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00:01 mircea_popescu lol and when's the click-ad thing expire ?
00:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00037373 = 5.3443 BTC [-]
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01:06 mircea_popescu ooo
01:16 scoopbot_revived Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Hits An All Time High http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-hits-an-all-time-high/
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01:18 mircea_popescu next year huh.
01:19 cazalla yeah nothing really, couple of sleeps
01:19 mircea_popescu lol
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07:30 kakobrekla https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/610043122295418880
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09:10 mats www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/europe/us-poised-to-put-heavy-weaponry-in-east-europe.html
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09:52 mats http://yurichev.com/blog/modulo/
09:52 assbot Dennis Yurichev: 13-Jun-2015: Modular arithmetic + division by multiplication + reversible LCG (PRNG) + cracking LCG with Z3. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ84vm )
09:55 asciilifeform mats: good intro to subj. recall, perhaps in childhood, drawing 'random' pixels to screen, with atrocious prng ? could see pattern with naked eye.
09:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163764 << lol, do we get a newspiece every time this happens? 'you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older, ..., and now you're older still!' (tm) (r)
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09:57 assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 05:16:21; scoopbot_revived: Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Hits An All Time High http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-hits-an-all-time-high/
09:59 kakobrekla lol alf
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11:42 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu who was that fella a while back who wanted to set up a btc-denominated market for reverse-engineered/leaked specs? (think, easily verifiable...!) and did it go anywhere ?
11:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33788 @ 0.00040546 = 13.6997 BTC [+] {4}
11:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean the trivia bot ?
12:00 asciilifeform wai wat
12:00 asciilifeform trivia bot ?
12:00 asciilifeform !s trivia bot
12:00 assbot 1 results for 'trivia bot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trivia+bot
12:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163698
12:00 assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 01:46:51; HeySteve: yes, I was thinking trivia contests - maybe for BTC - would be fun
12:02 asciilifeform not related except in a hopelessly vague sense
12:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00040662 = 1.3012 BTC [+]
12:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23446 @ 0.00038952 = 9.1327 BTC [-]
12:07 mircea_popescu or so you'd like to think.
12:07 asciilifeform i'd -like- to think there is a connection. just not sure what it is, quite yet.
12:07 jurov reverse-engineered/leaked specs ==== trivia?
12:08 mircea_popescu the connection i see is that the proposition of this market is about as silly as the proposition of the trivia bot. there are fundamental differences between what a market is and what an assassination market is.
12:09 asciilifeform it is trickier than first appears, because 'i want the s00p3r-s33kr1t floor plan for $fpga' is turing-complete (that is, whether the trade was an honest one is not resolvable by machine)
12:09 mircea_popescu contrary to public idiocy, bitcoin's not particularly adequate to the latter. then again, public idiocy thought trains go too fast so it'll make passengers asphixiate out of lack of oxigen and cars explode.
12:09 asciilifeform and so more or less what mircea_popescu said
12:10 mircea_popescu but the market you propose, like the market which consists of assassins, like the market which consists of whores, is eminently NOT a market like the market that consists of grain, or ddram chips.
12:10 asciilifeform and yes, it'd be a kind of 'assassination' and therefore doesn't work in a public wot, and therefore - at all...
12:10 mircea_popescu they have a lot of common characteristics, yes, and the people "in" like to joke about it and pretend it's "the same". but... it is not.
12:10 mircea_popescu it works privately. there ~are~ dudes who get girlies to throw their soaking wet panties at them
12:10 mircea_popescu just, not you, and not for the being.
12:11 asciilifeform aha, can't buy $magic.
12:11 mircea_popescu some can.
12:11 mircea_popescu but that some is important and it falsifies a ~fundamental~ property of markets.
12:11 asciilifeform arguable that they didn't buy it, but only magic-amplifier
12:11 mircea_popescu exactly.
12:11 asciilifeform already had magic.
12:13 asciilifeform the reason i asked is not that i was whacked with a club over the head and turned into a tard overnight, but that instead i was thinking of certain very limited special cases of jurov's suggested '0day prize box'
12:13 mircea_popescu mayhap.
12:13 asciilifeform where, e.g., 'get btc if you can get this chip, connected to the net, to execute undocumented instruction'
12:13 mircea_popescu it is obviously new territory all this
12:13 mircea_popescu well you might have noticed i AM making experiments in that province.
12:14 asciilifeform somewhere in eulora ?
