#trilema | 2015-04-03

ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. "

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basicaly... these are kids whoise main feature is having sat through a bunch of bad marketing seminars.

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and

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conversations between Quirrell/Malfoy/Potter seem to follow scripts of the form

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"Here is an awesome manipulation Im using against you"

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"My, that is an effective manipulation. You are a dangerous man"

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"I know, but I also know that you are only flattering me as an attempt to manipulate me."

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"My, what an effective use of Bayesian evidence that is!"

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etc.

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this is not entirely unlike the 'karate scenes' written by hacks

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quite.

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it's funny tho, quotations from bad fanfic, the works.

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http://fortune.com/2015/04/02/bitcoin-bowl/ << oh hey look 'daniel roberts' reads the logs

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Goodbye, Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl, we hardly knew ye - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fUj3 )

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^quite the qntra rip-off

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obviously without attribution, 'reddit said' instead

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folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times

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"hey look, a gummy worm!"

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"only half-digested!"

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lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00027 = 1.8806 BTC [-]

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well... the world is supremely fair, in that ignorance is its own reward.

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i'm finally working my way through buffett's annual letters to berkshire shareholders

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085094 << what's wrong with config file srsly.

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Logged on 02-04-2015 21:54:54; asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz

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!up PFate

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http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html << recommended reading for log readers out there

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Shareholder Letters ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9gJZg )

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hello and thank you

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yeah they're not bad.

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PFate who might you be ?

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erm, just a pleb atm

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mircea_popescu: what's wrong with config file srsly << nothing wrong with it. but 1) the hardcoded junk needs to go 2) node needs to learn own ip somehow

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want twitter handle?

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mircea_popescu: call it biznis 201

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@thefateofbtc

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PFate: soooo what's the fate ?

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PFate it's free form, i dun want anything specific.

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pete, right now its not good from watching the news

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085111 << sadly. the man very much went by this "engineering" approach.

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Logged on 02-04-2015 21:59:01; jurov: may have been satoshi himself

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lol

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PFate: that works because i'm pretty sure nowhere here watches the news

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https://1broker.com/ << this yours then ?

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1Broker - Bitcoin Forex and CFD Trading ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9heTa )

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1broker.co

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:)

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301 redirect ftw

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stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i u_int32_t bitcoin-0.3.21

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stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i uint32_t bitcoin-0.3.21

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stas@humanoid ~ $

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wow, that fortune.com article cites btcfeed as the source of the jan bitpay layoffs? fucking cunts

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nope, not satoshi.

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cazalla: ikr!

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ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act.

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PFate: well congrats on "We have proven ourselves: Since our launch in 2012, there was not a single security breach."

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? the .com is not mine

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heh

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cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue.

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lettuce see if forbes getting sued by bitcoin for ip infringement makes the news or not.

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won't make the docket much less news

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will be magicked away with magic rays.

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the docket it will make.

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PFate: ah nm then!

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asciilifeform no, because magic rays too expensive.

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'state privilege'

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mircea_popescu, author proudly displays his twitter url, but no email address, guess i'll have to dig

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to whoever else runs 1broker, wd.

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pete_dushenski you know, one day you'll run into one of these claiming 2006.

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and when that day comes, i'll learn not to trust anything random websites say

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'25 years of windows-2008 experience'

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theres probably someone on linkedin with crypto(btc/ltc) claimed experience dating 2008

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szabo ?

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not that one can't have 20 years of 'digital cash' experience, it's just that... so what ?

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poor substitute for being in wot.

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matonis was on the edges of the thing back then

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iirc we had a guy in here who claimed 546805806 years of precious metal guruism

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the claim got reduced and reduced until it went away

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didn't take much pressure, either.

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546805806 years of << l0l! he had an uninitialized register or what.

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incremented until overflowed?

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085173 << yes.

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Logged on 02-04-2015 22:51:59; asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text

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asciilifeform i just replaced one random value with another. my register's wider than his.

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PFate: anyhoo so what brings you by this fine evening ?

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stalking

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since the bryce interview, back traced to this chan

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the tits are that way --->

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oh, sweet

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but thats the edge of my desk

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who the fuck stalks dudes

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shitty comcast movies are on the other screen

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asciilifeform will probably end up having to seppuku one day because did not specify 'do not use in reactors to power interstellar multigenerational flights' in some patch in '14

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i stalk persons of interest in my hobbies to see whats up

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this year and last, crypto

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085180 << yeah qntra ppl. do we even care to get these ?

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Logged on 02-04-2015 22:57:01; nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested

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asciilifeform no, i'll just end up stuck explaining why you shouldn't to angry mobs.

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BingoBoingo dude dat qntra. 0.00027399 vs 0.00028991 eh!

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also 104mn s.mpoe shares changed hands this month.

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asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing

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methinks institutionals got told a few words ?

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i mean srsly, wut

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asciilifeform oothecae walls structure.

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i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for 'qntra ppl' but as cool as cards with just email and gpg would be, i'm not sure i'd have much use for them in the space of meat

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use cockroach parts! they're great for the environment and weigh less!

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l0l

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pete_dushenski original deal was for a dozen, you;'d prolly make it

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the funny thing is that i've owned little laser printers since '90s, always almost precisely the same size, breadbox

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and they get lighter, lighter,....

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085215 o.O

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Logged on 03-04-2015 00:51:07; cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu

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i bet this one'd auger in if i sat on it.

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nay, stepped in it.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085216 google produces http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/

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Logged on 03-04-2015 00:55:59; BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche

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These fucktards have to be immortalised, they're worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChL53G )

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apparently the neobee "brick and mortar" 17 yo financiers.

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also, i am not a cryptographer.

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<pete_dushenski> i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for << wai wat was this

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auger?

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auger.

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that slang for collapse?

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never heard it used outside building/drilling

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mircea_popescu: aite well, if they're free to the magick dozen, i'd take mebbe 50 cards ?

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asciilifeform: qntra writing

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iirc it was 250 ?

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look in teh log

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085221 dude srsly with this still ?!

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Logged on 03-04-2015 00:58:09; nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”

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i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many

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BingoBoingo "Preet Bharara's minions can be seen pleading to Judge Forrest that the terminally corrupted Baltimore investigation so how touches their investigation in no way."

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so how wut.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085246 << actually if someone was to pop in here and try to mine some lulz, they'd prolly pretend to be exactly someone like that, ie, marginal twitterhead or w/e. who else would they pretend to be.

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Logged on 03-04-2015 01:29:27; Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me

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mircea_popescu: fxd

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085257 << o.O wasn't thestringpuller rapping this like yest ?

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Logged on 03-04-2015 01:31:12; cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him

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http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/#comment-113407 so he was

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Ok, ok, you had me :D pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChMUgW )

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mircea_popescu, lol yeah he was in the trilema comments, it's what sprung to mind at the time

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meanwhile "wtf is cogburn" "it's a reference to a film you stopped because wtf is this stupid shit."

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seriously, people actually watched that atrocity ?

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twelve year old independent wild west girlie ?

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shit that only happened on planet "i'm a fat fuckhead and i will daydream an alt-history in which women actually did shit" ?

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Eh, she ends up an amputee, there's gotta be a niche for that

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for the record : no child at that time would have fucking dared to open her stupid mouth for fear of a beating.

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mircea_popescu: will daydream an alt-history << countess ada l. porn ?

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which fear was pretty fucking actual.

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asciilifeform there's this thing which seriously proposes that a texas ranger who took the trouble to hunt some outlaw all the way into wherever the fuck is even talking to some snotty brat.

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boggles the mind.

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but not so far off hariezer fanfic.

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in porn, can cavort with platonic polyhedra if it tickles you. doesn't have to make sense in life...

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it was a holywood "socialist realist" piece tho

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l0l!

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well what are they ?

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money laundromats ?

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all the unwatchable crud starting with the alt-gays (brokeback mountain) all through imaginary women that never happened, brave black slaves, what have you

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it's socialist realism i tell you.

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Чапаев!

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im looking forward to a remake of spartacus but set in south carolina

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with an imaginary black leader dude that caused a countrywide revolt.

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because this happened.

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http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/45435

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... ( http://bit.ly/1ChPa7O )

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from other side of ocean.

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asciilifeform nah, you're thinking the almost able to stand post-20s.

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im thinking the 70s.

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or more egregiously,

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_mjKQkYctg

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МУЛЬТФИЛЬМ Орлёнок - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChQbwA )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6831 @ 0.00027024 = 1.846 BTC [+]

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^ mega-genre-emblematic

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asciilifeform once was mindfucked when read 'livejournal' of gurl who confessed to having wanked to this ^

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'why do you want to go to the revolution, kid?' 'to save the boy. the hero, about whom the song was.' 'will you fear a bullet?' 'no' 'will you fall for tricks?' 'no!' 'come on in'

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!up evian11_____

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asciilifeform honestly my first idea of socialist realism is very bad metal basreliefs.

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cinema a distant 3rd

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bad metal - mandatory

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ok this cartoon is on point.

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absolutely mandatory for genre students

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quite exactly the spirit.

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directly visible in the say "abstraction" of movements.

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asciilifeform fesses up that he loved it to death as a boy

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very unabashed red/black coloring etc

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it is MADE to be loved to death by simpletons.

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the problem is some never outgrow it.

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o fuck, frame in frame. defo.

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frame ?

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yes. pioneer kid at museum

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ah well yes.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31866 @ 0.00027 = 8.6038 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00027024 = 5.9047 BTC [+]

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085304 << this speaks to neither wot nor irl trust.

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Logged on 03-04-2015 01:39:28; Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.

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!up odyjm

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085325 << well then you have no business here.

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Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"

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saves me a bunch of reading at any rate.

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i dont think that was even a living thing

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but a script.

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it elizad when i spoke to it.

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sadly this is no longer much of a criteria.

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try a barrista sometime and see.

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a wut

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Thing apparently was living, but not very. Shell that seems most motivated to please whatever is on the other side of the screen whether it be Surf or what it imagines #b-a to be

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bartender?

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chick that pours coffee.

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Ah

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no, not bartender. coffeeshoptender.

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its like a spanish waiter

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lol

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"Pretentious sounding word used by dejected art history and drama majors that describes their employment in order to make themselves feel better about serving coffee."

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ud has it.

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l0l

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they could call themselves gheishas for the same money.

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asciilifeform never heard of the fabled hipster barista

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over here the coffee is served 100% by uni students

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who else.

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anyway, entire class of could-have-been bright young things that sound like eliza.

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yes dude. those.

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my local coffee serving girl is rather bright

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though she is an owner

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55650 @ 0.00027 = 15.0255 BTC [-]

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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 94,079.

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'Lets use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11)

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wtf?!

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ibm, the shrivelled husk?

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was that letter sent from paralleluniverse or wut

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buffett pre 2000 is very different beast from buffett post 2001

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much like zimmerman or any other number of people.

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getting headcrabbed will do that.

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buffett in

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1991 was on his game

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then, bought hh brown, today... car dealerships

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;;seen brendafdez

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brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22910 @ 0.00027 = 6.1857 BTC [-]

~ 24 minutes ~

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!t m s.qntr

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[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)

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!t m s.mpoe

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[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025516 / 0.0002719 (10198588 shares, 2,602.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.0002599 / 0.00028207 (44106582 shares, 11,463.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028916 / 0.0004493 (103963514 shares, 30,062.38 BTC)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.0002719 = 1.9327 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35873 @ 0.0002713 = 9.7323 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00027218 = 1.5242 BTC [+]

~ 22 minutes ~

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533582 << curious to know if this ever happened

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Logged on 26-02-2014 21:59:17; mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..

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hey robert viragh fuck off quit emailing me.

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lmao

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ben_vulpes it never made any money. at all.

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mircea_popescu: tee hee i know

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aok

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more ribbing nubbins`, really

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nubbins ?! how's he involved

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58524 @ 0.00027215 = 15.9273 BTC [-] {2}

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read the linked thread!

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the part about adding things to his highlights ? or the part about shewpherd pie ?

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the whole log section is hilarious - some twenty lines in each direction

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nubbins` going on about hif, steak, puss...

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old logs are a trip, i guess.

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kinda why we even have them.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085482 << hear hear

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Logged on 03-04-2015 02:19:43; asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.

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i suppose "innovation" in the superficial sense in current usage has come to this, that it's barely a proxy for shock value. they ran out of "innovative" alts and now are hoping for interest out of the patently ridiculous.

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"o ya ? well my alt is about dead weasels!"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085490 << one of the things i admire about you, asciilifeform, is your charming ability to paint just the most desolate picture of anyone's future for them.

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Logged on 03-04-2015 02:21:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business

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"that doesn't make any sense" "But it's got you talking about it!" "only briefly" "yeah well that's a lot more than the other 93875937394 guys manage"

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ben_vulpes imagine what it's like to be his girlfriend.

02:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00027 = 11.016 BTC [-]

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mircea_popescu: i like to complain as much as the next jew, but these russians!

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why do you think they kept the jews beyond the pale.

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they're so down they make *you* want to kill yourself!

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and notice he's not even really russian. imagine if he stayed in odessa.

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ya christ

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which EVEN THEN wouldn't have been REALLY russian.

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two degrees of soparation here.

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well, eu that part of the world more than us.

02:51

hm what part of russia is he from?

