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| 15:10 |
diana_coman |
http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027559 - yeah, but it's not as much the recipe's fault really, it's more of the underlying mess and lack of sane alternative. |
| 15:10 |
sonofawitch |
2020-07-01 23:02:51 (#ossasepia) dorion: jfw thanks. yeah, I was going for more of a recipe and for sure it'd be a big pain to type out. |
| 15:12 |
diana_coman |
http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027565 - you know, all those are good but the trouble made plain there is essentially that current trb requires some level of desperation/insanity/passion-in-the-religious-sense to deploy, pretty much. |
| 15:12 |
sonofawitch |
2020-07-01 23:23:38 (#ossasepia) jfw: I've indeed tended to use ~/bin before so this is probably a needn't-have-been-problem you've picked up from me; basically I'm making efforts here to cut down on unnecessary optionality. |
| 15:21 |
jfw |
diana_coman: I'm not sure that's just in the deployment either; e.g. the still unhealed miner/node externality |
| 15:22 |
diana_coman |
jfw - ah, certainly; the deployment is just the surface/first-contact part, sure. |
| 15:23 |
diana_coman |
and a consequence in the end. |
| 15:26 |
jfw |
I suppose the question is whether in the end it demands less insanity and works better than what they call bank accounts these days |
| 15:32 |
diana_coman |
for that matter and to add layers of either sadness of laughter to it all, there isn't even any discernible purpose or intention, only side effects. |
| 15:33 |
diana_coman |
jfw - eh, only different insanity and one that tends to be more familiar for most; but comparing levels of insanity is not all that meaningful, you know? |
| 15:33 |
diana_coman |
(the above re bank accounts) |
| 15:35 |
jfw |
diana_coman: purpose/intention in what? |
| 15:35 |
diana_coman |
jfw - in that requirement of passion. |
| 15:36 |
diana_coman |
ie it's not that anyone set on purpose to make it painful; nevertheless (and predictably once looking at it properly), that's how it ends up. |
| 15:40 |
diana_coman |
anyway, in more practical considerations, there's no reason why it has to remain as insane as that forever and ever or something. |
| 15:40 |
jfw |
certainly. |
| 15:42 |
jfw |
I see what you're saying now about making it painful but don't yet have the vantage point where it's predictable. |
| 15:48 |
diana_coman |
well, that's the top of a whole forest so maybe another time; but look at the simple fact that the moment the whole thing is exposed worse-than-usual, the first reaction is to "fix" ... the person exposing it, not the thing. |
| 15:50 |
diana_coman |
this is btw exactly why I was saying that dorion's gbw article is quite an interesting read - exactly because it's not written by the usual too-familiar-with-the-madness-to-find-an-easier-way-around-it. |
| 15:50 |
sonofawitch |
2020-07-01 21:08:02 (#ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion - your gbw article is quite an interesting read actually, as it covers a lot of ground and as a side effect, all sorts of tangles and weirds-if-coming-at-them-fresh pop all the clearer into view, hm. |
| 15:53 |
diana_coman |
hm, that should be clearer perhaps as too familiar with it to go a longer/harder route. |
| 15:55 |
jfw |
on the surface those read as opposites, but I take your meaning as: too familiar with the trails through the forest to bother clearing & paving a road |
| 15:56 |
diana_coman |
too familiar to *not* find an easier route; apparently I lost the "not" in there, but it's long anyway. |
| 16:00 |
diana_coman |
http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027592 - almost; a bit worse in that it's more like too familiar with dodging poisonous darts at each step to even pay much attention to all the crazy moves (sure, also doing as a result of familiarity the best moves there, most effective etc;) |
| 16:00 |
sonofawitch |
2020-07-02 21:55:37 (#ossasepia) jfw: on the surface those read as opposites, but I take your meaning as: too familiar with the trails through the forest to bother clearing & paving a road |
| 16:02 |
diana_coman |
in the end the difference is simply "this is insane and has to change" vs "this is unfortunate/not pleasant but inevitable" |
| 16:06 |
jfw |
are you saying dorion had that first perspective while I had the second, or what? because I'm not seeing that at all |
| 16:08 |
diana_coman |
jfw - no, I'm saying that dorion's article is more useful to give one that first perspective. |
| 16:09 |
jfw |
ah ok, indeed. |
| 16:11 |
diana_coman |
what perspective each person has is up to them in the end; I don't have any need to highlight other people's perspectives on this now, lol. |
| 16:12 |
jfw |
I'd say I was in between - not "unfortunate but inevitable" but that there's a cost to improving it which I didn't see as a high priority, while the article's perhaps pushing me in that direction. |
| 16:13 |
diana_coman |
I can see it. |
| 16:27 |
diana_coman |
worth perhaps noting also that absent any other ways to commit to one or another piece of work, what gets done or not (and in a more general sense, not specifically about trb now) is always decided simply by perceived cost-of-improvement vs pain-of-current-state, there isn't much else left. |
| 16:27 |
diana_coman |
even decided and then re-decided, as the balance shifts, of course. |
| 16:32 |
jfw |
yep, and that got a chuckle from me. |
| 16:34 |
diana_coman |
heh, glad to hear it did! |