12:14 mircea_popescu no lol, somewhere on trilema
12:14 * asciilifeform must have missed this ?
12:14 mircea_popescu eh it's all over teh place :)
12:15 asciilifeform link?
12:15 asciilifeform i was speaking specifically of an automated system (riding on wot, naturally, for the 'why should i potentially waste valuable $secret' bit)
12:16 mircea_popescu ah, i wasn't. an' i'm not about to link the theory wqith the practice formally yet.
12:16 asciilifeform i.e., if some bozo announces the box, no one plays, but if mircea_popescu does - possible
12:16 mircea_popescu the 100% automation is too expensive
12:16 asciilifeform really? i'da thought human power is too expensive
12:16 mircea_popescu the 80% automation is what we do now anyway, for instance when using pgp
12:16 asciilifeform and this could make the deal
12:17 mircea_popescu think of computers at tractors.
12:17 mircea_popescu which is precisely what they be.
12:17 asciilifeform aha
12:17 mircea_popescu 80% of a meal made by tractor - cheap
12:17 mircea_popescu 100% of a meal made by tractor ?
12:17 asciilifeform not proposing anything complex, really. something on the order of a bear trap
12:18 mircea_popescu will the computer test if the thing it is testing has met the test or merely circumvented the test ?
12:18 mircea_popescu because this computer may well save academia.
12:18 asciilifeform defined here specifically for the 'circumvented ~= passed' scenarios
12:18 asciilifeform limited in number, but valuable
12:18 asciilifeform 'if you can supply a bitstring that makes mechanism x do y, get coin c'
12:18 mircea_popescu i may be too slow for how fast this conversation has become, so gimme an example
12:19 mircea_popescu in that example a) why would anyone accept to be paid less than the "cost to fuzz", and b) why would anyone opt to pay more thanb the "cost to fuzz" ?
12:20 asciilifeform say i have a chip, from a certain vendor, for which no public documentation is known. it nominally allows firmware to be written, but not read back (most microcontroller vendors feature this.) i connect it to a programmable i/o board, and say 'supply the signals that cause it to spit out fw.'
12:20 asciilifeform a monkey working at $vendor fires string, gets coin. for virtually no effort of his own.
12:20 asciilifeform this answers 'a'
12:20 mircea_popescu you are trying to take the personal relationship out of sex.
12:21 mircea_popescu laudable, perhaps, but certainly unworkable.
12:21 asciilifeform (monkey possesses the secret, will let go of it if he can do it at little personal risk and adequate reward)
12:21 mircea_popescu see how that's a metaphor for womanhood ?
12:21 asciilifeform no?
12:21 mircea_popescu ...
12:22 asciilifeform woman is terrible metaphor here - there's ancient (pre-mammalian, even) 'egg defense' firmware at work
12:22 mircea_popescu what you said is a metaphor for womanhood, not the other way around.
12:22 asciilifeform whereas u.s. corporate monkeys ~will~ sell their login for a chocolate bar (empirically proven)
12:22 mircea_popescu a) monkey b) possesses the key c) will let go IF - c1. not painful c2. food and shelter.
12:23 mircea_popescu and yes, chocolate bar. to the right bloke.
12:24 asciilifeform very often, the secret in question is in possession of folks who presently have ~no~ way to monetize it - i am speaking specifically of amateurs who pwned, by way of idle exploration, the target - but are not in a 'k00l d00dz wot' where they can safely sell the result to anyone
12:24 mircea_popescu how we'd evaluate the "very often" ?
12:24 asciilifeform only one way.
12:24 asciilifeform empirically
12:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00037675 = 18.9505 BTC [-] {5}
12:24 mircea_popescu it'd seem very superficially that if this is true the other name for it is "polichinelle's secret"
12:25 asciilifeform mno.
12:25 asciilifeform the concept of 'if random d00d pwned $victim, so has everyone' is only approximately true.
12:25 asciilifeform because the incentive to actually sift through the raw data isn't presently there.
12:25 mircea_popescu is there any particular reason the amateur that's not in a kool dude wot now will manage to get in the kool dude wot of the proposed market ?
12:26 asciilifeform if the human element is maximally removed.
12:26 mircea_popescu if that reason can be descreibed, is that reason anything but psychogenic ?
12:26 mircea_popescu aham.
12:26 asciilifeform bring magic key, get candy.
