Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans


← 2014-01-08 | 2014-01-10 → ↓
00:00 truffles prob
00:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00083928 = 20.2686 BTC [-] {2}
00:00 Vexual nah just new money
00:01 truffles ?
00:01 Vexual well hipsters are the kids of hippies that sold their soul and made some money
00:02 truffles i was wondering whatever happened to all the hippies
00:02 Vexual nubbins' showed a gif of the supposedly gone woodie guthrie
00:03 truffles how does one sell a soul though
00:03 Vexual cant be done
00:04 truffles sell own soul?
00:04 Vexual hippies inventened the butterlfy affect as seen in humanity
00:04 Vexual you see butterfly tramp stamps, but a sould cant be sold
00:04 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhIrzbhEGvs
00:04 ozbot Busta Rhymes - Thank You ft. Q-Tip, Kanye West, Lil Wayne - YouTube
00:05 truffles didnt click
00:05 Vexual then you've considered butterflies
00:07 Vexual that unpopular phrase globalisation didnt haven without people moving house
00:07 KRS1 eh
00:09 KRS1 hey this song good yo
00:09 Vexual going back to selling your soul
00:10 Vexual you're the master of what your soul absorbs
00:10 truffles there is a term for this
00:11 Vexual no doubt
00:11 truffles rhetorical?
00:11 Vexual :)}
00:16 truffles where is mr Boingo
00:17 Vexual u feeling chess?
00:18 truffles we have a rematch to do
00:18 truffles i may have to step away based on events in the house ya know
00:19 Vexual i think bongo is alergic to vodka
00:19 truffles lol
00:19 Vexual yah
00:19 truffles its not for everyone
00:23 Vexual we serve it warm
00:23 Vexual but ou know this
00:23 truffles i only like my tea warm eww
00:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
00:27 Vexual gin is served with ice, vodka should be at room tmep
00:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1120 @ 0.00009501 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {3}
00:28 truffles it should be how i want it
00:28 truffles bbl
00:29 Vexual get me some orange sherbert
00:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8840 @ 0.00009501 = 0.8399 BTC [-] {3}
00:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3173 @ 0.00083924 = 2.6629 BTC [-]
00:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25327 @ 0.00083699 = 21.1984 BTC [-] {2}
00:37 BingoBoingo truffles: I am here nao
00:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22998 @ 0.00084193 = 19.3627 BTC [+] {2}
01:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
01:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00047496 = 0.9499 BTC [+] {2}
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21302 @ 0.00083517 = 17.7908 BTC [-] {2}
01:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
01:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.001 = 0.13 BTC [+]
01:29 KRS1 whats up with ghash.io..
01:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00083468 = 23.1624 BTC [-]
01:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0399499 = 0.2397 BTC [+] {2}
01:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5512 @ 0.00083694 = 4.6132 BTC [+]
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02:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13988 @ 0.00083694 = 11.7071 BTC [+]
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02:37 truffles BingoBoingo ping
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02:55 KRS1 pong
02:56 KRS1 so do you all think ghash.io is going to harm the network
02:57 truffles howdy krs1
03:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5301 @ 0.00084124 = 4.4594 BTC [+]
03:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12299 @ 0.00084054 = 10.3378 BTC [-]
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03:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32210 @ 0.00084164 = 27.1092 BTC [+] {2}
03:28 KRS1 how'dy
03:28 KRS1 i've been expecting a drop, not this rise =/
03:29 KRS1 where'd i go wrong in my analysis
03:29 truffles coinye brought it up with the swag
03:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46079996 = 2.304 BTC [+] {4}
03:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46929999 = 4.693 BTC [+] {4}
03:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00084175 = 19.5707 BTC [+] {2}
03:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00084077 = 13.3682 BTC [-]
03:48 mircea_popescu bitbet is hysterical, all these volunteer armchair pilots for it.
03:49 mircea_popescu i am starting to suspect the main reason rich people become assholes is that they eventually get sick of all the poor people who refuse to see the difference.
03:51 mircea_popescu .d
03:51 ozbot 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 767 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.3651% in 4d 8h 17m 7s
03:55 truffles so ure not saying ure not a complete asshole but on the cusp?
03:57 mircea_popescu im a fonz, what are you on about.
03:57 truffles fonz is cool though
03:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.49509632 = 26.7352 BTC [+] {20}
04:01 mircea_popescu i have no idea what it is, outside of a pulp fiction reference.
04:01 Duffer1 happy days
04:01 mircea_popescu so indeed they'd be cool.
04:01 mircea_popescu ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPN_gkj_gk )
04:02 truffles omg he's never seen it
04:02 truffles omg
04:03 truffles well its not that great of a show
04:03 truffles just watch a few eps
04:03 Duffer1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ZGKI8vpcg
04:03 ozbot Fonzie Jumps the Shark on Happy Days (Episode 5.3) 1977 - YouTube
04:03 mircea_popescu ol wait, this is the original "jump the shark" show huh ?
04:03 Duffer1 yep
04:03 mircea_popescu i take it back, i've nothing to do with that toothy derp.
04:04 truffles lol
04:04 mircea_popescu sammy lee you've lied to me!
04:04 truffles thats just 1 clip
04:05 truffles he made the jump, whats the derp about
04:06 truffles so suave
04:08 truffles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWXAJhmvyU
04:08 ozbot Mork Meets The Fonz - YouTube
04:08 truffles robin williams!
04:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6455 @ 0.00084077 = 5.4272 BTC [-]
04:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7745 @ 0.00084054 = 6.51 BTC [-]
04:12 truffles blog topic im interested in, are smart people in general more selfish
04:12 truffles obv u can include stuff about asses and holes
04:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9931 @ 0.00084028 = 8.3448 BTC [-] {2}
04:20 deanclkclk anyone here who's a money manager? I want to ask something about fractional reserve banking
04:20 deanclkclk or anyone here who understand franctional reserve banking
04:22 mircea_popescu go ahead
04:28 deanclkclk well just looking at a t account..how can fractional reserve banking be inflationary
04:29 mircea_popescu you'll have to phrase that question better
04:29 deanclkclk what is loan out (asset to the bank) is always equal to it's liability (deposit)?
04:30 mircea_popescu what's your definition of "inflationary" ?
04:30 deanclkclk if the depositor withdraws money ..it comes from the bank reserves
04:30 deanclkclk inflationary..rising prices
04:31 mircea_popescu that'd be rising prices. traditionally inflation is defined as that state where the monetary mass increases.
04:31 mircea_popescu if in 2010 the total volume of payment insturments is 5, and in 2011 it's 6, then you've had a 20% inflation.
04:33 deanclkclk but, let me ask u this
04:33 deanclkclk in an investment bank...one which the depositor can't withdraw from his account because, he knows the bank doesn't have it (it's loan out)..that's isn't inflationary
04:34 deanclkclk but, it is said in a fractional reserve bank...the depositor still has access to his deposit even though it's loan out
04:34 deanclkclk that doesn't make any sense
04:34 deanclkclk because if deposit is 9 == loan 8 + reserve 1
04:34 mircea_popescu well, you've constructed it so it doesn't make any sense. take a better example : say i run a whorehouse and you bring me your wife. then one day you want to have sex. just because i've sent her to work the streets of mexico doesn't mean you can't have sex,
04:35 mircea_popescu i'll just hook you up with some other dude's wife.
