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00:49 signpost thimbronion: fired up a blatta with my old alcuin config, lmk if I need to do anything else
00:53 signpost seems like we might need to exchange new secrets given the size reqs, if so shoot me a gpggram at your leisure
00:59 shinohai So I *did* figure out that db trashing only causes barf if you dont run both UNPEER and UNKEY right after one another. So far, seems fine.
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01:32 thimbronion signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=PzJJ
01:41 thimbronion asciilifeform: I think you have a test irc server still trying to connect to the test net we set up way back...
01:44 thimbronion signpost: you'll need to run the /peer, /at, and /key commands to connect.
01:46 asciilifeform thimbronion: lol possibly, i'ma check
01:47 * asciilifeform intends to test thimbronion's thing in coming days
01:47 thimbronion asciilifeform: excellent. I likely won't have time to patch the reported bugs until the weekend so beware.
~ 1 hours 34 minutes ~
03:22 signpost thimbronion: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=JED0
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06:27 punkman lulzy https://twitter.com/AbbottCampaign/status/1455158947522957315
06:32 punkman https://skylightcyber.com/2019/05/12/ethereum-smart-contracts-exploitation-using-right-to-left-override-character/
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13:00 thimbronion signpost: we both use the same key
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14:19 signpost ah right.
14:26 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
14:26 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $62052.91
14:26 asciilifeform !w poll
14:26 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
14:26 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
14:26 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
14:26 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
14:26 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708004
14:26 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
14:26 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708034
14:26 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034 (Operator: asciilifeform)
14:26 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.175s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708012
14:26 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707660 (Operator: whaack)
14:26 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.165s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
14:26 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.244s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
14:26 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.335s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
14:26 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.317s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708012
14:26 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.947s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034 (Operator: asciilifeform)
14:27 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
14:27 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
14:28 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
14:28 asciilifeform meanwhile, in misc. chinesium.
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14:37 signpost "Most people with souls are mystified by the sky, the ocean and nature; Americans mostly aren't." << this is the thing I most despise about these people.
14:37 signpost might have to pick up this book.
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14:37 signpost and good morning asciilifeform!
14:39 signpost thimbronion: appears to be connecting and disconnecting a lot
14:40 signpost http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=iEYL
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14:41 thimbronion signpost: i suspect someone's irc daemon is attempting to create a link
14:42 thimbronion You can get rid of that by listening for IRC client connections on a different port
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15:16 signpost thimbronion: cool, will just ignore it for now. am I dense or is /quote /at not working in weechat
15:16 thimbronion signpost: you don't need the slash in front of the command after /quote for some reason
15:17 signpost ah ok. and it's just empty, so /quote at has no response?
15:17 thimbronion signpost: yeah. I need to add some feedback for commands.
15:18 signpost thimbronion: is the config.py not used now, and I should instead peer up with you via commands?
15:18 signpost wasn't sure what the interaction was between the two.
15:19 thimbronion signpost: the config.py is no longer necessary, although for debugging/testing purposes you can import the address table/wot from a .py file like those in test_net_configs using --address-table-path if you want.
15:20 thimbronion But yes probably best to peer up using the commands.
15:22 signpost cool, will give that a try in a few.
15:22 * signpost will have much more attention to spend on this in about a week
15:25 thimbronion signpost: Cool!
15:27 asciilifeform 'morning signpost et al !
15:29 * asciilifeform hoping to spend some cycles to help debug thimbronion's prototype in coming week
15:29 asciilifeform lulzily, asciilifeform's furnace broke down, but 75f in torture room, simply from the x86 spaceheaters alone
15:29 * shinohai still tinkering with thimbronion's thing, bot stayed connected overnite so am pleased.
15:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063090 << if found a working warez, plox to link. seems ~unobtainable in dead tree.
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15:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 10:37:46 signpost: might have to pick up this book.
15:32 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063093 << hmm loox like my dulap, and left over from last round of ircism. i'ma fix.
15:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 10:40:03 signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=iEYL
15:35 asciilifeform done
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16:46 cgra http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063111 << simply found an apparently working link from mentioned piece's comment section
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16:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 11:31:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063090 << if found a working warez, plox to link. seems ~unobtainable in dead tree.
16:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 10:28:43 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. chinesium.
16:57 asciilifeform cgra: thx! worx
17:09 asciilifeform !q uptime
17:09 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 140d 14h 7m
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17:29 signpost rad, ty cgra
17:31 asciilifeform upstack, trb org dns still points to devnull
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17:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-01 22:23:30 asciilifeform: in other strange, therealbitcoin.org aint expired, but apparently updated on 23 oct to point to dead (?) box. while the other one to live. why? nfi (ask jurov ? if anyone knows where to find him)
17:32 asciilifeform the site still loads, but given an apparently total lack of cooperation from jurov , asciilifeform is likely doomed to the chore of setting up a fresh one.
17:33 asciilifeform why he moved the dns remains a mystery.
17:39 asciilifeform the tbf piggy has not been eaten, so remains theoretically possible that jurov will reappear (perhaps thought we had sank w/ fleanode? nfi)
17:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-31 22:51:20 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-31#1062555 << fwiw it hasn't moved anywhere.
17:41 asciilifeform if anyone tuned in has a contact addr for him, now's the time to try an' roust him.
17:44 signpost thought he had surfaced here recently, but maybe it was on the other.
17:44 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere jurov
17:44 dulapbot jurov last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-07-02 12:26:27: i read about mp yesterday, then said to myself stop procrastinating and check back
17:44 asciilifeform ^ afaik most recent public sighting.
17:46 asciilifeform last point at which asciilifeform's logger was present on fleanode ftr.
17:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-03 16:43:09 asciilifeform: finally gets off fleanode for good.
17:46 signpost fwiw his key mentions an email
17:46 signpost if asciilifeform wants to write him
17:46 asciilifeform oh hm
17:46 * asciilifeform goes to write
17:50 * asciilifeform sent him a mail.
17:51 asciilifeform text of msg ftr.
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18:06 asciilifeform cgra: didja ever post your recent trb bugola finds ?
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18:09 * asciilifeform would quite like to bring the trb ml back to life.
18:09 asciilifeform imho is over9000x better format for such work than realtime irc
18:11 * asciilifeform will set up a new piggy also, if it comes to this, but sadly doesn't have megafortune to contribute to same
18:12 * asciilifeform would need a volunteer for role of treasurer 1st. rather than '1 d00d judge, jury, executioner' lulshow
18:13 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere mod6
18:13 dulapbot mod6 last seen in #trilema on 2020-03-02 20:19:23: mp_en_viaje: Ahhh, alright, thanks for the update.
18:14 asciilifeform !q seen bomolochus
18:14 dulapbot bomolochus last seen here on 2021-09-17 15:54:56: thimbronion: stock character from greek plays, "buffoon" aha
18:22 shinohai No idea how to track down mod6 .... last I spoke with him was via DM on fleanode right before implosion.
18:22 cgra http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063142 << thought i'd try to fix, then slowly ended up feeling was actually trying to sip from another massive "spittoon" here.. possibly what asciilifeform was talking earlier of. may be so that can't just fix those "couple of issues" without re-designing large parts from ground-up
18:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 14:06:07 asciilifeform: cgra: didja ever post your recent trb bugola finds ?
18:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 13:00:53 asciilifeform: cgra: now see logic of asciilifeform's earlier summary ?
18:23 asciilifeform cgra: imho at least oughta 'fix' in the sense of plugging the remote-dos hole (as asciilifeform & mod6 did for the transmit buffer barf)
18:24 asciilifeform but indeed a 'proper fix' inescapably involves burning the whole rancid piece of shit to the ground
18:24 asciilifeform sadly no one presently has the cycles for the latter afaik.
18:25 asciilifeform ( tho imho asciilifeform in fact had laid out all of the necessary groundwork components for this . )
18:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-26 10:32:39 asciilifeform: 'nqb' was actually about this -- attempt to represent traditional tx/blox in a maximally, as possible, 'trbi'-like form, for O(1) storage/retrieval.
18:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-26 10:36:57 asciilifeform: ( preallocate with 'cryostat', naturally )
18:27 cgra asciilifeform: i could detail the specific items at least, for now, if yields any benefit (not to say they're somehow hard to discover -- more like "how come nobody ever mentioned before, or did i miss something?")
18:28 asciilifeform cgra: would be quite useful imho.
18:28 asciilifeform cgra: optimal place for this would be the ml, but given as it's in suspended animation, why not on your www.
18:29 * asciilifeform promises to read.
18:29 signpost imho perfect example of why build atop pest in time ^
18:29 signpost ML posts should just be queryable and retrieved by whomever has
18:30 * signpost mighty interested in this
18:30 asciilifeform signpost: indeed
18:30 cgra asciilifeform: i'll write, possibly within few days
18:30 asciilifeform signpost: see also .
18:30 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-29 21:07:32 asciilifeform: jonsykkel: see linked thrd for basic outline of algo. idea is, if you have a www ('vvv' ??) of signed material, will then have as many mirrors as you have readers. and they'll all have up-to-date, authentic content of yours, trivially verifiably. nomoar ddos, expensive hostings, warez takedowns, etc
18:30 signpost 100%
18:31 asciilifeform cgra: ty!
18:31 signpost this was the dream of semantic web, internet of facts, not IP addresses/boxes, even if the instantiations to date were academic crap.
18:32 asciilifeform signpost: from asciilifeform's reading of the period materials, seems that quite a few folx understood that baking in the physical happenstance of 'which box' into hyperlinks is retarded. (e.g. t.nelson understood, in 1960s.) but the 'wat-do' remained nonobv. until recently.
18:34 asciilifeform imho vtron in fact supplies most of the necessary abstraction. hyperlink can consist of 1) hash 2) offset 3) length .
18:34 asciilifeform and this exhaustively covers it.
18:35 asciilifeform handles the 'update' problem, as well
18:36 asciilifeform nomoar 'link rot' -- the linked material sticks around until sol burns out.
18:37 asciilifeform spamola-problem is handled by simple fact of folx mirroring strictly material from their l1/l2.
18:38 signpost yep, and cut functionality there. any interesting parsing of retrieved material is left for another proggy.
18:38 asciilifeform aaha
18:40 * asciilifeform would naively imagine that the possibility of a working (and fits-in-head) solution to this ~century-old problem would excite folx. but nah most would rather play with shitcoins iguess
18:41 signpost if bitcoin continues to liberate me, quite interesting.
18:42 asciilifeform i suspect this explains the comparative stagnation of p2p tech vs. damn near errythingelse. i.e. nobody's ever 'getting rich' on a p2pism.
18:42 * signpost hopes others here "retire" to works, if they retire.
18:42 signpost whole fucking point of republic, as I saw. get stack, then works.
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18:43 asciilifeform signpost: the near-exponentially rising cost of 'living like white man' is imho the scourge there. e.g. asciilifeform would need b/w 1 and 2 'new zeroes' to join signpost et al in 'retire to works'
18:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-31 23:04:14 asciilifeform: gotta keep lights on until the quasi-mythical 'victory day' when exch rate grows that new 0
18:44 asciilifeform until then , stuck scuba-diving in liquishit with very occasional breaths of air.
18:45 asciilifeform ( see also, lol )
18:45 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-27 19:11:43 asciilifeform: 'So I can eat in the bedroom,' he said in a slightly muffled voice, 'read in the consulting-room, dress in the hall, operate in the maid's room and examine patients in the dining-room. I expect that is what Isadora Duncan does. Perhaps she eats in her study and dissects rabbits in the bathroom. Perhaps. But I'm not Isadora Duncan. . . !' he turned yellow. 'I shall eat in the diningroom and operate in the operating thea
18:45 * signpost figures the 1 is coming, and before 2 no dollar worth mentioning.
18:45 signpost I'm short term reasoning with the exchange rate, but long-term reasoning with the fraction-of-total-btc
18:45 * signpost knows full well this may mean a short life. nothing says I survive the US-version of 1991
18:46 signpost there's also a fork in the road ahead for me where woods, solar panels, greenhouse, and will happily end the road there if someone came to take.
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18:47 asciilifeform seems that signpost is quite well positioned, comparatively, for the 1991.
