
16:05 |
mats |
ran openelec on it |
16:05 |
trinque |
http://www.rock-chips.com/a/en/products/index.html |
16:05 |
mats |
nope |
16:05 |
ascii_field |
the included one, afaik, does not support the usb port |
16:05 |
trinque |
pretty cool |
16:05 |
ascii_field |
which is the only means of adding storage |
16:05 |
ascii_field |
(whether it even is usb2, is unknown to me) |
16:05 |
ascii_field |
if yes, this can run a node |
16:05 |
ascii_field |
and is price-comparable with pogo |
16:05 |
ascii_field |
and available in qty. MAXINT |
16:08 |
ascii_field |
http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/29/acer-aerialcast-miracast-adapter-powered-by-realtek-rtd1185pa-rtl8192dv << similar device |
16:08 |
assbot |
Acer AerialCast Miracast Adapter Powered by Realtek RTD1185PA + RTL8192DV ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC7Fel ) |
16:08 |
ascii_field |
apparently these are rather plentiful |
16:09 |
trinque |
https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Realtek << looks like that realtek chip speaks usb2.0 |
16:10 |
assbot |
Realtek - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC83t9 ) |
16:10 |
trinque |
so there's some hope |
16:11 |
trinque |
the one on the xda link, I mean. |
16:14 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199544 << not the kind of "replacement part" I usually hear about in regards to a "CIS kit" |
16:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 19:39:41; nubbins`: replacement part otw |
16:15 |
ascii_field |
http://www.pandawill.com/e6-wireless-display-dongle-miracast-hdmi-wifi-display-tv-stick-black-p94914.html |
16:15 |
assbot |
E6 Wireless Display Dongle Miracast HDMI WiFi Display TV Stick Black ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC93h7 ) |
16:15 |
ascii_field |
slightly costlier than pogo; comparable specs; would need a mechanical adapter for usb drive |
16:15 |
ascii_field |
user would have to plug the thing into a tv set to configure 802.11 |
16:16 |
ascii_field |
and |
16:16 |
ascii_field |
i suppose it could display a spiffy graphical representation of blockchain, etc. |
16:16 |
ascii_field |
because, after all, has video jack |
16:17 |
ascii_field |
http://www.cnx-software.com/tag/mini-pc/page/30 << buncha material re: these machines. |
16:17 |
assbot |
mini-pc | Page 30 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC9qrK ) |
16:19 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron 8) |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
16:20 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: keep your css fingers off my bitcoins |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
none of these things have rtc, i must note. |
16:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29557 @ 0.00051166 = 15.1231 BTC [-] {2} |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: you can have the thing display 'screensaver' kaleidoscope if you like. |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
just, if you have vga, why not use. |
16:21 |
nubbins` |
pipe log to it 8) |
16:21 |
trinque |
I'm a sucker for cool viz |
16:23 |
ascii_field |
but the point stands - after several months of on and off searching, i did find a box which 1) is less than 2x cost of 'pogo' 2) very close in cpu and has NOT LESS ram than pogo 3) available in virtually unlimited quantities for the foreseeable future |
16:23 |
ascii_field |
on top of this, 4) from multiple competing vendors |
16:23 |
nubbins` |
toldja |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
it still remains to be seen 1) whether a sane linux port is possible for these 2) whether usb flash, of reasonable cost, can keep up - on these boxes - with blockchain. |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
and 3) whether these can be configured by users without resorting to black magic, |
16:25 |
nubbins` |
still, a promising sign |
16:26 |
ascii_field |
anyone who tries this - write in. |
16:27 |
nubbins` |
!s force-052-050.pdf |
16:28 |
assbot |
: http://s.b-a.link/?q=force-052-050.pdf |
16:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9309 @ 0.00052756 = 4.9111 BTC [+] |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: search is down |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
then i apologize if repost |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf |
16:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CCbIau ) |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199067 |
16:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 04:24:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf << carl force confiscations |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
^ thread |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
ty |
16:28 |
kakobrekla |
search down but alf still works. |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
order of forfeiture listing btc addresses, wonder if that's a first? |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
nah that was in the earlier one |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
ah |
16:29 |
nubbins` |
couple minor lels: |
16:29 |
nubbins` |
"49.999 BTC in 1YCMDxDoYwRApGjyoPVi5onrN8JRLt383;" |
16:29 |
nubbins` |
sent 50btc, took tx fee out of it |
16:29 |
nubbins` |
later learned his lesson: |
16:30 |
nubbins` |
"400.00101 BTC in 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE;" |
16:33 |
nubbins` |
wow, typos in THREE of the listed addresses? |
16:34 |
trinque |
I'll never be able to understand how someone working for an entity with a goddamn NSA thought he'd get away with it. |
16:34 |
trinque |
the whole thing stinks of bullshit |
16:45 |
* |
ascii_field bought a few of these boxes, of different makes |
16:46 |
ascii_field |
for subscribers of 'amazon', if you go for hong kong you can get one of the clones for ~$6 each (incl postage) |
16:46 |
phf |
ascii_field: novena's "open" is identity thing. kind of like "maker" means a person who buys lego pieces from adafruit website and then connects them using a tutorial. it just means that the buying demographic are the same people who have a handful of o'reilly books and run ubuntu |
16:47 |
punkman |
http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/13/donald-trump-el-chapo-fbi-son-tweet-death-threat/ |
16:47 |
assbot |
Donald Trump Calls in FBI Over Death Threats Involving El Chapo | TMZ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1Nxmr ) |
16:47 |
ascii_field |
phf: aha |
16:47 |
ascii_field |
phf: 'make magazine disease' |
16:48 |
ascii_field |
phf: meanwhile, actual-open disappeared as a thing from the world |
16:48 |
ascii_field |
and perhaps a dozen people noticed. |
16:48 |
nubbins` |
perhaps a dozen cared to begin with |
16:49 |
nubbins` |
actually cared, not "signed this change.org petition" cared |
16:49 |
ascii_field |
the rest will only contemplate 'caring' when the dildoes stop buzzing |
16:53 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
16:54 |
phf |
well, it was a recent mp thread, that i'm going to butcher, since i don't grok it fully yet, but it was something about how presence of the word already indicates the failure of described concept |
16:55 |
ascii_field |
aha, sorta like if it were usual for a bakery to advertise 'shit-free bread' |
16:56 |
phf |
"doesn't contain asbestos!" |
16:57 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-embassy-used-as-safe-haven-during-ukraine-uprising-investigation-finds-1.3148719 |
16:57 |
assbot |
Canadian embassy used as safe haven during Ukraine uprising, investigation finds - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1OYRX ) |
16:57 |
nubbins` |
unrelated: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/arseniy-yatsenyuk-stephen-harper-to-sign-canada-ukraine-trade-deal-tuesday-1.3149875 |
16:58 |
assbot |
Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Stephen Harper to sign Canada-Ukraine trade deal Tuesday - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1P5wI ) |
17:00 |
ascii_field |
l0l! |
17:00 |
ascii_field |
what do the urks intend to sell ? |
17:00 |
ascii_field |
stray dogs, for soap ? |
17:00 |
ascii_field |
themselves, idem ? |
17:02 |
punkman |
babies to all the new gay families? |
17:02 |
nubbins` |
O.O |
17:03 |
punkman |
oh wait it has been legal for a while in canada? |
| |
~ 31 minutes ~ |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
17:34 |
ascii_field |
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-April/037549.html << lulzy |
17:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HDX1Qd ) |
17:44 |
trinque |
ascii_field: lol @ the "bad exit node" whack-a-mole |
17:48 |
ascii_field |
i especially love how nobody suspects the isp |
17:48 |
ascii_field |
who could just as easily be the one to have fallen into the honeypot 'fake btc exchange login' |
17:49 |
ascii_field |
or the sheer militant idiocy in proclaiming the other exits innocent (by implication) |
17:51 |
punkman |
also https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/3a3ckb/introducing_new_bitcoin_mixertumbler_payshield_by/ |
17:51 |
assbot |
Introducing new Bitcoin Mixer/Tumbler: PayShield by Sigaint : onions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HE0caB ) |
17:52 |
punkman |
Signed, SIGAINT Administration, Ministry of Darknet Finance |
17:52 |
trinque |
"guys look we're fighting the good fight against teh fedz! also pls to be using our tumbler!" |
17:52 |
trinque |
uh huh. |
17:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26897 @ 0.00053586 = 14.413 BTC [+] |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
18:08 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
18:13 |
scoopbot_revived |
UK Student Convicted On Darknet Drugs Purchase http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-student-convicted-on-darknet-drugs-purchase/ |
18:15 |
ascii_field |
nubbins` ^ |
18:15 |
ascii_field |
and other 'it is not illegal to get a parcel with dope' folks ^ |
18:21 |
cazalla |
i actually found the guy on steam, waiting for him to come online to ask if he confessed under duress (i don't really expect much of an answer) |
18:21 |
ascii_field |
typically, being accused is duress enough |
18:22 |
punkman |
"confess and you only get community service" |
18:22 |
ascii_field |
just same now as in inquisition 500 yrs ago. |
18:22 |
ascii_field |
'confess and you get penance' |
18:22 |
trinque |