04:35 mircea_popescu am i running fractional reserve whorehouse ? no. do you still get to have sex, even if your own wife is out ? sure.
04:35 deanclkclk if the depositor withdraws from his account ...how would that show on the T account?
04:35 deanclkclk says all his 9 dollars
04:35 mircea_popescu ib just takes a liquidity loan.
04:36 deanclkclk huh?
04:37 mircea_popescu myeah. best i can tell, you've painted yourself in a corner trying to understand this and now nothing makes sense.
04:37 deanclkclk I understand your whorehouse analogy
04:37 mircea_popescu time to re-examine your priors.
04:37 deanclkclk well if someone can show me how that would reflect on a T account..it would make a whole lotta sense
04:38 mircea_popescu okay, fair enough.
04:38 deanclkclk I'm just wondering how that would show
04:38 mircea_popescu central bank creates 10 bucks. pushes 2 each to 5 commercial banks. the banks loan out 50 bucks each, on the grounds that they are required by cb to keep 10% in reserves.
04:38 deanclkclk banks == liability (deposit $10) and assets (loan $9 & reserve $1)
04:38 deanclkclk that balances
04:39 mircea_popescu now, the monetary mass at the cb level is 100, and the monetary mass at the cb level is 500
04:39 mircea_popescu that's a 400% inflation.
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00084234 = 1.811 BTC [+] {2}
04:39 mircea_popescu meh i cocked the math up. lemme redo.
04:39 deanclkclk yeah but, just listen
04:39 deanclkclk listen
04:39 mircea_popescu kay.
04:39 deanclkclk just an simple example
04:39 deanclkclk in this illustration
04:39 deanclkclk banks == liability (deposit $10) and assets (loan $9 & reserve $1)
04:40 deanclkclk that's their T account right
04:40 deanclkclk the loan out $9
04:40 mircea_popescu you don't get to use the assets in there.
04:40 deanclkclk so what if..the depositor wants to withdraw his 10 dollars
04:40 mircea_popescu their liability is 10 and the assets 1.
04:40 deanclkclk how would that show on the banks T account?
04:41 deanclkclk yeah the 1 dollar is their current asset
04:41 deanclkclk I get that
04:41 mircea_popescu this is a purely accounting q, but :
04:41 mircea_popescu step 1 : deposit 10, loan 9, reserve 1.
04:41 mircea_popescu step 2 : withraw the 10 : deposit 0, loan 9, reserve 1, owed 10 to liquidity provider
04:42 mircea_popescu this bank now owes the 10 it owed before, except not to its original depositor.
04:42 mircea_popescu nothing much changed.
04:44 mircea_popescu note that accounting generally is just a convention, and it may be uniquely adequate or uniquely inadequate to resolve any factual problems. in some formulations inflation is opaque to accounting, in some others quite transparent. this doesn't make inflation go away, even if it's very tempting for all governments historically to pretend so.
04:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7392 @ 0.00084236 = 6.2267 BTC [+]
04:48 deanclkclk ok
04:48 deanclkclk hmmm
04:50 deanclkclk yes I know mircea_popescu but, I'm just wondering how would that show on the account
04:50 deanclkclk but, with a deposit being 0...wouldn't that cause the T account to not be balanced?
04:51 deanclkclk liabilties are greater than an asset
04:51 mircea_popescu nope. you still owe 10, but not to depositors anymore, to liquidity provider instead.
04:51 mircea_popescu just as balanced as it was.
04:52 mircea_popescu it goes from liabilities 10 (depositors) to liabilities 10 (government) or w/e
04:55 deanclkclk ohh so the liquidity provider funds the 10 dollars to pay back the depositor?
04:55 mircea_popescu well yes
04:55 deanclkclk liquidity provider in this case will be the central bank
04:56 mircea_popescu someone will have to, as the 9 loaned out are loaned on terms and can't (in this example we use) be recalled.
04:56 mircea_popescu in practice obviously some mix will be implemented.
04:56 mircea_popescu it isn't the central bank in a functioning economy
04:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00084219 = 9.7273 BTC [-]
04:56 mircea_popescu this is why the libor originally existed : so banks can liquidify each oth\er
04:56 mircea_popescu the interest they settled on becoming the "fair" interest for everyone, smaller players
04:57 deanclkclk ohh ok
04:57 mircea_popescu if it is the central bank you have by any sensible definition a central command economy like the soviets, and even discussing "banks" is just a masquerade
04:58 deanclkclk ok
04:59 deanclkclk but, if the banks are funding themselves..would that not increase the total stock of money?
05:00 mircea_popescu well, how ?
05:00 deanclkclk because, if bank A give to Bank B...bank A is decreasing it's money stock and giving it to Bank B
05:00 mircea_popescu so...
05:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17311 @ 0.00083963 = 14.5348 BTC [-] {2}
05:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00083961 = 13.8536 BTC [-]
05:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 370 @ 0.001 = 0.37 BTC [+]
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05:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3213 @ 0.00083961 = 2.6977 BTC [-]
05:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4316 @ 0.00083468 = 3.6025 BTC [-]
05:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22133 @ 0.0008367 = 18.5187 BTC [+]
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31799 @ 0.00083456 = 26.5382 BTC [-] {2}
06:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56888 @ 0.00083424 = 47.4582 BTC [-] {2}
06:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
06:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02520706 = 0.605 BTC [-] {3}
06:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46010011 BTC [-]
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06:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
06:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1712 @ 0.00083386 = 1.4276 BTC [-]
06:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25188 @ 0.0008331 = 20.9841 BTC [-] {2}
06:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04999999 = 5 BTC [+]
06:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00083687 = 6.0748 BTC [+] {2}
07:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 156 @ 0.0046 = 0.7176 BTC [+] {2}
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07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00083899 = 10.0259 BTC [+] {2}
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08:55 kleeck0 So, I'm confused. Should I stop mining on ghash.io?
08:56 Duffer1 yep
08:56 kleeck0 lol
08:56 kleeck0 Joking, joking.
08:56 Duffer1 oh hehe
08:56 kleeck0 Reddit is ablaze with STOP DAT GHASH!
08:57 Duffer1 good
08:57 Duffer1 reddit has it's uses
08:57 taub_ some hard movement on gox
09:00 mircea_popescu what's the problem with ghash ?
09:00 Duffer1 too many of the gigahashes
09:00 mircea_popescu o
09:01 mircea_popescu i guess this explains why elegius actually found a coupla blocks today
09:01 mircea_popescu hasn't been seen since... spring ?
09:01 Duffer1 42+% of the network + attempted double spends on gambling sites
09:02 mircea_popescu o seriously ? which ?