18:47 asciilifeform ditto thimbronion , billymg , shinohai
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18:50 * asciilifeform finds interesting that there appears to be a danger zone on the ~upper~ end of things, i.e. 'mortido' taking forms of e.g. costly substance abuse, costa rica swims, etc. many moar ameri-millionaires burned in chopper crashes than from plebe bullet, always found this interesting.
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18:50 thimbronion One more zero and I'll likely be doing mostly works. If the zero comes off, back to plain old work.
18:51 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere mthreat
18:51 dulapbot mthreat last seen in #trilema on 2017-04-01 12:15:47: ya the -800 is pretty new right
18:51 gregory5 asciilifeform: signpost: that book "America against America" is well known among Chinese people who follow geopolitics.
18:52 asciilifeform wonder what became of him. met at c2 in argentinistan, d00d bought own mig, etc
18:52 gregory5 I can send you my digital copy.
18:52 signpost gregory5: snagged from that link, but ty!
18:52 asciilifeform gregory5: already found, ty
18:52 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 12:46:59 cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063111 << simply found an apparently working link from mentioned piece's comment section
18:53 signpost gregory5: ironically the only hope for the place may be cold war with China, given the US has no unifying narrative but the other.
18:53 gregory5 oh, I didn't see that someone already posted it.
18:53 asciilifeform 'war' (of whatever temperature) against the folx who supply ~100% of what's sold in shops is lulzy concept imho.
18:53 * signpost will look forward to reading a critique from outside the bubble.
18:54 signpost asciilifeform: and dumber shit's been done!
18:54 gregory5 a related book is Unrestricted Warfare (1999) by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui.
18:55 signpost same folks that just shot a hypersonic "vehicle" around the earth and tagged within MIRV range of target
18:55 signpost gregory5: will happily take any links you think would be of interest.
18:55 asciilifeform signpost: recall the cn sub off the coast of californistan, target practice in broad daylight w/ ~total noose blackout?
18:56 asciilifeform iirc '17
18:56 signpost chicoms probably told the news outlets to hush.
18:56 signpost would be hilarious if this takes the form "we will pull ad spend" from w/e fakecorps
18:57 * asciilifeform suspects that it didn't require an explicit hush memo
18:58 * asciilifeform doesn't expect that ameri-analogue of e.g. this document will ever surface. likely, no such thing exists. much 'implicit' 'gentleman's agreement' in ameri-fishwraps
18:58 dulapbot Logged on 2020-09-13 20:43:22 asciilifeform: in wholly unrelated historical lulz : 'Перечень сведений, запрещенных к опубликованию в открытой печати, передачах по радио и телевидению' ('catalogue of facts prohibited from publication in open press, radio and television broadcasts.') seekrit handbook for censors actually published in sovok from '49-'90.
18:58 signpost yeah, less funny that, and likely true.
18:58 signpost still, I figure the US is quite infiltrated by now.
18:59 asciilifeform imho 'infiltrate' is perhaps understatement. moar like the relationship b/w master and dog.
19:00 asciilifeform perhaps dogs already imagine they are 'fighting cold war' against humans.
19:00 signpost pretty sad. I'm not an end times guy, but dpb will maybe appreciate that I find "whore of babylon" a fitting symbol.
19:00 signpost fits because perennial
19:07 asciilifeform signpost: upstack, tried solarism ? do you have the setup w/ batteries ?
19:07 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 14:46:49 signpost: there's also a fork in the road ahead for me where woods, solar panels, greenhouse, and will happily end the road there if someone came to take.
19:08 asciilifeform allegedly one can buy proper ones ( coupla thou. deep cycles ) nao
19:09 signpost haven't started building that out yet, probably relocating q2-3 next year
19:09 signpost but I've got a relative in that business, will largely defer to his advice on rig.
19:09 signpost I'll document on the blog when I get this going
19:09 * asciilifeform relocating in coupla mo. to a place where theoretically could experiment w/ such exotica.
19:09 asciilifeform apparently there's even a lavish usg subsidy for these.
19:10 signpost indeed, and seems halfway decent approach to inflation.
19:11 signpost carve off as many expenses as possible. would like to also mine enough BTC to cover property tax, but will see.
