#trilema | 2015-06-08

Logged on 08-06-2015 03:14:44; mircea_popescu: and worked it like the old style porn scams, just keep billing all your ccs

00:25

(most u.s. folk aren't 'good' for much else scam-wise)

00:26

notably, afaik in all states that have government lotteries, folks trying to quit gambling habit can ask themselves to be place on permanent list of folks who will never be allowed to claim winnings. but one cannot, apparently, do this for the mortgage racker.

00:26

racket

00:27

lol

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i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'

↖ ↖

00:27

even if gpg signed ?

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aha

00:27

deedbot- <

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that just means fucker killed me and took my key.

00:28

The Pawnbroker http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/

00:34

asciilifeform: usia is not a land of 'exit'

00:34

protestant idiocy, this.

00:34

for most of us, just one exit - up the chimney.

00:34

"you can never be expelled - ever!11"

00:34

just like in that other usa.

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tyvm, but maybe i wanna be expelled sometime.

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aaaand in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma356gYq4S1qibgrlo1_1280.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1KjF3Yt )

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in other news,

00:40

learned that you can still buy newly-minted cdp1802!

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http://www.intersil.com/en/products/space-and-harsh-environment/harsh-environment/microprocessors-and-peripherals/CDP1802A.html?pn=CDP1802A

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CDP1802A ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAzN27 )

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(bring heavy bag of usd)

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they actually fly with them ?!

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since 1976.

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can get it on sapphire, too.

00:43

had some very interesting features found, afaik, in no other cpu

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like defaulting to 'key instructions in by hand without glue logic for keypad' mode

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http://oldcomputers.net/rca-cosmac-vip.html << see also.

00:49

RCA COSMAC VIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAAus8 )

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01:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84800 @ 0.00034962 = 29.6478 BTC [+] {2}

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02:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035127 = 10.1517 BTC [+]

02:49

aha

02:49

found an ubuntu partition on my ancient mac

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doesn't support tap-to-click

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more open source hurray

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and the update manager nags me about 14.04 every time i run apt-get

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woo

03:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00035127 = 4.2855 BTC [+]

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03:46

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mormon-soaking.jpg

03:46

... ( http://bit.ly/1cFToks )

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04:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00035127 = 8.8344 BTC [+]

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04:27

catholics have better system. we can do anything as long as we confess with genuine remorse afterwards.

04:30

it's not so hard to feel such after, say, reading trilema

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!b 3

04:40

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2M07W8Z.txt )

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;;ticker

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Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.48, Best ask: 225.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 225.48, 24 hour volume: 20916.25266725, 24 hour low: 222.29, 24 hour high: 225.99, 24 hour vwap: None

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05:53

fucking australia lol.. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/08/victoria-proposes-laws-to-force-potential-terrorists-into-deradicalisation-programs

05:53

Victoria proposes forcing suspected radicalised teenagers into programs | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhoyBi )

05:55

another state, Queensland, has something similar whereby bikies are not permitted to associate with other bikies even if no crime has previously or is planned to be committed

06:04

That sounds more Canadian than Australian ...

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00035052 = 22.889 BTC [-]

06:21

https://i.imgur.com/HqiVVtj.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1QhsLow )

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aeroplane tatt.. i think that's a first for me

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00035127 = 4.4611 BTC [+]

06:38

Because she's gonna wreck you like 9/11

06:46

cazalla: i'd totally request a clearance

06:47

kamikaze!

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"Requesting clearance to land in runway charlie uniform mike november!!1"

06:51

"correction, charlie uniform november tango"

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derp

06:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00035127 = 9.537 BTC [+]

06:56

lol

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07:22

davout, you're still trying osx eulora?

07:22

ben_vulpes failed miserably

07:23

jurov: no, i have a proper box nao

07:31

http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay updated !!!

07:31

Gameplay - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1FKSeeT )

07:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00035127 = 18.7578 BTC [+]

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08:31

"Bitcoin lords" : http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/390i3d/block_size_conservatives_build_your_alternatives/crzbt2y

08:31

DakotaChiliBeans comments on Block Size Conservatives - Build Your Alternatives, Then We Won't Have To Lift Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxQA7s )

08:35

;;bc,stats

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08:45

;;bc,stats

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08:46

!up justanotheruser

08:48

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23

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if my code is correct, that is

08:49

justanotheruser

neat

08:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63417 @ 0.00034622 = 21.9562 BTC [-] {2}

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09:14

jurov: phathub ?

