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← 2015-02-27 | 2015-03-01 → ↓
00:00 asciilifeform or, going back to more familiar ground, the microcode update key perma-baked into all intel cpu since '95
00:02 asciilifeform or the locations of all x,xxx nato arms caches in ru and eastern eu
00:02 asciilifeform etc.
00:02 asciilifeform could go on, but i'm not a novelist, just trying to make a point
00:02 mircea_popescu seems arbitrary.
00:02 asciilifeform basic idea is, a mortal wound
00:02 asciilifeform rather than just disfiguring
00:02 asciilifeform to usg.
00:02 mircea_popescu suppose you're 13, and suppose you're hot for mary sue, and suppose i am invisible, and suppose i steal her diary.
00:03 asciilifeform aha?
00:03 mircea_popescu is your argument going to be that "unless it shows her naked fucking a satellite it's not truely a diary" ?
00:03 mircea_popescu 13yo girls don't normally take that sorta footage.
00:03 asciilifeform but usg does
00:03 mircea_popescu notrly.
00:03 asciilifeform has private keys just like you and i
00:03 mircea_popescu you think it does, because to your starstruck eyes this 13 yo girl is like ... madonna.
00:03 mircea_popescu only better.
00:04 mircea_popescu except... she's a dumb 13 yo with barel yany tits, that nobody but you would even notice.
00:04 decimation note that usg only gains superpowers when she's trying to conduct a worldwide coordinated deception
00:04 asciilifeform to run with the analogy, she's the 'fat kid with rich father'
00:04 asciilifeform from mircea_popescu's earlier article
00:05 asciilifeform usg is running on two centuries of plunder and exuberant technowankery, from which, granted, only fumes remain in the tank
00:05 mircea_popescu eh... here's the caper : if she were, for a weird reason, the fucking queen of terrania
00:05 asciilifeform kid may be so far he's spherical, but father was very, very rich.
00:05 mircea_popescu it'd be because everyone's so saying, not for any other reason.
00:05 asciilifeform *so fat
00:05 mircea_popescu if they change their mind... you're left holding up a very scared 13 yo.
00:06 mircea_popescu one that THINKS it used to do things to "make" everyone bla bla.
00:06 mircea_popescu and then splat she goes
00:06 mircea_popescu on the asphalt.
00:06 asciilifeform might check under the bed and see if the red button's still connected to something, before splat ?
00:07 * mircea_popescu jew waves
00:09 decimation meanwhile actual usg can't even coordinate its own aircraft in its own airspace http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/tech/2015/02/25/cherry-point-assumes-air-traffic-control-responsibilities/23948767/
00:09 assbot FAA hands local air traffic control to MCAS Cherry Point ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwkPXw )
00:10 asciilifeform when the last usg fighter runs headlong into the last usg bomber, and the fireball takes out their last aerial tanker, we can say 'can't'
00:11 asciilifeform http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/media/cinematic/video/24106461 << unrelated to above but relevant to BingoBoingo's article
00:11 assbot Cops: MO candidate dies of self-inflicted gunshot wound ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwl3hs )
00:12 asciilifeform ^ with alleged audio
00:13 decimation maybe he was in the cherry business too
00:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30642 @ 0.00039134 = 11.9914 BTC [-] {2}
00:22 asciilifeform or why stick to boring old kinetic killing machines;
00:22 asciilifeform let's learn whether - and how - noblis corp. molested the britneychain.
00:24 asciilifeform or say a shipment of petahash's worth of usg-commissioned miners sailing from taiwan ends up in hands of 'isis' because of a leaked key
00:24 asciilifeform then - yes, leaks like sieve
00:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu remarked, iirc, that i'm living in berlin circa '44, but it looks rather more like '38 here.
00:29 asciilifeform where's the stalingrad, damnit.
00:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67651 @ 0.00039532 = 26.7438 BTC [+]
00:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://libverse.ru/korzhavin/trybachi.html << relevant to thread
00:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwo80R )
00:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: say later if were able to digest it. otherwise i might have to attempt a transl.
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00039532 = 6.167 BTC [+]
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19949 @ 0.00039532 = 7.8862 BTC [+]
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11487 @ 0.00040318 = 4.6313 BTC [+]
00:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101642 @ 0.00040318 = 40.98 BTC [+]
01:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73550 @ 0.00040318 = 29.6539 BTC [+]
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01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0003913 = 10.839 BTC [-]
02:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135350 @ 0.00040318 = 54.5704 BTC [+]
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02:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65050 @ 0.00039469 = 25.6746 BTC [-]
02:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i get a general idea
02:36 mircea_popescu guy wants a magic trumpet to make enemies stand out from friends.
02:36 asciilifeform xlating now
02:36 asciilifeform tough cookie, this one
02:41 mircea_popescu well im off, tomorro.
02:41 asciilifeform seeya
02:41 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/4a63527f5a90fd698739f30285fe0ba0/tumblr_mmoapj3TvS1rnhnkmo1_1280.jpg i leave you with the gift of dulap.
02:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wvpYJH )
02:42 asciilifeform sssschhhlink!
02:42 asciilifeform l0l
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02:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00040318 = 2.2175 BTC [+]
03:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2971 @ 0.00040318 = 1.1978 BTC [+]
03:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50508 @ 0.00040353 = 20.3815 BTC [+]
03:14 cazalla well, this is an interesting article inc
03:23 cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/
03:23 assbot CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Killed In Thailand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4RNAD )
03:25 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/
03:25 fluffypony cazalla: <blockquote> tags
03:26 cazalla refresh, fixed it, reverted to an earlier draft for some reason
03:26 fluffypony kk
03:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60350 @ 0.00040381 = 24.3699 BTC [+] {2}
03:30 cazalla you don't see them now do you fluffypony ?
03:30 fluffypony no all fixed
03:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94184 @ 0.00039525 = 37.2262 BTC [-] {2}
03:49 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1UGC9WT4 << translation
03:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4So56 )
03:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:53 asciilifeform eh, what the hell, it's ~1kb
03:53 asciilifeform 'The Buglers' (Noam Korzhavin, 1955.)
03:53 asciilifeform (original http://libverse.ru/korzhavin/trybachi.html.
03:53 assbot Страница не найдена ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4Sr0S )
03:53 asciilifeform English translation brought to you by #bitcoin-assets.)
03:53 asciilifeform Since childhood I've dreamed that a bugler would blow,
03:53 asciilifeform We'll wake and hear hoofbeats a-thundering go,
03:53 asciilifeform You'll learn who is who, and the truth cannot hide:
03:53 asciilifeform Your foes straight ahead, and your friends - at your side.
03:53 asciilifeform And then aeroplanes pierced the night with a roar,
03:53 asciilifeform And buglers were blowing their bugles once more,
03:53 asciilifeform Tachankas [1] and cannon did roll through the mud,
03:53 asciilifeform And heroes awakened, and out poured their blood,
03:53 asciilifeform With thunderous valor, all those years did shine
03:53 asciilifeform Yet still I would wait for some obvious sign.
03:53 asciilifeform I thought I saw all - but blind have I been,
03:53 asciilifeform As betwixt our friends did our foes scurry in.
03:53 asciilifeform And many a foe was within our own ranks,
03:53 asciilifeform And sometimes - they carried the flags at our flanks.
03:54 asciilifeform Life hits me hard, knocks me out of the ring.
03:54 asciilifeform But still I shall wait for my bugle to sing.
03:54 asciilifeform Though truth does not fade, and my conscience won't go
03:54 asciilifeform But days turn to years, yet that bugler won't blow.
03:54 asciilifeform And as old age draws near, will I remain strong,
03:54 asciilifeform And dream till I die, of the bugler's bright song?
03:54 asciilifeform But what if to blow it ourselves is our lot?
03:54 asciilifeform Since we, only we, are the buglers we've got.