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well, "russia"

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the ukraine :D

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hurr durr ustard dun no geograpfiez

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you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?"

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:(

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i know nothinggggg

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yeah, how do you even jack off

02:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00027218 = 2.3271 BTC [+]

02:53

i bet you need a woman even for that.

02:53

death by embarrass

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lol

02:54

hm, reading back... you probably didn't even pick the pale reference didja.

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i thought that was a british/irish thing.

02:55

;;google pale of settlement

02:55

Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement>; The Pale of Settlement | Jewish Virtual Library: <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/pale.html>; YIVO | Pale of Settlement: <http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Pale_of_Settlement>

02:55

shit jesus

02:55

ah this has been top log.

02:55

i am actually a horrible jew

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all i care about is rockets

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lol

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<mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" << bad example. canada is just unannexed right now.

02:57

so it's a good example.

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ben_vulpes ponders his mental calendar

~ 18 minutes ~

03:19

ben_vulpes: have you never seen fiddler on the roof ? movie or play ?

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it's the token charicature of 'the pale'

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aaaand just-as-eyes-close-scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/03/aligning-incentives/

03:19

Aligning incentives. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8veMj )

03:19

bon soir a tous!

03:28

the movie's actually pretty good.

03:28

"if wealth is a curse... well then may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!"

03:39

"Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously."

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there asciilifeform, i found you in the rishonim discussion of buffet's plight in the kotzker rebbe.

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hmm, lemme restate.

03:41

there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight.

03:41

dat semitic word order ffs.

~ 16 minutes ~

03:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00027 = 12.2985 BTC [-]

03:58

cooperate, civility determined unnecessary https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/04/03/essay-thoughts-community-college-curmudgeons-and-how-engage-them

03:58

Essay on the thoughts of community college curmudgeons and how to engage them @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYid6k )

04:00

"Maybe if theyd listen to us curmudgeons once in a while, rather than trying to shut us up, community colleges wouldnt be in the shape many of us are today: taking unconscionable amounts of students loan eligibility and seeing them leave when it runs out, as illiterate/innumerate as they were when they got here. No one wants us to talk about that, though."

04:02

sure. and maybe if the people trying to bail out the titanic were faster with it...

04:03

I like how the author misses the obvious conclusion, the curmudgeons were right the whole time

04:04

http://41.media.tumblr.com/66d5c4c3c7fb72b8c71d7e55577bd005/tumblr_mu7rn8FqsG1scdinwo1_500.jpg

04:04

... ( http://bit.ly/1apWgSk )

04:04

dat spelling.

04:06

scoopbot

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-march-2015-statement/

04:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00027 = 3.78 BTC [-]

04:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00027062 = 9.2146 BTC [+]

04:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00027062 = 4.79 BTC [+]

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04:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00027 = 14.4855 BTC [-]

04:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82600 @ 0.00027204 = 22.4705 BTC [+] {2}

04:54

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11513341/Greece-draws-up-drachma-plans-prepares-to-miss-IMF-payment.html

04:54

Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )

04:54

it begins

04:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27201 @ 0.00027225 = 7.4055 BTC [+] {2}

05:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027244 = 6.2934 BTC [+] {2}

05:12

wtf at that tumblr

05:14

prob nigs with inferiority complex over da white man making that shit

05:14

nah, gotta be a white boy

05:14

lol.

05:16

mats, btw the only greek articles talking about drachma are referencing the Telegraph

05:17

interesting

05:18

(as in, check out what the brits are writing now)

05:21

god damn easter, no bottleshops open and i require more vespene gas

05:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8351 @ 0.00027266 = 2.277 BTC [+] {2}

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05:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00027 = 4.2795 BTC [-]

05:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00027268 = 7.5532 BTC [+]

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06:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00027 = 7.5195 BTC [-]

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06:41

[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 28000 @ 0.00037719 = 10.5613 BTC [+]

06:43

thestringpuller

!t m s.mpoe

06:43

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025767 / 0.00027268 (8072934 shares, 2,080.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026037 / 0.00028207 (41640038 shares, 10,842.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028858 / 0.0004493 (103878194 shares, 29,977.37 BTC)

06:43

thestringpuller

!t m s.qntr

06:43

[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (38885 shares, 14.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037706 / 0.00037719 (38985 shares, 14.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031619 / 0.00037719 (68462 shares, 21.65 BTC)

06:43

thestringpuller

^- close the bet

06:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00027 = 11.0295 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00027272 = 8.0316 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5674 @ 0.000273 = 1.549 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19047 @ 0.00027313 = 5.2023 BTC [+] {2}

07:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00027339 = 1.4039 BTC [+] {2}

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07:21

<Cogburn> everyone is tired of getting fucked

07:21

<asciilifeform> pass the lsd plz.

07:21

did i miss a memo or somethin? wild party guise

07:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00027028 = 8.5138 BTC [-] {2}

07:29

<mircea_popescu> so go ahead, sql inject it. <<< actually i just injected an upgrade to my avatar. from this: http://i.imgur.com/IrcdfQJ.png to this: http://i.imgur.com/36Olfei.png

07:29

... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHp )

07:29

... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHr )

07:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00027 = 19.116 BTC [-]

07:42

<asciilifeform> or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room <<< uh, srs??

07:46

*:asciilifeform has a list. <<< seems we've all got different lists of people who will be put against walls for various reasons

07:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00027367 = 5.8839 BTC [+] {2}

07:47

mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"

07:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7670 @ 0.0002738 = 2.1 BTC [+]

07:55

<asciilifeform> folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times <<< "This latest tome puts X in the awkward position of having written more books than they've read"

07:57

<asciilifeform> node needs to learn own ip somehow <<< can't felch it from the OS at runtime?

08:00

<mircea_popescu> ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act. <<< i'm more of a thief in the night when it comes to lels.

08:02

asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing <<< scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc ;p

08:03

Does the scanner not roast the bed with UV?

08:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00027049 = 6.4106 BTC [-]

08:05

i kid. :D

08:05

and i'd guess probably not, because why would it produce uv?

08:05

seems a waste to emit anything but the visual spectrum

08:05

but i talk from a place without knowledge here.

08:06

also, plastic scratches

08:06

<pete_dushenski> i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many <<< my first job as a "web dev", they gave me 1000 business cards. for some reason.

08:07

i gave one to my folks and then gave away the rest in chunks of 100 to friends who roll their own, for use as filter

08:07

imagine giving a thousand business cards to someone who /does not interact with clients/

08:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00027029 = 3.4597 BTC [-] {2}

08:14

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533600 <<< ultra-lel

08:14

Logged on 26-02-2014 22:16:56; nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made

08:14

how do i get away with this shit

08:14

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533601

08:14

Logged on 26-02-2014 22:17:08; nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said

08:16

<mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" <<< twodog, iirc, floated the idea of joining usa after the british gave up on us

08:16

closest we got was hosting a bunch of US mil bases

08:19

<ben_vulpes> bad example. canada is just unannexed right now. <<< i lel'd heartily, i must say

08:21

as if the future path of north america is single-country

08:23

<mircea_popescu> dat spelling. <<< i'm so broud of you

08:23

incidentally, "broud" reminds me of this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clan_of_the_Cave_Bear_%28film%29

08:23

The Clan of the Cave Bear (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8XnTB )

08:23

broud was DTF at all times

08:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0002738 = 4.285 BTC [+]

08:28

<nubbins`> as if the future path of north america is single-country << Sure it is, Go Go Los Zetas

08:28

Or Sinaloa, or whoever

08:30

zetas vs zapatistas

08:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.0002738 = 9.4598 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14559 @ 0.00027 = 3.9309 BTC [-]

08:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26486 @ 0.00027 = 7.1512 BTC [-]

08:57

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 93,697.

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09:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00027 = 7.3305 BTC [-]

09:36

"I'm a musician that supports Bitcoin! Check out my weird shitty demos!"

09:36

...no?

09:36

my sides

09:36

youth today, i tell ya.

09:36

they realy go overboard with the self-deprecation

09:36

*really

09:36

dat defense against future criticisms

09:37

guy obv thinks it's cool otherwise he wouldn't share it

09:37

but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it

09:37

so he hedges

09:37

and warns you that it sucks while he shows it off

09:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00027384 = 6.1614 BTC [+]

09:48

jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.

09:48

not that he wouldn't, mind you.

09:58

height=310563 vs height=219979

09:59

geez, my client is up to Nov 2014 and it says it is at 70% complete. Is 30% of the blockchain volume really since November?:

10:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7312 @ 0.00027384 = 2.0023 BTC [+]

10:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00027371 = 2.0528 BTC [-]

10:06

Chillum yes.

10:06

wow that is some increase in volume

10:06

people, the sort who imagine themselves "part of the community" for no reason, not being able to pass even the minimal qual of running a node, have nfi just how heavy 1mb blocks are

10:06

note that they're almost never full, either.

10:09

the percent of people who run a rull node will continue to drop

10:09

s/rull/run/

10:09

^

10:11

the % yes.

10:11

necessarily, as something becomes "popular" the percentage of imbeciles increases.

10:11

just look at "computer programming"

10:11

any system will have to live with imbeciles

10:11

on Earth at least

10:12

live with, sure.

10:12

make it possible for imbeciles to live with it, not really.

10:13

so apparently this chick wanted to open a coinbase account. they told her to make a blog, as part of their newer, friendlier KYC regulations. so she did. here it is : http://mandyswanson.tumblr.com/

10:13

Mandy-Claire Swanson ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJBVj )

10:13

tru story.

10:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17813 @ 0.00027384 = 4.8779 BTC [+]

10:13

sooo know your customers is now extended to learning about their hobbies and personality?

10:14

what does a blog accomplish?

10:14

anyone can make a fake one

10:14

I prefer KFC to KYC

10:14

i don't think anyone could have made a fake this one.

10:15

I have only met a few of my customers, I do NOT want to know them

10:15

tough.

10:15

the general population has a strong tendency for crazies

10:16

it's the law Chillum !

10:16

in Canada you don't need to ip a tx is under $3k a day and under $10K in a year

10:16

s/ip/id/

10:17

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086243 << epic. i wish to see how this drachma goes.

10:17

Logged on 03-04-2015 08:54:21; assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )

10:17

maybe next they can leech some money off the russians for a while, making promises ?

10:17

Chillum what do you mean "in canada"

10:18

Greece, those guys were buying gold coins from me more than the whole rest of the world combined during their bailout

10:18

It is a big country that I live in

10:18

us first best only country.

10:19

us?

10:19

a

10:19

canada isn't really a country so much as it is a collection of geographically and culturally disparate regions

10:20

take chillum, myself, and a quebecois

10:20

probably our only common threads are that we like poutine and smoke trees

10:20

poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is

10:20

perhaps they just make it bad around here, but the french guys love it

10:21

most poutine around here is totally bastardized

10:21

stretch mozza instead of curds

10:21

!up gabridome

10:21

with real curds and a thick gravy on some home fries, it's divine

10:21

the fries always are soggy, I like crispy fries

10:22

see? nothing in common

10:22

totally culturally disparate

10:22

Vancouver Island is a culture of its own

10:22

so is newfoundland island

10:22

we are a mosaic, not a melting pot. We want disparite cultures

10:23

for those of you who do not grasp the size of canada, europe is closer to me than vancouver is

10:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00027387 = 2.7798 BTC [+] {2}

10:23

and the 15% of it to the south west has nice weather for several months a year

10:23

in fact, romania is closer to me than vancouver

10:24

I always love it when the weather channel is showing ice storms out east and that we have daffodils blooming on the Island

10:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77269 @ 0.00027433 = 21.1972 BTC [+] {3}

10:24

heh

10:24

it was 12C here three days ago

10:24

yesterday: snow

10:24

of course every winter all the homeless from out east come to victoria/vancover to live

10:25

"Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF 498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14"

10:25

herp.

10:25

they have plenty of gold

10:25

Chillum and every summer they come back to st john's :D

10:25

ah, the seasonal homeless

10:25

Chillum greece is the main example of a certain way to run a country, which is : make promises to whatever power, then not keep the promises see what it does.

10:25

italy was run this way pretty much 500ad - 2015 ad.

10:25

yup. They are handling the global currency collapse in a very tactical manner

10:26

ocasionally the hre would come over, the local whores (ie, married women) fucked the soldiers raw.

10:26

sign a lease, move out a month early and leave 35 bags worth of trash behind

10:26

we don't give them places to live

10:26

not even. sign the lease, expect leasor to buy you drinks at the bar, sublet the place to a bunch of other dudes, never pay a dime in rent

10:26

finding a place to live around here is hard even for a local

10:26

THEN leave, two months late and leave dead hookers in the matresses.

10:27

we have almost no vacancies here

10:27

vacancy was below 1% here for a while

10:27

market's cooling off now

10:27

If you want a place you basically have to wait for the university to let out, so once a year

10:28

or around the new year when all the first-year students flunk out

10:28

but who wants to move in winter?

10:28

We may have to go into a silent arrears process" << check it out, they have a word for it and everything!

10:28

silent arrears

10:28

i like that

10:28

nonono

10:28

"we won't tell anyone when the money is gone"

10:28

is that like a silent fart?

10:28

you don't understand. A silent arrears PROCESS.

10:28

o o o!

10:28

my focus was diverted

10:29

you see ? a! like, there are others, this is just one of a class!