09:14

github :D

09:15

now doing second batch, there is a dude with ALL keys broken

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O.o

09:16

second batch results 795857 keys, 4 bad, 46 phucked total.

09:17

interesting that 641 nor 6700417 appeared, only smaller primes

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*not appeared

09:21

only interim results, it's still slurping the keys. ofc there will be writeup

09:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218714 @ 0.00034603 = 75.6816 BTC [-] {2}

09:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40517 @ 0.0003457 = 14.0067 BTC [-] {2}

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09:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181300 @ 0.00034567 = 62.67 BTC [-] {2}

09:57

;;bc,stats

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10:22

https://khayav.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/enhanced-buzz-15688-1361029818-0.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1HiAnRP )

10:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00034561 = 11.4397 BTC [-]

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10:39

good mornin' assets!

10:42

hello mircea

10:42

is eulora nothing but a wall of claims yet ?

10:43

yes

10:44

bots are already considered

10:44

great.

10:44

ima put up a job later for irc/freenode integration in chat, just fyi.

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mod6

morning mircea_popescu

10:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00035127 = 9.4843 BTC [+]

10:51

awww and i thought it was surely going to break 40

10:53

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157088 << ftr, worth a try. can be fun.

10:53

Logged on 08-06-2015 07:46:23; punkman: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mormon-soaking.jpg

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157092 << bwahahaha ah shit! MY COVER! BLOWN!

10:54

Logged on 08-06-2015 08:30:28; jurov: it's not so hard to feel such after, say, reading trilema

10:56

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157097 << i can see this. make him live with half a dozen highschool dropouts and fuck them at least five times a day (each). a few weeks later... what radical omfg.

10:56

Logged on 08-06-2015 09:53:07; cazalla: fucking australia lol.. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/08/victoria-proposes-laws-to-force-potential-terrorists-into-deradicalisation-programs

10:56

gives employment to the otherwise useless schoolage aussies too.

10:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157102 << you're starting to get it!

10:57

Logged on 08-06-2015 10:21:33; shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/HqiVVtj.jpg

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157110 < ahahaha okkk

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Logged on 08-06-2015 10:51:10; davout: "correction, charlie uniform november tango"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157120 << yeah dude totally. buncha hitchhikers move into your house then they're all "dudes, just build your ALTERNATIVE HOUSE then we won't have to you knwo, go sleep in jail tonight"

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Logged on 08-06-2015 12:31:07; wyrdmantis: "Bitcoin lords" : http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/390i3d/block_size_conservatives_build_your_alternatives/crzbt2y

11:00

right. i can totally see this "argument".

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157127 << o.O

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Logged on 08-06-2015 12:48:13; jurov: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157138 << you basically running a phuctor-for-rsa on your own ? give it a site!

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Logged on 08-06-2015 13:21:12; jurov: only interim results, it's still slurping the keys. ofc there will be writeup

11:20

shinohai shit son, that's her DAUGHTER is it ?!

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win.

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Mother/daughter is the ultimate win if somehow you work yourself into that scenario.

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shinohai: right

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davout knows.

11:22

more the "amplified nagging" side than the sexual one tbh

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mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD

11:23

davout obv.

11:23

jurov a ok. well phuctor propers like what, 1/5 done or so. will add your lot then for sure.

11:25

!up ascii_field

11:27

speaking of which, kinda interesting from an anthropological perspective that on one hand fucking your nubile daughter aside her mother in a steaming session is a closely held taboo, but generally speaking fucking OTHER PEOPLE's adolescent daughters is a closely held ideal.

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basically if you have a gated community of people who all have 19 yo daughters, everybody has to sleep at the neighbour's!

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157181 << it doesn't need much

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Logged on 08-06-2015 15:23:01; jurov: mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD

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how's teh fields this fine morning alf ?

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plough rusted, cleaning.

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well, at least be thankful you're not one thousand chickens.

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one of approximately 6

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(oxen)

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hey, that used to be the golden standard historically!

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jurov: in no case is trial division more efficient than gcd(n, product-of-a-bunch-of-primes)

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he can get results of the form "which moduli divisible by 19" using less memory.

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mircea_popescu: nearly same amount

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well no because he doesn't have to keep the product

11:38

trying all first 10k primes on all keys still went in short time and got no bigger factors than 100 anyway

11:38

his report that there are no keys divisible by M kinda blew my mind

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jurov: which keys were these again ?

11:38

he scrapped github

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ssh pubkeys from github

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Ah

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neat

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think about it alf. no M. how could this be.

