| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
and it's BANANAS TOWN that it's popping up here |
| 00:02 |
ascii_modem |
here's a perverse idea |
| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
dynamically link all the things? |
| 00:02 |
ascii_modem |
openwatcom/linux. |
| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
eeeeh |
| 00:03 |
ascii_modem |
it exists. beloved classic compiler used by almost all msdos games outfits in '90s |
| 00:03 |
ascii_modem |
opensourced about a decade ago |
| 00:03 |
ascii_modem |
mostly frozen in time. |
| 00:04 |
ascii_modem |
betcha it staticlinks... |
| 00:04 |
nubbins` |
/home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' |
| 00:05 |
nubbins` |
well. some context: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy |
| 00:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1yMNX8q ) |
| 00:05 |
ascii_modem |
and before mircea_popescu asks - no i dont have rigorous proof of equivalence of watcom to gcc |
| 00:06 |
ascii_modem |
Or! of his gcc to mine to yours to ... rms's ! |
| 00:06 |
nubbins` |
rmscc |
| 00:07 |
ascii_modem |
eventually we -will- find that the whole tower was mortarred together with old snot. |
| 00:07 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg10985645#msg10985645 |
| 00:07 |
assbot |
[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfAO03 ) |
| 00:08 |
nubbins` |
"He did post it. Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit), but ALL of the videos on his youtube were reported and removed for copyright infringement, including the ones showing detail work because there was music playing on the radio in the background. In short he already went out of his way to prove his innocence to a bunch of stalker idiots here just to have his accounts shut down and was tired |
| 00:08 |
nubbins` |
of playing games. Use your own eyeballs/brain instead of listening to the mob of neckbeards who harassed/negged him. " |
| 00:09 |
nubbins` |
he unbanned himself with an exploit :0 |
| 00:09 |
ascii_modem |
wut |
| 00:10 |
nubbins` |
i think there's something in the forum's water supply |
| 00:11 |
nubbins` |
this is the $10mn/year master carver he's talking about, that's using 0day exploits to unban himself from the forum |
| 00:12 |
nubbins` |
so that he may deliver his piece de resistance: a 500btc scavenger hunt that can only be solved by purchasing all of his old laser-engraved coins from the various sock accounts that "bought" them |
| 00:12 |
nubbins` |
it's like the usms thing but on the forum |
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| 00:12 |
ascii_modem |
as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman |
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| 00:13 |
nubbins` |
oh, sorry, 5000 btc. |
| 00:13 |
ascii_modem |
why not 50000? |
| 00:13 |
nubbins` |
not sure. |
| 00:13 |
nubbins` |
he says he buried it in a capsule somewhere |
| 00:14 |
ascii_modem |
how do these folks decide how many zeroes |
| 00:14 |
nubbins` |
oh, wait, it was a thousand "bronze bitcoins" or smth with 5btc on each |
| 00:14 |
nubbins` |
i think they have zero dice |
| 00:14 |
nubbins` |
roll a few, count the naughts |
| 00:14 |
ascii_modem |
star product concept |
| 00:14 |
nubbins` |
aughts? |
| 00:14 |
ascii_modem |
handcarveit |
| 00:14 |
nubbins` |
goose eggs |
| 00:15 |
nubbins` |
"Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit)" |
| 00:15 |
nubbins` |
ah, goodness |
| 00:16 |
ascii_modem |
did anyone ever actually buy from this nitwit ? |
| 00:17 |
decimation |
ascii_modem: I thought we went over the libdl/openssl thing |
| 00:17 |
nubbins` |
from what i can figure, he buys accounts |
| 00:17 |
nubbins` |
and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins |
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| 00:17 |
nubbins` |
with the exception of one or two rubes |
| 00:17 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049840 |
| 00:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-03-2015 04:37:31; decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso' |
| 00:17 |
nubbins` |
ohhhhhh |
| 00:17 |
nubbins` |
nice |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
wait, hold on |
| 00:18 |
decimation |
I thought he put that in the script |
| 00:18 |
ascii_modem |
did anyone try this? i forget |
| 00:18 |
decimation |
I did, on my own |
| 00:18 |
ascii_modem |
works? |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
sorry |
| 00:18 |
decimation |
well, it compiled anyway |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
it's in 0.5.3.1 auto.sh, not portatronic |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
one sec |
| 00:18 |
decimation |
I didn't run it to full sync |
| 00:22 |
nubbins` |
lel the roomie and his friend are watching "death of a fuckin salesman" |
| 00:24 |
decimation |
!up ascii_modem |
| 00:24 |
ascii_modem |
when will we read 'death of a sp4mz0r' ? |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
glengarry glen spam |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
the shouting is starting to get really good now |
| 00:24 |
decimation |
ascii_modem: did you see the earlier note about glibc compiled statically |
| 00:25 |
ascii_modem |
decimation: ? |
| 00:25 |
decimation |
well, redhat provides a static libc |
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| 00:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15319 @ 0.00027266 = 4.1769 BTC [+] |
| 00:25 |
decimation |
the libnss symbols are present therein |
| 00:26 |
nubbins` |
!up AusBitBank |
| 00:26 |
ascii_modem |
if i can't replicate it with my existing toolchain - it doesnt exist |
| 00:29 |
decimation |
ah you are using uclibc for pogo |
| 00:29 |
nubbins` |
i am |
| 00:29 |
ascii_modem |
same |
| 00:29 |
nubbins` |
go small or go to the mall |
| 00:31 |
decimation |
well, the redhat glibc static build is pretty much just building glibc with -static |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
ok, so the libdl/DSO thing is gone |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KqcWDAs1 |
| 00:33 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPhIz ) |
| 00:34 |
decimation |
ok from uclibc docs/Glibc_vs_uClibc_Differences.txt |
| 00:34 |
decimation |
6) uClibc does not support NSS (/lib/libnss_*), which allows glibc to easily support various methods of authentication and DNS resolution. uClibc only supports flat password files and shadow password files for storing authentication information. If you need something more complex than this, you can compile and install pam. |
| 00:35 |
decimation |
so this is not an issue for pogo anyway |
| 00:36 |
ascii_modem |
this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again. |
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| 00:36 |
decimation |
indeed |
| 00:36 |
decimation |
all the more reason to use embedded buildroot/minimal distro |
| 00:36 |
nubbins` |
+1 |
| 00:36 |
decimation |
the amount of bloat in glibc is quite shocking |
| 00:37 |
decimation |
I mostly blame redhat |
| 00:37 |
decimation |
they want to turn linux into winblows |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
who doesn't |
| 00:38 |
nubbins` |
meanwhile windows wants to turn itself into a bunch of sheets of coloured construction paper laid out on a blue tarp |
| 00:39 |
decimation |
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-its-core-productand-became-a-billion-dollar-business/ < ""We never ever go into a customer and say, 'There's an application that's not supported on RHEL," Cormier said. "If it's supported on Windows, it's supported on RHEL."" |
| 00:40 |
assbot |
How Red Hat killed its core product—and became a billion-dollar business | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVabMr ) |
| 00:41 |
decimation |
^ what he means, specifically, is that you can enslave your rhel machine to a winblows 'kerberos/ldap' server |
| 00:41 |
decimation |
which gives us glibc turdlets |
| 00:44 |
* |
Adlai never understood why nobody wrote a tree-shaking compiler |
| 00:44 |
ascii_modem |
^ |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
ascii_modem: suddenly talk about lisp machines seems cool |
| 00:45 |
ascii_modem |
one reason is that it is damnably hard for c/cpp |
| 00:46 |
decimation |
there's this thing http://www.absint.com/compcert/index.htm |
| 00:46 |
assbot |
CompCert ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPUl7 ) |
| 00:46 |
Adlai |
sure, but it's not like this is the first time people have wanted to use minimal functionality from existing libraries |
| 00:46 |
decimation |
^ I tried to use it once, immediately puked when it encountered system libraries |
| 00:47 |
ascii_modem |
safety-critical c, l0l!! |
| 00:48 |
decimation |
don't laugh ascii, it's apparently industry standard |
| 00:49 |
ascii_modem |
the car-with-stuck-accelerator industry? |
| 00:49 |
decimation |
aye that's what I'm thinking of |
| 00:50 |
ascii_modem |
or the plane-falls-like-brick one |
| 00:50 |
decimation |
it's in the logs somewhere. point is, there's a whole cottage industry around trying to 'support' C for missions that matter |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
