| 00:01 |
Vexual |
pakistan sold out of #0 phillips head screwdrivers |
| 00:02 |
Vexual |
whats one of those usb refectors worth? |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
20k a pop in packs of 50 |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
seems oddly overpriced but what do i know of red tape. |
| 00:05 |
Vexual |
me thinks they havent updated their prices sine 2007 |
| 00:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091444 = 5.3038 BTC [-] |
| 00:08 |
Vexual |
high school trig, a consumer radome, and it's @thats not jam, it's spoof!@ |
| 00:08 |
thestringpuller |
ls |
| 00:08 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
| 00:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00090326 / 0.000912 / 0.00091936 (684127 shares, 623.93 BTC), 7D: 0.00062972 / 0.00085727 / 0.00091936 (4322849 shares, 3,705.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087255 / 0.00091936 (18680368 shares, 16,299.58 BTC) |
| 00:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.003 = 0.582 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:12 |
Vexual |
nsa tv your postcode for $1000 lol |
| 00:13 |
Vexual |
they had a few months to go stealing back laptops tho |
| 00:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.31 = 10.23 BTC [+] |
| 00:28 |
Vexual |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_harmonic_motion |
| 00:28 |
ozbot |
Simple harmonic motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 00:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00091444 = 5.4866 BTC [-] |
| 00:37 |
Duffer1 |
happy new years #bitcoin-assets, may your bitcoins and assets do well this year |
| 00:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00091405 = 14.0764 BTC [-] {2} |
| 00:50 |
Vexual |
i seem to remember eeports of alienwares arriving with dodgy soldering |
| 00:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+] |
| 01:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18266 @ 0.00091453 = 16.7048 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 01:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6379 @ 0.00091453 = 5.8338 BTC [+] |
| 01:19 |
s4rn |
what's the difference between cryptostocks.com and havelock investments? i bought cryptsy stock from cryptostocks, now i'm interested in investing in neo&bee |
| 01:24 |
Vexual |
theres only one way to find our |
| 01:25 |
BingoBoingo |
s4rn: Havelock seems to just be kind of scammy, but Cryptostocks is totally scammy |
| 01:25 |
Vexual |
theres a good chance of closed eyes shotgun wins in 2014 |
| 01:27 |
Vexual |
but i standy by this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3203454#msg3203454 |
| 01:30 |
Vexual |
buy no such labs |
| 01:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00091562 = 5.6768 BTC [+] |
| 01:31 |
Vexual |
its an emerging industry, with capable people |
| 01:32 |
Vexual |
the market is bigger than predicted, and the risks are lower |
| 01:32 |
Vexual |
its a fucking no-brainer |
| 01:44 |
Vexual |
coz when the shit comes down, neobee will use all those funds for personal indenmity lawyers just like burnside did |
| 01:49 |
Vexual |
a proper comany will drop a director under a bus like its a catcoin, or not walk on the road when a bus is coming |
| 01:50 |
Vexual |
but, you can't reinvent captialism overnight |
| 01:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00091562 = 10.0718 BTC [+] |
| 01:52 |
VanCleef |
how do i buy 100 btc worth of labcoin shares? |
| 01:53 |
Vexual |
u want em b4 this thursady? |
| 01:54 |
VanCleef |
i just sold the parents house and asked them to be patient and live in their car for a year so i need them asap so i can buy them a better house soon |
| 01:55 |
Vexual |
youre a few tuesdays late |
| 01:55 |
Vexual |
that was over in 3 hours |
| 01:58 |
Vexual |
Did you double down or hit the triple for a nickel or not touch it cleef? |
| |
~ 33 minutes ~ |
| 02:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12195 @ 0.00091562 = 11.166 BTC [+] |
| 02:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00091568 = 13.3231 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 02:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02499993 = 0.125 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14495 @ 0.00091599 = 13.2773 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00091728 = 3.4903 BTC [+] |
| 03:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00091728 = 14.2178 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 03:45 |
Gotchawallet |
hpn |
| 03:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00091728 = 9.9984 BTC [+] |
| 03:51 |
VanCleef |
why are people throwing money away on mpoe? |
| 03:51 |
VanCleef |
13 - 14 btc jesus christ |
| 04:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.30000004 = 1.2 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 30 minutes ~ |
| 04:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15523 @ 0.00091827 = 14.2543 BTC [+] {3} |
| 04:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9069 @ 0.00009746 = 0.8839 BTC [-] |
| 04:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30989899 BTC [+] |
| 04:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0009197 = 8.5532 BTC [+] {3} |
| 05:11 |
kakobrekla |
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2013/12/23/isu-researcher-quits-amid-allegations-of-aids-research-fraud-involving-millions-of-federal-dollars/article?gcheck=1 |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 05:32 |
Duffer1 |
paywall |
| 05:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3814 @ 0.00091456 = 3.4881 BTC [-] |
| 05:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19542 @ 0.00091455 = 17.8721 BTC [-] {2} |
| 05:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5658 @ 0.00091392 = 5.171 BTC [-] |
| 05:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 732 @ 0.0009201 = 0.6735 BTC [+] |
| 05:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30668 @ 0.00092034 = 28.225 BTC [+] {2} |
| 06:03 |
VanCleef |
man who is wasting 28 btc's on that crap? |
| 06:03 |
VanCleef |
must be fake trades |
| 06:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00091392 = 3.1073 BTC [-] |
| 06:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.0225 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3} |
| 06:31 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: Guy should have scammed a boring disease |
| 06:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00211152 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {7} |
| 06:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Alopecia would have been a nice choice. People have been scamming that for ages. |
| 06:38 |
kakobrekla |
VanCleef : better get some cog |
| 06:48 |
Duffer1 |
"Outside of libertarian circles, it has become conventional wisdom that it is both natural and desirable for governments to monopolize the production and quantity of currency." |
| 06:48 |
Duffer1 |
^ a gem from the latest pundit http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-31/bitcoin-is-a-high-tech-dinosaur-soon-to-be-extinct.html |
| 06:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Duffer1: You see the dude's official portrait yet? |
| 06:51 |
Duffer1 |
no but i suspect he looks like badluckbrian |
| 06:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/31/mayor_bloomberg_s_official_portrait_revealed_mocked.html |
| 06:53 |
ozbot |
Mayor Bloomberg’s official portrait revealed, mocked |
| 06:53 |
Duffer1 |
oh bloomberg hehe |
| 06:58 |
Duffer1 |
he looks like what Bush Jr would look like if he was a jew |
| 07:02 |
VanCleef |
trying to get some labcoin atm |
| 07:10 |
Duffer1 |
"In fact, if you strip away its technological trappings -- the encryption, the peer-to-peer networks -- and Bitcoin closely resembles these earlier private efforts." |
| 07:10 |
Duffer1 |
This article is a goldmine |
| 07:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00092036 = 7.5009 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 33 minutes ~ |