09:02 mircea_popescu seems improbable
09:02 Duffer1 let me find the link
09:03 Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.0
09:03 ozbot GHash.IO and double-spending against BetCoin Dice
09:03 mircea_popescu but that's... october ?!
09:03 mircea_popescu Like a month ago, in September I witnessed a lot of double-spending against BetCoin Dice. I
09:03 mircea_popescu herp. ghash has likely 0 to do with it.
09:04 Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.100
09:04 mircea_popescu clueless dice site clone guy can't read/doesn't understand what's going on
09:04 mircea_popescu wasn't btc guild 49% back in march ?
09:05 mircea_popescu before their pliant attitude to the -dev chan pretty much cost them their business ?
09:05 Duffer1 i think they got close ya
09:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14791 @ 0.00084011 = 12.4261 BTC [+]
09:29 KRS1 i think they did something about it..ghash.io isnt maybe
09:30 mircea_popescu in principle no pool should be over 40%
09:30 mircea_popescu course reddit is about as likely to change weather patterns as it is likely to have any impact on this matter, but naywya.
09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00083988 = 9.3185 BTC [-] {2}
09:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.0046 = 0.644 BTC [+]
09:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00083945 = 11.2486 BTC [-] {2}
09:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00083897 = 3.6495 BTC [-]
09:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 556 @ 0.001 = 0.556 BTC [+]
10:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02559 = 0.1024 BTC [+]
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10:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00083901 = 12.6691 BTC [+] {2}
10:33 Duffer1 http://www.coindesk.com/worlds-first-insured-bitcoin-storage-service-launches-uk/
10:33 Duffer1 Lloyds of London
10:33 Duffer1 <---called it
10:34 asciilifeform microscope hammer.
10:35 KRS1 why is not my cardano insured? INFIDELS
10:37 mike_c whoa, they use "deep cold storage". that sounds better.
10:38 mike_c biz idea: "super-deep frozen storage".
10:38 Troic_ the policy sucks, claims calculated in BTC; if rate has gone down, but GBP at insure date if rate has gone up.
10:39 the20year i wonder waht their rate is
10:39 Troic_ 2% of total cover, in GBP
10:39 Duffer1 you pay more to insure at x value of fiat
10:40 Duffer1 dunno what their policy is if/when it goes below that..
10:40 the20year fiat insurance is 2% or higher from Lloyds?
10:41 Duffer1 er nm i suppose that wouldn't matter for theft insurance
10:42 the20year So ghash is at 42%
10:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10045 @ 0.00083989 = 8.4367 BTC [+] {2}
10:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3955 @ 0.00083882 = 3.3175 BTC [-]
10:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00084168 = 18.3065 BTC [+]
10:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00084219 = 1.9791 BTC [+]
11:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC [+]
11:06 KRS1 is it better to have deep or cold storage
11:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46200116 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}
11:06 KRS1 like..if I have a wallet, I need it to be deep for fat stacks, but if its cold I can't exactly whip it out
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00084232 = 13.937 BTC [+] {2}
11:28 mjoiii /join #bitcoin
11:29 mike_c that's a big problem with bitcoin. you can't roll up a fat stack with a rubber band and slap them on the table.
11:30 Duffer1 paper wallets, 1 satoshi each
11:30 Duffer1 biggest stack of $$ you've ever seen
11:30 asciilifeform there's a serious problem with the horseless carriage - you can't whip its arse to make it go faster.
11:31 mike_c totally agreed! that's why horse races are more exciting than nascar.
11:31 Duffer1 watching water boil is more exciting than nascar
11:32 pankkake and why ponygirl races are more exciting than horse races
11:32 asciilifeform now if only horses could catch fire and engulf the audience in an inferno.
11:32 Duffer1 i'd watch that
11:32 mike_c well, they do trip occasionally and then got shot right out on the track.
11:32 mike_c *get
11:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4620505 = 0.9241 BTC [+] {2}
11:39 mircea_popescu fun fact : the us has been quietly returning gold to germany
11:39 mircea_popescu except... well... it doesn't have the stamps
11:39 mircea_popescu "it had to be melted for transport" says the official story.
11:40 pankkake filled with tungsten?
11:40 mircea_popescu i doubt that.
11:41 pankkake yeah they will check
11:41 Duffer1 is this news significant?
11:41 mircea_popescu Duffer1 well... depends how much you've been following the precious metal wranglings
11:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00084227 = 1.7688 BTC [-]
11:42 Duffer1 ah ya i haven't followed metals at all
11:43 mike_c not having the stamps is interesting. yet another confirmation that the fed plays games with other countries deposits.
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00084134 = 15.6069 BTC [-] {2}
11:43 mircea_popescu mike_c course there's not really enough gold on deposit to be doing it
11:43 mircea_popescu so unless china graciously decided to lend... or else maybe russia ?
11:43 mircea_popescu or japan. india isn't, and there just aren't that many folks with gold
11:44 mike_c no way china would lend us gold
11:44 mircea_popescu seeing how it's worthless and not particularly important in modern finance etc.
11:44 mircea_popescu why not ? it's lending everything else...
11:44 mike_c that's why. gold is the only thing it hoards.
11:44 mike_c at least until it starts hoarding btc
11:44 mircea_popescu nope
11:44 mircea_popescu ip is the only thing it hoards.
11:45 mircea_popescu and as the inept leadership oif the us has been giving them absolutely all the techs in the most incredible transfer of wealth/spoliage in human history,
11:45 Duffer1 but dat labor so cheap
11:45 mike_c it collects ip. hoarding would indicate it is creating ip and not sharing.
11:45 mircea_popescu i can't imagine why they'd care about lending a little gold so various us idiots can save a little face.
11:45 mircea_popescu o, it's not sharing.
11:46 mircea_popescu you don't get to see what it develops on top of what it loots from us corps.
11:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00084246 = 22.9149 BTC [+] {2}
11:46 mike_c invisible ip? what are they doing that is so cool?
11:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20719 @ 0.001 = 20.719 BTC [+]
11:47 mike_c they can keep the cheap kewpie doll ip.
11:47 mircea_popescu they're putting a guy on the moon.
11:48 mircea_popescu anyway, THEIR nsa isn't being riddled with fuckwith trannies that turncoat, so you don';t really know what they are doing.
11:49 kakobrekla http://dangerousminds.net/comments/humble_chinese_billionaire_has_designed_the_perfect_template_for_your_next
11:49 ozbot Dangerous Minds
11:50 asciilifeform considering the inclination of usg to run things at a loss (so long as said loss can be pawned off on some chump),
11:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00299668 = 0.2937 BTC [+]
11:50 asciilifeform perhaps the gold was 'borrowed' from a neutron bombardment reactor at sandia or somesuch.
11:52 mircea_popescu in these qtys ?
11:52 mircea_popescu kakobrekla omfg, rpietilla is chinese
11:52 kakobrekla lol
11:52 KRS1 thought he was espanish
11:53 kakobrekla enorwegian afaik
11:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00299668 = 0.1648 BTC [+]
11:53 mircea_popescu he's eweirdo, wherever those are
11:53 mircea_popescu rhutenia or latvia or somesuch. kaspiar.
