#trilema | 2019-12-09

the collation of the "what is engineering" discussion with ye olde observation and all the many parts in their entrain colliding with the faux ethics of the preva

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iling postmodernist religion

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("scientism", or whatever you'd call the neoreformated creeds of the horde idiotic enough to think itself free from belief)

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does actually expose pretty much the entire buboe. except it's not a pretty sight, for one thing, and moreover "civilised" life as narrated by the pantsuit's simply not compatible with the observation.

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nevertheless, i suspect a superior systematic set of answers to the main questions is on its way from there.

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BingoBoingo

!!up dorion_road

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dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.

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ty BingoBoingo

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954452 << you make good points; I'll have to sit with the thread as well. I'm here to weigh the options and understand what makes sense.

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Logged on 2019-12-07 05:07:30 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-06#1954435 <-- I'm not convinced it will, tbh. atm buying an existing corebootable board is a much cheaper alternative (for gpg at least) than supporting a new one, on account of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954371 ; might work on the long term when the supplies for e.g. x60 will be exhausted, but even then, trying to make sense of closed t

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954457 << I'm looking forward to the uefi disentanglement!

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Logged on 2019-12-07 05:08:56 spyked: anyway, I'ma sit on this thread for a while, will focus on getting uefi disentangled for now

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954458 << I'd tend to agree with the suspicion. First I think it'd be helpful to know the cost of acquiring TMSR bootbable hardware. Defining was TMSR bootbale hardware means and listing the 'known good' board that are already supported by coreboot or similar would be a good start.

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Logged on 2019-12-07 10:36:59 BingoBoingo: spyked: My suspicion is that the cost of acquiring a TMSRbootable board is almost aways going to beat supporting new hardware, unless the new hardware is *very* interesting.

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s/was TMSR/what TMSR/

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The baseline consideration is, what is the ev of having the already known TMSR bootable bios configs under V ?

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BingoBoingo

!!up dorion_road

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dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.

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!!v EFA5B4EC77E9EA76D606034E512BF9ACBF5847CE756A6297D71C3B932A58B2C4

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diana_coman rated dorion_road 1 << talking while travelling.

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dorion_road: ^ so you can !!up yourself at least while the old voice model is still around.

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ty diana_coman

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bvt I left a comment that's in your mod queue http://bvt-trace.net/2019/12/keccak-hashing-for-kernel-rng/comment-page-1/#comment-100

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spyked I left a comment that's in your mod queue http://thetarpit.org/2019/assorted-notes-on-bootstrapping-cuntoo#comment-188

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trinque you've been highlighted on a couple different tmsr os threads: bvt is curious about what you have to say on the extent to which the bootstrapping/package management/development tools are a source of bloat in Cuntoo.

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and spyked on the reasoning for the location of the kernel installation step in the cuntoo bootstrapping script.

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I'd like to know your thoughts as well. Not just about those, but, e.g. also Gales Linux now that it has been released. Gales bootstraps with busybox, which I know you've been working with.

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Generally, my question about your availability to contribute to sorting out some of these early decisions remains of interest.

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Logged on 2019-11-26 15:26:08 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 << Thank you for the luck wishes. What pace of engagement do you see yourself able to maintain over say, a 30-60 day stretch ?

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http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953688 << hey ave1, how goes ? have you been following along the tmsr os thread ? I've assumed you want to continue with your gcc work and own it, is that still the case ?

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ericbot

Logged on 2019-11-27 18:40:49 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-17#1951499 << hey ave1, how goes ? has there been a delivery date set on this ?

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Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)

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let's shorten that feedback loop, eh ?

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954635 << wtf does "tmsr" mean if they're not in v, anyways ?

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Logged on 2019-12-09 11:56:03 dorion_road: The baseline consideration is, what is the ev of having the already known TMSR bootable bios configs under V ?

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meanwhile from trilema arguably-useful spam, http://rdk.regionsv.ru/

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!!v EE90A999548111B06519A9A8AD79984DB0800E10D02C725BD51108CF7BF05ADB

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jurov paid asciilifeform 1

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asciilifeform: sent you 1btc by mistake instead of invoice #1 pls return

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mp_en_viaje right, if tmsr, then bios to be ruled by V, in line with portgage and all the rest. can still run tmsr os on hardware that's not tmsr bootable with bios build and install optional.

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Logged on 2019-11-29 13:08:36 mircea_popescu: this 2 really goes all the way back to the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important than any other turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.

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whoa, this rake actually got stepped on meanwhile ?!

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!!v E00B747223656E9160D26E9438DFA601519ADF0334AD00C77D062832A20B9349

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jurov paid asciilifeform invoice 1

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dorion_road, seems to me you're mixing things. yes, you can run a mercedes you bought on mud roads in your native tardikistan. no, it can't be a mercedes if it comes without a manual, or without standard parts, or if it violates any other fundamental assumptions implicit in the name.