the lite version for interested folks http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences < " |
| 00:51 |
assbot |
Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVb6MK ) |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
Barr's ultimate conclusions were that: Toyota’s electronic throttle control system (ETCS) source code is of unreasonable quality. Toyota’s source code is defective and contains bugs, including bugs that can cause unintended acceleration (UA). Code-quality metrics predict presence of additional bugs. Toyota’s fail safes are defective and inadequate (referring to them as a “house of cards” safety architecture). |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
Misbehaviors of Toyota’s ETCS are a cause of UA. " |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
"Although the investigation focused almost entirely on software, there is at least one HW factor: Toyota claimed the 2005 Camry's main CPU had error detecting and correcting (EDAC) RAM. It didn't. EDAC, or at least parity RAM, is relatively easy and low-cost insurance for safety-critical systems." |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
lol |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
one wonders how much of our lives depend directly on such hard and soft turdware |
| 00:54 |
decimation |
!up ascii_modem |
| 00:55 |
ascii_modem |
as much as we let. |
| 00:55 |
decimation |
rms was right about this kind of stuff |
| 00:56 |
decimation |
if 'we' let vendors hide their software, they will produce turds |
| 00:56 |
ascii_modem |
it will happen until hammurabic punishment is reintroduced. |
| 00:56 |
Adlai |
something like compcert doesn't help when the libraries have mounds of garbage code, even if it "works," you just get mounds of garbage object code |
| 00:57 |
decimation |
Adlai: yeah I don't think it will even let you link with any modern open source standard libraries |
| 00:57 |
ascii_modem |
fits-in-head is the only answer. though it goes well with a balanced diet of public impalements for wreckerz |
| 00:58 |
ascii_modem |
fitted non-ecc ram in a car? enjoy being used as living crash dummy in next test |
| 00:59 |
decimation |
at least toyota got to pocket $0.50! |
| 01:00 |
ascii_modem |
some berkshire 'wriggleys' is laughing all the way to the bank |
| 01:00 |
ascii_modem |
but it is important to remember -why- |
| 01:01 |
ascii_modem |
it is -not!- because the non-ecc chip is cheaper |
| 01:01 |
ascii_modem |
but because the unreflective imbecile who signed off on it is. |
| 01:02 |
decimation |
^ should be sat upon stake |
| 01:02 |
ascii_modem |
cheaper than that endangered animal, the actual engineer... |
| 01:03 |
decimation |
somewhere there was a sweatshop where some asian person was committing code to this device |
| 01:03 |
decimation |
and that person either *knew* what he was doing or was pathologically ignorant |
| 01:03 |
ascii_modem |
quite possibly did not even know, for toyota or toy car |
| 01:04 |
ascii_modem |
but someone -decided- to use the idiot coolie |
| 01:04 |
decimation |
true. it's also possible that the code was acquired from elsewhere, written for some other purpose, and was 'merit-washed' into the ecm module |
| 01:04 |
ascii_modem |
^ not uncommon |
| 01:05 |
decimation |
not uncommon at all - for instance, openssl |
| 01:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00027266 = 2.6175 BTC [+] |
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~ 31 minutes ~ |
| 01:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089113 << ftr, i've given up on it. imo gentoo is too retarded to be usable. |
| 01:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 03:56:30; ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo |
| 01:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089150 << lol. |
| 01:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:26; nubbins`: it's like the usms thing but on the forum |
| 01:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089151 << quite exactly that, actually. |
| 01:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:42; ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman |
| 01:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. |
| 01:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins |
| 01:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089192 << maybe i'm from the wrong asylum, but what exactly does "provide a static X" mean ? |
| 01:43 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 04:25:47; decimation: well, redhat provides a static libc |
| 01:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ? |
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| 01:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i want it from nsa directly. what is this. |
| 01:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27088 @ 0.00027215 = 7.372 BTC [-] |
| 01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089208 << apparently we were not the only ones to notice glibc got raped. |
| 01:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 04:36:00; ascii_modem: this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again. |
| 01:46 |
ben_vulpes |
i have a gentoo that comes up as expected - but sans eth0, and damned if i can figure out why. |
| 01:46 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, that's enough for one day. |
| 01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
(*damned* frustrating, that networking thing) |
| 01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
(live cd connects through virtualization layer just happily |
| 01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
but compiled kernel and gentoo - simply refuses. indubitably attributable to operator error.) |
| 01:48 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 |
| 01:48 |
trinque |
then start the symlink |
| 01:48 |
trinque |
because magic is awesome |
| 01:48 |
trinque |
then there's of course having the right kernel module going |
| 01:49 |
ben_vulpes |
i-i'm scared, t-trinque |
| 01:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm fucking depressed. |
| 01:50 |
ben_vulpes |
waI/ |
| 01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
? |
| 01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
pressed shitboard all the way down? |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. |
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| 01:54 |
mats |
and here i thought mp was going to show a moment of vulnerability |
| 01:54 |
trinque |
someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer |
| |
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| 01:54 |
trinque |
can't have that because it wouldn't be gentoo! |
| 01:54 |
trinque |
yes it would |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"someone could solve this" |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering. |
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| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ubuntu is practically 10.04 |
| 01:55 |
trinque |
hm, how do you resolve it? |
| 01:56 |
trinque |
either it's easy to install and becomes the shit-smeared playground, or it's pulling teeth and marginally less shit-smeared, it seems |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
how. spiked club in one hand, plank-with-nail in another hand. |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
stepping on transvestite cocks and hispster beards, in a swamp of hurt feelings. |
| 01:57 |
trinque |
haha, the plank with nail is unstoppable |
| 01:57 |
trinque |
sounds like a hell of a fun time |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
sadly intelligent people are coditioned to fear hurting idiots, instead of enjoying it. |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, it's the most objectionable thing ever, all this list of gotchas. |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
trying to install gentoo is like taking an exam for public servancy |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"you mean to tell me you wrote down form f.45.b instead of 4.5.fb ?!?!?! |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
if i wanted to live like that i'd have stayed in academia." |
| 02:01 |
trinque |
oh god the mundane knowledge you must have to operate it |
| 02:01 |
trinque |
I don't feel smarter doing this |
| 02:01 |
mircea_popescu |
that'd be the problem. |
| 02:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13329 @ 0.00027215 = 3.6275 BTC [-] |
| 02:18 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 02:18 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 350791 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 78486415641.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 58.73032 |
| 02:26 |
mats |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel |
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| 02:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-04-2015 20:59:21; asciilifeform: mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. |
