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00:16 trinque http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950146 << works for me
00:16 lobbesbot trinque: Sent 4 days, 8 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
00:16 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-07 11:59:49 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
00:17 trinque http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
00:17 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 03:01:05 spyked: 1947777][did agree] to work on that tho, so would also like to hear from trinque re this
00:18 trinque I'm thinking you and he could turn this into a proper consulting gig if they like what you produce, and I'm happy to manage / advise such an endeavor.
00:18 BingoBoingo trinque: Already running as S#1074 on Auctionbot with the other servers. I don't know why this gorgeous thing hasn't gotten any bids yet http://bingology.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/trinquebeast.jpg Copper Heatsinks!
00:19 trinque http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950447 << see above. I'd like to know what folks want from the item before a single thing is done.
00:19 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-10 15:26:33 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950366 << fwiw I asked my q's to trinque in his channel.
00:19 ericbot Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
00:19 trinque diana_coman: this could mean getting a list of packages you need running on it, if you're willing.
00:20 trinque http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950494 << this one's an experiment, not ready for public use, but feel free to discuss with me in #trinque
00:20 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-11 05:55:28 spyked: hey trinque. reading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950058 followed by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-10#1000026 leaves me a tad confused. is it that you want to pull out portage out of the existing bootstrapper recipe, or the other way around, or what's the general idea?
00:24 trinque the idea actually comes from earlier threads on infectious linux, and also on what a sane world would have instead of a web browser
00:25 trinque I am failing to find the appropriate links as yet.
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03:37 auctionbot Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 45mn from asciilifeform outbidding diana_coman. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (6 hours 6 mins)
03:39 auctionbot Sell order # 1068: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 100 from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 UTC (84 hours 0 mins)
03:40 auctionbot Sell order # 1074: 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:40:28.384179 UTC (84 hours 0 mins)
03:46 auctionbot Sell order # 1069: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. Heard: 1mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 UTC (83 hours 53 mins)
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04:09 lobbes http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950544 << this sounds good to me
04:09 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-11 20:22:50 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
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05:57 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/last-week-and-some-aspects-of-uruguay-in-review/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Last Week And Some Aspects Of Uruguay In Review
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06:49 auctionbot Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 55mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (2 hours 54 mins)
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07:45 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordinated by a single ...
07:45 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-11 20:25:08 trinque: diana_coman: this could mean getting a list of packages you need running on it, if you're willing.
07:45 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 jfw: Gales Linux is a new distribution, not using Portage or other sort of auto-download and dependency resolution; it's got a set of package build scripts I've developed over time based on my own needs
07:45 diana_coman ... person (trinque?)
07:48 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-03#1000013 - any eta on this?
07:48 ossabot (trinque) 2019-11-03 trinque: need to do a bit of decrufting before I post these, going to wrap it up tomorrow.
07:48 diana_coman I still don't really have any clear idea what trinque has done or wants to do.
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09:43 auctionbot Sell order # 1063 has ENDED: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 55mn ecu. Attn: mp_en_viaje
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10:45 mp_en_viaje that's a good price for a coupla boxes huh.
10:45 mp_en_viaje mazel tov
10:46 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only take-away is that trinque does not want to own the tmsr os. whether this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just that hard to break, or for whatever reason. i can't quite discern, seeing how he talks little and mostly besides the point.
10:46 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
10:47 mp_en_viaje in any case, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950560 << no, nothing could be further from good. you can't go about "doing the best you can" "by yourself" on a nonsense ill defined task like that. what are you trying to turn into, THEM ?
10:47 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-12 00:14:39 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950544 << this sounds good to me
10:47 mp_en_viaje let it be until such a time we can find someone qualified to own it. same place trb is waiting, and so on.
10:51 diana_coman fwiw my take so far is that trinque wants to provide consultancy at most.
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10:53 mp_en_viaje whatever that may mean.
10:55 mp_en_viaje anyway, moving on : ave1 what's your lamp shenanigans consist of specifically ? anything substantial enough so that you can retroactively cure your failure to document it such that it might persuasively argue for your qualification to lead this effort ?
10:56 mp_en_viaje pretty threadbare sack at that, huh.
10:58 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, tell me about this gales thing ?
