#ossasepia | 2020-07-12

!!up #ossasepia danuker

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danuker voiced for 30 minutes.

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e 11 :)

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atunci 11

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la ce-au folosit datele?

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am facut un top al liceelor mai recent; vreau sa fac o harta colorata

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analiza pe site-ul tau e doar din 2011

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foarte frumos; ai un sit ori lucrezi cu careva?

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am site, https://danuker.go.ro/

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eh, pai are ceva istoric, da

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dar nu e pus inca

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de vreme ce nu l-am nici terminat

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am aflat de ce nu folosesti HTTPS xD

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ha, si crypto, ce ai nimerit

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adica v-am nimerit pe voi?

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am cautat scraper de bac pe github

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intre timp cred ca or mai fi schimbat formatul ala de vreo 100 de ori

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eh; firma corupta

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danuker - da' hai sa trecem totusi pe iengleza ca mai citesc si altii bietii

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sure

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I found out what you do in #therealbitcoin

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ahahah

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after re-reading "reflections on trusting trust" I realized I can not find something not compiled with a C compiler

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danuker - here, have a read of some history there and the comments from those in #therealbitcoin

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thanks; I am paralyzed overflowing with information

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there's a deep rabbit... burrow, what hole, you found

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yeah, I can imagine; kind of trying to keep it to a minimum as it is

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!!key danuker

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Not registered.

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yeh; I think they deleted my account for not logging in in ages

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danuker - no, deedbot is nothing to do with chanserv/nickserv and the like

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there's more to read (a lot!) right there!

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oh, haha

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hand around and you'll get to it though, there's time now, too much time even

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danuker - do you mind saying how old are you?

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hang around, I meant

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I'm 28; why?

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danuker - mainly to get some idea as to what makes most sense to you

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and otherwise irc-able made me curious; apparently younger people never-heard-of-irc-omg

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yeh :( the facebook and messenger and twatter drones

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danuker - at any rate, trust and its issues makes for quite a solid root of things around here, so you'll probably find a lot of interesting things

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I think messenger and twatter are so last season already, it must be discord nao!

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and telegram or whatwasit

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well, you got one trustpoint from me for that grade list; and one for NOT using HTTPS?

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danuker - did you stumble upon the web of trust (WoT) yet?

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yes, but I did not learn how to use it yet

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i'll just keep the trust in my mind

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well, for starters you need an identity to at least be part of it; that atm means a RSA keypair & registering it with deedbot, hence my earlier !!key

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!!help

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http://deedbot.org/help.html

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as for the WoT, this is the canonical reference.

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I have to finish my map first; then I'll help you remove crud from BTC; though my C is very rusty

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haha, the official approved canonical WoT, eh?

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ahaha, no

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danuker - you'll trip over a LOT of things if you just take words to mean exactly what you found them to mean so far, you know?

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canonical reference for one thing has nothing to do with "approved wot" , lolz

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oh, I thought it was keys on that page

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it's the main source explaining *what the thing is*

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but it's teh technical manual

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well, reference, d'oh

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right

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not even that, lol!

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although thinking of trilema.com as a compendium of technical manuals makes me chuckle :))

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danuker - if you want the keys and to explore the wot, you want wot.deedbot.org

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but note that WoT as a concept is one thing, while *one particular implementation of it* is another

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thank you; I hope I can find the reference again, I am in over my head

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I have to put all the links in one place

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btw re cleaning btc code and the like - for one thing it's quite a tall order to start directly with it (and yes, trust has to do with this too!), for another, there's more than what #therealbitcoin pretends there is.

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there are other projects?

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danuker - this chan is logged, you can always find all of it later, see e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027771

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2020-07-12 10:10:49 (#ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - here, have a read of some history there and the comments from those in #therealbitcoin

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danuker - well, for starters, see jfw's , e.g. http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/build-system-overhaul-for-bitcoind/

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more links!

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danuker - what do you do other than highschool maps, if you don't mind saying?

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I was a web developer; but in the past few years I was not employed

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I worked on a project to do algorithmic trading

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heh, I was just typing "riding btc, eh?"