| 07:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00091891 = 16.1728 BTC [-] |
| 07:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15901 @ 0.0009205 = 14.6369 BTC [+] {4} |
| 07:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00091551 = 10.4643 BTC [-] {2} |
| 07:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4070 @ 0.00091368 = 3.7187 BTC [-] {2} |
| 08:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.0009156 = 5.5961 BTC [+] |
| 08:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9738 @ 0.00091638 = 8.9237 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 08:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091358 = 12.6074 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 44 minutes ~ |
| 09:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.0009121 = 15.1865 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 09:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00091195 = 1.3679 BTC [-] |
| 09:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00091686 = 11.6817 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 34 minutes ~ |
| 10:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00091315 = 21.6417 BTC [-] {2} |
| 10:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00091749 = 5.8261 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 32 minutes ~ |
| 11:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00091195 = 4.195 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
| 11:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+] |
| 11:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0009123 = 7.5265 BTC [+] |
| 11:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+] |
| 11:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC |
| |
~ 59 minutes ~ |
| 12:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 770 @ 0.00048991 = 0.3772 BTC [+] {5} |
| 12:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00298787 = 1.4939 BTC [+] {4} |
| 12:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00091902 = 16.0829 BTC [+] {4} |
| 12:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08625 = 0.4313 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 42 minutes ~ |
| 13:32 |
Gotchawallet |
so what do you all think about that bloomberg article |
| 13:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9235 @ 0.00091942 = 8.4908 BTC [+] |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02399997 = 0.12 BTC [+] |
| 14:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00091789 = 4.1764 BTC [-] |
| 14:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00091707 = 4.0351 BTC [-] |
| 14:12 |
benkay |
kinda neglects the whole "democratic governments always evolve into control regimes and a major tool in the kit is currency" angle. |
| 14:12 |
benkay |
so typical usg propaganda. |
| 14:12 |
the20year1 |
If no one likes it , no one will use it |
| 14:12 |
the20year1 |
But trends are showing otherwise |
| 14:13 |
benkay |
it's not for using. |
| 14:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.30988397 = 4.3384 BTC [-] {3} |
| 14:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30999966 = 1.86 BTC [+] {2} |
| 14:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00091611 = 34.1709 BTC [-] {3} |
| 14:20 |
the20year1 |
? |
| 14:20 |
Positron_ |
The Blackberry buyout bet on BitBet has been mis-resolved. There will be no Blackberry takeover. http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/26/blackberry-co-founder-ends-takeover-bid-sells-off-shares/ |
| 14:26 |
kakobrekla |
;;later tell mircea_popescu <Positron_> The Blackberry buyout bet on BitBet has been mis-resolved. There will be no Blackberry takeover. http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/26/blackberry-co-founder-ends-takeover-bid-sells-off-shares/ |
| 14:26 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 14:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2139 @ 0.00091942 = 1.9666 BTC [+] |
| 14:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8061 @ 0.00091993 = 7.4156 BTC [+] {2} |
| 14:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13410 @ 0.00091997 = 12.3368 BTC [+] |
| 14:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3438 @ 0.00092242 = 3.1713 BTC [+] |
| 14:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 60000 @ 0.001 = 60 BTC |
| 14:34 |
benkay |
what blackberry bet? |
| 14:35 |
mike_c |
http://bitbet.us/bet/367/research-in-motion-rimm-will-be-acquired-in/ |
| 14:35 |
ozbot |
BitBet - Research In Motion (RIMM), will be acquired in 2013 |
| 14:36 |
Duffer1 |
Official announcement will be sufficient to close as Yes. |
| 14:37 |
benkay |
bitbet search is kinda limp |
| 14:37 |
mike_c |
you probably had the 'open' filter selected |
| 14:38 |
benkay |
defaults. those rarely considered user flow elements. |
| 14:38 |
mike_c |
Official announcement of acquisition is not the same as announcement of non-binding LOI. tough one to resolve, probably was a bad bet. |
| 14:39 |
benkay |
also searches aren't persistent |
| 14:39 |
benkay |
you broke my forwards button kakobrekla |
| 14:39 |
mike_c |
this jury of one would say to the losing bettors: you should have complained at the time and said it was only a LOI. |
| 14:39 |
Duffer1 |
ah good point |
| 14:40 |
Positron_ |
The takover deal was cancelled before the end of 2013. So the bet should resolve as no? |
| 14:40 |
the20year1 |
what exchanges do you guys favor the most? |
| 14:40 |
mike_c |
glbse |
| 14:40 |
Duffer1 |
currency or securities? |
| 14:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31099 BTC [+] |
| 14:41 |
the20year1 |
securities |
| 14:41 |
mike_c |
don't you get the same answer every time you ask that here? :) |
| 14:41 |
Duffer1 |
:P |
| 14:42 |
the20year1 |
Usually it's havelock but have been hearing good things about cryptostocks |
| 14:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21208 @ 0.00091407 = 19.3856 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:42 |
Duffer1 |
:((((((((((( |
| 14:42 |
mike_c |
not in this channel. |
| 14:42 |
Duffer1 |
cryptostocks listed labcoin even after they were confirmed as a scam |
| 14:44 |
Duffer1 |
cryptostocks is a 'good' exchange in the same way 6th street in Austin is a 'good' place to buy drugs |
| 14:44 |
Duffer1 |
you might get drugs, or you might get raped |
| 14:44 |
the20year1 |
And you all trade on mpex? |
| 14:47 |
benkay |
some of us |
| 14:48 |
benkay |
some trade on havelock or cryptostocks, thinking the fee too steep for our liking and unwilling to pay jurov for the privilege of using his keys. |
| 14:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00091286 = 10.8174 BTC [-] |
| 14:50 |
benkay |
the20year1: look at average trade size on various exchanges. |
| 14:50 |
benkay |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393593.msg4256680#msg4256680 |
| 14:50 |
benkay |
guy gets scammed, has 'i now do bitcoin consultancy' in sig |
| |
~ 39 minutes ~ |
| 15:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00091195 = 9.6211 BTC [-] |
| 15:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00091195 = 2.4167 BTC [-] |
| 15:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00091182 = 14.8171 BTC [-] |
| 15:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00091108 = 24.3258 BTC [-] {3} |
| 15:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00091258 = 13.5518 BTC [+] |
| 16:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [+] |
| 16:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21733 @ 0.00091015 = 19.7803 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 16:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-] |
| 16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.0009105 = 17.8458 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.300101 = 1.2004 BTC [-] |
| 16:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-] |
| 16:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.29793486 = 13.705 BTC [-] {6} |
| 16:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.28188889 = 2.537 BTC [-] {3} |