I remember being taught that the evil USSR forced confessions... |
18:23 |
ascii_field |
no more and no less than the example here. |
18:24 |
trinque |
yep, wondering aloud where this "good" other side might be |
18:25 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
18:31 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198641 << looks like this one was made for the occasion. student l0lpr0ject? |
18:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-07-2015 17:06:21; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5#928C2E1186A73348A919DFD04535B989BDD9497C80AE2DC96788955BFB99ECC9> |
18:33 |
punkman |
ascii_field, was it a direct submission? |
18:35 |
punkman |
http://shoestringfoundation.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2004/07/01 |
18:35 |
assbot |
The Shœstring Foundation Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1M72vtT ) |
18:35 |
ascii_field |
punkman: it appears to be in the sks data set |
18:35 |
ascii_field |
how it got there, is anyone's guess |
18:36 |
punkman |
^ someone found Joe before |
18:36 |
ascii_field |
^ does anyone have evidence that this text existed prior to may 20 ? |
18:37 |
punkman |
wayback machine has it |
18:37 |
punkman |
http://web.archive.org/web/20041119061023/http://shoestringfoundation.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2004/07/01 |
18:37 |
assbot |
The Bin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BxzP ) |
18:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55653 @ 0.00053068 = 29.5339 BTC [-] {2} |
18:39 |
punkman |
"Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps |
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18:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66347 @ 0.0005111 = 33.91 BTC [-] |
18:45 |
punkman |
http://www.joshwieder.net/2015/03/wikileaks-global-intelligence-file-dump.html |
| |
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18:45 |
assbot |
Josh Wieder: Wikileaks Global Intelligence File Dump is Loaded With Malicious Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1M73muP ) |
18:54 |
trinque |
very interesting. |
19:00 |
trinque |
"As of this writing (3PM @ 7-13-2015) Wikileaks continues to provide a torrent file with an identical timestamp, filename and byte size as the one I analyzed without any warning message notifying users of the danger of handling the files." |
19:01 |
pete_dushenski |
another one via josh : http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.7476 |
19:01 |
assbot |
[1303.7476] Conspiratorial cosmology - the case against the Universe ... ( http://bit.ly/1M74yOL ) |
19:01 |
trinque |
side note of... people gotta learn to UTC or specify time zone on the internet |
19:01 |
pete_dushenski |
"Based on the cosmological results of the Planck Mission, we show that all parameters describing our Universe within the \Lambda CDM model can be constructed from a small set of numbers known from conspiracy theory. Our finding is confirmed by recent data from high energy particle physics. This clearly demonstrates that our Universe is a plot initiated by an unknown interest group or lodge. We analyse possible |
19:01 |
pete_dushenski |
scenarios for this conspiracy, and conclude that the belief in the existence of our Universe is an illusion, as previously assumed by ancient philosophers, 20th century science fiction authors and contemporary film makers." |
19:01 |
* |
pete_dushenski is reading the paper now |
19:02 |
punkman |
" Journal of Comparative Irrelevance" |
19:02 |
trinque |
heh! |
19:03 |
pete_dushenski |
it's a joke ? |
19:03 |
punkman |
doesn't seem to exist unfortunately |
19:03 |
pete_dushenski |
sure it does. |
19:03 |
pete_dushenski |
it's just called 'journal of epidemiology' |
19:04 |
pete_dushenski |
or 'journal of behavioural economics' |
19:04 |
pete_dushenski |
same concept. |
19:04 |
trinque |
April 1, 2013 |
19:04 |
trinque |
also copyright "dada" may be part of the joke |
19:07 |
punkman |
http://lolmythesis.com/ |
19:07 |
assbot |
lol my thesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1M74X3w ) |
19:10 |
pete_dushenski |
heya mp |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
heya! |
19:10 |
pete_dushenski |
someone's excited to be here :) |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
what's new ? |
19:11 |
pete_dushenski |
it's hot as shit here. 30C+ |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
very pleasant 12ish here |
19:13 |
pete_dushenski |
a bit cool, but really quite livable for the south's 'january' |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
yeh i have no comp;laints |
19:14 |
pete_dushenski |
also, i just brought back the old skool razr phone into service |
19:14 |
pete_dushenski |
black |
19:14 |
pete_dushenski |
it's insanely cool. |
19:14 |
punkman |
12c, are they all wearing heavy coats and furs now? |
19:15 |
pete_dushenski |
the razr really makes me wonder why people with laptops or desktops would have 'smartphones' |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman like you wouldn't believe |
19:16 |
pete_dushenski |
is there an argentinian equivalent to the canadian 'toque' ? |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone's office in microcentro is like, you know, 1/4 mile away at most, i usually go around in a suit. you'd think i'm in swimming trunks for the looks teh women give out. |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski iirc that's a roman thing. but they wear coats and gloves and shit, it's ridiculous. |
19:18 |
pete_dushenski |
i seem to recall that women covering their heads the way we think 'muslims' do is in fact a byzantine tradition, but not sure about the men. |
19:18 |
punkman |
;;ud toque |
19:18 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=toque | toque. the ultimate in high Canadian fashion. worn year round whether it's cold or warm outside. and yes it does get warm in Canada! "I never leave the house ... |
19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
eastern, i think it predates the byzantines |
19:21 |
pete_dushenski |
punkman http://globedia.com/imagenes/noticias/2014/1/15/moda-invierno-2014-chicos-dsquared2_4_1956833.jpg << the highest of high fashions |
19:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1M75UZM ) |
19:21 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu makes sense |
19:21 |
punkman |
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/heinz-forced-to-apologise-after-qr-code-on-ketchup-bottle-linked-to-hardcore-porn-site-10327313.html |
19:21 |
assbot |
Heinz forced to apologise after QR code on ketchup bottle linked to hardcore porn site - News - Food and Drink - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1M75ZwA ) |
19:23 |
pete_dushenski |
baahhahah |
19:23 |
pete_dushenski |
too cheap to register the domain name for as long as the product isn't expired. |
19:24 |
punkman |
does Heinz even expire? |
19:25 |
trinque |
"Taking advantage of the free advertising, Fundorado also comment on the photo, and offered Korell a free year's subscription." << epic lols |
19:25 |
pete_dushenski |
punkman even if it doesn't, they still have to list one by law |
19:25 |
pete_dushenski |
not like kraft singles ever go bad either, still have label requirements |
19:26 |
pete_dushenski |
"Newly released records show the federal [canadian] revenue agency has written off at least $4 billion in debts in the last two years" |
19:27 |
pete_dushenski |
"The outstanding balance in undisputed, unpaid taxes was $29 billion as of March 31, 2012" |
19:27 |
punkman |
was it loans to Greece? |
19:28 |
pete_dushenski |
probably just canadian greeks using their deferred tax payments to buy real estate on mykonos 'while it's cheap' and getting roasted |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://i.imgur.com/UXCBWlW.gifv |
19:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TyBb9h ) |
19:28 |
punkman |
there is no real eastate on mykonos |
19:28 |
pete_dushenski |
thus the scam! |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar |
19:29 |
gribble |
Error: 'mykonos' is not a valid positive floating point number. |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar |
19:29 |
gribble |
Why You Should Be Investing Your Money In Real Estate: <http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/228506>; Investing in Commercial Real Estate - Entrepreneur: <http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/196042>; Real estate investing vs. buying a business (tenant, 7 ...: <http://www.city-data.com/forum/real-estate/1362608-real-estate-investing-vs-buying-business.html> |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
19:30 |
punkman |
heh |
19:34 |
cazalla |
http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2015/07/13/rapper-50-cent-files-for-bankruptcy/ |
19:34 |
assbot |
Rapper 50 Cent Files for Bankruptcy - Bankruptcy Beat - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1M76NBx ) |
19:34 |
punkman |
worth what it says on tin ^ |
19:34 |
punkman |
not bad |
19:35 |
pete_dushenski |
i guess his little cameo in 'spy' didn't cut the escalade-flavoured mustard |
19:35 |
punkman |
"he was supposed to appear in a New York state court to determine whether he owes punitive damages in a 2010 lawsuit filed by Lastonia Leviston, rapper Rick Ross’s ex-girlfriend" |
19:36 |
punkman |
more sextape |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199706 << Run Moar Winblowz!! |
19:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 22:45:12; punkman: http://www.joshwieder.net/2015/03/wikileaks-global-intelligence-file-dump.html |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199704 << he used ordinary sks, as far as i can tell. |
19:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 22:39:20; punkman: "Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
quite enough keys 'to eat with one's arse' |
19:42 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: historical copies might also be interesting |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: theoretically, keys are never removed |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
finding this, alone, would be newsworthy |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
(that is, evidence that any historical copies are anything other than subsets of the current snapshot) |
19:43 |
punkman |