| 02:29 |
mats |
quoth the spender: "the problem i set out to solve with UDEREF was that many kernel bugs can be exploited (at all or more reliably) due to the fact that on i386 most OSs don't separate the userland virtual address space from that of the kernel. this in turn means that whenever userland can make the kernel (unexpectedly) dereference a userland controlled |
| 02:29 |
mats |
pointer, userland can control the data (and sometimes, control) flow of the kernel by virtue of providing the attack data in its own userland address range as it's fully visible in the kernel's virtual address space as well" |
| 02:30 |
mats |
https://grsecurity.net/~spender/uderef.txt << for the logs |
| 02:30 |
assbot |
404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6g33I ) |
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~ 1 hours 51 minutes ~ |
| 04:22 |
mircea_popescu |
im starting to realise the "bitcoin atm" thing is actually just a sort of "freedom toaster" v2.0 |
| 04:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8764 @ 0.00027599 = 2.4188 BTC [+] |
| 04:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Wait, you had other impression of it? |
| 04:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i originally imagined it's a misguided attempt to make money, |
| 04:37 |
mircea_popescu |
rather than a ludicrous attempt to be hipsterashionable. |
| 04:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Will it's an attempt to make some money for the people selling the boxes, but mostly it's a piece of conference swag some naive souls tried to introduce into the real world. |
| 04:40 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 04:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Setup a freedom toaster at a conference, some idiots are going to put one up in a space they have access to thinking it will attact passerby outside the conference distortion swirl, same with BTC ATMs |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a bizarre sort of museum-ification of life. |
| 04:59 |
BingoBoingo |
There's probably some subset of compulsive behavior spectrum that desperately wants whatever they are doing to actual be museum'ing |
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| 05:33 |
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Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1131/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.65237 BTC. Current weight: 86,479. |
| 05:34 |
|
Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.265139 BTC. Current weight: 92,827. |
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| 05:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00028224 = 2.9011 BTC [+] |
| 05:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00028229 = 1.9478 BTC [+] {2} |
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| 06:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00028277 = 7.1399 BTC [+] {2} |
| 06:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00028334 = 3.1876 BTC [+] {2} |
| 07:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00027671 = 9.2698 BTC [-] {4} |
| 07:18 |
cazalla |
danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/ |
| 07:18 |
assbot |
Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR2SmO ) |
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~ 2 hours 3 minutes ~ |
| 09:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00027841 = 3.0486 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:28 |
nubbins` |
oh jeez so many eaten messages |
| 09:28 |
nubbins` |
<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. <<< i still have NFI |
| 09:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins |
| 09:28 |
nubbins` |
<+trinque> ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 <<< +1 |
| 09:28 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes my eth0 is named enp0s3 in gentoo by default |
| 09:28 |
nubbins` |
try ifconfig to see if yours is same |
| 09:33 |
nubbins` |
https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/584496773592383488 |
| 09:33 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Foundation's Corporate Counsel (Greg Egan) just resigned. |
| 09:33 |
nubbins` |
i like this guy |
| 09:34 |
nubbins` |
okay, this is good:http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KKWE8Spe |
| 09:35 |
nubbins` |
now it's happening when i try to (re-)compile bdb rather than when i try to compile bitcoind |
| 09:42 |
nubbins` |
<+cazalla> danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted <<< this imo is explicit admission by her enemies that they have no external genitalia |
| 09:48 |
nubbins` |
!up ascii_modem |
| 09:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00028338 = 3.4147 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:52 |
nubbins` |
morn |
| 09:58 |
punkman |
http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/ << couple cops showing up and being polite doesn't sound like "SWATed" |
| 09:58 |
assbot |
Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1a4Cknf ) |
| 09:59 |
ascii_modem |
mega-log |
| 10:01 |
ascii_modem |
mircea_popescu: gentoo is not so much a 'usable linux' as a -machine for building a usable linux-. sorta like 'buildroot'. would you also say that, e.g., a lathe - is 'unusable' ? |
| 10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
for me, yes |
| 10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
a lathe is the essence of unusable. |
| 10:03 |
ascii_modem |
me, i find all those -other- distros, the ones that insist on littering my disk with all those bins i didn't ask for and that werent built in my home - unusable |
| 10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
these are completely separate problems. |
| 10:04 |
ascii_modem |
? |
| 10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
so i find prisses unusable and you find crosseyed women unusable. so ? |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
<+mircea_popescu> a lathe is the essence of unusable. <<< o.O i bet you have soft hands |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
very. and feet. |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
if you want to complete the picture, tell me your handshake is limp and clammy |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
nop. |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
;/ |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
again, entirely separate propblems, these. |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
a study in poopsites |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
also opposites. |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
:( |
| 10:06 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 10:06 |
ascii_modem |
i find it odd that mircea_popescu does not handle linux in same way as lathe or - hell - dental work |
| 10:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i can. ocasionally i choose not to. |
| 10:11 |
ascii_modem |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << ftr a new gentoo box usually takes me at least a week - if on sane hardware |
| 10:11 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
and you do not see a problem with this ? |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn't say it should take YOU an hour. i said it should take me an hour. |
| 10:13 |
ascii_modem |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick |
| 10:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer |
| 10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
and i'm not counting whatever it takes to compile. just, it is not sane to expect me to go through laundry lists for minute after minute after minute. |
| 10:14 |
ascii_modem |
that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin |
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| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well... |
| 10:15 |
ascii_modem |
and done once |
| 10:16 |
ascii_modem |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089301 << exactly |
| 10:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 05:55:23; mircea_popescu: sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering. |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
what was bitcoind using that ended up pulling libnss via glibc ? gethostbyaddr() was it ? |
| 10:17 |
ascii_modem |
no royal road, people |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
BULL! |
| 10:18 |
ascii_modem |
mircea_popescu: dns in general , aha |
| 10:19 |
nubbins` |
why did i not have this issue |
| 10:20 |
nubbins` |
!up ascii_modem |
| 10:20 |
ascii_modem |
nubbins': which issue |
| 10:21 |
nubbins` |
w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now. |
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| 10:21 |
* |
nubbins` is buried under mountain of monkeys and footballs |
| 10:21 |
ascii_modem |
you did, no ? |
| 10:21 |
ascii_modem |
until killed the dns crap |
| 10:22 |
nubbins` |
oh right, yeah, the dns-snip patch killed that |
| 10:23 |
ascii_modem |
though i'm pretty sure it left a dns turd in somewhere - so a bit odd, this |
