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00:03 vex I'm surprised to read that asciilifeform dabbled in robotrading
00:04 asciilifeform vex: i wasn't born knowing that all online 'trade xyz' houses, without exception, front run the fuck outta errything
00:05 vex how much did that lesson cost, if you don't mind sharing?
00:05 asciilifeform vex: ~0, this was pre-btcism
00:05 vex ah
~ 21 minutes ~
00:27 * vex left wondering if alf was actually employed to write frontrunner, wonders what else he's dabbled in
00:28 asciilifeform vex: i'd expect that when you employ folx to write frontrunner, you shoot'em afterwards
00:28 vex lol
00:36 vex have you ever gambled on horse racing aciilifeform?
00:36 asciilifeform nope
00:37 vex I suspect bookmakers still take bets from zeljko et all because for the maxint they take, they're actually providing doog info to the market
00:37 vex *good even
00:37 vex if the market were bigger, they'd take more
00:38 asciilifeform vex: i have genuinely nfi re that last item, the names dun mean anyffin to me
00:38 vex those kids from tasmania who dropped out of uni to count cards
00:41 vex the horse racing still pays for the museum of modern arts
00:49 * adlai should try guaging, at some point, the time and effort wasted on cooking and cleaning when he eats at home, as opposed to when he eats at an establishment and lets the cooking and cleaning be wholesaled to professionals
00:50 adlai the only redeeming quality of doing this home alone is that I don't have to wear pants, and can read a topology book across the plate
00:51 * adlai still doesn't quite understand the mental gymnastics of 'CW Complexes', although at least managed to think his way through the two easy ways to create a riemann sphere, and confirmed that they give the same complex
00:53 adlai however, it seems that this is one of these infuriating cases where, while in books on group theory the authors frequently flog to a pulp the whole "these groups are isomorphic, although they are not the same group" shtick, in this topology book, the author forgets to mention that CW complexes are merely homeomorphic and not identical
00:53 vex what's your hft bot trade on adlai? i assumed bc, but my assumtions are shit
00:53 adlai NO FINANCE AT THE DINNER TABLE
00:53 vex soz. enjoy your meal
00:53 adlai you may discuss physics, topology, gambling, anti-facts, whatever. only rule, no high finance.
00:55 * adlai admits that he may regress to slogging through the dead-tree Munkres's General, instead of continuing the warez pdf of Hatcher's Algebraic
00:56 adlai there is something cool about having a usable index and table-of-contents, and regrettably, the links in the PDF are less usable than a disintegrating paperback that literally has one sheaf sewn with the pages in descending order
00:57 * adlai has no idea how this special copy came to be... maybe stitched together with clippings and rejects from the floor beside the printing press?
00:58 adlai even the cover resembles warez PDFs: the book itself is all paper, and then there is a cutout square with the book's official cover image, glued onto the outer sheaf
00:59 * adlai is reminded of warez PDFs of textbooks that circulate in the university, where the body is quite clearly an official PDF from the publisher, yet there is a mysterious 'page zero' at the start, with the title of the book, the username of some uploader probably old enough to be my dad, and the rest of the space taken up by... 'art'
01:00 adlai vex: u literate?
01:01 vex kinda
01:01 vex I suspect my library looks a liottle different to yours
01:02 adlai i mean in the voluntary sense, not in the sense of "is capable of parsing nutritional disclosure on booze bottle"
01:02 adlai well you have a library, that's a start!
