| 13:03 |
thimbronion |
Update on the war on small business: my uncle has had two tenants (restoraunts I think) go out of business already. My cousin's mall's anchor business is closed indefinitely. |
| 13:04 |
thimbronion |
*restaurant |
| 13:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Damn |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: if the crown 'pushed pause button' on productive economy, but not on rents -- then naturally ~errything other than crematorium will eventually go outta biz. |
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| 13:11 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: clear as day. |
| 13:12 |
thimbronion |
Meanwhile no one getting lynched. |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
theoretically -- landlords who aren't mortgaged to the hilt, could choose to write off rent while tenants are forcibly closed. but i've yet to hear of any such. |
| 13:18 |
thimbronion |
An apartment complex I rent from allowed tenants to apply to not have to pay rent. Co-working space also offered to not charge rent during the shutdown. |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: 'not pay' as in written off, or as in 'pay later' ? |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
cuz the latter simply turns fast death into slow |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
( from where is e.g. shuttered restaurant to get the $maxint to 'pay later' ? ) |
| 13:21 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: looks like deferral. |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
so empty gesture. |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
owe now or owe later, if n months of 0 revenue, yer bankrupt |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
difficult to see , in this light, how 'official quarantine' is anyffin other than an organized robbery of the productive biz by rentiers |
| 13:23 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: yeah. I mean, it's kind of denial on their part. They're not getting the money either way. I wonder if rents will be coming down or if there will be Chinese style ghost cities. |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: if 2008 'demo' is anyffin to go by -- ghost cities |
| 13:26 |
asciilifeform |
lizards wanted to write off some bezzle, but decided that having proper ww3 -- a bit too expensive. so went with 'plague'. |
| 13:27 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: wasn't enough for every millenial to be 50k in debt, every restaurant, clothing store now too. |
| 13:28 |
asciilifeform |
that's what folx get when they forget how to lynch. |
| 13:29 |
asciilifeform |
bezos et al cackle all the way to the bank, as the folx who formerly worked in e.g. restaurant line up 1,000 to 1 opening to pack crates at lulazon etc |
| 13:30 |
thimbronion |
There is a slight wrench in the gears now due to the supply of immigrants being cut off. |
| 13:31 |
asciilifeform |
'reverse army of capital', i.e. folx willing to 'work for food', dun have to be mexicans. worx just as well with natives, sacked but still owing 100% rent |
| 13:31 |
asciilifeform |
*reserve army |
| 13:32 |
asciilifeform |
the question of who the fuck will be buying the crates, if ~errybody worx as penny/hour packer of same, evidently not interesting to the bezoses. |
| 13:32 |
thimbronion |
I guess now we find out if white people actually willing to pick strawberries. |
| 13:33 |
asciilifeform |
equally interesting q is who will buy the strawberries. |
| 13:34 |
asciilifeform |
buffet & mp can only personally eat so-many |
| 13:34 |
thimbronion |
Hm yeah. I guess it's time to start destroying the excess food supply! |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
iirc is what usg did last go around, under reign of fdr |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
(and, observe, no one lynched even then) |
| 13:35 |
thimbronion |
Rivers of milk! |
| 13:43 |
* |
asciilifeform always found it lulzy that the folx who had literal 'rivers of milk' in '30s have the chutzpah to whine about 'holodomor' |
| 13:45 |
thimbronion |
Is it really a famine if there's no cannibalism? |
| 13:45 |
asciilifeform |
'properly organized' famines have ~0 cannibalisms (as in e.g. auschwitz, or 1930s usa) |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
instead, orderly 'line up for the gas here' |
| 13:49 |
thimbronion |
What was the gassing mechanism in the 30's usa? |
| 13:49 |
asciilifeform |
~same as now |
| 13:50 |
asciilifeform |
'oh so sorry if you have 0 income, rent is still due on 1st of month' |
| 13:50 |
asciilifeform |
'we'll pay farmers to grow and then burn crop so prices stay as before' |
| 13:51 |
asciilifeform |
'want to eat in next month? we'll buy yer farm for a penny on the dollar' etc |
| 13:52 |
asciilifeform |
( see also re the algo. it's always more or less same. ) |
| 13:52 |
snsabot |
(asciilifeform) 2020-04-04 asciilifeform: it was the 'switch' in a traditional 2-step bait&switch 'industry will be privatized, but erryone gets shares of stock' 'oops, bread now costs 100x, you can decide whether to sell yer shares or quit eating' |
| 13:54 |
thimbronion |
I don't know I'm not definding fdr or anything but I don't see the mass death due to starvation there. Maybe mortality increase due to susceptibility to disease. |
| 13:54 |
thimbronion |
suicides, etc. |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
under fdr, objective wasn't specifically to reduce biomass, but to centralize ownership and 'financialize' |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
afaik no one even bothered to count the corpses, then |
| 13:57 |
thimbronion |
Amazing to consider even after all the starvation in Ukr and likely elsewhere, still plenty of bodies left to stop Nazi bullets. |
| 13:58 |
asciilifeform |
the designated starved ukrs fought for axis, for most part |
| 13:58 |
asciilifeform |
so arguably 'saved on bullets' |
| 13:58 |
thimbronion |
Makes sense. |
| 14:00 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: Btw just realized one aspect of the losslessness of translation between Latin and Russian - both lack articles. Must be nice. |
| 14:01 |
asciilifeform |
translates pretty cleanly. same cases etc |
| 14:10 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. 'homo homini lupus est' --> 'человек человеку волк' |
| 14:14 |
thimbronion |
Cool looks like the dative is even phonetically similar. Unless homini isn't actually dative - sorry don't know latin. |
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