| 10:23 |
nubbins` |
hmmmmmmm, cross-toolchain just spit out a static binary. |
| 10:23 |
* |
nubbins` scrambles to xfer to pogo |
| 10:24 |
ascii_modem |
nubbins': run on pogotron |
| 10:24 |
ascii_modem |
if runs - genuinely static |
| 10:24 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 10:24 |
nubbins` |
ldd says so, but proof is in pudding |
| 10:24 |
ascii_modem |
the -only- real test |
| 10:25 |
nubbins` |
gotta set atftp |
| 10:27 |
ascii_modem |
i still want to know why gentoo has the only honest (re: stdint) gcc ! |
| 10:29 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089276 < I apologize for failing to convey my meaning well. I meant that redhat 'provides' this as a source package, and therefore one could examine exactly how they did it - not to swallow the binary without inspection. Source is here > http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Server/en/os/SRPMS/glibc-2.12-1.149.el6_6.5.src.rpm |
| 10:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 05:43:38; mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ? |
| 10:29 |
ascii_modem |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089320 << fuck 'mitigation' and the surrender built into the word. i insist on -extirpation- -- with hot iron |
| 10:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 06:26:08; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel |
| 10:30 |
ascii_modem |
decimation: the source rpm still needs rathead to build |
| 10:30 |
nubbins` |
ugh c'mon tftp |
| 10:30 |
nubbins` |
/home/ftp # tftp 192.168.2.23 just spits out usage instructions |
| 10:32 |
ascii_modem |
nubbins': use atftpd |
| 10:32 |
decimation |
well, it does need rpmbuild at least, it would probably be difficult to work without redhat |
| 10:33 |
decimation |
Although if I recall a version of rpmbuild was available on gentoo |
| 10:34 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089403 < because uclibc doesn't even support nss |
| 10:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 14:21:21; nubbins`: w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now. |
| 10:34 |
nubbins` |
ascii_modem actually it was the client side that baffled me, heh. |
| 10:34 |
nubbins` |
check it OUT: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CnwtSvuQ |
| 10:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1y7eTFk ) |
| 10:34 |
decimation |
although the question of what it does with gethostbyaddr() is a good one |
| 10:35 |
nubbins` |
no storage attached at all, so i can't tell if it, y'know, does anything |
| 10:35 |
nubbins` |
but i think this is sufficient proof, yes? |
| 10:35 |
decimation |
mostly, yes |
| 10:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39378 @ 0.00027217 = 10.7175 BTC [-] {2} |
| 10:36 |
nubbins` |
so that's static bitcoind, running on pogotron, built with portatronic toolchain. |
| 10:36 |
mats |
well ofc provably preventing the exploit is preferable. PaX like a custom Gentoo build, relying on the attacker not knowing it's there, and/or failing to react accordingly |
| 10:36 |
decimation |
good job nubbins` |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation o i c. |
| 10:38 |
decimation |
apparently uclibc has a dns client that opens /etc/resolv.conf itself, built into the code |
| 10:38 |
decimation |
libc/inet/resolv.conf |
| 10:38 |
decimation |
libc/inet/resolv.c |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah apparently uclibc is made specifically because of this/similar issues |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
at least looks to me like something along those lines |
| 10:39 |
nubbins` |
here's my auto.sh: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HxUfaTPT |
| 10:39 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1y7fdDK ) |
| 10:40 |
nubbins` |
please note the Boost section -- i'm using a custom subset of the full boost libs |
| 10:40 |
nubbins` |
you'll need to use bcp (see logs) to trim out the fat and gristle |
| 10:40 |
nubbins` |
otherwise your boost build will fail |
| 10:40 |
nubbins` |
i'm gonna try this all from scratch once more just to verify |
| 10:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00027 = 3.017 BTC [-] |
| 10:52 |
nubbins` |
ok fwiw that auto.sh does have problems, i'll try to polish it later |
| 10:52 |
nubbins` |
also the bcp stuff could totally be included in same, not sure if this is something people want |
| 10:52 |
nubbins` |
or if they'd rather do it manually as needed |
| 10:53 |
nubbins` |
but i don't think it's a *terrible* idea for our install script to only compile the parts of boost that we need |
| 10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
epic shit nubsy |
| 10:53 |
nubbins` |
imagine, i thought i left this life behind. |
| 10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
pls to make a proper patch in full glory so people can benefit from fruits of your genius. |
| 10:54 |
nubbins` |
yah |
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| 11:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19434 @ 0.00028388 = 5.5169 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10760 @ 0.00028767 = 3.0953 BTC [+] |
| 11:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0002881 = 2.9098 BTC [+] |
| 12:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00028699 = 4.3909 BTC [-] |
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| 12:48 |
trinque |
ascii_modem | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick << nah, just bash script that plonks you into a partition editor, then a list of architectures, then has you pick a stage, etc; script the scriptable parts of the manual, and leave everything that should be.. manual :D |
| 12:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer |
| 12:50 |
trinque |
I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me. |
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| 13:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8523 @ 0.00027831 = 2.372 BTC [-] |
| 13:15 |
trinque |
!up marteen |
| 13:22 |
nubbins` |
has anyone besides me and alf attempted the portatronic buildroot? |
| 13:22 |
nubbins` |
would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready |
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| 14:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00027831 = 2.8527 BTC [-] |
| 14:05 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm still making a gentoo |
| 14:05 |
ben_vulpes |
running behind. |
| 14:05 |
ben_vulpes |
but hory shit have i learned things about the linux shitpile |
| 14:06 |
Apocalyptic |
^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience |
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| 14:28 |
danielpbarron |
height=313721 vs height=220810 |
| 14:28 |
danielpbarron |
!up Bagels7 |
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| 14:44 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron closer... |
| 14:45 |
nubbins` |
darwin64: height=213002 |
| 14:57 |
* |
Bagels7 !s panama |
| 14:58 |
ben_vulpes |
!s panama |
| 14:58 |
assbot |
120 results for 'panama' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=panama |
| 14:58 |
ben_vulpes |
hrm> |
| 15:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00027699 = 5.9276 BTC [-] {3} |
| 15:06 |
danielpbarron |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gentoo << just a starting point / copy pasted from gentoo wiki |
| 15:12 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: i have an enp0s3 as well, don't really know what to do to turn it into/use it as eth0 tho |
| 15:13 |
ben_vulpes |
i'll probably eventually figure it out |
| 15:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9888 @ 0.00027574 = 2.7265 BTC [-] |
| 15:16 |
nubbins` |
um |
| 15:18 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg136717.html |
| 15:18 |
assbot |
Re: [gentoo-user] VirtualBox guest eth0/enp0s3 problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1ayWPt5 ) |
| 15:19 |
Adlai |
;;bc,diff |
| 15:19 |
gribble |
Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. |
| 15:20 |
Adlai |
;;bc,stats |
| 15:20 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 350874 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 54249359325.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.71349 |
| 15:20 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: are you using udev or eudev? |
| 15:23 |
nubbins` |
i can't remember ;/ |
| 15:33 |
ben_vulpes |
awww shit yee i have sshd into the gentoo box! |
| 15:33 |
ben_vulpes |
ssh'd |
| 15:33 |
ben_vulpes |
uh what next |
| 15:33 |
ben_vulpes |
buildroot? |
| 15:33 |
ben_vulpes |
buildroot. |
| 15:34 |
nubbins` |
heh yeah |
| 15:34 |
nubbins` |
follow http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html |
| 15:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1yogaSI ) |
| 15:35 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/why-did-my-fans-come-on |
| 15:35 |
assbot |
why did my fans come on? ... ( http://bit.ly/1az02Zy ) |
| 15:36 |
nubbins` |
also see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/thread.html last few posts |