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on my own

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well, I hodled yes, and am still evaluating the system

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I am not positive it would make more money than lose yet :D

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my daily routine involves lots of youtube :(

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well, projects are around aplenty; fwiw, if you haven't found it yet, I'm cto for minigame and eulora (the game) has a lot of ~all sorts, just waiting for some intelligent people, really

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wow, I haven't seen it, but looks nice

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the game I mean

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so you have then the advantage that it's very, very easy to get all of a sudden way more productive - just ditch the stupid videos and read + write, it's way better for your mind

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danuker - if you manage to register a key with deedbot, I'll rate you and then you can simply !!up #ossasepia yourself so you can talk whenever you want to

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right on cue, deedbot, pfft

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!!up #ossasepia danuker

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danuker voiced for 30 minutes.

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=D will do, thanks!

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no problem; and just ask when/if you're stuck with anything, this is *meant* even as a learning place to start with.

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does Ossa Sepia mean something?

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(that being said, it's usually around 7pm UTC that I get around to answer but others might be around anyway)

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well, ossasepia does; ossa sepia also; lol, see from my About page

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and perhaps younghands.club too (just in case you were running out of links already!)

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xD thanks for the chat, data, and community

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no problem; enjoy!

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I'm sure I clicked on that link also at some point today

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is ASCII-armored a joke name for plaintext, or an encryption method?

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lol, neither

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in a nutshell, it's binary to text

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!!key danuker

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http://wot.deedbot.org/2888CDD3B497BA2C31B9CADF11E079C6CB0BE73B.asc

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oh hey, cool; well done, danuker!

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!!up #ossasepia danuker

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danuker voiced for 30 minutes.

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I'll get around sometime today to rate you.

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No hurry; I don't have much to say, nor do I expect any trust. For all you know, I could be a covert agent.

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lol, a covert agent of.... what exactly?

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the "subversion with words" shtick anyways does exactly 0

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!!v FA312C3C3E9FD093AB2CCDF9B3A164797E50EEF8221D651CB7E41FE101966602

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diana_coman rated danuker 1 << found his way around following the bac-data track; writes at danuker.go.ro

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danuker - there you go.

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why, thank you ^_^

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by the way, I find it perplexing that many parents in Romania use the entrance exam averages to judge high schools, instead of the "exit exam" (bac). You should not judge a school by demand, but by performance!

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http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/12/making-short-work-of-a-squirrels-winter-stores/ << Ossa Sepia -- Making Short Work of a Squirrel's Winter Stores

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danuker - heh, no idea why that might be? (perplexing is usually a good sign there's more to the thing than you notice yet)

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diana_coman, you are right, I must state in my article that what goes in matters also; and that I do not keep track of that

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I changed to a local IRC client and I had to re-up myself; does that only happen when changing network?

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also, I am worried about polluting the channel; I don't know what this channel likes

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hey danuker, i had a debate with an irl friend the other day about using / not using https, thought you may have been him. there's no list of likes, but good questions are well received

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cruciform: what ever happened to you? you seemed to join at a moment I was inactive here, so never got to say hi

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danuker - there's even more to that evaluating-based-on-what-goes-in that simply "well, obviously can't make silk purse out of sow's ear"; a whole cultural trip just in there, if you truly want to make it.

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re deedbot - you'll have to re-up whenever you reconnect, basically; think of it: how can deedbot know it's still "you" if you reconnect?

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whaack, I am not that friend of yours, sorry

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my position on HTTPS right now is to make it optional

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and I will configure my website soon

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danuker: I learned when I saw the romanian

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http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027867 - eh, for starters, don't worry - worry never helped anyone, ever; for follow up - don't worry about likes and in general about what the "outcome", focus instead of why and how as they are more important anyway; to follow up even further - basically what I'll bash on sight is

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militant ignorance and stubborn idiocy, that's about it.

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2020-07-12 18:21:00 (#ossasepia) danuker: also, I am worried about polluting the channel; I don't know what this channel likes

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jfw: ack re .mode insert, ty

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jfw, btw here's your previous question about why and how "curiosity" seems to come and go in fact answered plainly recently.

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2020-02-15 15:38:49 (#ossasepia) jfw: I mean that I'm not too aware of when or why that kind of motivation comes or goes, or how to make it more useful for me

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2020-07-02 22:27:02 (#ossasepia) diana_coman: worth perhaps noting also that absent any other ways to commit to one or another piece of work, what gets done or not (and in a more general sense, not specifically about trb now) is always decided simply by perceived cost-of-improvement vs pain-of-current-state, there isn't much else left.

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not as much about curiosity, after all.

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http://trilema.com/2020/minigame-smg-statement-on-q2-2020/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG) Statement on Q2 2020

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http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/12/eulora-logs-for-Jul-2020/ << Ossa Sepia -- #eulora Logs for Jul 2020

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