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10:26 asciilifeform meanwhile in comments.
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10:40 asciilifeform thimbronion: answered.
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11:11 thimbronion asciilifeform: got it. for future reference, I am subscribed to the comments feed and will be notified of any comments.
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11:37 asciilifeform aite
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14:32 asciilifeform meanwhile in a++ pieces from lurking folx.
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15:55 asciilifeform in other noose, RIP john conway.
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16:15 Apocalyptic RIP indeed
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16:48 * asciilifeform just like the last time, quite disgusted after reading the plankton commentaries
16:57 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, is it an usual behaviour to have static libs not resolving symbols from other (static) libs ?
16:58 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: occasionally one finds that a static build (necessarily on a nonstatic os) didn't actually work, and result uses e.g. dload
16:58 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: why, didja catch one red-handed ?
16:59 Apocalyptic I managed to build a static version of libgmp, but then I wanted to build a static lib of gmp-ecm, which did build
16:59 Apocalyptic however when I do link -lecm , it complains about not resolving symbols from libgmp
17:00 asciilifeform sounds like paths issue
17:00 Apocalyptic when I do specify "-lecm -lgmp", it does link against gmp, but dynamically so
17:01 asciilifeform see e.g. this example re use of static c libs.
17:01 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, I may have a naive view of static libs, but I thought and suspected until now the second lib would have all the functions from the first inside
17:01 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: the correct way to do these is on a box where the dynamic libs aint present anywhere
17:01 Apocalyptic so libecm would bundle all the libgmp bits it needs
17:01 asciilifeform so then certain they dun get linked in dynamically
17:02 asciilifeform for gcc's linker, you need not only the lib (visible to linker) but the corresponding header (visible to compiler)
17:02 asciilifeform only then get working build
17:03 asciilifeform when you -lxyz , it will find whichever xyz is 1st in yer path
17:03 asciilifeform if yer box has the dynamic one, that's likely to be it
17:03 Apocalyptic today I learned that "Static libraries do not link with other static libraries. The only way to do this is to use your librarian/archiver tool (for example ar on Linux) to create a single new static library by concatenating the multiple libraries."
17:03 asciilifeform aha, you get a '.a'
17:03 asciilifeform see the mpi example.
17:04 Apocalyptic I do have two '.a' currently
17:04 asciilifeform so you want them, and only them, in yer libs path; and the corresponding headers in include path.
17:05 Apocalyptic I should probably nuke all the .so present
17:06 asciilifeform see example .
17:06 Apocalyptic ty
17:06 asciilifeform nix the '-l' , it expands to the dyn. linkable crapola
17:07 Apocalyptic I was using opensores makefiles as is found in the gmp-ecm repo
17:07 asciilifeform typically these are of 0 help when doing a static
17:07 Apocalyptic so no doubt I should review all these gcc and libtool calls
17:07 Apocalyptic I was trapped by a "--enable-static" nicely looking flag for a ./configure
17:07 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: outta curiosity, what were you building ?
17:09 Apocalyptic I'm building cado-nfs and some misc tools in it requires the present of said gmp-ecm lib
17:09 asciilifeform a
17:09 Apocalyptic I'm experimenting to get fully-static build, (as far as the math libs goes at least)
17:10 Apocalyptic there's gonna be dynamic dload,pthread crapolade left no matter what
17:10 * asciilifeform wonders whether it'd build with his static mpi
17:10 asciilifeform prolly you wouldn't want to , tho, i nuked the asm inlines
17:11 Apocalyptic yeah this is actually needed for heavy fast computations
17:12 Apocalyptic I discovered they have an almost complete implementation of DLP solvers in finite fields of the form GF(p^2)
17:12 Apocalyptic and support for the more general GP(p^k) for small k
17:12 asciilifeform bake a ecdsa phuctor, wainot
17:13 Apocalyptic not easy to find those around, compared to Z/pZ implementations which there is plenty of
17:15 asciilifeform if yer doing serious numerics, expect to write own stack eventually, the opensores crud is typically good for nuffin in particular
17:15 asciilifeform (optimized neither for speed, nor compactness, nor 'fit in head')
17:17 asciilifeform and ftr the use of cpp of any form in a speed-sensitive application is nuttery
17:17 Apocalyptic I doubt I could beat all the asm-ism they have in libgmp
17:17 Apocalyptic speed-wise
17:18 asciilifeform on one occasion, i did, without even trying . their choice of algos is sometimes sad.
17:19 * asciilifeform strongly suspects that an asm-massaged ~branch free~ numerics stack would beat the shit outta gmp, on current-day irons
17:20 asciilifeform cache miss costs hell of a lot moar than a few thou. redundant ADDs etc
17:21 Apocalyptic would you recommend such practices of bundling several static libs into one ?
17:22 asciilifeform it's that, or actually fiddling w/ the coad, afaik
17:25 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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18:03 Apocalyptic for completeness: after using ar to create the megalib, it indeed links statically to both and no unresolved symbol errors
18:03 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: neato, congrats
18:05 asciilifeform fwiw this is what gnat does internally when building ffa.
18:05 asciilifeform (you get a libFFA.a)
18:07 asciilifeform (there is however no use of gnumake in ffa; instead uses the much saner 'gprbuild' mechanism that comes in gnat)
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