03:54 asciilifeform [1] Who doesn't know, can look it up.
03:54 asciilifeform Approximately - chariot, but with Maxim gun.
03:56 asciilifeform damn, now i forget why i did this.
03:56 * asciilifeform to bed
04:05 punkman maybe we need poetry.b-a.link ;)
04:06 punkman interesting http://wiki.osdev.org/Ada_Bare_bones
04:06 assbot Ada Bare bones - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4SHgu )
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05:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23636 @ 0.00040098 = 9.4776 BTC [+]
05:15 jurov <asciilifeform> where's the stalingrad, damnit. << since usg is in hybrid warfare mostly with itself... no stalingrad possibly recognizable in that mess
05:18 jurov or maybe it was 9/11 already?
05:28 kakobrekla that alfs translation somehow lead me to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kiml-N0ExU , seems full version.
05:28 assbot Огненные версты / The Fiery Miles - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AEoyBW )
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06:00 punkman http://ctext.org/mozi
06:00 assbot Mozi - Chinese Text Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1aAtrCr )
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09:03 danielpbarron height=236104 vs height=194761
09:03 danielpbarron sata: height=236104 usb3: height=233770
09:04 danielpbarron usb3 might be slower than 5400 rpm
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09:39 fluffypony welp, CEO of Bitcoin killed again: http://i.imgur.com/bIUctbS.jpg
09:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zq9EdD )
09:40 * danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large Qntra
09:41 fluffypony no I read the article on Qntra, this is the media getting it wrong again
09:42 danielpbarron oh lol "CEO of Bitcoin"
09:49 * adlai slaps danielpbarron around a bit with a ra qnt
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10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124859 @ 0.00038932 = 48.6101 BTC [-] {2}
10:22 chetty media and wrong should be synonyms
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11:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193392 @ 0.00038709 = 74.8601 BTC [+] {2}
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240008 @ 0.00040724 = 97.7409 BTC [+] {6}
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11:36 mircea_popescu i like how asciilifeform makes notes to point out that hey, you could be looking this up :D
11:37 mircea_popescu (btw, you should prolly put that up on yoru blog. pastes are temporary)
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12:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform too late. http://trilema.com/2015/hai-c-am-furat-un-negativ/
12:22 assbot Hai c-am furat un negativ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZL3HI )
12:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00039456 = 10.2191 BTC [-]
12:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00039953 = 28.886 BTC [+]
12:40 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/hai-c-am-furat-un-negativ/
12:49 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
12:49 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/anti-integrity-advocates-push-netflix-to-break-contracts/
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13:06 mircea_popescu cazalla a) killed is a little misleading, traditionally "died" is the word for accidental death ; b) isn't this teppy of dragon tale / tale in the desert fame ?
13:09 BingoBoingo b) that just might be
13:12 BingoBoingo a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently
13:12 BingoBoingo ;;google killed in one car accident
13:12 gribble '60 Minutes' correspondent Bob Simon dies in car accident - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/11/us/bob-simon-dies/>; Woman killed after 3 vehicle accident on the Mass Pike | WWLP.com: <http://wwlp.com/2015/02/26/one-car-crash-on-mass-pike-in-westfield-injuries-reported/>; Bruce Jenner in Horrible Car Crash -- 1 Person Dead | TMZ.com: <http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/07/bruce- (1 more message)
13:13 BingoBoingo dies or died probably the better word though
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13:31 chetty yep, Andrew Tepper, A Tale in the Desert and Dragon Tales
13:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70404 @ 0.00039914 = 28.1011 BTC [-]
13:42 thestringpuller "i dont think its a good idea to go poking around the profiles of the dead on reddit."
13:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33154 @ 0.00039914 = 13.2331 BTC [-]
13:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69296 @ 0.00039953 = 27.6858 BTC [+]
13:52 chetty oh hey no different Tepper, Adam not Andrew :P
13:53 thestringpuller http://ninasays.so/howdoyoudoit/
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14:33 thestringpuller ;;ticker
14:33 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.72, Best ask: 252.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 252.17, 24 hour volume: 6891.50924384, 24 hour low: 245.2, 24 hour high: 256.15, 24 hour vwap: 252.06286089
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37818 @ 0.00038745 = 14.6526 BTC [+]
14:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00038745 = 18.2683 BTC [+]
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00039043 = 9.9169 BTC [+]
15:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102700 @ 0.00040151 = 41.2351 BTC [+] {2}
15:20 cazalla <BingoBoingo> a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently <<< that was my thinking, was not an intentional click bait title as some alleged
15:26 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
15:26 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution/
15:27 cazalla maybe it's an aussie thing to use killed for violent deaths, i am not the only one.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-28/bitcoin-ceo-adam-tepper-killed-in-thailand/6271440 http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-killed-in-thailand-identified-as-independent-reserve-ceo-20150228-13rmqe.html
15:27 assbot Adam Tepper, Bitcoin trader and CEO of Independent Reserve, killed in motorcycle accident in Phuket - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTrV9 )
15:27 assbot Australian killed in Thailand identified as Independent Reserve CEO ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTqjT )
15:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo turns out that one's andrew not adam, my bad
15:30 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution/ << bwahaha
15:30 assbot Police Chief Arrested for Soliciting Prostitution | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTZdp )
15:38 mod6 !t m s.mpoe
15:38 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00038286 / 0.0003987 / 0.00041666 (5126534 shares, 2,044.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00035757 / 0.00040127 / 0.00048515 (19982463 shares, 8,018.43 BTC), 30D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039709 / 0.00048515 (95164556 shares, 37,789.00 BTC)
15:39 mod6 well, I'm back. :]
15:39 * mod6 catches up on logs.
15:44 mircea_popescu wb!
15:44 ben_vulpes how was vaycay?
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00040436 = 16.134 BTC [+]
15:47 mod6 thanks, good!
15:47 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> [04:32] what does ben_vulpes do with his apple boxen? just throws them out when disk fills ? << generally, backup disk, format, give to pets and or repurpose as misc. computing devices around the house/office.
15:47 ben_vulpes it's an abysmal cycle.
15:47 mod6 haven't had any time off in like... 8 years.
15:51 mod6 i don't think i've ever been 3 days behind on logs. lol.
15:51 * mod6 keeps reading
15:51 thestringpuller mod6: doesn't like #b-a people
15:52 mircea_popescu mod6 past week or so hasnt been all that terrible.
15:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00039498 = 16.1152 BTC [-]
15:52 mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, not too bad. lot of trades tho!
15:52 mod6 thestringpuller: what?
15:53 mod6 lol, always tryin to troll me.
15:55 thestringpuller it's cause you changed my life with da jeezy
15:55 thestringpuller trap or die!
16:02 mod6 :P
16:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00039498 = 11.3754 BTC [-]
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17:03 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/trubach.txt << permalink for my barbaric translation from last night
17:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3EUcr )
17:03 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu has a prettified one on his site
17:11 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nsa-cia-scs-implant-cafe.jpg << mega-l0l!
17:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aoy8E9 )
17:13 asciilifeform ^ a snowdenism featured a cellar where nsa likes to open mail, plant bugs in routers, etc. there was an outside shot. someone appears to have found it on 'google earth' and is now marked
17:13 asciilifeform will soon have reviews! likely
17:13 asciilifeform 'best bug, great service'
17:15 chetty someone should start returning the favor
17:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00040436 = 17.711 BTC [+]
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17:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%BC_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 << he's alive!
17:40 assbot Коржавин, Наум Моисеевич — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1BrcF33 )
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51626 @ 0.00039494 = 20.3892 BTC [-]
17:42 asciilifeform ^ funnily enough, after being let go from gulag, he earned his living for many years as a translator.
17:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://poetrylibrary.ru/stixiya/korzhavin-1.html#osvobodite-zhenschinu-ot << almost like he wrote this one just for you
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18:06 decimation http://cryptome.org/2015/02/roark-103.pdf < BingoBoingo this might make an interesting story
18:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOxGjx )
18:06 decimation you have a PACER account don't you?
18:08 BingoBoingo decimation: I'll give it another read. Maybe you could give a writeup a try since you seem to have a hook for it.
18:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8125 @ 0.00040436 = 3.2854 BTC [+]
18:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00040637 = 18.1444 BTC [+]
18:10 ben_vulpes http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/nyregion/3-men-in-brooklyn-charged-supporting-isis.html?_r=0
18:10 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOy5SX )
18:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: we did this one here
18:11 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2015#1035148
18:11 assbot Logged on 27-02-2015 01:24:58; asciilifeform: usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock
18:11 asciilifeform (see rest of thread)
18:12 chetty must remind us how much we need dhs
18:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10025 @ 0.00040731 = 4.0833 BTC [+]
18:13 asciilifeform https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/14059875162_dda7c1c05f.jpg << unrelated
18:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOyk0i )
18:17 asciilifeform incidentally, uzbek translator for usg must be a killer gig
18:17 asciilifeform doubtful that there's more than a handful of them
18:17 asciilifeform probably 'name own price'
18:18 asciilifeform esp. if you consider that they have to be 'cleared', (nominally) loyaltied, etc
18:20 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: harumph
18:22 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the interesting thing is that so far they use that and only that kind of 'feedstock'
18:23 asciilifeform (borderline retards, no money, no alibi, no lawyer, plenty of 'damning six words written by honest man')
18:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55816 @ 0.0004009 = 22.3766 BTC [-] {2}
18:24 asciilifeform though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal
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18:24 asciilifeform the only thing better than a generic imbecile is one with a titanic bag of benjies under his car seat
18:25 asciilifeform (local police chief's 'porsche' won't buy itself!)
18:30 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'porsche' << civil forfeiture, not terrism.
18:30 asciilifeform two tastes that go great together (TM)
18:30 asciilifeform esp. once the maggots are done with the rotting flesh (above tale and similar) and start on the living meat
18:31 asciilifeform i.e. the folks with houses, jobs, savings (miracle!), bitcoin
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86846 @ 0.00040909 = 35.5278 BTC [+] {2}
18:31 asciilifeform right now is 'easy going' because the polizei are only expected to deliver up carcasses for the show trials, rather than revenue
18:32 asciilifeform when it's a+b - then the 'fun' starts
18:32 ben_vulpes why bother? just print more.
18:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: may as well ask, why tax
18:33 ben_vulpes politically useful. see the routine audits of whoever's not in power.
18:33 asciilifeform answer is that the machine doesn't work if run on 100% bzollar
18:33 asciilifeform gotta have some actual petrol in that water
18:33 asciilifeform for engine to run.
18:33 ben_vulpes confiscation isn't likely to compare with taxes pulled in from payrol..
18:33 ben_vulpes payroll*.
18:33 asciilifeform depends on what is confiscated, and from whom
18:34 asciilifeform not simply a matter of balance sheet, either.
18:34 ben_vulpes what, then?
18:34 asciilifeform some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house
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18:34 ben_vulpes there are no ethnic minorities around here, and won't be for another decade easily.
18:34 asciilifeform just example.
18:35 ben_vulpes sure.
18:35 ben_vulpes even then, there's miles of pressed shitboard that can yet be erected.
18:35 asciilifeform can be erected by whom ?
18:35 asciilifeform paid in what ?
18:35 ben_vulpes why go through the trouble of confiscating, when again, funds for disbursement to the 'blessed poor' can be routed to the homebuilders?
18:35 ben_vulpes 'opportunity grants'
18:35 ben_vulpes tax credits for sales to favorite sons.
18:36 asciilifeform basic hypothesis here: the machine is still burning fat, rather than own muscle, while what is being stolen is the surplus
18:36 asciilifeform when it is the principal - the physical shortages begin
18:36 asciilifeform and things turn openly soviet
18:37 ben_vulpes is orlov's account of the soviet collapse halfway accurate?
18:37 ben_vulpes 'reinventing collapse'?
18:37 asciilifeform 100% accurate, allowing for survivor bias
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152437 @ 0.00041127 = 62.6928 BTC [+]
18:38 asciilifeform (the folks who got the worst of it, are not here and are certainly not writing books in engl.)
18:38 asciilifeform he devotes a few pages to them.
18:38 ben_vulpes i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked.
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18:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: then read mr o's 'post-soviet lessons' at the very least
18:39 asciilifeform it's on www.
18:39 asciilifeform if you like dead tree, it's 'reinventing collapse', 'hold your applause', and 'the five stages of collapse' in that order.
18:39 ben_vulpes i shall
18:40 asciilifeform (personal recommendation. his later stuff, i'm not a fan of, anarchoprimitivism is not my cup of poison)
18:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2013#429514
18:40 assbot Logged on 22-12-2013 19:11:43; asciilifeform: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml
18:41 asciilifeform ^ parts 2 and 3 in same thread below there.
18:46 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: basic observation (by no means mine! or even solely orlov's) is that collapse comes 'in fits.' for example, at the moment it did not occur to you to think that obtaining drywall or labourers to knock together a 'shitboard' house, could ever be problematic
18:46 asciilifeform just as you might think, while driving car, that you might run out of fuel, but not out of air
18:47 asciilifeform there is actually a small drywall (sheets) factory not far from where i live
18:47 asciilifeform dingiest, most run-down industrial landscape one could hope to meet
18:47 asciilifeform first few times i walked past it, was convinced that it was abandoned
18:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can read russian poetry a lot better once someone's conveniently done 99% of the work, found the equivalents, set out the rhyming scheme etc
18:47 asciilifeform but then, one time after sundown, saw the lights
18:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'll do that one next, quite possibly
18:48 asciilifeform when shiva hand or two frees up for a spell
18:48 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> probably 'name own price' << yeah, right. usg would rather have google translated material by some crafty armenian at "pay grade" than pay what competent guy asks.
18:48 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and the factory churns on, because the trucks carrying gypsum come on schedule, the roughnecks show up, etc
18:49 asciilifeform but what if one of the ingredients went missing. or hiccuped.
18:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036312 << "we only pick fighters we know we can put the fear of god in".
18:50 assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 23:24:13; asciilifeform: though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal
18:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: translators... armenian << actually usg translator racket is - traditionally - ultra-lucrative. complete with own boom'n'bust cycles
18:50 mircea_popescu you ever seen that film ?
18:50 asciilifeform which
18:50 mircea_popescu miller's crossing.
18:50 mircea_popescu must see.
18:50 * asciilifeform adds to list
18:50 mircea_popescu put it at the top, tis great.
18:51 asciilifeform was that the one where 'i'm not selling a license to shoot bookies today'
18:51 mircea_popescu you ain't bought a license to kill bookies, and today i ain't sellin' any.
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18:51 asciilifeform ^
18:51 mircea_popescu so take yer flunkie an' dangle.
18:51 asciilifeform aha!
18:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00041197 = 6.8387 BTC [+]
18:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036333 << so soviet.
18:53 assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 23:34:24; asciilifeform: some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house
18:54 asciilifeform why not 'so french' or - hell - 'so roman'
18:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036352 << keep a harem, of women that have no children, no pity and can shoot.
18:54 assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 23:38:48; ben_vulpes: i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked.
18:55 asciilifeform ^ works best on atomic dirigible
18:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because your folk's special alf :D
18:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32344 @ 0.00041197 = 13.3248 BTC [+] {2}
18:56 mircea_popescu btw i sent the archive.today guy a note, if he shows up him
18:56 asciilifeform what was this
18:56 mircea_popescu !s existential
18:56 assbot 15 results for 'existential' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=existential
18:57 mircea_popescu first hit
18:57 asciilifeform aha
18:57 asciilifeform found.