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*

ascii_field looks in log, does not find this

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157136

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Logged on 08-06-2015 13:17:23; jurov: interesting that 641 nor 6700417 appeared, only smaller primes

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m is a composite of those two

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moment. i have stopped trying at first found divisor

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ah that m

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l0l

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which m didja think ?!

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so it's possible they are still there

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i doubt that we'll see the same 'mirroring' trick re: ssh keys, as it is a creature of the old-fashioned 32-bit fingerprint in pre-civilized pgptron

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(at least, as an attack it makes sense there)

11:41

a number of explanations are readily available : a) M works on specific code that happened to be wrung out of openssh codebase somehow. differential reading of gpg and openssh should indicate it then, and patch history should show us who knows better.

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b) M is really the product of breakage, that didn't occur there. or of trollage, that idem.

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mircea_popescu, jurov: worth looking to see what, if anything, the small-factored ssh keys have in common

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jurov oh i see. how hard would it be to try for 641 specifically ? then if found try 6700417

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i'm retrying for alll these primes

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already got key id 11201072: factor [2, 17, 43, 47, 373, 443]

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for example

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aha.

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jurov: i suggest hex dump of all of the small-factored moduli

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well he said he was gonna do a write-up

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you are very likely to notice patterns

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yes, i should have all keys fetched in day or two

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(it's running since june 2)

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they have api limit 6000/hour

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in related news,

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http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/165282C95B75F85D6F34183B1B81B1BD242418AF1DFA83A0C71918B30A0511A6 and http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733

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Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dXUF7V )

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Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dXUF83 )

11:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00035273 = 8.9241 BTC [+] {2}

12:05

!up ascii_field

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http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mem_revH2.html << historical interest

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... ( http://bit.ly/1G7ctXf )

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http://www.visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=RCA_1802E << moar re: same.

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RCA 1802E - VisualChips ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuWW6V )

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http://home.earthlink.net/~schultdw/1802/datapath << yet moar.

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12:59

damn i miscalculated, github has 12m users, not 1.2m

13:00

this will go on for much longer time

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13:15

jurov, maybe ask that guy I linked for a bunch of them?

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he was scraping for a year or something

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bunch ot what?

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*of

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github keys

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yes but he wrote there were bad keys, whoich github removed on june 1st

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better have the dataset without them

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what would help, if you generate an api key and give it to me

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so that i can scrape in parallel

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it needs not to have any special permissions, just public access (as selected on the key screen by default)

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so uncheck all the boxes?

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lemme see

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i see a box called "read:public_key"

13:25

try unchecking everything. my works even without "read: public key"

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oh it says "scopes limit access"

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so you should check everything except "read:public_key"

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http://danielpbarron.com/jurov.asc.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1B1hLo5 )

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danielpbarron: thanks, it works

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[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 312 @ 0.00497048 = 1.5508 BTC [-]

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https://github.com/0xAX/linux-insides

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0xAX/linux-insides · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYbXw )

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http://v0ids3curity.blogspot.com/2015/06/rebuilding-elf-from-coredump.html

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v0id s3curity: Rebuilding ELF from Coredump ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYkud )

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hanbot make him one would you.

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http://blog.lacklustre.net/posts/BLE_Fun_With_Ubertooth:_Sniffing_Bluetooth_Smart_and_Cracking_Its_Crypto

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BLE Fun With Ubertooth: Sniffing Bluetooth Smart and Cracking Its Crypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYjX6 )

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http://reveng.sourceforge.net

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... ( http://bit.ly/1B1iNRe )

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https://soundcloud.com/givemepowers/beat-of-my-drum

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POWERS - Beat Of My Drum by POWERS | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1j46K )

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33041218

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G7 summit: 125 extra UK military trainers to be sent to Iraq - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1j6eG )

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this along with FIFA corruption is apparently top items on the G7 agenda!!!

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http://malwaretech.net/MTSBK.pdf 'A Firmware Assisted Bootkit'

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... ( http://bit.ly/1B1jREu )

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https://www.sstic.org/media/SSTIC2015/SSTIC-actes/hardware_re_for_software_reversers/SSTIC2015-Article-hardware_re_for_software_reversers-czarny_rigo.pdf 'analysis of an encrypted hard drive'

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... ( http://bit.ly/1B1jYjz )

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was kinda expecting .gr to switch over to the drachma this weekend

13:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00035287 = 14.75 BTC [+]

13:55

today in mat's security world :D

14:01

san diego was nice

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pacific beach has black and gold sand o_O

