#asciilifeform | 2026-01-16

reading some dolts in the pest logs trying to sell the ahistorical foxnews ‘hitler was a leftist’ nonsense is peak

02:01

reminds me of when people parroted the absolutely retarded ‘blackrock is buying all the homes’ lie they also heard on tv

02:10

For some of the more hierarchypilled national socialism is too left wing.

02:17

what’s obnoxious is that neither the fuentes or the kirk kneelers have a coherent plan for success

02:20

how is there room for israel in America First?

02:21

vance and co famously whinged in the signalgate logs about having to do shit in the red sea and would v much like to abandon it all in the hands of the europeans

02:21

usa after all is very close to exceeding combined oil production of the #2 and #3 producers

02:22

supporting israel was, even for the brits and based on documentary evidence from leadership in the RN, a dogshit arrangement

02:25

now some other idiots are trying to stoke regime change in iran without a clear plan for what’s next, and it has a nontrivial probability of creating a failed state with 3x the population of venezuela

02:26

tens of millions of possible refugees that could stream into europe, and what’s that do for potus and his great natsec whitening strategy of the continent

02:27

irgc has a black budget made of sanctions evasion and transnational crime revenues, and they’ll still be around if the mullahs fall because … they don’t depend on tax receipts

02:30

culture war against the young and able people that are eager to serve for fractions of prevailing local wages are precisely those required in the real civ struggle against the chinese, who are actually well organised

02:31

How many refugees enter europe depends on how many those running europe allow to enter more than what happens in iran.

02:33

europe is an old folks home and the border is enormously and famously porous

02:34

The trump admin doesn't have any solutions because they are controlled by israel. Fuentes and everyone right of him understand that breaking israeli control is existential for america.

02:37

The border is porous because they aren't trying to defend it. Keeping out 3rd worlders on boats is not hard and more advanced infiltration raises the cost and make it unaffordable for most.

02:38

right, because migrant crossings over the belarussian border require advanced technology

02:40

or crossings over the ukrainian border, for that matter

02:42

It would if they were defended.

02:43

But it's actually as easy as sinking the boats NGOs use to ferry browns from north africa.

02:46

people facing demographic pyramid inversion actively pushing the notion of starving their own economies to fight the browns is hilarious

02:47

llms will not make up the difference in labour supply or productivity loss

02:47

hyperscalers already cannot plug in completed datacentres full of hardware for lack of power generation

02:48

meanwhile china is literally manufacturing so much pv that it exceeds the total all source installed electricity generation capacity in usa

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every year

02:49

The same people who created the demographic collapse are the ones now bringing the browns.

02:50

no, stupid, its the simple math of unexpectedly longer lifespans of the median westerner

02:50

Scale is not that important above some level. Also china exaggerates their population.

02:50

there's no global jewish conspiracy causing demographic inversion in the west plus japan, china, others

02:51

It's more than just increased life expectancy.

02:51

It is a global jewish conspiracy, actually.

02:52

You just make every effort to not look the beast in the eye.

02:52

over the last 70 years, global life expectancy went from 48 to 73

02:52

And if you exclude childhood mortality and war?

02:53

blaming jews for whatever ails you can imagine affect you is a real convenient excuse for deeply personal failures

02:55

You know nothing about me. Why are you emotionally invested in denying the global elite conspiracy hypothesis?

02:56

i'm still waiting for an explanation

02:58

An explanation of what?

02:59

what exactly is the global elite conspiracy

02:59

is it jews somehow buying all of the us suburbs

03:00

is jewish control of the trump admin causing them to pump money into ice and mass deportation programmes

03:00

That the elites controlling the west coordinated to produce a population crisis, then mass migration from the third world.

03:00

how did they do that

03:01

Through a wide range of social and economic policies.

03:01

name three of them

03:02

is it housing policy?

03:03

generous welfare states and social security, inflation, feminism

03:03

do these elites also control japan and china?

03:03

yes turning housing into a store of value was part of it

03:04

are you familiar with housing policy in japan?

03:04

japan is aligned with the west

03:04

how about housing policy in china?