| 15:36 |
assbot |
The BTC-dev March 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1az0cjE ) |
| 15:36 |
nubbins` |
if you want to be able to build bitcoind with your buildroot toolchain, you'll have to add a few options to the config |
| 15:37 |
nubbins` |
i did this by running make nconfig after make pogoplug_defconfig and adding them manually |
| 15:39 |
ben_vulpes |
awe nuts |
| 15:39 |
ben_vulpes |
me pogo's at the office |
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| 15:47 |
ben_vulpes |
mwell i'm off for a bit |
| 15:47 |
ben_vulpes |
hafta upgrade from os x 10.9 to 10.10 to cut ios builds |
| 15:47 |
ben_vulpes |
yay |
| 15:52 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << OpenBSD is very easy to install, so long as you have hardware on which it is easy to install |
| 15:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. |
| 15:55 |
danielpbarron |
can use xfce, chromium, gimp, etc.. |
| 15:55 |
danielpbarron |
all in ports |
| 15:55 |
danielpbarron |
if you're used to debian, OpenBSD isn't such a jarring experience |
| 15:57 |
danielpbarron |
not that gentoo can't do those things, but the installer is actually somewhat automated |
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| 16:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9517 @ 0.00027574 = 2.6242 BTC [-] |
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| 16:57 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/04/ti-89-bitcoin-diceware-tool-released/ << since scoop seems missing |
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| 16:57 |
assbot |
TI-89 Bitcoin Diceware Tool Released | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOW9Lp ) |
| 17:00 |
nubbins` |
man for the life of me i can't reproduce these build steps |
| 17:00 |
nubbins` |
wtf |
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| 18:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00028861 = 4.5889 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23623 @ 0.000289 = 6.827 BTC [+] |
| 18:28 |
nubbins` |
anyway, the general idea is to use bcp to rip everything out of boost that doesn't belong there |
| 18:28 |
nubbins` |
i think i'm maybe just ripping one or two things too many out of it |
| 18:29 |
nubbins` |
mildly annoying that i've got a binary but can't reproduce the process |
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| 18:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000289 = 1.7051 BTC [+] |
| 19:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00028779 = 4.4176 BTC [-] |
| 19:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00028779 = 2.806 BTC [-] |
| 19:12 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu got your msg but not his reply, it was keyed to you only |
| 19:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00028808 = 4.3356 BTC [+] |
| 19:34 |
mats |
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/business/powdered-alcohol-meets-resistance-in-us-before-it-even-comes-to-market.html |
| 19:34 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9aB02 ) |
| 19:45 |
punkman |
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/08/business/the-executive-computer.html |
| 19:45 |
assbot |
THE EXECUTIVE COMPUTER - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9cBFC ) |
| 19:52 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: "The packages, at 4 inches by 6 inches, are not easily concealed, he said. And because of the single-use packaging, he said, it would be easier to spike a punchbowl with a large bottle of rum." << I was telling people you wouldn't lose volume by powdering the stuff |
| 19:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13869 @ 0.000289 = 4.0081 BTC [+] |
| 20:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8291 @ 0.000289 = 2.3961 BTC [+] |
| 20:08 |
nubbins` |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9320989 |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/03/11http://bitcoinstats.com/... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9gYjP ) |
| 20:08 |
nubbins` |
absent title: "the bitcoin protocol doesn't exist" |
| 20:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4049 @ 0.00027367 = 1.1081 BTC [-] |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00027045 = 1.4199 BTC [-] |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lolk. |
| 20:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26073 @ 0.00027067 = 7.0572 BTC [+] |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
^ anything from that link other than factual ? |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
lies by omission re: who broke, yes |
| 20:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46711 @ 0.0002872 = 13.4154 BTC [+] {4} |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
it's entirely untrue, and a poor attempt at trying to salvage some clout for the power rangers. |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin is in fact a very solid protocol, and it flows in an unbroken line from software pre 0.5.x and from block 1. |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
pretense to the contrary is just that, pretense, readily explained by the desperation in usg quarters post their loss of their main asset in here. |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it is kind-of fascinating for me that they were actually this unprepared for gavin getting headshot. |
| 20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
(you can trace Patrick McKenzie / starfighter if you feel like it0 |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
marginally amusing read, stuff like http://www.kalzumeus.com/2015/03/09/announcing-starfighter/ (grep for "Sounds like BS, right. I know. Im a generic web programmer (yay Ruby, meh JavaScript, boo low-level anything). The last time I played a CTF, written by my cofounders, they had me breaking into locks controlled by micro controllers which ran embedded assembly code.") |
| 20:54 |
assbot |
Announcing Starfighter | Kalzumeus Software ... ( http://bit.ly/19WBys2 ) |
| 20:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00030325 = 3.4116 BTC [+] |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
up Birdman |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Birdman |
| 20:57 |
Birdman |
[20:57] <Birdman> thoughts on the Chinese's AIIB? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-02/us-has-screwed-its-approach-chinas-aiib-former-us-secretary-state-blasts |
| 20:57 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/19WC21j ) |
| 20:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 386 @ 0.00284 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:58 |
Birdman |
Apparently nations are falling head over heels to switch over |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not exactly new. was discussed here back in the lead-up to the cn-ru financial compact |
| 20:59 |
Birdman |
Then I suppose I should read up on the logs, thanks. |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
beijing accords or wtf they were called |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
it was pretty clear at the time the ru "sanctions" were nailgun suicide. |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Rozal |
| 21:03 |
Rozal |
thank you |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089391 << you know, you should fucking publish it. |
| 21:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 14:14:53; ascii_modem: that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
so it's done once not just at level you, but at the whole wot level. |
| 21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089468 << couldn't have said it better myself. |
| 21:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 16:50:58; trinque: I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me. |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089472 << ahh the excitement of the geek that laid an egg :D |
| 21:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 17:22:50; nubbins`: would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089477 << exactly the right name for that comment lol |
| 21:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 18:06:07; Apocalyptic: ^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience |
| 21:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4691 @ 0.00030769 = 1.4434 BTC [+] |
| 21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/making-security-sausage << pretty great read ftr. guy's likable. |
| 21:12 |
assbot |
making security sausage ... ( http://bit.ly/1IiqrbO ) |
| 21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/analysis-of-d2i-X509-reuse << even names dogecoin, with correct usage in context. |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
analysis of d2i_X509 reuse ... ( http://bit.ly/19WFcC9 ) |
| 21:19 |
nubbins` |
bitcoinrpc.cpp is a big one |
| 21:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00030598 = 1.9583 BTC [-] |
| 21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
feel the need for silverware nubbins` ? |