would be interesting to diff 2004 sks dump with 2015 |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
19:44 |
asciilifeform |
keys that are altered or missing would be insta-newz. |
19:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55399 @ 0.00052554 = 29.1144 BTC [+] |
19:44 |
asciilifeform |
if anybody in my wot has such a snapshot - please write in. |
19:46 |
punkman |
"Going forward, Greece will have to stash its assets in a specially created fund and prepare them for sale “under the supervision of the relevant European Institutions,” “That may include buildings, possible areas of land, and even islands,” he says." |
19:46 |
punkman |
"To protect the natural, historical and archaeological value of such real estate, Greece would need to pass laws and empower oversight bodies to make sure that “the new owner does not abuse or damage the property,” " |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
rapetime, aha |
19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl. |
19:49 |
punkman |
"The idea of selling the Acropolis came up early in Greece’s debt crisis. In 2010, two conservative German lawmakers caused a furor in Greece by suggesting that ancient ruins should not be off limits to privatization. " |
19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so the euros do not wish the russians to buy this ? |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
neways, after all the "dignity" talk, are these supposed people of greece actually beheading the politicos in front of the temple ? or ? |
19:50 |
punkman |
oh no, they already said Tsipras should stop talking to Putin, the Enemy of All Things European |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
"we had a referendum, said no. you agreed with the euros. here's your death sentence. it covers your parents and offspring" |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
beheading five year olds similarly should not be off limits, what's zee german conservatives say ? |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
rich cultural heritage and all that. |
19:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64456 @ 0.0005038 = 32.4729 BTC [-] {2} |
19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose dignity's a lot like property, erryone's more than happy to claim it for as long as it's free. |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
they behead, the trucks full of freebies stop coming. |
19:53 |
punkman |
no time for dignity now, have to work on penance |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
and other trucks come instead |
19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
dude, but the dignitit. |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't even a forebrain syllogism, they know this with their arse |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
just like the rest of the 'civilized' world |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
and, esp., its outskirts |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd do it, honestly. |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
easy, when you don't need the 'normality' for anything. |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
not nearly enough beheaded politicos in a whole decade to pay for one single week. |
19:55 |
punkman |
we kinda run out of terrorist in the last few years |
19:55 |
punkman |
*terrorists |
19:55 |
trinque |
shortages everywhere... *sigh* |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
zing. |
19:55 |
pete_dushenski |
except in syria |
19:56 |
punkman |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Organization_17_November#Victims |
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19:56 |
assbot |
Revolutionary Organization 17 November - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1M77WsV ) |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, so then time to move the greeks off to the zoo. |
19:56 |
asciilifeform |
they were ever out of the zoo ? |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
yes |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
last time i was in athens, these objectionable things were all over the acropolis, filling the cafes, pretending they're like human beings an' everything. |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently i wasn't the only foreigner disgusted by the display. |
19:57 |
asciilifeform |
which ? |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
teh locals |
19:58 |
pete_dushenski |
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/48967.html << 'Shoeshine boy trading club, China chapter' is a kid on... bitcoinwisdom |
19:58 |
assbot |
Chicago Boyz » Blog Archive » Sic Transit Gloria China ... ( http://bit.ly/1M782Rm ) |
19:59 |
pete_dushenski |
bananacoin trader |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
20:00 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/04-overflow/20150424_china.jpg << direct link |
20:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1M7877s ) |
20:00 |
punkman |
looks shopped |
20:01 |
trinque |
screen is kinda bright for outside eh? |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199825 << not all greeks wanted to live in a natoreich zoo, aha. |
20:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 23:56:35; punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Organization_17_November#Victims |
20:01 |
trinque |
otoh china is smoghell |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman anyway, terrorism's useless for this purpose. |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta convict them to be beheaded, along with the entire fambly, through plain legal proceedings. |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
then carry it out. |
20:06 |
punkman |
gonna be a long wait for that |
20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so. |
20:10 |
punkman |
the terrorists never did much anyway, firebomb here and there every few weeks for a while |
20:10 |
punkman |
very few casualties |
20:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37701 @ 0.00053428 = 20.1429 BTC [+] {3} |
20:12 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.info/fm30-31b/FM30-31B.htm << relevant historical mega-l0l |
20:12 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HErFsD ) |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc they killed some cia dude then tapered off after that |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
(Official Truth holds that 'field manual 30-31b' is a ru forgery) |
20:13 |
punkman |
CIA station chief was their first one, then they killed some people in the 80s |
20:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46399 @ 0.00054175 = 25.1367 BTC [+] {4} |
20:15 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/cia-FM30-31B.htm << moar re: same. |
20:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HEs5z8 ) |
20:17 |
pete_dushenski |
;;ticker |
20:17 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.05, Best ask: 291.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 291.28, 24 hour volume: 74167.38437043, 24 hour low: 281.5, 24 hour high: 312.0, 24 hour vwap: None |
20:18 |
punkman |
"the Baris journalist who had come into the possession of FM 30-31B disappeared and was never heard of again" |
20:18 |
punkman |
but it's totally a soviet forgery |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
'The Pentagon document first surfaced in Turkey in 1973 where the newspaper Baris in the midst of a whole range of mysterious acts of violence and brutality which shocked the Turkish society announced the publication of a secretive US document. Thereafter the Baris journalist who had come into the possession of FM 30-31B disappeared and was never heard of again. Despite the apparent danger Turkish Colonel Talat Turhan two year |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
s later published a Turkish translation of the top-secret FM 30-31 and revealed that in Turkey NATOs secret stay-behind army was codenamed Counter-Guerrilla directed by the Special Warfare Department. From Turkey the document found its way to Spain where in 1976 the newspaper Triunfo, despite heavy pressures to prevent the publication, published excerpts of FM 30-31B upon the fall of the Franco dictatorship. In Italy |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
on 27 October 1978 excerpts of FM 30-31B were published by the political magazine L'Europeo, whereupon the printed issues of the magazine were confiscated. The breakthrough for the document came arguably not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s, when in Italy the secret anticommunist P2 Freemason lodge of Licio Gelli was discovered. Among the documents seized by the Italian police ranged also FM 30-31B. The Italian parliamentary inv |
20:19 |
asciilifeform |
estigation into P2 decided to publish FM 30-31B in the appendix of the final public parliamentary report on P2 in 1987.' |
20:19 |
* |
asciilifeform read the whole thing and observes that if it is a scam, it is a very high quality scam |
20:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112852 @ 0.00054015 = 60.957 BTC [-] |
20:20 |
trinque |
someday... it's going to be either the longest or shortest trial there ever was |
20:21 |
asciilifeform |
who will try these folks? martians ? |
20:21 |
asciilifeform |
or 'the beoble' ? |
20:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00054542 = 51.5967 BTC [+] {4} |
20:23 |
trinque |
who knows what the future will bring |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing is ever more common than the delusional notion that "these people" will escape. |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it hasn't yet occured to date anyone did escape. |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
yet it hasn't yet occured to date anyone skipped on the "impossibru" sauce, either. |
20:26 |
asciilifeform |
<mircea_popescu> it hasn't yet occured to date anyone did escape. << if 'escape' means 'die of old age, not beheading, and pass throne to successor' than hardly any of 'these people' ever ~did not~ escape.. |
20:26 |
asciilifeform |
am i thick or what. i dun get it |
20:26 |
* |
mircea_popescu shrugs. |
20:26 |
trinque |
uk ruled the whole world; look at them now |
20:26 |
trinque |
from where I sit they got theirs |
20:26 |
asciilifeform |