03:05

japan certainly seems to have achieved demographic collapse

03:05

are you talking about price inflation or monetary inflation

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the chinese elite may be more independent, but i doubt they aren't heading towards convergence with the rest

03:06

mats: an increase in the amount of money

03:06

how does increasing money supply result in population crisis

03:07

it disincentivizes saving and increases people's effective time preference

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and people can be directed to save in things other than money like housing, which also helps cause it

03:09

how does increasing the money supply result in disincentivising saving

03:13

a fixed amount of money is worth less if there is more money in total

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jesus fucking christ

03:13

good thing you used a sockpuppet so i don't know which retard regular you are

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cya

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bye nigger

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lol

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svw: your enemy is real, but it doesn't wear funny hats, sideburns, or live in desert shithole. and after the latter gets glassed (only matter of time; a megatonne weighs maybe 100kg, less than 'harley') you'll find that nuffin's changed

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11:42

mats: meanwhile notion that folx living in a murdered civilization are 'trying to excuse personal failures' similarly lulzy

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12:00

murdered possibly, whether a shadowy global elite is coordinating it instead of some americans actively mismanaging it is in doubt

12:06

ie, doesn’t take a conspiracy to break the implied contract between political parties to govern in good faith by giving away Clinton’s budget surplus for Bush2 tax giveaways to corps and individual taxpayers

12:08

which has resulted in endless growth in the national budget because neither party can trust the other to betray them in follow on terms if they should act with fiscal responsibility

12:16

eu’s struggle to economically compete is in part regulatory, and also a reflection of a race to the bottom for which they’re politically unequipped to compete by thrashing their most productive

12:20

many eu states productivity per person per hour is highly competitive among advanced economies

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they also work few hours overall

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fewer

12:28

debt spiral in the west is broadly a political choice made intentionally over and over again through electoral process, not guided by an invisible elite

12:29

voters are actively refusing to raise individual and corporate taxes and refusing to cut benefits at a time when multiple generations have suddenly added decades of additional life expectancy

12:30

the incentives are ratcheted and obvious

12:31

waging another iteration of crusades on muslims and hispanics is not a whole of society effort to resolve the basic issue of unsustainable debt trajectory

12:32

but it is a good way to pump fuel into the train as it approaches the cliff

12:38

there are many smaller (and currently politically infeasible) policy solutions that can broadly contribute to managing the edges around the problem

12:40

ie, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2024-12-05#1116842

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Logged on 2024-12-05 02:29:49 mats: as for policy prescriptions nobody asked for, usa could mitigate some trillions of this by passing right to die legislation

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but, you know, for the mentally handicapped religious electorate

12:43

who refuse to approve such legislation on the grounds of their ghostwritten books, and in the future when it becomes a tenable matter of public discussion -- shadowy jew elite efforts to kill white peepo or whatever horseshit is dreamt up

12:57

mats: in no particular order: deindustrialization of usa didn't start with clinton; life expectancy of folx who made it through high school hasn't much changed in 100+y; and 'right to die' is sold in afaik all 50 states, pick yer favourite caliber, if you aint already got one

12:58

crusades, pointed out correctly at least that, won't help.

13:00

notion that tax policy has much to do with anyffin is lulzy, reich aint powered by tax revenues, but almost entirely via printing. tax is collected moar or less entirely to try to put at least token brakes on price inflation

13:01

( picture what would happen to prices if, as iirc was recently proposed, there were a year's holiday from income tax in usa )

13:06

'too many pensioners in reich' is broadly correct, but most of'em are not old or ill. they're the 90% of 'employed, productive' folx who are flipping bits back and forth. none of which actually need flipping, in the sense that roads need paving, petrol needs refining, etc

13:10

printolade destroyed the very concept of 'work' in the reich. folx with 3 neurons to rub together ran away from not only manual trades but even engineering (the actual kind, where something is built, rather than 1e4.pg reports written) because these arent proximate to the 'money pipe'

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and if you aren't near the money pipe, you lose bidding war over basic necessities to the people who are.

13:14

ever meet even vaguely 'aristocratic' specimens of 'homo americanus' ? the folx who won't fix a loose door knob on their 1.5m$ row house, because i suppose 'dirty' work, they need mexicans to tighten that screw (and can't always afford to call'em in, because 1e4$ monthly payment didn't leave enuff?)

13:16

this isn't even a new phenomenon, see 'laws of manu' (coupla 1e3y. old document, india) where 'brahmin may starve, but may not stoop to work'

13:17

meanwhile the folx who know how to turn a screw, can pick between affording house (day's ride or moar from civilization) or having teeth fixed.