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-06/08/c_134307754.htm lol

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Facts speak for China's human rights progress - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1dr0U3r )

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xinhua being the state news agency

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http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5l5q1pqL51qbk26xo1_500.jpg << facts speak for dark corridors.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1dr1aPY )

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chained to a dungeon wall, still bothers to suck in her belly for the shot

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haha

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i don't see this news item on the cn side

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loled

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meanwhile in the united states of human rights, http://daddyslittleprincessgoddess.tumblr.com/post/35469654103/justsexypics-every-seven-seconds-law

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... ( http://bit.ly/1dr1iPb )

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woah, that tumblr got myspaced

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!up ascii_field

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14:38

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00496646 = 3.7248 BTC [-] {5}

14:42

Eulora client Freenode patch http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-client-freenode-patch/

14:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62900 @ 0.00035299 = 22.2031 BTC [+] {2}

14:51

Bondage theme? mkay: http://www.restrainedelegance.com/preview/arielsnookertableslavegirl11.jpg

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15:06

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 356 @ 0.00496483 = 1.7675 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 394 @ 0.00495292 = 1.9515 BTC [-] {4}

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hanbot

jurov: http://thewhet.net/han/forjurov.asc.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1eYEMOQ )

15:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34641 @ 0.00035879 = 12.4288 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27859 @ 0.00036164 = 10.0749 BTC [+] {2}

15:13

hanbot thanks!

15:18

!up ascii_field

15:18

wtf expiring session bullshit

15:19

anyway, http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/1802.txt

15:19

... ( http://bit.ly/1eYFSKy )

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fun fact: x86 is little endian because it ultimately descends from an architecture that did arithmetic serially, one bit at a time, and handling carries was considered cleaner that way.

15:36

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 287 @ 0.00494518 = 1.4193 BTC [-] {5}

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16:17

!up Jef91

16:18

Thanks danielpbarron

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so if you're interested in that .deb thing, you'll want to talk to mircea_popescu and jurov

16:19

Building a simple deb package isn't difficult

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ok, i hear you

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Jef91, do you have a gpg key by any chance?

16:25

danielpbarron, I do not.

16:32

for the clarity of log readers, the .deb thing is regarding eulora, and Jef91 works with bodhi linux

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he offered to list eulora as a "featured item" in their games section, provided it has a .deb installer

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he's fine with ~400M bag that plops itself into /opt?

16:36

and i'm currently set up on ubuntu 14

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jurov, yea thats fine. That is basically what our libreoffice installers do

16:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00034674 = 13.4882 BTC [-]

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ok. and do you know that new eulora accounts require one to come here, register with gpg and get a rating?

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17:05

hello Jef91

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!up Petit_Dejeuner

17:13

fun fact: OS X has a Lisp interpreter in the kernel.

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mats: wat

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trinque: Does not conform to R7RS.

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what's its purpose?

17:19

i've no idea. good question.

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will query the man responsible for this fun fact (it is not me).

17:30

The future of human-machine interfaces. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/08/the-future-of-human-machine-interfaces/

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http://www.coindesk.com/my-life-inside-a-remote-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ Wu Gang Style mining

17:38

My Life Inside a Remote Chinese Bitcoin Mine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXz6vv )

17:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00034985 = 22.0406 BTC [+] {2}

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18:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40121 @ 0.00036309 = 14.5675 BTC [+] {3}

18:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62469 @ 0.00036766 = 22.9674 BTC [+]

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18:44

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143355112811564&w=2

18:44

'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEqDBQ )

18:50

"I hope your next mail goes straight to Linus Torvalds. He is also encouraging people to use the hardware they accidentally bought in exactly the same way!! The nerve of him."

18:50

^ God bless Theo

18:51

"You are quite a persistant idiot. Find replacement of a firmware that a vendor wrote for their specific undocumented chip; which runs on the custom processor and hardware on the athn USB device? That runs on the rsu hardware, which is probably some kind of crappy vendor-modified ARM or MIPS or 8085 derived cpu attached to a blob of Verilog logic they designed in their own lab?"

18:51

love the way he handles people

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^ Theo doing work

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accidentally bought? meh

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And Theo isn't even the only quality shitlord on that thread: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143357719215507&w=2

18:53

'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1cHkkjQ )

18:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25781 @ 0.00036436 = 9.3936 BTC [-] {2}

18:55

Evening ASSets report: https://i.imgur.com/Z0j6L9G.jpg

18:55

... ( http://bit.ly/1cHkoQH )

18:56

BingoBoingo: kek

18:56

the redditard has come to expect free software (TM) !!