01:03 vex I've got enough dead trees, I get carbon credits from eu
01:03 adlai "literate, in the voluntary sense" ~= keeps books, sometimes takes years to finish one, sometimes reads one without pausing to take a dump, etc
01:05 adlai algebraic topology is horrible
01:05 vex I'll admit, I'm not an acomplished mathematician, so my hat is off in that regard
01:06 adlai in Munkres's book, there are entire paragraphs about how topology is like a truck full of gravel, whereas in algebraic topology it almost all just looks like the stereotypical hieroglyph-covered chalkboard, although there are cool line drawings of paths on surfaces
01:07 adlai one friend once convinced me that pure mathematics is actually not a sign of intelligence, only of perseverence
01:07 vex that's a nice thought
01:07 adlai intelligence is being able to save the trouble of perseverence for someone who doesn't have the patience, i.e. teaching
01:09 adlai 'save the trouble' might be an overstatement; at least, they make the road visible, as opposed to it being hidden by the cliche "flashes of insight", and what people rarely hear about -- endless tedium where the mathematician is simply exploring dead ends and stoopid loops like a drunkard playing left-hand-rule in a third-world shithole
01:09 adlai oh we've talked about scifi
01:09 adlai vex have you read Diaspora ? or heard of Greg Egan's scifi
01:10 vex it's prolly in the logs, but no, I haven't read Diaspora
01:10 adlai it's a bit heavy on the mathematics, although that book conveys exactly what I meant there, about how "doing mathematics" often boils down to doing a sort of random walk through a maze
01:12 vex good book huh?
01:14 vex It might be at my favourite bookshop, but I'm told the army is on the road
01:18 adlai ehhh. I'd not have recommended it after the first reading, and I'm honestly not sure what made me reread it. I wasn't doing it specifically because of any mathematical topic I'd learned in between them. maybe it was because I wanted to return it to the lender?
01:19 adlai I have trouble recommending it, as a novel, because it is basically a collection of short stories that have a few common characters
01:20 adlai there is a grand theme tying it all together (Earth will become unhabitable, so there is a diaspora to outer space), although that is more just a sort of fact that hangs around in the background and is not strong enough to give the separate stories cohesion
01:21 adlai most of the characters are not human (most are abstract programs existing inside a massive computer), and while the author does a good job of describing their non-human existence, they aren't directly relatable for a human reader.
01:22 adlai there are also human characters, it's not all singularity mumbojumbo.
01:22 vex no problem, brb
01:22 adlai lol vex's quit messages
01:23 adlai previous one - "vex has quit (defiantly)" ; this one - "defiantly"
01:23 adlai er, previous was "politely"
~ 15 minutes ~
01:38 adlai c.blyat, asciilifeform ! why is "STATS" listed under USERCMDS if every flag I query gives me a "Permission Denied- You do not have the correct IRC operator privileges" !?
01:40 vex I ain't defiant, turned around
01:40 adlai no RULES, no MOTD, ... what is this amateur bucketnet of an irc server anyways
01:42 vex I wanna know what pet cooks dinner at 3 in the morning
01:43 vex it's all good adlai
01:44 adlai food coma is one of the ways that I put myself to sleep
01:44 vex there's worse ways to do it
01:45 adlai although this was all vegetablech and not enough complex biopolymers that need lots of energy to digest
01:45 vex I must say I appreciat ethe convo, errytime
01:45 vex get a steak in ya
01:46 adlai if only every meal could be centered around half a kg of meat
01:47 vex use mathematics to buy a cattle station
01:47 vex are you tied to the middle east?
01:48 adlai not really; it is mostly inertia right now
01:48 adlai there are plenty of ranches in Israel, though. up in the north.
01:49 adlai 90% of what officers did in every field exercise was coordinate troop movements across pasture boundaries, so that the cattle wouldn't get lost in minefields
01:49 vex come to oz, you can get super drunk and fly helicopter
01:52 vex chicks love that kinda shit
01:52 adlai what about camping in the outback?
01:52 vex yep, doesn't even cost 20 milly
01:53 adlai stock up on two weeks of water, vegetables, rice, and ammo, then leave hamiltonian tessalations of rabbit skeletons for the drunken helicopter pilots to retrace
01:53 vex go ask cazalla
01:55 vex if you've got no money and no girl, there worse places to be
02:08 vex tbh i was never sure if quit messaging went thru on dulap. tnks for the info adali
02:08 adlai I keep telling myself that I should revisit the negev; maybe I should just forget the negev and go visit other deserts
02:09 vex whats negev?