18:58 asciilifeform 'So far there has been only one issue with the text content: publishing of drug production recipes is illegal in Russia, so we received a request from the government agency to hide them from visitors from Russia (otherwise they would block the whole site). Visitors from other countries can see those pages.'
18:58 asciilifeform ^ lol
18:58 asciilifeform this is actually a thing
18:58 asciilifeform occasionally
19:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113953 @ 0.00040584 = 46.2467 BTC [-] {2}
19:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5397 @ 0.00039494 = 2.1315 BTC [-]
19:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's
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19:05 asciilifeform when it becomes a question of physical difficulty in obtaining any other way, or even prior - a symbolic but tasty bone thrown to folks who hate you for what you are - the confiscations.
19:07 ben_vulpes how do rentals fare in this model?
19:07 asciilifeform packed denser, repaired even more seldom, and again denser, and at geometrically climbing cost
19:08 ben_vulpes does the political power du jour really go so far as to entirely alienate the rentiers?
19:09 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996757 << obligatory thread
19:09 assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 04:09:15; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)
19:09 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the rentiers are swimming 'in chocolate' and happier than could ever wish
19:09 asciilifeform the renters - different story.
19:10 ben_vulpes 'chocolate'?
19:10 ben_vulpes i'm sure there's some fatalistic reasoning against buying property and renting it out in this scenario
19:10 asciilifeform 'gravy' in trad. engl. i think.
19:10 ben_vulpes aha.
19:11 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where i live, the rental racket is being rapidly rolled up by mega-conglomerates who specialize in building titanic blocks of communal flats
19:11 asciilifeform literally communal
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19:11 asciilifeform (see linked thread)
19:12 asciilifeform just a few hrs ago i drove past a street where they were knocking down, as we speak, sixteen or so blocks of rental houses
19:12 asciilifeform where mega-highrise kommunal flats will be built
19:12 asciilifeform these will be inhabited, incidentally, by chumps feeding the 'college' chumpatron
19:13 asciilifeform (the on-campus housing is packed to the gunnels)
19:14 asciilifeform these folks are being prepared, by the flats far more so than anything in the lecture halls, for how the rest of their lives will be lived.
19:14 asciilifeform if their luck holds.
19:15 ben_vulpes 'komunalki' < hm
19:15 ben_vulpes yeah.
19:15 ben_vulpes see also kibbutz
19:15 ben_vulpes ?
19:15 asciilifeform nah
19:15 asciilifeform kibbutz, kolhoz - had at least a nominal collective purpose
19:15 asciilifeform rather than straight cynical meat warehouse
19:16 asciilifeform the practical difference is that folks -work- at a kolhoz
19:16 asciilifeform not merely park their arses there
19:17 gabriel_laddel Incidentally, a friend of mine from Romania told me a story about what happened to his family's house during the communist revolution: It was seized, concrete was poured on the (expensive hardwood!) floors after it was stripped of any valuables.
19:17 gabriel_laddel Used for communal something-or-other
19:17 gabriel_laddel also the kibbutz is a voluntary arrangement afaik
19:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919411
19:17 assbot Logged on 13-11-2014 05:31:28; asciilifeform: 'Astolphe de Custine was brought up for a time by a faithful servant, living in penury with her in the only room of the Custine home that had not been looted and sealed off by Jacobin zealots and thieves.'
19:18 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: voluntary (nominally) for the adults, yes
19:20 asciilifeform outfits such as 'google', i'm told, are experimenting with bringing back the factory dormitory. which would have a bright future in usa, if there were any factories
19:21 gabriel_laddel the hell that googlers live in now is amusing
19:21 asciilifeform the hell they lived in from day one was always amusing
19:21 asciilifeform from safe distance
19:22 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607098 << relevant classic thread
19:22 assbot Logged on 06-04-2014 05:30:22; asciilifeform: one man's 300k is not the same as another's
19:23 gabriel_laddel hehe yeah
19:24 gabriel_laddel I've listened to my friends talk about their sibling's lives at google. They make (nominally) lots of money, but it all is consumed by the costs of living.
19:25 gabriel_laddel I think this "Stanislav Datskovskiy" guy has the right idea though...
19:25 gabriel_laddel Question for Mr. M:
19:25 gabriel_laddel In an "arbeit macht frei" world, will you - in particular - be permitted to busy yourself with writing unorthodox operating systems - or, for that matter, articles like this one? Or with carving wooden toys?
19:25 gabriel_laddel Who gets to become a "delicate aristocrat," dodging carving duty, and why?
19:25 gabriel_laddel Could we instead ask for concertina wire, mine fields, and automatic turrets separating the human beings - with their robotic plenty - from the zombies, with their decay and hunger for flesh?
19:25 gabriel_laddel Has anyone considered the possibility that the living dead are kept around, safe from the Soilent Green pot, encouraged to be fruitful and multiply, etc. precisely to help make arbeit macht frei ever so slowly more palatable to the remaining humans?
19:25 gabriel_laddel I hope you like carving toys (or demunging databases) for Mr. Altman and his ilk. Because that is what we'll both be doing soon enough. If permitted to live...
19:25 gabriel_laddel "Where do you want to go today?" To a Sharashka or garden-variety GULAG? Largely a matter of taste (and luck.)
19:25 gabriel_laddel from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/sam-altman-is-not-blithering-idiot.html
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19:25 assbot Unqualified Reservations: Sam Altman is not a blithering idiot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnlA1X )
19:25 asciilifeform l0l
19:25 * asciilifeform tries to recall what that was about
19:27 asciilifeform incidentally - and i am quite sure that mr mold would disagree - but he went to the precise place where i proclaimed he is doomed to go.
19:27 asciilifeform when his benjie bag ran dry.
19:27 gabriel_laddel the impotent bezzle-lords?
19:27 gabriel_laddel yeah
19:28 asciilifeform more specifically.
19:28 gabriel_laddel urbit it teh lameness
19:28 asciilifeform no more urbit circa '2010, and certainly no 'unqualified reservations', but urbit-flavoured webdev for arseappchatbookville.
19:29 gabriel_laddel "urbit-flavoured webdev" lol where?
19:29 asciilifeform why funded and by whom ?
19:29 asciilifeform watch his film (somebody filmed him pitching at a conference of one kind or another)
19:30 asciilifeform now, no one is at risk for having to do web dev in it
19:30 asciilifeform but as i gather the urbit folks are occupied primarily with pitching just this elaborate scam on the vc circuit
19:30 BingoBoingo reservations http://sexylosers.com/021.html
19:30 assbot #021 - The Strip From Hell ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnmvPY )
19:30 asciilifeform hence precious little time left over for actual work
19:31 gabriel_laddel I don't think it's a scam exactly... what they want is for nothing to change, and he provided it. :/
19:31 asciilifeform (of which, because of the braindamaged design, there is an inexhaustible amount)
19:33 gabriel_laddel "why funded and by whom ?" << I really can't figure this out, it's like the relationship the USG club have with the Saudis. *mumble mumble* ... little boys... *mumble mumble*
19:34 asciilifeform ^
19:34 asciilifeform aka 'merit wash'
19:34 gabriel_laddel The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
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19:34 asciilifeform but also a certain amount of 'sultan has infinite money, why shouldn't he sit down on a toilet of monocrystalline diamond, the costlier and more useless - the better'
19:34 asciilifeform why ru oligarchs buy british sport teams, without giving a damn whether it wins or loses, etc
19:35 asciilifeform see also mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' article.
19:35 gabriel_laddel Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...
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19:36 gabriel_laddel Also, I /don't like/ the macbook retina, fancy as it may be
19:36 asciilifeform the madness of the terminally bored is key to understanding much of what we spoke of here.
