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01:19 BingoBoingo [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-16#1021916] Apologies. I did an experiment and found connecting Putas and Punters they way I thought a newspaper could isn't going to work. I got a hotel room in the tourist part of town for two nights, loaded up what would have been the competition, and tried to hire one of the independent girls advertising themselves as available for hotels.
01:19 ossabot Logged on 2020-03-16 16:16:39 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-16#1021894 - what is this exactly? you know, don't do "some X" - if you take the time to say it, then say something more concrete at least
01:19 BingoBoingo Nothing weird, "I'm at X hotel". There were numerous insane transportation arrangements that didn't work, a few committments to meet followed by flaking, and the nail in the coffin was a girl that didn't believe there could be a foreigner in a hotel in Pocitos that would be interested in ordering her services the way someone orders food delivered. "Las chicas, nos cuida mucho"
01:20 BingoBoingo On a platform where the girls pay to advertise, one almost made it before cancelling because her plans for travellin 5km fell apart as the one taxi or Uber but not through Uber she was determined to secure didn't work out. ~50 percent advertised their location as "Tres Cruces", which has the bus terminal and is the hub for travel inside Uruguay.
01:20 BingoBoingo Sex may sell, but it won't do delivery.
01:22 BingoBoingo The web thing actually, for it's part worked. Or appeared to work.
01:29 BingoBoingo And so one point from the napkin sketching can be eliminated from cause.
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03:25 jfw missed my "I'll finish the review tomorrow" already; now thinking better to reschedule for Tuesday than to further mess up sleep trying to finish right now. and I could have decided that earlier too.
03:30 dorion maybe you will get that saturday review afterall jfw, lol.
03:31 diana_coman ahahah, dorion has a point!
03:32 * dorion will take that high note to sleep and be back later today.
03:33 diana_coman laters!
03:40 diana_coman BingoBoingo: and that would have made - even as written in here, no need to fuss over it and polish it for hours - a great blog post too!
03:41 diana_coman (not that it can't still make one)
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11:53 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Ty, It'll find its way into a blogging. Seeing how over-reliance on thinking to solve problems is a problem in itself, I locked myself into a "don't think do" chant until the answer came clear.
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14:29 feedbot http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/17/shape-up-yer-polygons-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- Shape Up Yer Polygons, Eulora!
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15:04 dorion diana_coman, jfw, here's what I have so far for the jwrd sales article : http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=RrLV
15:04 * jfw looks
15:05 dorion there's still a lot to write, but that's where I'm at and the direction I plan to go.
15:09 diana_coman dorion: meant to ask actually - are those high net worth smart etc individuals really in Panama?
15:10 diana_coman and I admit I have quite the trouble imagining one of those reading you *before* he knows who you are, huh.
15:13 diana_coman dorion, jfw would you class your clients so far in that category?
15:13 dorion diana_coman there are those people here. it is a club I have some relationships. I'm not pretending it's not an uphill battle, but think it's wortht he try.
15:14 dorion diana_coman clients so far are young investors that retired from trading smart and now know they need to protect what they have.
15:14 dorion they came to panama for tax reasons.
15:15 diana_coman dorion: mhm; "investors" as in they got to get some btc and so far keep it, isn't it?
15:16 dorion diana_coman moreso, yeah.
15:16 jfw I don't know the net worth really but they also invest in companies and have some people on payroll.
15:17 diana_coman jfw: yeah, well, I'm sure they do.
15:17 dorion jfw those investments haven't paid off so far and not clear at all atm that they will.
15:18 diana_coman heh; what dorion says and at the root of that it's the fact that I can just about imagine the sort of investment and decision-making behind it.
15:19 diana_coman nothing wrong with helping them or targeting them, of course
15:19 diana_coman just hm, there are some choices you make and I'm not even sure you fully realise you are making them
15:21 diana_coman re title, both versions sound a bit long to me, but I prefer the first (or maybe even directly from "protect what ..."); details though.