12:26 mircea_popescu i am inclined to believe the solution to this problem is psychanalisis not software development.
12:27 mircea_popescu then again... the past 50 years would look a lot different if i were actually right.
12:27 asciilifeform the question of 'how do i know this candy dispenser contains candy and won't simply eat my key' is to be resolved using popescutronium (substance which powers atomic dirigible)
12:27 asciilifeform hypothetically
12:28 mircea_popescu how are you going to resolve dispute between party a which claims it ate its key and party b which claims the key was junk ?
12:28 mircea_popescu specifically modeled for our convenience out of al schwartz.
12:28 mircea_popescu so, he put in his key, and the result came out negatory. what now.
12:28 asciilifeform it is a mistake to ask for a universal resolution to such a dispute, like asking for 'absolute velocity' in physics
12:28 mircea_popescu the mistake is not to ask for it, the mistake is to contemplate a system that requires the question answered.
12:29 asciilifeform i'm not certain that it does require it
12:29 kakobrekla you need to call in ethereum
12:29 asciilifeform l0l
12:29 mircea_popescu why would magical dragon risk his magic to get involved in a system that may well tarnish it for no reason ?
12:29 asciilifeform on account of the impeccable reputation of the wizard who built it ?
12:30 mircea_popescu it just became unimpeccable.
12:30 mircea_popescu and the past few years have taught me a whole lot about the value and complexity of maintaining impeccability.
12:30 mircea_popescu not an easy task for angels to actually walk the earth.
12:30 asciilifeform must be so impeccable that it does not visibly diminish from a single dissatisfied dragon - any more than planet earth visibly loses gravitational pull from a rocket launched to outer space
12:31 mircea_popescu that's ok, the rule is 0 1 infinity.
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12:31 mircea_popescu your system goes to infinity.
12:31 mircea_popescu anyway, by "magical dragon" i meant what you seem to mean by "wizard" just ftr.
12:31 asciilifeform i must point out that i have sat on both sides of this (entirely absent) bench. both in search of secrets, ~and~ sitting on a small stash of 0days that will be buried with me
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12:32 mircea_popescu why would THE WIZARD get involved in this, when there's an unbound negative result on the table.
12:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the only way he might consider it is if it were a ~bounded~ negative
12:32 asciilifeform i.e. the secrets are sufficiently cheap (not of cosmic significance)
12:32 mircea_popescu but when i tried that you said "it is a mistake to ask"
12:32 asciilifeform sorta like most folks are happy to use 'coke' machines
12:33 asciilifeform even though occasionally it eats the coin
12:33 mircea_popescu mno.
12:33 mircea_popescu the machine has a horrible reputation, and only survives in its abjection
12:33 asciilifeform by all rights the machines ought to have disappeared by now
12:33 mircea_popescu the usg did NOT survive eating the coin merely a few times.
12:34 asciilifeform i wondered, often, if most 'coke' drinkers simply amortized the lost coins, mentally
12:34 mircea_popescu don't come to me with a model that requires turning wizards into coke machines. there's no power to do so and the effort would be overall -ev anwyay
12:35 asciilifeform again, the proposition is that there exists 'small change wizardry' which would find a place in a coke machine.
12:35 mircea_popescu imo most coke drinkers do about the coins and machines what they do about their hopes and wives
12:35 asciilifeform l0lwat
12:35 mircea_popescu the only reason there's no coke machine murder-suicides is the low value of the item.
12:35 mircea_popescu (same holds true for the recent downturn in actual marriages ended that way too)
12:36 asciilifeform now that i think about it...
12:36 asciilifeform coke machine 'murder-suicide' used to be sop! in usa
12:36 asciilifeform until they started chaining the things to the wall
12:40 mircea_popescu hehe
12:40 mircea_popescu a quarter's not what it used to be.
12:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally most u.s. 'soda' machines have card slots now.
12:40 asciilifeform (on account of multi-$ prices)
12:41 mircea_popescu they a) no longer steal quarters and b) steal data.
12:41 asciilifeform aha
12:41 mircea_popescu everyone's happy : the plebs for a, the corp because b), as quarters weren't evenworth stealing
12:42 asciilifeform one day some schmuck will build (for usg bid) a coke machine which dispenses the goop in exchange for a photo and dna sample
12:42 asciilifeform and idiots will flock to it
12:42 mircea_popescu why not ?
12:42 asciilifeform aha.
