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10:42 phf 􏿽http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2025-10-16#1117201 << there was another turn of the wheel of samsara, and common lisp is not a thing anymore. oh sure some of the same people who were hacking on it a decade ago are still doing it, but the mid 2000s revival is over and d
10:42 phf 􏿽ead. so the problem of "windows gui" remains as unsolved as it ever was. your best bet, so as not to waste time on bullshit, is to purchase a hobbyist version of lispworks, for 350 or whatever it is, build a product, and then decide if it's worth to buy the 3k license to distribute
10:43 asciilifeform oh hey wb phf
10:43 phf hello, sir
10:44 asciilifeform phf: what've you been up to ?
10:44 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform -- experiments, but of yet nuffin worth publishing result of )
10:47 phf horses, daughter, learning apl
10:47 phf "Are you interested to know what the people round Tomis are like, and the customs of those I live among?"
10:48 * asciilifeform notes that sadly not only winblows gui unsolved, but gui per se
10:48 asciilifeform a neato
10:48 asciilifeform iirc trinque also had daughter recently
10:48 phf i feel like that's a second or third child in trinque's case?
10:49 asciilifeform not afaik but he's tuned in, will correct
10:50 asciilifeform can't resist to ask, why apl
10:50 asciilifeform (not that it aint interesting, but phf afaik is a practical fella, presumably baking sumthing concrete?)
10:54 phf i briefly worked with AW on shakti/k, doing bitch work of writing avx512 optimizations, that gave me the necessary push to learn the apl proper. it's more of an avocation, reading historic papers in my spare time
10:54 asciilifeform a.
10:55 phf there's an element of searching for that silver bullet? i mean i've been writing code for such a long time, after a while it's just all the same
10:56 phf you said at some point something that stuck with me, that we have a limited number of keystrokes, a kind of programmer's momento mori clock. APL is an attempt to stave of death, by making each keystroke carry as much information as possible :D
10:56 asciilifeform phf: ever experimented with logic design? it's afaik the one place where 'not same'
10:57 asciilifeform sorta similar to flavour of aplism, but minus the 'interface to idjit os' albatross
11:03 phf vaguely, on and off? it's my training. but i suppose with apl you can still extract useful function, where's logic design is purely tinkering
11:05 asciilifeform errything's pure tinkering when you haven't yet found concrete use, neh
11:09 * asciilifeform after escape from wageschwitz, eventually started again the 'build sane computer' thing, if lives long enuff, will publish. no illusions re whether who else still wants such a thing
11:10 phf i saw in the logs you're a man of leisure now!
11:11 asciilifeform quasi-leisure, lol, nobody cancelled greenspun's effect
11:11 asciilifeform 'hey asciilifeform , washingmachine needs a new mobo'
11:14 asciilifeform no horse, no servants (maybe if exchrate grows a new 0 after all, lol)
11:16 phf one way to solve this problem is of course to move somewhere cheap, and live cheaply. horse is much easier to have than an electrone microscope
11:16 phf but see also http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-10-18#1035256
11:17 * asciilifeform has a # of other things wants to do before 'exhausted keystrokes', in particular the uwb thing; but this'd require at least a little interest from other people, and thin since 'war over'
11:17 asciilifeform right
11:17 * asciilifeform will prolly move again eventually
11:21 phf i'm now officially a /professional/ trainer. bought horses who needed improvement, and sold them improved for profit! i could also work for a few days and make as much money, but if i really wanted to step off the carousel, this is an option.
11:22 phf something something honest living
11:22 asciilifeform horse trainers prolly live longer than chopper trainers (greenspun), wins
11:25 asciilifeform defo honest living
11:25 phf i don't know if that's a measure of life though. tiktok hikikomori, which seems like the default state of every single zoomer i know outside of where i live, probably lives a long time also
11:25 * asciilifeform regards pretty much anyffing not involving marinating in front of a comp as 'honest living'
11:26 asciilifeform we afaik dun know the mtbf of homo ticktockicus just yet
11:26 asciilifeform asciilifeform suspects -- short end
11:27 phf /me test
11:27 phf hmm, how does it work in my pest..
11:28 phf like wielding a sword of your days past, now grown unfamiliar!
11:29 asciilifeform phf: you're using own hand-sewn pestron still? or awt's
11:29 phf own
11:29 asciilifeform a
11:29 * asciilifeform promises to read if phf ever gets around to publishing subj
11:30 phf it's just one pest.lisp, you load it in lispworks, and it gives you a working gui
11:30 asciilifeform neato
11:30 phf i was thinking just that, re release, when i opened it. not that it's particularly remarkable, but might as well have it available to "others"
11:30 * asciilifeform has an ancient (not even warez as such, but paid for by old client) copy of lw sumwhere..
11:31 * phf foo
11:31 * phf needs to do time sensitive irl chores, brb
11:31 * asciilifeform also
11:32 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-10-18#1035299 << it also has stations hard coded, and since jonsykkel, lobes and dulapbot all remain stable, gives connection out of the box still
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