| 21:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00031364 = 1.3643 BTC [+] |
| 21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089515 << a man with just one pogo is like the woman trying to get pregnant off a single spermatozoid. |
| 21:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 19:39:37; ben_vulpes: me pogo's at the office |
| 21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
The likelihood of widespread Palcohol abuse particularly among underage consumers carries a real possibility of tragic consequences, Mr. Franchot said in a statement, which is why Im so pleased by the industrys unified response to protect the public from such a dangerous product. |
| 21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl. errything that's broken, in one sentence. |
| 21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
re this entire "powdered alcohol" bs : why the fuck would i drink a galon of cyclodextrine slog for a quart of alcohol ? |
| 21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
why not eat cotton imbibed in milk. |
| 21:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55350 @ 0.00030496 = 16.8795 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a6adfb6ada69f528204781e135fb3b8d/tumblr_nga4gxtFcR1qgv7t5o1_1280.jpg |
| 21:32 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/19WGVY7 ) |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
'palcohol' << anyone remember when they banned the etoh antidote ? |
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| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
what was that ? |
| 21:36 |
* |
asciilifeform digs for ancient yarchive entry |
| 21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://mad0uleurexquise.tumblr.com/post/108802990037/trauma-is-complicated-after-a-couple-of-years-of << what an actual feminist actually sounds like. *like*. copying the form does not result in being a feminist. |
| 21:43 |
assbot |
Trauma is complicated. After a couple of years of... — My Exquisite Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/19WIFAK ) |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
the important part being that the pansy-ass ten year olds masquerading as adults have reclassified as "trauma" a large swath of life experiences that are exactly necessary for the woman. |
| 21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
much like the same idiots have reclassified natural phenomena like wildfire as "bad", notwithstanding that coniferous trees will only open the seedpods if they get scorched. |
| 21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
because they lived there forever, and are adapted to what there *means*. |
| 21:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00030213 = 7.3871 BTC [-] |
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| 22:09 |
TomServo |
Ethereum wallet down to 486 BTC. |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.hydeparkmedia.com/fisher.html << vintage lol |
| 22:10 |
assbot |
Hyde Park Media | Paul Fisher Space Pen ... ( http://bit.ly/19WMjKY ) |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
'With that he interrupted me and said, `Mr. Fisher, you as an individual have no inalienable rights. You live in a democracy subject to the will of the majority, and the will of the majority, through an act of Congress can deprive you of any right.'' |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao wut. |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"I don't remember that," Fisher says. "But the inmates did tell me they had never eaten so good until I arrived." |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
tales from the early soviets. |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
could be romania back when ceausescu was trying to play prague spring supporter just as well. |
| 22:19 |
BingoBoingo |
!up pete_dushenski |
| 22:19 |
pete_dushenski |
o hello |
| 22:19 |
pete_dushenski |
thx bb |
| 22:20 |
pete_dushenski |
lol i was wondering when the last 5k was going to disappear from the 'ethereum wallet' |
| 22:22 |
pete_dushenski |
aaand scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/ |
| 22:22 |
assbot |
Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/19WNKsN ) |
| 22:25 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089526 << heh. yes. |
| 22:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-04-2015 20:57:47; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/ti-89-bitcoin-diceware-tool-released/ << since scoop seems missing |
| 22:35 |
pete_dushenski |
!s water |
| 22:35 |
assbot |
995 results for 'water' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=water |
| 22:36 |
pete_dushenski |
"The 25 percent cut in water consumption ordered by Gov. Jerry Brown raises fundamental questions about what life in California will be like in the years ahead, and even whether this state faces the prospect of people leaving for wetter climates" |
| 22:36 |
pete_dushenski |
hey gavin, thirsty yet ? |
| 22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
guy lives in mass. |
| 22:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54395 @ 0.00028799 = 15.6652 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16505 @ 0.00029563 = 4.8794 BTC [+] {2} |
| 22:45 |
pete_dushenski |
hm. my mistake |
| 22:45 |
pete_dushenski |
fine, hearn then! |
| 22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i think hearn is one of the... how shall i put this. |
| 22:46 |
decimation |
it would be handy to have a 'diceware' version for rsa keys |
| 22:47 |
decimation |
^ re: ti-89 'diceware' tool |
| 22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
well, perhaps an illustration is worth a billion words. here : http://mad0uleurexquise.tumblr.com/post/115182109582/allysins-treat-a-slut-how-she-deserves-to-be |
| 22:49 |
assbot |
allysins: Treat a slut how she deserves to be... — My Exquisite Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/19WR1IG ) |
| 22:49 |
decimation |
re: california > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us/california-drought-tests-history-of-endless-growth.html?_r=0 < "“Mother Nature didn’t intend for 40 million people to live here,” said Kevin Starr, a historian at the University of Southern California who has written extensively about this state. “This is literally a culture that since the 1880s has progressively invented, invented and reinvented itself. At what point |
| 22:49 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19WR4Ek ) |
| 22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
note pete_dushenski the guy starts by inquiring whether the tramp is "in a room tonight" |
| 22:49 |
decimation |
does this invention begin to hit limits?”" |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
the "easy" situation has created this particular inferno for the underclass, that they are literally a mob now. |
| 22:50 |
bitstein |
pete_dushenski: Hearn lives in Switzerland. |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
no fixed place of residence, some nights in a hotel, or a car, or someone's livingroom, or the park. |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
that's pretty much the life of the whore, and of the mentally ill, and of the "student" and so on. bums, the lot of them. |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
like hearn, like everyone else on github. like the names on social media, like the leah goodmans trying to convince you they're "journalists". |
| 22:51 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this was taken to hilarious heights in j. brunner's 'stand on zanzibar', where virtually the entire fuckable female population of planet earth lives that way |
| 22:51 |
decimation |
meanwhile actualy california has 'reinvented' itself into a central american shithole, wants to pretend like it matters |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, "journalists" just like the fictional carriew bradshaw, |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
not journalists like every other whore you fucked whenever you didn't mind getting filmy. |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
just like the actresses waiting tables and turning tricks. |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a social class. |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform aha. |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not far from truth today. |
| 22:52 |
asciilifeform |
mega-b00k incidentally. recommended to all. |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation in fairness, california has always been past its demographic limits. people were paying more for hay there than anywhere in the world cca 1850 |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
(nevada excepted, of course) |
| 22:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00028743 = 5.7486 BTC [-] |
| 22:54 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: heh, well this particular whore recently claimed to have never heard of #b-a, which must be like carrie bradshaw never having heard of the new york times |