18:56

hilarious for anyone to be lecturing openbsd on the subj

18:57

https://01.org/zh/linuxgraphics/intel-linux-graphics-firmwares no more open source intel graphics

19:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35191 @ 0.00034561 = 12.1624 BTC [-]

19:11

heh.

~ 41 minutes ~

19:53

RIP usable graphics cards.

19:57

asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance

19:59

http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos < a defense of templeos

19:59

codersnotes / A Constructive Look At TempleOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ6knm )

20:07

decimation: schizophrenic goes it alone, creates a system far lispier than this gentoo mess I live in

20:07

something sad about that

20:08

well, the idea of executing everything in 'ring 0' is appealing to me

20:09

Every piece of code in TempleOS (except the initial kernel/compiler) is JIT compiled on demand. Yes that’s right – you can run a program without compiling it, simply by using an #include statement from the command line. << I believe this is one of asciilifeform's desirable system features

20:09

the concept of partitioning security zones on a 'c machine' is an excercise in sophistry

20:10

"TempleOS is a motorbike. If you lean over too far, you’ll fall off. Don’t do that." << this guy's awesome.

20:13

Ministry of Games: Eulora Enters Public Beta http://qntra.net/2015/06/ministry-of-games-eulora-enters-public-beta/

20:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60134 @ 0.00035592 = 21.4029 BTC [+] {2}

20:14

http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/02/alex_payne_one_of_twitters_fir.html < this alex payne guy was part of those who joined the anti-yarvin campaign

20:14

Alex Payne, who helped build Twitter, returns to Portland as tech mentor and vegan restaurateur | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ7oaH )

20:14

"While much of Silicon Valley grew enamored of the digital currency Bitcoin as a libertarian alternative to central banks, Payne began consulting with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new federal agency created at the urging of liberal lion Elizabeth Warren."

20:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171150 @ 0.00036788 = 62.9627 BTC [+] {2}

20:32

"helped build twitter" whassat.

20:32

like http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-35.0-35.72

20:32

The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCF2w )

20:33

and wtf is a "liberal lion" and wtf, warren's roughly speaking a shop clerk. what lion./

20:33

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md71g7nlTq1rq6vz1o1_500.gif << liberal kittens.

20:33

... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCMem )

20:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00036819 = 6.4801 BTC [+] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

20:50

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150608/civic-center/jail-doctors-made-man-impotent-by-failing-treat-6-day-erection-lawuit

20:50

Jail Doctors Made Man Impotent by Failing to Treat 6-Day Erection: Lawsuit - Civic Center - DNAinfo.com New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYGPMP )

~ 29 minutes ~

21:19

god this payne guy is exactly what's wrong with portland

21:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115319 @ 0.00035027 = 40.3928 BTC [-] {3}

21:22

fucking communist that took his stumbling into wealth as a sign that being a communist is right (what.. the fuck?), that businesses which something something social good are going to succeed, that the financial considerations are not essential to business but evil!

21:23

at least if he had the spine to be a proper communist I'd have a shred more respect

21:24

lies

21:24

this place breeds contempt

21:25

mats: actually I produce my own home-grown, free range contempt

21:25

lol

21:25

carry on

21:26

well trinque... it worked when random ho was telling all the lazy schoolage hos about how the path to oprah richdom is not in school.

21:26

why should the same not work on bois ?

21:27

gangsta rap fo' da whitey!

21:29

bleh... BLEH!

21:30

*

trinque was raised by stern white men who said "do useful work, improve yourself, don't be a fucking fool"

21:30

seems that all evaporated in the US

21:33

whadday'all use for desktop environments, if any? i've inserted ubuntu into this mac and now need to make it usable

21:33

ben_vulpes: for who? yourself?

21:33

myeah

21:33

should i skip the desktop environment?

21:33

ben_vulpes: XFCE is prolly the best stating out option

21:33

could always copy your stump over

21:33

Or just use a bare windows manager

21:33

yeah xfce's lightweight, the various *box (openbox, fluxbox) ones are also very lightweight

21:34

myeah i plan to run stump

21:34

is teh desktop environment even strictly speaking necessary?

21:34

not really

21:34

my setup is xdm and stumpwm

21:35

BingoBoingo: xdm will read a file called .xsession in your home dir to launch whatever you want

21:35

rather execute, not read

21:35

bash script in there with: exec /your/wm/binary

21:36

trinque: Yeah, that's pretty much the standard for setting up anything.