11:54 mircea_popescu kakobrekla anyway, that's kind-of culture shock. the chinese do that sort of thing in chinese all the time. very self-stroking culture, it's not quite as wow as in european terms
11:55 kakobrekla myea
12:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00084128 = 1.304 BTC [-]
12:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00464999 = 0.6975 BTC [+] {4}
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00465 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2}
12:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00083876 = 9.9393 BTC [-]
12:17 benkay` ;;gettrust benkay
12:17 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay` to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay`&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
12:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.462011 BTC [-]
12:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00298191 = 2.9819 BTC [-] {10}
12:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.10035833 = 1.2043 BTC [-] {6}
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02559 = 0.1791 BTC [+]
12:46 deadweasel These nice new cheap samsung monitors are less appealing now
12:46 deadweasel http://phunukieuviet.vn/phap-luat/cong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-ve-samsung-thai-nguyen-8-nguoi-chet.html
12:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00083876 = 22.4368 BTC [-]
12:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 625 @ 0.000475 = 0.2969 BTC [+]
12:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0008391 = 10.1112 BTC [+] {2}
13:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 15266 @ 0.005 = 76.33 BTC {4}
13:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00083925 = 39.0251 BTC [+]
13:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC {2}
13:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC
13:12 Duffer1 100,000 units of mintspare now up for sale on havelock
13:12 PLambert Oh look, MS is now available on Havelock. Who is excited to lose their money?
13:12 PLambert bah, you beat me by a second :(
13:13 Duffer1 ha man i tried to warn them in that thread, hopefully that 160 is all they sell
13:13 PLambert what, people are actaully buying that shit?
13:13 Duffer1 havelock trying to fake volume
13:13 PLambert maybe it is the operator trying to make themself look more presentable
13:14 PLambert bah, you beat me by a second again :(
13:14 Duffer1 hehe
13:14 Duffer1 no i expect they'll sell out because... history like repeating itself
13:15 topace there's no faking volume
13:15 PLambert they are asking for way too much money and giving way too little in return, and their business model is easily copied
13:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00048 = 0.24 BTC [+]
13:15 PLambert volume is easy to fake
13:16 Duffer1 and the original could jsut start accepting bitcoins themselves and kill off all competition QUITE easily
13:16 PLambert just need a couple bitcoins, send to stooge's account, buy shares, repeat
13:16 PLambert what is the original?
13:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4380 @ 0.00083926 = 3.676 BTC [+] {2}
13:16 topace real shares being bought with real bitcoins != fake volume
13:17 PLambert can you tell the difference between real and fake?
13:17 jborkl wait, so they buy old cellphones for bitcoins
13:17 jborkl uggh
13:17 PLambert jborkl, yeah and "fix them and resell"
13:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC
13:17 PLambert see, there is some fake volume?
13:18 Duffer1 R.I.P. 20 btc, you will be missed
13:18 topace PLambert: why do you think thats "fake" ?
13:18 jborkl so, when the exchange rate rapes them - they are out of business
13:18 PLambert who has 20 btc and is dumb enough to fall for this?
13:18 topace real bitcoins used to buy real shares
13:18 topace im watching the server right now
13:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC
13:18 topace and i wrote the damn platform
13:18 topace there's no way to "fake" trades
13:19 PLambert I am not saying they are fake trades, just that they are insider trades
13:19 topace "[13:16:11] <PLambert> see, there is some fake volume?"
13:20 jborkl topace, do you know how they plan to resell? are they shipping them overseas to Africa or selling them for BTC again?
13:21 PLambert topace, I am not saying that the trade is not hapenning, just guessing that it is an insider
13:21 mike_c selling them on ebay
13:21 Duffer1 i believe 'volume' is being used here to mean: "puppet accounts using btc to provide the illusion of demand"
13:21 topace jborkl: im not involved with the actual listings anymore
13:21 mike_c for lolz:
13:21 mike_c https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=54
13:21 PLambert duffer1: right, puppet is a good word for what I meant
13:24 Duffer1 topace i'm not saying that is what's happening, i have no idea, that's just my overly cynical ravings talking
13:31 Duffer1 meanwhile at ActM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4399315#msg4399315
13:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC
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13:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.49799993 = 2.988 BTC [+] {3}
13:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0044332 = 0.2039 BTC [-] {2}
14:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
14:04 ThickAsThieves https://help.overstock.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5794/c/4
14:04 ozbot Bitcoin
14:04 ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1utcz6/bitcoin_payments_are_now_live_on_overstockcom/
14:04 ozbot Bitcoin payments are now live on Overstock.com : Bitcoin
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]
14:05 ThickAsThieves partnered with coinbase on it
14:05 Duffer1 wow that got that done a lot faster than i thought they would
14:08 ThickAsThieves they were waiting for a dip to buy in first
14:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5496 @ 0.00083958 = 4.6143 BTC [+]
14:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 22 @ 0.005 = 0.11 BTC
14:09 ThickAsThieves IPO!
14:10 TomServo Anyone ever used cashintocoins.com?
14:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC
14:18 ThickAsThieves http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/stampact/?cid=16778634
14:18 ozbot Could a Civil War-Era Law Stamp Out Bitcoin? | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
14:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 228 @ 0.005 = 1.14 BTC
14:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00084197 = 10.4825 BTC [+] {2}
14:18 ThickAsThieves "This 152-year-old law forbids any American from issuing a check, note, or token that’s worth less than $1"
14:18 ThickAsThieves guess we need satoshi dollar parity
14:19 Duffer1 lul :/
14:19 ThickAsThieves to the bitmobile!
14:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 240 @ 0.005 = 1.2 BTC
14:22 mircea_popescu this 226 year old constitution forbids any law from forbiding stupid shit
14:22 mircea_popescu so problem solved
14:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
14:24 mircea_popescu .d
14:24 ozbot 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 680 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.6216% in 3d 18h 45m 1s
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00084161 = 9.0473 BTC [-]
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084161 = 7.9111 BTC [-]
14:33 KRS1 I used cashintocoins.com a few times- very good service.
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14:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04999999 = 1.5 BTC [+]
14:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02559 = 0.128 BTC [+]
14:54 the20year Anyone want to take a look at the revised rentalstarter business plan/disclosure?
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00084252 = 13.9437 BTC [+]
14:54 mike_c sure
14:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 29 @ 0.005 = 0.145 BTC
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15:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00084252 = 5.7291 BTC [+] {2}
15:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12495 @ 0.0008415 = 10.5145 BTC [-] {2}
15:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12745 @ 0.0008415 = 10.7249 BTC [-]
15:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31505 @ 0.00084049 = 26.4796 BTC [-]
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83780 @ 0.00083936 = 70.3216 BTC [-] {5}
15:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+]
15:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13237 @ 0.00084253 = 11.1526 BTC [+] {2}
15:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC
15:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.02559 = 0.3583 BTC [+]
15:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3136 @ 0.00009449 = 0.2963 BTC [-]
15:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00084118 = 22.2913 BTC [-]
15:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00083876 = 1.8453 BTC [-]
15:56 mike_c is mpex taking wire transfers now? blockchain isn't showing any deposits since november.