| 16:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.280975 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11278 @ 0.00091009 = 10.264 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-] |
| 16:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1603 @ 0.00091282 = 1.4633 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:08 |
benkay |
gpg key expiry. how does it work? |
| 17:08 |
Duffer1 |
;;gpg key expiry |
| 17:08 |
gribble |
Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "key" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin. |
| 17:08 |
Duffer1 |
;;google gpg key expiry |
| 17:08 |
gribble |
How to change the expiration date of a GPG key | G-Loaded Journal: <http://www.g-loaded.eu/2010/11/01/change-expiration-date-gpg-key/>; edit-key - GnuPG: <http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html>; what happens when a key expires? - GPGTools Support: <http://support.gpgtools.org/discussions/everything/10012-what-happens-when-a-key-expires> |
| 17:09 |
benkay |
oh, i know how to do it. i don't know how it works. |
| 17:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.0225 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:16 |
pankkake |
what do you mean, works? it's a date field |
| 17:20 |
Apocalyptic |
pankkake, he thought it was somehow enforced in the signing/encrypting process I guess |
| 17:20 |
Apocalyptic |
though it doesn't make much sense to consider it |
| 17:21 |
pankkake |
perhaps GPG gives you a warning. but it's not like you can really enforce dates |
| 17:21 |
pankkake |
well, a bitcoin-like blockchain can be used to enforce dates |
| 17:21 |
benkay |
what about on the signature verification side? if i change my key expiry, how will that show up in my signed messages? |
| 17:21 |
Apocalyptic |
it won't |
| 17:28 |
benkay |
mpex is still using A57D509A? |
| 17:32 |
benkay |
looks like it... |
| 17:34 |
benkay |
so naive gpg won't use an expired subkey |
| 17:47 |
the20year |
Take a look at this if possible and let me know if it's clear enough - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z-6ppuDBSnWkfe736URe_2pJA3lNGXgf_6k-occcU2w/edit |
| 17:50 |
Duffer1 |
6% is incredibly unattractive |
| 17:52 |
Duffer1 |
also: "Public bond HHHHHHolder list.." |
| 17:52 |
Duffer1 |
otherwise seems pretty straight forward "you're going to lose money on this deal if you invest" |
| 17:53 |
pankkake |
I don't see the issue with the 6% - and keep in mind it's an USD bond |
| 17:54 |
pankkake |
but you basically address bitcoiners who want to sell, or outsiders, but why use bitcoin then? |
| 17:55 |
pankkake |
unless doing this kind of thing with fiat is forbidden (or hard) |
| 17:59 |
truffles |
hey pankkake, did u have a merry xmas? |
| 17:59 |
pankkake |
it was nice, what about you? |
| 17:59 |
truffles |
meh |
| 18:00 |
truffles |
i lived |
| 18:00 |
truffles |
new year new beginnings! |
| 18:01 |
pankkake |
let's hope so |
| 18:02 |
truffles |
bitcoin survived 2013 heh |
| 18:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.022 = 0.22 BTC [-] {3} |
| 18:04 |
the20year |
It would be moved to an exchange at some short point in teh future |
| 18:05 |
the20year |
You'll loose BTC if you invest and the value of BTC increases relative to USD |
| 18:05 |
the20year |
If said value goes down, you'll do quite well, at any rate you'll make interest in USD |
| 18:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00092198 = 15.5354 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:06 |
Duffer1 |
i hear you man, i like what you're doing as a startup |
| 18:07 |
benkay |
it's not a startup yo it's an REIT. |
| 18:07 |
Duffer1 |
but btc swings 6% a day easy |
| 18:07 |
Duffer1 |
ah right, wrong word |
| 18:07 |
the20year |
And hopefully the swings would average out |
| 18:11 |
the20year |
But, that's a risk, the alternative is holding on to bitcoins hopefully appreciating in value over time |
| 18:12 |
Duffer1 |
http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ |
| 18:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00092248 = 16.4201 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:13 |
pankkake |
but you wouldn't invest all your fortune in bitcoin - this seems like a nice fiat investment |
| 18:13 |
pankkake |
not a get rich quick one, so again, I wonder where you're going to get btc people to invest :p |
| 18:14 |
Duffer1 |
my fiat is in bitcoin |
| 18:14 |
Duffer1 |
well was :P |
| 18:15 |
the20year |
Ukto and graet got $250k-$350k worth of bitcoins on their 12% loans |
| 18:15 |
the20year |
and anyone that paid attention realized they were cashing out to USD, and could never repay the BTC value |
| 18:15 |
pankkake |
no arguing about that. that was stupid |
| 18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the20year you're not ukto and certainly not graet. |
| 18:15 |
the20year |
So, my question is whether or not I can attract people wanting a reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
in people can get financed for any stupidity they wish to do. out people can not, no matter anything. |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the practical solutions are either to be upset or to strive to in yourself. |
| 18:16 |
pankkake |
"reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment" => well, many people want that. but they are not bitcoiners :p |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
either can take a lifetime easily, either may just as well not deliver in the end. |
| 18:18 |
the20year |
Yeah, that's my concern pankkake |
| 18:18 |
pankkake |
so, why would people use bitcoins, and not fiat directly? |
| 18:19 |
the20year |
Bitcoin marketplace is so hot and easy to access, fiat is much more difficult for me |
| 18:19 |
the20year |
My cost to IPO via bitfunder and get ~$100k of investment was $500 |
| 18:19 |
the20year |
To take any investment in person from investors the traditiional way, i'd of spent $20k |
| 18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
mkay, good enough. |
| 18:20 |
pankkake |
i agree |
| 18:20 |
pankkake |
though you now have the "unregistered security" added risk |
| 18:20 |
the20year |
Even now , if I wanted to be mr legal eagle, I Could use said investment funds to pay for a PPM and get those same fiat investors, and my personal contribution to the whole ordeal is $500 |
| 18:21 |
the20year |
Not exactly, part of our seed money was to hire a lawyer that knew what he was doing. Sure, we're on slightly risky legal ground, but he already has placed some options available should the SEC call us |
| 18:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00092376 = 6.7434 BTC [+] |
| 18:22 |
pankkake |
I guess it also allows someone with mainly non-USD fiat to easily invest, too |
| 18:22 |
the20year |
Correct, and i'd venture to say before the BF troubles, 95%+ of our investors were outside the US , in risky countries that have a hard time investing |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Subject: #Notice of appearance in court Order 8389 |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
From: "Notice to Appear" <support_888@bakerbotts.com> |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
spammers are getting daring these days |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"Hereby you are informed that you are due in the court of Houston on the 14 of January, 2014 at 10:00 am for the hearing of your case." |
| 18:25 |
Duffer1 |
sounds like an accurate "come visit Houston" commercial |
| 18:27 |
Duffer1 |
that's advertising, not spam |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
right, except it attaches the same dumbass windows-only zip file that's been hitting all the honeypots this past coupla months |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
some kid with a coupla grand decided he's gonna get himself rich online |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
with nothing but faith and this here old pair of underwear. |
| 18:29 |
Duffer1 |
that's travel itinerary |
| 18:29 |
truffles |
everyone with charm should have a crack at fiat :d |
