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BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform Occasionally orcs have the Miami illusion broken, but more rubbing faces of Californians and New Yorkers that they are third world now. |
| 09:10 |
feedbot |
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| 10:50 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
| 10:50 |
btcinfobot |
Current BTC price in USD: $13114.69 |
| 10:50 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 10:50 |
watchglass |
Polling 16 nodes... |
| 10:50 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654557 |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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| 10:50 |
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| 10:52 |
watchglass |
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| 14:41 |
cgra |
asciilifeform: i've taken a break from trb study and sat on your FFA course bench |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
wb cgra. how'd it go ? |
| 14:41 |
cgra |
the context strongly suggests i just atm suck at binary thinking, so i came looking for advice to better understand the thought model related to FZ word order. It's been discussed previously, but I didn't get a clue from there enough to understand why isn't junior-word-first worse than senior-word-first |
| 14:41 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2019-04-18 asciilifeform: to sum up the thread, asciilifeform's 'official' position is that this entire subj is exactly naggum's 'tooth licking' -- it is problem only if someone fixates on thinking of it as problem. |
| 14:41 |
cgra |
personally, my brain melts at this point (i have no issue with ch 10 diagrams), because while Q's bits really step into R, shifting QR contents *left* strongly suggests the opposite, "QR" has "R" on the right, from where going left, ends up in "Q". |
| 14:41 |
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asciilifeform looks |
| 14:41 |
cgra |
i didn't understand how ada index syntax would've helped anything. my brain keeps insisting on "why not senior word on FZ'First, junior word on FZ'Last", and get rid of extra "shift zig-zag" thinking pattern |
| 14:41 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2019-04-18 asciilifeform: folx who dun like that ada asks you to write arrays low ... high , can make own lang and write arithmetron for selves in it, it is not a priority for asciilifeform and i dun see an argument for making it one. |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: i don't see where is this alleged 'zigzag' |
| 14:43 |
cgra |
possibly only in my brain, i'll try and open it up more: |
| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: FZ are stored junior-word-first. exactly same as in every other (afaik) bignum system to date. |
| 14:44 |
cgra |
shifting left contents of "QR", would imply by name that whatever is on R, drifts into Q. which is not true in this case. when i try to get my head around of the reality, this is where i end up thinking zig-zag. |
| 14:44 |
cgra |
where should i look for to understand why junior-word-first? |
| 14:44 |
cgra |
just dig libs' code? |
| 14:46 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: i cannot picture why you would even contemplate storing'em senior-first. this is like to ask 'why not stand on yer head' imho. |
| 14:47 |
cgra |
heh, yes. this must be why it isn't talked much. it's exactly how i feel, too. my brain was wired "left-handed" apparently |
| 14:49 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: in principle, it would be possible to do all of ffa in standing-on-head order -- e.g. in add/sub, decrement loops instead of increment, and so on. but ~why~ . |
| 14:49 |
cgra |
i keep wanting to think the bignum in "paper order", and i get zig-zag on shifts if they're junior-first, ie. not paper order |
| 14:51 |
cgra |
asciilifeform: is "paper order" senior-word first in your mind? |
| 14:52 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: i think i can see why you (and at least 1 other reader in the past) confused. you picture Q on left because when writing 'QR' , it is written first. whereas in reality Q refers to the ~bottom~ Dividend'Length-word portion of the register QR. |
| 14:52 |
cgra |
my brain wants words to be in same order as in intra-word bits, does that make any more sense? |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: as you read, make a list of cases like this, i'ma consider'em for stylistic fix prior to (future) dead-tree ver. of ffa. |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: my problem arguably is that i have no trouble (unconsciously) flipping left-rights as-needed correctly. |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
as i wrote ffa, i pictured registers as physical objects, and rotated'em as-req'd in my head. |
| 14:54 |
cgra |
asciilifeform: yeah this, sounds what i meant |
| 14:55 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: aha. so, what to you feels like zigzag, to me simply 'looking from behind'. but imho is fair criticism, in all places where e.g. XY, oughta be so that X refers to upper portion of XY, and Y -- to lower . |
| 14:56 |
cgra |
right |
| 14:56 |
asciilifeform |
in e.g. multiplication, i used explicit 'Lo' and 'Hi' to denote. prolly oughta retrofit same convention to earlier ch's. |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: i gotta go shortly, but do not hesitate to throw ffaisms into the log, i promise to answer'em in detail asap. |
| 14:58 |
cgra |
i suppose in the long run, shouldn't hurt to exercise my brain though (for reading versatility), asciilifeform have any idea from where did this model of thinking got stuck? |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: yours or mine ? |
| 14:58 |
cgra |
yours |
| 15:00 |
cgra |
asciilifeform: i'll take notes of those "zig-zag" issues and let you know sometime in the future |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
in example 'QR', i think of Q as lower, given that it appears first. as if were expanded into list, {Q1, Q2, ..., Qk, R1, R2, ..., Rj} of words. |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: does this make sense to you ? |
| 15:01 |
cgra |
asciilifeform: i gotta split as well, had really small window of contact here. i'll consider your comments and return when got anything to talk about |
| 15:01 |
asciilifeform |
ok. later then. |
| 15:01 |
cgra |
laters |
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| 19:23 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform: "internal server error" when searching logs on yer www |
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| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: what's the search string ? |
| 22:00 |
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asciilifeform does not recall ever achieving eggog when testing search, other than on certain malformed uniturds (all afaik handled in recent vers) |
| 22:02 |
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asciilifeform still cannot grasp how the fuck folx think 'i saw eggog' is a usefully complete eggog report. WHAT WAS THE INPUT ??!!! for fuck's sake! |
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| 22:05 |
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asciilifeform bbl. |