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13:38

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117390 << nobody votes to have the few crumbs on his table get taken away. (which is why this 'bug' was fixed ages ago, 'vote' does jack shit, even if not errybody noticed. the remaining crumbs remain because actually required for 'business as usual'(tm) to plod along, not because 'power of vote' lol)

13:38

Logged on 2026-01-16 12:29:44 mats: voters are actively refusing to raise individual and corporate taxes and refusing to cut benefits at a time when multiple generations have suddenly added decades of additional life expectancy

13:48

the reich rot, meanwhile, is infectious, brought down e.g. japan, 30+y ago, at that, even tho 0 of the ills mats mentioned were at all present there -- tradition of seppuku (incl. for unemployed d00dz in their 40s) alive & well there, centuries of craft tradition & respect for work, etc. all a++. but then reich pushes a button & 'no one can afford family', kaput.

13:48

financialization will do that.

13:50

biting the hook of 'rule-based international order'(tm)(r)(c) will do that. when jp was playing brit empire 2.0 , 'co-prosperity sphere' complete with beheading olympics of the subjugated -- 0 problems with birth rate.

13:53

not even so many problems after hiroshima, when reich decided that jp would make a useful pawn against su. after su kaput -- sorry, surplus, slice lengthwise.

14:00

tell'em about 'fiscal responsibility' (lel) when reich e.g. levied extortionate fine on toshiba 'for reasons' and multiplied it by ~0. just 1 example, in the l0gz sumwhere iirc

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there's a reason why reich uses 'soft weapons', fentanyls, 1e6$ 'starter houses', etc. rather than 'you -- surplus, slice legthwise, report to death pods asap'. because when you tell fighting-age men they're 'surplus', you run certain risk.

14:12

when reich can no longer rob enuff to keep the zogbots counting the days until they make gs15/ses etc. -- then, curtain.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117386 << reich-style 'productivity metrics' (which include not only bit flippers, but e.g. the scam where people waste away from diseases ~unknown 100y ago even among centenarians, fed pharma priced for its weight in diamonds at state expense, and then mats wants to euthanize the victims)

14:24

Logged on 2026-01-16 12:20:32 mats: many eu states productivity per person per hour is highly competitive among advanced economies

14:24

.. this also 'productivity', lel, counts in 'gdp'!

14:25

reich.metrics. belong in same shitcan as 'official inflation %' (you still earnestly believe it's single-digit, mats ?) and all the other 'rule based order'(tm) squid inks

14:28

to believe that e.g. 'housing cost is under control'(tm)(r)(us goebbelses) when actually up 2-3x in the areas where economy actually alive, simply because in arkansas the hovels may even cost slightly less than before, because inhabitants OD'd -- and on average, ok! 'average temperature in this hospital is fine', nm that we include the morgue freezer

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asciilifeform can't help but have some admiration for the tenacity of mats , who seems well-set to persist in his religion even after, hypothetically, slowly dying of malnutrition and gulag-style abscesses and futilely trying to save enuff to afford quality cyanide, all the while 'economy' will surely be 'a++ in all metrics'

14:41

wasnt so hypothetical for e.g. generation of 'vietnam hobos' (rly, lived in usa all yer life and not met'em? not once?)

14:41

as a dirt people area enjoyer i can report that arkansas hovel prices are not going down

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asciilifeform waves to phf

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asciilifeform arguably also naive -- given as still entertained thought that the stats were 'creatively calculated' via inclusion of arkansases rather than pulled from arse

14:48

i guess stats can come from all kinds of places. like the lowest bidder developments that are popping up all over, they might just not be moving as fast as they were when there was the summer of love/covid exodus

14:50

in asciilifeform's corner of the united shitholes, visible to naked eye plenty of 'trading sardines'(tm), i.e. cardboard boxes which repeatedly change hands b/w speculators, each 1 presumably borrowing against it and writing off tax via 'lost rental revenue' all the while no 1 lives in'em

14:51

like you know how bethesda used to be a reasonable man's dc commute, while twinbrook/rockville was suburbs. now there are people who daily commute from mt airy. i'm not even saying frederick that's been going on for a while. you drive through those areas they have entire popup neighborhoods where joe miller sold his 300 acres for $900k 10 years ago, and now it's 5k housing units

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( many of'em 'flipped' (vintage, resurfaced with cheap plastic), many others recent builds )

14:51

aaha whole red line of dc metro fulla these

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green nao also

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the coupla 20th c factory ruins on green have evaporated, replaced with (mostly empty) these

14:52

well those popup suburbs is also where the popular youtube format of "look at these insane ode violations in new $2mil construction" comes from

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*code

14:53

at some pt they'll presumably wake up to the fact that they can build these 'chinese-style', i.e. 'lazily evaluated' drywall, plumbing fixtures, etc.