19:36 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i recently watched such a machine burst lcd for no discernible reason
19:36 asciilifeform right in front of me
19:37 gabriel_laddel lolol
19:37 asciilifeform apple wouldn't take it back.
19:37 asciilifeform it was roughly 2 wks old.
19:37 gabriel_laddel unsurprising. Mine would get extremely hot for no particular reason.
19:37 asciilifeform another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so
19:38 gabriel_laddel hahahahahaa
19:38 asciilifeform and - he'll be given an identical box.
19:38 asciilifeform because what's the alternative.
19:38 gabriel_laddel feminist computing, about as good as feministfim
19:38 gabriel_laddel feminist theater
19:39 gabriel_laddel (I have a $300 compaq that I prefer to any apple crapware - same one as MP iirc)
19:39 asciilifeform link?
19:39 gabriel_laddel http://www.amazon.com/CQ57-439WM-Presario-Dual-Core-Accelerated-Processor/dp/B007DXEOEU
19:39 assbot Amazon.com: Compaq CQ57-439WM 16-Inch Presario Laptop PC (AMD Dual-Core E-300 Accelerated Processor and Windows 7 Home Premium): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/18abSHy )
19:40 asciilifeform do all the peripherals - incl. gpu and power management module (e.g., suspend-to-ram) function without burping under linux/bsd ?
19:40 asciilifeform can i connect 10,000 x 8,000 of lcd acreage ?
19:40 gabriel_laddel I doubt it.
19:40 asciilifeform ecc ram ?
19:41 gabriel_laddel probably not
19:41 asciilifeform see where this is going ?
19:41 asciilifeform apple plays like monopolist because it -is- a monopoly
19:41 asciilifeform on portable unix box that sorta works
19:42 gabriel_laddel Yes. Someone needs to specify their requirements, then someone else needs to take a trip to china, find suppliers etc. and assemble somthing sane. Like system76, except not for Ubuntu crap
19:42 asciilifeform sane is countereconomic.
19:42 gabriel_laddel Nonsense.
19:42 asciilifeform who's gonna pay the $25K that thing will - inevitably - cost ?
19:43 gabriel_laddel http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html
19:43 assbot Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnplEL )
19:43 gabriel_laddel ^ you'll remember this
19:43 asciilifeform aha
19:43 asciilifeform or my own 'professional computing' article
19:43 gabriel_laddel sure.
19:44 gabriel_laddel Also, MP gave 20K to openBSD - there are people willing to fund such ventures.
19:44 asciilifeform incidentally, there is apparently a market for diamond-and-gold-encrusted but otherwise ordinary wintel laptops.
19:44 asciilifeform but not professional equipment. go figure.
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19:44 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: 20k is pocket change
19:44 asciilifeform in hardware biz
19:44 gabriel_laddel I agree. My point is that there is a market.
19:45 gabriel_laddel I'd happily pay 100k for a computer that actual /worked/
19:45 asciilifeform it wouldn't buy a (new) pick'n'place robot, for example, unless you go ultra-chinese
19:46 gabriel_laddel My point with the 20k is that there are individuals who are willing to fund such ventures. Yes, MP hasn't put up 5MM usd for sane computing, but afaik, no one has proposed such a plan to him.
19:46 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: problem is, the folks willing to be the 'pioneers with arrows in their back' would each have to pay 100M not 100K for the thing to happen.
19:47 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: possibly because i explained to him just what would be involved
19:47 gabriel_laddel I disagree. You want to do this in one fell swoop. There are other ways to go about it.
19:47 asciilifeform and how 5m wouldn't even appear as a droplet of rain in the seven seas.
19:47 asciilifeform this is probably where we are doomed to disagree.
19:47 gabriel_laddel If your goal is to do a chip level restart, one needn't start there, from a business perspective.
19:48 gabriel_laddel And yes, we probably are doomed to disagree.
19:48 asciilifeform i specifically assign the failure of each and every attempt to date with the notion that you can get to the moon by piling chairs.
19:48 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: well actually your observation is correct above: the only way to fund such a thing is to be obscenely successful in some entirely unrelated venture.
19:49 asciilifeform so quite right - one needn't (mustn't!) start there.
19:49 gabriel_laddel I'm glad to have communicated that.
19:49 asciilifeform but if that venture relates to computing in any way, you will probably render your brain unfit for the original mission.
19:50 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: after putting your brain through x86 etc. you're unable to think non-von neumann?
19:50 gabriel_laddel nonsense.
19:50 asciilifeform no
19:50 asciilifeform more abstract problem
19:51 gabriel_laddel do explain
19:51 asciilifeform when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it
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19:52 gabriel_laddel ! how did I end up doing this?
19:52 gabriel_laddel !s how did I end up doing this?
19:52 assbot 0 results for 'how did I end up doing this?' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=how+did+I+end+up+doing+this%3F
19:52 asciilifeform and no one will undo the 40 yrs of retardation who has reached this state
19:52 asciilifeform must be fueled by burning hatred for the way it all is
19:52 BingoBoingo "Cocaine Induced Brain Atrophy" is the obstacle
19:53 gabriel_laddel my search failed, but I specifically remember you complaining in here about what you currently do. You've been doing this for some time now iirc
19:53 asciilifeform for the 'a-students' who have all the crud memorized unthinkingly and 'are marketable'
19:53 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it << With regard to this
19:53 asciilifeform for the microshit and www stack shit eaters
19:53 asciilifeform etc
19:53 gabriel_laddel also, I've been doing this programming thing for going on 3 years - let me be clear - I /hate/ it.
19:53 asciilifeform keep hating.
19:53 gabriel_laddel cocaine causes your brain to atrophy?
19:53 asciilifeform it lets you know - you're still a man
19:55 gabriel_laddel related to "cocaine" - the only way I can do boring parsing tasks anymore is by drinking enough caffine to get high.
19:55 gabriel_laddel else it is simply far too boring
19:55 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: When you make your fortune on stupidity, the cocaine you can afford makes you liek the stupidity
19:55 asciilifeform prepare for the day when the dope doesn't work, the flesh had enough
19:55 asciilifeform ^ goes equally well for king and slave alike
19:56 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Could also be called yacht or pile of hookers induced brain atrophy
19:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00041283 = 7.7406 BTC [+]
19:56 gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: well yes, c does modify the rewards pathway, but one neednt do it.
19:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the next phase of the disease, as i understand, is to 'turn nero'
19:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: where do you suppose the legends of moneyed folks hunting bipedal prey in arizona, etc. come from ?
19:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Exactly
19:57 asciilifeform milder cases - fund urbits
19:57 gabriel_laddel ^ on the macro scale, far more damaging
19:58 asciilifeform believe or not, this actually happened in past empires
19:58 gabriel_laddel Hunting humans? Of course.
19:58 asciilifeform e.g., turkish eunuch having (decorative, naturally!) harems of their own, complete with... eunuch guards
19:59 asciilifeform speaking of multilevel parasitism here
19:59 asciilifeform hunting - sop
19:59 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2015-statement/
20:00 cazalla damn, you scooped that instantly scoopbot
20:04 gabriel_laddel Vaguely related to the conversation above, I'm hoping for a war sometime soon - they are a good way to go about separating content from nonsense. Von N., Teller, etc. wouldn't have been able to work on the atomic bomb without the various powers that be helping out.
20:04 gabriel_laddel I suspect we won't have to wait long.
20:04 gabriel_laddel Vaguely related:
20:05 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: check your time machine settings. you've arrived at the wrong war
20:05 gabriel_laddel Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
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20:05 gabriel_laddel -- Milton Friedman
20:05 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: how so?
20:05 asciilifeform this one is gonna be short on manhattan project and long on amulets issued to the cannon fodder that 'ward off bullets with the power of jizzus'
20:05 asciilifeform a la iran-iraq war
20:05 asciilifeform or boko haram.