| 18:29 |
Duffer1 |
it totally won't steal your wallet or anything |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm with truffles (0.0) in that yeah |
| 18:30 |
truffles |
everyone isnt charming though, its a skill imo |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 18:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.000094 = 1.88 BTC [+] |
| 18:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00306 = 0.6885 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 19:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 250 @ 0.003 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3} |
| 19:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0491 = 0.982 BTC [-] |
| 19:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-] |
| 19:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12966 @ 0.00092332 = 11.9718 BTC [-] |
| 19:27 |
FabianB |
lol https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/290 |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
herp |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 19:32 |
FabianB |
hehe |
| 19:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6961 @ 0.00092376 = 6.4303 BTC [+] |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
if indeed gavin's key accidentally expires with no back-ups... |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
seems pretty much where bitcoin is destined to go, really. |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
but for the benefit of all the noobies/forumers/etc that may get to read this : notice dear chitlins how it was the WoT that broke that request ? |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
meditate on this point. |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i like your new colors. |
| 19:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04901434 = 1.0293 BTC [-] {4} |
| 19:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00092219 = 10.1441 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13824 @ 0.00091678 = 12.6736 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090968 = 9.0968 BTC [-] |
| 20:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC |
| 20:04 |
ArsKisS |
hmm |
| 20:04 |
ArsKisS |
that ipo might even sell |
| 20:05 |
VanCleef |
nah |
| 20:05 |
ArsKisS |
153k left |
| 20:05 |
ArsKisS |
anyway, I keep my money waiting for the drop :P |
| 20:06 |
VanCleef |
ya |
| 20:07 |
ArsKisS |
funny how so many ipos are so overvaluated |
| 20:07 |
ArsKisS |
Cannabit for teh lulz :D |
| 20:08 |
VanCleef |
well, when pulling off a bitcoin scam you gotta tkae as many coins as you can |
| 20:08 |
ArsKisS |
well.. scam is a bit rough word |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
in general ipos tend to be overvalued because people suffer from a "money on the table" issue. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
such as, if my "company" may live 10 years and be worth 10 btc, then i'll be damned if i sell for less than 10 btc today |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
notwithstanding that no company to date lived 10 years. |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
and notwithstanding that the only ipo to date to make the owner actually rich (ie, mpoe) actually listed at two degrees of magnitude less than what it sells for. |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
this compounded of course by the fact that there's very few people with any sort of experience or ability in the field of bitcoin finance, and plenty of muppet venues available. |
| 20:14 |
VanCleef |
no bitcoin company is going ot last 10 years lol |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
wanna bet ? |
| 20:15 |
VanCleef |
yeah but lets not use bitbet its totally shit |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, so what are we using ? |
| 20:16 |
pankkake |
define "last" |
| 20:17 |
VanCleef |
i'm not locking away btc for 10years on a bet |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
why not ? from experience, the people who did best in btc are those who locked it away. |
| 20:18 |
VanCleef |
you'll probably be in jail or dead by then |
| 20:18 |
VanCleef |
how will i get paid? |
| 20:19 |
ArsKisS |
VanCleef, you actually wanna bet that none of bitcoin companies will live for 10 years? |
| 20:19 |
pankkake |
what if mpex is still online, but no one uses it? does that count? |
| 20:20 |
VanCleef |
no it doesn't count |
| 20:20 |
VanCleef |
noone is using it now |
| 20:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3532 @ 0.0009147 = 3.2307 BTC [+] |
| 20:20 |
pankkake |
well |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
derp lol |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
i take your meaning tho, you will be in jail or dead within the decade, therefore the world doesn't exist and doesn't matter. |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
thanks for making it easy and everything. |
| 20:22 |
VanCleef |
lol |
| 20:22 |
pankkake |
do you have an exit plan to somalia? |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
getting back to the original point, if no company is making it for 10 years then no company has any business listing. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
just like if nobody is actually cooking anything as complex as a pizza there's no need for italian pizza ovens |
| 20:24 |
VanCleef |
all the ones that are listed now wont be around in 10 years |
| 20:25 |
VanCleef |
mostly talking about havelock here |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
VanCleef inasmuch as you limit the statement to "those venues all the forum idiots use", then you're prtobably right. |
| 20:25 |
VanCleef |
those too |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
tho statistically there's probably going to be one or two unlikely exceptions |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
that'll look totally obvious in retrospect |
| 20:25 |
VanCleef |
10 years is a very long time in bitcoin world |
| 20:25 |
VanCleef |
that's like 100 years |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
only because "bitcoin world" as understood by muppets strictly consists of muppets, who have no intellectual ability to speak of, which limits their cognitive bubble rather severely. |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
but that aside, i know plenty of people with a decade or multi-decade outlook |
| 20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
course they're not "in" bitcoin according to... whatever, reddit. |
| 20:27 |
VanCleef |
do you mind naming one? |
| 20:27 |
VanCleef |
if its okey to share |
| 20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. take casares. or take vorhees. |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
plenty more people you should know about as they're public, caldwell, the russian pirate bet guy, |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i won't name teh private, obviously, but i don't need to for this point either. |
| 20:29 |
VanCleef |
hmmm casares and vorhees hey, i'll have a look |
| 20:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00090968 = 8.0962 BTC [-] |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
.d |
| 20:40 |
ozbot |
1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 2012 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.0600% in 11d 3h 52m 13s |
| 20:40 |
pankkake |
someone got miners for christmas |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
seems so |
| 20:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1418481395/118092319 |
| 20:42 |
gribble |
12.0116312984 |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
wat |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1418481395/1180923195 |
| 20:42 |
gribble |
1.20116312475 |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1418481395 * 1.20116312475**2 |
| 20:43 |
gribble |
2046574817.77 |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ha! |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ |
| 20:43 |
ozbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
3.5:1 by now |
| 20:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00091015 = 15.1995 BTC [+] |
| 20:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 779 @ 0.0030002 = 2.3372 BTC [-] {8} |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
needs no more than 18.7% twice |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
or a 20 and a 17.49 |
| 20:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3099998 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 21:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7771 @ 0.0009147 = 7.1081 BTC [+] |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ha! "people claim diamonds are forever, yet they're an absolute scam. the same people claim bitcoin is a scam, but really... bitcoin is forever." |
| 21:19 |
kakobreklaa |
ah people, last one you want to ask when you want to know about something, is people |
| 21:19 |
kakobreklaa |
here they say, you are "as hardworking as an ant" |
| 21:20 |
kakobreklaa |
yet they do not know 50% of ant workers pretend to be working their whole life |
| 21:20 |
the20year1 |
and bitcoins that are lost? |
| 21:21 |
the20year1 |
in unrecoverable wallets? |
| 21:21 |
kakobreklaa |
you cant proove its unrecoverable |
| 21:22 |
pankkake |
so ants are like humans? |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it really makes very little difference whether anyone can or can't use the bitcoins. |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
they're there alright. |
| 21:22 |
kakobreklaa |
no i dont think ants are as humans, just humans are dumb |
| 21:22 |
pankkake |
in the sense that they pretend to be working |
| 21:22 |
kakobreklaa |
the ratio on htat with humans is prolly higher |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not really dumb, for the ants. they didn't ask to be hatched there. |
| 21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem with humans is that they ASK to join whatever shit they then don't help with |
| 21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone applied & interviewed for the job they aren't doing. |
| 21:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.00091617 = 5.6931 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:24 |
the20year1 |
Technically they're recoverable through brute force, however the resources to do that are immense |
| 21:25 |
truffles |
santa where are my presents! |
| 21:27 |
kakobreklaa |
the20year but that goes true for lost and non lost coins |
| 21:27 |
truffles |
kako :( |
| 21:27 |
kakobreklaa |
what i didnt take your presents. |
| 21:28 |
truffles |
ure supposed to hand them out though |
| 21:28 |
kakobreklaa |
well, wheres the bag, wheres the list? |
| 21:28 |
kakobreklaa |
ahhh here is the list, tiber takes the top of naughy boys |
| 21:29 |
truffles |
is he the only person u banned? |
| 21:29 |
kakobreklaa |
dunno |
| 21:29 |
kakobreklaa |
prolly not |
| 21:29 |
the20year1 |
Any other clairifcation needed on the rentalstarter bond? |
| 21:29 |
truffles |
whyd u do it! |
| 21:29 |
kakobreklaa |
bribes |
| 21:30 |
truffles |
it could be ur good act for 2014, bring back tiber! |
| 21:30 |
truffles |
(forgot the spelling) |
| 21:30 |
kakobreklaa |
ok, guys, lets vote, type 1 for tib unban, or type 2 for truffles ban |
| 21:31 |
truffles |
nooo |
| 21:31 |
truffles |
evil |
| 21:31 |
kakobreklaa |
you gotta balance it somehow ya know |
| 21:31 |
truffles |
1 |
| 21:32 |
truffles |
clearly the only active around :D |
| 21:32 |
assbot |
2 |
| 21:32 |
truffles |
omg |
| 21:32 |
truffles |
shortcuts |
| 21:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00298988 = 1.4949 BTC [+] {5} |
| 21:36 |
benkay |
both! |
| 21:37 |
truffles |
there goes that hater |
| 21:37 |
benkay |
i maintain my own ignore file tho so it's not as if a t-ban's going to improve my life noticeably. |
| 21:38 |
benkay |
tiberius was amazing! |
| 21:38 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 21:38 |
benkay |
amazing troll. |
| 21:38 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 21:38 |
benkay |
shut up, assbot. |
| 21:38 |
Gotchawallet |
kakobreklaa thats a hard decision |
| 21:38 |
truffles |
to ignore is to show preference though |
| 21:38 |
truffles |
i have none .. |
| 21:39 |
truffles |
lets be a happy #assets |
| 21:39 |
Gotchawallet |
almost inclined to press 2 so i will not press either because pressing 1 would mean hell |
| 21:39 |
Gotchawallet |
is there a 0? |
| 21:39 |
truffles |
:( |
| 21:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC |
| 21:44 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
dont worry truffles it'll be okay.. |
| 21:45 |
truffles |
i know i managed to survive these many years without #assets, dunno how i did |
| 21:47 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
because you aren't a muppet i guess..they're easily spotted here. |
| 21:47 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
at times I may have shown I've been uninformed (ignorant) but my intelligence pulls me through =D |
| 21:47 |
truffles |
ha |
| 21:48 |
truffles |
there is lotta that everywhere |
| 21:49 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
its like information overload..i'm having trouble digesting so much news and information sometimes. hard to keep up with and exhausting. i'm afraid i might miss something so i work real hard at it. the world moves pretty fast. |
| 21:49 |
truffles |
it does |
| 21:49 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
i started smoking these e-cigs (vaporizors) this one is english toffee. i like it so far |
| 21:50 |
truffles |
trolls prob would help u with filtering, putting them on ignore discourages this skill |
| 21:51 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
yea they do help, anything that floats to the top of their froth seems to be worth looking at for a final decision as to whether its worth my time or not |
| 21:52 |
truffles |
sometimes some really smart ppl r so closed-minded or narrow minded and it kinda surprises me too much |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
<KRS|Gotyawallet> its like information overload. << try reading tvtropes sometime |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
my brain is still singed from the last binge |
| 21:55 |
Duffer1 |
http://i.imgur.com/psu515W.gif |
| 21:55 |
Duffer1 |
yes it's a cat gif |
| 21:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 22:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.75438420 BTC to 14`404 shares, 81605 satoshi per share |
| 22:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 2.57234125 BTC to 331`915 shares, 775 satoshi per share |
| 22:03 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
Tropes Are Tools, not clichés. - this will help me take a more critical approach to media |
| 22:04 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
thanks- looking more into this |
| 22:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.0029899 = 0.9568 BTC [+] |
| 22:07 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
yeah truffles you are right about that, i'm not sure what to make of it myself |
| 22:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00090974 = 13.4642 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:08 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
could be a number of different reasons, imo most of the time it has something to do with their personality type |
| 22:08 |
truffles |
easy example, can an intelligent person be racist? |
| 22:10 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
probably |
| 22:10 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
i dont see why not |
| 22:11 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
i saw something on bitcoin tonight on tv- it was amazingly positive- its one of those off-brand "news" broadcasts. I shall see if I can find it. |
| 22:11 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
truffles intelligent persons have in fact been racist historically. |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