| 22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski if you recall the famous "conference" held in london by nefario, taaki and the rest of "bitcoinica consultancy" crowd... |
| 22:54 |
pete_dushenski |
because in magical fairy land, things that don't like you don't exist |
| 22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the idea, generally. like going to a rave, orwhatever. sleep on the floor of a squatted building. |
| 22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
sleep at renton's underage girlfriend's parents' place |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"are you her mates or what then ?!" |
| 22:55 |
pete_dushenski |
airbnb it |
| 22:55 |
pete_dushenski |
or not even |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski airbnb costs money. |
| 22:55 |
pete_dushenski |
'private rooms' cost less, whole suite, ya, that's too high falutin |
| 22:55 |
decimation |
^ actresses waiting tables/turning tricks now use 25% less water |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
and this is how the carrie bradshaw selected hearing works. she'd have heard of the new york times, but not of... hm |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a point in case : http://www.toptenz.net/10-greatest-american-philosophers.php |
| 22:56 |
assbot |
10 Greatest American Philosophers - Toptenz.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19WRTNv ) |
| 22:56 |
pete_dushenski |
if bitstein is correct, one wonders how hearn affords to live in switzerland |
| 22:57 |
pete_dushenski |
or more precisely, who he knows there with a spare couch |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
note that they DO list that imbecile west. who has contributed as much to human knowledge as obama has : being black. |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
who is missing from that list ? |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
hint : he's a jew. his name starts with a c. |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and ends, unsurprisingly, in a y. |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: it was a nato possession since day 1 of nato (and possibly earlier depending on whether you're a dulles et al '3rd as prequel to 4th' reich proponent) |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
so, yes. carrie bradshaw of philosophy writing for the toptenz of nyt has heard of cornel but not of chomsky. |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
case in point: where is crypto ag corp. headquartered? and why |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
swiss banks: exactly like american banks but more honeypotty |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation in fairness, they had all switched to those alcohol based swipes in the 90s. |
| 22:58 |
bitstein |
pete_dushenski: He works (or used to work?) at Google's Zurich office: https://www.google.com/about/careers/locations/zurich/ |
| 22:58 |
assbot |
Zurich - Google Careers ... ( http://bit.ly/19WS5we ) |
| 22:58 |
decimation |
heh |
| 22:58 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: eh, not really a proponent of said theory. |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
in a rather disgusting turn of events. |
| 22:59 |
pete_dushenski |
swiss will go hide in the mountains, play defense, sell out who they like the least, one by one until the asker fucks off |
| 22:59 |
decimation |
my understanding is that it's not very simple to get a work visa in switzerland |
| 22:59 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: easy as a fart if you're a usg intelligence asset. |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
amusingly, it's traditionally what the nsa used |
| 23:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11511 @ 0.00027875 = 3.2087 BTC [-] |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
(the cia used germany as a cover for its people) |
| 23:00 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: if swiss banks are honeypotty, what are caymans ? |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
but somehow the geeks felt switzerland was more "technical" |
| 23:00 |
decimation |
http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-describes-cia-tricks-2013-6?op=1 |
| 23:00 |
assbot |
Edward Snowden Describes CIA Tricks - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9LHgU ) |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i think this is even mentioned in meanwhile declassified soviet stuff. they actually sorted the blacks by "switzerland or germany" |
| 23:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00027821 = 6.2041 BTC [-] {2} |
| 23:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: they bought (with guess what kind of money) sizeable stakes in various swiss concerns (including, best-known publicly, crypto ag) |
| 23:02 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: who are these blacks who were sorted ? |
| 23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
back to that "you have no rights" fisher quote for a second : it splendidly illustrates the difference between democracy and republic, |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
and why la serenissima is not a democracy, and why no democracy can be anything but "a popular democracy", as in the popular democratic republic of <insert etnonym> |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski old joke, americans ask russians how do they keep discovering their secret agents. "you could try not sending black people..." |
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| 23:04 |
pete_dushenski |
ah! i remember that one :) |
| 23:04 |
pete_dushenski |
i even retold it once, to splendid effect |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, this might make a great basis for a remake of that fabulous "le grand blanc" (which srsly was james bond only well done) |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
have a senegalese man play Igor Totallyhonestlyrusynskyi |
| 23:05 |
decimation |
^there's a 'democratic' effort to get a black guy to play james bond |
| 23:05 |
pete_dushenski |
next: asian woman bond |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
how about paraplegic bond ? |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe hawkins could cameo. |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
make it just like the bond franchise, but with handicapped people and science. |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
logical step. |
| 23:06 |
pete_dushenski |
lol at hawkins! |
| 23:06 |
pete_dushenski |
watched theory of everything' |
| 23:06 |
pete_dushenski |
last night |
| 23:07 |
pete_dushenski |
the most telling line, and keep in mind that this is in the late 60s/early 70s, was hawking saying "physics is business" |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski btw, ever seen http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Grand_Blond_avec_une_chaussure_noire ? |
| 23:07 |
assbot |
Le Grand Blond avec une chaussure noire — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/19WTbrD ) |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
you're francophone right ? |
| 23:07 |
pete_dushenski |
bilingue ;) |
| 23:07 |
decimation |
" So, what that means is, this is actually terrifying. Democracy is radically indeterminate. The outcome can be manipulated. But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people |
| 23:07 |
decimation |
want.'" <http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html |
| 23:07 |
pete_dushenski |
with enough spanish not to starve |
| 23:07 |
pete_dushenski |
2.5langue |
| 23:08 |
decimation |
^ the 'result' is simply that outcomes are not process-neutral, so manipulation of 'voting rules' manipulates outcomes. thus, dictatorship by process, ie usg |
| 23:08 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: haven't seen le grand blond but will add it to the list. |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
manipulation of 'voting rules' manipulates outcomes << this is actually a very undergrad-level game-theoretical result (arrow's theorem & related) |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that's not even the biggest deal. arguably the biggest deal one outside could ever figure out. |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
but from the inside of a "democracy", i can tell you this : people employing a wot are so much more successful than people who do not |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
that in short order the wot is mandatory |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
then it pierces through |
| 23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
then representatives of the democracy are shot on xmas day and you can get a beating just by saying you think communism may be a thing. |
| 23:10 |
decimation |
certainly anything that destroys 'process' is a good thing |
| 23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the notion that "democracy", ie, an implementation of democracy without a martial population and strict limits on the franchise is even practicable... |