10:29

and it's a process!

10:29

dat process

10:29

not a state or anything, phenomena baby.

10:29

i bet they have a "roadmap"

10:29

o, obviously.

10:29

1) use all moniez

10:29

i dunno who the overgrown infants think they're fooling,

10:29

but it must be someone.

10:29

2) ???

10:29

3) profit!

10:30

anyway, i kinda like the way this works.

10:30

basically, in the 70s stupid dudes in government decided to force men to pay for stupid women in the house.

10:30

the process took a few decades to come to roost, but now stupid countries are behaving comensurate with that.

10:31

so... i suppose the us, germany and whoever else has money must pay for the house where greece fucks random dudes and "raises the children"

10:31

it's teh law!

10:31

and, obviously, the "welfare of the children" is the chief concern.

10:31

so, payup.

10:31

bbl

10:36

asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted to the britton woods system ? when's the last time a government said fu, we're not going to do what you want us to do so we fail electorally ?

10:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00027454 = 2.0316 BTC [+]

10:38

longing for the days of feudalism?

10:39

back then if you could not manage a land it was given to someone else

10:39

i don't think feudalism is avoidable since internet.

10:40

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086281 << srs, hang people for that ? it's just fucking design.

10:40

Logged on 03-04-2015 11:47:21; nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"

10:40

next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.

↖ ↖

10:40

when more complex forms of government fail it always reverts to a simpler form

10:40

it seems current government and monetary policies seek to be intentionally complex to avoid understanding of it

10:40

Chillum a) feudalism is the most complex form to date b) democracy hasn't failed, it succeeded. like communism. turns out nobody can stand its final form.

10:41

mebbe see http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/

10:41

Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQRGcB )

10:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00027454 = 5.4359 BTC [+]

11:01

!up cnerd

11:01

shoot.

11:01

yea, ok, awesome

11:02

I see that you have encountered these dudes DD4BC some time ago

11:02

!s dd4bc

11:02

1 results for 'dd4bc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dd4bc

11:03

weirdly this rings no bells.

11:03

let me remind you :)

11:03

http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/

11:03

The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d'armes of the retarded generation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW6bEI )

11:03

o wait, with the ddos. ok ok.

11:04

yea, same dude(s). So, what happened, did they follow up with a more serious attack afterwards?

11:04

not that i'm specifically aware. probably, at least tried.

11:05

so, nothing serious, i guess? They gave up pretty fast, didnt they?

11:06

well, it's not so cut and dried. the thing is inequality online is readily misrepresented because things appear for no good reason as very equalitarian. take the much related fetlife debacle (here : https://www.google.com/search?q=trilema+fetlife+butthurt )

11:06

trilema fetlife butthurt - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW76oT )

11:07

so they sent a bs complaint, i replied, they sent a dmca, i counternotified, they went away beaten.

11:07

would they have done the same if i didn't have a lawyer ready to sue ? no. had the dc been more scared of me than of them if i hadn't etc ? no.

11:07

so, it can be very serious or not serious at all depending on who you are.

11:07

do you own your servers which you colocate ? do you rent time on a shared server ? these things matter.

11:08

I pretty much understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time, man, you were incredibly helpful

11:08

they happen to matter a whole of a heck more than whether you're either right or reasonable, as it happens.

11:08

np.

11:09

;;later tell nubbins` can't felch it from the OS at runtime? << os does not know your external ip, if you are behind a nat. as, e.g., a pogo is overwhelmingly likely to be.

11:09

The operation succeeded.

11:10

you know incidentally this fucking sucks.

11:10

artifexd baby we need that thing so we can use it as a model to make a new dhcp too!

11:10

<mircea_popescu> there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. << anybody have a talmud handy ?

11:11

scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc << nah it was glass. but the whole rest of the thing appear to be plastic, except for a few pins and motor casings.

11:12

okok. rishonim as opposed to achronim, modern commentary as opposed to ancient. and the kotzker guy is just some famous rabbi.

11:12

<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted << greece et al are resource-burners. like wherever it was that '30s u.s. farmers burned wheat and poured out milk into latrines. the paper serfdom that results from the eventual 're-creditation' of the delinquent debtors

11:12

is just a bonus.

11:13

artifexd

A dhcp?

11:13

yes.

11:13

universal ip, as a sha512 hash. no more of this "os doesn't know its ip" bs.

11:14

ipv6-style ?

11:14

who the fuck thought that's even a workable scheme...

11:14

which?

11:14

asciilifeform no. ipv6 is fatally flawed in that it has no wot.

11:14

well sure

11:14

the ipv4.

11:14

ipv4 works other than the no-wot aspect

11:14

lmao

11:15

'this cow is great except that it was bombed at guernica and doesn't look much like a cow any more'

11:15

you mean ipv4 works other than the "it doesn't allow every idiot online" aspect. gotta keep it under 10 mn or so.

11:15

aha.

11:16

asciilifeform re greece, i see that they're resource burners. that's not the q.

11:16

the q is, they just made a claim to sovereignity.

11:16

they can make a claim to being martians with telepathic powers. my answer is answer to why no one comes in with bulldozer and whore cages

11:17

i don't see how it answers that ?

11:17

they do exactly what is expected of'em.

11:17

there is after all a difference between farmer burning his own crop and guy going and burning other people's things.

11:18

sorta like u.s. credit card chumps

11:18

well yes but this can be said universally of anyone.

11:18

when other people helpfully bring you their things to burn

11:18

seems to me a misrepresentation of the situation.

11:18

last i checked, greek panzers weren't overrunning germany and collecting all that isn't screwed down

11:18

the imf didn't give them money so as not to get it back.

11:19

so they're fraudsters rather than thieves ?

11:19

aha

11:19

undisputed, but what does it help.

11:19

but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al

11:19

all conmen ever claim to live at the pleasure of the king, of course.

11:19

but... they do not in fact.

11:20

the other function of feeding the greeks is to prevent them from coming up for islamic fire sale like they did last time.

11:20

how come nobody is lending the ukraine 100 bn then ?

11:20

they could waste it better than the greeks their 20.

11:20

they did, and did!

11:20

nah, they got some pittance, bn and half.

11:20

not quite 100

11:20

aha

11:21

why does one u.s. idiot get a 50K 'platinum' while another a 0.5K 'turd' ?

11:21

same idea

11:21

anyway, i think putin is having string orgasms. imagine, greece in a compact with russia! sub bases ALL THROUGH THE ISLANDS.

11:21

ru navy staff is probably all drunk today

11:22

worst mission in the history of armed forces. "here are some fjords. find the subs. ALL OF THEM."

11:22

they are probably waiting until the US bases run out of money

11:23

unless they can find a way to run them in a vms or something.

11:24

from a greek perspective, switching bases every 10 years would be the best outcome, they can hire poor polacks to manage for the construction work.

11:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00027371 = 3.3529 BTC [-]

11:27

ah they are gonna pay after all http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-eurozone-greece-payment-idUSKBN0MU0M620150403

11:27

Greece says ready to make IMF payment on April 9| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLihMi )

11:27

is that actual or reuters confabulating

11:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00027046 = 14.2262 BTC [-] {2}

11:29

"Mr. Theocharakis never characterized the technical teams of the institutions with the phrase attributed to him," the ministry said in a statement. "On the contrary ... he referred to them as saying they include 'top-notch people with impressive skills.'"

11:29

alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"

11:29

heh

11:35

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/dsm/4958797469.html

11:35

best of craigslist: Disk Ripper for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWeWi0 )

11:36

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150402/15274630528/fbi-uncovers-another-its-own-plots-senator-feinstein-responds-saying-we-should-censor-internet.shtml << have to censor the internet because of the Anarchist's Cookbook... what year is it?!?!

11:36

FBI Uncovers Another Of Its Own Plots, Senator Feinstein Responds By Saying We Should Censor The Internet | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWfdSn )

11:37

Senators are funny

11:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00027458 = 9.171 BTC [+] {2}

11:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00027 = 7.371 BTC [-]

11:45

"we" ? what fucking we.

11:45

there's no we. scammers always start with this "we" business.

11:49

we are not amused

11:57

the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally.

11:57

(though i cannot say whether the most supremely ludicrous recipes, like the 'banana dope', date to the original authorship or not)

12:00

http://news.yahoo.com/u-arrests-two-women-over-alleged-bomb-plot-155326569.html ^ the l0l from trinque's link

12:00

Two New York City women accused of planning 'terrorist attack' - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLqi3Y )

12:00

so they're doing gurlz now.

12:00

that, i suppose, is new.

12:01

soon you will have to take your bra off in airports

12:01

*

Chillum needs the support!

12:02

the day of the first uterus bomb approaches.

12:02

asciilifeform: I knew a kid in junior high who was convinced the banana peel thing was real

12:02

fuckin moron he was

12:02

trinque: he tested ?

12:02

I think he tried to rot some banana peels, yeah

12:02

or whatever the procedure was

12:02

I imagine smoking most plant matter will do _something_

12:02

if only make you dizzy

12:03

probably inhaling sand would make you a bit dizzy

12:03

'The women, former roommates in the city borough of Queens, had researched how to build an explosive device and had read textbooks on electricity and watched online videos about soldering, it said.'

12:03

soldering!

12:03

burn the witches.

12:04

'When they were arrested, agents found bomb-building materials including propane gas tanks, soldering tools, pipes, a pressure cooker and fertilizer, authorities said.'

12:04

^ how many folks on my street qualify to join these gurlz in the jail.

12:05

sounds like an average suburban shed

12:06

reading textbooks!

12:06

watched online videos about soldering !

12:06

i think all this uint stuff is just a symptom of our boost installs being totally hosed

12:06

nubbins`: uses same boost as my original portatronic

12:06

nubbins`: which worked flawlessly on my boxes

12:06

sure, i mean i don't think it's putting itself together properly

12:06

check this out

12:07

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3x19hUaP

12:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iCPs )

12:07

that was my latest, right? after i applied the kill int and dns snip patches

12:07

but notice how each error lists /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/cstdint.hpp:263

12:07

nubbins`: this is a -result- of my int patch

12:07

o

12:07

it doesn't really fix things

12:08

anyway, i actually went into cstdint.hpp and replaced a few uint32_t instances with boost::uint32_t

12:08

and now when i run ./auto.sh, i get:

12:08

because what ends up happening is that the uints end up being undefined in at least one place -without- the patch, but -defined more than once- if -with-

12:08

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P58bTpz3

12:08

... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iS12 )

12:10

i'm admittedly out of my league here but that's complete vomit from 9 different orifices

12:15

ah fuck

12:15

no, that's not the right way to do it at all

12:15

hold on now

12:17

lmao electricity and soldering.

12:17

fascinating just how ignorant muricans are these days.

12:18

because the average ____ knows how to solder?

12:18

i would expect ?

12:18

the average romanian knows how to solder.

12:18

what's to know, even. and don't give me the ny longshoreman's union line.

12:19

not much to know, but it's not genetic.

12:19

gotta learn sometime

12:20

mircea_popescu: average ro gurl knows ?

12:20

yeah, generally when dad's tinkering in garage.

12:20

no, average gurl can make goulash.

12:20

"The complaint said Siddiqui had been in contact with al Qaeda members and Velentzas was Facebook friends with Tairod Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran charged with attempting to aid Islamic State, a militant group that holds territory in Iraq and Syria. Pugh, 47, of Neptune, New Jersey, pleaded not guilty last month."

12:21

they pleaded!!!!

12:21

ah the adorbs imbecility of the english speaker.

12:21

inb4 pleaderated.

12:21

pleadarasty

12:21

mircea_popescu: and i don't think they even have peine forte et dure any more, in the english lands.

12:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29229 @ 0.00027 = 7.8918 BTC [-]

12:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25225 @ 0.00027 = 6.8108 BTC [-]

12:28

total noob q here, why does boost redefine all these stdint types anyway

12:36

nubbins`: because it was written by pig-men

12:36

lel.

12:37

y'know debian etc are probably just assuming one definition or the other

12:37

rather than halting at the ambiguity

12:37

if you wanna play whack-a-mole, here's a start: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cnbdqf0Y

12:37

... ( http://bit.ly/1GScSOP )

12:37

when presented with an ambiguous choice, always best to choose arbitrarily

12:37

lol

12:38

the correct way would i guess be to rip the boost namespace out of there

12:38

and explicitly declare it when needed

12:38

but i can imagine this'd be a bit of a task

12:39

unless there's a pressing need to use non-boost types, it's prob fine to just explicitly use the boost ones. not like the libs aren't being included anyway

12:42

nubbins`: except then the non-boost libs cough and die

12:42

what must be discovered is - why this happens during this static build

12:42

and not otherwise.

12:43

my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.

12:43

(see earlier thread.)

12:43

incidentally, there ARE other declarations of uint32_t in those files

12:43

but they presumably agree with one another

12:43

they all appear to have the boost:: prefix except for the couple of instances in above patch

12:44

(and with libs)

12:44

why these random couple of instances don't have boost:: is beyond me

12:44

that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there

12:44

dies before they get evaluated.

12:44

this is another aspect of 'c/cpp ecosystem' that rattles nerves

12:44

seems weird you'd fall back to the non-boost version for these couple of random instances.

12:44

you -don't actually ever know- if the barf you now have is the -total- barf.

12:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00027479 = 4.3966 BTC [+] {2}

12:48

there could be some c++ namespace hackery

12:48

oh there's that.

12:48

jurov: aha yes there is, look.

12:48

so that the boost:: prefix is needed depending on what is #included

12:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38506 @ 0.00027 = 10.3966 BTC [-]

13:03

trinque: that indictment is pure gold

13:03

BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ?

13:04

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086332 you mean such decrees as this? http://valdaiclub.com/russia_in_foreign_media/56980.html

13:04

Logged on 03-04-2015 13:48:47; mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.

13:04

Putin decree targets elite’s foreign assets ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCcT6s )

13:05

jurov: if you were king you would let sc4mz0rz squirrel away the nation's wealth in american banks ?

13:05

"into the countrys top-level bureaucrats and state employees "

13:05

see the difference ?

13:06

confiscating the bureaucracy's "money" is not even on the table.

13:06

anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.

13:07

lol, you have never interacted with the govt?

13:07

nope.

13:07

or anyone in the US had?

13:07

that's their problem.

13:08

but no, i never cashed a govt paycheck.

13:08

which is why i don't have to report my fortune etc.

13:08

you ever paid any taxes?

13:08

all the time.

13:08

and that's not "having interacted"?

13:09

not what i meant eh.

13:09

<mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted

13:09

owns

13:09

not 'lost'

13:09

perhaps converse is to be inserted as well - anything that one -lost- from interacting with government, ought to be returned.

13:09

except thermodynamics gets in the way

13:09

they long ate and shat it.

13:10

feed it to the mushrooms

13:10

feed them shit, keep them in the dark

13:10

asciilifeform i can see a plan to have everyone who ever worked for a government shipped to the salt mines until the whole sum is made back.

13:10

"here's how much you group of criminals owe. the pay is X an hour. get busy."

13:10

aha. and why it's so important that putin "didn't write", but just takes as he seems fit without elaborating on paper?

13:11

because rule of law jurov.

13:11

it's one thing to be a thief, it's another to pretend not to be a thief.

13:11

which is why i write about people like bfl on trilema, but not about any one of the countless heists.

13:11

jurov: what thing of yours did mr p take? i'd like to hear the full story here

13:12

asciilifeform well how'd he know.

13:13

alf whines all the time about as if obama took something from him.. so i'm trying to compare

13:13

jurov: mr o takes half of what i make.

13:13

and then some

13:13

and will probably sign my hanging papers eventually

13:13

they have taxes in russia too don';t they ?

13:13

mircea_popescu: 15% flat

13:13

FLAT

13:13

last i checked.

13:14

ya ya, except if you become an "oligarch", then they invent imaginary arears and steal your shit.

13:14

asciilifeform: what has you so convinced your head is going to roll?

13:14

which 'oligarch' didn't steal 'his' money from the public in ru ?

13:14

during 'privatization'

13:14

entirely different story.

13:14

mircea_popescu: not different at all. <mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.

13:14

"steal from the public" is what, microsoft ? jp manufacturer of resistors ?

13:15

how did the dekulakized folks in ru make their dough ?

13:15

well, the papers show they bought and sold.

13:15

this is fine.

13:15

they didn't, yoiu know, take employment with the govt.

13:15

'bought' for fire sale price from dead lion

13:15

and so...

13:15

not their problem.

13:15

as crown concession from new regime

13:15

crown gave - crown took.

13:15

also not their problem.

13:15

mno.

13:16

if i buy something from you, you're not "taking" it.

13:16

if i'm only 'selling' for a penny because you torched my house the day before - then yes, took.

13:16

these are unequal things. commerce is between equal parties. employment is between unequal parties.

13:16

it makes no difference. don't want to sell, don't sell.

13:16

the commerce between the arsonist and his victim is not commerce.

13:16

otherwise we'll start having to take back the ilk of shrem because hey, "they torched his house".

13:17

you still don't fucking sign.

13:17

once you've settled, you've settled.

13:17

i mean i get the basic idea, 'to the victor - the spoils, to the vanqushed - the tears'

13:18

it's just, unlike things are and remain unlike.

13:18

but what's with the dress-up games. if tomorrow yesterday's victor and vanquished switch places - the former doesn't get to whine about 'violations'

13:18

same right of might as his original rape

13:18

depends on how the stuff was formalised.

13:18

except the cock's on the other pudenda now.

13:18

which is what rule of law is all about.

13:18

if tomorrow it is discovered bharara was acting under mere color of law,

13:18

the people who didn't sign a confession walk

13:19

the people who did sign a confession stay in.

13:19

if the law gets scrapped and re-written every time the throne changes hands - what is the law ?

13:19

that really has no bearing on the case here.

13:19

If I was involved in the formation of a new regime I would institute a policy of mercy on the old regime. If only because any new regime is likely to be taken over by the next

13:19

want to set a precedent

13:19

Chillum it's a stupider idea than you realise.

13:19

*

mats slaps forehead

13:19

Chillum: we all get eaten by worms in the end. why not start now. right ?

13:19

l0l

13:19

I intend to be eaten by wolves

13:20

consider the matter in terms you're better equipped to handle. if, upon breaking up a girl with her former boyfriend, you institute a policy that she may fuck him whenever,

13:20

kill yourself

13:20

you're merely stating that you're not really the new boyfriend.

13:20

maybe Chillum is referring to what happened in Iraq for example, where former baathists end up in ISIS

13:20

mats: he can't, no wolf in sight yet

13:20

they'll revert and you'll be out of the loop soon enough.

13:20

trinque: ^^

13:20

yup

13:20

plan for failure

13:20

if you plan for failure, go home.

13:20

ought to have properly executed every last baathist.

13:21

failure to plan for failure is the ultimate failure

13:21

ha. you and what army mats ?

13:21

"they" "should"

13:21

the them!

13:21

anyone recall the folk tale where the headsman is ordered to chop own head ?

13:21

oic. yes, they should. and they actually do.

13:21

part of why isis seems respectable where the usarmy does not.

13:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14089 @ 0.00027 = 3.804 BTC [-]

13:23

i'll respect when they build so much as one mosfet. or a hydro plant. or own radar array. or at least stop using fucking caesar ciphers.

13:23

asciilifeform: can't, science is from satan

13:23

maybe they're respectable like one respects a forest fire

13:23

trinque: atheist kalash is also from satan, doesn't prevent the 'doublethink'

13:24

trinque: forest fires can't be tricked and tripped like a child.

13:24

not in terms of thinking creatures, though

13:24

asciilifeform well yeah, if they actually were intellectually respectable i'd prolly be there.

13:24

but we were discussing agency rather than techne here

13:25

when the ancients anthropomorphisized nature and 'respected', e.g., the sea, it was because it was -indomitable-

13:25

not necessarily.

13:25

go try respect a puddle

13:25

it's too early in the morning for this zen shit

13:25

:p

13:25

asciilifeform danae fucked a (pee) puddle was pregnant.

13:26

seems like isis is just good kindling for a larger middle eastern war

13:27

mircea_popescu: rain, not puddle

13:27

rain is respectable.

13:27

I wouldn't expect them to continue to exist if/when that kicks off

13:27

golden rain tho.

13:27

if that's not piss...

13:27

though I wish I understood the saudi/iran dynamic more

13:28

(and yes, you can end up pregnant from piss)

13:28

mircea_popescu: pH ?

13:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00027493 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {2}

13:28

the little buggers are really persistent.

13:28

i suppose you only need one spermatozoid

13:29

(though modern data suggests they have flock dynamics and pheromonal strange, like ants)

13:29

which is weird, considering.

13:29

but yeah, i recall some stuff about how white sperms beat up black sperms.

13:30

*

asciilifeform does not recall 'fighting sperm' but there was the gradient-following thing

13:31

https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/29/5948003/scientists-discover-killer-roundworm-sperm-hermaphrodites

13:31

'On or about October 24, 2014, VELENTZAS viewed on her cellular telephone YouTube videos about a beginner's tutorial for soldering, tools and steps for soldering and de-soldering, how to solder wires together, how to solder a circuit board, common soldering mistakes, and introduction to flux, a product used in soldering tasks.'

13:32

...

13:32

you have got to be kidding me.

13:32

( http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1700764-velentzas-and-siddiqui-complaint.html#document/p2 )

13:32

Velentzas and Siddiqui Complaint ... ( http://bit.ly/1CChaqq )

13:33

i would imagine by now the number of retarded people being abused through this scandalous mockery of law exceeds the "sex offenders"

13:33

but hey, the us is solving its homeless population, and the un doesn't even seem to notice or anything.

13:33

what about sanctions for human rights violations in africa's most recent presidential autocracy ?

13:35

'VELENTZAS also told the UC that she was progressing in her electrical studies and had used a solder tool to solder copper wires together, although VELENTZAS had suffered a small burn on her finger in the process. The UC observed a burn mark on VELENTZAS's finger.'

13:39

https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption << mega-l0l

13:39

ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCirhj )

13:41

mircea_popescu, i got a response from fortune, not the one i was hoping for either

13:41

'https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption / CTIA - "The Best App of CTIA by the Techlicious 2012 Best of CTIA Awards" / PC Magazine - "PC Magazine Best Apps" / TRUSTe - Received "TRUSTe Privacy Seal" / Global Mobile Internet Conference App Space - "A top 50 app" ......... Looks like a substitution cipher. What if it's just XOR? Like just fuckin' XOR?'

13:41

do they indicate where to send process ?

13:41

cazalla, mircea_popescu: toldya they'd say 'pound sand'

13:41

http://dpaste.com/2E1T9JN

13:41

dpaste: 2E1T9JN ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCiJ7I )

13:42

da fuck do i care what the idiot has to say lmao.

13:43

judge will say 'hated terrorist vs. fortune co.' 'case closed.'

13:44

or what, mircea_popescu expects to get in the mail a package with the head of the fella who signed the 'do not cite qntra' memo taped on 'fortune' monkeys' cubicles ?

13:45

the 'we did not claim they broke the news' thing is pure gold.

13:46

cazalla i'd say they'd banned from qntra, and we just rewrite their breaking stuff without credit given, but then again they've not broken anything since like the 80s, they just rewrite random feeds.

13:46

if someone steals his golden toilet, and thief answers 'i did not claim it was mine, just took it' ?

13:47

asciilifeform it's not a matter of i expect to get that head. i am getting that head.

13:47

but not in the mail

13:47

in whatever manner.

13:47

and not because of a verdict from an american court.

13:47

if that is true, that is to their detriment.

13:49

they don't as much as have a fucking legal address on the site, anything.

13:49

it could be a blogspot blog for all anyone knows.

13:58

http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-gchq-jtrig-intercept-15-0402.pdf << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim.

13:58

mircea_popescu: ^ this is still a thing!? l0l!

13:59

well sure it is.

13:59

i looked for a legal contact, not finding anything, might have to be sent to time inc as they appear to own fortune.com

13:59

'GCHQ has consistently underperformed on Brazil, with growing concerns that Sth [sic] American attitudes on the Falklands are swinging behind Argentina....'

14:02

cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3

14:02

dpaste: 21W5GH3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10wlR )

14:04

mircea_popescu, nice, i'll hold off responding to this daniel roberts fellow and see what comes of yours

14:04

the point asciilifeform doesn't appreciate here is that i'd much rather spend 10k to sue forbes over a missatributed story than spend 10k to buy "clicks" on facebook or w/e.

14:04

you can readily ignore the muppet.

14:04

probably same result from each 10k

14:04

but it's mircea_popescu's 10k, if he wants to spend it on a new coat of pain for dirigible - perfectly good

14:05

*paint

14:05

it's fortune.com really no difference

14:05

the donkey said to the man breaking ground, that no grains grow in freshly broken ground.

14:05

that's right. not yet, they don't.

14:05

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897445 << ever read, 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court' by Twain? http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf

14:05

Logged on 26-10-2014 21:21:38; decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks

14:05

... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmSJ0 )

14:06

mats: http://www.mvkworld.com/eBooks/pages/Science%20Fiction/Poul_William_Anderson_-_The_Man_Who_Came_Early.pdf << MUCH better story about same

14:06

... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmWs2 )

14:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00027 = 1.863 BTC [-]

14:06

we'll see.

14:06

more realistic ending, for one.

14:06

and less sanctimonious twain bullshit

14:07

search.b-a issues a known problem? doesn't seem to have indexed the last few days

14:09

^ mthreat?

14:10

which issues be those ?

14:10

!s issues

14:10

696 results for 'issues' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=issues

14:11

Checking Query Cache For Query53 µs

14:11

motherfucker, checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time

14:11

issues be it's not returning anything from the last couple days

14:12

checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time << ahahahahahaha

14:12

!s fortune

14:12

176 results for 'fortune' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fortune

14:13

mike_c whoopsie hadn't noticed.

14:13

asciilifeform shut up dude. if advanced aliens show up they perforce know of caching

14:13

1/3 of the total time is 53 microseconds? that's pretty fast..

14:13

perhaps they even show us how to make one.

14:13

mike_c game server whadda ya want

14:13

aliens - yes, on account of light speed.

14:14

ah. game time and web time are not the same orders of magnitude :)

14:14

myeah

14:14

this, i'll grant, is an insane piece of gnarl with three joins in it. for prototyping not really used in code.