15:24 diana_coman dorion: why not going directly for a clear, concise and with-examples/projections/all thing? ie why all the telling-of-the-things-you-say-you-know-they-know? in a nutshell, the trouble that I see with your approach there is that it's so standard & geared to exactly the "investors", that if ever an actual investor sees it, he brands you as "security"
15:25 jfw yeah, but he generously permits you to say what you really think in a comment or email!
15:26 diana_coman you *have done* things and you are doing things, so why not say what you did and talk of what you are doing ?
15:26 jfw 'system' and 'environment' seem to be used in a technical sense that might not be clear in context
15:26 diana_coman jfw: ahaha, you are clearly feeling better than yesterday :P
15:27 dorion diana_coman the idea is to establish who I'm writing to and why they should care.
15:27 diana_coman dorion: this being said, nothing stops you I suppose from printing that sort of material and giving it to specific-known-"investors" if you think it's what they need to read in order to move but mhm.
15:28 diana_coman dorion: you establish who you are writing to for yourself; let the reader establish himself if what you say is of interest for him or not,
15:29 diana_coman do realise that anyway, saying "I'm writing for those with 2 heads and 3 brains" does not *do* anything as such.
15:29 dorion diana_coman ok. it is a projection, which will be clear to who I do want to reach anyway.
15:30 dorion and perhaps a reason to close the tab.
15:31 diana_coman I know it flies in the face of ~all "sales training and practice etc" and believe me that I recognize in there the usual pattern, not like I don't know it; but further ask yourself, even if you ignore everything above, just this simple thing - how exactly are you supposed to stand out while ...following the very pattern, you know?
15:32 dorion diana_coman right. the pattern following tactic may work for people selling to established patterns. we have, in many ways, a pattern breaking service.
15:33 diana_coman dorion: what you want is to talk the *language* of those you want to reach; that's way more fundamental than the usual approach of "and now I'll tell you who you are so you know and continue reading"
15:33 dorion or pattern replacing at least.
15:34 diana_coman dorion: and as a rule, if your business does not do anything *better* ie by necessity different in at least some way that matters, why are you doing it in the first place, it's more of a fashion then than a business.
15:35 diana_coman this being said, again, if face to face you found out that for those "investors" you need to tell them what they supposedly know they know etc, do tell them, sure; face to face you can adjust precisely to who is in front of you, after all; (but hm, do think also if it's worth it anyway; still.)
15:38 dorion diana_coman all very good points. adjustments to make :
15:38 diana_coman anyway, getting back to the main point: if you aim to write for martians, you'll write *in martian*, not in usual English except with an intro paragraph "if you are a martian, then this is for you"
15:40 dorion 1) cut out the assumptions at the beginning, 2) start with what we've done, 3) then the benefits of the service, i.e. what we do better, 4) then proceed from the testimonials down.
15:40 diana_coman dorion: sounds like a plan
15:44 jfw I'm recalling advice from the "investor" crowd of "start with Why". Which makes sense to me, as it's what motivates us; we didn't pick what to build at random
15:46 diana_coman jfw: sure,that means start with the problem you are solving, yes; but the actual problem, not a reader's profile
15:46 jfw ah, no I didn't mean the existing draft does that.
15:46 diana_coman the problem statement IS part of the "what we've done", anyway.
15:59 dorion diana_coman thanks. no more questions come to mind at present. I'll proceed with the plan unless you are jfw have any more points/questions atm. goal is to have the draft done tonight.
16:02 jfw dorion: I had some smaller points but thinking best to see what comes out of the larger rework first.
16:03 diana_coman dorion: I am certainly not jfw! lolz; but no, nothing further than I can see - I mean, I already tore apart your ~whole current draft, so I'm done.
16:03 diana_coman that*
16:04 jfw there is nothing further than diana_coman can see!
16:04 dorion thanks for the tearing, back to sowing machine.
16:04 diana_coman jfw: ahaha, might be the glasses!
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