21:41

!up tsoulus

21:41

!up Pierre_Rochard

21:41

Pierre_Rochard: How goes the shoulder

21:42

it’s out of the sling, starting physical therapy tomorrow

21:42

btw giving my two weeks notice to bitpay tomorrow

21:43

I’m going back to wall street

21:43

scoop!

21:43

wow rly

21:43

haha

21:43

what'd you do in WS?

21:43

s/in/on

21:43

accountant for new securitization issuances

21:44

this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases

21:45

Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/

21:46

Pierre_Rochard: sounds like a vast improvement :p

21:46

*

trinque shudders to think of some of the worst abuses of excel spreadsheets he's seen

21:47

trinque: agreed, great role to hone my python skills in

21:51

Pierre_Rochard: get intimate with the sql

21:51

trinque likes to bang on about how it was designed as an end-user-programming environment for accountants

21:51

word

21:53

all the questions any account will ever want to ask are able to be expressed as SQL

21:53

worth considering how close you may be able to get the accountant to writing the queries themselves

21:54

*

trinque put a great deal of effort into that problem, only to conclude that one should learn to write the damn query directly

21:54

agreed, though I do lean on sqlalchemy a lot, I can write raw sql

21:54

I’d like to just go straight to pl/pgsql at some point

21:55

staying too cozy in python, you'll probably end up reinventing things the db can do better

21:55

consider for example the difference between using a python ORM and raw SQL for an aggregate over some column

21:55

most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate

21:56

http://www.trashbagbondage.com/ >> Welcome to Trash Bag Bondage >> We now accept bitcoin

21:57

<Pierre_Rochard> this will be a different role though, Ill be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases <<< the virgin goddess weeps.

21:58

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157366 << highest performance card where the open driver actually worked (of those still produced)

21:58

Logged on 08-06-2015 23:57:30; decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance

21:59

trinque: I made that mistake with the first version of pacioli with datetime logic, I’ve pushed all of that logic onto postgres now

22:00

Pierre_Rochard: that said I am under the suspicion that this kind of programming can also be done with CLOS in common lisp

22:00

though I'm not sure yet what that looks like

22:00

asciilifeform: ?

22:00

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/523245.html

22:00

... ( http://bit.ly/1AYL0s8 )

22:01

>Russian Dies After Eating [Parts of] Tablet Computer to Avoid Police Detention

22:01

not that kind of tablet

22:01

lol

22:01

they didn't beat him or nottin

22:02

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/girl-electrocuted-by-tablet-in-bathtub/504561.html << related !

22:02

Girl Electrocuted by Tablet in Bathtub | News | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYLa2H )

22:02

*

asciilifeform misread initially as 'girl electrocuted by toilet in bathtub'

22:02

I guess franz, inc has some sort of database over CLOS objects

22:03

trinque: or the open src 'elephant'

22:03

which turns any clos class into a working db

22:03

asciilifeform: very cool

22:03

ty

22:03

it is very finicky but once it works - it works.

22:04

every program I've ever been paid to write was just a glorified db editor

22:04

still looking for the perfect set of tools for that

22:04

trinque: consider new job ?

22:04

pays just fine, why would I/

22:05

at least change gas mask filter frequently.

22:05

I'm under the delusion that I can make suffciently general tools the jobs don't take that long

22:05

lol

22:06

i'm going to beg a copy of trinque's tools and go murder parts of the economy he's not

22:06

right, that's the fun part

22:07

i'll work on dirty bits too

22:07

*

asciilifeform spent virtually whole day moving logic analyzer probes around.

22:07

at least you weren't programming?

22:07

LA still takes programmingm

22:07

no, but i'm waiting for mircea_popescu to wake up and tell me how to do that from across an ocean

22:07

l0l there he is.

22:08

>D

22:08

im too busy fucking digging up boulders for crying out loud

22:09

l0lders

22:09

this is all i ever dreamed of - a mmorpg where i know the owner so all the stupid shit can be shot in the head

22:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 333843 @ 0.00034431 = 114.9455 BTC [-] {4}

22:10

little did mircea_popescu know that it is not enough to shoot stupid shit in the head, it has to be scattered with trotyl and buries in five separate graves, or will re-assemble

22:10

i don't mind.

22:11

*

mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether anyone ever manages to reverse the magic i put into this thing

22:11

reverse in the sense of building it again somewhere else ?

22:12

reverse in the sense of descvribing the black box.

22:12

or in the sense of godelizing it to go to some unintended place

22:12

ah

22:12

it is after all the one problem of the clockwork puzzle. how to make one ?