14:14

browser that spends 56mS rooting through cache - thank sv and their stables of delinquent children turned into 'programmers'

14:15

asciilifeform sql profiling, nothing to do with browsers.

14:15

ah three joins isn't that bad

14:15

mircea_popescu: same rot

14:15

and he said us, not ms

14:15

i really have no idea. and yes micro.

14:16

micro - less abjectly idiotic

14:19

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080139 << ahem

14:19

Logged on 31-03-2015 00:27:33; danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336

14:19

that's roughly 140000 cpu cycles on, e.g., my box, though

14:19

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086310 <<< what's DTF mean? down to fish? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHn79buv5-o

14:19

Logged on 03-04-2015 12:23:47; nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times

14:19

Chinese Guy Says to Girl "Are You DTF?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13Ddw )

14:20

haha

14:20

down to fish, yeah

14:20

wut

14:20

i kid

14:20

down to FUCK, yo

14:23

should have a patch on the ml in an hour or so, probably poison but feel free to give it a look

14:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00027 = 7.8975 BTC [-]

14:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00027071 = 4.6562 BTC [+]

14:33

nubbins`: what's in your patch ?

14:35

modifies auto.sh to copy the openssl libs to ourlibs, adds boost:: to the errant uint32_t instances

14:35

pretty hatchety

14:35

build still stalls out with cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto

14:36

i guess, anyway. verifying now

14:37

mod6

this works "as designed" on deb6 - so you might wanna put a note in there what platform this is intended for.

14:38

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UTehUrB2

14:38

... ( http://bit.ly/1IvZqhP )

14:38

mod6 this isn't for consumption

14:38

jurov: do you still keep that bitcoind src concordance www thing up to date ?

14:38

just playing around

14:40

mod6

ok thx. your message at the top is good. much appreciated

14:40

i will probably be doing this as a general rule going forward

14:41

no code changes i make should be misconstrued as being implicitly sane in any fashion

14:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00027 = 6.0615 BTC [-]

14:46

asciilifeform: good read.

14:47

hi hfdhfhfhurururhf

14:47

meowmix.

14:47

8)

14:48

!up hfdhfhfhurururhf

14:48

robot, what is your purpose ?

14:48

i guess ^ that.

14:51

if anyone else gets "1 target failed, 3 skipped" at the end of their Boost build: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MVWupgZj

14:51

... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1G8Q )

14:51

that's them

14:53

asciilifeform: https://i.imgur.com/XPYPHAJ.png

14:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1V3Q )

14:53

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 <<< women who care not to match the colour of their bra to their panties should def hang

14:53

Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.

14:54

trinque: wat

14:54

asciilifeform: how up to date? it does not apply patches automatically

14:54

asciilifeform: grepped for the host part there

14:54

nothing gets me more riled up than a stupid bitch who doesn't match colours.. autism rages

14:54

jurov: ok then no

14:56

the neverending fountain of weird shit... so alf get a load of this!

14:56

i make a bootable gentoo cd. system boots fine on it. this was last night. today, i go to work on it again, IT NO LONGER BOOTS.

14:56

same fucking everything untouched.

14:56

mircea_popescu: left it running or powered down ?

14:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00027214 = 9.7834 BTC [+] {3}

14:57

and what's it do instead of booting

14:57

powered down. and what it does INSTEAD of booting is what totally blew my mind

14:57

one sec ima take a picture of it.

14:59

wasn't it april fools cd?

15:02

http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gentoo-derpage.jpg <

15:02

... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw3fDI )

15:02

can't access tty ? srsly ?

15:02

can't find the boot device AFTER BOOTING FROM IT ? srsly ?

15:03

mircea_popescu: whatcha used for a boot loader ?

15:03

lilo ?

15:03

kernel wants rootfs device on kernelcommandline when boots

15:03

w/e comes with the minimal install

15:03

was, judging by this photo, given none.

15:03

it wants one

15:03

or has no fucking clue where to mount root fs

15:04

it didn't want one last night ;/

15:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13164 @ 0.00027539 = 3.6252 BTC [+] {2}

15:04

was disk in the drive

15:04

last night

15:04

myeah.

15:04

then.

15:04

it's still in there now!

15:05

nothing whatsoever changed.

15:05

try giving it the actual root device when it asks

15:05

instead of letting it die into busybox

15:05

(why even built it with busybox, i wonder)

15:05

i have no idea.

15:06

moreover, im not aware i actually did

15:06

didja even build this kernel.

15:06

and how the fuck does it not find the cd when it booted off the cd!

15:06

cd is not build to be usable as rootfs

15:06

*built

15:07

(typically it contains a thing that can be booted from and ends up living in ram, like my pogo 'turdel')

15:07

but not to be mounted as a rootfs by a normal kernel.

15:07

look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.

15:07

mircea_popescu poured diesel into petrol engine

15:08

meh.

15:08

at any rate, give it the rootfs.

15:08

if boots, then stuff it into the kernel cmd line params in lilo (or grub or whatever you used)

15:08

then it will work for all time.

15:08

alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se

15:08

like i do on 'pogo' builds.

15:08

if im going to actually have to do shit by hand im not going ot use the retarded "live cd" bs.

15:08

i have nfi why these people keep offering offers they can't actually offer.

15:09

i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in

15:09

as just a disk.

15:10

then when the contents are in place, we move disk to its final home and try to boot from it, etc.

15:10

yeah well that's nice, but srsly...

15:11

look at your lilo (or grub) config.

15:12

"The Gentoo minimal installation CD is a bootable CD which contains a self-sustained Gentoo environment. It allows the user to boot Linux from the CD."

15:12

their fucking handbook or w/e that is.

15:12

sure does

15:12

-the linux on the cd-

15:12

is the idea im booting gentoo off the cd and it gives me ash ?!

15:13

wai wat, did that box -boot from cd- ?

15:13

the one in the pic

15:13

yes dude

15:13

what do you think im going on about here!

15:13

though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux.

15:13

no.

15:13

!

15:13

see, THAT would have made sense.

15:14

*

asciilifeform like total idiot assumed the variant that makes sense.

15:14

this is why i said you won't believe it.

15:14

because a) even if the cd somehow failed it shouldnb't fail like this

15:14

and b) wtf.

15:14

and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ?

15:14

yes.

15:14

not some crazy sun dildostation.

15:14

hm.

15:15

and i mean sure w/e i could compile it and whatnot.

15:15

but so far am very nonplussed.

15:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00027559 = 4.1476 BTC [+]

15:16

meanwhile,

15:16

==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)

15:16

==00:00:00:12.322 18417== at 0x4C7D43: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions() (wallet.cpp:678)

15:16

==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x44A1EB: SendMessages(CNode*, bool) (main.cpp:156)

15:16

==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x47011C: ThreadMessageHandler2(void*) (net.cpp:1505)

15:16

==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x4702C6: ThreadMessageHandler(void*) (net.cpp:1464)

15:17

==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x64DB082: start_thread (in /lib64/libpthread-2.19.so)

15:17

==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x6FEF26C: clone (in /lib64/libc-2.19.so)

15:17

and several dozen more like it.

15:17

that's nice

15:17

this is not weirdobuild either

15:17

this is STANDARD dynamic

15:17

am i the first to run full-bore valgrind on it or wut

15:18

so apparently we found satoshi

15:18

his name is mel.

15:18

shatoshi

15:18

and people use this thing, huh.

15:19

*

asciilifeform would like a copy of mircea_popescu's trinary sovcoin plz. because this is just Sad.

15:24

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.new

15:24

[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw70ZN )

15:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00027559 = 3.252 BTC [+]

15:25

woodc0ll3kt0r!!!

15:25

he's back!

15:25

I don't even

15:28

http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000081.html

15:28

... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw7L59 )

15:29

i also don't even

15:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00027559 = 6.4901 BTC [+]

15:29

dem filenames

15:29

*

nubbins` files this away for next time

15:30

holy shit the guy's made dragonballs

15:31

nubbins`: the patches need uniquie identifiers for people sending sigs later

15:32

"much like Satoshi" ahahha my sides

15:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00027559 = 2.0945 BTC [+]

15:33

jurov yeah i stupidly attached the shasum of my patch file to the filename

15:33

didn't realize the ml does it for me

15:33

lol never occurred to me someone would do it

15:36

lel @ woodcollector

15:37

he should write a book

15:37

asciilifeform check this out : if you boot off the cd, gentoo works ONCE. if you reboot it, it no longer works. if you boot machine with something else, this resets it, and you can now boot gentoo off cd again. ONCE.

15:38

pathological liars don't automatically make good storytellers, much as folks with no bowel control are not by this fertilizatory virtue automatically good farmers.

15:38

wtf does it corrupt, the bios is not new enough and there's no hdd

15:38

mircea_popescu maybe the livecd checks the hdd for rootfs, tried to mount partially-installed one or smth

15:38

mircea_popescu: all boots here were 'cold' ?

15:38

or 'warm'

15:38

all were cold.

15:39

nubbins` logical, but no hdd attached.

15:39

as in, mains power removed ?

15:39

a

15:39

as in fans stopped.

15:39

asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. << Seems to have been independently written and later blessed because of its error, contrast to "Poor Mans James Bond" written by fellow who wanted to be their friend, but his work... not blessed

15:39

you want me to actually drain the mobo light ?

15:39

yes.

15:39

ok, trying this one for my own curio

15:39

asciilifeform i don't think he can produce a good story -- that much is obvious -- but it'd be nice for him to condense his stupidity into a single volume that could be burned

15:40

nubbins`: unfortunately - stupidity doesn't work like ova

15:40

:/

15:40

not a finite count of it in the vessel

15:40

you're not born with all the stupidity you'll ever have

15:40

hahaha

15:40

*

nubbins` applauds

15:40

anyway i guess the dude saw my auction and got jealous

15:40

figured giving away 5k btc is pretty ballin

15:41

nevermind that the entire concept is ludicrous

15:42

tempted to move 5k coins and post tx in the thread claiming that i've found the capsule ;/

15:42

lol

15:42

but why add credence to idiocy.

15:42

" Inside that container is 1,000 bronze bitcoins"

15:42

ick, debased roman bitcoins

15:42

i mean, buy a plural ffs.

15:43

only gold bitcoin is genuine.

15:43

forged in a time when men were men and haters left wood carvers alone

15:43

"I have made and sold 9 2015 wooden physical bitcoins listed below. Each one of those coins has hidden in or on it a part of the puzzle. The key to decoding the first part of that puzzle is coin #10 which after much though is being given to someone whom i already chose from this forum. In order to decode each individual wooden coin you will have to have #10 in its physical presence and in order to solve the entire firs

15:43

t clue you will need to posses and have all 10 coins in the same physical location. The clues in the coins were crafted in a fashion that you will never find them let alone figure them out via photographs, with x-rays, or in any fashion other than having all the coins in the same location at the same time to solve the puzzle."

15:43

know what would be riotously funny? if american 'nature preservation' agency rounded the idiot up and took'im to preet

15:43

for the crime of poaching rare wood, naturally

15:43

check it out, this is pure rationality. long live bayes!

15:43

self-confessed

15:45

mircea_popescu whoa i didn't read that far.

15:45

cold cold boot does it. where the fuck does it store its stupid bits alf ?

15:45

mircea_popescu: dram remanence ?

15:45

that reliable ?!

15:46

there must be some eeprom in the bios that i don't know about.

15:46

http://www.cert.org/digital-intelligence/tools/afterlife.cfm? << depends on box

15:46

AfterLife | Digital Intelligence and Investigation | The CERT Division ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwaBXG )

15:46

"i am so rich that 5000 btc is a mere pittance, but a bunch of forum scamzors will have to collectively shell out ~$10k in airfare in order to unravel the mystery"

15:46

(whatsthat? little proggy that warmboots machine with small linux and reads dram 0..top to a usb stick.)

15:46

nubbins` funny thing is, ego and intelligence are unrelated variables at birth. plenty of people roll 6-1.

15:46

nod

15:47

tbh i forgot about the guy

15:47

he must've been plotting this whole time

15:47

lol right.

15:47

actually 'remanence' is wrong word here!

15:47

because the dram was never powered down

15:47

it is doing its job

15:47

as opposed to, whole thing occured to him this morning as he was sitting on shitter and contemplating what a laughingstock he is

15:47

warm boot on pc arch doesn't cycle dram reset

15:47

and then he wrote it all breathlessly and didn't bother to proofread before submitting.

15:47

pc owner oughta know that.

15:48

(to be fair, pc arch standard is dead and what i said is probably wrong for at least every box in seven on the market.)

15:48

^

15:48

so mircea_popescu cannot be faulted for not giving a rat's arse

15:49

well i can be faulted all anyone wants, but guyess what!

15:50

my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:

15:50

as a kid i always imagined that the shit tank was bottomless.

15:50

or at least, like a skyscraper, but sorta inverted

15:50

into the ground.

15:50

or how else could hold generations of turds.

15:50

i even saw it, in dreams

15:50

this titanic edifice.

15:51

now i realize it was true. except not outhouse, but pc arch and the whole stack of softs.

15:52

!b 8

15:52

Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0B07BZW.txt )

15:53

in other news, i think i've a fixed-ram-space bitcoind running...