| 23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
seriously, very thin ice sheets to shade you from the sun. |
| 23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
a) they're transparent b) they melt. glhf. |
| 23:11 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: people employing a wot are so much more successful than people who do not << completely. see italians, somalis, jooz, whoever. the rest are but chumps. |
| 23:11 |
decimation |
well, munger comes to the same conclusion as moldbug, that is usg is highly resistant to voting - because to be otherwise would be terrifying |
| 23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski i meant inside the "democracy" |
| 23:12 |
decimation |
because as much as I bitch about it, 'rule by derpy bureaucrat' is 100x better than 'rule by crazy mob' |
| 23:12 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: uh me too |
| 23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski the expression in romanian was " a face rost" , which meant to procure. which meant, talk to someone who knows someone. |
| 23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
literally, "n-ai pe cineva... ?" ie , "don't you have someone..." |
| 23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google toma caragiu n-ai pe cineva |
| 23:13 |
gribble |
Toma Caragiu - "N-ai pe cineva?" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTILCHYAvfA>; Toma Caragiu : N-ai pe cineva ! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZ4EhwKIlA>; N-ai pe cineva ? - Toma Caragiu - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQTCyL10vqI> |
| 23:14 |
decimation |
https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/01/05/in-the-future-all-british-characters-will-be-played-by-idris-elba/ < "The basic situation seems to be that people (including me!) really really love Idris Elba & think he’s awesome, and also really really don’t want to appear racist. Ergo, Idris Elba should play every possible and conceivable British character who could in principle appear in a movie that you can name! " |
| 23:14 |
assbot |
In the future, all British characters will be played by Idris Elba | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9NSRn ) |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
("dear listeners, i tell you i have no one anywhere. not phone service, not gas distributor, not x y or z. i do not..." |
| 23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> who is missing from that list ? << Chomsky |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo mhm. |
| 23:14 |
* |
BingoBoingo was waiting for one of our Jews to name 'im |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
| 23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
anywya, ima put that online. |
| 23:16 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: lol you're obviously the jewiest guy in the audience! |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
he's a jew like i'm pregnant. |
| 23:17 |
* |
BingoBoingo never could never see getting worked up over specific kinds of crackers |
| 23:17 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: boy or girl ? |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://addxorrol.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-are-most-researchers-not-fan-of.html << more vintage lulz turned up in dig |
| 23:17 |
assbot |
ADD / XOR / ROL: Why are most researchers not a fan of standards on "responsible disclosure" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9Osia ) |
| 23:17 |
pete_dushenski |
and congrats! |
| 23:18 |
* |
asciilifeform sifting through ancient notes in thus far futile search for unrelated thing |
| 23:18 |
pete_dushenski |
i kid, i kid. |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski rabbit. |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
'I might be stepping on some people's toes, but to me it looked like a high-school class where the dimmest students drew up guidelines on how smart students "should" behave, and gave that to the teacher in order to earn brownie points - including clauses like 'not contradicting the teacher'.' |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
i am not a great fan of hard labour |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform word. |
| 23:18 |
assbot |
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| 23:20 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: in other words, the dim mob wants 'process' precisely to dictate redistribution to them |
| 23:22 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: importantly - in a way calculated to 'steal the sense of having been stolen from' |
| 23:22 |
asciilifeform |
aka 'how the world works' (TM) |
| 23:22 |
decimation |
right, the bums who vote to expel you after taking up residence on your property are morally superior, being bums |
| 23:24 |
asciilifeform |
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/1998-12/msg00083.html |
| 23:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/19WVCum ) |
| 23:25 |
asciilifeform |
or did we do this one already. |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
I didn't see it. So " --enable-static-nss" is useful for glibc |
| 23:26 |
asciilifeform |
'1) Contributors can add new services without adding them to the GNU C Library. |
| 23:26 |
asciilifeform |
2) The modules can be updated separately. |
| 23:26 |
asciilifeform |
3) The C library image is smaller.' |
| 23:26 |
asciilifeform |
( http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/NSS-Basics.html#NSS-Basics ) |
| 23:26 |
assbot |
The GNU C Library: NSS Basics ... ( http://bit.ly/19WVRpl ) |
| 23:26 |
asciilifeform |
wtf |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
yeah I don't get it |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
why does name resolution require binary plugins |
| 23:27 |
asciilifeform |
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3430400/linux-static-linking-is-dead << i'm not remotely the first to notice the gorilla shitting in the kitchen |
| 23:27 |
assbot |
gcc - Linux static linking is dead? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9Q1fS ) |
| 23:28 |
asciilifeform |
'I do not know where to find the historic references, but yes, static linking is dead on GNU systems. (I believe it died during the transition from libc4/libc5 to libc6/glibc 2.x.) The feature was deemed useless in light of: Security vulnerabilities. Application which was statically linked doesn't even support upgrade of libc....' |
| 23:28 |
asciilifeform |
there we have it. |
| 23:28 |
asciilifeform |
deliberate. |
| 23:29 |
decimation |
I guess it's 'nice' that gethostbyname() can be arbitrarily remapped if you just want your linux to run winblows |
| 23:32 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: to be fair, their reasoning kinda makes sense in the world where libc is providing the 'global namespace' |
| 23:34 |
asciilifeform |
the stab-in-the-back method of dropping support for staticlinking in no way can be justified. |
| 23:34 |
asciilifeform |
it is a show of bad faith. |
| 23:35 |
decimation |
what amuses me is that the excuse of 'it fixes bugs' only applies to code that isn't otherwise distributed by the 'distro' |
| 23:35 |
decimation |
in other words, it only applies to code that the user himself has compiled |
| 23:37 |
asciilifeform |
<decimation> I didn't see it. So " --enable-static-nss" is useful for glibc << as i understand, this results in random breakage (a binary which only runs with any degree of certainty on your machine) |
| 23:38 |
decimation |
yes, if you have some non-standard nsswitch.conf stuff it will break |
| 23:38 |
asciilifeform |
-somebody- saw it fit to break static linking on gnu platform in the traditional microshit way - suddenly, silently, and 'for your own good' (TM) |
| 23:38 |
decimation |
it only uses 'files' and 'dns' |
| 23:39 |
decimation |
all kinds of stuff provides nss plugins for name resolution |
| 23:39 |
decimation |
for instance, if you want to resolve the names of 'cifs' hosts running on microshit servers |
| 23:41 |
decimation |
at any rate, I think the responsible option here is to settle on uclibc with the desired features enabled |
| 23:45 |
assbot |
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| 23:49 |
asciilifeform |
i still want to know precisely what patch it was that made it into various non-gentoo things, that silenced the alarm bell and deceived folks into 'yes this is a static build' |
| 23:51 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: r. sheckley's 'hour of battle' and mircea_popescu's remake thereof, http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning |
| 23:51 |
assbot |
The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19WZpb6 ) |
| 23:54 |
assbot |
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| 23:55 |
assbot |
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| 23:59 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: part of the problem is that glibc has a 'colorful' history |