15:57 mike_c quiet month i guess
16:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04999999 = 2 BTC [+]
16:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02619899 = 0.2882 BTC [+]
16:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC
16:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04999999 = 1.75 BTC [+]
16:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
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16:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22758 @ 0.00084267 = 19.1775 BTC [+] {2}
16:43 benkay` http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/72428827671/another-massive-flawless-patching-noone-shares-the
16:43 ozbot Another massive flawless patching. Noone shares the excitement. - DevOps Reactions
16:44 pankkake devops is still a thing?
16:45 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/f097a5e09b34362dd6cf21e0da6799b8/tumblr_mygm5duF6t1sd7fomo1_1280.jpg
16:46 mircea_popescu "now where did i park again ?! maybe it was in the pink ?"
16:46 benkay` us management didn't turn over overnight, pankkake. still gotta deal with the derps.
16:46 benkay` in the meantime, it's an acceptable shorthand for a whole buncha shit.
16:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02619899 = 0.524 BTC [+]
16:55 KRS1 nice send moar pr0ns and dtng
16:55 KRS1 lel definately in the pink
17:01 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/9d8187023d73a491c19ff1f8da809ae4/tumblr_mxzpwdAw8X1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg
17:01 mircea_popescu buda, of course, is romanian for toilet
17:02 mike_c speaking of virtual reality, i tried an oculus rift for the first time recently. mindblowing.
17:03 KRS1 Mmmm those are the eastern/European women i love so much.
17:03 KRS1 I think I need to move to somewhere in Europe.
17:04 KRS1 Probably Poland. Their womens look delicious.
17:04 mircea_popescu prolly serbia is the cheapest atm.
17:05 mircea_popescu kinda funny to see women that look like women declared "eastern european".
17:05 mircea_popescu you know us chicks would look exactly the same if you made them walk everywhere and cook.
17:05 mircea_popescu and they did back when you did.
17:05 KRS1 that oculus looks badass
17:06 BingoBoingo Right now I'd lean towards serbia over Poland for the weather.
17:06 KRS1 Womens who look like that are probably of Euro descent. Most people in the U.S. are of immigrant descent.
17:06 mircea_popescu serbia isn't big enough to have a weather
17:06 mircea_popescu KRS1 ie, german.
17:06 KRS1 Except for Aborigine women..ew.
17:08 Vexual yeah but give an east berlin chick a club and she'll just start dancing
17:08 KRS1 Aboriginal womenz http://tinyurl.com/omejnqk
17:08 KRS1 :X
17:08 KRS1 ..and that chick with the red hair is considered hawt there.
17:11 Vexual http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2014-01-08/covertrail03_630.jpg real newspaper men still exist
17:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00084239 = 9.2663 BTC [-]
17:12 benkay` nice, vex.
17:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00083997 = 12.0956 BTC [-]
17:15 KRS1 My last g/f was Polish-ish. She had greyblue eyes and very straight blondish-brown hair..if this is how Europen women mostly look I must go. There is no other type of woman for me.
17:16 mircea_popescu i think europeans are mostly brunette.
17:17 mircea_popescu course, if you stick to german lands...
17:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00083895 = 30.0764 BTC [-] {4}
17:25 Vexual http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Venus_de_Lespugue_%28replica%29.jpg/600px-Venus_de_Lespugue_%28replica%29.jpg
17:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9090 @ 0.00083692 = 7.6076 BTC [-] {2}
17:28 Vexual it's amazing what an ice age can do
17:28 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
17:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC [+]
17:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00084367 = 7.593 BTC [+]
17:38 KRS1 Germany it is!
17:39 KRS1 Brunettes...pubes..its like the black hole..can't go down there..not down with that.
17:40 KRS1 I just love the round-robin discussion topic nature of IRC.
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18:01 martjoh Hello everyone
18:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2199 @ 0.00083798 = 1.8427 BTC [-]
18:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00298649 = 0.3584 BTC [+] {3}
18:03 mike_c hello
18:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00299699 = 0.1648 BTC [+]
18:05 benkay what brings you to -assets, martjoh?
18:07 nubbins` hi
18:07 nubbins` so i've decided to throw some money away
18:08 Vexual solar powered mining nubs?
18:09 nubbins` nah. just listed a rare casascius coin on ebay, starting bid $3.8k
18:09 nubbins` (HEH)
18:09 nubbins` likely will lose listing fees
18:09 martjoh benkay, I was referred and i would love just to check it out
18:12 benkay referred by whom, martjoh? what topics pique your interest?
18:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.02505687 = 0.3508 BTC [-] {3}
18:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.002997 = 0.5035 BTC [+]
18:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 65 @ 0.003 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3}
18:32 kakobrekla http://www.wired.com/business/2014/01/overstock-bitcoin-live/
18:32 ozbot The Grand Experiment Goes Live: Overstock.com Is Now Accepting Bitcoins | Wired Business | Wired.com
18:32 kakobrekla dunno im prolly late anyway
18:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27851 @ 0.00083821 = 23.345 BTC [+] {3}
18:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64013 @ 0.00084401 = 54.0276 BTC [+] {3}
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187 @ 0.0008454 = 0.1581 BTC [+]
18:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3549 @ 0.0008434 = 2.9932 BTC [-]
18:41 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Such a shame Roger Ver was so readily displaced as the used electronics BTC Jesus
18:43 kakobrekla heh
18:48 nubbins` thinking about putting linux on a touchscreen netbook for my mother. distro recommendations?
18:48 nubbins` thinking ubuntu or mint, not sure about touch support in either
18:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00083651 = 21.9584 BTC [-]
18:49 PLambert isn't android a linux version made for touch screens?
18:52 nubbins` after a fashion
18:54 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Ubuntu isn't bad for such uses so long as someone isn't betting their life on the machine
18:55 nubbins` nah, just casual use
18:55 nubbins` she's in her 60s
18:58 benkay just get her an apple, nubbins`. you'll be so much less burdened with tech support...
18:58 nubbins` i'd love to, she doesn't want to spend the $$
18:58 nubbins` her last netbook was $300 and lasted 4 years
18:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17987 @ 0.00083651 = 15.0463 BTC [-]
18:59 PLambert I thought Ubuntu was releasing a mobile version soon, that would imply they are trying to support touchscreens?
19:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7136 @ 0.00083497 = 5.9583 BTC [-]
19:02 nubbins` apparently ubuntu supports touch
19:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00083385 = 48.7802 BTC [-] {2}
19:08 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Use lenovo x120e's are running $150-300 and do great with most Linux and BSd distros
19:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: problem with ancient laptops is the almost total impossibility of finding a working battery.
19:09 nubbins` ^
19:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: These aren't ancient.
19:09 asciilifeform >2 yrs. or so.