15:54

will say, after it syncs, if so, and how

15:54

also writing broadcast (s.nsa) and buncha other things in shiva hands

15:55

is there an easy way to induce an arbitrary-sized chain reorg for testing?

15:55

there is not an easy way to do much of anything.

15:58

what are we looking for, at the bottom of that tank? a golden ring ?

15:59

i can't recall losing one...

16:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41803 @ 0.00027 = 11.2868 BTC [-]

16:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82501 @ 0.00027 = 22.2753 BTC [-]

16:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00027 = 7.911 BTC [-]

16:14

http://syprog.blogspot.ru/2015/04/linux-loadable-kernel-module-in-assembly.html

16:14

System Programming: Linux Loadable Kernel Module in Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwfeRP )

16:14

mats: works but ver magic.

16:15

'ver magic'?

16:16

mod won't load unless matches kernel ver.

16:16

o.

16:16

no big deal, not hard to determine.

16:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00027559 = 3.7205 BTC [+]

16:29

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/eastereggs.html << win

16:29

... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwhetk )

16:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00027561 = 9.4672 BTC [+] {2}

16:33

punkman the best way to test that sort of thing is on a local testnet with low diff.

16:33

make n chain then make reorg

16:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00027 = 11.583 BTC [-]

16:46

asciilifeform i think i've got it

16:46

?

16:50

cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto

16:51

"The computer has no way of knowing by examining the word itself, whether a word is intended as a number or an instruction. Under most circumstances it is the numbers which are operated on and the instructions which are followed as instruction. The LGP-30 has the ability to operate on instructions as numbers. This ability is not only valuable but a feature which makes for the great power of stored program computers. Ho

16:51

wever, it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions. Since an instruction word is indistinguishable from a number word, some means must be provided to avoid using numbers as instructions. How this is accomplished is described under "BUILDING A PROGRAM". Also, how we convert from a 2000 to the binary representation shown is discussed later."

16:51

fucking nuts.

16:52

http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/lgp-30-man.html#R1.00 << ancient manuals are great, but good god the stuff one finds in there

16:52

LGP - 30 PROGRAMMING MANUAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwkG6Z )

17:04

'it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions.' << translation from ru? cn ?

17:05

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 158.9876222 BTC. Current weight: 20,843.

17:09

its english

17:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10913 @ 0.00027403 = 2.9905 BTC [+]

17:13

its english << as written by su mole deep in the british ministry of fucktardation ?

17:14

someone at royal mcbee i imagine.

17:14

you wanted using instead of to use ?

17:14

'it is always to be avoided' ?????!

17:15

"using numbers as instructions should always be avoided"

17:15

weird word order

17:16

yes ?

17:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00027 = 18.468 BTC [-]

17:21

asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html

17:21

... ( http://bit.ly/1IwpadZ )

17:21

just something you see in translations, not that a NY company's manual would be

17:23

others who are trying to build 0.5.3.1 on gentoo should also see above link ^

17:27

build script doesn't copy any of the openssl includes or libs to the ourlibs/ directory

17:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00027 = 6.642 BTC [-]

17:27

but apparently this only fails (so far) on gentoo.

17:28

it's going to get pretty difficult to follow along before long

17:29

nubbins`: i must remind readers that my 'dns snip' patch does not remove all usage of dns from bitcoin

17:29

only for seeding

17:29

nod

17:30

are you gents permanently opposed to vcs?

17:30

it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat

17:30

trinque: excellent question! see thread

17:30

During the conversation, the UC stated, "We read chemistry books with breakfast. Like, who does that?" VELENTZAS responded, "People who want to make history."

17:30

orly ? what about you know, every sophomore ever.

17:31

*

trinque finds tons of talk about venture capitalists :p

17:31

trinque what are we but vcs.

17:31

we're opposed to retards.

17:31

trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922660

17:31

Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy.

17:31

^ mandatory thread

17:31

mircea_popescu: talkin bout version control

17:31

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922669

17:31

Logged on 15-11-2014 00:34:02; asciilifeform: but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code.

17:32

^ this is absolutely vital to understand.

17:32

i haven't verified that you necessarily need to apply the dns snip patch for it to compile on gentoo

17:33

that getaddrinfo stuff was just a warning

17:33

it only happened to spit out right after the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto"

17:33

nubbins`: it is a warning that tells you the fact that YOUR BIN WILL ONLY RUN ON YOUR BOX

17:33

pretty dire so far as warnings go.

17:33

:D

17:33

asciilifeform: heh I replied to you there as undata and the opinion still stands

17:33

but w/e you guys are doing the lifting, yours to decide

17:34

trinque: try to understand why.

17:34

it's just not clear which chains of patches are which

17:34

and will increasingly be so

17:34

trinque: there is precisely one set of 'official' patches

17:34

that is, ones that made it into the release

17:34

there is also another set, of dangerous patches which may or may not turn into tree candidates.

17:34

trinque this is sort of like the bible, in that various acid fevers are recorded and some of them end up being canon

17:35

lol

17:35

i'm not joking

17:35

anyone so much as touching the dangerous patches needs to actually grasp what is going on.

17:35

anyway alf if you get some spare cycles, can you try my patch & verify that i'm not crazy?

17:35

you're crazy even with the patch.

17:36

!s simple minded psychopath

17:36

4 results for 'simple minded psychopath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=simple+minded+psychopath

17:36

entirely possible to use git or something else for dev, patch process for release

17:36

:D

17:36

ah w/e

17:36

but I see the sense of this

17:36

i think the original was hyphenated

17:36

trinque: do you know the biblical story about the camel's nose ?

17:36

trinque honestly im just waiting for them to get buried in more pizza packaging first.

17:37

well, pseudo-biblical

17:37

asciilifeform: something something nose tent

17:37

trinque: i keep my own vcs system and apply patches directly from mu4e

17:37

branch, apply patch, run tests in vm

17:37

attempt to compile et

17:37

etc*

17:37

so now what if you want to collaborate on a branch

17:37

you're just manually doing the same thing

17:37

*

trinque shrugs

17:37

it is NOT the same thing!

17:37

nobody's collaborating on anything man

17:37

the shitty thing doesn't even compile yet

17:37

and this is desirable?

17:37

ben_vulpes yes it does :)

17:38

it doesn't compile -statically-

17:38

ah, nubbins -- sanity!

17:38

well, yes.

17:38

compiles to my requirements.

17:38

asciilifeform yes it does!

17:38

trinque: do you recall the conversation about sov. nuke subs ?

17:38

and their reactor controls

17:38

does *not* compile to my requirements, i mean.

17:38

the same outcome is not proof that you are 'doing the same thing'

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086328 >> he's right.

17:38

Logged on 03-04-2015 13:37:28; nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it

17:39

sometimes, the -process- matters.

17:39

ok, I am aware of your perspective

17:39

because the -process- provides guarantees of...

17:39

!s provenance

17:39

26 results for 'provenance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=provenance

17:39

you can easily verify the output of git

17:39

<ben_vulpes> nobody's collaborating on anything man << this is like the first time ever people are seriously using a noncollaborative approach to coding.

17:39

programmers as a class have severe trouble with this concept, in my experience

17:39

haha

17:39

because they live & die by idempotence of identical bits

17:40

the adversarial approach to development

17:40

asciilifeform only whores masquerading as programmers.

17:40

(also see the 'what colour are your bits' essay)

17:40

"it rubbed me nicely, same thing"

17:40

not at all what I'm saying

17:40

*

nubbins` snoozes while waiting for bitcoind to find seeds

17:41

trinque: when you use a version control apparatus, it is very easy to produce patches that cannot be applied using your mind

17:41

and this quickly becomes the only kind of patch produced.

17:41

asciilifeform eventually that list jurov keeps will become unusable as a flat thing, you are aware.

17:41

"patch" = updating 5,000 files at once

17:41

mircea_popescu: eventually

17:42

even if your version control is strictly "X -> Y -> Z" which are all control points

17:42

if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked

17:42

it's still fucking version control.

17:42

running diff and patch by hand isn't going to fix it

17:42

nubbins`: laugh, but what do you imagine would happen if one of us were to, e.g., reindent it.

17:42

asciilifeform i used that example because i've seen precisely this sort of bullshit committed to svn

17:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00027209 = 6.2581 BTC [+] {3}

17:42

trinque: it's a deliberate antiautomation, to keep things short

17:42

like the orators who were forced to stand on one leg

17:43

<+trinque> if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked <<< by this metric, /we have been fucked from day one/

17:43

have you LOOKED at the code? :S

17:43

you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p

17:43

8)

17:43

who is "we" there?

17:43

for dramatic effect

17:43

everyone who ever poked his dick into the github?

17:43

everyone who ever poked his dick in pre-0.5.4 bitcoin

17:44

the approach does not 'fix' anything, no. but it prevents certain plagues that are otherwise ubiquitous

17:44

and 100% fatal.

17:45

by that logic you should never drive, because the machine's capable of 130mph into a brick wall

17:45

anyhow, proceed as you like

17:45

noooooo, the analogy would be a car with a governor that kicks in at 200kph

17:45

y'know, like they have in actual cars in real life

17:46

"actual cars" ?

17:46

<+trinque> you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p

17:46

ahahha

17:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00027 = 4.698 BTC [-]

17:47

for the record, your car is almost certainly not "capable" of doing anything at 130mph

17:47

except maybe freefalling

17:47

this is why you like the two ton mercedes.

17:47

flies at 200km/h

17:47

ehh, i once got a chrysler neon up to 205.

17:47

(this only works downhill)

17:47

nubbins`: my old 300zx could certainly do 130

17:48

current vw crapwagon nope

17:48

trinque and is your 300zx for granny smith, or for a driver who knows the risks?

17:48

the only time i trusted a us pos i had a break plate of a ford explode. just like that.

17:48

and thus, the analogy complete.

17:48

we nearly fucking died.

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WOO

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height=6538

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*

nubbins` applauds

17:49

look a tthat. that's almost like a modern block's worth altogether.

17:49

mircea_popescu: damn, yeah I don't drive american cars

17:49

i don't drive either, but yeah.

17:50

in fairness this was prolly assembled in canada out of vietnamese parts or some shit. "american" what's that.

17:53

nubbins`: wait so granny smith is who you want working on bitcoind?

17:53

again, you deliberately misunderstand

17:53

all I'm saying is use tools that don't slow down the work, and have merge nazis using shame and dishonor at the center

17:53

it's not a question of who i want working on it

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or of who i "want" "working" on it

17:53

the problem's solved by the wot not diff and patch

17:54

i dunno man

17:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12978 @ 0.00027564 = 3.5773 BTC [+]

17:55

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-a-3-85-latte-paid-for-with-a-fake-100-bill-lead-to-counterfeit-kingpins-downfall/

17:55

How a $3.85 latte paid for with a fake $100 bill led to counterfeit kingpin’s downfall | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gau2bl )

17:55

trinque: you and i can collaborate any time that we want, by derping at our respective repos

17:56

I am well convinced that you guys like your process and there's nothing wrong with that.

17:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00027 = 12.204 BTC [-]

17:58

i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00027 = 4.8308 BTC [-]

18:01

https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/viceroy-french-horn-rebellion

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Viceroy \u0026 French Horn Rebellion - Friday Nights by VICEROY - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1yKnzMl )

~ 26 minutes ~

18:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00027519 = 4.2517 BTC [+]

18:29

https://shapeshift.io/blog.html wow, evoor is really intrepid

18:29

The ShapeShift Blog | Shape Shift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbYMt5 )

18:29

(scroll down and bask in his blue eyes)

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"Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down

18:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00027 = 24.327 BTC [-]

18:31

"creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass.

18:32

He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes?

18:32

yes

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heh

18:34

breaking: erik voorhees falsely claims to have created things that he didn't

18:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27348 @ 0.00027533 = 7.5297 BTC [+] {2}

18:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16620 @ 0.00027564 = 4.5811 BTC [+]

18:51

<ben_vulpes> i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today << i'm not convinced that there could be any reasonable alternative.

18:52

for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed.

18:53

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31bwnf/seriously_this_will_most_likely_hail_downvotes/

18:53

[Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W )

18:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00027536 = 5.6311 BTC [-] {3}

18:58

26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel.

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27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes.

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28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.

18:58

^ l0l

18:58

( https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-SqZC5_Cmo6NUC1p3/gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1_djvu.txt )

18:58

Full text of "gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1.pdf (PDFy mirror)" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic3GGp )

19:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00027569 = 6.7544 BTC [+] {2}

19:03

'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en

19:03

joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."'

19:04

but 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.' (TM)

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!up Bagels7

19:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgwoLCZ9Uc << obligatory

19:04

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Frntyd )

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEPnAGZLyE << proper uncut version

19:06

Икар и мудрецы (Союзмультфильм) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FrnKRD )

19:06

'icarus and the wise men'

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027601 = 6.3758 BTC [+]

19:13

mega-recommended ^

19:13

(mostly self-explanatory without transl.)

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asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem".

19:18

ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client'

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(nor anything else)

19:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19416 @ 0.00027601 = 5.359 BTC [+]

19:18

i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv

19:18

huh

19:18

for a few things, even 'gmail'

19:18

yes.

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i'm particularly frustrated at verifying sigs and what has one.