12:42 mircea_popescu think about it - that's for many of them the ONLY chance they get to reproduce their dna.
12:42 mircea_popescu you are aware, yes ? point of life for the genotype driven is reproducing the damned things
12:43 asciilifeform machine will index for usg db, not for implantation, lol
12:44 mircea_popescu orly ?
12:44 mircea_popescu i dun think it cares.
12:44 asciilifeform they only store a few thou. of sequence
12:44 mircea_popescu that's the only thing keepiong the floodgates shut.
12:46 asciilifeform i've wondered what kept various floodgates of shit, hypothesized in fiction of the past, shut. e.g., 'rent-free' flats with walls covered in stomach-churning blinking advertisements 24/7, pensions in return for forehead tatoos of 'coca cola', etc.
12:46 asciilifeform and similar horrors
12:46 mircea_popescu iirc tattoo advertising is a thing
12:47 asciilifeform never caught on en masse, afaik
12:47 asciilifeform could have something to do with the cargo-cult, 'stotting' aspect of advertising per se
12:47 asciilifeform gazelle does not need to stot 3km high, on rocket power
12:47 trinque http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/man-face-tattoos-companies-pay-removal-article-1.1294437 <<
12:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8ANwi )
12:48 * mircea_popescu has seen plenty of "property of X" crotch-and-other-places
12:48 mircea_popescu does it cunt ?
12:49 mircea_popescu +o
12:49 trinque lol
12:49 asciilifeform not unless 'x' is 'coca cola', 'bank of america', etc
12:49 mircea_popescu actually the only tattoo i ever saw that i thought was cool,
12:49 mircea_popescu this chick has on her pubis that original persian message, in greek.
12:50 mircea_popescu you know, the one gorgo "decyphered" ?
12:51 asciilifeform l0l!!
12:51 asciilifeform as seen in herodot ?
12:51 mircea_popescu iirc it was widely reported in teh ancient world.
12:52 asciilifeform incidentally, did 'e-ink' ever make an appearance in tattoo shops ?
12:53 mircea_popescu no idea.
12:53 mircea_popescu trinque the lol part is, how often the tattood were in fact free agents or otherwise involved.
12:55 mats https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19210935/why-does-the-c-preprocessor-interpret-the-word-linux-as-the-constant-1
12:55 assbot Why does the C preprocessor interpret the word "linux" as the constant "1"? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8BIgh )
12:56 trinque face tattoes aren't really any worse than stretching out your earlobes
12:56 trinque people will imitate anything
12:56 trinque s/face/crotch/
12:56 mircea_popescu the earlobe idiocy is really popular here in the hipster crowd
12:56 trinque here as well
12:56 mircea_popescu i suspect worthless argentines tryin to act brazilian tough
12:58 mircea_popescu anyway, i see a point to actually signifying tattoos, those queen of spades ankle stuff, or the russian cat or whatever.
12:58 jurov yes, i have read about e-ink tattoo. but all such things fall into uncanny valley together with google glass
12:58 jurov question is, how much longer
13:00 trinque it will be a very long time before I implant electronics in my body, if ever
13:00 trinque they're going to have to pull off "laptop" first
13:01 jurov i am wearing electronics on my ears all day, so i've got a tollerance. but saw nothing appealing so far
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13:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40553 @ 0.00037069 = 15.0326 BTC [-] {2}
13:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163786 << well, why should only isis get some ?
13:26 assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 13:10:56; mats: www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/europe/us-poised-to-put-heavy-weaponry-in-east-europe.html
13:26 mircea_popescu maybe the russians would want
13:28 trinque "Russia/China poised to put heavy weaponry in Mexico and Canada."
13:29 mircea_popescu mexico would make sense
13:29 mircea_popescu i am kind of curious why neither are going for the "peace keeping" thing
13:29 mircea_popescu state's in just as bad a shape as syria/ukraina/etc ever were.
13:29 trinque yeah
13:29 mircea_popescu perhaps because they're not retarded enough to be the us.
13:30 mircea_popescu one should really stop and think for a moment if he notices that the opposing players eschew "opportunities" he himself wouldn't.