that resolves your q. |
| 22:13 |
truffles |
but were they doing so cuz they felt it or cuz of actual goals |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
there's nothing intrinsic to intelligence that prevents racism (as you define it) nor is there in fact anything wrong with racism in principle |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
any more than there's anything wrong with cheese. |
| 22:14 |
truffles |
i see something wrong with it, but less so if its a means to an end |
| 22:14 |
pankkake |
less so? as in, if racism justifies slavery it's better than racism alone? |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
yes well. cheese is a particular way to process milk. racism is a particular way to process difference. |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
either can be eminently inadequate for a certain purpose or in a given circumstance |
| 22:15 |
truffles |
thats where we have prejudice |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but outside of the agent, his purpose and his circumstances, they're just that, cheese. |
| 22:15 |
truffles |
pankkake not necessarily that |
| 22:15 |
VanCleef |
i'm cool with racism as long as we can be homophobic too |
| 22:15 |
VanCleef |
do you hate gays mircea? |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
VanCleef notrly |
| 22:16 |
VanCleef |
ew |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, to make the joke : "i don't hate sick people" |
| 22:16 |
kakobrekla |
bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4264071#msg4264071 |
| 22:16 |
kakobrekla |
fuukin http missing stupid browser |
| 22:16 |
VanCleef |
i dont like them because they are commiting crimes against nature |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla everything is better witha smaller ammount of http |
| 22:16 |
pankkake |
kakobrekla: using Nooble Chrome? :| |
| 22:16 |
truffles |
hate is a strong word u know |
| 22:17 |
kakobrekla |
pankkake opera |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : with internet kid at plastics factory. kid notices large HTPP spelled out somewhere, decides they've misspelled http |
| 22:17 |
kakobrekla |
they decided to remove the option to show full url tards. |
| 22:17 |
truffles |
i started using opera to get away from firefox, it required too much ! |
| 22:18 |
truffles |
or rather lacking too much |
| 22:20 |
pankkake |
wow, even Opera is removing options now? |
| 22:20 |
kakobrekla |
yes i will stop using it prolly |
| 22:21 |
kakobrekla |
they made it for retard users |
| 22:21 |
pankkake |
the Chrome devs refuse to put an option, and close any bug on the subject without discussion |
| 22:21 |
kakobrekla |
you know what is the reasoning for that option removal |
| 22:21 |
kakobrekla |
"http or https is too techical for people" |
| 22:22 |
pankkake |
it's a fucking option, put it behind an "Avanced do not go there" |
| 22:22 |
pankkake |
put it in about:config! oh, wait |
| 22:22 |
kakobrekla |
yeah, first place i searched |
| 22:22 |
kakobrekla |
but no cigar |
| 22:22 |
pankkake |
oh opera has about:config? :) |
| 22:22 |
kakobrekla |
its opera:config |
| 22:22 |
kakobrekla |
an opera:about |
| 22:23 |
kakobrekla |
and |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
so use 7.5 or w/e |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
not like you have to use their most recent brainfuck, or there's any incentive to do so |
| 22:23 |
pankkake |
security fixes |
| 22:23 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
cant find it but..did you guys see this http://pro.moneymappress.com/NVXBITCOIN49/WNVXPC41/ |
| 22:23 |
kakobrekla |
i would have to go way back to get a non sucky version |
| 22:24 |
kakobrekla |
which now sucks in other ways. |
| 22:24 |
the20year1 |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395221.0 |
| 22:24 |
ozbot |
[Direct] Rentalstarter-Bond - Paying WEEKLY interest |
| 22:24 |
the20year1 |
There's our thread on bitcoin talk |
| 22:24 |
kakobrekla |
also i thought their integration of webkit is going to save them |
| 22:24 |
kakobrekla |
its looking rather bleek so far |
| 22:24 |
kakobrekla |
which makes kako unhappy. |
| 22:25 |
pankkake |
KRS|Gotyawallet: lol the investor comments on the bottom look so like the ones of scams |
| 22:25 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
yeah the video is moving |
| 22:26 |
pankkake |
why the fuck are they using edison |
| 22:26 |
pankkake |
what the fuck is this |
| 22:26 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
probably because its based on electric and not paper |
| 22:26 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
they dont want to put the name 'bitcoin' out there right away because it seems they are offering investment plans on how to invest in it |
| 22:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8958 @ 0.00090955 = 8.1477 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:27 |
pankkake |
brb starting EdisonCoin |
| 22:28 |
pankkake |
and its silver to gold TeslaCoin |
| 22:28 |
kakobrekla |
make it AC and DC |
| 22:28 |
the20year1 |
i'm still considering a realestate coin |
| 22:28 |
kakobrekla |
just go use ripple or something rather! |
| 22:29 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.frontiersinzoology.com/content/10/1/80/abstract |
| 22:29 |
ozbot |
Frontiers in Zoology | Abstract | Dogs are sensitive to small variations of the Earth's magnetic fie |
| 22:29 |
kakobrekla |
Dogs preferred to excrete with the body being aligned along the North-south axis under calm MF conditions. |
| 22:29 |
kakobrekla |
fyi. |
| 22:30 |
Duffer1 |
oh cool |
| 22:30 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
folks within the FED are probably starting to poop their pants a little on the liquid side 1Q14 |
| 22:30 |
Duffer1 |
so do i actually |
| 22:30 |
Duffer1 |
you know.. just to make it weird |
| 22:31 |
the20year1 |
KRS|Gotyawallet: what do you mean? |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
if there's anyone left with a working brain over there |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno... cognitive dissonance kills brain cells |
| 22:31 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
I don't think the FED has ever been under so much attack as this day and age |
| 22:32 |
the20year1 |
Since induction? I'd agree wholeheartedly |
| 22:32 |
the20year1 |
People want competetion, competetion brings innovation |
| 22:32 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
thinking everything up until now, but with the addition of digital currency |
| 22:33 |
the20year1 |
Digital currency is the bigges threat because it's so easy to do, compared to physical stuff |
| 22:33 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
Libertarians, competing foreign currency, digital currency |
| 22:33 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
Inflation |
| 22:34 |
the20year1 |
Yeah |
| 22:34 |
the20year1 |
granted the late 70s weren't too easy on inflation |
| 22:34 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
that was bad |
| 22:34 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
that+oil crisis was bad |
| 22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah |
| 22:36 |
the20year1 |
10%+ inflation |
| 22:36 |
the20year1 |
But alot of people made out like bandits. My grandparents got 5-10 year CD locks at 15%+ interest |
| 22:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 769 @ 0.00091099 = 0.7006 BTC [+] |
| 22:37 |
kakobrekla |
ok im ipoing doge compass |
| 22:37 |
kakobrekla |
buy before too late |
| 22:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.31365068 = 14.7416 BTC [+] {10} |
| 22:39 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
makes me wonder how my parents did so well..even considering the high unemployment of the early-mid 80's |
| 22:39 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
our generation is now, our generation is virtual currency |
| 22:40 |
the20year1 |