11:02 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: from what I talked to jfw so far (he still has to write it up but there's a long list there of write-ups for him to do!), he made his own distribution with his own scripts for package building; he has it in production in that he uses it for his clients afaik but it doesn't seem to scale well the way it is currently
11:03 mp_en_viaje what is "his clients" ?
11:03 diana_coman because any new package one wants would require someone to write the script for it
11:03 diana_coman and there's no X stack either
11:03 mp_en_viaje !!up jfw
11:03 deedbot jfw voiced for 30 minutes.
11:03 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: he just went to sleep, lol
11:03 mp_en_viaje oh.
11:03 mp_en_viaje aite, send him over when he wakes, we continue this convo.
11:03 diana_coman yes
11:04 mp_en_viaje i can't imagine how tmsr-os would work such that a package one wants to import wouldn't require some diddling
11:05 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: that's the thing, as I told him after my initial talk on this, the trouble is that it seems to be more of a homework exercise than a system to have.
11:05 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 diana_coman: but at any rate, what's that Gales Linux exactly and how/in what way different from Cuntoo? where/what are your problems there?
11:05 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 diana_coman: but hm, that does sound overall more like your own practice room to know-more-linux than anything else
11:05 diana_coman some diddling is one thing
11:05 diana_coman having to write a full script is another
11:06 diana_coman I'd still have a look at it in more detail.
11:09 mp_en_viaje nfi what that means. echo "echo 'fuck you, world.'" > script.sh produces a script
11:09 mp_en_viaje not a very good one, for instance can't easily turn fuck you, world. into fuck you, world! -- but still, it's a FULL script
11:10 diana_coman heh, I doubt it's *that little*; anyways, I'd certainly rather see it in detail by now, yes.
11:11 mp_en_viaje the problem here is that EVERYTHING -- meaning, ~~~EEEEEEVERYTHING~~~ is rather a "homework" exercise than any kinda serious effort.
11:11 mp_en_viaje because for their sins computers were born after the capacity for serious activity died in the esltard. so it's all comicon all over, "this is some doodle i made please don't hate me" psychoweird.
11:12 diana_coman myeah.
11:12 mp_en_viaje crystal space was made in this manner. internet explorer (all versions) was made in this manner. the original firefox was made in this manner, and then retired in this manner. and everything .
11:13 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: re "his clients", they are meant to write up and publish by this Sunday their existing business plan and whatever other related documents they have.
11:13 mp_en_viaje but anyway, no point in pre-discussing his. question stands as http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950585 for a reason and we see later.
11:13 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-12 07:08:35 mp_en_viaje: what is "his clients" ?
11:15 diana_coman basically they still need some time to publish now what they didn't all this time and only then we can discuss in more detail really
11:15 diana_coman this is why I didn't mention it earlier really; because there are still some things to sort out first.
11:17 diana_coman mp_en_viaje: re moving cs I had a look in more detail at the situation there: there are 3k lines of autoconf script to start with; this looks for all sorts and takes care of various cases including differences (re where is what) between linux distros
11:17 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:47:54 mircea_popescu: so i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
11:18 mp_en_viaje heck, if transition could be automated...
11:18 diana_coman and moreover, it checks to see which cs deps are available because part of issue with cs is that it doesn't even have a clear list of deps: it depends what plugins and what they want
11:18 mp_en_viaje oh nevermind, we switched to cs.
11:18 mp_en_viaje listen, most of that is ditch-able, because we have little intention to support open-ended "plugin" style architectures.
11:19 mp_en_viaje this was a horrifyingly bad idea of the "oject oriented" crowd, back in the late 90s.
11:19 diana_coman yes but where the fuck does one start from to figure out which parts are actually needed and how they interact?
11:19 diana_coman from cs code itself now or what?
11:19 mp_en_viaje myeah.
11:20 mp_en_viaje i don't imagine we'll be able to ditch autoconf in principle, until many years later, many years AFTER tmsr-os is a thing
11:20 diana_coman that sounds most likely, yes.
11:22 diana_coman the additional thing there being also that some of the deps are really system dependent at least so far so they'd need to be extracted (if possible!) as static libs themselves and bundled up and by the end of it I'll probably end up with tmsr-os I suppose.
11:28 mp_en_viaje i really don't currently see the payoff for putting work into making it static
11:29 diana_coman me neither tbh; so I'll move on then.
11:29 mp_en_viaje myeah.