13:30 trinque good point
13:31 trinque and I wonder how long the other players will put up with our paranoid, incoherent moves against them
13:31 mircea_popescu moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition
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13:31 mircea_popescu and the numerous coallitions of defeated european monarchs trying to save monarchies from napoleon
13:31 mircea_popescu i think it's liable to go the same place - state's exactly as dead today as monarchy was in 1803
13:32 mircea_popescu yes, some symbolic "states", about as related to historical states as the queen of england's to historical britsh monarchs will survive
13:32 mircea_popescu in pockets of "nordic system" ness
13:32 mircea_popescu but otherwise. .. the state is gone.
13:33 mircea_popescu if anyone can explain the difference between "for king and country" of the blips of the 1800s and "for democracy1`11`11" of the redditards of today...
13:34 mircea_popescu the similarities are overpowering. both groups are grossly acultural, clinging to ridiculously simplified worldviews and models of thought, and pretending to a legitimacy and importance that is both absent in the field and justified ideally and historically only.
13:37 trinque in the reddit version perhaps it's much harder to see precisely who's giving the orders
13:37 trinque pao? surely not
13:37 mircea_popescu the same problem existed with the blips.
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13:38 mircea_popescu (the word has a particular slang meaning in english, a certain sort of beer drinking, saber rattling british citizen.)
13:40 scoopbot_revived Slutennis http://trilema.com/2015/slutennis/
13:40 trinque I think I found one https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHUMlfeUMAAekLc.jpg:large
13:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbUBMk )
13:41 mircea_popescu haha too vulgar.
13:42 mircea_popescu https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/57/bd/0d57bd3b61e45343644281ed7d1cca3f.jpg << this
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13:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbUIaO )
13:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00038654 = 4.3679 BTC [+] {2}
13:42 mircea_popescu Terry Gilliam is obsessed with them
13:43 trinque ah ok, that must've been his great great grandson
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14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18308 @ 0.0003771 = 6.9039 BTC [-]
14:11 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/pE2zQPQ
14:11 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbWybz )
14:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:11 ben_vulpes thanks for the advice all
14:11 ben_vulpes and yes asciilifeform it is "rusted solid" on the inside.
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14:32 kakobrekla thats a good thing?
14:42 jurov rusted solid === genuine vintage
14:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037548 = 12.0717 BTC [-] {2}
14:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53300 @ 0.00039088 = 20.8339 BTC [+] {2}
14:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what is that
14:59 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1164006 << ~blimps~
14:59 assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 17:37:25; mircea_popescu: the same problem existed with the blips.
15:00 asciilifeform http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Colonel_Blimp_cartoon.png << as seen here.
15:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUzt9J )
15:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00037028 = 7.3315 BTC [-]
15:12 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: corvette
15:12 * ben_vulpes off for a bit of motoring with pets
15:13 asciilifeform i thought it was a block of rust ?
15:14 * asciilifeform pictures ben_vulpes doing http://funnyrussians.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/povozka_1.jpg.crop_display.jpg
15:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUBaE7 )
15:18 jurov !mpif
15:18 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021444 B (Total: 426.05 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
15:18 jurov !t m f.mpif
15:18 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (15000 shares, 3.11 BTC)
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15:54 mod6 haha. that horse drawn car is awesome.
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16:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00036863 = 10.2479 BTC [-] {2}
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16:45 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: almost exactly! except it's pulled by my giant dog instead of any sort of horse
16:46 jurov no yoked human females?
16:48 mod6 haha
16:48 jurov http://oglaf.com/hereafter/ guess oglaf saw us discussing death this week
16:48 assbot hereafter ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmhClk )
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6230 @ 0.00037355 = 2.3272 BTC [+]
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17:10 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski startup spacing issue corrected. Distinct hazard of staing into the idiocy is contact transmission of derp.
17:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:18 BingoBoingo Fake words are also the hardest to spell
17:29 scoopbot_revived Spy http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/14/spy/
17:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform right you are
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17:55 ben_vulpes /usr/include/features.h:374:25: fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory << novel and exciting failures in compiling openssl
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18:14 mircea_popescu cdefs.h doesn't sound like it would be needed anyway :D
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18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19385 @ 0.00036749 = 7.1238 BTC [-] {2}
19:06 ben_vulpes one would think, and yet openssl won't compile without cdefs.h apparently
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19:35 ben_vulpes anyways for future logreaders and software archaeologists:
19:35 ben_vulpes fix for missing cdefs.h on ubuntu 14.04 was "g++-multilib"
19:35 ben_vulpes now if anyone can tell me what the ever loving hell that actua.