most of the people i know who were adults during the 80s did extraordinarily well |
| 22:41 |
the20year1 |
Significantly lower cost of living, easier time getting a job |
| 22:41 |
the20year1 |
Locally, a typical waitress could go out, and buy a lower end house with a FHA mortgage for her median income, alone |
| 22:41 |
Duffer1 |
your college degree was actually worth something.. |
| 22:41 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
i think early 80's unemplyment in the US was near 14% |
| 22:41 |
the20year1 |
That too |
| 22:41 |
benkay |
and it's not there now?! |
| 22:42 |
the20year1 |
According to BLS it isn't |
| 22:42 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
Dyffer1 good point- i was shocked after going to college to see just how worthless a degree was..i felt like i wasted my time, but I'm happy to have been educated. |
| 22:42 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
bekay I think its near 8% |
| 22:42 |
the20year1 |
1983 it was 10.4% |
| 22:42 |
benkay |
dat good old "labor participation" fudge factor |
| 22:42 |
benkay |
you guys eat these government employment statistics up wholly credulously |
| 22:42 |
benkay |
amazing |
| 22:42 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 22:42 |
the20year1 |
laborparticipation is the one standard that hasn't been changed since the 80s |
| 22:43 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
benkay where else can one go for those stats? |
| 22:43 |
the20year1 |
unemployment I believe has been changed twice |
| 22:43 |
Duffer1 |
they stop counting those that stop looking (are forced off benefits) |
| 22:43 |
the20year1 |
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 |
| 22:43 |
ozbot |
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data |
| 22:43 |
benkay |
dig into the conspiracy theory areas yourself |
| 22:43 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
the20year1- thanks but see what benkay said |
| 22:44 |
benkay |
there are some slim pickings of useful information out there. |
| 22:44 |
the20year1 |
so what statistics do you believe benkay? |
| 22:44 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
he might be right but i have no comment beyond that |
| 22:45 |
Duffer1 |
i define unemployment as any mode below personal sustainability |
| 22:45 |
Duffer1 |
which would include under-employed |
| 22:46 |
truffles |
below personal sustainability? |
| 22:46 |
benkay |
the whole notion is fucked. there's a generation out there laboring at fast food operations under a few tens of thousands of dollars of debt undertaken for useless degrees. |
| 22:46 |
benkay |
but hey they're 'employed' |
| 22:46 |
benkay |
it's like counting labor camps in the employment numbers |
| 22:47 |
truffles |
everyone cant get that nice office job like u benkay |
| 22:47 |
Duffer1 |
truffles an amount that can sustain you without forced reliance on a welfare system |
| 22:47 |
truffles |
hmmm |
| 22:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04900001 = 0.245 BTC [-] |
| 22:48 |
the20year1 |
the thing is , there are tons of great jobs out there that don't require college degrees |
| 22:48 |
the20year1 |
I know two guys that have told me more than once, if I wanted to weld/tend oil lines i could start off making $60k-$70k a year |
| 22:48 |
benkay |
and zero americans electing to not get degrees. |
| 22:48 |
truffles |
via nepotism? |
| 22:48 |
the20year1 |
they have dozens of jobs available, no one wants them |
| 22:48 |
benkay |
precisely. over educated and unwilling to work manual jobs. |
| 22:49 |
the20year1 |
Within 5 years I'd be making over $100k/yr, if I kept with it |
| 22:49 |
truffles |
tend oil lines |
| 22:49 |
the20year1 |
One is a line manager for one of the largest power co-ops in the US, he can't keep anyone |
| 22:49 |
benkay |
yeah man if you like putting your hands on the line every time you go to work |
| 22:49 |
the20year1 |
even at $25/hr starting pay |
| 22:49 |
truffles |
like thats some pretty job omg |
| 22:49 |
the20year1 |
O |
| 22:49 |
benkay |
i got out of the atom-smashing business a while ago |
| 22:49 |
benkay |
plus you can't smoke pot |
| 22:49 |
the20year1 |
Trans-state oil lines that run underground, you go from station to station checking readings, making sure lines are being maintained and built |
| 22:50 |
benkay |
modern hippies would rather not work than take a job that keeps them off the reefer |
| 22:50 |
kakobrekla |
having a job is so nineties |
| 22:50 |
the20year1 |
correct |
| 22:50 |
truffles |
benkay and the20year1 must be trollin now |
| 22:51 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
cant tell which is the troll |
| 22:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.000094 = 0.235 BTC [+] |
| 22:51 |
the20year1 |
My contractor says the same thing, no one wants to work, he approached a half dozen guys who keep complaining about there being no jobs in town. Offered $15/hr starting pay, none would do it |
| 22:51 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
haha |
| 22:51 |
truffles |
what town? |
| 22:51 |
truffles |
this is like unheard of |
| 22:51 |
the20year1 |
Central Ohio, about 20mi south of Columbus |
| 22:52 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
that old guy with the spikey white hair has been spotted on the interwebz, sometime during this christmas holiday http://forums.newart.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=145319&mode=view |
| 22:52 |
truffles |
its not detroit at least :D |
| 22:52 |
the20year1 |
7.5% unemployment rate, according to bls |
| 22:52 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
is that benkay's bls statistic though |
| 22:53 |
truffles |
so these jobs that no one wants are only available in Ohio? |
| 22:53 |
the20year1 |
I doubt it, the gas line I mentioned runs from colorado to PA |
| 22:53 |
the20year1 |
and each state needs workers |
| 22:54 |
the20year1 |
Most of the skilled trades are dying for workers |
| 22:54 |
the20year1 |
HVAC, plumbing, electrical, auto repair |
| 22:55 |
the20year1 |
Our median individual income is around $28k/yr , the median plumber rate is $80/hr |
| 22:55 |
pankkake |
KRS|Gotyawallet: anyone opening that link at work just lost their jobs. congratulations! |
| 22:55 |
truffles |
so ure talking about skilled labor not the jobs that random joes can get |
| 22:56 |
the20year1 |
The ones that take 6-12 months of on the job training before you have somewhat reasonable skill and can go under a contractor, a few years there and you can write your own ticket |
| 22:56 |
benkay |
.bait |
| 22:56 |
ozbot |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/4bd1a5d0e8901c9bf4cbaa925a8fa8c5/tumblr_msy4w3CXHQ1qm2q0lo1_1280.jpg |
| 22:56 |
benkay |
pankkake: same with anyone opening that link. what of it? |
| 22:57 |
the20year1 |
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645614772115336&set=a.151342491542569.29994.116999698310182&type=1&theater&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FMichigan%2Fcomments%2F1kwx6m%2Fmike_rowe_takes_verbal_jackhammer_to_michigan%2F&_rdr |
| 22:57 |
ozbot |
Timeline Photos |
| 22:57 |
benkay |
maybe they should get a job as a welder |
| 22:57 |
the20year1 |
There's a pretty good bit of information on the problem from mike rowe |
| 22:57 |
the20year1 |
Around here, if you're a decently skilled welder the rates are ~$100/hr |
| 22:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00091099 = 2.1864 BTC [+] |
| 22:59 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
wow rly lol |
| 22:59 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
most welders don't only weld they are also fabricators and that is why |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
KRS|Gotyawallet> bekay I think its near 8% << depends how you count it |
| 23:00 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
f'n-a i didnt know about the .bait command |
| 23:00 |
the20year1 |
There's a huge percieved difference between jobs, so much so that people are willing a 50% pay cut for something that they percieve as a good job |