19:09 twizt lenovo towers are great
19:09 nubbins` BingoBoingo: will look into that, thanks
19:09 asciilifeform about the shelf life of Li ion cell.
19:10 twizt some people are all about apple, im all about lenovo haha
19:10 BingoBoingo Mine's just around 2 years old. I've taken apart most everything but the battery in the course of replacing the fan.
19:10 nubbins` my last office job, every computer in the building was a lenovo
19:10 nubbins` actually, every computer across the country
19:10 nubbins` thousands of employees
19:11 nubbins` all using lenovo
19:11 nubbins` anyway, friend popping over. thanks for the advice
19:11 nubbins` cheers
19:11 twizt ibm think pad
19:11 twizt i bought 4 X220 tablets
19:11 twizt still on #1
19:12 twizt been 2 years
19:12 twizt i have too many computers....
19:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14214 @ 0.00083381 = 11.8518 BTC [-]
19:16 BingoBoingo twizt: Honestly I picked my X120e for the amd fusion chip, and I've fallen in love with it for the keyboard
19:17 twizt you have the mac style keyboard?
19:17 twizt or the old one
19:17 twizt with the red ball mouse
19:18 BingoBoingo twizt: It has the clit and a trackpad
19:19 BingoBoingo the keyboard has chiclet keys, but they have enough curve on top to make navigation something other than a pain
19:20 twizt yea the mac style
19:20 twizt lol
19:20 pankkake yeah I like my keyboards like I like my women, with curves
19:21 coinslot minislim
19:21 twizt lmao
19:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18686 @ 0.00083273 = 15.5604 BTC [-]
19:21 pankkake asciilifeform: there are many third party services making batteries, so I wouldn't be so sure about that
19:22 asciilifeform pankkake: i bought dozens of aftermarket batteries for various gadgets over the years, and not one had anything like the performance of the original.
19:22 asciilifeform maybe i'm just unlucky, but they never get the charge controller (aka 'fuel gauge') right.
19:22 coinslot cointerra and bitfury need to ship already so PETA can start mining! grrrr
19:22 pankkake I wouldn't be surprised. and it's expensive too
19:23 asciilifeform what the chinese normally do is spot-weld new Li cells into an old battery
19:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There have only been a couple revision to this model, but to the best of my knowledge the battery is identicle until the one released a couple months ago.
19:23 asciilifeform without doing anything to the original (stateful!) charge IC
19:24 pankkake thankfully I don't really need laptops
19:24 BingoBoingo I really only need 10-20 minutes of battery so I can take the thing out to the garage for smoke breaks, then again that is prolly why I keep having to replace the fucking fan
19:25 twizt i smoke weed around my laptop all the time
19:25 KRS1 but does your laptop deserve such pleasures
19:26 twizt haha
19:26 twizt its a thinkPad
19:26 twizt so yes
19:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21401 @ 0.00084035 = 17.9843 BTC [+]
19:33 KRS1 Wells Fargo is getting bitcoin friendly.
19:33 KRS1 They just agreed to allow PlayCoin Entertainment to open an account with them.
19:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]
19:35 pankkake do they know it's a bitcoin business?
19:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.0008454 = 25.8692 BTC [+]
19:40 BingoBoingo Browsing Overstock.com I can help but enounter shitty design decision I haven't faced in years. Why the fuck do all of hese watches with Quarts movements have second hands
19:47 PLambert you want a watch without a second hand?
19:50 BingoBoingo PLambert: If it has a quartz movement, yes
19:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0029406 = 0.2941 BTC [-]
19:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0008454 = 23.164 BTC [+]
20:10 KRS1 idk what they know pankkake
20:18 BingoBoingo Any thoughts on whether I should go Red http://www.overstock.com/Jewelry-Watches/Seiko-Mens-Kinetic-Stainless-Steel-Black-Dial-Automatic-Watch/7707169/product.html or Green http://www.overstock.com/Jewelry-Watches/Seiko-Mens-Kinetic-Black-Green-Watch/7708120/product.html?refccid=H7DUS3BIZD72KE2JVF6SV4HYMA&searchidx=1
20:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2713 @ 0.0008454 = 2.2936 BTC [+]
20:28 kakobrekla green could be more comfortable to wear
20:28 BingoBoingo Thank you kakobrekla Green does seem more comfortable. I might go with that.
20:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14087 @ 0.00084551 = 11.9107 BTC [+]
20:29 pankkake reminds me of http://i.imgur.com/q0lhxol.png
20:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.002997 = 0.4795 BTC [+]
20:32 BingoBoingo pankkake: I'm just looking for something shiny I can pick up while paying tribute to new used electronics BTC Jesus (pronounced like the Janitor rather than the savior)
20:32 kakobrekla lol
20:32 BingoBoingo It is good to see though that even Vexual can get stocked up here http://www.overstock.com/Health-Beauty/Incontinence/1485/cat.html?TID=TN:HB:Incont
20:34 kakobrekla thought you gonna link bongs and such
20:35 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Too gone for that. Vexual has all of the tools he needs to become Vexual. He just needs to control the mess nao.
20:35 kakobrekla :D
20:35 BingoBoingo I have one of these already, but the description starts lying on the second word when it describes this thing as "sleek" http://www.overstock.com/Jewelry-Watches/Seiko-Mens-Orange-Monster-Automatic-Silver-Stainless-Steel-Watch/8338833/product.html
20:37 BingoBoingo That fucker feel like exactly how you might imagine a third of a pound of diving equiptment feels on the wrist
20:39 kakobrekla i stoped wearing my binary wrist watch after i got my first cellphone that showed time
20:44 kakobrekla it was such
20:44 kakobrekla www.hybrid.pe.kr/tt/attach/1/7035478176.jpg
20:44 kakobrekla i had the one on the left
20:47 BingoBoingo Nice
20:48 BingoBoingo I just ordered the green one so nobody order from overstock.com until it arrives. We can't be feeding scamzors can we?
20:49 kakobrekla :)
20:49 kakobrekla i hope you went for the red one, nsa is reading this.
20:49 Azelphur kakobrekla: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/neptune/neptune-pine-smartwatch-reinvented :P
20:50 Azelphur I was one of the first 500 backers...supposed to ship this month
20:50 kakobrekla no no wrong way Azelphur
20:50 Azelphur lol
20:50 kakobrekla i dont need smart anything, if anything i need stupid stuff
20:50 Azelphur oh, get this then http://dylanstiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/watch-big.jpg
20:51 kakobrekla i can buy this, http://thederosh.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/flavor-flav-cc08.jpg
20:51 kakobrekla person included
20:52 Azelphur nice
20:53 kakobrekla anyway, i dont use a wrist anything anymore since cell took care of that, but even cell i use once a week on average
20:53 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Well the wrist to metal ratio on this pushed me to get the red/[and][or]/green one.
20:53 BingoBoingo https://unsee.cc/gesoma/
20:53 ozbot Unsee — Secure and private temporary image hosting
20:54 kakobrekla hehe yeah but expect 3 mics installed!