19:42 funkenstein_ ben_vulpes, it's sudo apt-get turtles-dev all the way down
19:47 ben_vulpes unacceptabru!
19:50 punkman http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/4-4/8MgA8Zancj-10.png
19:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFlP2L )
19:51 punkman !up gares_
19:54 funkenstein_ punkman, friend of yours?
19:54 funkenstein_ the turtle i mean
19:55 punkman I like turtles
19:59 funkenstein_ you know poo-tsee?
20:08 funkenstein_ !up yhwh_
20:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73950 @ 0.00037707 = 27.8843 BTC [+] {4}
20:11 mircea_popescu aaannnnd in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mabpbcSKvW1rem3mwo1_500.gif
20:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFmT6K )
20:24 * jurov can't sleep, ended up reading shit like https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bitcoin-religion-filip-martinka-
20:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFnwwZ )
20:24 ben_vulpes https://www.lockpicksaustralia.com.au/lock-picking/legality/
20:24 assbot Legality | Lock Picks Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFnxB6 )
20:25 jurov "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."
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20:25 jurov TANTRIC. ben_vulpes see?
20:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00038555 = 16.6365 BTC [+]
20:26 ben_vulpes see what?
20:26 ben_vulpes and source?
20:26 jurov the last link i posted
20:27 jurov and see what? that finding the right cdecls.h spot is in fact tantric exercise :)
20:28 jurov "At this point we can consider... Scientology is a tax-exempt religion. Why not Bitcoin?" ahahaha never made the connection before
20:31 ben_vulpes wow that's quite a wall of text
20:32 jurov "...consider that Bitcoin has died 71 times, and therefore is continuously reborn in the psychic reality of the public."
20:32 jurov dunno why I find it so funny
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20:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00037124 = 18.4692 BTC [-]
20:35 jurov maybe I should invite dude here to "inner cult" :D
20:36 ben_vulpes i have a spare robe for him
20:36 ben_vulpes it's a little stained tho
20:49 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/a/FhZRf
20:49 assbot Brand-New Trinitron (circa 2000) - Unboxed in 2015. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFoDwJ )
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20:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35334 @ 0.00037124 = 13.1174 BTC [-]
20:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58950 @ 0.00037956 = 22.3751 BTC [+]
21:02 ben_vulpes http://thatoregonlife.com/2015/06/oregon-man-gets-sentenced-to-3-years-in-jail-for-pumping-his-own-gas/
21:02 assbot Oregon man gets sentenced to 3 years in jail for pumping his own gas ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFpspl )
21:03 asciilifeform 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man – but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'
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21:04 asciilifeform hilarious gag
21:05 asciilifeform now if only it happened.
21:10 BingoBoingo Fupa Duped https://i.imgur.com/s4OD455.jpg
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21:10 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFpWMi )
21:16 BingoBoingo !up RUchamp
21:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00039426 = 20.0678 BTC [+] {4}
21:23 mats https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
21:23 assbot Wat — Destroy All Software Talks ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFqYrt )
21:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19791 @ 0.00040032 = 7.9227 BTC [+]
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3111 @ 0.00040387 = 1.2564 BTC [+]
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21:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00040387 = 32.1884 BTC [+]
21:42 BingoBoingo !Up gares_
21:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 74 @ 0.0139 = 1.0286 BTC [-] {2}
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6230 @ 0.00040387 = 2.5161 BTC [+]
21:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129686 @ 0.00040905 = 53.0481 BTC [+] {6}
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22:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00042619 = 32.0708 BTC [+]
22:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101841 @ 0.00039785 = 40.5174 BTC [-] {3}
22:15 BingoBoingo !t m s.mpoe
22:15 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036741 / 0.00038996 / 0.00042619 (1520935 shares, 593.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033981 / 0.00036473 / 0.00042619 (16484205 shares, 6,012.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00031819 / 0.00042619 (115683800 shares, 36,810.55 BTC)
22:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6435 @ 0.00038725 = 2.492 BTC [-]
22:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62369 @ 0.00038725 = 24.1524 BTC [-]
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22:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13031 @ 0.0003987 = 5.1955 BTC [+]
22:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44693 @ 0.00039827 = 17.7999 BTC [-]
22:47 decimation http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557568/I-love-girl--Im-control-boasts-fallen-child-genius.html < smart folks are maybe also not always wise?