anglos still rule their reich |
20:26 |
asciilifeform |
just a different branch of family tree |
20:27 |
asciilifeform |
smooth change of management, w/out skipping a beat |
20:27 |
trinque |
maybe so, and maybe someone will say that's still true of the next thing |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
someone will definitely say that. |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
easiest thing in the world to say, after all. |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
^ incidentally, this touches on what imho was the major reason for the appeal of the soviet offering in the 'turd world.' |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
namely, that, whatever else could be said about it, |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
no one could confuse it with the anglo offerings. |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
no shortage of the confused. |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
who and where ? |
20:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Kicks, further documented http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2643 |
20:31 |
assbot |
JL: Entitlement Based Aggression ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEvcr1 ) |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"This has become the case with many white employees in retain food establishments who spend their shifts being harangued, threatened and demeaned by hate-spewing black customers who typically spend more on groceries in a visit than many retail food employees make in two weeks. Being a white employee in a city supermarket is like being a peasant on a medieval lords land." |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck is this a race issue ? |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
servants getting uppity ffs. |
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20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
guy's got money and you're the clerk. go suck his fucking cock omfg. |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
because when the colours are reversed, 'omg111!!111!!1' r4c1sm!! |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
of course being an employee in a supermarket is being a peasant on a lord's land. that is EXACTLY what it is. |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
also exactly what it should be. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform heh mkay, let's fix stupid by being stupid the other way!!1 |
20:34 |
trinque |
#killallmen |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf's next, we're all equal to the supermarket bozo and #holdhands ? |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo. |
20:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00053767 = 46.5085 BTC [-] |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose he doesn't know this, but hey, his loss. |
20:36 |
trinque |
god damn that cat in the sandal is hilarious |
20:36 |
trinque |
4th time opening it |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2015cd0f31424b30b7022c8ac229cefa/tumblr_n82k4dCqBH1t0jb24o1_1280.jpg |
20:37 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HEwemN ) |
20:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00051702 = 15.614 BTC [-] |
20:40 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo. << Supermarket guy is rightly in a low place. Welafare orcs excessively elevated. It's this sort of mess that will take Aztalan all the way to Long Island. |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno dude, seems nuts to me. some derp wishes to justify his being an asshole to some woman on the grounds of wide reaching sociodynamics ? |
20:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12015 @ 0.00052569 = 6.3162 BTC [+] |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
what, he's a faitful soldier in the war of whitehood against the evil blacks through not holding the door to some woman ? |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
some people are born to die on plastic carpeting under fluorescent lights srsly. |
20:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Dude seems rather obviously nuts, but it seems a symptom of the larger American decay. |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
there was some random retard of equivalent potency i loled at the expense of on trilema. this one was on a trip about how he "is trying to live to the server's expectations" or some shit in a restaurant. |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the issues people have in their own heads, when those heads are squarely devoid of anything worthwhile... |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot do you recall which article that was ? |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
from my reading, this is one of those 'nouveau poor', if you will. the absolute most abjectly miserable thing to be in usistan. |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
FOR HIS SINS |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
he's supposed to go "i'm a fuckwad of a lifeform, and not only i deserve every bit of the shit i get, but if i keep course there's going to be more" |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
folks with no experience of 'orcraft', of navigating that world, and having all the 'wrong' 'branded on the tongue' class markers, habits, etc. which set the buggers off |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
not this retarded "blacks made me be stupid and lousy" nonsense |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
asshole comes from a three generations line of jwz "i only wanted to...", and now he doesn't like the just dessers ? |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck him. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
should have beheaded tsipras when he had the chance. |
20:44 |
asciilifeform |
beheaded hamilton. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
whosoever. |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
(the actual plot of a famous 'alt-history' in usa) |
20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
lincoln, really, but anyway. |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
'the probability broach' |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
was even turned into a comic book.. |
20:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn << now phree on publisher's www. |
20:46 |
assbot |
Big Head Press - Thoughtful Stories, Graphic Novels Online And In Print - The Probability Broach: The Graphic Novel, by L. Neil Smith and Scott Bieser ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZrrkg ) |
20:46 |
asciilifeform |
pretty lulzy |
20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Millions of noveau poor USians emerge from school every year disadvantaged because they went to "good" schools in the suburbs that insulated them from orcraft |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought us supermarkets all have those sliding autodoors anyway, specifically to deal with the ever growing social awkwardness of usians. |
20:47 |
trinque |
sucks to be them; I went to those shitty suburban schools too |
20:47 |
asciilifeform |
doors - sop |
20:47 |
asciilifeform |
but the people still meet. |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
the fucking problems to have, seriously. |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
they're in kindergarten, there's no other way to look at it. |
20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes. |
20:48 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes. << Seriously can't even have a good riot |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, alf's point re the recent poor is well taken |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs. |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
THEY are to blame, for having believed bush or whoever the fuck they believed. |
20:50 |
trinque |
because they're there, and different |
20:50 |
trinque |
nothing more |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, the blacks WERE THERE |
20:50 |
asciilifeform |
they will take it out on themselves once a hitler shows up to help with this process. |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
like, before. and for that matter, know the terrain a lot better. |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose these are the same typically retarded usians that go to india and blame the indians for their inability to dowhatever X they wish to do. |
20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs. << noveau poor envies the comforts of the old poor |
20:51 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo has it |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
not like black dude cold-called you and persuaded you to be poor, motherfuckar! |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it was your state senator, go talk to him. |
20:51 |
asciilifeform |
usa was a very different-flavoured place under the old white gov. |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
yaya |
20:52 |
trinque |
cowards, simple as that. |
20:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Mostly noveau poor lacks the refinement of the old poor which prevents them from going full orc and riding the welfare train |
20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
if white bitches spent more time learning how to twerk at age 6, perhaps anyone'd give a lot more of a shit about the problems of white trash. |
20:52 |
hanbot |
<mircea_popescu> hanbot do you recall which article that was ? < i apparently don't |
20:52 |
trinque |
americans are subconsciously terrified of their own govt |
20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
what, he's special or something ? can't fit a shoeshine box in his hands ? |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: not just. all sorts of bureaucratic gears won't turn for you if you have wrong face |
20:52 |
trinque |
they simultaneously derive some kind of self-esteem from this fact |
20:53 |
trinque |
so no, they're not going to lash out at the monster, just some weird looking guy if they run across one |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so don't hold open the door to THAT OFFICE then! |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque or an incapacitated woman with children, why not |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