14:53

meanwhile in my area nothing moves. three entire counties have 5 houses listed.

14:58

afaik under current rules code inspection happens strictly when a human (i.e. sumbody who has to borrow the $ at interest to buy it) is aboutta move in, and not otherwise. so actually +ev, if/when human buys, can fix (if inspector even notices), until then, park the dough in building moar cardboard...

15:02

nah, at least in maryland you have mandatory inspection at each phase of construction. tbh i don't have personal experience with that, but neighbors build houses, somebody from county comes out at every step

15:02

evidently, somewhat 'flexible'

15:03

it maybe plays different in other counties. here it's more like your cousin is coming, but you are going to work to code, because you're building for yourself, yourself, and you're white

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asciilifeform had to redo good % of the wiring in his hovel, and not only the ossified cloth-bound 1950s horror, but the runs he had naively paid mexicans to put in at the start. both were not merely 'not to code' but active hazard, i.e. warm under load, respectable voltages on neutrals, nonexistent grounds, etc, you name it

15:06

yeah

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i redid roof with mexicans, but before i did learned how to do it myself, and redid a few sections to open things up, etc. i naively thought that the mexican team will be at least ok. nah, bottom of the barrel, break every rule, hide things asap, etc. i basically lived on that roof with them, and at some point they started shoping earlier and earlier hoping to patch things before i got there

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*showing up earlier

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the format is, you have a good old boy gringo handler, that's basically just pr. he talks to customer, collects money, and presents "face". none of these gringo handlers even speak spanish. instead the team itself is managed by a subcontractor, who is a mexican and does speak english. usually the only one on the team. and then the team itself is a long tail of expertise, where the head guy probably can do a decent job, but his people

15:13

are just pure labor, they'll work however they feel more or less.

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asciilifeform did a few rounds of this, camera on tripod, they look at you like at fascist komendant in kz camp. then noticed if you buy the supplies yerself, they can't skimp on supplies. and if you sit with them, and demand to participate, they can't cut as many corners. and then thought 'why am i paying these folx?', then logical conclusion.

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the gringo handler pretends to relay your tasks, while the team head pretends to listen to those tasks, but the goal is to finish and seal as fast as possible. then it's probabilities kick in. "inshala the roof won't leak" or "inshala the customer won't notice until rafters start collpasing" etc.

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phf: mine didn't come with 'gringo translator', were low-end

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asciilifeform own translator

15:16

well, gringo translator is totally useless. maybe they are required out here, because they are good old boys (sometimes in cowboy boots even!) on pickup trucks. but when you talk to them "i sold washers a year ago before i switched to this"

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they are people who are there to tell you that "jose is actually alright, been with us for many years" etc.

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and ever since the experience i can't but help noticing! like i keep running into these good old boys gringo handlers. they all look and sound the same "aw shucks i really need to learn spanish. i've been trying" meaning he knows a few words

15:19

shit's insane!

15:21

these folx taught from childhood that 'living like white man' is about pocketing $$$ while coolies 'do' (as little as they can) the work, neh. so -- logical

15:28

i don't know the causes of this systemic dysfunction. i don't have the unified theory myself

15:30

phf: a coupla times i actually got a specialist who'd been doing it since 1970 and actually perma-fixed for $smallint and shared useful info. these, unsurprisingly, rare, and can expect -> 0 in not too long

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^ as may expect can only be found via word of mouth, moar or less, rather than via corp dispatchers

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asciilifeform not pretends to know 'unified theory', but strongly suspects that it has to do with gradual disappearance of 'building for self'. most of the mexes, at least in early stages of asciilifeform's terraforming, all asked 'when will your tenants...' etc. no one guessed that asciilifeform intends to live in there himself, lol

15:35

'wait, live here? why would you live here'

15:35

i want a unified theory of civilization decay! :D

15:37

rather then a localized problem of shit contractors

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can't speak for errywhere else, but here -- prolly epiphenomenon of local landscape, where 'hey, you've got dough, why aintcha living in univ park [nearly grant-eater reservation with 1900s brick builds, multi-acre, etc] , if yer here, it's to set up rent box to fleece students, neh'

15:42

why are you living in student fleecing area anyway? can't hodl your way past death

15:45

also please to answer question, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-12-07#1035878

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(pest) 2025-12-07 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-12-04#1035816 << which reminds me, did you ever make a private backup of al schwartz's website?