22:13

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github

22:13

... ( http://bit.ly/1AYMank )

22:13

is it a collection of tubes ?

22:14

"e-note" ?

22:14

wtf is wrong with these people.

22:15

in other news, there's 3x as many people reading trilema off a sony playstation than nintendo wii

22:15

the news lady in the background looks baffled

22:15

i had nfi you could do that.

22:16

wii's got opera on it, dunno bout ps

22:16

so how do you type ?

22:16

on screen keyboard plus joystick

22:17

oh

22:17

on the wii you use a mickey mouse finger and your self respect

22:17

I guess the ps browser might be opera too

22:18

Mr Warren BuffettMon, 4:48 am 4.5 KiB$5 MILLION USD DONATION FROM MR WARREN BUFFETT

22:19

"I like to re-assure you of the legitimacy of this services as we will not be involved in any fraudulent act and will never be. use the money wisely, we only want to feel good by helping people this time of the year, this is the only thing that makes my wife happy too even now that she is not here with me anymore, we have too much to give away as I only have few months left on earth."

22:20

apparently one doesn't need to master english to catch the run-on sentences disease.

22:22

well shit I can't argue with pleasing his dead wife

22:22

where do I wire the funds?

22:23

send em to bill gates.

22:24

fun fact : search for barren muffett -> Quizás quisiste decir: warren buffett

22:25

oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"

22:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124850 @ 0.00034191 = 42.6875 BTC [-] {2}

22:28

I'm sure for humanitarian reasons.

22:28

speaking of trios, she actually left the guy to be a cabaret dancer in the 70s,

22:28

then provided a replacement (astrid)

22:28

the three sorta lived together

22:29

did he inspire you to do the same

22:30

mno

22:30

:P

22:30

*

mircea_popescu only heard of buffett relatively recently.

22:40

asciilifeform: who killed matrox?

22:41

although all the matrox boards I have used recently were shit

22:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7740 @ 0.00034833 = 2.6961 BTC [+]

22:49

I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse

22:53

wait wait

22:53

how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil

22:54

well hell, the currency's not worth anything anymore, maybe they are

22:54

decimation: matrox killed itself

22:55

decimation: by turning full-bore winblows-only

22:55

it was once the gold standard of graphics-for-linux

22:55

yeah I remember

22:55

*

asciilifeform owned a succession of matrox boards, until this.

22:55

amusingly even modern x86 servers still come with matrox cards

22:55

but they are shit

22:55

*

asciilifeform has not encountered or so much as smelled a matrox board for many years

22:56

asciilifeform: they come on both dell & hp rack servers

22:56

as 'standard console'

22:57

*

asciilifeform never seen anything but intel graphics in those

22:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157534 << fuse does exactly nothing in such a case. you were thinking of a 'ground-fault-interrupter'

22:57

Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse

22:57

(gadget standard in newer bathrooms which senses whether current-in == current-out, and kills circuit if not)

22:57

well, depends on the exact nature of the shock

22:58

was it 5v? or 240v mains?

22:58

btw even these do not always help in the case of 'toaster in bathtub'

22:58

almost certainly mains

22:58

5v doesn't do much in water

22:58

most shit chinese transformers I've come across are direct shorts to neutral

22:58

5v ground short to neutral

22:59

"Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle

22:59

but yes, a gfi would have helped too. are they not standard in ru?

23:02

decimation: take a guess.

23:03

(they are 'standard' in usa too, but i only touched one with own hands when moved into current house)

23:03

heh yeah

23:03

building codes are a dumbass idea

23:04

americans often piss their pants (or nearly) when travelling abroad to 'orc' world, when they discover what -no- building code looks like

23:04

not because building to standards is dumb, but because it inevitably turns into a racket

23:04

e.g., light switches at whatever height builder felt like placing them

23:04

heh yeah 'concrete box' is sop

23:04

(i have heard of literal pant-pissing when subject could not find light switch in toilet)

23:05

asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?

23:05

orcs can access wikipedia too

23:05

decimation: on a typical day, do you feel like moving a light switch ?

23:05

one that works perfectly

23:05

heh good point

23:05

or are there 1,001 other things to do.

23:07

decimation: not like 'humans' will fix their broken-by-design surroundings. visit a few folks in usa and see how many drilled out the idiot 'water saver' thing from their shower head.