20:06 gabriel_laddel nah, those who invest in voodoo will get slaughtered by those who enact the plan you voiced on Mr. M's blog.
20:07 asciilifeform it'll be voodoo + 50 yrs. of accumulated modern arms
20:07 asciilifeform presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?)
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20:08 * gabriel_laddel is not entirely sure how things will play out, but MF's prescription is really the only available option
20:08 BingoBoingo Yesterday's linked megalol re: video voodoo is related
20:08 gabriel_laddel in any case, I don't plan to be around for it
20:08 asciilifeform pointing out that the voodoo will be the wunderwaffen of choice for a hypothetical 'berlin '45' usg, rather than wunderwaffen
20:08 asciilifeform (of the working hardware kind)
20:09 asciilifeform not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose
20:10 asciilifeform right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ?
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20:10 asciilifeform say, today there's a 'quadra tracker' for every five or six working portable mass-spec products, what if the proportion were reversed ?
20:11 asciilifeform what if, as in mircea_popescu's gedankenexperiment, usg were unable to resupply its men on schedule ?
20:11 asciilifeform then - we learn what the 'b plan' is.
20:11 asciilifeform my guess - quite like the soviet 'b plan'
20:12 asciilifeform consisting of a buncha newly minted retirees in the swiss alps
20:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036409 << speaking of the entire "deserve your house', the fema experiments in st louis were a complete success.
20:12 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:04:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's
20:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's nothing whatever optional about these "plans". they're not plans in the normal sense, moar like, "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?"
20:13 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: sov. plan b >> http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Gorbachev-and-Pete-Mercedes-560-SEL.png (left hand. gorby on a very well-known d.c. street.)
20:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E471Ed )
20:13 mircea_popescu us has been run on the path of least resistance since at least the 60s
20:13 gabriel_laddel I will note for those reading, Argentina's orcs look the part.
20:14 gabriel_laddel perhaps mircea_popescu will expound on the situation there?
20:14 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel how so ?
20:14 mircea_popescu ahaha that pete mercedes pic. dude looks like a total stoner paratrooper.
20:14 mircea_popescu "i have come to liberate the buds man!"
20:14 asciilifeform l0l
20:15 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: local political situation (are the orcs known as such?), number of useful nuclear engineers to take care of the two reactors you've got etc.
20:15 mircea_popescu actually this was in log, lemme see.
20:15 asciilifeform "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?" << 'what should one do when a shell lands in the trench ?' -- 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' (brit., circa ww1)
20:16 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2015#985095
20:16 assbot Logged on 20-01-2015 23:17:04; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
20:16 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel ^ that entire discussion
20:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ar has ru-style 'meetings' ? i.e. crowds of folks with prefab picket signs, paid chump change to wave around ?
20:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036423 << ironically, the decay contains its own cure. there is literally nothing better for your average redditard than a forced communal living situation.
20:18 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:11:29; asciilifeform: literally communal
20:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah. and they're all colored.
20:18 mircea_popescu (argentina is moar racist than 1850s charleston, you gotta be white.)
20:19 gabriel_laddel sounds like home
20:19 mircea_popescu not aryan white, either. dat vampire look, darkhaired goldilocks
20:20 asciilifeform wai wat
20:20 mircea_popescu yes.
20:21 gabriel_laddel http://imgur.com/zwz0KnY << does this quality? I've not heard of this "darkhaired goldilocks" before...
20:21 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1E48M4t )
20:21 mircea_popescu i fully expect they elect 15yo christina ricci as the next president.
20:21 BingoBoingo !b 5
20:21 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/00SWTGT.txt )
20:21 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel mebbe.
20:22 mircea_popescu is that you ?
20:22 gabriel_laddel yeah
20:22 mircea_popescu all teh cute doods are in b-a i swear.
20:23 gabriel_laddel :)
20:23 asciilifeform lol i thought it was pete_dushenski
20:23 mircea_popescu fwiw, i thought you were like 50.
20:23 gabriel_laddel me?
20:23 gabriel_laddel why?
20:24 mircea_popescu you sound ancient, whadda ya want from me
20:25 gabriel_laddel lolk.
20:25 * asciilifeform used to routinely get flames which presumed old age
20:25 * asciilifeform never fully understood why
20:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036462 << yeah, he is.
20:26 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:25:20; gabriel_laddel: from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/sam-altman-is-not-blithering-idiot.html
20:26 mircea_popescu sam altman is the exact equivalent of britni spears.
20:26 punkman asciilifeform: because you were shouting "get off my lawn" at them?
20:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you also sound ancient.
20:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: with the difference (see earlier in this thread) being that spears does not operate a multilevel mmmatron for cranking out copies of self
20:26 gabriel_laddel That sam altman is a fuckwit isn't in contention amongst those in here.
20:26 mircea_popescu yes, actually, she does.
20:27 asciilifeform her handlers - yes, do
20:27 asciilifeform spears ?
20:27 mircea_popescu spears, altman, both, identically, on all scores.
20:27 mircea_popescu minus the tits.
20:27 gabriel_laddel He has people run their grubby little fingers through all HN comments, and they warn people who are too "right-wing"
20:27 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i'm not certain that he's a fuckwit; could also be scum that knows precisely what he's doing
20:27 mircea_popescu spears thought she "recorded records", altman thinks he "made reddit gain more users than hn has in total"
20:27 mircea_popescu exactly the same thing
20:28 asciilifeform but - a hitler, or just a lowly feldfebel ?
20:28 gabriel_laddel Even if he knows what he is doing, still a fuckwit. Everyone knows the story of the scorpion and the monk, right?
20:28 mircea_popescu a britni spears.
20:29 mircea_popescu "the most elitest minds of a society"
20:29 mircea_popescu you know this guy is retarded.
20:29 mircea_popescu srsly, the most elistest minds OF A SOCIETY ?
20:30 asciilifeform or employs a monkey to write 'his' communique
20:30 asciilifeform if good enough for potus,...
20:30 * mircea_popescu pictures asciilifeform in bed with a woman he picked up earlier in metro. she goes "oh honey, that was SO FUCKING GREAT!" he goes "or maybe i wasn't even in!"
20:30 gabriel_laddel lol
20:31 asciilifeform 'that was the depth gauge, silly'
20:32 asciilifeform (for readers not zoologically-inclined: herr altman is paul graham's right-hand man / catamite)
20:32 asciilifeform presently running the pg lulzatron as crown prince
20:32 mircea_popescu @ BingoBoingo : http://oglaf.com/rally/
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20:32 assbot Rally 'round the white flag ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYGFEE )
20:34 mircea_popescu remarkably on point.
20:34 asciilifeform http://www.psywarrior.com/PassRebuttalF.jpg
20:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHjSw )
20:35 asciilifeform ^ spoof, afaik
20:35 asciilifeform http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/001/015/930/606_002.jpg?v=1 << example of the real thing
20:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHwVI )
20:36 asciilifeform http://www.psywarrior.com/GermanSCP.html
20:36 assbot Standard Allied Safe Conduct Passes of WWII ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHL31 )
20:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036486 << it's called vc circus for a reason.
20:37 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:34:18; gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
20:37 mircea_popescu now where's that trrilema article i want to reference. the one pointing out this entire vc thing is old guys dating.
20:37 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: do you have pointers to any information about Uncle Al's roach repellent other than mailing list / forum posts and the patent?
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00041283 = 20.6002 BTC [+]
20:38 gabriel_laddel also, any more information on the Chinese run?
20:39 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
20:39 assbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4c5bQ )
20:39 mircea_popescu "That'd be your VC circuit : a bunch of old men who have no time to spend with their actual children. They claim this is because "they have to work", but in fact it's because a) they're afraid of their actual children and b) their actual children hate and despise them, in no particular order. This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children, so
20:39 mircea_popescu that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
20:39 mircea_popescu shit yeah. tyvm
20:40 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#identifier_1_52654 win of all time.