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16:01

thwarted again!

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2026-01-11#1035890 << i for the record didn't read it, even though i bought it all these years ago. i figured there's not much to it beyond the premise. and i don't know anybody who did, so there's no one to convince me otherwise.

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(pest) 2026-01-11 billymg[asciilifeform]: has everyone else here already read The Camp of the Saints? i see that it was mentioned once in the logs, referencing a qntra mention

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-12-22#1035884 << i was curious about this, but i can't be arsed to go through 200 pages of it to find the section. can you please provide chapter/page reference. it's not a mechanism i'm familiar with from genera, but maybe i'm just not parsing it through a restatement

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(pest) 2025-12-22 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: reading from "the lisp machine window system manual"

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lisp machine has this whole thing where originally all applications are built around listeners, which itself is an overloaded io stream. so *standard-output*/*standard-input* in common lisp terms would be some heavily compounded flavor instance, that responds to hundreds of messages besides just io. instead of a repl you might attach it to a custom dsl, in which case getting an application's standard-input to feed it data might be

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useful? i've never personally seen that done

16:19

classical lisp machine applications are kind of like early adventure games, where you would have visual part, inventory, map whatever, but everything still translates into zork style input

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117399 << 1) some degree of deindustrialisation was inevitable, as usa was the last standing and then the world moves on after rebuilding. there are areas where i think it is problematic for economic security, ie, shipbuilding, semi mfg, mineral extraction, others -- and others are a consequence of rising incomes and generalised unwillingness to work in mfg

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Logged on 2026-01-16 12:57:35 asciilifeform: mats: in no particular order: deindustrialization of usa didn't start with clinton; life expectancy of folx who made it through high school hasn't much changed in 100+y; and 'right to die' is sold in afaik all 50 states, pick yer favourite caliber, if you aint already got one

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4435622/

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its very difficult to discuss vague causes of death like 'financialization', a popular catch-all for a thousand different modern ailments by soviet types

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yes, the printing press is enormously powerful, and it also doesn't account for most of what powers the us

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its hard to measure in some cases, which makes this an appealing explanation to the types generally uninterested in economy or finance

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first, you can compare the yield differential from treasuries vs comparable sovereign debt and multiply it by some arbitrary fraction of foreign accumulation to arrive at the savings in lower interest costs

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117467 << nope. all i've got is the rip of his original floppy essay collection (iirc still up in my www pub, and linked in logs sumewhere) and his www for its last 15y never updated, archive.org should cough up ~all of it with some scripting

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Logged on 2026-01-16 15:45:04 phf: also please to answer question, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-12-07#1035878

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second, you can estimate the seigniorage from physical usd circulating abroad, which is essentially an interest-free loan

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117466 << safety margin. and it aint the worst possible bang for buck, 1 of very few places where can buy 'everything' with ~0 use of wheeled coffin while not paying idjit premium for 'good neighbourhood'(tm)

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Logged on 2026-01-16 15:42:29 phf: why are you living in student fleecing area anyway? can't hodl your way past death

17:25

the others might include measuring the treasury premium owing to liquidity and perceived safety, but demand varies with global risk and its hard to break out

17:27

i don't even really know what to do with the endless complaints about measures like pce or cpi or gdp, as if they're invented in part or wholesale

17:27

mats: these things are approx as real to folx who not raised in the religion as dharmas and chakras are to typical usa inmate

17:28

usa isn't 1980s ussr, vast sources of data are collected and analysed by many parties with competing and unrelated interests

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they correspond to no objective physical qty, and treating'em like e.g. joules is disingenuous

17:28

they all have some quite well aligned interests.