what's she gonna do, bleed on you ? |
20:53 |
trinque |
yeah |
20:53 |
trinque |
the louder my "countrymen" shout about nonsense the more I smell pissed pants |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
dude's such a public danger, why doesn't he go around at night through the ghetto bumping into derps and immitating anything they say! |
20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
(yes, i used to do that, at that age. it was fun, fwiww.) |
20:54 |
trinque |
why's every american an anxiety-ridden, pill-popping nutcase? |
20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
that's what i wanna know! |
20:54 |
trinque |
couldn't possibly be the unpredictable insanity of the economic system, or the brutal, violent govt |
20:54 |
trinque |
probably the black bitch |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque, abbot, costello &mp |
20:55 |
trinque |
heh |
20:55 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu scratch that, comments section of fried chicken: http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ |
20:55 |
assbot |
Fried chicken on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZsbWH ) |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot oh right! i knew we had a lol at that thing |
20:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116100 @ 0.00052869 = 61.3809 BTC [+] {3} |
20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ironically enough, with a beheaded hamilton the us would still to this day be a sort of congo. |
20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
the brief excursion into world relevancy of the shithole in question is wholly owed to hamilton & co. |
20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
the "evil bankers & capitalists" |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
true enough that it doesn't seem to last, congo is congo. but... it was a decent trip, for as long as it lasted. |
21:01 |
punkman |
I got a couple scamcalls from the Congo few months ago |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
bride ? |
21:03 |
punkman |
no idea, didn't pick up in time, just saw them in logs |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
twist : punkman's half brother has been in prison in congo since feb |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i wonder if this is going to lead to a new musical genre off the old superhero comics tree. just like destitute niggers had their stupid gangsta shit. |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
christian glam rock bands singin' about how they don't hold doors open at supermarket |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"whatever... i slam doors and i kill people! it's my hot country and i do what i want!" |
21:05 |
trinque |
there's some kind of shitty white supremacist "punk" I think |
21:05 |
trinque |
I've long wondered where all the supposed neonazis are; met one a while back and I think all he did was shoot guns and get tattoes |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
should make for some pretty easy enthusiastic teenage poon, if it ever takes off. |
21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I don't see how it doesn't happen as I only anticipate the rape of white trash to increase. |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno... there really aren't that many blacks. |
21:09 |
trinque |
it's strange; there's something similar between the guy's door-holding and the utter lack of any dangerous subculture |
21:09 |
trinque |
as if all we can do is "act as if X" |
21:10 |
trinque |
somebody more well-read could identify what's malfunctioning in american identity-synthesis there |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
!s not a country |
21:11 |
assbot |
: http://s.b-a.link/?q=not+a+country |
21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
who was i having this discussion with ? |
21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's going to be a lot more Chinese. It also really doesn't help the newer generations of white trash that they are ill equipped mentally, physically, and morally to cope. |
21:11 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: yeah, what you said about a country being a place where young men know who they are, it's right on the mark |
21:11 |
trinque |
I considered that particular line for a long while after |
21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo on the positive side, all good things ever come out of an ill equipped kid stuck in a blender. |
21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course. |
21:12 |
kakobrekla |
the timeout on the search is outrageous. |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla mthreat said it's being moved to another server. |
21:13 |
kakobrekla |
aha, i had that particular http request in mind, but good to know |
21:14 |
kakobrekla |
60 seconds, exactly. |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque and that's what multiculturalism actually is, ftr. given that it is SO COMPLICATED to have a cultural superstructure that allows any semblance of passible solution to that, and given that any sort of formal proof of superiority and inferiority ~AMONG THAT SET~, strictly, strictly among that set is so hopeless, |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
you're way the fuck better off just letting everybody use their own answers than trying to force some sort of homogenity. |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously you can't have "multiculturalism" among things that aren't even subcultures, let alone cultures in their own right. |
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21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
but go explain to taleb why he should stop wearing the facial hair style he does. because why ? reasons ? he got reasons too. |
21:18 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google knockout game |
21:18 |
gribble |
Knockout game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockout_game>; Man Punches Pregnant Woman In Brutal 'Knockout Game' Attack ...: <http://news.yahoo.com/man-punches-pregnant-woman-brutal-knockout-game-attack-131622429.html>; Pregnant woman sucker-punched in unprovoked attack | New York ...: <http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/pregnant-woman-sucker- (1 more message) |
21:19 |
trinque |
hm, it's like in the place where culture might develop, they've placed a culture-shredder |
21:22 |
trinque |
I wonder whether anyone actually intended it. It seems too well designed, that you create this concept "multiculturalism" which by definition subsumes whatever particular ideas you might have as an individual. |
21:22 |
trinque |
but you see.. in order for us to hold hands multiculturally, there are going to have to be some rules... |
21:22 |
trinque |
where have I seen this kind of short circuiting before |
21:23 |
trinque |
like in portland you can come to work at a software company as a male with a skirt on and your nails done, no shoes on, so long as you shut the fuck up and work |
21:23 |
trinque |
not that I mind that at all, but it illustrates the "make any choice, so long as your domain of choosing is entirely irrelevant" |
21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the original concept is merely commentary, on lengthy extant tradition, and it stands on its own as a perfectly sensible term of art in its field. |
21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
except, all that stuff's in french. |
21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
that the usians can not read and regularly hang themselves in the fancy underwear they bought in paris is not the underwear's fault. |
21:25 |
trinque |
lol |
21:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133650 @ 0.00053734 = 71.8155 BTC [+] {2} |
21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
how exactly is arbitrary activity "culture" now... |
21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, painting your nails ? what culture is this ? |
21:26 |
trinque |
just a matter of words meaning whatever ya like |
21:26 |
trinque |
if there's a facebook group for it, it's a culture |
21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
no wonder the code doesn't work. |
21:26 |
trinque |
if there's a github, there's a community |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
the term for this is subculture |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
tho even that may be a stretch |
21:27 |
trinque |
gotta have that other thing of which to be "sub" |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
The United MultiSubCultural States of America |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
nb. |
21:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00051339 = 30.0333 BTC [-] {3} |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
reminds me of "romania multilateral dezvoltata" |
21:29 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, would you give any weight to studies that show multiculti undermines social trust? (i try to keep in mind these are studies done by gov dept) |
21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you measure "social trust" ? |
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21:29 |
cazalla |
muh feels of course |
21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well, here's the thing : the variable you are likely calling this is a direct inverse of graph connectivity. |
21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
which means it is being undermined by improved communication. |
21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
it stands to intuitive reason if you look at it : the more people can talk to more people, the less any individual talk can be trusted, yes ? |
21:31 |
cazalla |
my experience is that no-one talks to anyone |
21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
once software acquired the ability to be "updated online", atomic software versions became less trustworthy. |
21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
because instead of doing anything right, people just slap it together and "we'll do an update later" |
21:32 |
trinque |