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11:48 mircea_popescu * pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu :is now your hidden host (set by services.) << fucken nonsense, i never noticed before tey fucked my name.
11:50 mircea_popescu !!invoice jfw 0.055 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950571
11:50 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-12 05:49:34 auctionbot: Sell order # 1063 has ENDED: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 55mn ecu. Attn: mp_en_viaje
11:50 deedbot Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CWyk
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12:28 mircea_popescu !!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XoyQ
12:28 mircea_popescu hanbot, ^
12:28 deedbot accepted: 1
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13:24 trinque mk, "manage lobbes and spyked to make s.mg an OS" except don't do that at all, and also manalone bois and etc.
13:26 mircea_popescu where's the "don't do all that" ?
13:31 hanbot mircea_popescu huzzah, ty!
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13:51 mircea_popescu http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950636 << none of this is actually accurate. for one thing, it wasn't "manage lobbes and spyked to make s.mg an os". it was, "hey, you did some work towards something that's actually needed, namely ~a republican~ os, do you intend to continue or move on ?"
13:51 mircea_popescu as an aside, i very much dislike the ambiguous relationship to the republic, along the lines of "check out my son, he got 1st prize in drag racing" / "have you heard what your son's done, he got himself expelled!!!" traditional intramarital passive-agressive idiocy.
13:51 mircea_popescu what, it's only the republic when it pays, otherwise it's "mp's folly" or somesuch ? a lot less of this in the
13:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-12 09:30:33 trinque: mk, "manage lobbes and spyked to make s.mg an OS" except don't do that at all, and also manalone bois and etc.
13:51 mircea_popescu sense of exactly none at all will work splendidly well, and alternatives ain't available.
13:51 mircea_popescu and as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.
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13:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
13:51 mircea_popescu half-ass commitments, plausibly-deniable commitments & the whole charade of alfisms are no longer something i will accept -- for the sore experience of how poorly it works when i do accept them.
13:51 mircea_popescu so try and get off your nonsense horse for the like third time this year, learn how to meaningfully communicate AND DO IT, we might have something here. but in any case the something we will have will NOT be linear extension of the alf shit. i ain't ever again doing anything like that.
13:51 mircea_popescu so no, i won't sign off on these (or any other) guys' waste of time over random nonsense. because the thing that comes immediately after a putative "yes mp, ima do that then" is "make a plan, i want to read this thing", not "you lot, go do what he says". hence http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950068
13:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 23:47:13 mircea_popescu: suppose you talk to both fellas here about the thing, i wanna follow along
13:51 mircea_popescu which, incidentally, you agreed with then --
13:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 23:48:38 trinque: totally fine by me
13:51 mircea_popescu and promptly shat on your agreement immediately thereafter.
13:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-11 20:26:06 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950494 << this one's an experiment, not ready for public use, but feel free to discuss with me in #trinque
13:54 mircea_popescu da fuck's next, mod6 's patented "let's pass a gpg'd tarball back and forth" ?
13:54 mircea_popescu the point of the republic is for you to look at how stupid you are AND STOP BEING IT.
13:55 mircea_popescu the republic can't be used in ANY OTHER WAY. eminently, it CAN NOT be used as ANY KIND of "how to stay stupid" guide. nor will this fundamental inadherence ever be capable of being turned around, "oh, mp is a meaniehead, stupidity is where it's at". nor ANYTHING other than the intended fucking purpose.
14:03 diana_coman in other lolz, I contacted yet another local dc and the guy went to read my blog so I pointed him to the rundown on it; rather curious now what'll he do, lolz.
14:07 mircea_popescu should be interesting
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19:37 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/11/why-everyone-hates-fetlife/ << Bimbo Club -- Why everyone hates fetlife
19:51 jfw Hello mircea_popescu, I'm here from http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950592
19:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-12 07:09:11 mp_en_viaje: aite, send him over when he wakes, we continue this convo.
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20:48 mircea_popescu jfw, hey
20:50 jfw howdy
20:51 mircea_popescu so, what's this gales thing ?
20:51 jfw It's a Linux distro I put together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
20:52 mircea_popescu and so what's this customers ?
20:54 jfw dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
20:54 mircea_popescu so it's basically a training tool, as far as that goes, a didactic example
20:54 dorion mircea_popescu I'm present as well, able to fill in where needed.