19:11 asciilifeform there's not much else where can park usd productively, aha
19:12 asciilifeform signpost: interesting, afaik availability of vaguely-recent minertrons in retail is ~0. but possibly asciilifeform simply has not looked hardenuff
19:13 asciilifeform re buildings, 'geothermal' device also interesting from this pov.
19:13 asciilifeform (and similarly subsidized in usa)
19:14 signpost https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020211103113634212BOC9RP4I060D << claims to be able to ship, but haven't tested this hypothesis.
19:15 signpost by my math 1-2 of those oughta pay current property tax at roughly the cost of 1yr's worth.
19:16 signpost those taxes are often limited by "homestead" classification on how much they can increase per year, and meanwhile BTC rises to perhaps offset fall in miner yield.
19:17 signpost if they simply unilaterally raise taxes to million/year, I'll know I'm living in a failed state and act accordingly
19:17 signpost i.e. not pay.
19:17 asciilifeform random www calculator confirms, <1y or so
19:17 signpost yeah used same
19:18 asciilifeform (naturally presupposes constant diff)
19:19 * asciilifeform suspects that the ideal location for this trick would be e.g. alaska (otherwise add a dime or two per kW/hr for cooling)
19:19 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-27 15:11:50 asciilifeform: whereas pv-miner could be just about anywhere, a single sat dish could easily serve any # of units in e.g. alaska
19:20 signpost yeah, but too miserably off-grid for me up there.
19:20 signpost headed to new england, will just leave the US if that becomes untenable
19:21 asciilifeform imho could be +ev to manufacture miners intended for passive (i.e. steel stake in earth) cooling, w/ integrated pv panel
19:21 asciilifeform but atm ordinary mains socket 'too cheap' for this, possib.
19:21 signpost I think so, just someone needs to convince the solar people.
19:21 asciilifeform traditional miners afaik all presuppose ideal 20c dehumidified datacenter air
19:22 asciilifeform ( sucked through plastic fans etc )
19:22 signpost seems a perfect fit; they've got a variable-yield asset that BTC would happily make more regular
19:22 signpost in re: fluctuations of profitability of selling the power
19:22 asciilifeform aha
19:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-27 15:02:16 asciilifeform: wonders whether anyone has tried integrating miner into pv panel. ~0 transmission loss, and if the panel gets shaded, the thing simply cranks down, and then cranks back up when cloud passes, etc
19:23 * signpost would not be sad if his own space-station experiments yielded a decent company down the line.
19:23 signpost but if they have any sense, the folks that are already doing this will get a move on.
19:23 asciilifeform historically they've displayed a jaw-dropping lack of sense
19:24 signpost mostly suckling the brrrrr, hard to think in there.
19:24 asciilifeform this particular sword-in-the-stone could easily stay in the stone until signpost pulls.
19:25 asciilifeform even a minertron that can dynamically obey command 'use x kw/hr' would be a++ interesting.
19:26 asciilifeform to, say, anyone w/ spare mains capacity in dc.
19:27 signpost BTC should absolutely be turning all waste into wealth.
19:27 * signpost ranted to wife on a recent drive through texas when we passed natgas being flared off
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19:27 signpost it's 2021, what the fuck are they doing
19:30 mats there should be a surplus of miners for at least the next year
19:30 signpost mats: yeah, chinsese dumping?
19:30 mats yeah
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20:20 asciilifeform wb PeterL
20:29 PeterL oh hey
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20:54 asciilifeform how's life PeterL ?
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23:41 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063088 << good read, and thanks for the link to the full text cgra
23:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 10:28:43 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. chinesium.
23:48 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063273 << signpost might want to reach out to this guy if interested in this general direction, he's been doing it for a few years now
23:48 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 15:27:31 signpost: ranted to wife on a recent drive through texas when we passed natgas being flared off
23:52 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-03#1063198 << we'll see. i wish i shared e.g. mats' optimism re: rule of law and all that
23:52 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-03 14:47:22 asciilifeform: ditto thimbronion , billymg , shinohai
23:52 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-20 20:48:19 mats: talk to a tax attorney and then do what i'm told
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