20:54 Azelphur haha I have a phone and tablet that I use regularly
20:55 kakobrekla BingoBoingo i bet your arm feels a lot lighter if you take that thing off eh
20:55 kakobrekla "watch it people, i took my watch off"
20:55 BingoBoingo Yeah. I picked that think up when I worked at a mall kiosk the year before BTC happened
20:56 BingoBoingo No electronic parts though
20:56 kakobrekla aha self powering thingy?
20:56 BingoBoingo NSA can't read my time... without a microphone... that wouldn't have to be very sensitive... because it is awfully loud
20:57 kakobrekla :)
20:58 BingoBoingo It isn't like time is real anyway
21:02 BingoBoingo Uh oh kakobrekla Garr255 might get BitBet to say who you are http://gawker.com/court-orders-yelp-to-reveal-anonymous-reviewers-identi-1498108583
21:03 BingoBoingo This is seriously a bad precedent though, if only people who fell for scams pointed out scams every scam would be unconditionally loved decades after having gone totes scam
21:04 kakobrekla i imagine he is that dumb he would try that, but my info is easily obtainable
21:05 BingoBoingo Well, one just has to care to check the S.BBET contract.
21:05 kakobrekla prett much so
21:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC
21:07 BingoBoingo I think I need to make a cryptostocks account. Imma make a mining farm. S.Potato
21:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00084507 = 4.4789 BTC [-]
21:07 kakobrekla why just not LTC.Asic
21:08 BingoBoingo Imma farm like 10 potato plants. ANd when they grow ptotatos I'll sell them for BTC
21:08 kakobrekla a that
21:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00084461 = 17.8635 BTC [-]
21:08 kakobrekla usagi/eskimo bob style
21:08 BingoBoingo It will be insured too. If the potatos don't grow I'll buy some at the store.
21:08 BingoBoingo And then sell them for BTC
21:08 kakobrekla lol
21:09 BingoBoingo This has to be like a 0.0025 BTC business
21:09 kakobrekla yeah well btc is clearly on top now and potatos are on the bottom
21:09 kakobrekla seems normal to hedge some
21:10 BingoBoingo Maybe in July I'll open the S.Potato delivers BitBet, but this might be a bit small for BitBet
21:11 kakobrekla dunno, maybe it will suffice if you make it a club
21:13 BingoBoingo Nah, this will be the stupidest and most predictible asset in BTC history.
21:13 BingoBoingo Perfect for people who want to short BTC and long potatos
21:15 BingoBoingo Fuck this shit. Cryptostocks wants 1BTC to list a security. I plan on growing maybe 5-20lbs of potatos.
21:16 kakobrekla sell shares directly doh
21:19 BingoBoingo Eh, then I will have to vanitygen 1potato
21:22 BingoBoingo Motherfuckers, someone is already squatting bitcoinpotato.com http://bitcoinpotato.com/
21:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 262 @ 0.00084551 = 0.2215 BTC [+]
21:27 BingoBoingo Just used the contact us for to let bitcoinpotato.com know that I want his domain
21:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28388 @ 0.00084566 = 24.0066 BTC [+] {2}
21:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.000501 = 0.501 BTC [-]
21:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 550 @ 0.00084328 = 0.4638 BTC [-]
21:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [-]
21:53 BingoBoingo The BBWA has declared war on the internet
21:56 BingoBoingo http://bbwaa.com/lebatard-statement/
21:56 ozbot BBWAA.com: Official site of the Baseball Writers' Assn. of America.
22:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33245 @ 0.00084457 = 28.0777 BTC [+] {2}
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC
22:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: care to explain?
22:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some baseball writer crowdsourced who would appear on his Hall of Fame ballot and nao the other baseball writers are butthurt
22:09 asciilifeform granted i don't know the sport, but presumably that wasn't what they normally agree to?
22:10 asciilifeform sort of like the legendary programmer who secretly outsourced his job to chinese slaves.
22:12 BingoBoingo Well, these examples happen in defferent contexts.
22:13 BingoBoingo The baseball writer is a specialist tasked with preserving the cultural memory of a pursuit a large part of the population has an affinity for.
22:13 BingoBoingo The programmer is a specialist tasked with making Java do something in one particular case.
22:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what would you think if you had paid a little for, say, kasparov to play a game with you, and found out that he's taking a vote from web wankers as to each move instead of playing?
22:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 35 @ 0.005 = 0.175 BTC
22:24 BingoBoingo If I was playing on IRC I'd be rather indifferent. I anticipate no one I play chess with on IRC actually playing. I just assume they are all using fruit or whatever the fashionable engine is nao a days. The value in playing Kasparov would be the trash talk.
22:24 BingoBoingo I dunno what the price to get Kasparov to actually play nao would be though.
22:24 BingoBoingo His entire brand nao is pretty much built on the fact he doesn't play
22:25 asciilifeform idea is, you're paying him (or pick another favourite) to get a real feel for the style
22:25 asciilifeform and you find out that he was getting reddit wankers' moves in a spy earphone
22:25 BingoBoingo AnywaysI could lose to web wakers just about as easily as I can lose to Kasparov.
22:25 asciilifeform you ask why, he tells you 'that's my style now'
22:26 asciilifeform you paid for a kasparov game, presumably, not a reddit game
22:26 BingoBoingo Well the top player now Carlsen plays as though he just pulls whatever opening books reddit suggests he play
22:27 BingoBoingo I dunno that I'd be able to appreciate playing a real Kasparov game since most of the beauty happens in the middle and endgame normally
22:27 asciilifeform or say, he decides to play by picking legal moves from an rng.
22:27 asciilifeform would you still feel that you got your money's worth?
22:29 BingoBoingo It depends on the RNG.
22:29 asciilifeform good exercise btw
22:29 asciilifeform 'write random chess player'
22:30 asciilifeform will it always get easily 'kindermatt'ed or not?
22:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00083764 = 16.8366 BTC [-]
22:31 truffles how are we today BingoBoingo?
22:31 BingoBoingo Whether that happens I imagine depends on the first move that gets picked.
22:31 BingoBoingo truffles I'm not feeling bad
22:32 asciilifeform could one get some idea of a player's strength in seeing how long 'rngchess' lasts against him?
22:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Depends on when in the game RNG chess kicks in
22:32 asciilifeform first move to last.
22:33 asciilifeform machine always chooses random (uniform distrib.) legal move.
22:33 BingoBoingo If RNG chess doesn' have a good opening book you might need a rather large sample size of games to evaluate players
22:33 asciilifeform no opening book. just random legal move for every move.
22:34 BingoBoingo If the RNG plays as white for any first move other than 1 d4 and the other than 1 e4 and 1 f4 the RNG's winning chances are diminished at the start
22:35 truffles is chess solved?
22:35 BingoBoingo truffles: not yet
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00084221 = 0.5474 BTC [+]
22:36 truffles some declare tis
22:36 asciilifeform i'd be rather surprised if rngchess ever wins.
22:36 asciilifeform the question is how long it will take, normally, to lose.