| 23:00 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
me and ozbot need to get a separate room..bbl |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
8% of the people actively looking for a job can't find one. 30% or so of the people who could work do not |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
part of them through being homeless/bums. part through pretending to be sick. |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
plenty through simply staying off the books |
| 23:01 |
the20year1 |
For instance, a good friend of mine owned about a dozen subways (Sub shops), and they paid about $8/hr starting wage, work there for a year and you're up to $12 a hour if you don't make management (most do by that point) and you're up to $14 |
| 23:01 |
the20year1 |
no education, 401k, pretty decent work overall |
| 23:02 |
the20year1 |
They continue to take polls and check data, and every single time workers were asked, they were all willing to quit and change their job to work at a bank for minimum wage, just because of the percieved class difference between fast food and working at a bank |
| 23:05 |
truffles |
who are they polling? |
| 23:06 |
the20year1 |
His employees |
| 23:06 |
truffles |
sample size? |
| 23:06 |
the20year1 |
and he had quite a bit of statistics from various employment firms, since most fast food workers were so transient |
| 23:06 |
the20year1 |
hundreds |
| 23:07 |
truffles |
that is crazy to me |
| 23:08 |
truffles |
the list of questions id have to ask is too much to resolve this in my mind, so ill end here :D |
| 23:11 |
the20year1 |
He's always interesting to talk to, asside from owning a dozen or so subways, the company he ran had gross sales of $30m-$40m a year |
| 23:11 |
kakobrekla |
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4259859#msg4259859 |
| 23:11 |
ozbot |
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| 23:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0491 = 0.491 BTC [+] |
| 23:12 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
i tried kraken i hated it |
| 23:13 |
Duffer1 |
brb mpsex.com |
| 23:13 |
Duffer1 |
.co |
| 23:13 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
speaking of, is /dtng ever going back online |
| 23:15 |
kakobrekla |
whys taht KRS|Gotyawallet |
| 23:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00091144 = 5.1041 BTC [+] |
| 23:23 |
pankkake |
http://www.infowars.com/global-warming-scientists-still-trapped-in-record-level-antarctic-ice/ |
| 23:23 |
ozbot |
» Global Warming Scientists Still Trapped In Record-Level Antarctic Ice Alex Jones' Infowars: Ther |
| 23:25 |
kakobrekla |
you link infowars, im starting to belive gw is real |
| 23:26 |
pankkake |
my source is French, then googled the first stuff I could find. what's infowars? |
| 23:26 |
Duffer1 |
i'm afraid to load the comments |
| 23:26 |
Duffer1 |
i can't even remember why i read the whole post.. |
| 23:26 |
kakobrekla |
u dont know alex jones?? |
| 23:27 |
Duffer1 |
think bat + shit + lsd |
| 23:27 |
truffles |
he lives in a cave |
| 23:27 |
pankkake |
the name rings a bell |
| 23:27 |
truffles |
he's got great energy though |
| 23:28 |
kakobrekla |
makes a good sandwitch with keiser |
| 23:28 |
kakobrekla |
er, sandwich |
| 23:28 |
truffles |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg |
| 23:28 |
ozbot |
Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan On Gun Control - CNN 1/7/2013 - YouTube |
| 23:28 |
truffles |
i like keiser too :D |
| 23:29 |
Duffer1 |
dear lord the fail |
| 23:29 |
Duffer1 |
it makes my soul hurt |
| 23:29 |
kakobrekla |
well keiser is funny sometimes but else meh |
| 23:29 |
kakobrekla |
alex is just retarded |
| 23:29 |
truffles |
no wai man |
| 23:29 |
Duffer1 |
a retard vs a british pundit talking about american gun control |
| 23:30 |
truffles |
alex delivers so many times |
| 23:30 |
kakobrekla |
yes that clip is a classic |
| 23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
best part about alex jones i discovered is that hes kinda flabby fat |
| 23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing funnier than a very excited conspiracy theorist that looks like a bank clerk |
| 23:30 |
kakobrekla |
flabby fat? |
| 23:30 |
truffles |
yea looks like he eats well |
| 23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
need somewhat of a el che look to pull off crazy in a cool way. |
| 23:30 |
kakobrekla |
he looks like he eats cocaine only |
| 23:31 |
kakobrekla |
oh sorry |
| 23:31 |
Duffer1 |
he looks so average american it's scary |
| 23:31 |
kakobrekla |
i thught you said the other guy |
| 23:31 |
truffles |
doesnt coke make u skinny though |
| 23:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 58 @ 0.31913788 = 18.51 BTC [+] {6} |
| 23:31 |
truffles |
3:00-3:11 is my fav of that clip |
| 23:32 |
kakobrekla |
yes, coke = keiser |
| 23:32 |
kakobrekla |
thats what i ment |
| 23:33 |
truffles |
how many great white sharks kill people etc lol |
| 23:33 |
truffles |
he shouldve been a comedian |
| 23:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00091144 = 5.7421 BTC [+] |
| 23:36 |
truffles |
i havent seen anyone just shut down piers like alex jones besides jessie ventura |
| 23:36 |
truffles |
he just bulldozers guests.. |
| 23:36 |
kakobrekla |
he says nothing of substane though |
| 23:36 |
kakobrekla |
substance |
| 23:37 |
truffles |
piers? |
| 23:37 |
kakobrekla |
its like a dog barking |
| 23:37 |
kakobrekla |
alex |
| 23:37 |
truffles |
hmmm |
| 23:37 |
Duffer1 |
piers was more like a dog presenting |
| 23:38 |
kakobrekla |
dog who barks doesnt bite |
| 23:38 |
kakobrekla |
which barks? |
| 23:38 |
kakobrekla |
dunno |
| 23:38 |
kakobrekla |
something like that |
| 23:38 |
kakobrekla |
could ba a who its a nigga dog |
| 23:38 |
kakobrekla |
or a doge dog |
| 23:39 |
truffles |
lol |
| 23:39 |
truffles |
u like that word "nigga" lol |
| 23:39 |
Duffer1 |
i like how he dismisses gang violence so casually |
| 23:39 |
Duffer1 |
very well done |
| 23:39 |
Duffer1 |
i mean really who cares about all them blacks killin eachother |
| 23:40 |
Duffer1 |
that's not "real" gun violence |
| 23:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00091144 = 12.0766 BTC [+] |
| 23:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 209 @ 0.0029989 = 0.6268 BTC [+] |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought most gangs were latino |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it's kinda funny to watch all the aggitation over the black minority from afar. there's about 50% more latino people in the us, nobody is all too excited about THEIR poor prospects and poor access |
| 23:45 |
truffles |
maybe the latino's are shooting the blacks? |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the blacks speak english at least. |
| 23:46 |
Duffer1 |
largest is white if you count our police forces |
| 23:47 |
Duffer1 |
the political discussion when it comes to latinos circles almost exclusively on immigration |
| 23:47 |
Duffer1 |
centers* |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
white is a solid 75% majority. |
| 23:48 |
mod6 |
the walls they build to keep out the mexicans will someday keep the fleeing americans out of mexico |
| 23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
the nature of walls. |
| 23:48 |
Duffer1 |
indeed |
| 23:48 |
ohider |
whats up |
| 23:50 |
ohider |
with EMF weapons who needs walls just tell people what/where to go |
| 23:54 |
ohider |
i have an idea that I want to get some feedback on |
| 23:54 |
truffles |
EMP? |
| 23:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC |
| 23:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.315 BTC [-] |
| 23:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3151 BTC [+] |
| 23:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00091144 = 7.565 BTC [+] |
| 23:59 |
twizt |
god damn |
| 23:59 |
twizt |
i set a password so hard on my nick |
| 23:59 |
twizt |
i forgot it |
| 23:59 |
truffles |
lol story of my life |
| 23:59 |
kakobrekla |
you can reset it afaik |