| 00:32 |
trinque |
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-10#1001987 << he must be waiting on confirmation from me that I'm not planning on fucking his wife too, given that I've said nothing on the subject, and therefore. |
| 00:32 |
ossabot |
(asciilifeform) 2019-11-10 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i'm still waiting for clarification from trinque re whether he will permit asciilifeform to use his deedbot wallet service. ( if not, payment will have to be via conventional 'permissionless' btc. ) |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
ohai trinque . i ought ask explicitly ( given as even last wk, trinque lemme use his service as courtesy, i.e. i already was not in his l1 ) |
| 00:46 |
trinque |
I am not going to suddenly trap *anyone's* funds. You have my vow on that, if it were not apparent already. |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
q wasnt re trap, but re standard use. can use service? and at the usual cost? |
| 00:47 |
trinque |
sure, use. |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
ty trinque . i value the service, it worx a+++. |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: unrelatedly, i'm quite interested to read your buildroot materials, when you publish; spent large % of summer fighting w/ br ( during the doomed 'm' effort, it was a custom br ratsnest. ) |
| 00:56 |
asciilifeform |
sadly mine was ~100% dead end ( w/ the possib. exception that did learn how to force linux into nonstandard iron, in general case . ) |
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~ 28 minutes ~ |
| 01:24 |
trinque |
sure, isn't using buildroot though, just busybox. |
| 01:24 |
trinque |
are you familiar with overlayfs in linux? |
| 01:31 |
* |
asciilifeform only ever used br w/ busybox and vice-versa, but indeed they're separate |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i read the docs for it but not had occasion to use overlayfs, dun think |
| 01:32 |
asciilifeform |
at least not explicitly ( can't recall whether it is used internally in e.g. br ) |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 01:53 |
trinque |
ever used e.g. docker? it's a vast pile of shit, but the actual reason it's useful isn't the faux-virtualization. |
| 01:54 |
trinque |
I'm looking at building a system where the built items exist as layers in a multi-layered overlayfs |
| 01:54 |
trinque |
and that these are called in when needed for a task, e.g. database server, wp, whatever. |
| 01:55 |
trinque |
ideally, later, from connected gossipnodes. i.e. "hey you fucks, I have an mp3. what do you have for layers that can read this?" |
| 01:56 |
trinque |
your wot responds back that it has all these layers built which can handle, with various degrees of trust for each signed layer. |
| 01:58 |
trinque |
obviously this doesn't replace building from v-tree source. it's a proposal for where built artifacts end up, and how they are deployed to machines en masse |
| 01:58 |
trinque |
I'm quite tired of having standing up new outposts take longer than a few seconds, personally. |
| 01:59 |
trinque |
moreover, infectious linux plus this becomes very interesting very quickly |
| 01:59 |
asciilifeform |
i recall this , was discussed briefly . imho it is The Right Thing . |
| 02:00 |
asciilifeform |
( rather like a 'field unification' for 'v' et al ) |
| 02:01 |
trinque |
yep, so the idea is that the first layer contains naught more than busybox, compiler, v. |
| 02:01 |
trinque |
the layerbuilding-layer |
| 02:03 |
trinque |
obviously the intent is to crack the "distro" monstrosity into a WoT-tronic graph of folks you know building and publishing these layers, instead of eating "packages" from whichever bureaucracy. |
| 02:04 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: when i was doing the mips thing, discovered by chance that a 'userland' port of kernel exists. may be useful for quick bringup & build on existing systems. |
| 02:04 |
trinque |
in fact, I am already experimenting with usermode linux |
| 02:04 |
asciilifeform |
aa neat |
| 02:05 |
trinque |
the busybox core fits as in-built initramfs |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i suspect you're year+ ahead of me on this item already. |
| 02:05 |
trinque |
so, the thing should in principle be able to start as a usermode proggie, and then forcibly take over whatever machine on which it was started |
| 02:06 |
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asciilifeform can picture |
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~ 5 hours 35 minutes ~ |
| 07:41 |
diana_coman |
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-11#1000044 - this sounds very useful to me. |
| 07:41 |
ossabot |
Logged on 2019-11-11 21:59:53 trinque: I'm looking at building a system where the built items exist as layers in a multi-layered overlayfs |