20:54 mircea_popescu hey there.
20:55 jfw I've found it quite usable for things like trb node, airgapped gpg machine, basic VPS (though no LAMP stack presently)
20:55 mircea_popescu so how do you go about driver support ?
20:55 jfw so, was not originally intended as training tool I think is what I'm saying.
20:56 jfw I've manually done a linux kconfig, as one might on gentoo w/o genkernel
20:56 jfw that kinda driver?
20:56 mircea_popescu traditionally the problem with private distros is that one day someone tries to install int on some new hardware mix-and-match and it dun go
20:57 jfw indeed, we've been restrictive about hardware so far
20:57 mircea_popescu this is what i'm asking, what's the extension process like
20:58 jfw tweaking the 'menuconfig' is what that would look like as far as kernel components
20:58 mircea_popescu so you basically just import w/e drivers redhat or w/e is using ?
20:59 jfw Using stock kernel.org kernel, but sure there's RedHat code in there
20:59 mircea_popescu so as a purely theoretical exericse, what'd gaining x support entail iyo ?
21:01 dorion mircea_popescu we've been using kernel 4.9.95, which is what bvt genesis'd.
21:01 jfw I've built a basic X stack (no 3d accel) on dynamic-linked musl, the biggest uncertainty to me there is whether it'll work static since it's module-oriented
21:01 mircea_popescu dorion, for that reason, or coincidentally ?
21:01 mircea_popescu jfw, i am talking about 3d acceleration specifically.
21:01 dorion coincidentally
21:01 mircea_popescu dorion, interesting how these coincidences work out!
21:01 jfw With proprietary drivers like nvidia?
21:02 mircea_popescu exactly.
21:02 jfw I expect that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is a glibc-based .so
21:03 mircea_popescu but the q is, how would it go
21:03 jfw not sure I follow
21:04 mircea_popescu do i have to throw out gales if i decide to use graphics as a given necessity or don't i
21:04 jfw far as I know you would
21:04 mircea_popescu let me make a comparison here to illuminate.
21:05 mircea_popescu so, someone says, "i want companionship in my life". this is the general problem.
21:05 mircea_popescu man 1 comes and says, "hi, i have a solution to this. i call it 'dog'. it's very companionable."
21:05 mircea_popescu "well... but is it loyal ?" quite very loyal. "how about having children ? i think i want chilndren too".
21:06 mircea_popescu you can't have children with a dog, it is necessarily out of the question.
21:06 mircea_popescu man 2 comes and says "hullo... i have anothe rsolution. i call it 'a virgin'. she's a bitch to get along with, but..."
21:06 mircea_popescu "well... is it loyal ?" not really. "how about having children ?" actually, i think she might be already pregnant.
21:07 jfw lol!
21:07 mircea_popescu in case 1, you know for a fact it won't be possible to have gfx with your thing, it has to be thrown out / redone / the thing that can do gfx can't carry the same name as your thing meaningfully.
21:07 mircea_popescu in case 2, you don't know such for a fact.
21:07 mircea_popescu now, which is it. 1 or 2 ?
21:09 jfw I would think it's 1, as perhaps the driver could be made to work with massive compatibility layers but then the distro wouldn't look much like it does now.
21:10 mircea_popescu so this'd basically be a server thing, by its nature, rather than a general purpose os
21:10 mircea_popescu isn't it awkward to not have lamp ready in that context ?
21:11 jfw Yes, well server or other text-only usage. It is awkward.
21:11 mircea_popescu so are you working on getting lamp for it ?
21:12 jfw Not as yet; first priority was to make it public, see if there was any interest
21:13 mircea_popescu is it public now ?
21:13 jfw no
21:13 mircea_popescu how long has it been a thing at all ?
21:14 jfw since 2017
21:14 mircea_popescu so when you say customers or w/e, is this more of a manner of speaking ?
21:15 jfw they've paid, and I've delivered code. It's not public in the sense of not published on web
21:16 mircea_popescu but is this a registered corp ? or some kind of informal arrangement among friends ?
21:16 jfw more informal
21:17 mircea_popescu and so the customers who've paid and you've delivered code to, were they basically doing what's caled it consulting in the us, ie, outsourced desk jockey to skimp on the pension & benefits plan ? do they think they own the code you've delivered, for instance ?