20:40 assbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4cknk )
20:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036529 << cargo society.
20:41 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:44:28; asciilifeform: but not professional equipment. go figure.
20:41 mircea_popescu in africa there's a market for gold encrusted trabant, not so much for an actulaly good car.
20:42 gabriel_laddel "This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children,so that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
20:42 gabriel_laddel this is exactly correct. PG, for example, sees me coding in a coffee shop, is there with his kid.
20:42 gabriel_laddel he then tries to convince the kid that they should go home and code instead of answering the kids questions
20:43 mircea_popescu nuts.
20:43 mircea_popescu the situation where i never had children yet understand more of parenting than all these people with children depending on them is about as alarming as the situation where i'd not be a woman but know more about fucking than all women. what a shitworld!
20:45 gabriel_laddel I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it.
20:45 gabriel_laddel If your kid is asking question - answer them. They'll arrive at coding and mathematics by themselves.
20:46 gabriel_laddel The reason these things are interesting is becuase they exist independently of us, they're unavoidable.
20:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036553 << you know, just because hunters wear animal skins doesn't mean they're furry animals.
20:46 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:51:13; asciilifeform: when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it
20:46 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel if you got a purpose in mind, you need a tool not a child.
20:47 mircea_popescu you ever read the discussion wit hthe slaves re the dead rabbit ?
20:47 gabriel_laddel as to why you killed it and not a wolf?
20:47 gabriel_laddel yeah
20:47 mircea_popescu that one. important part there being about understanding the animal is an animal, which is a category of things to be.
20:48 mircea_popescu liek teh child. in this sense, children are animals. not "people" in the sense of, "just like me".
20:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55495 @ 0.00041036 = 22.7729 BTC [-]
20:48 mircea_popescu but anyway, do go on.
20:49 gabriel_laddel I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation.
20:49 gabriel_laddel Incidentally this is what Sean Parker's father did, and Sean is one of the coolest Silly con valley people
20:50 mircea_popescu which the fuck is the grasshopper article
20:50 gabriel_laddel /s/grasshopper/dragonfly
20:50 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ ?
20:50 assbot The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYLopK )
20:52 gabriel_laddel nope. The one where you detailed your relationship with your father
20:52 gabriel_laddel "he refused to stop living"
20:53 mircea_popescu ah
20:55 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036593 << certainly an apt description ofwhat we're doing here.
20:55 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
20:55 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036601 << you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play
20:55 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 01:07:58; asciilifeform: presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?)
20:56 decimation point of interest - on youtube one can easily obtain copies of the vienna philharmonic new year's concert (neujahrskonzert). it's clear that it is broadcast all over europe, yet I have never heard of it being broadcast in the us
20:56 gabriel_laddel btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course"
20:56 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036608 << fwiw, the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. i've been considering it since you mentioned it first, earlier.
20:56 assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 01:10:09; asciilifeform: right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ?
20:56 decimation apparently this is one artifact of the divorce between england and the 'continent'
20:57 mircea_popescu decimation it's a big deal in yurp
20:57 mircea_popescu civilised people tend to play it for xmas.
20:57 decimation right, which is why it amazes me that it's unheard of in the us
20:57 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel no i got that.
20:57 mircea_popescu coursera et al.
20:57 gabriel_laddel kk
20:59 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.00350855 BTC. Current weight: 83,568.
21:05 gabriel_laddel http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/
21:05 assbot How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPfmE )
21:06 decimation asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so << I'm convinced that the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks
21:06 decimation apple assumes that you don't need to use your computer to compute, so it isn't designed for sustained levels of cpu-pegging
21:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10255 @ 0.00041036 = 4.2082 BTC [-]
21:10 decimation asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose < My prediction is 'descent into regional civil war'
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21:37 ben_vulpes "failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children".
21:41 * mod6 is caught up
21:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14515 @ 0.00039494 = 5.7326 BTC [-]
21:45 mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034915 << we still need to have this talk, indeed. I haven't forgotten :]
21:45 assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 21:54:23; asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
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22:00 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes tis complicated.
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22:32 cazalla anyone know if i'm missing any from the list? http://i.imgur.com/CFu2wJZ.png just using alexa as one metric, will find others for use in comparison each month going
22:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOPv1R )
22:33 cazalla oops, forget to remove tardstalk from that one (have a longer list with other non news sites)
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22:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42546 @ 0.00040542 = 17.249 BTC [+]
23:02 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: any more information on the Chinese run << of al's eötvös experiment ? just some private correspondence, where he confirms the same story told on usenet
23:02 asciilifeform (i have no reason not to believe him)
23:03 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: ditto the roach repellent
23:03 asciilifeform though i have not tried it personally, nor do i know enough about roaches to say if there are nuances not accounted for
23:05 asciilifeform (i did work through a good chunk of the maths behind al's eötvös adventures, for own edification and to attempt to come up with a way to rescue him - to learn how that went, see old thread)
23:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play << afaik usg accomplished their one non-negotiable thing in iraq - break the orcs into eternally-warring bantustans, 'vaccinate' against any possible emergence of a real sovereign
23:09 asciilifeform plus they churned inventory, the real immediate purpose of all usg .mil maneuvers
23:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. << let's have the ps0t, yes. looking forward to reading it
23:11 asciilifeform decimation: the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks << it's been a thing ever since the mandatory switch to pb-free
23:11 gabriel_laddel (for the record, I've not run the numbers on Schwartz's experiment yet, don't know for sure yet that it is valid, but can say that yes, everything he says is falsifiable and yes, everyone who say "he is a crank" etc. is a lying scumbag for not pointing out the exact sentence where he missteps. EG: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7757/weak-equivalence-principle-tests in which a "string theorist" knowingly
23:11 assbot parity - Weak equivalence principle tests - Physics Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1AI8MGd )
23:11 gabriel_laddel glosses over the whole point of the experiment, which he would know if he has read it)
23:11 asciilifeform decimation: it is quite possibly impractical to make bga (ball grid array) ic packages without pb
23:12 asciilifeform but they insist on it anyway
23:13 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: let's put it this way. the theoretical work gives very specific - numeric - predictions
23:13 asciilifeform that could easily be tested.
23:13 gabriel_laddel yep.
23:13 gabriel_laddel that should be clear to anyone reading it
23:14 gabriel_laddel I'm not going to claim to know that the math works out unless I do it myself though
23:14 asciilifeform 'For example, Newton's apple contains vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid) which is parity-asymmetric, and it would accelerate differently if the laws of gravity cared about the mirror images.' << lying scum, yes. implying that effect cannot exist because not observable with naked eye on naturally-occurring objects
23:14 asciilifeform whereas all kinds of bullshit, which cannot be observed anywhere, ever, even in principle - is entirely real to a 'string theorist.'
23:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00040538 = 6.6888 BTC [-]
23:16 asciilifeform physics - as a discipline - is 99+% tumour, with scarcely any patient tissue remaining
23:16 asciilifeform of the ordinary sort
23:17 gabriel_laddel reality will do a backtracking branch cut soon enough
23:17 gabriel_laddel we just have to wait
23:17 asciilifeform all tumours eventually stop growing...
23:18 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: btw, do you know any category theory?
23:19 asciilifeform only the very basics.
23:20 gabriel_laddel it seem to me that they're not doing the obvious, which bothers me somewhat.
23:20 asciilifeform the experiment ?
23:20 asciilifeform well, yes.