02:09 adlai the negev is the northeasternmost corner of the sahara, where it squeezes between the mediterranean sea and the red sea, until the judean mountains where jerusalem is located
02:10 adlai so basically, eastern egypt, southern israel, and western jordan
02:10 vex you're actual desert people
02:12 adlai I'm not really desert people. my entire spiritual connection to the desert is from a vacation visiting petra and wadi rum, a camping trip in middle school, and a few months of rather mild hell in the beginning of the military service
02:12 adlai even during the worst parts of the military service, I never spent more than a consecutive week in the desert
02:12 vex tey cross hte simspon alone
02:13 adlai "in the desert" = no roof thicker than an AFV
02:13 vex you will see some stars
02:13 vex i don't recommend a camel
02:14 adlai the camping trip in middle school was on camels!
02:14 vex that's pretty fuckjing cool
02:14 adlai bedouin guides, camels for heavy luggage, and a few extra camels so the laziest kids didn't have to walk the entire way
02:15 adlai although, not enough camels so they never had to walk
02:15 vex now come to oz, make 5k pw shooting the cunts out of a helicopter
02:15 adlai "5k pw" !?
02:15 vex prolly, you negotiate yourself
02:16 adlai what is "pw", 'per week' ?
02:16 vex indeed
02:16 vex ive never gone camel shooting, so i'm just guessing
02:16 adlai that is a lame interventionism, though. why not release a seed population of a foreign species, because it worked so well with the rabbits
02:17 vex they get to pest proportions here
02:18 adlai get the most outlier jaguars from the driest parts of south america, surely they can make the leap from bagging the occasional llama to staving off dehydration from camel hump fat
02:18 vex mate, if you wanna genius the system, just rock up
02:18 adlai once the camel populations get thinned out, the biggest jaguars die and evolution gives you cute little desert kittens that live off rabbits.
02:19 vex mostr of the jaguar report here are from old women who saw a large escaped house cat
02:20 adlai a lone jaguar might be a bit afraid to take down a serious camel, though. maybe lion packs from the savannah are a better idea, they are used to teamwork.
02:20 vex lions aren't no shit
02:21 vex if you live in lion territory, best arrange some thorns around your hut
02:21 adlai there were once desert cats in Israel
02:21 vex do tell
02:21 adlai they are still listed in old wildlife brochures, although they are almost certainly extinct
02:22 adlai spotted like jaguars, although a bit smaller
02:22 vex id much rather be in the savannah, a jungle jaguar can eat you
02:23 adlai oh lol supposedly it's just the regular african cheetah, and the local population simply faded out. they are in no danger of extinction across the border, though!
02:24 vex if they're spotty and eat something else I'm okay with it
02:25 adlai farmers are somewhat worshipped in Israeli society, especially the ones who settled empty desert lands that were basically territory of bedouin nomad tribes before the 20th century... although honestly the early zionist farmers completely fucked the desert ecosystems
02:26 adlai and the ironic thing is that they didn't even make much headway in the vision of turning the desert into fertile ground. they just established towns that eventually became industrial centers and factory farms, rather than changing the soil and climate.
02:27 vex reporposing tired lands.
02:29 vex it's not rocket surgery
02:31 vex china can send a million hoes whever they like. nature of monke was irepresible
02:33 adlai the chinese contractors rule the construction scene here
02:33 vex really? I find that hard to belive
02:34 adlai they might not be as entrenched in organized crime as the mobsters who run the consturction companies, although there are entire construction sites where all the boots on the ground during the day are chinese
02:35 vex I'd prefer a vex style bathroom reno
02:35 adlai one time I saw the funniest evidence of an 'overpopulated' construction site... in the middle of the afternoon, a line of maybe ten guys, tossing bricks from one guy to the next
02:35 vex grout fits in all the craics
02:35 adlai big pile of bricks at one corner of the site, and then a snake of guys tossing the bricks towards the guy at the end who was catching them and handing to the bricklayer
02:36 adlai dudes had huge smiles on their faces and were yelling at eachother in full tonal bro banter
02:36 vex I see no problem
02:37 adlai now, this was not an underfunded construction site. there were probably about $10M of heavy machinery within the same radius as the length of this brick tossing line
02:37 adlai maybe nobody yet built the John Deere or Caterpillar automatic brick layer, so it's cheaper for a dozen guys to toss bricks at eachother
02:39 adlai now, why they did this at two in the afternoon, instead of two AM, I have no idea. it was not in a residential neighborhood where someone would complain, and some of these sites work at night too. maybe they were behind schedule?