22:36 BingoBoingo truffles: Even the best engines still require human intervention in the first 12 moves to compete at a high level
22:36 asciilifeform rngchess is unlikely to win even against itself (one ought to expect stalemate first.)
22:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well the thing is astoundingly poor play can can longer to lose a game than plainly naive play
22:37 asciilifeform right
22:38 asciilifeform in fact, a challenge for a human might consist in: 'lose to rngchess.'
22:38 BingoBoingo The 3-5 move mating combinations generally happen against people with some ideas of principles of the game. People who come in blind actually tend to defend agaist them more frequently in my experience.
22:39 truffles ure saying machine cant beat human at this time?
22:39 BingoBoingo truffles: asciilifeform is saying a human can't lose to an RNG, a specific type of machine
22:39 asciilifeform can. just with difficulty
22:40 asciilifeform machine in question plays randomly selected legal moves at all times.
22:40 truffles uh whyd it do that..
22:40 asciilifeform thought experiment.
22:41 BingoBoingo Most chess engines don't actually work from very different principles at the moment which is why Fruit will open with 1. f3 a disappointing number of times
22:41 truffles does a human do random moves though
22:42 BingoBoingo truffles: Humans don't do good random moves
22:42 BingoBoingo Humans don't do good random anything
22:42 BingoBoingo Outside of temporal lobe epilepsy
22:43 truffles put some dubstep to it
22:43 truffles in slow motion
22:44 BingoBoingo FUKU USCF
22:44 BingoBoingo I want to look up my ELO rating, but no
22:45 BingoBoingo Instead of a useful link there is a fucking banner ad
22:45 BingoBoingo That obscures the link I want
22:45 truffles i think ure above 900 for sure
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 9000 @ 0.000107 = 0.963 BTC [-]
22:46 BingoBoingo truffles: On over the board play against people I can spit on I'm rated in the 930's
22:48 truffles ive never been rated
22:49 BingoBoingo I did it in grade school and throughout my adult life so far some bars with decent Bloody Maries have held tournaments
22:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1080 @ 0.00084221 = 0.9096 BTC [+]
22:50 BingoBoingo Ah, as of April 2012 I am rated 887
22:51 BingoBoingo Elo rating though
22:52 BingoBoingo So I'm not 887th best in the world. I'm 887 on a scale from 0 to 3000
22:54 BingoBoingo So... I sent the BBWAA an email asking for membership. I wonder if they will negligently accept me as Bruce Schneier's comment section did.
22:55 asciilifeform schneier virtually never rejects anything but blatant spam.
22:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He rejected a lot of people in this channel supposing Cardano announcements
22:55 truffles he seems cool
22:55 BingoBoingo Or critiques of his airgap article
22:56 truffles what kind of requests twitter?
22:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00084045 = 13.9515 BTC [-] {2}
22:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 9608 @ 0.00010001 = 0.9609 BTC [-] {2}
22:56 KRS1 o/ mjr_
22:56 BingoBoingo I was the one who got a link to MP's airgap response to stick there after a lot of rejects from here
22:57 KRS1 cardano isn't even insured
22:57 truffles he rejected mp?
22:58 BingoBoingo truffles: Seems like he is a government agent
22:58 truffles id never suspect mp
22:58 BingoBoingo truffles: Not till you find him inside your wife
22:59 KRS1 hell of a place to be in any circumstance
22:59 truffles that would never happen :D
22:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00084221 = 1.0107 BTC [+]
22:59 BingoBoingo KRS1: WTF would insurance benefit a cardano anyway
23:00 asciilifeform when you go skydiving, do you insure your parachute?
23:00 truffles ;;google cardano
23:00 gribble Gerolamo Cardano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerolamo_Cardano>; Cardano: <http://www.cardano.com/>; Cardan biography: <http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Cardan.html>
23:01 truffles which one
23:02 asciilifeform gerolamo.
23:02 BingoBoingo No, you insure the plane so other causalties pay you . Insuring the parachute only pays your survivors.
23:02 KRS1 Low blow at the Cardano. Recently the world's first insured storage service was launched in the U.K.
23:02 KRS1 insteresting analogy BingoBoingo
23:02 KRS1 The whole thing is hosted on AWS and GoDaddy..security so gaping you can drive a lorry though
23:02 truffles tl dr
23:03 asciilifeform 1) insure storage for $bignum. 2) 'hack' account through chinese proxy. 3) profit!
23:03 asciilifeform this is called 'moral hazard', and legit insurer folks know about it.
23:03 truffles do they rly pay out
23:03 KRS1 haha
23:03 truffles seems they always find some way out of it
23:03 asciilifeform and won't insure random shit.
23:03 KRS1 can I use n.korean proxy for leet bonus points
23:05 asciilifeform legit insurance is for things that are 1) quantifiable risks that 2) one isn't likely to silently arrange and then laugh all the way to the bank.
23:05 BingoBoingo Oh, speaking of chenese proxies... If anyone is investigating the TradeFortress shit: the accounts o Bitcointalk named TradeFortress, MtDox, and Scotaloo might be the same person.
23:05 asciilifeform i thought this was kindergarten basics.
23:06 BingoBoingo Also... TF seems to definitely lived in Norther Australia In the first 2/3rds of 2013 or found a bunch of people running tor exit nodes in the same apartment complex
23:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: pwned cable modems?
23:08 asciilifeform (how to pwn an apartment complex full of cable modems simultaneously - exercise for alert reader!)
23:13 KRS1 sorry wanted to mak it clear "world's first insured [bitcoin] storage service was launched in the U.K."
23:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seems like the sort of exploit that would be reserved for a higher return sort of gig
23:14 truffles bitcoin bank?
23:14 asciilifeform exploits, like money, are found in the hands of both the wise and the foolish.
23:14 BingoBoingo KRS1: And overstock.com takes btc but I recommend no one use them until my watch arrives so we know they aren't too much scam
23:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well from conversations earlier 10 BTC prizes aren't worth zerodays yet
23:14 KRS1 overstock scam? serious?
23:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if we're thinking of the same challenge, that was a lamer who wanted 1BTC to play
23:15 KRS1 overstock is huge bro
23:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yeah the dude who wanted 1BTC to play for 10 when enough players funded the pot
23:16 asciilifeform and, of course, nobody's invented a way to mitigate counterparty risk in 0day markets yet.
23:16 asciilifeform one side or the other is wide open to being scammed clean.
23:17 asciilifeform and this type of transaction isn't frequent enough for meaningful reputations to be established.
23:17 BingoBoingo Some day though.
23:18 asciilifeform some day what, i'm curious
23:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some day people who pawn will be a big enough market to move their collected btc without sinking the boat. That day Linode will finally be bigger than Godaddy.com
23:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00084178 = 3.8722 BTC [-]
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23:52 BingoBoingo If the FBI every raids Linode and takes their private keys that will be you know the Jig is up and that kill switch is imminent asciilifeform
23:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 820 @ 0.001 = 0.82 BTC [+]
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