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22:48 assbot 'I love being a call girl - I'm in control,' boasts fallen child genius | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1HHZ4at )
22:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99050 @ 0.00039386 = 39.0118 BTC [-]
22:52 mats nothing wrong with being a call girl
23:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118350 @ 0.00039241 = 46.4417 BTC [-] {2}
23:11 decimation not every call girl can do calculus, she needs to be given a better purpose
23:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27549 @ 0.00039827 = 10.9719 BTC [+]
23:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2615 @ 0.00041581 = 1.0873 BTC [+]
23:17 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1164012 < those are very fancy hats
23:17 assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/57/bd/0d57bd3b61e45343644281ed7d1cca3f.jpg << this
23:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00041165 = 32.4586 BTC [-] {2}
23:24 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state?
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23:24 assbot Logged on 14-06-2015 17:31:18; mircea_popescu: moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition
23:24 decimation if there were an obvious alternative it probably would have happened already?
23:28 trinque a WoT of a hundred million people, maybe
23:30 decimation I guess. when your house is on fire are you gonna look through your rolodex?
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00041432 = 6.1527 BTC [+]
23:31 trinque there are a number of ways to come at that particular problem
23:32 decimation sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure
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23:35 trinque couldn't we apply the same argument to plowing the roads, or other similar work?
23:35 trinque in the absence of a central authority dictating that there shall be a fire dept, I wouldn't expect that the need to put out fires would vanish along with it
23:37 funkenstein_ where do you live that the state runs the fire dept?
23:37 decimation not a literal us state here, state = government
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23:37 trinque ^
23:38 funkenstein_ well any business has its governing structure
23:39 funkenstein_ fire departments usually don't need to be able to counterfeit money
23:40 funkenstein_ non sequitur, sorry
23:42 funkenstein_ what is the alternative to slavery?
23:42 decimation but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep
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23:43 funkenstein_ what do you mean someone has to claim the land?
23:44 decimation if the land is unclaimed, how do you build a house?
23:44 funkenstein_ with materials
23:44 trinque owning something is having control over it
23:44 decimation heh
23:44 trinque it's not an abstract granted by an authority
23:45 decimation trinque: yes, and the implication quickly becomes "I sit in my mud hut with my ak and you sit in yours"
23:45 decimation if you need an army to do anything that is
23:45 trinque we should define what we mean by state
23:45 funkenstein_ indeed
23:45 trinque probably means something a bit more than "owns this dirt"
23:47 funkenstein_ there is the question of "who's your roof"
23:47 trinque this monstrous, bureaucratic "modern state" which infiltrates every aspect of life is to whom I refer
23:49 trinque decimation: or in other words... if only the fire dept was the most of our worries
23:49 trinque I'd be happy to see it go if the rest were also in the bathwater
23:49 decimation trinque: no doubt, I can imagine lots of other structures, but I just don't see how groups of people who need to do business together can get away from some kind of central coordinating mechanism for certain tasks
23:50 trinque neither can I
23:50 decimation note that this doesn't imply 'modern state' is the only possibly solution
23:50 trinque perhaps something eventually emerges which is the aggregate of contracts within the WoT
23:50 decimation but it seems to me that nearly all qualifying solutions meet some definition of 'state'
23:50 trinque and in fact, built upon consent, it would have far greater legitimacy
23:51 funkenstein_ malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not
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23:52 trinque malcolm x was a reactionary with no proposal
23:52 trinque cept what, islam?
23:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113100 @ 0.00038688 = 43.7561 BTC [-] {2}
23:53 funkenstein_ his proposal was that the bullet was more powerful than the ballot
23:53 trinque thought of that all by himself, did he?
23:54 funkenstein_ that wasn't his claim
23:54 trinque anyhow. it's true that anywhere humans gather and interact structures will emerge
23:54 funkenstein_ true indeed. people talk about "the government" as if that meant something specific.. so many out there
23:56 trinque decimation: one important distinction may be that whereas the modern state seeks to make humans fungible, to normalize them according to some standard
23:56 trinque the WoT allows for *varying* standards of interaction based on the relationships involved
23:57 decimation sure, but that's a distinction between 'a state' and 'the modern structure' (as moldbug would put it)
23:57 trinque I don't disagree
23:58 decimation I would probably setting for a 'modern state' that did its best to cultivate the quality of its human potential, rather than treating it like an infinite resource
23:58 decimation s/setting/settle/
23:59 funkenstein_ i find it easier to talk about tax regimes
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