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its like talking to people who insist that the covid vaccines have caused vast and unseen (because its been covered up) harm to enormous numbers of people

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like millions of people with the ability to know are actively colluding to cover up injuries across the entire surface of the planet, in every country on earth

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mats: i suppose you're solidly convinced that there was no fire behind that smoke. because wapo & nyt etc. and wouldn't want to lose yer teeth.

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(trilema) 2016-11-01 asciilifeform: 'Now I know what you're thinking, "but Maddox, I have all my teeth!" You won't for long. People who read alternate news sites will eventually lose their teeth. It's an Anankean inevitability; you're going to do something stupid like put a firecracker in your mouth because you are stupid. Want to know how I know? Because you read bullshit instead of news, and you not only think you're informed, but that you're smarter than the general

17:32

there are many vaccines with different manufacturers from different states

17:34

how is it that the chinese humint directorate has failed to uncover all of this harm caused by american or german pharma

17:34

mats: iirc cn baked own version ?

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( which worked approx. as well as the white devils' )

17:34

yeah, and india, russia, uk, swe

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if sinovac vaccines are harming people in se/c/e/.. asia, how is it that the us ic hasn't uncovered this and documented it

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mats: b/c subtle ding, like the mandatory folate in bread, rather than megaslaughter

17:36

perhaps all the great and middle powers are colluding to hide the injuries? in a highly automated and digitised society where total info control is impossible?

17:37

~total public narrative control is very much possible, and the 'vaccine killed trillions' folx are part of how.

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Logged on 2021-09-22 16:03:38 asciilifeform: couldn't be that the crankbait nonsense turned off like a fucking light as soon as off switch flipped ?

17:38

people who get these vaccines end up in databases, and whether they're being injured or killed in relatively short order is reducible in data even in parts per million

17:39

cdc is made of people, and so are all of the other 50 state health depts that collect and analyze this data

17:39

mats: the folx who died elementarily because hospitals were 'full' (in fact, mostly closed, 'for reasons') also theoretically 'in a db somewhere'. or not. but in either case nobody's about to count'em or tell you the count or otherwise anyffin but 'shuddup, terrorist, conspiracist'

17:39

not to mention the thousands of municipal/provincial/national/whatevers of other orgs in nations worldwide that do this

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because people ARE counting them, all the time and throughout the last 5-6y, and there's no great secret of which only you and some others in the know happen to have gleaned from the dark

17:42

hysterical astrological nonsense

17:42

how's it a seekrit? the various workers who saw ~empty hospitals while folx turned away, spoke publicly, sacked, blacklisted. and quite aware that in mats's religion, 'it never happened', 'conspiratorial bunkum' etc. there's no possible counter-argument.

17:43

idk what empty hospitals you're talking about, but its totally possible, sure

17:44

healthcare systems worldwide were famously overwhelmed, underequipped, understaffed for a large and continuous mass cas event

17:44

mats wants to extend credit to the reich, give it benefit of doubt, believe at face value, because -- can only guess -- wants to feel 'part of respectable society', or at the very least to believe that he's living in 'vhs usa'. trying to argue him outta this is quite beyond asciilifeform's paygrade.

17:45

i don't credit the reich as having worldwide supreme deific power to cover up exceptional crimes to hundreds of millions of people across earth

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evidently not 'deific', given as the 'all the useless pensioners croak' project -- not worked, there are still some for mats to advocate euthanizing, seems

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the reich has competitors, its reach is neither infinite nor godlike, and salacious secrets famously leak through sieves

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vaccine induced myocarditis was a conspiracy theory for at least four years until harvard and guardian started talking about. you could easily lose a job (and e.g. robert malone lost his various org memberships) if you claimed that was the case.

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it was a known side effect for at least that long

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reich fixed 'leaks' when us psyops directorate in 1950s invented 'ufology' to get crashed seekrit jets permanently out of the press/public discussion

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same tactic worked a++ since, and remains in use

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mats: that is straight up gaslighting. i figured i'll throw that out there, but asciilifeform is otherwise correct in his assesment

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the nuanced judgment then and now is that for many population categories that benefits override the risk

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idk who malone is, but if i heard about some doctor going on tv selling a tabloid tier story about young people being killed by myocarditis in droves, they probably should be defrocked

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"Robert Wallace Malone (born October 20, 1959)[1][2] is an American physician and biochemist. His early work focused on mRNA technology,[3] pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. He is credited for the first successful transfection of designed mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle.[4] During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines."

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