21:18 jfw as I understand V, he who operates the computer owns the code
21:18 mircea_popescu what, you delviered to said customers a bundle of v-patches /
21:18 mircea_popescu ?
21:19 jfw source tarballs, though there's a TRB too.
21:19 mircea_popescu so then what's v to do with anything
21:19 mircea_popescu i asked you if ~they think~ they own the code, not if god does.
21:20 jfw I see. They don't know enough about the code to meaningfully own it, and afaik they know this.
21:21 mircea_popescu it's not an idle question on my part. there's actually reflected in the very history of the republic as logged, the case of some dude showing up years later to push ridoinculous claims. look for grubbles sometime.
21:21 mircea_popescu so you know, come 2025, is there some durbles gonna show up "oh, gales was really developed by outside help for my corp!!!"
21:22 jfw dorion, do you recall if this is possible based on what we wrote in the consulting agreement?
21:23 dorion mircea_popescu at this point, we have high trust with those it's been shared with. we're young hands in part because we're unclear about to properly approach such problems.
21:23 jfw people can claim things, but the facts as I understand them are that I developed the system on my own, and they did not purchase any ownership in it.
21:24 mircea_popescu dorion, yes, well, i'm not young hands ; and i'll tell you what anyone in a similar position will tell you : code made to oder and not published is generally suspect of being, at least in the view of some party somewhere, their property.
21:24 mircea_popescu not that this generally does anything. but it's also never a bad idea to be plain with people.
21:24 mircea_popescu meanwhile : you ever looked at the cuntoo thing ?
21:25 jfw ty mircea_popescu, underscores the importance of getting it published.
21:25 jfw I looked over trinque's blog posts about it but have not looked inside.
21:25 mircea_popescu how come ?
21:26 jfw well, I already had my thing working and thought myself to have other priorities
21:27 jfw which was all upside-down because showing up here should have been first.
21:27 mircea_popescu counting ave1 s putative item, this promises to be three not-quite-usable, not-so-published identical reworks of the same damned thing.
21:27 mircea_popescu this strikes no one else as eminently wasteful ?
21:27 jfw it strikes me as wasteful.
21:28 dorion mircea_popescu point taken, thank you. jfw reviewing the contract, Gales Linux is described as your original software, but I don't know the legal standing of that claim.
21:28 mircea_popescu if there's one million engineer bois out there, and if the destiny of an engineer boi is to make an os, worth 100k man-hours, and if they never talk to each other, the result will be 7-800k empty boxes containing no os, but three to four figure wasted hours.
21:28 diana_coman mircea_popescu: myeah; the reason for my earlier focused & coordinated effort wish.
21:28 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
21:28 mircea_popescu it's literally a recipe for nothingness.
21:29 mircea_popescu kinda why i don't give the first flying fuck how many retard bois "get upset" or whatever, the demons/voices/their mom tells them to choke on chodes.
21:29 mircea_popescu if 1% of 1% of the million can be convinced to be fucking sane, that's already enough people to finish the damn thing already.
21:30 jfw I don't dispute, and am here to work towards sanity & killing stupidity.
21:31 dorion likewise.
21:31 mircea_popescu so what is your commitment towards this thing ? kinda like a fun weekend project, or what is it ?
21:33 jfw I've committed fully to diana_coman's mentorship, a big part of which is because I want to be useful in the republic generally.
21:33 mircea_popescu how long have you two known each other ? with dorion i mean ?
21:33 jfw since 2014
21:33 dorion january 2014
21:34 mircea_popescu well, so would an arrangement whereby you work with other people to develop a workable tmsr os work for you then ?
21:36 jfw My understanding from earlier cuntoo thread is someone needs to step up to *own* the project; to be clear, I doubt I'd be prepared for such a thing right now, but yes it works for me to work with other people.
21:37 mircea_popescu i'm trying to work something out re both ownership and manpower.
21:37 mircea_popescu i wasn't considering either one of you for the former
21:40 jfw good then. Is there a particular level of time commitment you're looking for on the OS project as far as manpower?
21:40 mircea_popescu i was rather gonna ask what you feel comfortable with on the mid term
21:42 mircea_popescu dorion, is your interest rather in the pm side of things ? or are you tryina learn how to code as well ?