cazalla: I greet neighbors or people on the street here and they look down |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
technology's your enemy there, not anything to do with society. |
21:32 |
trinque |
I still do it, because fuck them. |
21:32 |
trinque |
but that was a nice thing about Texan (sub)culture |
21:32 |
trinque |
you goddamn greet people when you walk by |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque all of them !? |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i walked by at least 1k people today. |
21:32 |
trinque |
well there are unspoken rules of it |
21:32 |
cazalla |
trinque, i talk to my neighbour over the back but i couldn't tell you who else lives in this street.. growing up it was rare not to know |
21:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63014 @ 0.00055212 = 34.7913 BTC [+] {2} |
21:33 |
trinque |
I knew and drank with everybody I lived in an apt building with in tx |
21:33 |
trinque |
dunno any of these nervous fucks |
21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
you were twenty then! |
21:33 |
trinque |
sure that might be a factor |
21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
older people eventually figure out everyone's an idiot anyway |
21:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23518 @ 0.00054815 = 12.8914 BTC [-] |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
unrelatedly, http://36.media.tumblr.com/717f39f2ffb3104818c25cf446c0798e/tumblr_n942laTGgk1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg |
21:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eY1dDx ) |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
^ first-class lathe work ! |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200053 << iirc the item in question used something like 'people leaving doors unlocked at night' |
21:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-07-2015 01:29:17; mircea_popescu: how do you measure "social trust" ? |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so max social trust = up on the mountain ? |
21:49 |
* |
asciilifeform when first heard that anyone, anywhere since ancient egypt where locks were supposedly invented, ever left their house unlocked other than by mistake, was floored |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i scarcely bothered. |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: iirc the talk was exclusively of reasonably populated places |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
for one thing, because dumbass russian locks, kept no one out. |
21:50 |
trinque |
meh, I leave windows open all night on the ground floor |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
fgor the other, because orly, you're gonna ROB ME ?!!? |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
even very cheap lock gives extra second or two to aim ? |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you ever read the story of the whores and the thieves ? |
21:51 |
trinque |
only crime around here is someone comes and steals your grill off the porch |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
ali baba ? |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
no , no, on trilema. |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
can't recall one |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://klmist.com/keysreport.html << unrelated lol |
21:53 |
assbot |
KLMist - Bitcoin blockchain keys report ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY24En ) |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2011/spargatorii-si-curva/ |
21:55 |
assbot |
Spargatorii si curva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY2bQ1 ) |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!rated phf |
21:55 |
assbot |
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21:55 |
asciilifeform |
in other 'news', microshit has bitcoin nodes on its campus |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate phf 2 Actually managed to compile Eulora on OS/X, which is a first. |
21:55 |
assbot |
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21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phf.2:6b5c1f07e27f7b7ae974773e4c050cfce50f47f405a2e9fdf2666a78059e721a |
21:56 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for phf from 1 to 2 with note: Actually managed to compile Eulora on OS/X, which is a first. |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes ^ |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
speaking of whom, |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
i advise all folk in usa with a spare twenty to get that box spoken of earlier |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
so it doesn't end up like pogo, with my desk having the only such for months |
22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,stats |
22:01 |
scoopbot_revived |
New Java Zero Day Discovered Targeting NATO http://qntra.net/2015/07/new-java-zero-day-discovered-targeting-nato/ |
22:01 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 365212 | Current Difficulty: 5.1076366303481926E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 366911 | Next Difficulty In: 1699 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.68703 |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
'The attack leverages a three-year-old vulnerability in Microsoft Windows Common Controls CVE-2012-015 which is addressed in MS12-027.' |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
Run Moar Winblowz, NATO !! |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/hacking-team-uses-uefi-bios-rootkit-to-keep-rcs-9-agent-in-target-systems << moar lulziez |
22:04 |
assbot |
Hacking Team Uses UEFI BIOS Rootkit to Keep RCS 9 Agent in Target Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY2SsH ) |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
ends with the obligatory [install nsa's ] 'Update the BIOS whenever there is a security patch' |
22:08 |
punkman |
ok turdatron must hate me, seems it even ate last email which I sent with "swaks" |
22:09 |
* |
punkman flaps hands |
22:09 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: Have you tried sending with 'mail' |
22:10 |
punkman |
BingoBoingo: does it do attachments? |
22:11 |
BingoBoingo |
I don't know? Only one way to find out |
22:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, on my system it doesn't seem to |
22:12 |
punkman |
swaks is a crazy perl script for smtp testing, it works. |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=45 |
22:14 |
assbot |
Big Head Press - Thoughtful Stories, Graphic Novels Online And In Print - The Probability Broach: The Graphic Novel, by L. Neil Smith and Scott Bieser ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY3I8R ) |
22:14 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: lol |
22:15 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200024 < the us had multiple cultures, they were not tolerated by the elites |
22:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-07-2015 01:15:43; mircea_popescu: obviously you can't have "multiculturalism" among things that aren't even subcultures, let alone cultures in their own right. |
22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it did ? |
22:16 |
decimation |
absolutely. I've mentioned the german community that used to exist, for instance |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
there were also urban irish |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
and a number of others |
22:17 |
decimation |
us cities around 1900 were full of ethnic ghettos |
22:17 |
decimation |
the black were imported to bust these up in order to prevent 'independent vote blocs' |
22:18 |
trinque |
doesn't seem like those transplants took |
22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
eh for chrissakes. you and your wife going on a cruise does not now constitute an "english culture" in oceania. |
22:18 |
trinque |
my family goes back to a big italian clan that moved over in I think the 30s or so |
22:18 |
trinque |
do you think I have any connections? |
22:18 |
trinque |
hell no I don't |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
everybody who wouldn't bow to massachusetts got bugsprayed. |
22:18 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1199899 < the majority of these blacks are actually 'spending' usg's money |
22:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-07-2015 00:33:04; mircea_popescu: servants getting uppity ffs. |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
pecunia non olet. |
22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
they have it, you want it, fuck you. |
22:19 |
decimation |
maryland, for instance, has a 'poor people health insurance' where they are required to pay $1, if they can afford it |
22:19 |
decimation |
most can't afford it |
22:19 |
trinque |
lol how do they means-test that? |
22:20 |
decimation |
they don't, it's purely optional |
22:20 |
trinque |
ask for a dollar, and then write down the "no" response? |
22:20 |
decimation |
(medicaid) |
22:20 |
decimation |
yeah I think that's how it works |
22:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61593 @ 0.0005364 = 33.0385 BTC [-] |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
and ftr i am naught impressed with this "got bugsprayed" bs. |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ei ce pazeau ? |
22:21 |
cazalla |
decimation, i read the other day this Fair Housing update will result in blacks being bussed in to the rich white liberal areas.. btw Obama looking old as fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lSLIhXrs1Y |
22:21 |
assbot |
Weekly Address: Making Our Communities Stronger Through Fair Housing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3XVwf ) |
22:22 |
trinque |
cazalla: heh I got bussed as a white kid to the shittier public school back in the day for the same reason |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
recall mr mold: 'my daughter's preschool is literally in a ruin - that is, a (nicely renovated) space which used to be part of a Catholic church. (The preschool is the former convent. The rest of the church remains a ruin proper.) Where are the people who used to pray in this church? They fled. Why? Because they were afraid for their physical safety.' |
22:23 |
decimation |