23:07

my guess: none

23:08

ditto the toilet

23:08

(more complicated problem, but most can be transformed into something like a pre-1992 model)

23:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148732 @ 0.00034091 = 50.7042 BTC [-] {3}

23:08

I tend to be amazed by guys my age that don't own *any* tools

23:08

trinque: wai wat

23:09

at the amazement or the lack of tools

23:09

asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit

23:09

for non-u.s. folks: picture a toilet that won't flush -anything solid- in less than 3-4 shots

23:09

(if lucky)

23:10

but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?

23:10

decimation: in the worst cases, yes

23:10

but more typically, it is 'set in software'

23:10

that is, by the position of the siphon

23:10

yeah, makes sense

23:11

yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit

23:12

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157500 << gotta love the idiots. as if 'git' had no existence outside of 'github'

23:12

Logged on 09-06-2015 02:13:36; danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github

23:13

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157521 << how many did she shoot with own rifle ?

23:13

Logged on 09-06-2015 02:25:31; mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"

23:13

women aren't held to.

23:13

fine. how many she ordered shot ?

23:14

*

mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't know.

23:14

heh so warren has a harem?

23:14

but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...

23:14

mkay.

23:14

decimation the 70s were 45 years ago.

23:15

anwyay, off i go. laters all!

23:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00034017 = 16.8554 BTC [-]

23:17

population control was pretty fashionable amoung 70's liberals

23:18

;;later tell mircea_popescu would you happen to know the name (part #?) of the yugoslavian clone of the cdp1802 ? or (if existed) ro version ?

23:18

The operation succeeded.

23:19

asciilifeform: your history of x86 link was interesting

23:21

decimation: gotta love how the -single worst- cpu of the '80s is still with us.

23:21

(one of the best, z80, is -also- still with us. in current production, by the millions.)

23:21

heh yeah

23:21

you can even get pin-compatible with the classical dip-40 package.

23:21

~5 usd.

23:22

asciilifeform: how much does that space qualified ancient cpu cost?

23:23

decimation: depends where

23:23

decimation: old-new stock on 'ebay' - 2-3 usd.

23:23

brand-new from 'intersil' - somewhere south of 200

23:23

(but will they ship to a plebe? satan only knows)

23:24

heh, maybe if you a plebe in the us

23:24

if you want it, straight to ebay

23:24

where there are sealed tubes still for sale

23:24

enough to last your whole life

23:24

and to equip an entire space fleet

23:25

decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 << example circuit for it. (cdp1802)

23:25

Loper OS » MicroWriter Redux. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnhfBi )

23:25

it's the fat bugger in the middle

23:25

(dip-40)

23:26

asciilifeform: related: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/2015/20150530-lightsail-phones-home.html

23:26

Contact! LightSail Phones Home after 8-Day Silence | The Planetary Society ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnhi0e )

23:26

heh the cy enfield keyboard

23:26

apparently the 'new cool kids' couldn't be bothered to write decent software or use rad hard cpu

23:27

decimation: endfield didn't pick it because rad-hard, but because was cheap and had very interesting (read: efficient) instruction set

23:27

yeah I'm sure he didn't use space qualified

23:27

it beat the shit out of its contemporaries (z80, 6502) for instruction-compactness

23:28

the basic model was actually 'spacey'

23:28

(later it sold as si-on-sapphire for added 'spaciness')

23:28

if I were launching a satellite I would sure as hell rather have time-proven parts

23:28

thing had huge transistors, and only around 5,000 of them

23:29

at least for the command/control peices

23:29

write in forth if assembly is too much

23:29

for many years i have searched for a period example of 'voting circuit'

23:29

which 1802 etc. was surely used in

23:30

but never found this

23:30

'tandem cpus'?

23:30

aha

23:30

at one point i toyed with the idea of building a 'wallet' with one.

23:30

long ago.

23:32

yeah that's what you would want

23:32

'a sapper errs once' (tm)

23:33

maybe intel will get around to releasing a cpu that uses cores for error checking rather than extra derpage

23:34

intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.

23:34

asciilifeform: did you see that nxp bought freescale

23:34

aha

23:35

*

asciilifeform was not moved to emotion by this

23:35

soon all we will have is intelroloa

23:35

usg dept. of chips

23:35

the grand finale will be the intel-arm merger

23:35

(arm is de-facto microshit to intel as present-day ibm)

23:36

it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov

23:37

e.g., ussr had, in fact, a great many independent (in the administrative -and- engineering sense) manufacturers of various things

23:37

nominally under the boot of 'gosplan' but factually own animals

23:38

whereas there is not, nor can there be, an independent maker of, e.g., cpu, in the nato blok

23:38