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!!v 46983BD40E8A16C48CB82008135469486CA1BF9C4B88436C6D944DAE977957FC

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jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 17

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mp_en_viaje I was/am thinking of the bios software as one of the standard parts. if the operator doesn't want to use it, doesn't have to. for anyone that does, it's there to be used.

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ave1 the latest on the gcc discussion is 4.4.7, 4.7.4 and 4.9.4 are up for consideration.

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this is pretty much universally the case, yeah.

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mp_en_viaje thanks for helping me clarify.

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bvt

hello, i'll be traveling 14-20 dec and 5-10 jan; will be in low availability mode

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bvt

dorion_road: comment published and answered; i can do a test run of gales after returning (20 dec)

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happy holidays, or how the ro for it goes, sarbautori fericite.

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#fieca

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bvt

ty

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/12/one-week-after-grave-vulnerability-revealed-wireguard-moving-into-linux-kernel-for-5-6/ << Qntra -- One Week After Grave Vulnerability Revealed, WireGuard Moving Into Linux Kernel For 5.6

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bvt thanks, sounds good!

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I'll be traveling dec 25-jan 6 with potentially good internet, but unknown at present; I'm going on a cruise. january 6th I'll be back in Panama.

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meanwhile in other 60s lulz (since jfw 's memoirs prompted my sending intel on a digging expedition through the shockingly irrelevant microfractures of the us communist party mega-soviet outreach failure) : https://www.markrudd.com/

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I'll publish my december tmsr os plan by this thursday.

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derpy dood who "went underground" for nothing in particular, got bored of it half decade in for you know, not making enough money, came back out and apologized, spent the next four decades trying to milk "it"

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the "it" being the ~same it as for say the sad kids, self-hallucinated relevancy based on personal illiteracy, incuriosity &c americanskisms.

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dorion_road, what, with old people ?!

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mp_en_viaje myeah, it's a family reunion. I agreed to go back in august.

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well... best of luck.

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I can't say I'm very enthused, but looking to see the upside and get through it as productive as I can be. Getting back to Panama will be a relief for sure.

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lol. so come back with a girlfriend over fifty, what can it hurt.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954679 - ahaha, complete with faq of multiple-lulz.

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Logged on 2019-12-09 17:42:34 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other 60s lulz (since jfw 's memoirs prompted my sending intel on a digging expedition through the shockingly irrelevant microfractures of the us communist party mega-soviet outreach failure) : https://www.markrudd.com/

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lol, we'll see.

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diana_coman, he's not entirely wrong, either. his diagnosis is correct in at least that juncture : that radical pantsuits never got anywhere, 1960 - 2020, through the exact same mechanism : just as soon as they had two sticks to rub together, they'd get baited into confrontation with the establishment, cuz they're such great heroes & ilya muromets' their name.

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Logged on 2016-12-07 19:15:10 mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ? then you go kill koschei. no ? then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.

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then it turned out the fantasyland ontologic approach to existence dun work irl, technology takes over and soon enough they had no name at all, let alone the RIGHT name.

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I had more fun with the "how to make a movement" , "going under cover" and all the "we are very serious(ly playing) here"

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and then, to add insult to injury, all sort of nobodies on a stick (trump and obama have this exact whisk in common, that as much as trump was an outsider laughingstock for the business community, obama was an outsider laughingstock for the counterculti/commies -- they're literally the same object in a structuralist perspective) ended up arbitrarily named in a purely nominative ex

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Logged on 2017-08-11 14:37:00 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.

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ercise by the very koschei itself.

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diana_coman, right ? boys who never ~could~ have >50yo girlfriends.

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ahahah, maybe he'll just be seasick and ...very productive at it!

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more stark statement of youthful impotence as imanent ireelevancy besides this simple "oh, an older woman couldn't possibly ever kneel for you" i can't really imagine.

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"why, you think dogfood tastes differrntly chewed with dentures ?!" "oh my!" "she still lives on this fucking planet, luke" "inconceiblablu!!!"

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o btw BingoBoingo cunt-intel-pros santa also has a tidbit for you. did you know that in your native chicago a "larouche movement" chick made democratic ticket secretary of state (along with some others), and then adlai wouldn't run on the ticket with the nuts so he invented "solidarity party" which of course cost him the election -- but here's the morcel : until ~the day after the election~ the idiot press reported the defeated democratic

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darlings ~were running unopposed~.

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mp_en_viaje: well, with age and lock-up knees, it might indeed be quite impossible she kneels for you, there is also that.

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ie, "mainstream media" ineptitude wasn't invented this generation of tards. or the previous one. lazy moomoos ran that sideshow for at least forty years.

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diana_coman, and she's gonna accept that, too, cuz that's how people are built from nature : sensible. women especially.

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not that i've seen, not on this planet, but...

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