cazalla: Obama's a lame duck, the most he can do is hand out goodies so that democrats show up to vote next time |
22:23 |
cazalla |
taking the bus to school such a strange concept.. i use to ride my bmx doing bunny hops and all sorts along the way |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
'I know, I know. It's gauche to even bring this kind of stuff up. It's not part of our consensus reality. It's not part of our consensus history. When it comes to actual history, however,...' |
22:24 |
decimation |
cazalla: most us towns - even little cities - have a massive bus infrastructure just to take kids to and from school - and nobody else |
22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, nothing was ever built by the afraid. |
22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
what, is this the universal excuse now ? "why is he fucking dumb ?" "he is ~~~affraid for his own physical safety~~~ magic wordsd!!!" "oh ok then, all is well, carry on" |
22:24 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: which is why they left, and it is crumbling |
22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
good riddance. |
22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
by any practical measure they were an offense to the land they shaded. |
22:25 |
mod6 |
So over the weekend and today, was working on building a new gentoo-amd64-nomultilib (glibc) instance to test out application of patches with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as the base. Was able to build static binaries with gentoo & glibc just fine with both a modified auto-static (auto.sh) and with a slightly modified stator.sh script. |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
good work mod6 |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
modified how ? |
22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 they be actually static ? |
22:26 |
mod6 |
Upon successful compilation, both static builds were able to pull at least 150`000 blocks from mp's node. |
22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty cool |
22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform btw is your node stuck ? |
22:26 |
* |
asciilifeform had actual static, in 'stator', compare with the elf attached there |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: not at all |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
hasn't been stuck once since i moved the clock, afaik |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
tried to track it with a node, it resulted in a stuck node 0.O |
22:27 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: it appears to me that they are. I have two build logs (one for with auto.sh and one with stator.sh). They can be found: |
22:27 |
mod6 |
http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/gentoo-amd64-nomultilib-glibc-20150713-AutoStaticv006-buildlog.txt |
22:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eY5bMi ) |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: interesting! please say if you are able to replicate this |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
workin' on it. |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
(on clean box) |
22:27 |
mod6 |
http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/gentoo-amd64-nomultilib-glibc-20150713-statorBuildScript-buildlog.txt |
22:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eY5dDW ) |
22:27 |
cazalla |
decimation, they had a bus for the high school i attended and when i got sent to naughty boy school i was given a train ticket which provide free travel (which was self defeating in that i no longer had to jump the train but could now ride legit for free lol) |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
anybody else wedged ? |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
(other than mircea_popescu) |
22:28 |
mod6 |
(at the bottom of these sizeable files, you can see me run `ldd` and `readelf` against the output binaries) |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
me==365216 |
22:28 |
mod6 |
I have created a simple build script that will pull all of the patches, verify them, apply the patches at the top of the file. Along with anything else that was required. |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
nice |
22:29 |
decimation |
cazalla: at least you rode transport that others in the city could use |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
^ just to be clear re: above, my node is not, as far as i can tell, wedged! |
22:29 |
mod6 |
This is all leading up to a new "patching guide" that I'm working on. Which is basically finished, save the fact I've yet to decide which direction to go on the build script. On one hand, I really love how simple and clean stator.sh is, but with auto.sh, I like how it automatically pulls the archives for you and creates the directories. etc. |
22:30 |
decimation |
my node has taken almost 2 weeks to get to 264k |
22:30 |
mod6 |
Anyway, working on it. :] |
22:30 |
trinque |
mod6: pretty cool! |
22:30 |
mod6 |
decimation: plugged into mp's node? |
22:30 |
trinque |
hi ag3nt_zer0 |
22:30 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
hey trinque |
22:30 |
decimation |
is on' ascii's node I think |
22:30 |
mod6 |
ah |
22:33 |
mod6 |
<@asciilifeform> modified how ? << with stator, I needed to add back in 'no-shared', according to http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation this is required for us (probably). And I also needed to modify your line `cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;` to `cd bitcoin/src;`. All of the things are in the build log, I tried not to leave anything out. |
22:33 |
assbot |
Compilation and Installation - OpenSSLWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY67An ) |
22:34 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
several months back I was at the plug and play bitcoin meetup... Nathaniel Popper was there talking about his book... anyway, after the talk I was standing in line to ask him to clarify something when this familiar-looking chap gets in line behind me. asks me who what etc... |
22:34 |
mod6 |
Those were the only changes to stator that were required to make it fit with the release artifact. |
22:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74689 @ 0.00053922 = 40.2738 BTC [+] {2} |
22:35 |
mod6 |
thx trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et al. :] |
22:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198721 @ 0.00055277 = 109.847 BTC [+] {5} |
22:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182100 @ 0.000534 = 97.2414 BTC [-] {4} |
22:37 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
at the time I was all zigzagged about Trilema and so I asked him if he had heard of it... he scanned the files that the eye accesses when it looks down/right and there was a spark... he said "what's that?"... I said "dunno, run by this guy Mircea something or other"... he said "oh, that guy doesnt like me"... later he asked for my number and when he pulled out his phone I saw his name was Tim Swanson |
22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
22:38 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TF5RBP.txt ) |
22:38 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
trivial perhaps, and not to make fun of him, but I thought it was pretty funny... |
22:40 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 |
22:40 |
assbot |
ProxyHam anonymising router project mysteriously closed down - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY72kr ) |
22:41 |
decimation |
ag3nt_zer0: was already done, look in the logs |
22:45 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
decimation: thanks. guess I should make that a habit before posting here... |
22:45 |
trinque |
'tis the custom |
22:46 |
cazalla |
i think the tim swanson story more than makes up for it ag3nt_zer0 |
22:47 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
hehe |
22:47 |
assbot |
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22:48 |
assbot |
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22:52 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: rather peculiar that you had to add in 'no-shared' - witness that there are no shared deps in my executable (attached to 'stator' post on ml) |
22:56 |
mod6 |
well, actually, I didn't /have/ to at all. |
22:56 |
mod6 |
every time i've built the 'stator' before, the output binary was fine. |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: have you made any experiment to learn whether binary changes at all when this flag is set ? |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
might be interesting |
22:56 |
mod6 |
statically built. but I recall going through this in march how we needed that in there... just maybe overly paranoid. |
22:57 |
mod6 |
<@asciilifeform> might be interesting << i have not, as of yet. |
22:57 |
trinque |
didn't openssl itself have some derpy module-loader thing? |
22:57 |
mod6 |
would be easy for me to try now though. |
22:57 |
trinque |
perhaps the flag enables/disables that |
23:00 |
decimation |
yes, openssl had a dynamic library loader flag |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
what was it |
23:00 |
decimation |
sigh, search is down |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
no-dso iirc |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
<mod6> I have created a simple build script << you may consider signing some of the things you pull |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
^^^ |
23:01 |
assbot |
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23:01 |
asciilifeform |
pleez folks, sign |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
if you read, understood - sign. |
23:01 |
mod6 |
sign the patches before pulling? |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
can sign and say 'this is a bad idea', note |
23:01 |
mod6 |
this is for *Experimental* only. |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't imply endorsement |
23:02 |
decimation |
yeah no-dso http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation |
23:02 |
assbot |
Compilation and Installation - OpenSSLWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZBy91 ) |
23:02 |
mod6 |
I only stamp approval at release time. |
23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