19:27

lel

19:27

some guy came across a bunch of old bmezine saline-injection pics

19:27

http://imgur.com/a/4jSKe

19:27

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel_head - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic9uzU )

19:28

(for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours)

19:28

<BingoBoingo> He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot.

19:29

Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk?

19:31

jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ?

19:32

anyway. i guess coinapult died ? i seem to recall a seed round about that one.

19:32

i remember coinapult

19:32

"ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever."

19:33

so you need seed funding for that ?

19:33

woo stateless web!

19:33

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087343<< lol catching on huh.

19:33

Logged on 03-04-2015 22:53:09; assbot: [Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W )

19:35

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087347 << sounds suspiciously like parallel construction.

19:35

Logged on 03-04-2015 22:58:16; asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.

19:36

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087368 << which makes two of us.

19:36

Logged on 03-04-2015 23:18:29; asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv

19:37

!up mbailin

19:37

https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/coinbase.com << lol

19:38

coinbase.com | WOT Reputation Scorecard | WOT (Web of Trust) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Icbecv )

19:38

u wot m8

19:38

haha child safety wtf

19:39

nubbins`: Check the user reviews

19:39

from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap.

19:39

ha

19:39

onlyslightlyrusted.

19:40

BingoBoingo amusingly, i can't negrate it because i don't have enough javascript.

19:40

"must be this dumb to ride!"

19:40

nor can i. guess you gotta log in

19:40

mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for?

19:41

toolazy

19:41

compiling buildroot is a snoozefest

19:42

~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run

19:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00027057 = 10.9446 BTC [-] {2}

19:47

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-141726 << "someone in the blogosphere"

19:47

Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNtIQD )

19:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21864 @ 0.00027601 = 6.0347 BTC [+]

19:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00027 = 1.7415 BTC [-]

19:49

easily the most commented on post of that "someone in the blogosphere"'s.

19:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00027 = 5.184 BTC [-]

19:55

!up Guest6009

19:55

!up julmac

19:55

!up Guest33494

19:55

i'd like to start by welcoming our distinguished guests

19:55

you may be wondering why i've assembled you all here

19:56

nubbins`: Does it involve a biopsy punch?

19:56

i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event

19:56

protip: have some fruit juice on hand, you tend to get dizzy

19:57

K

19:57

if your vision starts to fade, tell someone

19:58

*

BingoBoingo was thinking of an alternative to hancuffs. Involves padlock, biopsy punch, and two hands

19:58

heh

20:00

*

BingoBoingo figures La Sernissima is economy oriented by might not want to go zip tie cheap, though "Master"Lock is cheaper than handcuffs

20:00

kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/

20:00

BitBet (S.BBET) March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNvaTf )

20:00

you can get some tough zip ties

20:01

you can get zip ties on a braided steel basis.

20:01

but, fwiw, you also raise eyebrows buying biopsy punches as a private citizen

20:02

nubbins`: Nah, just other things with them to lower the eyebrows back down.

20:02

wtf else am i gonna buy at a medical supply store

20:03

enema kits.

20:03

a poop stool isn't gonna make the biopsy pu... oh, hm

20:03

nubbins`: Well, if you want to seem normal... specimin slides, gauze, various dyes, and yes enema kits

20:03

yeah that'd do it

20:03

two 100 boxes of biopsy punches and 24 enema kits

20:03

ha

20:03

"you a doctor?" "nope" "...cash or credit?"

20:04

Go into the store with a list. You boss sent you. "Busy Afternoon"

20:04

*Your

20:04

in the guy's defense he didn't press further

20:05

speaking of skin cancer : did you know that mohs for melanoma works or doesn't work entirely depending on whoever does it ?

20:06

it might be the one still medical disease left.

20:06

^ True

20:06

nubbins`: But seriously if they ask about your Boss "Dad, he's at the farm with the Vet" "It's looking like we'll have to put them all down"

20:07

wat

20:07

duod this was like 15 years ago ;/

20:08

nubbins`: The pretext for picking up a few hundred biopsy punches. You never know what the future holds

20:08

nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run << ?!?!?! what are you using, a vax ?! 3.5 hours?

20:08

haha

20:08

a not well endowed vm

20:09

BingoBoingo whatever it holds, i've no further need for biopsy punches

20:10

although i've occasionally wished i had one while holding a particularly plump tangelo

20:10

nubbins`: What if research determines wetware could benefit from integral faraday cage?

20:10

something draws me to it

20:10

BingoBoingo then i guess i'd have to fill all these fistulas up again

20:11

But yes, there's also the non-meat culinary, gardening, and engineering uses for the things

20:12

btw re anarchist cookbook thing, it seems there's a bit of americana in there.

20:12

aha.

20:12

it seems : that the original author pulled a deepthroat, that the original publisher owned the rights to it

20:13

asciilifeform 4gb ram but only 1 cpu core

20:13

and that this arrangement came to a halt recently, when some arkansas derps bought it, and are republishing a widely bowdlerized version.

20:13

who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook'

20:14

what's next, -buy- 'the bastard operator from hell' ?

20:14

americana, i say.

20:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00027601 = 2.0149 BTC [+]

20:16

(btw, i'd have figured you bought a hardcopy of tbofh)

20:16

l0l

20:16

in my mind they only exist as ascii txt.

20:17

it'd feel truly strange to behold either on dead tree.

20:17

Urban legend in library world is that "Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Steal this Book" are titles that would outrage censors who find them in library catalogs long after library patron's had liberated them from the shelves.

20:17

<+asciilifeform> who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' <<<

20:18

BingoBoingo all the fun books were missing from my uni's library

20:19

*

mircea_popescu gets flashbacks of alf dissatisfied with heroin on market, starting work on own poppies.

20:19

IN AN EMULATOR!

20:19

scoopbot

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/

20:19

phun phact, many flower shops sell opium poppy pods, dried

20:19

they grow wild in europe.

20:20

wheat crop pest actually.

20:20

blue seas

20:20

i made tea from seeds once but chickened out

20:20

;;google cimp cu maci

20:20

Câmp cu maci (2011) on Vimeo: <https://vimeo.com/94752660>; Fotografii maci pe Comunitate Foto: <http://www.comunitatefoto.ro/fotografii/tag/maci/>; Camp de maci - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2wgT2N74zY>

20:21

one of the most cliche painting subjects too

20:22

nubbins`: SWIM bought seeds, like you, and made a paste that we smoked. it was a lot of effort and very mild.

20:23

gross

20:23

i think he boiled the stuff and then just let the water evaporate.

20:24

SWIM ... "we smoked" << lol

20:24

8)

20:24

i'm new to this subterfuge thing.

20:24

man I remember discovering erowid back when

20:25

what a rabbit hole

20:25

afaik the paste (very finely ground seeds with butter) is widely used as a filling

20:25

at least, it was in a bunch of traditional romanian pastries i never cared for.

20:26

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/6/67/Bread.jpg/600px-Bread.jpg

20:26

... ( http://bit.ly/1NNxVUt )

20:26

same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels

20:26

poor elaine ;/

20:26

who

20:27

seinfeld reference.

20:27

they put it in cozonac instead of proper black wallnut paste, it's appalling.

20:28

<nubbins`> same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels << Yes "legit" opioids come from the waste straw from food cultivation of the seeds

20:28

nubbins`> i made tea from seeds once but chickened out << i've had poppy tea; it was very pleasurable

20:28

BingoBoingo afaik no, they compete.

20:29

they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce.

20:29

<mircea_popescu> they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. << Depends on whose definition of "legit" production. Pharma usually takes straw for processing.

20:30

aok

20:31

less total alkaloids, but useful to them is less of a mix of alkaloids survive that far into the plant's life

20:33

Also keeps less people from being involved in the harvest compared to labor intensive latex harvesting

20:34

mats someone who is not you could have bought a shitton of seeds, ground them finely, poured straight vinegar on the whole mess, let it sit for a while, then wash it all out and enjoy.

20:35

what's smoking supposed to do.

20:38

making the stuff and smoking it wasn't my idea

20:39

but i thought, hey, you know, i'll try this stuff that white folk used to enslave a generation of my ancestors

20:39

!b 2

20:39

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MTXWZE.txt )

20:40

heh

20:46

wait, wut ?

20:46

ah, mats is from aznland ?

20:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00027608 = 18.6906 BTC [+] {2}

20:47

http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113438 << seems the author of the bitcoin spaceghost hjas come forward

20:47

Who made this ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAaXS )

20:48

http://junseth.com/post/112626834687/stop-talking-about-confirmation-speeds-start

20:48

#savetherobots — Stop Talking About Confirmation Speeds.... Start... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAl5r )

20:48

notbad either

20:49

ya.

20:59

http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000083.html

20:59

... ( http://bit.ly/1NNBxpr )

20:59

^ for anyone who thought 'eh why do we need static anyway, at the very least on pogo'

21:02

^ this kind of binary -did- run on arch, etc.

21:02

because the turds were present.

21:03

there is a fucking -reason- why the gnomes sabotaged static building.

21:12

[root@alarm ~]# ldd bitcoind

21:12

libdl.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb6f57000)

21:12

libpthread.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb6f2e000)

21:12

libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb6e52000)

21:12

libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0xb6da3000)

21:12

libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb6d74000)

21:12

!up junseth

21:12

libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0xb6c2e000)

21:12

/lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0xb6f6c000)

21:12

^ on arch.

21:12

You guys are great. Don't read it everyday, but I enjoy stumbling on the Bitcoin-assets stuff from time to time.

21:14

aww <3

21:15

Haha. Glad I stumbled on the trilema post too. Your content is always really spot on +mircea_popescu

21:16

wow not often I encounter someone who has not only heard of b-a or trilema but also actually likes them

21:17

!up Bagels7

21:18

Haha. Well, I wouldn't say I have heard of Bitcoin assets so much as stumbled on ya'lls stuff from time to time.

21:18

like where? where is it that is allowing b-a content to the surface ?

21:18

got me shadowbanned on reddit

21:19

Haha did it?

21:19

Man, it's always weird shit

21:19

well /r/bitcoin at least

21:19

I can tell you how I got here today

21:19

I wanted to see where the space ghost image had gotten to

21:19

so I went to images.google.com and threw the URL in there.

21:20

And voilla, I end up at both trilema and the bitcoin-assets log

21:20

:D

21:20

most things that are worth googling will lead to those results

21:20

You guys are like Florida. No one comes here on purpose. They end up here.

21:21

:)

21:21

so do you have gpg by any chance?

21:22

Bagels7

I'm just here for the random violent porn

21:23

o hey junseth

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I actually don't, believe it or not. I've been doing bitcoin since like 2008 ;P and I have never bothered to give a hoot about making sure I have a provable identity.

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o.O

21:24

that sorta claim won't make friends.

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anyway, never too late to get straightened out

21:24

Hahaha. Just kidding about the date.

21:24

asciilifeform you will notice the "eh why" point never actually came up ? somewhat to my surprise honestly.

21:25

junseth so what do you do ? for a living i mean.

21:25

alarmgrid.com

21:25

I am a marketer. I own a DIY home security company.

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mircea_popescu: and i only tested because had another debastardizer that i wanted to test.

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junseth how's that going ?

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(there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache)

21:26

Good. It's growing.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087484 <<< usually one or two deaths from this each year in tasmania given to the fact they grow pharma quality poppis aka the good shit and some kids take to the fields to grab a few pods for a brew

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Logged on 04-04-2015 00:20:38; nubbins`: i made tea from seeds once but chickened out

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3rd year

21:27

asciilifeform the lseek error seems perhaps reminiscent of the fat problems ?

21:27

mircea_popescu: it appears to be a deep-seated retardation in busybox's e2fs utils

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anyway.. they have a public health site for the tassie poppies http://notyouraveragepoppy.org.au/

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Not Your Average Poppy... The human body cannot process the chemicals in the Tasmanian poppy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNETsN )

21:27

junseth basically everything you sell is honeywell ?

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At the moment. We're putting some 2gig up. GE eventually.

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aha.

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But yeah, I optimize one thing at a time

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"Tasmanian poppies are highly toxic if ingested. They are uniquely different to standard poppies and have been developed to produce chemicals suitable for industrial processing only." << check out the proper use of ge huh.

21:28

so we own the Honeywell search terms

21:28

"make them secrete ricin too!"

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Now onto the next products.

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Haha, but as you can see, at nights, ont he weekends, I do Bitcoin

21:30

cool.

21:32

"libc.so.6 => not found" << what the shit ?!

21:35

junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue.

21:35

look into volcker, the problem he addressed, how he addressed it etc.

21:35

Haha, I like to play with this argument. If you want we can have it. I'll bite. What do you believe inflation to be?

21:35

us had inflation over 10% a year (not counting moimentary flareups of 1000% APY for a day or w/e) almost each decade.

21:36

depends on your definition of inflation. by my definition of inflation, the us experiences about 15% a year, on average, since 2000. that's exacerbating over time, so 2015 may well see 30%+

21:38

Ok. So let's work with those numbers. At 10% per year for over a decade, what you're claiming is that the basket of goods you would be purchasing would have increased abotu 3x in the last decade.

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<mircea_popescu> junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. << But for the lizards who got to see their cocaine prices drop nearly six fold over 3 decades...

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Hahaha

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junseth roughly.

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behold : i declare my basket.