23:20 asciilifeform if they did it, someone, somewhere, might dig up the fella who actually invented it
23:21 gabriel_laddel nah, the obvious, in the case of category theory: Sucking up all the mathematics ever via some OCR routines and categorizing it via computer. Have an intern write a parser for latex -> ast
23:21 asciilifeform the whole affair went on in its current form far too long for the usual dance of the buggers - 'pretend it never happened' - to go as does
23:21 * asciilifeform head-desks
23:22 gabriel_laddel my basic understanding of category theory is that there are interesting things that can be derived when you break down basic mathematics into some abstractions such as functors, mappings etc.
23:22 asciilifeform 1) ocr doesn't work because 99.99% is still ludicrously low - human reader -who fully understands the text- still required 2) no ocr exists or is reasonably likely to ever exist for anything rich in notation 3) the machine-readability of most mathematical work is a fully ai-complete problem
23:23 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: if you're thinking of a human-cranked systematization project, straight to doug lenat's 'cyc' (i'll spoil it for you: it was stillborn)
23:23 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: this is exactly what I was thinking of
23:24 gabriel_laddel well, I've not looked at cyc yet, but thanks for the pointer.
23:24 asciilifeform !s cyc
23:24 assbot 6 results for 'cyc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cyc
23:24 * gabriel_laddel hand-cranked systematization is exactly what I had in mind
23:24 asciilifeform the politics of cyc etc. aside, such projects are about as interesting as the historical proposals to go to the moon in balloons, shooting men from cannons, etc.
23:25 asciilifeform fact is, we haven't actually built computers yet
23:25 mircea_popescu cazalla alexa's pretty clueless fwiw.
23:25 asciilifeform any more than montgolfier brothers had 'aviation'
23:26 cazalla mircea_popescu, yeah but at least it is clueless to each site equally on the list
23:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nonsense. the middle east always was enternally-warring. this is like husband stuck with a bad divorce, "at least i made her into a slut"
23:26 mircea_popescu mno.
23:26 asciilifeform iraq had (past tense, note) army, industry, economy
23:26 asciilifeform now has soup
23:27 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel string theorists are a lot like freudian psychanalists. the better ones follow the lieberman line.
23:27 mircea_popescu the rest...
23:28 mircea_popescu cazalla no, it's not.
23:30 mircea_popescu think of it in terms of throwing bowling balls at a tree from outer space. you won't get within a mile. and if the first ball lands 735`331meters rom the tree, the next five won't land 735`331 meters from the next five threes.
23:30 mircea_popescu trees*
23:30 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> that could easily be tested. << not easily, no. but yes, they could be.
23:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i devised a test costing approximately 50k usd.
23:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: al ended up having to explain to me... well, the concept i outlined in the first thread re: this subject here in #b-a
23:31 asciilifeform regarding provenance.
23:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108600 @ 0.00040512 = 43.996 BTC [-] {3}
23:31 mircea_popescu exactly.
23:32 mircea_popescu and that ftr is a valid objection.
23:32 asciilifeform (most of the 50k, in case anyone cares, covers two well-used microcalorimeters.)
23:33 mircea_popescu incidentally, in the ideal model which sits at the fundament of us academia, this would have been arranged over a phone call and tried the next week.
23:33 mircea_popescu for free.
23:33 asciilifeform it was a perfectly valid objection, which is why the experiment will not happen publicly on this side of the coming civilizational demolition.
23:33 mircea_popescu and ironically, it's the environment i grew up in.
23:33 asciilifeform i actually worked with a number of folks at the time who were ready to wangle access to the instruments for me.
23:33 asciilifeform but al didn't want to pursue
23:34 mircea_popescu why not ?
23:34 asciilifeform well, he would have had to blow a rather expensive single-use wad
23:34 mircea_popescu um ?
23:37 mircea_popescu re alexa : last time i measured their accuracy, it came out to about 96% error rating. ie, if alexa reads 100, it can see anything between 4 and 2500.
23:37 asciilifeform synthetic crystal of two chiral isomers of $censored that would have, according to the model, very small difference in energy of phase change
23:37 asciilifeform in a way not accounted for by any previously known effect
23:38 mircea_popescu i don't get it. he didn't want the experiment made in the end ?
23:38 asciilifeform he understood that it wasn't free
23:39 asciilifeform that is, that a failure for any number of reasons unrelated to the physical prediction - such as my hands growing out of my arse - would set him back (if such a thing were possible) years
23:40 asciilifeform anyone who wants to know what was going through his head - write to him! i don't relish playing 'broken telephone'
23:40 asciilifeform and the man can speak for himself, and really ought to
23:41 * thestringpuller refreshes contravex
23:41 pete_dushenski ;)
23:42 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu stoner paratrooper << fighters have a lot of relaxing to do!
23:45 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/01/the-asylum-has-its-moments/
23:45 assbot The asylum has its moments. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/17H8NP6 )
23:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun follow this logic.
23:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it made sense to me. 'the lysenkoists refuse to even try' is bad enough, but 'see, somebody tried, it failed, shuddup' is quite possibly worse
23:48 asciilifeform so if trying, has to be the 'full nine yards'
23:48 mircea_popescu why does he care about implication footsie game ?
23:48 asciilifeform rather than some kid and ratty old instruments from us army
23:48 mircea_popescu no, it doesn't. if you try, you gotta try.
23:49 asciilifeform iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all
23:49 mircea_popescu check it out, the web2.0 is being useful : http://www.wikihow.com/Play-Footsie
23:49 assbot How to Play Footsie: 5 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbvOY2 )
23:49 mircea_popescu i hope you're changing the world, schmuckos!
23:50 gabriel_laddel iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all << this makes a great deal of sense
23:51 mircea_popescu this can't be a rationale not to try.
23:51 asciilifeform basically he insisted that a negative result must come from one of the two eotvos torsion balances
23:51 gabriel_laddel he isn't giving up, as far as I know, but biding his time
23:51 asciilifeform as i gather, he's engaged in a contest of who-dies-first with adelberger
23:51 mircea_popescu "biding his time" ?
23:51 asciilifeform see above
23:51 mircea_popescu suppose i go make the measurement myself ?
23:52 mircea_popescu not like it's tied to his forehead.
23:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i confess, i almost decided to
23:52 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: how would i learn to play footsie if not via a wikihow article?
23:52 asciilifeform might do it still
23:52 asciilifeform if ever get out of here alive
23:52 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: the opposition lie through their teeth at every given moment, you don't want to give them anything to work with
23:52 mircea_popescu this is science not politics, what's biding your time do.
23:52 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel this is not how it works.
23:53 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: did you read the stackoverflow post linked above?
23:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00039163 = 2.9764 BTC [-]
23:53 mircea_popescu i confess i did not. why would it matter ?
23:53 mircea_popescu science has no opposition.
23:53 gabriel_laddel lemme finish making this burrito and I'll write up something on the game being played
23:54 mircea_popescu my empanadas are made already.
23:55 mircea_popescu thestringpuller makes you wonder how children were made before they invented shoes.
23:56 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: I thought you know storks and stuff...
23:57 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/chiral.jpg << pet critter holding my [6.6]chiralane.
23:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/17H9F6w )
23:57 asciilifeform from those das
23:57 asciilifeform *days
23:58 asciilifeform (whazzat? http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.paper.SCS.2008-4nS.petitjean.pdf << original paper, schwartz & petitjean - they co-invented it)
23:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/17H9HeH )
23:58 asciilifeform phun phact, it broke the definition of 'chirality' taught in schoolbooks
23:58 asciilifeform had 'handedness' but no 'chiral centers' - that is, carbon atoms that are topologically 'key'
23:59 asciilifeform that is, each carbon has -exactly the same thing- on all four bonds
23:59 mircea_popescu what's in the middle, sulphur ?
23:59 asciilifeform all c
23:59 asciilifeform well, outer h'es not shown
23:59 asciilifeform (as they typically aren't on a model)
23:59 mircea_popescu but the big ball in teh centre
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