ag3nt_zer0 i dun particularly care one way or the other. the discussion's in teh logs which atm can't be searched it seems. |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
a signature from a reasonably literate wot face, 'i read this and it made sense', is worth something. |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
to me, at least. |
23:03 |
decimation |
mthreat explained his hosting guy forgot to pay the bills |
23:03 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
yeah was just gonna say search not working |
23:03 |
mod6 |
There are some very far reaching effects of the patches applied in these build logs. They appear to "work", but as of yet, they're basically untested. |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 not strongarming you |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199502 << thread |
23:03 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-07-2015 18:43:01; ascii_field: http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 << other lulz of the day |
23:03 |
mod6 |
not taken that way :] |
23:04 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
asciilifeform: yes I found that... thx |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: thus far the longest-running test is the s.nsa node. |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
it features my entire shebang through 'stator'. |
23:04 |
mod6 |
that's good! |
23:05 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
was just looking up z86 heh |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
presently 47 connections, incl. a bunch of cn, interestingly |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
nb. |
23:05 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
z80 |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
usually hovers between 35-50 |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: pay it a visit, log in, see if spot anybody you know... |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, im working on an eulora release rightnao |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
neat |
23:08 |
mod6 |
ok building again without 'no-shared' for binary examination |
23:09 |
mod6 |
<@asciilifeform> doesn't imply endorsement << ok. i was just under the impression that's excatly what it meant. |
23:09 |
mod6 |
I emboss cryptographically, stating that I've read, comprehended, approved and would apply in my own battlestation. |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
normally folks say why they're signing something |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
when they sign it |
23:10 |
mod6 |
That's fair if it has a disclaimer. |
23:10 |
mod6 |
lol, guess I just didn't wanna clutter up the turdomatic or confuse anyone either. |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
compared to most similar boards, it is practically empty |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
(imho a 'feature, not bug') |
23:11 |
mod6 |
less is more, as always. if there's too much in there, it's less likely to be read. |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
has plenty of room for assorted strange. |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
without becoming crowded. |
23:12 |
mod6 |
I see, we just have a bit different view of the thing. I only wanna send stuff in that I can pretty much stand behind. |
23:12 |
mod6 |
One of the resasons that I haven't even posted the gentoo build guide to the list either. |
23:13 |
mod6 |
I've tested it, trinque has tested it, but we need a third party to independantly verify so I know what I'm publishing there is as correct as it can be. |
23:14 |
mod6 |
I'll give this some further thought going forward. I don't wanna hold off on pulling the trigger on this stuff if all I need is simple skull & cross bones. |
23:14 |
trinque |
I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
feel free to use a different graphic if the old 'jolly roger' has gotten boring |
23:15 |
trinque |
with some note |
23:15 |
trinque |
ascii-dickbutt |
23:15 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: noted. |
23:16 |
mod6 |
<+trinque> I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 << in that it would have been 1/2 of the foundation's official seal? |
23:16 |
mod6 |
i thought so too. and it's a credit to my trust of asciilifeform that I verify his signature, and we have a L1 trust between us. |
23:17 |
mod6 |
eh, that was poorly worded. I think you all understand my meaning. |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
trust & fuzzies is great, but i'd really like folks to start reading the patches |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
(mod6 does. ben_vulpes? who else) |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
trinque? |
23:17 |
trinque |
I mean that it indelibly marks the text in question with the involvement of the signers |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, after read, and think - sign. |
23:18 |
trinque |
I do read the mailing list, yes |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
'i read this, grasped it' |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
or even 'i read this and it made no fucking sense and wtf' |
23:18 |
trinque |
oh that reminds me |
23:18 |
trinque |
jurov: tls outbound smtp for the mailing list plz? |
23:19 |
trinque |
should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf |
23:19 |
trinque |
(if postfix) |
23:19 |
trinque |
for no better reason than I've required it on my end and it cut spam by 100x |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: why was this needed ? |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
23:19 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: point taken. glad we talked about it. and yeah, very much so read and examine every patch. |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: it's also how you get the next 'hearbleed' on your box |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
*heart |
23:19 |
trinque |
yeah that is true |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
this atmosphere where 'gotta have ssl or else' is an engineered product |
23:20 |
trinque |
sure, I wasn't saying that |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
i advocate - resistance. |
23:20 |
trinque |
the box was getting ass-blasted with spam |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
there are other ways to filter spam, no ? |
23:20 |
assbot |
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23:20 |
trinque |
sure, was running spamassassin and whatnot |
23:20 |
trinque |
your point about heartbleed is well taken |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
i also have a habit, of compulsively re-reading own patches |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
to see if made a mistake. |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
i recommend this habit. |
23:22 |
mod6 |
it does help. i often have to come back to it like a day later and re-read my own stuff for the 9th time. |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
a mistake that is owned up to, before it sinks any ships - can perhaps be accepted as a mistake, and forgiven |
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23:22 |
asciilifeform |
not sure about other kinds |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
as the war heats up. |
23:22 |
mod6 |
also more eyes help too. sometimes we all miss stuff. |
23:23 |
assbot |
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23:25 |
trinque |
I'm off; gnite gents |
23:25 |
mod6 |
night trinque |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
later |
23:26 |
mod6 |
I'll make an effort this week to sign the patches I've read and understand, even if still experimental at this time. |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
i recall that last we spoke of this, folks signed and noticed that jurov's patch sig widget didn't eat them correctly |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
and stopped |
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23:27 |
mod6 |
and I'll find a new ascii art instead of the jolly roger ;) |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
possibly i misremember. |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
check, when search comes back |
23:28 |
mod6 |
ah, yeah... hm. I believe when I went to sign all the patches from the last release, I had to pull the patches, and then sign them as if I had wrote them myself for them to be accepted. |
23:28 |
mod6 |
They needed to basically have the same SHA1s as the originals, with my own detatched sig. |
23:30 |
mod6 |
Anyway, yah, will take a look when search comes back. |
23:30 |
mod6 |
Someday, we're gonna get the kinks worked out of this system. |
23:30 |
assbot |
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23:32 |
mod6 |
ok this build is just about done... |
23:35 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
good night |
23:35 |
mod6 |
ni |
23:35 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
whoops that was for trinque... hadn' scrolled |
23:36 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: http://glyf.org/screenshots/eulora3.png! |
23:36 |
assbot |
404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1CB8eW2 ) |
23:37 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: ok, compile complete. |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://janestreet.github.io << unrelated l0lpharm, for connoisseurs of 'functional' prog. styles |
23:39 |
assbot |
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23:39 |
mod6 |
welp, they do hvae differenet hashes. that at least is obv. |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: hexdump -C, then diff |
23:41 |
mod6 |
ok, i was just gonna do a quick `xxd <file> | less` and look at 'em side by side. |
23:45 |
mod6 |
ok looking through the hexdump -C diff now.... |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: also worth comparing objdump output |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
probably oughta begin there, vs the hex |
23:48 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
23:48 |
mod6 |
yeah, i thought about that first actually. but gotta recompile since bins are striped |
23:48 |
mod6 |
*stripped |
23:52 |
mod6 |
i'll tackle that tomorrow i think. |
23:53 |
mod6 |
night all! |
23:59 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
Gute Nacht! |