02:40 vex right?
02:40 vex boss was off kilter
02:41 * adlai afk to work on digesting
02:42 vex lsd birds start awaking
02:42 vex wildling
02:43 adlai ttyl!
02:43 vex are you actually in trouble of just larping?
02:43 vex ttyl
02:55 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUeOEkl270
03:04 vex I walked into awhole contestarthququake had happnedd\
03:13 vex perhaps pete will sell shulgin as unique
03:13 vex idtkso
03:20 vex dear pete. if you want a huffer. I am ur man
03:21 vex I xcan't vene describe it
03:23 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k
03:32 vex how many mathemeticains does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
03:32 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUrR44RlcY
03:43 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUrR44RlcY dear pete
03:51 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uzbmCWGHF8
03:52 vex nigger whagt?
04:04 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFEZOjtrwls so white
04:07 vex meanwhile some gorgeous striped lady walks out of the market
04:08 vex fuk wot?
04:10 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62QkD_q1bs
04:14 vex mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQxMBLWDbw all jib
04:17 vex do not fuck with kevin costner
04:21 vex if you think waterworld was the wrost movie. then i'm licking that american guys pussy
04:22 vex best movie vear
04:23 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDsCeC6f0zc
04:26 vex I leAnered jujitsu when I was 4, so fuck the hell off
04:26 vex I will scalp u
04:28 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBZqmL8ehg
04:29 vex so eartghquake\
04:35 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XMvPTFzgVU
04:37 vex any fuckwit. any time
04:43 vex too judo. has anyone seen phf?
04:44 vex someone kicked ther the cunt. mp wasn't the reaqson
04:45 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvZYpLv7mFs
04:47 vex alf you shouldn't have spoken to phf lek that\
04:48 vex i love alf but I will protec phf
04:49 vex cunt's that can't take vodka
04:53 vex doffo woth talking to. phf
04:59 vex why can't i protek him?
05:00 vex old off
~ 4 hours 48 minutes ~
09:49 adlai please state your purpose, question, and expected timeframe for the conversation) /away
09:50 adlai one of the reasons I've returned so often to explore construction sites is the admirable languageless design of instructions and warnings
~ 19 minutes ~
10:10 adlai lest I forget, between the arguments with myself and others, one of the purposes of studying formally languaged multidimensional knot comparisons is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-01-26#1386618
10:10 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-26 ascii_butugychag: if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear.
~ 17 minutes ~
10:27 adlai this is exactly the kind of nitpick where studying topology can get you avoiding dead ends when searching for interesting questions
10:27 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-26 ascii_butugychag: for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero
10:30 adlai any hypothetical proofs that could possibly rely upon "then, as operating cost tends towards zero, ..." can be struck out of the path space, due to relying on more than only an ordering property of the range space
10:32 adlai s/could possibly//
~ 4 hours 42 minutes ~
15:14 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-19#1053143 << he seems to be lurking.
15:14 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-19 00:39:07 vex: too judo. has anyone seen phf?
15:14 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-26 19:08:46 asciilifeform: in wholly-unrelated other noose : phf wrote in , in fact he updated his vpatch page! for ffa, logotron, and trb ! appear to be 100% current nao !
15:14 asciilifeform adlai: i lack the lsd to make sense of what you said.
15:14 asciilifeform !w poll
15:14 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
15:14 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
15:14 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
15:14 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696542
15:14 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.110s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542
15:14 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696542
15:14 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.145s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:14 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.145s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542
15:14 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696542 (Operator: whaack)
15:15 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542
15:15 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.220s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542
15:15 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.203s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542
15:15 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.302s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:15 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.332s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696542
15:15 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : (tlapnet-38-54.cust.tlapnet.cz) Alive: (0.289s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=689331
15:15 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
15:16 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
15:16 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
~ 2 hours 59 minutes ~
18:15 asciilifeform billymg: i've added your patches, with yours and my sigs, to the logotron www.