21:43 jfw my schedule seems pretty packed at least through the end of 2019, perhaps at that point I could make something like 20 hours per week, will have to consider
21:43 mircea_popescu well, consider and let me know.
21:43 mircea_popescu did i leave anything out ?
21:45 jfw mircea_popescu: nothing coming to mind.
21:46 dorion mircea_popescu I think my strength at present it more on the pm side and communicating to non-technical people why they should take interest in sane computing. Part of my role has been bring people for jfw to teach. With that being said, I am interested in improving my technical skills.
21:47 mircea_popescu i think either line can be pursued, either we attach you to whoever's in charge as an administrative trainee or else you get piecemeal tasks on the tech side.
21:48 dorion right now I'd take the former because I think I'd be more useful in a shorter period of time.
21:48 mircea_popescu there;s oodlebunches of work in a large project that don't involve scrutinizing arcana
21:49 mircea_popescu aite.
21:49 mircea_popescu lobbes, how long till i get to testrun that delivery!!! i'm leaving for the orient in a few weeks you realise!
21:49 mircea_popescu and after that -- is this something that appeals ?
21:49 dorion mircea_popescu thank you.
21:50 jfw I do think that would play more to dorion's strengths & interests though I've certainly appreciated his efforts in learning tech
21:50 mircea_popescu spyked, what sorta time could you commit on a weekly basis, if this tmsr os megaproject actually gets going ?
21:50 mircea_popescu dorion, my pleasuee
21:50 dorion thanks jfw.
21:50 mircea_popescu jfw, hey, it's a free slavery thing, people can do their own part
21:51 mircea_popescu i'm not about to shoehorn him into the wrong hole if i can help it
21:51 jfw hehe. thanks for the time & feedback
21:51 mircea_popescu and both ave1 an' trinque have qs pending, so that completes tonight's session.
21:52 mircea_popescu diana_coman, if worst comes to worst i guess ima have you manage this for 'em.
21:52 diana_coman noted.
21:53 diana_coman fwiw I wouldn't shoehorn anyone into more tech; maybe the opposite, if anything.
21:53 mircea_popescu only as a temporary measure if anything. help them build a solid basis upon which to properly disdain the engineers.
21:54 diana_coman I can see that angle, yes.
21:54 mircea_popescu otherwise there's significant risk of taking the maniacs at their word.
21:55 diana_coman there is actually even worse, an initial "reverence" , ugh
21:56 diana_coman at times further fed by the sort of despicable "muh secretz" expert, ugh.
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21:56 lobbes mircea_popescu: how would you like to testrun? If you just want to play with the demo connected to my testblog, I can simply bring the bot into #t sometime tonight
21:57 lobbes re tmsr os, so it seems we have manpower waiting to commit; just need someone to commit to ownership
21:58 diana_coman bwahaha that "just need"
22:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu jfw dorion diana_coman lobbes: thank you for the clean, clear, logs
22:02 * diana_coman waves at BingoBoingo
22:03 mircea_popescu bvt, once done fixing the kernel rng, you wana join in this fray by the way ?
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22:04 mircea_popescu lobbes, well, i dunno, how do you intend to deliver ?
22:06 mircea_popescu conceivablt mocky also shows up, we have a great ole party.
22:06 lobbes mircea_popescu: well, I was under the assumption you'd get a box with a trilema copy, and then I'd stand up bot on said box
22:07 lobbes but I'm open to suggestions
22:07 mircea_popescu ah, so is the ball in my court, am i to get the box ?
22:07 diana_coman it's ok, "we have" the manpower waiting to commit there and all it takes is just someone to commit to ownership.
22:08 mircea_popescu diana_coman, hm ?
22:08 diana_coman mircea_popescu: he seems to just need someone to commit to ownership of the thing he did, lolz
22:08 mircea_popescu lol nah
22:08 mircea_popescu it was the orig spec
22:09 diana_coman I'm just applying his previous great-sentence since it's such a catch-all, lolz.
22:10 lobbes mircea_popescu: I'm good to begin installation if you do get box. I'm still looking into getting proper "echo of blog lines" created, but the rest of the bot is ready
22:12 mircea_popescu ok. as a preliminary step, ima publish old logs on trilema, so they're in the db, so they get transferred automatically.
22:12 mircea_popescu now, when should i stop iyo ?
22:12 mircea_popescu what date, i mean
22:14 lobbes well, I mean the 'new' logs wouldn't start until bot is live anyways.