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Hahaha

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the most entertaining aspect is the gymnastics carried out so u.s. folks can say 'ahahah, inflation 30% but where then is the $30/gl. petrol'

21:39

take three houses in the top 10% land value areas of the country, take college funds for twelve children.

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and a few other massive 'rob peter to pay paul' operations around which the entire orchestra revolves

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divide the sum of this basked in 1965 with the sum of this basket today

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take into account the incredible decay in quality

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I mean, if what you usually purchase is 3x more expensive now than it was a decade ago, I am baffled.

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(hey, if the usg is pretending like increases in quality wash inflation away, same argument can be used the other way too)

21:39

and you'll notice we're looking at 10x not 3x.

21:40

so : five to ten as bad college today as compared to 1965, which costs 100k instead of 10k. this is about 50x to 100x factor.

21:41

I mean, this purported decay in quality involves the development of computers in your hand, cheaper foods a la GMOs (Norman Borlaug), and other nonesuch.

21:41

much shittier houses today than in 1965, about a margin of 2 to 3, that cost... 30x more, just about.

21:41

no.

21:41

the purported decay in quality involves specifically this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ

21:41

MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNGwGK )

21:41

RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different.

21:41

i am not discussing your idea of a fair metric.

21:41

i told you my metric. that's the metric.

21:42

if i go to the tailor and i tell him i want pants that are nine feet long, he doesn't get to tell me pant length is not a fair metric.

21:42

!up junseth

21:43

fact remains you ARE stuck paying for college. and you are stuck paying for "owning" a "house".

21:43

compared to this, i couldn't care less what ipads cost.

21:43

seeing how i don't use them anyway.

21:43

Hahaha. Well, fair enough. Give me a few minutes. I have to leave my office. I'll come back and do more of this.

21:43

no rush

21:43

the b-a is eternal.

21:44

21:41:40 <+junseth> RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. << you're wrong.

21:45

asciilifeform what boggles most about those gymnastics is the fact that somehow the same people don't link the dots between "unaffordable health care" and "inflation". isn't this strange ?

21:45

I will say this though, I am a very strong believer in the Chicago school of economics which says that deep markets are efficient. So, inflation, for me, tends to be uninetresting, because you can very very easily hedge against it.

21:45

this is at best naive.

21:45

markets are only efficient if they exist

21:45

the us hasn't had a market economy for a century now.

21:45

It might be. I invite you to explain why it's naive. If you can tell me your inputs, I can tell you why I agree or disagree.

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^

21:46

ballet is not "an efficient market", for instance. even if it exists, phenomenologically.

21:46

not everything that happens to be perceptible is automatically a free market by virtue of that.

21:46

a play about the free market, for instance, is not itself a free market.

21:47

junseth: if the bond market is 'efficient' (for example), why does it seem to oscillate between 'rally' and 'sell-off' seemingly dependent on how the fed might act?

21:50

pretty good podcast http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html >" But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people want.' I think ontologically, that is, in

21:50

" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaWGJh )

21:50

terms of existence, the idea of the will of the people is a genie or will o' the wisp, that we shouldn't really believe in. But for technical reasons, that notion of outcomes being the will of the people, we should be very skeptical about."

21:50

anyways ill bbl.

21:57

asciilifeform: re: official platform > I agree, it would be useful if a single build platform

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I suggest perhaps i486 on freebsd

21:59

wat

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!up junseth

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Thanks

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if you register a gpg key with assbot, i'm sure someone here will give you a +1 which would let you voice yourself, and that lasts longer than 30 minutes

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One second, let me catch up

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i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, and it has the advantage of being still 'executable' on modern cpus

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That's a very good idea. I'll do taht probably a little later tonight.

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I really should have done it a long time ago

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<decimation> i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, <<< ahahahhahahahahaha.

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mmm, no.

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(and don't forget the chipset, bus, etc. idiocies.)

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well, it's simpler than 'pentium'

22:03

well, i386 is dumb because it lacks floating point

22:03

failing that I was thinking mips with some variant of solaris

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RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.

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i don't think the argument posed was that they don't work, but that the U.S. hasn't had one for the last century

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^

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junseth: how does the market 'work' when it's being systematically manipulated in ways that the participants cannot readily observe?

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decimation: solaris?!!!!?

22:11

wtf

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heh

22:11

I'm referring to the now defunct 'open solaris'

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it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade'

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-12-2014#946855

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Logged on 06-12-2014 04:36:48; asciilifeform: solaris was a perfectly-legit unix

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i demand fewest bytes - period

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because will eventually have to read the disasm.

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unless one of you volunteer.

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in that case, a simple instruction set is a boon

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*

asciilifeform has a confession to make

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*

asciilifeform bought a 2-sided laser printer and printed 0.5.3

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*

asciilifeform could no more resist this.

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!b 3

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Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P92P3F.txt )

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heh

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for bedroom, for now, eventually it will join the bookcase full of similar 3rings

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asciilifeform: did you colorize it

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decimation: What do you define as "manipulation?"

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<decimation> it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' << Thing is also huge, bloated

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nope

22:17

no color

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traditional b&w printer

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BingoBoingo: ah but it has functional 'dtrace'

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decimation: Do you want to make sense of ZFS turd?

22:17

junseth: well, in the simple case, the quantity of dollars that are 'allowed' to exist

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zfs isn't needed to boot

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asciilifeform unlike BingoBoingo, is not enamoured of 1980s commercial unixen

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even if 'opened' posthumously

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asciilifeform: well, what would you suggest? buildroot?

22:19

junseth, see also the arbitrary banning of various goods

22:19

Solaris in all likelyhood far too heavy and greasy to adapt to embedable minimalism

22:19

buildroot.

22:20

on 486?

22:20

on mips

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unrelated,

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decimation: junseth: and the subsidy of various "goods"

22:21

i have the arm turd from the failed test (see earlier listserv post) running on 'arch'

22:21

Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.

22:21

105300+ and no oom

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junseth: I'm a "bitcoiner" to see central banking go extinct

22:22

its a standard skull'n'crossbone orphanage burner with max cap set to 25

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and non-rollovering debug.log

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nice

22:23

^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over?

22:23

surely not satoshi ?

22:23

why even have it, if it randomly loses itself

22:23

"a finite amount of log should be good enough for anybody"

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trinque: I don't know many Bitcoiners who would disagree. I'm just less vehement about that happening. I think Bitcoin is better money.

22:23

ah yes, good habit to cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log between each restart

22:23

junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have a system that

22:23

was even more stable in purchasing power. But in retrospect, the variations in the purchasing power of the dollar under the classical gold standard were trivial compared to what it's been under the post-gold-standard period, the fiat dollar standard. "

22:24

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/03/lawrence_h_whit.html

22:24

" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/19QrLDS )

22:25

junseth, bitcoin is better money because of its decentralized nature

22:25

oh thank god there's a transcript

22:26

mats: yeah it's a good episode, I recommend it

22:26

Do you think that Bitocin would be better if it were backed by gold or silver?

22:26

such a thing makes no sense

22:26

!up KatelynTaylor

22:26

what would that even entail?

22:26

KatelynTaylor

whats better AMD or Intel?

22:27

KatelynTaylor

what can run bitcoin better?

22:27

!down meowmix

22:27

^ the above is lifted out of a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking

22:27

!down KatelynTaylor

22:27

dearphuq.

22:27

!down KatelynTaylor meowmix

22:27

market maker offers exchange for metallics?

22:27

danielbparron, Well, I would say that electronic, non-government controlled money is better money. Bitcoin's decentralization lets us take advantage of those better features. Previous attempts at using what we all agreed would have been better were shutdown because they were centralized.

22:27

'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death'

22:28

junseth, bitcoin is inherently valuable; it needs nothing else to back it

22:28

!s gold

22:28

1853 results for 'gold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gold

22:28

i like gold; i'd hapily accept gold coins in some sort of local economy

22:28

I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better.

22:29

RE: Bitcoin's inherent value, I agree.

22:29

but i'd keep my savings in bitcoin, using it to replentish my gold coins on a monthly basis or something

22:29

sort of like how a car with a built-in stove would be better

22:29

junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots.

22:30

car-stove sounds good

22:30

how many nerve cells does it take to understand that a random net derp cannot back X with Y, for any value of x or y

22:30

junseth: the kinds of folks who would 'fall' for those scams are generally not the kind who are going to matter in bitcoin over the long term

22:30

hahaha, absolutely true.

22:30

nor would he, if could

22:30

bitcoin is a fiat currency, but is also radically decentralized

22:31

but its foundation of trust lies fully in its protocol and specification

22:31

which is why the work of the foundation is so important

22:31

!up junseth

22:32

:) Haha. I agree with all of that.

22:32

I would be willing to bet a lot of money that we agree on almost everything Bitcoin ,an dprobably disagree a lot about how markets work.

22:33

junseth: do you believe that it is appropriate to use the word 'market' to describe a system where the crown is the single largest economic actor ?

22:35

Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is a market.

22:36

junseth: how about a puppet show where kermit the frog 'buys' a bag of 'fuzzies' from miss piggy ?

22:36

is that also a 'market' ?

22:36

if not, why not ?

22:36

nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place

22:37

haha, a market of two people is a market.

22:37

a market of two things is a market

22:37

Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is a market or not

22:37

how about n people and one demented omnipotent monster who can eat them at will.

22:37

so the word means nothing

22:40

junseth: are two male chimps in a cage a viable ecosystem?

22:40

Haha, well a market is a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like a lot of things. But a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing.

22:40

Hahaha. Are they intelligent enough to make trades and transact?

22:41

words have -meanings.'

22:41

didn't say transact

22:41

junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets

22:41

asciilifeform: ok let's say you employ buildroot. which kernel? which gcc/glib?

22:42

decimation: 'easy' - the ones that -work-.

22:42

heh

22:42

the kernel, for what it's worth, is not a sticking point.

22:43

I would suggest a redhat-patched gcc actually

22:43

ick

22:43

why

22:44

well, they follow exactly the method you advocate

22:44

what method would that be

22:44

if you look at the contents of a src.rpm it's a collection of patches with the original tarball

22:44

redhat is more or less the last thing i want to use for anything linux-related.

22:44

it is indelibly stained.

22:45

I get it, but a patch is a patch

22:45

for what do i need these stooges' patches ?

22:45

certainly I'm not saying that they should be taken on redhat's name alone

22:45

what the hell is wrong with naked, classical gcc.

22:45

straight from rms's arse

22:45

well, many of them are probably not useful in the context of buildroot

22:45

lol

22:46

but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about

22:46

i don't want any redhat patches. if were any good, would have made it back into mainline.

22:46

i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...

22:46

i admit that many of them are probably useful bugfixes that are backported

22:47

i do not want them in a lake, i do not want them on the stake, ...

22:48

redhat is used in many places

22:48

perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite a bit of 'fix this shit'

22:48

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asciilifeform has used, did not like.

22:49

because, aside from the authorship,

22:49

it is neither minimal, nor clean, nor self-reconstructing.

22:50

asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot

22:51

"junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets" I'm not sure what you mean. Can you

22:51

expound.

22:53

I suppose my overall point is that if the build target is 'frozen', someone is gonna have to maintain the infrastructure

22:53

so one can take advantage of that which exists already commercially, or 'do it self'

22:55

enouhg monkey-football for one weekend

22:55

nite

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00027538 = 13.4936 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00027 = 6.615 BTC [-]

~ 25 minutes ~

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;;later tell mircea_popescu broadcast sent

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The operation succeeded.

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turdogram!

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eh?

23:31

s.nsa broadcast

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mircea_popescu kindly decruftifies them for me before they are posted.

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ah

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re: discussion about paper keys < I wonder if a set of symbols in combination with a very simple 'ocr' algorithm might work

23:34

'simple' ocr ?!!!

23:35

well, think q-r code

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which isn't terribly simple, I admit

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decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081008 << see recent thread

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Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu.

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asciilifeform does not like qr code

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ah I agree

23:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50721 @ 0.00027763 = 14.0817 BTC [+] {3}

23:39

but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey a 4096 bit rsa privkey

23:42

braille?

23:42

well, there is some precedent for embedded devices reading optical codes - the checkout counter

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decimation remembers 'light wand' attached to a serial terminal he once used as a clerk

23:51

https://medium.com/@beautyon_/grundsaudaag-jour-de-la-marmotte-ground-hog-day-8570677dd90b

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Grundsaudaag. Jour de la Marmotte. Ground Hog Day — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNDw01 )

23:52

I have no doubt that these same people, had you enthusiastically said to them, "Your 64MB flash drive will hold a 64GB in a few years and cost less!" would have scoffed at the idea. The same thing is happening with Bitcoin. Men who know nothing about software are scoffing at the idea that Bitcoin can change and improve. Its an a-historical perspective, to use parliamentary language. On IRC, they simply say, "DERP!".

23:52

^ from the guy who came into b-a to register in the gribble WoT post-fork

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I would have believed it

23:53

I am still waiting for my hovercar

23:57

It is only now that Edward Snowden has confirmed that GPG is beyone the reach of the NSA, that their ignorant anti GPG nonsense is forever dispelled as garbage.

23:59

They are very short and terse in the text (just as the Bitcoin White Paper is) and you are invited to run the software yourself. The install process is simple, and then the software either does what it developers claim it does, or it does not. Its all simple and straightforward.

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