~ 35 minutes ~
18:51 asciilifeform billymg et al : updated above with new vpatch which reflects current draft (abolishes all fleanodeisms.)
~ 54 minutes ~
19:45 asciilifeform billymg et al : and another one.
19:52 asciilifeform logger will be unavail. for 10-20m
~ 33 minutes ~
20:26 asciilifeform grr apparently cannot actually deploy yet
20:26 asciilifeform billymg something you did in fact breaks wsgi:
20:27 asciilifeform example eggog when any version derived from your latest variant is used.
20:28 asciilifeform note that they work entirely correctly when tested w/out wsgi (which is why asciilifeform did not notice until attempted deploy)
~ 1 hours 27 minutes ~
21:55 billymg asciilifeform: hmm, i've been running mine this whole time as a wsgi module
21:57 billymg asciilifeform: this is my vhost config: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=r4Id
22:05 punkman asciilifeform: re: legos http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-09/02/c_139338040.htm
22:06 punkman they even sold under own brand, didn't try to sell as "Lego"
22:07 punkman of course there are a few dozen other makers that haven't been dekulakized yet
22:07 punkman but I thought it was quite curious
22:09 punkman I'd never looked at legos before, was surprised to see all the online communities and all the tools they've come up with
22:12 punkman book recommendation for conspiracy lovers: "Barry & 'the Boys': The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History" https://en.gr1lib.org/book/11077792/19f200
22:12 punkman author also has cool blog https://www.madcowprod.com/
22:16 * billymg bbl
~ 55 minutes ~
23:11 asciilifeform billymg: ~identical to mine (cuz based on same)
23:12 asciilifeform billymg: but with all versions starting with yours -- no dice. and having a devil of a time figuring out why, seemingly none of the changes could possibly account for it
23:12 asciilifeform item worx 100% when run w/out wsgi
23:12 asciilifeform but when stood up either under another vhost, or even in place of the existing item -- bomb.
23:13 asciilifeform checked config, templates, etc. 'over9000' times, none of it was botched
23:13 asciilifeform when copy of ~old~ reader.py renamed & stood up under separate vhost -- both run
~ 21 minutes ~
23:35 asciilifeform billymg: got it to work; but only now realized that you've fucked up the channel highlight feature
23:36 asciilifeform billymg: see for yourself, e.g.
23:45 asciilifeform billymg: also the app_root = /log/ thing makes for slooooow 301 redirect when the url is given as traditionally ( http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log rather than http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ )
23:45 asciilifeform ( anyone know why apache imposes 1-2 SECONDS of delay when 301 redirect ? )
23:48 asciilifeform billymg: i'd appreciate if you were to fix the things that you have broken. otherwise i'ma have to regrind on top of my original.
23:49 asciilifeform i haven't the faintest clue how to implement current-channel highlighting on top of billymg's cssisms.
23:50 asciilifeform ( in original gen_chanlist, there is a selected_chan and it is used to highlight. but in billymg's -- is simply ignored )
23:53 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/logasciilifeform/2021-08-19#1053193 << i suspect typical orc 'crime' -- didn't share profits with The Right People, so got the hammer.
23:53 asciilifeform MOTHERFUCKER
23:54 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-19#1053193
23:54 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-19 18:01:25 punkman: asciilifeform: re: legos http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-09/02/c_139338040.htm
23:54 * asciilifeform had tried '/log' for the config knob
23:58 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-19#1053210 << this, interestingly, shows up via 'lynx', but not when using chrome-derived browsers
23:58 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-19 19:41:12 asciilifeform: ( anyone know why apache imposes 1-2 SECONDS of delay when 301 redirect ? )
23:58 asciilifeform ( evidently the latter cache redirects )
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