22:14 mircea_popescu you're not importing your current log ?
22:14 mircea_popescu you hafta, i mean... i haven't been keeping local logs since travelling etc.
22:15 lobbes ah gotcha, okay in that case I'll need to create some log converter
22:15 mircea_popescu converting between what and what ?!
22:15 lobbes well, my logs to the mysql db
22:15 mircea_popescu you ~do~ have the log atm on display no ?
22:16 mircea_popescu yes but how is the bot gonna post going forward ? you already have that converter don't you ?!
22:16 lobbes yeah, I have my logger, which goes back to (/me goes to check)
22:16 lobbes it posts the raw IRC lines to the blog article as it sees them, yes
22:17 mircea_popescu i thought we had a discussion re formats at some point, was gonna bold names and whatnot. was it in my dreams ?
22:19 lobbes no that is functional e.g. http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-10/
22:19 mircea_popescu right.
22:19 lobbes what I mean, is that output takes input directly from IRC and then does the formatting. Not like it is reading local logs I have saved
22:20 mircea_popescu but what is the difference lol
22:20 lobbes so yeah, not much work but I just need to tweak the 'conversion'
22:20 mircea_popescu and also... fuck. no timestamp at all, i actually came up with thsi shit ?
22:20 lobbes small difference ! : P
22:20 lobbes yeah, no timestamps in orig spec iirc
22:20 mircea_popescu this is stupid, if mp-wp becomes the de facto platform we'll be stuck with timeless logs. ;/
22:21 lobbes but I don't mind adding if you want. This is your thing afterall
22:21 mircea_popescu [hh:mm] prefix plox ?
22:21 lobbes you got it
22:21 mircea_popescu i don't think seconds are meaningful, irc is not resolvable to a second resolution anyway
22:21 lobbes oh oh , you DID add the hourly delimiters tho
22:22 mircea_popescu those i want kept
22:22 lobbes as seen in http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-07/
22:22 lobbes okay
22:22 mircea_popescu also, <font color=gray>[hh:mm]</font> plox. light colored
22:22 lobbes roger that
22:22 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/11/mexican-military-plane-carrying-evo-morales-diverted-to-paraguay-after-peru-and-others-closed-airspace/ << Qntra -- Mexican Military Plane Carrying Evo Morales Diverted To Paraguay After Peru And Others Closed Airspace
22:23 mircea_popescu exciting
22:23 mircea_popescu this is really shaping up!
22:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, lol, gonna take him an interview ?
22:25 lobbes Alrighty, good meeting. I've my takeaways of things to knock out. Will keep mircea_popescu apprised
22:25 mircea_popescu cool. the only thing is... i'd like a distant server. where do you currently host ?
22:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He already became a Northern Hemisphere problem. Also landed in the other hotter, drier (zebu cattle) guay.
22:26 mircea_popescu ah
22:27 BingoBoingo If he was headed this way, Mexican embassy is close but he probably would have just stopped for asylumn here until at least March when the new government swears in
22:27 mircea_popescu lol
22:28 lobbes mircea_popescu, I'm currently using colocation america but the jury is still out on them imo. They are very responsive and accommodating, but I'm only renting a server from them (have not tried actual colocation)
22:28 mircea_popescu mind renting one for trilema.org ?
22:28 mircea_popescu ima pay of course
22:29 lobbes mircea_popescu: I can't see any reasons why not. Sure thing. I'll reach out to them
22:29 mircea_popescu ty.
22:30 mircea_popescu not like you're not gonna be stuck maintaing this forever anyway, so... migh as well :D
22:32 * BingoBoingo can't recall a single log day with this much signal and so little noise
22:32 mircea_popescu pretty good day!
22:37 mircea_popescu lobbes, so, to be practical here : put the log you have through the works, then we can see ot ?
22:47 lobbes mircea_popescu: ok, is just putting it on my testblog for now acceptable?
22:48 mircea_popescu yuppers
22:49 lobbes kk, that'll be the next item I tackle then
22:49 mircea_popescu works!
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23:44 BingoBoingo ^ This should cover the debts and customer equity. This leaves the auction completion and shareholder equity following from that on the to do list.
23:45 BingoBoingo Unless more claimants come forward by 23:59:59 UTC, November 30th, 2019
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